Imagine the aftermath of a Romney loss in Michigan
If Mitt Romney loses Michigan tonight — and the polls say that’s possible — you’re gonna see some stuff happen. The Republican Party is gonna look like the scene in “Titanic” when people finally begin to understand: This unsinkable sucker could really go down.
The band warms up the crowd for Mitt Romney's Michigan concession speech?
Such a defeat would not end Romney’s campaign — he has too many resources and too much organization to simply sink beneath the waters. But a loss in his native state would confirm to many of his fellow Republicans that an alternative must be found, and quickly. For Romney, the setback would be significant because it would damage the single most important asset that he possesses, which is credibility. Mr. Inevitable would look more and more like Mr. Inevitable Loser.
But what alternatives do the Republicans have? Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are far more problematic than Romney. I’m beginning to hear strange noises out of Florida, as if Jeb Bush were starting to stir a bit, but that’s still a longshot. On the other hand, if Romney loses Michigan, those noises may increase in volume pretty quickly.
Truthfully, though, it’s still hard to envision the mechanism by which a late entry seizes control of the race. Those who have been campaigning all along aren’t going to meekly set aside their ambitions and allow some white knight to ride in and seize the prize.
And should Romney win in Michigan? Victory won’t do a lot for him, because it’s a state that he’s supposed to win pretty handily, against a set of opponents whom he ought to thrash. In college basketball terms, you don’t get many RPI points for beating weak opponents on your home court. A Romney win in Michigan, twinned with an expected win in Arizona, would merely extend the party’s current unsettled state of affairs.
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:39 am
I think a better question would be – what if he DOES win, but it’s only a single-digit margin … and if that margin is squeaky close …
that doesn’t exactly engender a whole lotta faith, either
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:41 am
of course, the “blame the dems” band is already cranking up downstairs … so, even if he loses, he wins with allegations of dem tampering
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
8:41 am
Gonna be an interesting night on the news shows…
southdem
February 28th, 2012
8:42 am
Jeb Bush??? What is with the fascination with this family of untalented mediocrities? Oh, its the GOP, forget I asked.
I figured it out
February 28th, 2012
8:43 am
Meanwhile, across the hall, Wingdield is grasping at straws. Articles on traffic and Dems wanting but not wanting ACA. What’s up with that?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:44 am
It’ll mean there are lots of meddlesome Democrats in Michigan. That’s what it will mean.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
8:46 am
Jm,
How are the gas prices looking today?
Who Will Win?
February 28th, 2012
8:46 am
Jay says….
If Romney loses Michigan, those noises may increase in volume pretty quickly….
What about if Newt loses Georgia? Will we hear the same noises? This Republican parade of candidates has got to be the most fascinating show on earth!!
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:46 am
I’m curious as to how the vote will be counted.
Like the Iowa caucus perhaps?
Will they leave entire counties out of the totals?
Will we see Republican Primary
voting and counting “irregularites” again?
If Mitt wins can we be sure he really won?
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:47 am
bahahahahaha … and there’s Jm – 8:44 – right on cue …
thanks for illustrating my 8:41 (or, at least, stepping up to be the first to do so)
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:48 am
“This Republican parade of candidates has got to be the most fascinating show on earth!!”
http://www.forexlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/clown-car.png
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:48 am
No one else is getting in the race. The powers that be are going too watch this play out and recognize if santorum wins the primary battle, then they have virtually no chance of winning. Santorum will get crushed because he has no fundraising ability for the general.
Top Republicans will let conservatives wake up to what they’ve done if mitt loses, prepare ardently for 2016, and focus on winning the senate.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:49 am
Meddling again?
You mean the meddling invited by conservatives?
An Operation like that could cause chaos….
mmmm operation… chaos…sounds familiar
Who Will Win?
February 28th, 2012
8:49 am
USinUK@8:48 too funny!!
carlosgvv
February 28th, 2012
8:50 am
George W. Bush will probably go down in history as our worst President. When he left office, the chances another Bush would run were about zero. It’s a sign of just how bad the Republican Party has become when Jeb Bush starts to look good. Actually, I still think Chris Christie is their best bet.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Steve USA – How are the gas prices looking today?
They’ll probably go higher if the Keystone is built. Gotta love Free Trade!
“TransCanada Corp. estimates the pipeline would boost sales of Canadian-produced crude by $2 billion to $4 billion a year, according to an assessment submitted to Canada’s National Energy Board.
“The prices for those crudes in North Dakota and Canada will fetch closer to Gulf Coast prices, which are tied into the higher international market price,” said Tim Hess, an Energy Department analyst.
The reason is fairly simple. Even at maximum capacity, the Keystone line will move some 400,000 barrels per day of crude from Canada and the Midwest to global oil market. With the transportation discount removed, those barrels likely will be repriced to the higher global benchmark. “
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Steve USA higher! As Obama likes! Fact.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:51 am
If Romney loses Michigan, I predict Newt will call for Romney and Santorum to end their campaigns.
If Romney wins Michigan, I predict Newt will call for Romney and Santorum to end their campaigns.
_________________________________________________________________________________
Seriously, Republicans don’t need a new candidate.
They need a new base.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:51 am
“Top Republicans will let conservatives wake up to what they’ve done”
meh – Top republicans need to wake up to what THEY’VE done by courting the religious right.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
8:51 am
USinUK – Didn’t take long for your prediction to come true. 3 minutes, could possibly be a new record.
Jay
February 28th, 2012
8:52 am
As to complaints about Democrats crossing over to vote for Santorum, Romney has no grounds on which to complain, since he has bragged a while back about doing the same himself:
Republican presidential candididate Mitt Romney offered a new explanation today for why he supported a Democrat in 1992.
That year, Romney, then a registered independent, voted for former Sen. Paul Tsongas in the 1992 Democratic presidential primary. He told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos, in an interview that will air Sunday on “This Week,” that his vote was meant as a tactical maneuver aimed at finding the weakest opponent for incumbent President George H.W. Bush.
“In Massachusetts, if you register as an independent, you can vote in either the Republican or Democratic primary,” said Romney, who until he made an unsuccessful run for Senate in 1994 had spent his adult life as a registered independent. “When there was no real contest in the Republican primary, I’d vote in the Democrat primary, vote for the person who I thought would be the weakest opponent for the Republican.”
Personally, I suspect that’s a story fabricated to give Romney cover for voting in the Dem primary. But he’s on the record as supporting and even participating in the practice, so grumbling about it now is — shocker alert!! — hypocritical.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:52 am
Jm -”higher! As Obama likes! Fact.
higher! As the free market dictates! Fact.:)
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
8:52 am
It’ll mean there are lots of meddlesome Democrats in Michigan. That’s what it will mean.
USinner
I’d say the band’s fired up!!! It took 3 minutes…
Newt has Georgia on his mind....
February 28th, 2012
8:52 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM
Jay
February 28th, 2012
8:53 am
And Paul, that’s exactly right.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:54 am
Butch admits again that what the president decides impacts oil prices
Butch is proving liberals wrong
Good job Butch
ty webb
February 28th, 2012
8:54 am
Synopsis: democrat blogger thinks Mitt has to win Michigan, but, if he wins Michigan, it’s not really that big of a deal.
I’m just glad Jay’s has a new blog up today. I thought he’d be out of contention after shooting his wad with that tome to Obama yesterday.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:56 am
The Dems are tampering again? Say it aint so. The same party that gave us the 1960 election?
So are the Dems simply encouraging Dems to vote in the Repub primary? Or are they up to their usual tricks of picking up homeless folks, plying them with cigs, beer, and $5 and driving them to polling stations to vote?
Adam
February 28th, 2012
8:56 am
Meddlesome Democrats?
“And I would have gotten away with it too if it hadn’t been for you MEDDLESOME DEMOCRATS!”
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:57 am
Jm – “Butch admits again that what the president decides impacts oil prices”
Jm admits that the Keystone XL would not lower the price of gas despite his many previous positngs that it should be built and that Obama is a loser for not doing so. And that Republicans are for the nationalizing of the oil industry in order to control the free market.
Good job Jm!
Jay
February 28th, 2012
8:57 am
Ty, you’re welcome to explain how that analysis is wrong in any way. Go ahead, try it.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
8:58 am
USinUK – Why did you have to give them that idea? I mean, we might have been able to have a nice conversation except they’ve already high jacked the blog with nonsense.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
8:58 am
Thulsa: Or are they up to their usual tricks of picking up homeless folks, plying them with cigs, beer, and $5 and driving them to polling stations to vote?
Prove it.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
8:59 am
prepare ardently for 2016
Yeah, just skip over 2014, please.
Talking Head
February 28th, 2012
8:59 am
I think you’ve gone a little over the top with the Titanic analogy, Jay. Let’s wait and see what the counts look like after Super Tuesday next week before we start to talk about the end of the Republican Party.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:59 am
“George W. Bush will probably go down in history as our worst President”
Carlosgvv,
Thank God you just woke up from that coma that you’ve been in for the last 3 years. You woke up to a pretty bad situation with the debtload greater, paltry economic growth, and unemployment substantially worse than under W. And when they drive you away from the hospital take notice of the gas prices also.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
8:59 am
Mitt needs more practise at this skill…
http://animalcapshunz.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/02/24/funny-animal-captions-getting-my-ducks-in-a-row/
Jay
February 28th, 2012
9:01 am
Talking, the Titanic analogy applies to the Romney campaign, not necessarily the GOP.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
9:01 am
ok, get this outta the way – gas prices are at $2 fitty…oh wait they’re not
thanks to Republican-protected speculation in da freeee freedum market
man. AM radio wore that talky point out yesterday.
the only question is, Who will it be in the broken convention?
I think this is their plan all along. They’ve tried to sell Rmoney to
the snakehandlers for 7 years now, and ching-No Sale. And a 2 month
candidacy with hopefully no time for Obama the Black Mammmmba
to attack – is their only hope.
Who will it beeee?
Ennis
February 28th, 2012
9:02 am
If Romney loses today…. We don’t need to wait for November. Just give the gavel to the Muslim and be done with it.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
9:02 am
Seriously folks…
No, really. Isn’t it true that the Democrats can vote in Michigan today? Won’t that skew the vote?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
9:02 am
Anyone stay up for the whole race?
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:02 am
Thulsa Doom – “And when they drive you away from the hospital take notice of the gas prices also.”
Yes, please take notice of the higher gas prices if the Republican backed Keystone XL pipeline ever becomes a reality. Or, you may get lucky and the Republican dream of a nationalized oil industry becomes a reality in their attempt to socialize free trade.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
9:03 am
Just give the gavel to the Muslim and be done with it.
Well said! Bravo
Normal
February 28th, 2012
9:03 am
Ennis, get outtis… Muslim, indeed…what a hoot!
Mick
February 28th, 2012
9:03 am
doom
You can try to give the previous guy a pass all you want but he set the table for the disaster that is today’s economy. No matter who followed him – it was going to take a lot of digging out. In fact, if it took eight years to create this mess, it will take just as ling to fix. As for any more bushes in the white house….Never again…
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:04 am
Ennis: If Romney loses today…. We don’t need to wait for November. Just give the gavel to the Muslim and be done with it.
So let me get this right:
1) Romney losing would mean a guaranteed loss for the GOP in 2012
2) The President gets a gavel in November OR
3) Boehner is a Muslim
Do I have that about right?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:05 am
Usinuk predicting a discussion that was already occurring is as spectacular as someone predicting the sun will rise in the morning
Amazing job usinuk
What’s the gas price now?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
9:06 am
A land of 300 million people and these 4 guys are the best the Republican voters can come up with?
mwuahahahahahahahahahaha
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:07 am
At least no one can accuse Ennis of being an educated snob. Who needs to know things like who gets the gavel and whether or not there is a religious test for office? Just take Fox, Rush, Drudge’s word for what the Constitution says and everything will be FINE.
Guy Incognito
February 28th, 2012
9:07 am
Doomy
lol
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:07 am
(ir) – “Why did you have to give them that idea? I mean, we might have been able to have a nice conversation except they’ve already high jacked the blog with nonsense.”
meh – they were already warmed up from downstairs – it was just a matter of time.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
9:07 am
Jay, what’s your take on the USA Today poll showing a majority of swing state voters oppose Obamacare? If they vote that way, Obama is in trouble regardless of the Repub nominee.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
9:07 am
Adam, disprove it.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:07 am
Israel is helping protect America better than Obama
Thanks Israel. Israel will attack Iran before the end of the year. Chew on that prediction.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:09 am
USinUK – I have to say, one day it would be nice if there could be a good conversation held here without a bunch of nonsense. It would be even more amazing if we could hold a fact based conversation with everyone willing to back up their arguments with something more than conjecture. I’m probably dreaming too much though aren’t I?
bman
February 28th, 2012
9:10 am
“New orders for U.S. manufactured goods fell in January by the most in three years as demand fell across the board from machinery to aircraft, suggesting the economy started the year on weaker footing than expected. Economists had forecast orders falling 1.0 percent.”
You gotta love those expert economists…
Norma
February 28th, 2012
9:10 am
Jeb Bush is ready for his closeup now, Mr. DeMille.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:11 am
Doom
The unions are doing GOTV for santorum
Perhaps more surprising is Santorum asking democrats to come vote for him
Pathetic is what santorum is
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:11 am
Thulsa: Adam, disprove it.
Shifting the burden of proof means you have conceded the argument.
Jay
February 28th, 2012
9:11 am
JohnnyReb, if the nominee is Romney, he cannot make the argument against ObamaCare. I mean, this is the man who insisted that his official portrait as governor of Massachusetts include a copy of his health-insurance reform plan. He cannot credibly turn around and condemn Obama for following his example.
Ennis
February 28th, 2012
9:12 am
It means that the GOP loses. The White House will remain the home address of BHO. and the repubs will have to figure out how to make their message resonate with middle class America. Hoot and Holler all you want, I personally think BHO is a Muslim in his heart. He doesn’t salute the Flag. He stands in front of a curtin filled with Muslim symbols and sayings when he addresses the public. If it walks and clucks like a duck
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:13 am
“It would be even more amazing if we could hold a fact based conversation with everyone willing to back up their arguments with something more than conjecture. I’m probably dreaming too much though aren’t I?”
to dreeeeaaaaaaaammmmmmm the impossible dreeeeeaaaaaammmmmm …
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:13 am
Also, good job, Thulsa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
Congratulations on being ignorant on purpose. I accept your surrender.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:14 am
JohnnyReb – If they vote that way and the Republican nominee is Santorum, we’re all in trouble. Or rather, more trouble than we’re already in.
Mick
February 28th, 2012
9:14 am
ennis
Muslim, kenyan, socialist my my….does this garbage ever end???????
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:14 am
Jm – “What’s the gas price now?”
Why don’t you check the market and find out? Or, are you waiting for your Republican overlords to seize control of the industry?
Vote Republican=Free gas for everyone!
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:15 am
bman … interesting editing you’ve got there …
“The expiration at the end of 2011 of a tax incentive allowing full depreciation on equipment purchases may have prompted a slowdown in investment at the start of this year. At the same time, a strengthening auto industry may help keep factories at the forefront of the expansion that began in June 2009. ”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-28/durable-goods-orders-in-u-s-drop-4-marking-worst-decline-in-three-years.html
Aquagirl
February 28th, 2012
9:15 am
He stands in front of a curtin filled with Muslim symbols and sayings when he addresses the public.
