Imagine the aftermath of a Romney loss in Michigan
If Mitt Romney loses Michigan tonight — and the polls say that’s possible — you’re gonna see some stuff happen. The Republican Party is gonna look like the scene in “Titanic” when people finally begin to understand: This unsinkable sucker could really go down.
The band warms up the crowd for Mitt Romney's Michigan concession speech?
Such a defeat would not end Romney’s campaign — he has too many resources and too much organization to simply sink beneath the waters. But a loss in his native state would confirm to many of his fellow Republicans that an alternative must be found, and quickly. For Romney, the setback would be significant because it would damage the single most important asset that he possesses, which is credibility. Mr. Inevitable would look more and more like Mr. Inevitable Loser.
But what alternatives do the Republicans have? Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are far more problematic than Romney. I’m beginning to hear strange noises out of Florida, as if Jeb Bush were starting to stir a bit, but that’s still a longshot. On the other hand, if Romney loses Michigan, those noises may increase in volume pretty quickly.
Truthfully, though, it’s still hard to envision the mechanism by which a late entry seizes control of the race. Those who have been campaigning all along aren’t going to meekly set aside their ambitions and allow some white knight to ride in and seize the prize.
And should Romney win in Michigan? Victory won’t do a lot for him, because it’s a state that he’s supposed to win pretty handily, against a set of opponents whom he ought to thrash. In college basketball terms, you don’t get many RPI points for beating weak opponents on your home court. A Romney win in Michigan, twinned with an expected win in Arizona, would merely extend the party’s current unsettled state of affairs.
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getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:25 am
willard stabbed Detroit in the back and deserves to lose .
ragnar danneskjold
February 28th, 2012
11:26 am
It’s all about the horse race – no substance.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:27 am
Thulsa: Find any non-factual stuff off of Media Matters yet?
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:28 am
TBS,
You’re welcome.
Matti
February 28th, 2012
11:28 am
Finn McCool,
We’re in for an awfully buggy summer. Get the spray carcinogens out; we’re gonna need them just to step outside!
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:30 am
The band warms up the crowd for Mitt Romney’s Michigan concession speech?
Nearer, my Mittens, to Thee, nearer to Thee!
E’en though it be a Newt that reameth me,
Still all my song shall be, nearer, my Mittens, to Thee.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:32 am
Thulsa – Say what you want, but when you take a quote out of context and try to make it about one thing when it was actually about another, you lose whatever shred of credibility you had. But hey, like I said, I guess it must be true because you said so!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Adam,
I’m sorry. I didn’t realize I was your research arm or that I owe you anything. But I’ll give you a freebie anyway. Here’s a whole boatload of links for you to research. And also check out the media research center’s stuff on media matters. But then again I don’t expect you to read any of this with the same credibility that you give kook left media matters so I could just be wasting an education on you.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=media%20matters%20lies&PQ=media%20matters%20lies&SP=1&QS=AS&SK=&sc=9-18&form=CPNTSS&pc=CPNTDF
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Mitt Romney: “I’m Not A NASCAR Buff, Just Friends With Team Owners’
hot dam thas funny
All he needs is a “release the hounds” moment, and really, he’s Monty Burns.
John Birch
February 28th, 2012
11:33 am
Still last week’s gallup poll had Romney and Santorum dead even with Obama for the general election. $5 gas or a little increase in unemployment and Obama will join Jimmy Carter in the one and done Dem club. Be afraid Dems, be very afraid.
Lakeisha Jackson
February 28th, 2012
11:34 am
The Facebook page for the Rachel Maddow Show is urging all Michigan Democrats to go out and vote for Rick Santorum, since it’s an open primary. Shows you whom the Democrats want to avoid running against, doesn’t it?
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:35 am
irrational,
For the last time sir. There’s nothing taken out of context. The man said what he said. You just don’t like that he’s busted so your natural inclination is to say he was taken out of context. Your credibility with me is sinking like the titanic.