Whoooo-weeeee—what crazycakes forwarded e-mail is THAT from?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:15 am
“a fact based conversation”
Liberals abandoned that long ago.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:15 am
Ennis: What about the gavel? Still think that’s the President’s to have when he takes office? Or maybe you meant he gets keys to the gas lever.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
9:15 am
“You can try to give the previous guy a pass all you want but he set the table for the disaster that is today’s economy.”
The dreaded blame W card gets played. It was inevitable I suspect.
“No matter who followed him – it was going to take a lot of digging out.”
Blame W redux card.
“In fact, if it took eight years to create this mess, it will take just as ling to fix”
Blame W card with a dash or revisionist history thrown in. Folks keep forgetting that for the middle years of the W presidency we had moderate economic growth, low unemployment, etc. The recession didn’t hit until late 2007. But don’t let the facts get in the way of revisionist history.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
9:15 am
got to the office at 9 today……
’cause I early voted for lil Ricky hahahaha
never saw so many Obama bumperstickers. hahaha
my work is done – now les go surfin’
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
9:16 am
Anyone stay up for the whole race?
Not me, I gave up after Montoya did his tribute to Fireball Roberts.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:16 am
Jm – Exactly how is provoking an unnecessary war in the Middle East protecting America? I don’t think Israel cares about us except whether we’ll join them if they get in over their heads. They care about themselves and what is best for them (as they should), which is what the US should care about. Please explain that one to me though.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:16 am
Butch: “Romney’s gonna buy me a brand new Escalaaaade!”
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:17 am
Butch’s rants have become completely unhinged
Poor guy
Ennis
February 28th, 2012
9:18 am
I used the gavel as a symbol of control. Just about every govment hearing, meeting, etc has a person with a gavel to control. Just a symbol. Ah, u rite about being uneducated, Went to Colorado State University, which is (I’M guessing here) not a school in the SEC.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:18 am
Bro – My TV was tuned in to Fox and I just happened to finish one show on DVR right before that happened. I have to question how come he was riding so close that he hit the service truck during a caution lap. Is that something that happens frequently? Yeah, I know, surprising, a redneck from the country that has never watched NASCAR.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:18 am
“Cross our hearts and hope to die, we believe in lower gas prices. Just hand over the White House to us. We will do oil markets better and it won’t cost ANYBODY – ANYTHING!”
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
9:18 am
I’m probably dreaming too much though aren’t I?
Yep.
jconservative
February 28th, 2012
9:19 am
“Top Republicans will let conservatives wake up to what they’ve done if mitt loses, prepare ardently for 2016, and focus on winning the senate.”
I agree with Jm on this.
What I have never understood is why any party would allow people in the other party to vote in their primary. To me that is just dumb. Better a convention or caucus.
Remember Bo Callaway and Lester Maddox? That was a real lesson in how to out smart yourself.
And. It appears that Republicans are determined to keep Obama in the White House, apparently believing that is better than 8 years of Romney in the White House.
What’s the word? P-U-R-I-T-Y.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
9:19 am
Adam,
Here’s my white flag of surrender. If you want to beat up on me some more I’ll be in Detroit as a paid adviser to O passing out beer and lotto tickets for voters willing to push the S button for Santorum.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=white+flag+of+surrender+pictures&view=detail&id=C66AB85E666BD93C30D220D7A5BEEF2B8F606D4C&first=0&qpvt=white+flag+of+surrender+pictures&FORM=IDFRIR
bman
February 28th, 2012
9:19 am
USinUK .. .. I didn’t edit anything. I just didn’t want to take up an entire page. However, the link you just posted is the news injected with opinions, not facts.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46554315
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
9:20 am
Butch – Vote Republican=Free gas for everyone!
No I think that was Democrats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36×8rTb3jI
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:20 am
“Vote Republican=Free gas for everyone!”
Because Anything Else is Sociamalism!
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
9:20 am
(ir)Rational
Nah. He was riding along the yellow line, and something in his car broke. He lost control and slid into the truck. I’m guessing it was something in his drivetrain that snapped because he was reporting a vibration in every gear right before that accident.
Mick
February 28th, 2012
9:20 am
doom
Bury your head in the sand, the real estate collapse, the result of the ownership society and regulators looking the other way is the problem. Why is the middle class in tatters? They are all broke from equity lines, flipping real estate. You conveniently overlook all that as if it didn’t matter. Bush was handed a surplus, squandered it, eviscerated it and left the next guy a big pile of elephant dung. That’s not playing a card, that’s reality…you are in favor of historical amnesia, no friggin way…
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Jay, I understand your point on Romney if all things were equal. However, Romney is promising to repeal Obamacare. Everyone knows Obama will not.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Jm – Just what verifiable facts have you brought to the table this morning?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Irrational
You falsely assume it is unnecessary
A non-nuclear Iran will make the US safer too
Thank heavens for Israel, because it’s 3am and Obama has no effing idea what to do.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Ennis: Went to Colorado State University, which is (I’M guessing here) not a school in the SEC.
You went to college? You SNOB
Seriously though your original statement is full of nonsense. The President isn’t a Muslim (not that it should matter considering policy making from an executive level has never been about Christian, Muslim, Atheist, or any other religious values), and the legislative branch gets the gavel, not the President. I also happen to think no matter who gets the nomination, they will lose to a sitting President with foreign policy success, several supported initiatives that he then signed into law, and calm resolve.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Those D voters that rely on social programs. Well they just loves themselves some high gas prices. And you know the Rs gotta be loving it too.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Bro – That makes better sense. I was just captivated by the fireball. And a little jealous, cause while I’ve caused big fires, I’ve never had one blow like that. Gives me something to shoot for.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:22 am
Thulsa Doom – Folks keep forgetting that for the middle years of the W presidency we had moderate economic growth, low unemployment, etc.”
They are equally forgetful of the fact that much of the economic growth during that period was based on a hyper inflated credit market driven by shoddy lending practices and people using their homes as ATM’s thereby creating an unsustainable housing bubble which later imploded nearly destroying the world economy. And as for the low unemployment rate, would you care to show us how many jobs, i.e. construction workers, lending agents, real estate brokers, underwriters, mortgage sales, closing attorneys, etc…… at that time were tied to the aforementiond housing bubble?
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:23 am
Thulsa: If you want to beat up on me some more I’ll be in Detroit as a paid adviser to O passing out beer and lotto tickets for voters willing to push the S button for Santorum.
Pics or it didn’t happen
Midori
February 28th, 2012
9:23 am
I’d like to say that “crossing over” is just plain wrong.
It’s was wrong when Republicans did it, and it’s wrong if Democrats do it.
And you guys are right about the last pResident. A complete and utter imbecile. And yet some continue to work so furiously hard to ignore and deflect all the damage that fool did during this 8 year tenure.
And those people are wrong, too.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
9:23 am
Butch:
“The reason is fairly simple. Even at maximum capacity, the Keystone line will move some 400,000 barrels per day of crude from Canada and the Midwest to global oil market. With the transportation discount removed, those barrels likely will be repriced to the higher global benchmark. “
That’s the part of this I don’t get, because there are no refineries in North Dakota. The oil is going to the global market either way.
Jay
February 28th, 2012
9:23 am
Well Johnny, I still suspect we’ll get the chance to see who is proved right. I still think Romney is the odds-on favorite to win the nomination, and will get his chance to make that argument in the general.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:23 am
Irrational
I used to bring facts. I quit (mostly) after I figured out liberals don’t believe in facts.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
9:24 am
America needs means testing for gas. Why should the poor be denied the right to drive their cars.
-Thomas Jefferson
carlosgvv
February 28th, 2012
9:24 am
Doom – 8:59
There is an excellent chance that, before too long, we’ll conclude that all of our troops who died in Iraq and Afghanistan gave their lives for NOTHING. And, we will thank George W. Bush for that. Of course, debtload, economic growth, unemployment and gas prices mean far more to you and other cons than the mere lives of our troops.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:24 am
“What’s the gas price now?”
all I can say is that the price of being anywhere near the Wondermutt when she has gas is high. VERY high.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
9:25 am
JohnnyReb
Re: the USA Today poll, Affordable Care Act.
As is typical with many polls, I’d suspect people don’t know that much about ACA. Get specific with “if your wife gets breast cancer, do you want the insurance company to have the right to cancel your policy?” and I doubt the answer would be a resounding ‘yes!’
But more to the point: My Congressman, Rep (Dr.) Michael Burgess, is chairman of the House Healthcare Caucus and a critic, not of health care reform, but of aspects of the ACA. Listen to this 2-minute video. Notice how, at the one-minute mark, he says if the Supreme Court finds the individual mandate unconstitutional, other insurance reforms must follow or health care costs will spiral out of control and we need something to take its place.
In other words, JohnnyReb, what Republican Congressional Leaders and presidential candidates say to fire up the base and defeat Pres Obama is one thing. What they do quietly, behind the scenes, is pretty much the opposite.
http://burgess.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=279915
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:26 am
Jm – I don’t falsely assume anything. The intelligence reports that have been made public admit that they don’t know if Iran wants to use their nuclear program for energy or for weapons. I’m smart enough to realize that all the intelligence reports aren’t being made public, but one has to assume that they wouldn’t make those reports public if they were sure that Iran wanted to produce a weapons program. If Iran is just building nuclear power plants then what is the big deal? Does Cuba, Mexico or Canada have the right to attack us in here in Georgia because we’re building a new nuclear reactor?
TaxPayer
February 28th, 2012
9:26 am
We know that Santorum has Friess backing him and Gingrich has Adelson and Mitt has his own money but where is the Koch money flowing or is it sitting on the sidelines waiting for a candidate. And why isn’t that money going to Ron Paul. After all, the Kochs and Ron should be tight as in very close since they are all of the Libertarian persuasion and just wearing Republican armbands out of necessity.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:26 am
Jm: I used to bring facts. I quit (mostly) after I figured out liberals don’t believe in facts.
This is what they call, in layman’s terms, bullsh*t.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
9:26 am
(ir)Rational
That fireball was sponsored by JP4. I’ve never seen anything like that before myself. I was amazed that both Montoya and the guy driving the truck walked away from that. I haven’t heard about speed, but from watching the replay, I’m thinking Montoya was probably around 130mph or so. He was trying to catch up with the pack, so he wasn’t just cruising around.
Jay
February 28th, 2012
9:27 am
Heathen, there are refineries in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Ohio, Kansas, Michigan….
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:27 am
it’s a gas gas gas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84YDhZSjmk0
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
9:28 am
Brosephus@9:26
I am very grateful Montoya wasn’t stuck under the back of that truck. That would have been horrible beyond words.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:29 am
Adam @ 9:26 – Amen to that. A big steaming pile of bullsh*t.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:29 am
godless heathen -”The oil is going to the global market either way.”
Exactly! Since the U.S. has no control over the global market, there is no way that the POTUS can control the prices in order to affect a reduction in the cost of fuel. Moving the oil from point A to point B is simply transportation not pricing. The pipeline will allow the Canadians to move the crude to the coastal refineries where it will then be sold on the world market at market prices. There is no stipulation that the oil transported across the U.S. gets to STAY in the U.S. The only way to guarantee that it does, is to nationalize the industry, giving the U.S. direct control of all domestic oil supplies. Anything else is just smoke and mirrors.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:30 am
Heathen, there are refineries in Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Ohio, Kansas, Michigan….
….Louisiana, Texas, oh heck let me just do this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_refineries#United_States
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:31 am
Bro – Yeah, it is impressive that they were able to walk away. Says something about how well their crews installed the safety restraints (realizing of course that the dryer truck might not have a crew, but I’m assuming it probably has something more than a standard seat belt and an airbag).
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:32 am
BTW, no refineries in North Dakota? Actually there is one:
North Dakota
Mandan Refinery (Tesoro), Mandan 60,000 bbl/d (9,500 m3/d)
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 28th, 2012
9:32 am
The voices in my head keep saying,
Vo Mitt 2012
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:32 am
Butch – “Since the U.S. has no control over the global market”
but haven’t you heard???
he DOES!!!
he can go on camera and threaten to drill in Yellowstone and that will automatically reduce prices IMMEDIATELY
(the tightie righties who were here yesterday told me that, so it MUST be true)
Newtiepewtie
February 28th, 2012
9:33 am
The Dems ought to worry if Gen. David Petraeus gets in the race….
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
9:33 am
Butch,
You are acting like I am arguing that the construction of the Pipeline will reduce the price of gas and I’m not. But I think that it will increase the price of gas is a weak argument also.
TaxPayer
February 28th, 2012
9:33 am
The oil refineries in the west/midwest can process the West Texas and Canadian Crude. Other refineries are from an earlier generation that can only process the sweet crude and many of those refineries have shut down because of margin squeeze and the resulting inability to make a profit. Once gas prices are high enough perhaps more refineries will be built that can process the less desireable but cheaper crude.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
9:33 am
“Bury your head in the sand, the real estate collapse, the result of the ownership society and regulators looking the other way is the problem.”
Mick, I don’t disagree with you there. But is it all W’s fault. Do the Ds not hold any responsibility at all? Any? Or fannie or freddie mac? Or people themselves? Or Congress in the laws that they passed that made lending to people who otherwise had no business getting loans?
“Why is the middle class in tatters? They are all broke from equity lines, flipping real estate. You conveniently overlook all that as if it didn’t matter.”
And its all W’s fault?
“Bush was handed a surplus, squandered it, eviscerated it and left the next guy a big pile of elephant dung.”
Wrong on 2 points. First of all the surplus was projected and never realized so you’re wrong on that count. Secondly the real credit to balanced budgets goes to Newt and the Rs who dragged Clinton screaming and kicking to the table. And one other thing. We inherited the dot.com bust from Clinton or did you forget all about that?
“That’s not playing a card, that’s reality…you are in favor of historical amnesia, no friggin way…”
Yes. And I just corrected you on some more of your inaccuracies regarding history.
Ennis
February 28th, 2012
9:34 am
I take it you don’t watch too many addresses from the white house where BHO is speaking. You may also find this a bit alarming, but you can be born in America and be a Muslim. And no, there is no religious test to be the POUS. Nor will I advocate there to be one. Some people don’t think Mormon is a religion and come down hard on Romney for it.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:36 am
But I think that it will increase the price of gas is a weak argument also.
Who said that?
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:37 am
Here’s a little insight to the “Glory Days” of the Bush Administratin in regard to Thulsa Dooms ascertion that things were hunky dorey during Bushs middle years:
How did it get so bad?
Greed. The American economy is built on credit. Credit is a great tool when used wisely. For instance, credit can be used to start or expand a business, which can create jobs. It can also be used to purchase large ticket items such as houses or cars. Again, more jobs are created and people’s needs are satisfied. But in the last decade, credit went unchecked in our country, and it got out of control.
Mortgage brokers, acting only as middle men, determined who got loans, then passed on the responsibility for those loans on to others in the form of mortgage backed assets (after taking a fee for themselves originating the loan). Exotic and risky mortgages became commonplace and the brokers who approved these loans absolved themselves of responsibility by packaging these bad mortgages with other mortgages and reselling them as “investments.”
Thousands of people took out loans larger than they could afford in the hopes that they could either flip the house for profit or refinance later at a lower rate and with more equity in their home – which they would then leverage to purchase another “investment” house.
A lot of people got rich quickly and people wanted more. Before long, all you needed to buy a house was a pulse and your word that you could afford the mortgage. Brokers had no reason not to sell you a home. They made a cut on the sale, then packaged the mortgage with a group of other mortgages and erased all personal responsibility of the loan. But many of these mortgage backed assets were ticking time bombs. And they just went off.
The housing market declined
The housing slump set off a chain reaction in our economy. Individuals and investors could no longer flip their homes for a quick profit, adjustable rates mortgages adjusted skyward and mortgages no longer became affordable for many homeowners, and thousands of mortgages defaulted, leaving investors and financial institutions holding the bag.
This caused massive losses in mortgage backed securities and many banks and investment firms began bleeding money. This also caused a glut of homes on the market which depressed housing prices and slowed the growth of new home building, putting thousands of home builders and laborers out of business. Depressed housing prices caused further complications as it made many homes worth much less than the mortgage value and some owners chose to simply walk away instead of pay their mortgage.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
9:37 am
NewtiePewtie
“The Dems ought to worry if Gen. David Petraeus gets in the race….”
What makes you think a guy who’s enjoyed the benefits of socialized medicine all his life and who experienced a decade-long, unnecessary war that killed and maimed many of his friends is a Republican?
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:37 am
Ennis: I have watched plenty of Obama’s speeches, including at the national prayer breakfast. Also that one where that guy was yelling that he was the anti-christ. You know, the one where he yelled first “Jesus Christ is Lord” and Obama said “I believe that too.”
Mick
February 28th, 2012
9:37 am
doom
Doomy logic – let me get this straight, you exonorate bush of everything that happened on his watch yet you seem to blame everything that is going on now – on obama? All the good things are because of repub. policies? Uh-huh, there you go, you really can’t argue with a cinderblockhead…
Midori
February 28th, 2012
9:37 am
so Ennis — when Obama attended Rev. Wright’s church was he just faking it or had other motives?
Or is Rev. Wright a muslim too? That would pretty much explain his “god d*mn america” comments, wouldn’t it?
Paul
February 28th, 2012
9:38 am
NewtiePewtie
Oh, sorry…. I realize you meant Gen Petraeus would challenge Pres Obama for the Democratic nomination and that would be messy for Democrats.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
9:38 am
I’d like to say that “crossing over” is just plain wrong.
I did it once – when Ralph Reed ran here in GA. No way I could fathom that putz representing the state in anything.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:39 am
““The Dems ought to worry if Gen. David Petraeus gets in the race….””
there’s LOADS of things to worry about.
that ain’t one of them.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
9:39 am
santorum is getting secret service protection today
tweet I read:
“Well in my day a candidate held a gun tightly between his knees”
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:40 am
GG –
USMC
February 28th, 2012
9:41 am
Bush Was Blamed For Gas Prices By The Left, But Obama Gets A Pass, Hypocrisy? Yes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oaq2fHiOOY
LOL!
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:41 am
there’s LOADS of things to worry about.
that ain’t one of them.
I got 99 problems but Petraeus ain’t one….
Midori
February 28th, 2012
9:41 am
I did it once – when Ralph Reed ran here in GA. No way I could fathom that putz representing the state in anything.
LOL Finn!! Desperate circumstance promote desperate measures
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:41 am
Bush Was Blamed For Gas Prices By The Left, But Obama Gets A Pass, Hypocrisy? Yes!
What’s your point?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Steve USA 9:24
Hilarious
Irrational
If you think Iran is creating enriched uranium and developing nuclear missile payload integration for nukes in order to run their power plants, you’re clueless
Midori
February 28th, 2012
9:45 am
Say what you will about Obama, at least he is AWARE of the problem:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004250068_bush29.html
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
9:45 am
Jay, I think your analysis is wrong. If Romney wins AZ while losing MI, it’s a push and the bet rides another week into Super Tuesday. If Romney wins MI slightly, it’s also a push. A big win in the face of polls saying otherwise, and he takes the pot and goes all-in on Super Tuesday to force everyone else to fold.
Obama’s not the only poker player out there. Romney also plays… and he appears to bluff a lot and chatters way too much when he’s bluffing (there’s your tell).
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:45 am
Adam – The point is that they have no point, and nothing they can say of relevance to the topic. They think they’re winning something by pointing out things that everyone already knows, and if you challenge them on something, they get belligerent or pretend they didn’t see your post. It is interesting to watch though. Do you think they all have a secret blog where they get together and compare notes before they come here so they’re all on the same page?
Paul
February 28th, 2012
9:45 am
USMC
For the umpteenth time:
Democrats assailed Pres Bush for rising gas prices and Republicans said they were wrong.
Now Republicans assail Pres Obama for rising gas prices and Democrats say they are wrong..
So which is it?
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
9:45 am
“America needs means testing for gas”
No, they need drug testing for gas.
Think about how that would play in Rightwingnutistan.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:46 am
“What’s your point?”
That you liberals are morons.
Simple answer to a stupid question.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
9:46 am
Could you cons keep the wah-wah screeching down?
You’re harshing the bootiful vibe of de island mon
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:47 am
godless heathen – “But I think that it will increase the price of gas is a weak argument also.”
Your somewhat right in that regard. The prices will continue to fluctuate up or down in reaction to to the market. However, what the pipeline does is makes it cheaper for Canada to move the oil to the coastal refineries. Rather than pay the transportation costs of refining the product and then having it shipped to the ports for sale on the world market, they would have the ability to eliminate the “middle man” as it were and go direct. This is a definite cost saver for the company, but that savings is not being passed to the consumer. The pipeline simply makes it cheaper for the company to move the oil to the market in order to sell it at a higher price, which does nothing to help the U.S. in regard to our current fuel costs.
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
9:47 am
“What’s your point?”
That you liberals are morons.
Aaaaaand he loses another argument on points and goes away sulking.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
9:47 am
Are the cacti the right height in Arizona?
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
9:48 am
Butch, 9:37, I’ll Stamp that.
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
9:49 am
Are the cacti the right height in Arizona?
Depends on the viewpoint: Wyle E. Coyote or Road Runner?
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
9:49 am
“That you liberals are morons.”
EEEK Name Calling!
TaxPayer
February 28th, 2012
9:50 am
I see jm is still trying to impress. Keep trying. No one likes a quitter.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
9:50 am
Jm – Are you an expert on national security now? Do you have a security clearance and receive morning briefings from people in the intelligence community? No? Then while I’m admittedly clueless about what is actually going on, that is much better than someone who is clueless and doesn’t know it. Especially since you seem to be ready to sacrifice the lives of so many others to support your theory on what is going on in another country. But hey, you think what you want, and I’ll remain “clueless” and not beg my country to send more of my generation to their deaths.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:50 am
“Aaaaaand he loses another argument on points and goes away sulking.”
I thought he lost it on a TKO … nowhere close enough for points to matter …
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
9:51 am
The cacti’s as high as a elephants eye, And it looks likes it’s climbing right up to the sky, OOOOHHHHH what a beautiful morning
~ Thomas Jefferson
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:53 am
Irrational
I listen to what the IAEA says
You not so much
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:54 am
Jm – “I listen to what the IAEA says
You not so much”
Or GW Bush as it turned out.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:54 am
Do you think they all have a secret blog where they get together and compare notes before they come here so they’re all on the same page?
Drudge Report
Recon 0311 2533
February 28th, 2012
9:55 am
I guess this topic is designed to divert attention away from polling that has Romney and even Ron Paul beating Obama with Santorum only a few points behind in his match up. All this even before the Republican nominee emerges. The Republicans are in trouble and it’s all roses for the Democrats. Yeah right.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
9:55 am
http://youtu.be/sQb_4hXLx2Q
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:56 am
dangitall, GG … now, when I picture Thomas Jefferson, this is what will come to mind:
http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/27/2769/DXJTD00Z/posters/gordon-macrae.jpg
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:56 am
“polling that has Romney and even Ron Paul beating Obama with Santorum only a few points behind in his match up”
yay!!
I’ll play
got a linkee?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
9:57 am
Self declared victory does not equal a win
Silly liberals
Your parents told you that you were above average didn’t they? Parents lie, sorry to break it to you.
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
9:58 am
I guess this topic is designed to divert attention away from polling that has Romney and even Ron Paul beating Obama with Santorum only a few points behind in his match up
Awww, you’re upset because we aren’t talking about the latest Islamist threats or high gas prices being all the President’s fault, huh?
Let us know when the Republican Party clusterf**ck is over and then take a poll about a general election match-up. Until then, a poll about it is a mind game to be played.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
9:58 am
Do you think they all have a secret blog where they get together and compare notes before they come here so they’re all on the same page?
Media Matters
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:59 am
godless heathen – “http://youtu.be/sQb_4hXLx2Q”
Yep, the Dems were wrong then just as the Reps are wrong now. I watch that video and remain convinced that both sides are comprised of nothing more than pandering idiots.
Thanks godless!!
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
9:59 am
USinUK: it’s gallup and the results are within margin of error, so there’s no clear “leading” at this point.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
9:59 am
shorter jm 9:57 –
“am not! am not! am not!!! lalalalalalala I can’t hear you!!!”
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
9:59 am
My parents pointed at your parents and laughed
then warned about cross breeding….
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:01 am
“Doomy logic – let me get this straight, you exonorate bush of everything that happened on his watch yet you seem to blame everything that is going on now – on obama?”
Mick,
Nope. I’m not exonerating W. He is the one that started spending us into debt and got us into 2 expensive wars although the Ds also voted to go to war in Afgh at least. W deserves blame for the debt run up under his presidency- plain and simple. And he deserves partial blame for the housing meltdown as well.
“All the good things are because of repub. policies?”
Mick, I never said that. Didn’t even imply it. You are the one saying it. Not me. The Rs are simply the lesser of the 2 evils in my book. The only point that I’m saying in defense of W is that in 6 of his 8 years things were okay and were certainly better than under O. The unemployment and economic data bear this out. Its not even debateable.
“Uh-huh, there you go, you really can’t argue with a cinderblockhead…”
I didn’t stoop to calling you names Mick.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
10:01 am
Butch
I Didn’t listen to Bush either, correct
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:01 am
ByteMe – not according to this: http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:01 am
Jm – See, that’s funny, cause I looked, and couldn’t find anything on their site saying with certainty that Iran has nuclear weapons or is producing them. It says they asked to visit a military site, and Iran said no, but that in itself isn’t damning. I’m guessing you’re probably above military age, and wouldn’t have to worry about being sent over though if you get your wish, so go ahead and play armchair diplomat and military leader and pretend it is a good idea to send others to do what you think is right.
TaxPayer
February 28th, 2012
10:02 am
Uh Oh. It sounds like jm has found out the truth about Santa.
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February 28th, 2012
10:03 am
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February 28th, 2012
10:03 am
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Recon 0311 2533
February 28th, 2012
10:04 am
“got a linkee?”
I’d help you out but finding poll results on the internet isn’t that difficult.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
10:04 am
every call for Iran war makes the gas cost even more!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:04 am
Steve- USA
Media matters. BOOM!!! Now that was funny.
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
10:05 am
JAY,
Funny stuff today. Two questions for you:
First, what do you think of that Christy cat from NJ?
Second, what do you think about BO’s about face on Keystone? I actually admire his unusual backbone on this…good play since the green and environmental cash contributions certainly are not going to GOP…
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:05 am
Jm – “I Didn’t listen to Bush either, correct”
Good, because he definitely didn’t listen to the IAEA.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:06 am
“Are you an expert on national security now? Do you have a security clearance and receive morning briefings from people in the intelligence community?”
Irrational,
No. But i slept at a Holiday inn express last night.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:07 am
(ir)Rational — “I don’t falsely assume anything. The intelligence reports that have been made public admit that they don’t know if Iran wants to use their nuclear program for energy or for weapons.”
Not so sure about that. There’s evidence that Iran is enriching uranium to about 20%, which is way higher than you need for a conventional reactor such as a power plant. Purity of 3-5% is sufficient for that. You have to get to ~90% to have weapons-grade uranium, but my understanding is that by the time you can enrich to 40-50%, you’ve done most of the work and your research is largely complete.
I think the burden of proof is on Iran to show what it’s doing that 20% enrichment for, and if they can’t provide a scientifically plausible explanation, then the only remaining conclusion I can reach is that they’re trying to make weapons-grade HEU. If they can’t provide that explanation, then I think measures stronger than sanctions must be considered in an expeditious manner.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:07 am
“I’d help you out but finding poll results on the internet isn’t that difficult.”
in other words, your claim is unsubstantiated.
thanks for playing.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:08 am
Thulsa – That’s hilarious. Thanks for that.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:08 am
“No. But i slept at a Holiday inn express last night.”
okay, that made me chuckle.
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
10:09 am
I think this poll is likely to be disputed but see trial heat:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
This is before the summer of $6 gas prices…should be big fun in November…
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
10:09 am
I think this poll is likely to be disputed but see trial heat:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
This is before the summer of $6 gas prices…should be big fun in November…
Mick
February 28th, 2012
10:09 am
doom
Yes, it’s frustrating. This game of politics is not very much fun anymore and there is so much at stake for the future of this country. I’m ok, my family will be ok, but the children, what will they be looking at in 20, 30 years? I completely disagree with modern republican philosopy and view most of their policies as dangerous to the middle class but mighty friendly to the wealthy class, as if they need any more help. It’s the same old story, ok man just kidding about you being a cinderblockhead, you’re actually more of a spirited debater with whom I disagree. At least you have the humor down…
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:10 am
Doom — “But is it all W’s fault. Do the Ds not hold any responsibility at all? Any?”
The Bush Administration demanded that states not impose stricter controls on mortgage issuance and underwriting. Georgia was one of the first states told *not* to stiffen their regulations when the General Assembly was considering it.
“Or fannie or freddie mac?”
Fannie and Freddie provided liquidity. They didn’t write the crappy, toxic mortgages.
“Or people themselves? Or Congress in the laws that they passed that made lending to people who otherwise had no business getting loans?”
Over 80% of the toxic loans were written by organizations that were *not* subject to Federal oversight. You are just repeating a baseless canard of the right.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
10:12 am
Stevie Ray
“Second, what do you think about BO’s about face on Keystone?”
What about face?
He’s doing just what he said he would do.
Aren’t you just simmply delighted!
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February 28th, 2012
10:12 am
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(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:13 am
JHM – That’s more of “in-depth” explanation than I’ve seen for it. On the news or otherwise. But I would still want that explanation and more concrete evidence before I would support an attack.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
10:13 am
Just out of curiosity…what are these posts where the name is a link?
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Jeez…gas is getting expensive this summer…
started at 4 bucks now it’s 6 bucks..
can I get 8?
going once…..going twice….
.
.
And yet the conservatives want us to subsidize somehow their addiction
Recon 0311 2533
February 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Stevie Ray, wait now for USinUK to declare it unsubstantiated and then go back to playing or pretending.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:14 am
Stevie Ray – “This is before the summer of $6 gas prices…should be big fun in November…”
Agreed. If people vote for the next POTUS based soley on criteria that can’t be controlled by the administration, then they are truly idiots and deserve the government that they get.
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
10:15 am
USinUK, the poll in question is this: http://www.gallup.com/poll/152918/Romney-Santorum-Closely-Matched-Against-Obama-Nationally.aspx
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:16 am
Doggone – I believe it is where other bloggers/news sites are linking this blog.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:17 am
Recon – hey, mr. reading-is-fundamental – go back and check out my 10:01 – you know, the one with the statistical tie
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:17 am
(ir)Rational — “That’s more of “in-depth” explanation than I’ve seen for it. On the news or otherwise. But I would still want that explanation and more concrete evidence before I would support an attack.”
I can’t remember where I saw that 20% figure, but there’s apparently evidence of some sort for it. If Iran can’t or won’t present a plausible explanation, then I think the IAEA needs to demand access to wherever that’s being produced. If Iran won’t grant access, then I think stronger measures must be considered and discussed with all possible speed.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:18 am
ByteMe – I went through that and didn’t see anything about Paul beating Obama.
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
10:18 am
We’re being linked to by Lexington Christian Radio?
I was up there last week, scanning the FM dial, LOTS of talk and pulpit radio going on, not so much music.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
10:18 am
Thanks IR – didn’t think of that
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
10:18 am
irR: I think that was made-up by the poster. Paul beats no one at this point.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:19 am
GG – “And yet the conservatives want us to subsidize somehow their addiction”
Subsidize it? Hell, they want to take over the entire industry in direct conflict with free trade principals.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
10:19 am
Usinuk 9:59
U r juvenile
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
10:20 am
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57354948/u.n-confirms-iran-uranium-enrichment-claim/
The diplomats said that centrifuges at the Fordo site near Iran’s holy city of Qom are churning out uranium enriched to 20 percent.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Butch
They want us to be like the Chinese Communists and nationalize oil?
They’ll just want more oil a few hours later….
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:20 am
JHM – According to the IAEA website, they just tried that tactic, and Iran said no. Still not sure what exactly we can do without having an actual war though.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
10:20 am
“U r juvenile”
I met him once, he was far more mature than his name would lead you to think.
Recon 0311 2533
February 28th, 2012
10:20 am
“you know, the one with the statistical tie”
Nice try but your dodge didn’t make it. ISFH
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
10:20 am
Grannie,
You are correct, I may be confused between Keystone and the TransCanada…my bad.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:23 am
Doggone – You met Juvenile? I remember when my older sister got her license and a car, and we thought we were so cool listening to his music. Now that I’m older, I realize that even his best stuff is at best mediocre. Still pretty cool though.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:23 am
Mick,
I’m just messin with ya about the cinderblockhead name call. It was actually kinda funny and I laughed about it.
I hear ya on the Repub deal. I feel the same way about the dems. The truth is probably somewhere in between. But one thing is for sure. They both are responsible for the mess and future mess our children will find themselves in. And we also are responsible for re-electing the same set of jackasses.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Recon – dodge???
darlin, do you not understand the concept of “margin of error” ??? think of it as the spread – you have to score MORE than the spread to win.
but thanks for the chuckle …
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:24 am
ByteMe – My bad, I thought you were the original poster. Yeah, Paul might beat himself, but I think most have seen him for the loon that he is.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:24 am
Stevie Ray – “I may be confused between Keystone and the TransCanada…”
Your not confused. Trancanada is the outfit that wants to build the pipeline in order to more quickly and cheaply transport crude to the coastal refineries so they can get it on the world market faster and reap quicker profits. However, in regard to gas prices in the U.S., the Keystone will mean exactly squat.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
10:25 am
General Election Polls from Real Clear Politics
Gallup: Obama 47, Romney 47
Politico: Obama 53, Romney 43
RasRpts: Romney 45, Obama 43
Gallup: Santorum 49, Obama 46
Politico: Obama 53, Santorum 42
RasRpts: Obama 45, Santorum 43
Conclusion – Politico’s bias shows pretty clearly.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Jm – 10:19 – aw, diddums. coming from the one who likes to call names, that’s funny.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Johnny – It is all polling, so it all depends on who they get to answer the phone. Also, Gallup’s website doesn’t back up those numbers. Just sayin.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Joe Mama aka defender of John Kerry,
All ya had to say was its the R’s faults.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:27 am
(ir)Rational – “Johnny – It is all polling, so it all depends on who they get to answer the phone. Also, Gallup’s website doesn’t back up those numbers. Just sayin.”
Careful, your independent thought processes are showing.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Byteme
Liberals will ignore the fact you just posted
Obviously the Israelis are just war mongers who like killing people
Their track record of aggressive invasion and assaults on oyher countries clearly demonstrates that /sarc
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:29 am
ByteMe, thanks for the link. I don’t buy the medical isotopes claim; AFAIK, there are no medical isotopes of uranium. You can use uranium to help *produce* some medical isotopes, but there are plenty you can produce *without* uranium. Again, IMO Iran needs to come clean.
(ir)Rational — “According to the IAEA website, they just tried that tactic, and Iran said no. Still not sure what exactly we can do without having an actual war though.”
We already virused their main centrifuge facility once. Hosed it up for MONTHS. I suspect that covert ops are being planned and are possibly under way. We have options outside of a high-intensity conflict.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Johnnyreb,
If those polls are accurate then the food stamp crowd has gotta be feeling kinda uneasy.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Butch – Dang it. I’ve been trying to keep that hidden. I’m trying to fit in with the republicans again (it hurts when they call me liberal) but I just can’t turn my brain off.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:30 am
Doom — “Joe Mama aka defender of John Kerry”
Whenever you want to admit that you were wrong about what Kerry said, I’m right here, Doom.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
10:30 am
“And yet the conservatives want us to subsidize somehow their addiction”
And since no Democrats have jobs, they don’t have any desire to see lower gas prices.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:31 am
Doom — “All ya had to say was its the R’s faults.”
Repubs hate them some facts, yes they do.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
10:31 am
ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:26 am
Johnny – It is all polling, so it all depends on who they get to answer the phone. Also, Gallup’s website doesn’t back up those numbers. Just sayin.
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Yea, there is a school of thought out there that polls are intended to sway opinion, not measure it. Even with that, the wide disparity of Politico makes on wonder.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 28th, 2012
10:32 am
“Just take Fox, Rush, Drudge’s ….”
One more and I’ll have Bingo!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:32 am
“Under my plan energy prices will necessarily skyrocket”- Barack Obama 2008
Go gas prices go!!!
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:33 am
JHM – Ever wonder how the government gets the good hackers? Takes them to court and then offers them a deal – kind of a work for us and avoid jail or don’t and go to jail for a long time type deal. I’m just not enough of an optimist to believe that if we did something on the sly, with a special ops team or whatever, that they wouldn’t try and retaliate with everything they’ve got against us or our allies. They just don’t seem all that stable.
0311/1811
February 28th, 2012
10:33 am
“Imagine the aftermath of a Romney loss in Michigan”
IMAGINE THE AFTERMATH OF AN OBAMA WIN IN NOVEMBER !
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:33 am
“Just take Fox, Rush, Drudge’s ….”
HANNITY!!!!
B
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USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:33 am
“And since no Democrats have jobs, they don’t have any desire to see lower gas prices.”
we don’t???
damn. I guess I’ve been getting up early and schlepping out to Hammersmith just for the coffee and bagel fridays all this time …
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:34 am
“IMAGINE THE AFTERMATH OF AN OBAMA WIN IN NOVEMBER !”
yep.
tightie righties’ heads a’sploding from coast to coast …
I’m imagining it, all right!!!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:35 am
Scout @ 10:33,
You’re a horror movie fan are ya?
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:35 am
JohnnyReb – It makes one wonder, but to one who isn’t into conspiracy theories, it makes one think that maybe, just maybe more democrats answered their phones that day than republicans did.
Thulsa – We’ve all been over this, an isolated quote, taken out of context (the context being a speech about coal if I remember correctly) proves absolutely nothing.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:36 am
(ir)Rational — ” I’m just not enough of an optimist to believe that if we did something on the sly, with a special ops team or whatever, that they wouldn’t try and retaliate with everything they’ve got against us or our allies. They just don’t seem all that stable.”
I think that’s often the case with religious extremists of any sort. In Iran’s case, they’re running the whole country.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:37 am
Repubs hate them some facts, yes they do.- Joe Mama
Yes. We are starting to hate facts. We keep showing them to libs and they keep saying facts don’t matter. We may have to start taking a page out of the lib playbook and start resorting to hyperbole and rhetoric a la John Kerry.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
10:38 am
USinUK,
Just generalizing as is oh so popular these days.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:39 am
(ir) – GOOD RECALL – it was about cap-n-trade
It didn’t take us long to find Barack Obama’s original quote, which came from a videotaped interview he did with the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board very early in the presidential campaign, January 2008.
“Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,” Obama told the Chronicle . “Coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”
While Obama was talking specifically about cap-and-trade, he was also making a larger point that the biggest challenge will be making sure voters understand why such a plan is necessary.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:40 am
USinUK – They (your bosses) were hoping you wouldn’t figure out that, as a liberal, you were entitled to stay home and they would still have to pay you for not working.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:40 am
godless – all people who generalize are brainless dolts …
(see what I did there … I generalized … making a funny )
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:41 am
Doom — “We may have to start taking a page out of the lib playbook and start resorting to hyperbole and rhetoric a la John Kerry.”
Doom, doubling down on the dishonesty.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:42 am
(ir) – 10:40 – dammit! we need to have a better circulation system for this memo that says I should be paid for sitting home, watching home improvement shows …
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:43 am
irIrational,
Some comments can be taken out of context but that statement? Not so much. Its pretty clear where he stands on fossil fuels. Need some more?
Obama’s Quote on Coal Industry
“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.”2- Obama in 2008
Now I suppose you’re just going to say the same thing- it was taken out of context. Sorry but this is pretty damn straightforward about where the man’s intentions are.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
10:43 am
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:43 am
“Thulsa Doom – “Go gas prices go!!!
Have you written to the State of Georgia demanding immediate action regarding the following?
” Wholesale natural gas prices are not controlled by the state of Georgia or Georgia’s utilities. They fluctuate with the national market.”
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:43 am
USinUK – The memo also says that if you do come to work, you get to take extra long lunches, in fact coming back after lunch is optional, and coming back without having a few drinks at lunch is nearly forbidden. Have fun.
sheepdawg
February 28th, 2012
10:43 am
this campaign is funny to watch
Jm
February 28th, 2012
10:44 am
Gas is the new buzzword
Unless you drive a Prius
mm
February 28th, 2012
10:44 am
Jay,
You shouldn’t upset the corporate welfare crowd this early in the morning. They might want to throw up.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
10:44 am
Granny, USinUK talking bad about you again.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
10:46 am
Joe Mama,
Doubling down on the dishonesty? From the king of dishonesty himself no less. So how did that trap work out yesterday regarding John Kerry? Lemme guess. Personal knowledge doesn’t include a friend or close colleague telling you of specific atrocities in your book. The person with the “personal knowledge” has to be present at the site of these atrocities? Was that the semantical argument you were trying to engage in yesterday?
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:46 am
Jm – “Unless you drive a Prius”
I do, and it costs me $450.00 a month. Actually, that’s just for the parking garage.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:47 am
Thulsa – Your first comment was taken out of context and wasn’t the direct quote. See USinUK @ 10:39. From what I remember, those two were probably from the same speech, but you wouldn’t want to admit that you could be wrong. So hey, go right ahead and think that Obama has some magic button that will lower gas prices and that he just isn’t because he wants to punish you for driving a big truck.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:49 am
Butch – That’s cause you live in Manhattan. You’re the one who made the mistake, I mean choice of living in NYC. Now, if you would buy that beachfront property in the Hamptons, wait, you said no to the Hamptons, maybe Seaside, NJ is more your style? I could design you a house with an attached garage and you wouldn’t have to pay any more to house your car.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
10:50 am
Doom — “Doubling down on the dishonesty? From the king of dishonesty himself no less.”
You should talk.
“So how did that trap work out yesterday regarding John Kerry? Lemme guess. Personal knowledge doesn’t include a friend or close colleague telling you of specific atrocities in your book. The person with the “personal knowledge” has to be present at the site of these atrocities? Was that the semantical argument you were trying to engage in yesterday?”
No semantic argument at all, Doom. What you claimed and what Kerry actually said were two different things. I’ll be glad to educate you on that point if you like.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:50 am
(ir) – so, is a magic gas button kinda like pulling one’s finger?
Joe The Plumber Too
February 28th, 2012
10:51 am
urkle may still be well loved by the libs but they are hiding far better than they did three years ago. I judge it by bumper stickers. I enacted a surcharge of $20 per invoice for travel with proceeds going to company parties, for every job one of my guys pulled up on that had a car in the driveway with an obama sticker on it. First year, we had a helluva Christmas party, second year pretty good, last year proceeds were way down and this year it’s looking like a quarter pounder and a coke kind of party from lack of bumper stickers. C’mon libs on the east side show your urkle pride and help give a bunch of plumbers (soon to be without health care) a great Christmas party. Find the charity in your hearts for this forgotten segment of the population, PWOCP, Plumbers Without Christmas Parties.
Proud Georgia Democrat
February 28th, 2012
10:52 am
I can’t wait for Super Tuesday so I can vote for Newt in the Republican Primary. Lets watch this train wreck roll right on in to Tampa.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:52 am
USinUK – It isn’t like that, it is that.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
10:53 am
(ir) – … good thing Obama has a dog he can blame …
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
10:54 am
USinUK – I had to get a second dog for that.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
10:54 am
Butch
Yeah NY parking is expensive
Got a buddy who pays $700
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
10:55 am
Who cares what rep wins Michigan??? Michigan is a slam-dunk for Obama anyway. MI is Mitt’s “homestate” about as much as PA is your “homestate” Jay.
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
10:58 am
“Proud Georgia Democrat” — here’s your sign. Maybe the other two GA proud democrats can get together with you & you guys could have a car wash to raise funds for the GA Democratic Party.
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
10:59 am
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:56 am
The Dems are tampering again? Say it aint so. The same party that gave us the 1960 election?
So are the Dems simply encouraging Dems to vote in the Repub primary? Or are they up to their usual tricks of picking up homeless folks, plying them with cigs, beer, and $5 and driving them to polling stations to vote?
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If Liberals Hated America We’d Vote Republican.
Just sayin…………………………………………………..
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:01 am
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
10:43 am
“Thulsa Doom – “Go gas prices go!!!
“Have you written to the State of Georgia demanding immediate action regarding the following?”
Butch Cassidy,
To hell with writing them. I learned from the OWS folks. I’m a gonna go down there and raise utter hell on behalf of the downtrodden and all the folks struggling to put gas in their car. And here’s how I’m a gonna do it.
I’m gonna take a grand of my own money and go to Dem districts and gather an army of protestors. I’ll invest $200 in beer and maddog 20/20, $200 in blunts, $200 in lotto tickets, and $400 in straight $5 cash payments.
And then I’m a gonna take my protest army down to the state capital and you just watch all hell break loose. We’re going to teach all those evil oil guys. Then we’re going to go on a 800 mile march to crawford Texas.
We’re gonna go to W’s house and steal that secret computer a his. You know- the one that he uses and pushes specific buttons and levers to raise gas prices on behalf of his evil oil buddies.
And just like the OWS protesters my band a ruffians is gonna be stinky, violent(womens beware), and riotous- police best be ready for this band of gas whining OWS simulating thugs.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
11:01 am
Proud Georgia Democrat
February 28th, 2012
10:52 am
I can’t wait for Super Tuesday so I can vote for Newt in the Republican Primary. Lets watch this train wreck roll right on in to Tampa.
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Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:03 am
“No semantic argument at all, Doom. What you claimed and what Kerry actually said were two different things. I’ll be glad to educate you on that point if you like”
Begin the enlightenment perfesser of knowitallogy.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
11:03 am
“If Liberals Hated America We’d Vote Republican.”
SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-LUTE!!!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:05 am
irRATIONAL,
It is what it is and Obama said what he said. No taking anything out of context. The man is simply against fossil fuels plain and simple.
The Quiet people do the electing.
February 28th, 2012
11:07 am
Lots of hand wringing and teeth gnashing going on this blog. This election is a done deal. President Barack Obama will win a landslide victory in November. You heard it here first.
Matti
February 28th, 2012
11:08 am
Funny…. a number of Republican transplants asked me about cross-over primary voting four years ago. They were very excited to jump in and be Dems for a day when the race was a dead heat between Senators Clinton and Obama.
I did not approve or disapprove. It’s legal in Georgia.
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
11:08 am
@Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:56 am
The Dems are tampering again? Say it aint so. The same party that gave us the 1960 election?
So are the Dems simply encouraging Dems to vote in the Repub primary? Or are they up to their usual tricks of picking up homeless folks, plying them with cigs, beer, and $5 and driving them to polling stations to vote?
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I’d vote for A Republican BUT I am ALLERGIC to NUTS.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:09 am
Thulsa – If you say so, it must be true.
Georgia on Newt's mind
February 28th, 2012
11:11 am
Boy does Newt look tired…I saw him last night on television and he looks wore out…maybe he is doing too much traveling….for an old guy he gotta slow down….
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
11:12 am
How is it that in the dead of winter, for the first time ever, my electric bill is higher than my gas bill (by like 50%)??? What’s wrong with Georgia Power anyway??
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:12 am
irRATIONAL,
I didn’t say it. The O man did. And it wasn’t “out of context”. Its very clear and evident where he stands on fossil fuels. All ya have to do is open yer eyes and quit making excuses for the man.
gm
February 28th, 2012
11:12 am
If Mitt loses he has no one to blame but his campign managers, I mean you go to Mich bash the bailout which saved thousands of jobs, bash the unions who house holds has 1 out 3 are union members.
Instead of admiting the bail out worked, but we could have done something a little different thank god America is back, this rich idiot comes out bashing Detroit bashing Obama, those people took a pay cut Mitt something you have not done in years”””
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
11:12 am
“Obama said what he said”
world – and I do mean a WORLD – of difference between him talking about prices at the pump and the effects of cap and trade …
so, he may have said what he said – he just didn’t say it about what YOU say he said it about.
Midori
February 28th, 2012
11:13 am
question: how many here actually get food stamps?
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
11:14 am
“Yes” — President Obama
Ok, tea leaves readers: what did he say that about?
ByteMe
February 28th, 2012
11:15 am
how many here actually get food stamps
Ooooh, philately check!
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
11:15 am
The man is simply against fossil fuels plain and simple.
There’s a problem with this?
I guess Doom likes being beholden to countries which are predominantly Muslim.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:15 am
If liberals hated America,
You hate nuts? That’s why I got plenty a beer, weed, mad dog, lotto tickets, and cash for ya. You can join my activist liberal protest army. We gonna make the OWS thugs look like boy scouts. Of course them boy scout fellers are pretty bad people too according to the ACLU. I’ll try to think of a better, nice example than them there mean ole boy scout folks.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:16 am
Something tells me Joe Mama is busy writing me another essay.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
11:17 am
Boy, this global warming is nice. Another February day of 60degree + temps?
mmm, mmm, mmm, Barack the Liar Obama - BEND OVER, Here comes the CHANGE!
February 28th, 2012
11:18 am
Chicken Little you are….get back with me AFTER the republican convention.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:18 am
Oh lawdy the food stamp folk are mad now. Doomy in biiiiiig trouble now.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:20 am
Finn McCool,
May want to check with the Europeans who suffered through a brutal winter where several places set alltime cold weather temp records. And change it back to climate change since the global warming crap wouldn’t apply to their winter over yonder.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:20 am
TD
Good morning. Since Kerry’s service and comments in regards to Vietnam keep you up at night, please enlighten us to how you served. Tell us how YOU did it right and said the right things after you came back from your war tour.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:24 am
TBS,
It aint about me. My service was honorable. One thing is for sure though. I didn’t come back and denigrate the other troops still over there like a true POS. And I didn’t throw medals and ribbons over the gate to the white house grounds in a protest. Of course I wasn’t of age during vietnam. Aint no defending this POS try as people might.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:25 am
godless: And since no Democrats have jobs, they don’t have any desire to see lower gas prices.
Nice swipe, I take that as a joke.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:25 am
TD
That’s what I thought…….
Thanks for the reply
getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:25 am
willard stabbed Detroit in the back and deserves to lose .
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
11:26 am
It’s all about the horse race – no substance.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:27 am
Thulsa: Find any non-factual stuff off of Media Matters yet?
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:28 am
TBS,
You’re welcome.
Matti
February 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Finn McCool,
We’re in for an awfully buggy summer. Get the spray carcinogens out; we’re gonna need them just to step outside!
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:30 am
The band warms up the crowd for Mitt Romney’s Michigan concession speech?
Nearer, my Mittens, to Thee, nearer to Thee!
E’en though it be a Newt that reameth me,
Still all my song shall be, nearer, my Mittens, to Thee.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:32 am
Thulsa – Say what you want, but when you take a quote out of context and try to make it about one thing when it was actually about another, you lose whatever shred of credibility you had. But hey, like I said, I guess it must be true because you said so!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Adam,
I’m sorry. I didn’t realize I was your research arm or that I owe you anything. But I’ll give you a freebie anyway. Here’s a whole boatload of links for you to research. And also check out the media research center’s stuff on media matters. But then again I don’t expect you to read any of this with the same credibility that you give kook left media matters so I could just be wasting an education on you.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=media%20matters%20lies&PQ=media%20matters%20lies&SP=1&QS=AS&SK=&sc=9-18&form=CPNTSS&pc=CPNTDF
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Mitt Romney: “I’m Not A NASCAR Buff, Just Friends With Team Owners’
hot dam thas funny
All he needs is a “release the hounds” moment, and really, he’s Monty Burns.
John Birch
February 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Still last week’s gallup poll had Romney and Santorum dead even with Obama for the general election. $5 gas or a little increase in unemployment and Obama will join Jimmy Carter in the one and done Dem club. Be afraid Dems, be very afraid.
Lakeisha Jackson
February 28th, 2012
11:34 am
The Facebook page for the Rachel Maddow Show is urging all Michigan Democrats to go out and vote for Rick Santorum, since it’s an open primary. Shows you whom the Democrats want to avoid running against, doesn’t it?
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:35 am
irrational,
For the last time sir. There’s nothing taken out of context. The man said what he said. You just don’t like that he’s busted so your natural inclination is to say he was taken out of context. Your credibility with me is sinking like the titanic.
BADA BING
February 28th, 2012
11:35 am
Gonna look like a scene from the Titanic? You mean like every day in the US for the last few years? They would have to raise the Titanic in order to sink it.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:35 am
Lakeisha
Guess you forget that Rush and other on the right were doing the same thing during the Democratic Primary in 08……
Don’t be the pot………
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Well, if Mr. Mormon Underpants loses Michigan it’s his own fault. You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, you don’t spit in the wind, you don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger, and you don’t tell hundreds of thousands of people that depend on the auto industry to go suck it, like you’re No. 1 Foxy Lady. Folks ain’t keen on people that threaten their job.
Anyhow, we’ll put the stop to Romney down here in the South. Us Southreners ain’t going to stand for no Mormon for President. Better we have a immoral old skunk like Newt than a Mormon. At least Newt’s Christian—sort of. Most of us Southreners don’t consider Catholics to be Christian, but at least he ain’t Mormon. Not that we’re prejudiced or anything like that.
Have a good Tuesday everybody.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Thulsa: Find any non-factual stuff off of Media Matters yet?
and while you’re at it, care to explain just what’s “kook left” about Mike Luckovich’s world-view, since this is, I believe, the third time I’ve asked you nicely?
Jefferson
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Birch I hope your gas is high and your vehicle MPG is bad, that’s what you get for wishing bad things on Americans. You are making duckhead comments.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:37 am
The Facebook page for the Rachel Maddow Show is urging all Michigan Democrats to go out and vote for Rick Santorum, since it’s an open primary. Shows you whom the Democrats want to avoid running against, doesn’t it?
Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh? Maybe he should have had his minions go out and vote for Obama instead.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:38 am
Thulsa – Ask anyone here, I’m pretty fair in my criticisms of everyone, and by no means a fan of Obama. The quote you are referencing comes from a speech he made that USinUK referenced about an hour ago. It was about Cap and Trade and in specific reference to energy costs as they’re related to power. What you say could be true, but it isn’t proven so by the quote you and others continually reference.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:38 am
dB
Another wild goose chase trying to get an explanation, huh?
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:39 am
Still last week’s gallup poll had Romney and Santorum dead even with Obama for the general election.
Cite, please. I’ve NEVER seen any head-to-head polling that had Man-on-Dog within shouting distance of our Uppity Preznit.
(And I’m at Gallup pretty compulsively, don’t see anything like that, there.(
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Bro – I’m not sure that it was so much who they were afraid of running against so much as who they thought would have been the better choice. At least that is why I voted for Hilary in 2008. I looked at all the candidates, both Democrat and Republican, and decided she was the most qualified and the best choice.
Peadawg
February 28th, 2012
11:40 am
“The Facebook page for the Rachel Maddow Show is urging all Michigan Democrats to go out and vote for Rick Santorum, since it’s an open primary. Shows you whom the Democrats want to avoid running against, doesn’t it?” – Smart politics. No way Santorum beats Obama. He’ll the the crazy far-right bible-thumpers but that’s it.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Another wild goose chase trying to get an explanation, huh?
TD has shown some modest inclinations toward rationality at times. I’d like to think he’s at least capable of acknowledging when he’s gone a bit far, as he clearly did by calling Mike a “kook left”ie.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:41 am
What you say could be true, but it isn’t proven so by the quote you and others continually reference.
Eventually the sheer volume at which that quote is repeated will make it true regardless to whether it’s true or not. On second thought, it is already “true” based on the repetition clause. That’s why it’s repeatedly used.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:41 am
Adam – “Thulsa: Find any non-factual stuff off of Media Matters yet?”
The entire site by it’s nature is non-factual because it only reports one side of the story. What is so hard to understand that only hearing one side of the story is in fact a lie of omission. Media Matters is the Left’s version of Fox news.
Peadawg
February 28th, 2012
11:41 am
BTW…how about all those wrecks last night and a jet dryer blowing up?
Oh…was there also a race somewhere in between?
Best Daytona 500 ever. They need to ateast move the 500 to Sunday night.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:42 am
Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh?
This very month, it was, in 2008. for those who’ve forgotten…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:42 am
(ir)Rational
In 2008, I put McCain ahead of Clinton and Obama. Once the VP selections were made, I realized McCain had a snowballs chance in Mt. Vesuvius of winning the election.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
11:42 am
Byteme 11:12 you want the real answer?
getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Great speech at the UAW convention.
Our President did not stab them in the back like willard.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Bro – Thanks for explaining that for me. I guess I should apologize to Thulsa for wanting the actual truth, and not realizing that his truth had become true simply by the fact that it had been repeated often enough.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
dB
Yeah, I’d assume you would get something concrete from TD as opposed to your previous person of interest.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
“The entire site by it’s nature is non-factual because it only reports one side of the story”
It does indeed…it identifies, verifies, and quotes the WRONG stuff and lies coming from the left. You think some balance is needed, start your own site that does what they do for the “other side” They don’t make any claim to be “fair and balanced” – but then, there IS no balance when exposing lies and misinformation.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Media Matters is the Left’s version of Fox news.
Really? You mean Media Matters is a 24/7 news channel, included with virtually everyone’s basic cable package? and claims to be “Fair and Unbiased”, and says “We report, you decide?”
nice try, but ’tis apples:oranges.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Thulsa: You know, I clicked on your link, which is a search result list. I found that glennbeck.com was the first result. Of course I do not consider him credible, considering how many lies he put out regarding “liberals” in the first place. He asserts that Media Matters was “caught in a web of lies” but fails to make his case. Another “article” indicates Media Matters lied about Obama speaking against a Supreme Court decision as “unprecedented” claiming the case wasn’t made. I read all of it and disagree, I do see Media Matters making their case, and I don’t see a refutation of any of the source material used to make that case.
So again, where is the non-factual information? If all you can do is link me to a list that doesn’t have a single solid refutation then I must assume you have not found any single non-factual claim made by Media Matters – EVER. Surely this cannot be true….
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Steve Usa- You would think he would figure that out. He hasn’t.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
Bro
While I had it Clinton, McCain then Obama
McCain sounded sensible for awhile then he went too far right to solidify the base and picked Palin…….. That was all she wrote
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
(ir)Rational @ 11:43
No problem. That also explains why I have a mouth full of gold, drive a Cadillac with 30″ rims, live in the projects, and have 8 kids by 10 different baby mommas.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
OOPS! Doing too many things at once! This: It does indeed…it identifies, verifies, and quotes the WRONG stuff and lies coming from the left – should be:
“It does indeed…it identifies, verifies, and quotes the WRONG stuff and lies coming from the RIGHT”
mm
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
“Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh? ”
As I’ve said many times, the righties love to throw stones. They just never can seem to remember they live in a glass house.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:46 am
just so it’s clear…
http://mediamatters.org/p/about_us/
Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:46 am
Bro – McCain was somewhere around 4th or 5th on my list. After he chose Palin, I couldn’t hold my nose and vote for him in the general election either.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:47 am
Adam
Do you look at “media matters” that often? While certainly making good points to right leaning bias, they do have their own bias as well.
Check out “newsbusters”….. It is the right wing version of “mediamatters”. They point out left leaning bias; however it will not take long to see that it is one sided.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:48 am
Bro – If you sold that mouthful of gold, you could probably move out of the projects. Gotta say, that is impressive that you had 8 kids from 10 different mothers. Must be that project math.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:48 am
Thulsa@11:44
Yeah Doggone said Media Matters corrects the LEFT. I think he is confused.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
11:49 am
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:24 am
At least I’m glad you said you weren’t of age during Viet Nam. It makes the rest of what you said easier to take.
You have no idea what the political decisions made by Johnson and Nixon did to the troops in country. Our government gave up on winning almost from the start. Johnson wanted so bad not to be the “only US President to lose a war, that he and his cronies micromanaged it into a self-fulfilled prophecy of doom. Nixon used the war to get elected twice.
I spent three tours in country and I can tell you for a fact that the only “winning” to be done was survive your tour and go home.
I joined Kerry’s Viet Nam Veterans Against The War after I got out and I threw my ribbon/medals over the White House wall too. I did so because I had the right to do so and I wanted more than life to put an end to that stupid, stupid war. Over 58,000 wasted American lives…and for nothing.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:49 am
“they do have their own bias as well”
Such as?
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Stands,
Just so it’s clear….only examining one side of a story is dishonest. Spin that however you want it.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Steve: The entire site by it’s nature is non-factual because it only reports one side of the story. What is so hard to understand that only hearing one side of the story is in fact a lie of omission. Media Matters is the Left’s version of Fox news.
Oh, I see, so if someone analyzes Fox News and Glenn Beck and so on, find them to be lying or just plain wrong about something, put a list of all the things they said and then a list of all the FACTS that show they are wrong, that’s JUST one side of the story. We need to balance that with…. what, exactly?
How is taking fact, and then showing the “other side of the story” in any way balanced?
You don’t get to say that facts are “just one side of the story.” Facts are facts. We need to stop pitting flat earthers against round earthers and calling it a “debate.”
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
@getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Great speech at the UAW convention.
Our President did not stab them in the back like willard.
**********************************************************************************
VOTING is like driving a CAR.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Chose (D) to move forward.
American Auto Industry is BACK.
ZOOM ZOOM……..
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Adam,
Read all those links Adam. You’ll find plenty of non-factual information. Just saying they aren’t doesn’t make it so. For God’s sake son do you want me to do your reading and thinking for you? Never mind. Media matters does that for you.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
“only examining one side of a story is dishonest”
so it’s dishonest to point out the dishonesty of someone? Interesting take on it.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:51 am
Do you look at “media matters” that often?
No, but I’m starting to. Anything that has conservatives in this much of a tizzy must be pretty harmful to their agenda. And so far I don’t see the left leaning bias as an impediment to their factual claims.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:52 am
(ir)rational
Bro is already out of the projects…….. He is section 8 in a 350k bungalow and the government has steaks delivered to his house……………for free
Figured since several bloggers on here have stories of how they know someone who know someone who is a trillionaire off of government handouts… we may as well jazz this one up as well
Bro…….. Sorry to reveal all of your secrets
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
11:52 am
Doom — “Begin the enlightenment perfesser of knowitallogy.”
By all means.
Yesterday, you said: “And quite frankly even if what media matters version of what happened even were true it would pale in comparison to John Kerry’s lies about personal knowledge of American soldiers raping, killing in a fashion reminiscent of ghengis kahn.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/02/27/obamas-poker-instincts-on-view-in-presidency/?cp=9#comment-878895
And then you quoted Kerry, but you did so pretty creatively. Had you included the previous paragraph, it would have been clear that Kerry as not speaking from personal experience, but that he was relating what he had *heard other veterans testify to under oath back in the US.*
“I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command….”
“They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.”
It’s pretty clear that Kerry’s relating what he was told by others, not things he saw or has “personal knowledge” of, as you falsely claimed. And if you want to call those claims or atrocities “lies,” then be honest and go after the persons who actually *made* those claims. You ought to be able to find their names from the Detroit proceedings Kerry spoke of. Of course, in this case, I don’t think you’re looking for the truth as much as you’re looking for a easy opportunity to slag on a Democrat you apparently don’t like.
So tell us, Doom – what “personal knowledge” did Kerry “lie” about? Inquiring minds want to know.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:52 am
Adam,
You cliches are getting boring. Some day in the future you will realize the earth is round and getting biased news from the Left is as stupid as getting biased news from the Right.
You think you are on the high road but you travel on the same road as the people you claim to detest.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
11:53 am
““Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh? ”
I wouldn’t be surprised but you have a link to prove that. Republicans has their own contested primary then.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:53 am
TBS – You think he could teach me? My wife is a mixture of Hispanic, Jewish and Cherokee. That’s gotta count for something right?
gadem
February 28th, 2012
11:53 am
So if Gingrich wins the nomination, will Adelson be his running mate? I really wish Adelson would throw his money away over my way…I mean I have just a good a chance of winning as Newt.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
(ir)Rational
I am a member of the Benevolent Protective Order of Wangsmen International.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
Doom — “Something tells me Joe Mama is busy writing me another essay.”
Joe Mama was having lunch. Essays may be difficult and time-consuming for you to write, but they don’t take me long at all.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
Jm – Go back a page or two, a link was actually provided for that.
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
Obama at the UAW convention says:
“The auto industry is back.
IT’S TIME TO KEEP OUR FOOT ON THE GAS.
We can’t afford to GO BACK.”
I SAY:
VOTING is like driving a CAR.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Chose (D) to move forward.
Zoom Zoom………………………………………………
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:55 am
Adam
While mediamatters calls out stories from more than just Fox, just like newsbusters on the right… they seem to concentrate on the editorials and commentary………. Not much straight news. Notice they do not call out Shep Smith from Fox that often or at all. He is straight news or pretty close.
I have been to both mediamatters and newsbusters numerous times, they are just the opposite sides of the same coin
But to each his or her own
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:55 am
Thulsa: Read all those links Adam. You’ll find plenty of non-factual information. Just saying they aren’t doesn’t make it so. For God’s sake son do you want me to do your reading and thinking for you? Never mind. Media matters does that for you.
I read most of them and continue to do so, and so far, not a single refutation of fact. Just “Well they are left leaning” or “there’s bias” or “they used the WRONG facts.”
While there might be a small amount of merit to that last one, not a single one of these links has yet demonstrated an actual lie from Media Matters. If you have found one that you think demonstrates otherwise, you are free to share it and also free to point out the part you find relevant.
But really, I don’t know why you bother. You know I’m right, that their information IS factual and you’re just flailing and mad because you don’t want it to be true.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:56 am
Bro – I’m not even sure I want to know what that means.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:56 am
They BOTH
DANG IT!!!! Now I gotta move again. I have been eyeing this crib up in Sugarloaf though. Mama next door is smokin’!!
getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:56 am
For those that could not see the end of the race, it was politics that won it for Matt.
Biffle refused to push Jr. after Jr. pushed him because Matt cussed him out for not being a team player.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:57 am
“While mediamatters calls out stories from more than just Fox, just like newsbusters on the right… they seem to concentrate on the editorials and commentary”
They call out lies and misinformation. Those can, a do, occur in both straight news and in opinion columns. But much less often in straight news, so there’s not as much to “catch”.
Or are you saying that Shep Smith DOES tell lies and give misinformation and Media Matters is ignoring it?
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:57 am
ir(Rational)
I’m half Hispanic (Panamanian) and do not have the secret code to get in myself……………..
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:57 am
Thulsa: they seem to concentrate on the editorials and commentary………. Not much straight news. Notice they do not call out Shep Smith from Fox that often or at all. He is straight news or pretty close.
And your point would be….?
They focus on what’s actually a lie or misinformation. Why, then, would they go after “straight news”?
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:58 am
“they do have their own bias as well”
Such as?
DGA, I think that “about us” quote I cited @11.46 makes it clear that they do have a bias. There’s NOTHING wrong with that, but they do specifically say that they “monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for CONSERVATIVE misinformation”.
They don’t claim to point out media misinformation wherever it may appear, and that’s not just to the exclusion of liberal views, but of any number of other fact-checking missions that could embark upon in the universe
Just so it’s clear….only examining one side of a story is dishonest. Spin that however you want it.
Steve, by that yardstick ANY organization that advocates on behalf of a particular orientation is “dishonest.” That’s a pretty broad definition; you’d have to say as well that (for instance) all churches are “dishonest”, all charities are “dishonest,” etc.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:58 am
(ir)Rational
Just think Leon Phelps, “The Ladies Man”.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:59 am
bleh… meant to write
any number of other fact-checking missions that ONE could embark upon in the universe
sorry, tryin’ to multitask and not managing so well.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
VOTING is like driving a CAR.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Chose (D) to move forward.
I can’t believe the Dems have never used that, before.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
“but they do specifically say that they “monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for CONSERVATIVE misinformation”.”
That is not a “bias” though, it’s simply a limited area of concentration. To me, a “bias” would be what they are FINDING, not what they are doing. There’s no law that says they HAVE to monitor both sides. Bias is SLANTING information. They identify lies and misinformation, they don’t REPORT news, so they don’t slant it.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
Steve: Some day in the future you will realize the earth is round and getting biased news from the Left is as stupid as getting biased news from the Right.
You think you are on the high road but you travel on the same road as the people you claim to detest.
You know, I already get that just going to left leaning sources is a bad idea. But I am not going to go to right leaning sources either. I do not find that it balances my viewpoint at all. Instead, I am fed lies or misinformation more often, today, from the right than from the left. As far as commentary goes, I make every effort to hear politicians speak for themselves BEFORE going to any nightly news program to see what the commentary is, and certainly before going to Media Matters.
My cliche might be boring you, but here’s the thing: You know I’m right. A “debate” between people who have the facts and people who are all about how they just don’t trust or like those facts is not a debate.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
oops, again, sorry about my post @ 12.000, looks like they have used it…
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/obamas-latest-joke-republicans.html
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
Doggone
I’m saying that Shep Smith is not providing commentary (built in bias and opinion: Haniity, Oreilly and the morning show on Fox is NOT news) so they do not have much to call out. The one’s they mainly call out are providing commentary sold as news.
Newsbusters does the same with Maddow and Oberman. They are giving opinion, so the chances of the entire picture being presented is slim
I can’t speak for every show or person, so I’m sure lies are told.
The WH should not be directly involved with mediamatters, no more than Bush having all the top radio pundits at the WH to discuss talking points
That is all I’m saying.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:02 pm
“I can’t believe the Dems have never used that, before”
Well, this one’s close: “We don’t want to take our country BACK, we want to move it FORWARD”
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:02 pm
stands: I can’t believe the Dems have never used that, before.
Ummmmm….. sarcasm, yes?
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
LUNCH
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
TBS – I figured, with her having 3 minorities coming in from all sides (both sets of grandparents have Cherokee and Spanish blood), she should be able to get the code(s) she needs. I keep telling her it would help get some scholarships for law school.
Bro – I had to look that one up, cause I still didn’t have a clue.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
Hey zoom zoom
Mazda isn’t an American manufacturer
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
Same spit, different year. Lil’ Kim is all butthurt about Team Spirit or whatever we’re calling it these days.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46547003/ns/world_news-christian_science_monitor/
I seem to recall the same shrieking crazoid threats from his dad (or maybe it was his grandfather) back when I went to Korea to participate in this annual exercise.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:05 pm
That is not a “bias” though, it’s simply a limited area of concentration.
fair enough… we all define words (particularly the very loaded ones, like “bias”, or “dishonesty”) to our own liking.
I’ll stand by the work MMA does, mind you. Although in a way they’re almost too good–I feel almost as if I don’t have to listen to Rush or Sean, or watch Fox & Fiends, any more because they’ll snag all the good bits for me.
Maybe it’s just as well; I’m already probably in the hole for a thousand hours or so of my life spent monitoring this crap that I’ll never get back.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
It gets a little tiring when the Left throws out the save the auto industry card. I don’t know a Republican that wanted a single auto associated company to go out of business. Our big objection is how it was done, especially putting unions ahead of bond holders. There is no evidence that had the companies proceeded with normal bankruptcy they would have gone out of business. Look at Delta, it went bankrupt completely without government help and has prospered.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
(ir)Rational
You haven’t seen “The Ladies Man” before?? Tim Meadows did that character on SNL. One of the funniest skits had Florence Henderson and Tiffany Theissen battling over who was the bigger skank of the two of them. You’ll have to find it and check it out when you get a chance.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
Ummmmm….. sarcasm, yes?
not on my part–believe it or not, I’d never heard that one!
Normal
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
jm,
I believe that Mazda is owned by Ford…
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
Steve-USA
I think doggone had what’s called a Freudian slip. Don’t mind her none. She’s confused about a lot of things. One of the funniest things I’ve ever read on here was when she claimed that a weaker dollar meant we could buy more stuff. You see some funny things on here but the funniest is when libs try talking economics. They’re much better off just sniping.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
ir(Rational)
On a serious note, their are numerous programs out there that fit almost any and every demographic. I’m sure law school is expensive. Good luck to both of you in navigating those financial obstacles. One way or another, I’m sure your wife will achieve her goal
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
JohnnyReb — “I don’t know a Republican that wanted a single auto associated company to go out of business. Our big objection is how it was done, especially putting unions ahead of bond holders.”
If a company goes bankrupt, don’t bond holders become unsecured creditors?
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:08 pm
Bro – You seem shocked that I didn’t see a movie like that that came out when I was 15.
If Tiffany Theissen is in one of the sketches trying to look skanky, I’ll be looking that up during lunch. 
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
Energy Secretary Steven Chu notably said “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe” to make Americans trade in their “love affair with the automobile” for a marriage to mass transit.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/want-gas-prices-higher-lower-193029238.html
That would be Obama’s energy secretary….
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
Normal,
Just out of curiosity what made you do 3 tours in Nam? I was under the impression that if you’re a ground troop you only had to do 1 year tour.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
(ir)Rational
I might have been around 15 when Porky’s came out. Then again, I was quite adept at gaining access to things like that when I should not have had access to them.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
TBS – Yeah, we’re just taking care of it with loans. She is rocking it though, so I’m proud of her for that. I just like to kid her about that stuff and bug her about why she didn’t get more scholarships.
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
It gets a little tiring when the Left throws out the save the auto industry card. I don’t know a Republican that wanted a single auto associated company to go out of business. Our big objection is how it was done, especially putting unions ahead of bond holders. There is no evidence that had the companies proceeded with normal bankruptcy they would have gone out of business. Look at Delta, it went bankrupt completely without government help and has prospered.
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Yep, there in a nutshell is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. It also makes me think Jamvets little handle yesterday was spot on.
Company goes bankrupt:
REPUBLICAN WAY: LAWYERS GET PAID, PREFERRED STOCKHOLDERS GET PAID, STOCKHOLDERS GET PAID, CREDITORS GET PAID, WORKERS GET F’ED. THEY GET NOTHING. NO PAY FOR THE WORK THEY DI. ZERO.
The Democrat bail out way: Workers get paid.
How terrible, the people who did the work were put first. The ones who sweated and bled to put out a product got paid. The speculators and scum sucking lawyers? not so much.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
Normal ford owns a whopping 3.5%
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:13 pm
Bro – I lived about 40 miles from the nearest theater, and didn’t have any friends old enough to drive me. Having said that, I was about 15 or 16 and my mom had gone out of town for the weekend with my sister, and my dad “educated” me with the Porky’s movies and Animal House. Good weekend.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
jm, you want to at least TRY to provide some context for that 2008 quote?
like, say, this?
http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122904040307499791.html
the next administration will face a range of obstacles on the energy front, from plummeting oil prices and a declining economy to potential rifts among Mr. Obama’s own advisers.
In a sign of one major internal difference, Mr. Chu has called for gradually ramping up gasoline taxes over 15 years to coax consumers into buying more-efficient cars and living in neighborhoods closer to work.
“Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,” Mr. Chu, who directs the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory in California, said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal in September.
September. 2008. Two months before Obama was even elected, fercryinoutloud.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
I was Navy and my reasons were voluntary but personal.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
“of the funniest things I’ve ever read on here was when she claimed that a weaker dollar meant we could buy more stuff.”
But you couldn’t refute it.
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
Brocephus: I may be mistaken but I think you were about 8 when Porky’s came out lol. (1982).
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
12:15 pm
JohnnyReb
If I’m not mistaken……. Delta accepted government funds in 2002
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
VOTING is like driving a CAR.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Chose (D) to move forward.
But the clown car is so much funnier when its goin backwards
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
(ir)Rational
That sounds like one cool assed dad!!!
—————————
Fred
I don’t remember exactly how old I was, but I know I wasn’t old enough to be watching and listening to what I observed.
Junior Samples
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
no chance of bush being considered the worst prez ever. obama has that one locked up …even overtaking jimmy.
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
“September. 2008. Two months before Obama was even elected”
thats why he picked him silly
u r not good at putting facts together are you.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
Adam,
As TBS said there really isn’t that much difference between hard news on fox vs hard news on say abc. Its the pundits such as Maddow, Olberman, Oreilly, Hannity that have the skewed views and everyone kinda knows that- its self evident. Your perception that leftist pubs and pundits are closer to the truth than right wing ones is just your biased perception.
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:17 pm
Bro: And yet nowadays you can see the same thing on network tv…………
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:17 pm
Normal ford owns a whopping 3.5%
and why do you have to be such a frickin’ jackass about this? Ford once owned 33.4% of Mazda, near as I can tell that was true between 1996 and 2008, so Normal’s presumption isn’t that egregious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda#Partnership_with_Ford_Motor_Company
Normal
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
jm,
In 1997 Ford owned nearly 35% of Mazda.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
thats why he picked him silly
he understands supply and demand? This is a bad thing, why?
I’m so old I can remember when you weren’t a complete turd on the issue of energy policy. Sad what’s become of you.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
Beat me to it Stands, but thanks…
Erwin's cat
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
Adam – “facts” can be bias or presented that way
Fact 1: The horse doesn’t see so well
Fact 2: The horse is stone blind
2 “facts” about the same horse
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:18 pm
doom – hang onto that chu quote for future reference.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:19 pm
Doom — “I was under the impression that if you’re a ground troop you only had to do 1 year tour.”
Nam was before my time, too, but some guys volunteered for additional tours of duty.
There was a guy in my platoon in boot camp who was actually a Nam vet, who decided to re-up after over 15 years out of uniform. When we had our first Class A uniform inspection, all the old lifer NCOs in our battalion were looking at him VERY closely. Even the sergeant major asked him a lot of questions about his service.
Our senior drill sergeant saw the combat patch on his shoulder and said “damn, Private, you got something I ain’t even got!”
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:19 pm
“In 1997 Ford owned nearly 35% of Mazda.”
Things change.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
Bro – Yeah, my dad and I did that sort of thing every time my mom went out of town. We went out fishing, had really good (and by that I mean unhealthy) dinners, and watched movies that my mom wouldn’t approve of.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
“2 “facts” about the same horse”
Nope. If the first one is a fact (the truth) then the second is not a FACT, it’s a lie.
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
Junior Samples
February 28th, 2012
12:16 pm
no chance of bush being considered the worst prez ever. obama has that one locked up …even overtaking jimmy.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVKUSUL9dYA
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:20 pm
Fred
Sad, isn’t it. I can remember sneaking to watch HBO and Showtime after hours. Nowadays, you can see almost the same amount of skin on network tv.
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:21 pm
sfd 12:17 – that’s your spin pal. he’s technically correct, Ford does own Mazda. Just not very much of it.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
12:21 pm
Normal
February 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
I was Navy and my reasons were voluntary but personal.
Normal, we trust it wasn’t anything like the Village People song?
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:22 pm
Fact 1: The horse doesn’t see so well
Fact 2: The horse is stone blind
The two “facts” don’t even quite say the same thing. To say the horse doesn’t see well would imply there is some semblance of vision. Being stone blind would imply that there is no vision at all.
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:22 pm
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:17 pm
Normal ford owns a whopping 3.5%
and why do you have to be such a frickin’ jackass about this?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Are you serious? you are asking the poster child for jackassery why he has to be a jack ass lol? The one with the PhD in asshattery as well? He ALWAYS is.
Gale
February 28th, 2012
12:23 pm
Politics in this country is looking very much like the countries where the powers that be tell you what choice you have in your “free and open” democracy.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:23 pm
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:14 pm
“of the funniest things I’ve ever read on here was when she claimed that a weaker dollar meant we could buy more stuff.”
“But you couldn’t refute it.”- doggone
Doggone,
Uhhhh. Ummmm. Yes I did and will do so again. Not sure how to answer a statement so mindbogglingly incorrect. A weaker dollar means you can buy less goods. If the dollar falls everything we import becomes more expensive. It costs more to buy more of that Chinese crap at Walmart. Dollar denominated purchases of foreign oil would be more expensive. I’m not sure there is an economist alive who would disagree with the idea that a weaker dollar reduces purchasing power. At this point you are really looking superlative dumb. Why do you continously endeavor to make sense when you’ve never been able to do so previously. I think your time would be better spent banging your head against the wall.
Erwin's cat
February 28th, 2012
12:24 pm
Doggone – if the second one is true, so is the first
The Thin Guy
February 28th, 2012
12:25 pm
How bout some useful info. Is there a candidate on the March 6 Presidential Preference election on the demoncrap side running against The Indonesian Imbecile? Are you Jackass party types going to offer an American this time around? Should The Reign of Error by ØDumbø be extended to 8 years all Americans will envy the economy of Greece. Already there are predictions of the total breakdown of Western Civilization
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107315/Market-crash-street-riots-year-Americans-plan-economic-9-11.html
Who are you going to believe? Press releases from the DNC or your wallet?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:27 pm
Thin Guy — “Is there a candidate on the March 6 Presidential Preference election on the demoncrap side running against The Indonesian Imbecile? Are you Jackass party types going to offer an American this time around?”
You’re not looking for any serious replies, I see.
philman
February 28th, 2012
12:27 pm
GOP, how did you end up with 4 clowns in the race???
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:27 pm
Bro: I’m a terrible “censor.” My daughter will be 10 next month. I’ll let her watch or read any thing she wants. (well almost). Funny thing is, she’s just not interested in much that’s not PG. On ‘kissy scenes” she closes her eyes and says ewwwwwww, and scary scenes she just flat out won’t watch.
She watched all of Band of Brothers with me when she was 4 or 5 (maybe 6) and loved it. Now she won’t watch anything with blood or someone getting shot.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:27 pm
Time to go to lunch. Y’all have a good afternoon.
sam
February 28th, 2012
12:28 pm
can someone explain to me how the president controls/affects gasoline prices? I remember the same stuff during GWB’s terms…
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
Normal,
Okay. I was just trying to reconcile why someone who hated the Vietnam war to the point of protesting it would then voluntarily serve 2 more tours. It didn’t make any sense to me is all.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
Fred – If you let them make their own decisions, and remove the “stigma” from it, a lot of kids will make the “right” decision about that kind of thing. At least from my VERY limited experience of observing my cousins.
ken
February 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
And my Wife drives two Cadillacs………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
The Thin Guy
February 28th, 2012
12:25 pm
How bout some useful info. Is there a candidate on the March 6 Presidential Preference election on the demoncrap side running against The Indonesian Imbecile? Are you Jackass party types going to offer an American this time around? Should The Reign of Error by ØDumbø be extended to 8 years all Americans will envy the economy of Greece. Already there are predictions of the total breakdown of Western Civilization
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2107315/Market-crash-street-riots-year-Americans-plan-economic-9-11.html
Who are you going to believe? Press releases from the DNC or your wallet?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Complete nut case alert.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REvmhBO99I4
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:30 pm
Erwin: Neither of those are fact. Neither are “true.” They are a perception of what the reason is. Here’s the way those would read if they were facts:
1) The horse, does, in fact, have some vision but it is limited.
2) The horse is blind
Since those are ACTUALLY facts, one of them is true, one is not.
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:30 pm
I found a video clip of our new poster, Thin Man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaezjE1uJTw&feature=related
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
Back to LUNCH
philman
February 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
I am just jumping into the debate… who is this Newt dude? Is he from Washington?
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:31 pm
jm,
That chu quote???
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:32 pm
“Yes I did and will do so again. Not sure how to answer a statement so mindbogglingly incorrect”
Now that I have a moment to think about it, you actually misquoted me…why am I not surprised? I said a weaker dollar means we can SELL MORE. It makes American goods more attractive in the global market. As you so eloquently pointed out, even though you probably don’t realize it.
JOE COOL
February 28th, 2012
12:33 pm
-Wyoming legislator David Miller (R) introduces “doomsday” bill-
Wyoming Republican state legislator David Miller has introduced a bill to prepare his state for a doomsday scenario in which the nation’s economy and social structure completely collapse.
“Things happen quickly sometimes — look at Libya, look at Egypt, look at those situations,” Miller told the Star-Tribune. “We wouldn’t have time to meet as a Legislature or even in a special session to do anything to respond.”
Man, gotta love them CONs!!
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
12:34 pm
@Jm
February 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
Hey zoom zoom
Mazda isn’t an American manufacturer
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Partnership with Ford Motor CompanyMazda’s financial difficulties during the 1960s resulted in a new corporate investor, Ford Motor Company. Starting in 1979 with a 7-percent financial stake, Ford began a partnership with Mazda resulting in various joint projects. During the 1980s, Ford gained another 20-percent financial stake. These included large and small efforts in all areas of the automotive landscape. This was most notable in the realm of pickup trucks (like the Mazda B-Series, which spawned a Ford Courier variant in North America in 1972) and smaller cars. For instance, Mazda’s Familia platform was used for Ford models like the Laser and Escort, while the Capella architecture found its way into Ford’s Telstar sedan and Probe sports models. In 2002 Ford gained an extra 5-percent financial stake.
AM I LIBERAL OR JUST WELL EDUCATED?
Erwin's cat
February 28th, 2012
12:34 pm
Adam,
you had to rewrite the “facts” to prove your point, which makes mine
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:34 pm
ken — “And my Wife drives two Cadillacs………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
At the same time, even.
Bruno
February 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
JohnnyReb, if the nominee is Romney, he cannot make the argument against ObamaCare. I mean, this is the man who insisted that his official portrait as governor of Massachusetts include a copy of his health-insurance reform plan. He cannot credibly turn around and condemn Obama for following his example.
Jay–As I’m sure you’re well aware, Romney is proposing a revocation of ObamaCare from a states’ rights standpoint. Somewhat of a stretch, but at this point I don’t care what the reasoning is.
This game of politics is not very much fun anymore and there is so much at stake for the future of this country. I’m ok, my family will be ok, but the children, what will they be looking at in 20, 30 years?
Mick–As far as I’m concerned, the National Debt should be the only campaign issue coming from either side. The numbers are out of control. We can’t keep spending more than we’re bringing in. We’ve got a $38,000 budget on a $29,000 income, with $158,000 already on the credit card.
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:36 pm
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ForDEMOCRATSonly
February 28th, 2012
12:36 pm
Check into how much the MEDIA MATTERS CEO chief paid his ex live-in boyfriend to keep his mouth shut. Don’t worry HUF POST, or the AJC won’t cover it.
Let me save you demos the time – $850.000.00
I should have known that guy was a “little light in the loafers”
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:38 pm
Doom – this
Energy Secretary Steven Chu notably said “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe” to make Americans trade in their “love affair with the automobile” for a marriage to mass transit.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:38 pm
“if the second one is true, so is the first”
Nope, it isn’t. If the second one is true the horse can’t see at all. The first is stating that it CAN see, just not very well. There’s quite a big difference between being blind and having limited vision. They can’t both be true. The horse can’t both see and not see at the same time. One of them is a lie.
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
“AM I LIBERAL OR JUST WELL EDUCATED?”
Liberal. Those are mutually exclusive, incompatible traits. See Venn diagram for help understanding.
BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS
February 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
LIBS, PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND -this is a throw away election for the repubs. they(the pary power brokers), don’t care who the candidate is. 2012 is to purge the party of the all the has beens’ and wanabes’. the prize is 2016 with some new blood against whomever the dems think can win for them. an obama win this year makes a repub win in 2016 a done deal.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:40 pm
Doggone,
If you are going to outright lie you should at least make it a lie that you can’t get so easily busted on.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:32 pm
“Yes I did and will do so again. Not sure how to answer a statement so mindbogglingly incorrect”- Doom
Now that I have a moment to think about it, you actually misquoted me…why am I not surprised? I said a weaker dollar means we can SELL MORE. It makes American goods more attractive in the global market. As you so eloquently pointed out, even though you probably don’t realize it.
Doggone/GA
August 16th, 2011
8:52 am
“and his policies have deflated our dollar”
Which is actually a GOOD thing. Gives the dollar more buying power on the world market.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:41 pm
Doggone,
What was that about misquoting you?
Erwin's cat
February 28th, 2012
12:42 pm
Doggone – Are you suggesting that a blind horse can see well?
If the horse is blind, then he can’t see so well either……
the point is “facts” can be presented with a bias and still be loosely defined as “fact”
Kiteman
February 28th, 2012
12:43 pm
The Republicans need a charismatic candidate who is not swayed by the detestable evangelical lobby. That could be Michael Bloomberg or Marco Rubio. Chris Christie, while OK in his politics, is simply too fat. The media will ahve a field day with him, trying to make him look like Fat Albert or Fat B—–d. Ron Paul was a logical choice politically. Unfortunately, the evangelical lobby did not approve. The Republican Party heads bend over backwards to satisfy them, even though their anti-intellectual politics don’t represent conservative principles by any means.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
12:43 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:29 pm
OK, I’ll tell you this much…I was an Army brat, taught red, white and blue. Dad was a WWII vet from Normandy to Berlin. I got a gut full of the goodness of America and her might and I believed it.
So, when I volunteered the first time, I felt it was my patriotic duty to go. My eyes were opened then and I felt betrayed, but after what was going on in The States at the time, I also felt that I didn’t belong anywhere else, so I volunteered again. My third tour was, for the most part, the same deal but I also felt that by going again, so other poor fool didn’t have to go. Can you understand that?
I still think that any war is the most stupid endeavor that mankind can do and always will, but most especially undeclared ones.
John Birch
February 28th, 2012
12:44 pm
stand for decibels – http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx
Romney +2 over obama, santorum -1. Have a swell day!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:44 pm
jm,
Thanks again. I had completely forgotten about that. Its hilarious. Here we have statements from Obama himself and from his energy secretary where they blatantly express that they want higher energy prices. Its right there for people to read and see with their own 2 eyes. And yet people still don’t believe it. Its nothing short of bizarre. That’s some powerful brainwashing going on there.
Bruno
February 28th, 2012
12:48 pm
Ooops, only $153,000 on the credit card:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/video/national/watch/28288921
Cosby
February 28th, 2012
12:49 pm
Yawn..to bad the electorial college is not operated a per the constitution and somehow a real statesman, leader is oput in charge…only clowns, eliteist, power hungry idiots that want to put all on the government plantation..but wait..that makes the citizens idiots…sad sad sad day in the USA!!
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:49 pm
Fred
If it’s not animated or on Nick Jr, my 3 year old isn’t very interested in watching it. One exception is police shows. I thought she was going to hurt me when I tried to turn it from Police Women of Broward County one day. We ended up watching a full day marathon.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:49 pm
Thulsa – You are correct. I did state it wrong. I do know the difference, but as I have already proven today I DO get things turned around when I try to state them.
A weaker dollar gives us greater selling power, not buying power.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:49 pm
Erwin: You falsely attributed the word “fact” to your explanation. You weren’t stating facts at all, both of those things are opinions.
So no, you did not make your point. For example, let’s look at what Media Matters does:
First, they state what someone said and back it up with a quoted source. Therefore, they start with a FACT that this person said this.
Then they take what was said and refute it, again with facts, by saying what other people and groups have said or done that is contrary to whatever statement they are targeting.
The WORST you can say about them is that they use buzz headlines to get you to start reading and a preamble that is “left leaning.”
So how exactly do you think your “point” even applies?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:50 pm
Normal — “So, when I volunteered the first time, I felt it was my patriotic duty to go. My eyes were opened then and I felt betrayed, but after what was going on in The States at the time, I also felt that I didn’t belong anywhere else, so I volunteered again. My third tour was, for the most part, the same deal but I also felt that by going again, so other poor fool didn’t have to go. Can you understand that?”
I’m an Army vet and younger than you, but I can understand. And I salute you for your service, your selflessness and your dedication, regardless of how you came to the decision to do three tours in Nam.
You’re a rare bird, you are.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:50 pm
Normal,
I don’t disagree with any of what you just said about war in general. And I don’t disagree with your protesting the war after you returned. My problem with Kerry is that he alleged things that he had no evidence of happening and to me this whole charade of his was nothing more than a publicity stunt to get elected in a liberal district. I just find this man shameful and a despicable POS. The man is on record in 3 different video clips with 3 different accounts of what he did with his ribbons and medals. He can’t even get his lies straight on a small thing such as what he did with his medals.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
“If the horse is blind, then he can’t see so well either”
If the horse is blind he can’t see AT ALL. He can’t both see and not see at the same time.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:51 pm
jm: Those are mutually exclusive, incompatible traits
Erwin, this is an example of a LIE. Just because it is his opinion does not mean it cannot be directly refuted.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:53 pm
Doggone: If the horse is blind he can’t see AT ALL. He can’t both see and not see at the same time.
It’s Schrodinger’s Horse.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:53 pm
doggone,
I accept that you just got it turned around. But being a lib and all ya know I just gotta mess with ya.
Erwin's cat
February 28th, 2012
12:53 pm
Adam and Doggone,
geez….never mind!
sometimes the blind don’t see so well
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:54 pm
Doom — “My problem with Kerry is that he alleged things that he had no evidence of happening”
Nope. He repeated what others had testified about in a hearing in Detroit. He didn’t allege anything.
DawgDad
February 28th, 2012
12:54 pm
“Top Republicans will let conservatives wake up to what they’ve done if mitt loses, prepare ardently for 2016, and focus on winning the senate.”
Top Republicans will need to wake up to what THEY’VE done and prepare to change or exit stage right. Some of these people are at odds with their voting base.
Remember where the Dems were in 2008 at this point. Their “inevitable” establishment candidate was in trouble, too, ultimately on her way to a Cabinet post.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:55 pm
Erwin: You used a bad example. Plus, you are saying things are facts that are not facts. I can understand why you might be confused, but do not expect those of us who know better to follow along.
A fact is something that can be verified to be true. An opinion is something that cannot be verified to be true, but can nevertheless be disproven sometimes. For example, if I say all conservatives are idiots, that might be my opinion, but it’s still not the truth. And it was NEVER a fact.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:55 pm
“to bad the electorial college is not operated a per the constitution ”
how is it not?
Erwin's cat
February 28th, 2012
12:56 pm
Adam 12:53
Bruno
February 28th, 2012
12:56 pm
If the horse is blind he can’t see AT ALL. He can’t both see and not see at the same time.
I guess no blog dispute too small to weigh in on:
Doggone–Though his wording was poor, EC is technically correct in his assertion. A horse which was blind would not qualify for the category of horses which saw well. Think about it from the Venn diagram perspective. Your return point that a horse which didn’t “see well” necessarily had some sight isn’t correct from a strict set-theory POV.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
12:59 pm
” this is an example of a LIE”
Incorrect. It was an example if a joke. Apparently over your Lilliputian head.
Erwin's cat
February 28th, 2012
12:59 pm
I must not speak “left” so well
between USinUK yesterday and this today, I must not be able to speak it at all
Jm
February 28th, 2012
1:01 pm
Adam, since I lied about you being Lilliputian, please do us a favor and refute it if you can.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
1:02 pm
I guess no blog dispute too small to weigh in on:
Bruno,
Now DAT was funny!!!!!
Bruno
February 28th, 2012
1:02 pm
Looks like this thread has played out.
So what’s next, a slam piece about Santorum or Newt?? Or will Jay go for the back-to-backer on Romney??
JOSE
February 28th, 2012
1:02 pm
Normal
You said:
I still think that any war is the most stupid endeavor that mankind can do and always will, but most especially undeclared ones.
What do you think the Jewish people who your dad helped liberate think about the Allies waging a stupid war that saved them?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
1:04 pm
Adam often wins arguments
But only when arguing with himself
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
1:04 pm
Jm @ 1:01,
Between you and Bruno I’m lmfao over here.
I wonder if Secretary Chu is lying.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
1:06 pm
TD
If Kerry used his service for political gain, so be it…
Bush Sr and Dole when running against Clinton ran commercials when speaking of their service.
Bush Jr accentuated his bravery of being in the Air National Garud when running sorties up and down the Gulf Coast and protecting Gulf Shores and Destin from being invaded by the Viet Cong. Heck he was so arrogant that he during the 88 or 92 convention he told a reporter that the war may have been different had he been there… You want to see the clip?
It is KERRY’s service, NOT anyone else’s. his experience and experience of those who served with and spoke to who served
Could he have embellished? sure. But you nor I were there. We do not know.
We do know that the SVBs main spokesmen went on tv to laugh about Kerry saying he was in Cambodia only for WH tapes to reveal that that same person told Nixon.. HE was in Cambodia himself. So we do know that disinformation was purposely directed at him……
You have your opinion, but lose no more sleep about it
Normal
February 28th, 2012
1:08 pm
JOSE
February 28th, 2012
1:02 pm
Jose,
Are you really that stupid?
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
1:08 pm
JOSE,
Conversely I wonder if the Tutsis in Rwanda think war would have been justified to save them as 800,000 of them and Hutu moderates were being slaughtered with hoes and machetes. I agree with normal to a point but I also agree that war is absolutely justified sometimes- “The only thing evil needs to flourish is for good men to stand by and do nothing.” And thankfully good men eventually quit standing by and doing nothing in WW2. Unfortunately they did stand by and do nothing in the case of Rwanda- or in Darfur today.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
1:09 pm
Jm: There is plenty of contrary evidence in many of my posts. You, on the other hand….
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
1:09 pm
TD
Have a great afternoon……… Have to drive up to Gwinnett Cty to meet with a client………. Don’t want to be accused of living off of Uncle Sam or anything like that
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
1:11 pm
TBS,
Trust me I don’t lose sleep over Kerry. But I read both sides of the argument and came to the conclusion that while the right is not fully accurate on his war svc I learned enough to know that I still find this man to be despicable. That’s enough about Kerry though. We don’t want to lose no sleep over him after all.
jm
February 28th, 2012
1:13 pm
ok, everyone other than a Hooverite should take a look at this and be: amused, annoyed, PO’d
http://animalnewyork.com/2012/02/the-department-of-homeland-security-is-searching-your-facebook-and-twitter-for-these-words/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
government hard at work. read to the bottom
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
1:13 pm
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
1:09 pm
TD
“Have a great afternoon……… Have to drive up to Gwinnett Cty to meet with a client”
Git going. I was just about to call you a parasite! Seriously though I knows what you mean. I been messing around too much this morning and need to get back to following up with some clients. Have a safe drive.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
1:14 pm
The president’s odds of re-election jumped to above 60 percent in the days after Santorum’s big wins on February 7, according to prediction markets. Since then they have steadily crept up; by contrast, Obama spent the fall and early winter hovering around 50 percent.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/republican-nomination-extends-march-candidates-face-weakening-odds-152347629.html
mwuahahahahahahahahaha
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 28th, 2012
1:16 pm
jm is on the paranoia train. Stock up your bomb shelter NOW!
Donna P.
February 28th, 2012
1:24 pm
As a Republican voter, the field to chose from this year sucks. I really don’t care if Obama wins re-election. I will still have a job and life will go on. I do feel sorry for those out of work; they will remain out of work until 2016. We must hold the House and possibly take the Senate! I’m hoping Romney will not run for President anymore after this year.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 28th, 2012
1:26 pm
Jay, what do you think about this?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/business/media/white-house-uses-espionage-act-to-pursue-leak-cases-media-equation.html?_r=3&ref=todayspaper
jm
February 28th, 2012
1:28 pm
donna
Romney would make a great president
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
1:30 pm
Posting again; well worth a bookmark IMO. I’ve been following this site since the 2004 election.
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
Click on the “Map algorithm explained” link just below the legend to see how they come to their conclusions. They update frequently, they use polls from most major polling groups (yes, Rasmussen is included) and they usually follow Senate and House races as well as Election Day gets closer.
If you don’t like this site, check out the guy’s FAQ. He includes a link to a competing site that perhaps you might like better.
Donna P.
February 28th, 2012
1:31 pm
Jm; Romney would make a great Democratic President. He is not a Republican.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
1:36 pm
Donna
If you think Obama is better than Romney, I’m not sure you’re a republican
And if you dint vote for Romney, you might as well vote for Obama
Romney and Obama are substantively miles apart
BigD
February 28th, 2012
1:37 pm
I laugh every time I read the crap that you Liberals line up every morning have Jay spoon feed you….whistling through the grave yard.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
1:39 pm
Jm — “If you think Obama is better than Romney, I’m not sure you’re a republican”
Careful there, Cowboy. It’s crap like you’re talking right now that ran me out of the GOP.
I’d say you’re going to need every vote and every donation dollar you can get if you plan to win in November.
Of course, if you *want* to be nasty to people who are already in your corner, knock yourself out. There are plenty of ex-Republicans like me who won’t be voting for the GOP nominee this fall.
Let's not count our chickens, K?
February 28th, 2012
1:43 pm
Finn – as much as I want President Obama to be reelected, and as much as I see ‘positive trends,’ I won’t let myself get complacent. Just yesterday Gallup released a poll showing Sticky Icky Santorum (aka, the little sweater vest that could) ahead of the President. Granted, it’s an outlier, and a puzzling one at that, but still.
Let’s let the Grand Old Regressive party continue to keep tripping all over themselves, and let’s help them along in their delusions by advancing the “Obama is beatable” them. K?
Thanks!
Paul
February 28th, 2012
1:44 pm
Donna P.
“Romney would make a great Democratic President. He is not a Republican.”
Why not? Is there some sort of litmus test for what constitutes a Republican?
If there is, would Reagan qualify as a Republican, if one looks at his record on tax increases, deficit spending and lack of church attendance?
“”I think every good Christian ought to kick (Rev) Falwell (cofounder of the Moral Majority) right in the ass.’
Barry Goldwater
Jm
February 28th, 2012
1:44 pm
Joe
Shes already said shes not voting
Helping her see the error in her logic is the goal
I get it if an indie goes for Obama
I have no ability to see why a republican would choose Obama over Romney
Let's not count our chickens, K?
February 28th, 2012
1:44 pm
oops. that was supposed to conclude with “…’Obama is beatable’ theme…”
Recon 0311 2533
February 28th, 2012
1:46 pm
Well I see Jay’s still playing that same fantasy blog topic. Okay some reality, RCP has Obama down in negative territory again, so his little bump in the polls hasn’t lasted very long. Gallup: down 7pts. and Rasmussen down 5pts.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
1:46 pm
Paul
I thought Thomas Jefferson said that
Let's not count our chickens, K?
February 28th, 2012
1:47 pm
@Jm re: “I have no ability to see why a republican would choose Obama over Romney.”
I’m not in the least bit surprised you lack ability, generally, and that ability, specifically. Since I’m in a kind and generous mood today, I’ll help you along: President Obama is a brilliant, decent and principled man. Romney said and did anything to make $$, and will say and do anything to get elected; clearly, he was successful as regards the former.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
1:56 pm
Recon
Jay only covers the ups, never the downs
getalife
February 28th, 2012
1:56 pm
If you are on statins, the FDA slapped a warning on them today.
sanitarium wants the dem votes.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
Jay only covers the ups, never the downs
Are you suggesting maybe that there should be, I don’t know, a LAW against this or something?
Jm
February 28th, 2012
1:57 pm
“Romney said and did anything to make $$,”
Not a factual statement
Let's not count our chickens, K?
February 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
@JM re: “Not a factual statement.”
You don’t know anything about private equity, now do you? (Hint: that’s rhetorical question.)
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
Jm — “Shes already said shes not voting”
I must have missed that. Timestamp, please?
“Helping her see the error in her logic is the goal”
She’s also said that the GOP field sucks. I agree with that logic; if I were still voting GOP, I’d have a hard time choosing the Candidate of Least Suck from the field.
“I get it if an indie goes for Obama”
Excellent. Then you will understand when your side loses in November.
“I have no ability to see why a republican would choose Obama over Romney”
She didn’t say she would, just that Obama isn’t the disaster y’all seem to think he is, and that Romney’s not enough of a Republican to deserve her vote.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
2:00 pm
Adam, clearly you have a serious reading problem
The tutor who works with my 12 month niece can help you
Recon 0311 2533
February 28th, 2012
2:01 pm
Jm,
Not many ups for the prez, so Jays blog bloggers are treated to “Imagine This” topics. Oh well maybe better than cut and paste charts that are barely readable.
Tealiban Party
February 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:59 am
“George W. Bush will probably go down in history as our worst President”
Thank God you just woke up from that coma that you’ve been in for the last 3 years. You woke up to a pretty bad situation with the debtload greater, paltry economic growth, and unemployment substantially worse than under W….
Yeah, I sure do miss the days of NEGATIVE 8.2% GDP contraction. The 2.4% GDP GROWTH under Obama is just so awful….. (roll eyes).
getalife
February 28th, 2012
2:05 pm
The gop meeting after this loss to reform their primary will be fun to watch.
Their primary is just like the way they govern.
A disaster waiting to happen.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
2:05 pm
Jm
Him, too.
yuzeyurbrane
February 28th, 2012
2:08 pm
Jay, what do you think of David Brooks analysis today? Maybe Santorum should be nominated so the right-wing nuts can be beaten so badly the GOP purges itself of them and political discourse returns to the middle?
Adam
February 28th, 2012
2:10 pm
Maybe Santorum should be nominated so the right-wing nuts can be beaten so badly the GOP purges itself of them and political discourse returns to the middle?
That is how I feel about it. This is what I would LOVE to have happen. So we can finally get some sanity back.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
“You don’t know anything about private equity, now do you?”
Other than being in the business, no I guess I don’t.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
2:12 pm
Sheets.
Let's not count our chickens, K?
February 28th, 2012
2:13 pm
@JM re: “Other than being in the business, no I guess I don’t.” Yes, and I’m Tiger Woods.
Recon 0311 2533
February 28th, 2012
2:15 pm
The libs are pulling for Santorum because Romney would stand a very good chance of handing Obama his eviction notice telling him to vacate the White House early next year.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
2:16 pm
“So we can finally get some sanity back.”
Not gonna happen pal. Generically speaking, and as long as Obama is potus.
Let's not count our chickens, K?
February 28th, 2012
2:18 pm
@ Recon – actually, no, the libs are pulling for Romney. See, Romney is so damaged, he can’t beat the President. Sticky Icky Santorum also can’t beat the President, but Sticky Icky is more likely to bring out conservative wackjobs, which in turn will make it less likely that the Dems regain a supermajority in the Senate and a majority in the House. With Mittens, however, conservative wackjobs stay home, thereby increasing odds of Democrat control of all 3 houses.
How do you like them apples?
yuzeyurbrane
February 28th, 2012
2:23 pm
Recon, of course Romney is a real threat to beat Obama. But that isn’t only reason I think Santorum would be better pick. See my prior blog. It might actually help the GOP and the country in the long run.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
2:27 pm
K. 6 years in PE
Jm
February 28th, 2012
2:29 pm
Murph
Yep that’s what it says
Only question is if Americans want that kind of social engineering or not
They seem to prefer the republican position frankly
Let's not count our chickens, K?
February 28th, 2012
2:33 pm
Sure. Un-huh.
timbo
February 28th, 2012
3:05 pm
Just think if this were a Republican in office right now. The media and Jay would be all over the Republicans. The economy wasn’t even close to this bad, and gas prices were half what they are now when the media and Jay scorched Republicans. Now that Barry is in office, everything is okay fine. Absolutely amazing.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
3:47 pm
Jm: Not gonna happen pal. Generically speaking, and as long as Obama is potus.
Thank you for confirming that you are deciding to deliberately stay insane while a Democrat is President.
philosopher
February 28th, 2012
4:23 pm
Dow closes above 13,000 for first time since 2008
http://click.subscriptions.ajc.com/?qs=5600e06465b31153b17bad8b7e57d093adc3905937714afa503465c28d6d1f73
Somebody’s gonna be very, very unhappy….
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
5:38 pm
@Tealiban Party
February 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:59 am
Yeah, I sure do miss the days of NEGATIVE 8.2% GDP contraction. The 2.4% GDP GROWTH under Obama is just so awful….. (roll eyes).
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Joel Edge
February 29th, 2012
5:22 am
Thank you for your concern, Jay.