BADA BING
February 28th, 2012
11:35 am
Gonna look like a scene from the Titanic? You mean like every day in the US for the last few years? They would have to raise the Titanic in order to sink it.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:35 am
Lakeisha
Guess you forget that Rush and other on the right were doing the same thing during the Democratic Primary in 08……
Don’t be the pot………
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Well, if Mr. Mormon Underpants loses Michigan it’s his own fault. You don’t tug on Superman’s cape, you don’t spit in the wind, you don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger, and you don’t tell hundreds of thousands of people that depend on the auto industry to go suck it, like you’re No. 1 Foxy Lady. Folks ain’t keen on people that threaten their job.
Anyhow, we’ll put the stop to Romney down here in the South. Us Southreners ain’t going to stand for no Mormon for President. Better we have a immoral old skunk like Newt than a Mormon. At least Newt’s Christian—sort of. Most of us Southreners don’t consider Catholics to be Christian, but at least he ain’t Mormon. Not that we’re prejudiced or anything like that.
Have a good Tuesday everybody.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Thulsa: Find any non-factual stuff off of Media Matters yet?
and while you’re at it, care to explain just what’s “kook left” about Mike Luckovich’s world-view, since this is, I believe, the third time I’ve asked you nicely?
Jefferson
February 28th, 2012
11:36 am
Birch I hope your gas is high and your vehicle MPG is bad, that’s what you get for wishing bad things on Americans. You are making duckhead comments.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:37 am
The Facebook page for the Rachel Maddow Show is urging all Michigan Democrats to go out and vote for Rick Santorum, since it’s an open primary. Shows you whom the Democrats want to avoid running against, doesn’t it?
Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh? Maybe he should have had his minions go out and vote for Obama instead.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:38 am
Thulsa – Ask anyone here, I’m pretty fair in my criticisms of everyone, and by no means a fan of Obama. The quote you are referencing comes from a speech he made that USinUK referenced about an hour ago. It was about Cap and Trade and in specific reference to energy costs as they’re related to power. What you say could be true, but it isn’t proven so by the quote you and others continually reference.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:38 am
dB
Another wild goose chase trying to get an explanation, huh?
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:39 am
Still last week’s gallup poll had Romney and Santorum dead even with Obama for the general election.
Cite, please. I’ve NEVER seen any head-to-head polling that had Man-on-Dog within shouting distance of our Uppity Preznit.
(And I’m at Gallup pretty compulsively, don’t see anything like that, there.(
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Bro – I’m not sure that it was so much who they were afraid of running against so much as who they thought would have been the better choice. At least that is why I voted for Hilary in 2008. I looked at all the candidates, both Democrat and Republican, and decided she was the most qualified and the best choice.
Peadawg
February 28th, 2012
11:40 am
“The Facebook page for the Rachel Maddow Show is urging all Michigan Democrats to go out and vote for Rick Santorum, since it’s an open primary. Shows you whom the Democrats want to avoid running against, doesn’t it?” – Smart politics. No way Santorum beats Obama. He’ll the the crazy far-right bible-thumpers but that’s it.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Another wild goose chase trying to get an explanation, huh?
TD has shown some modest inclinations toward rationality at times. I’d like to think he’s at least capable of acknowledging when he’s gone a bit far, as he clearly did by calling Mike a “kook left”ie.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:41 am
What you say could be true, but it isn’t proven so by the quote you and others continually reference.
Eventually the sheer volume at which that quote is repeated will make it true regardless to whether it’s true or not. On second thought, it is already “true” based on the repetition clause. That’s why it’s repeatedly used.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:41 am
Adam – “Thulsa: Find any non-factual stuff off of Media Matters yet?”
The entire site by it’s nature is non-factual because it only reports one side of the story. What is so hard to understand that only hearing one side of the story is in fact a lie of omission. Media Matters is the Left’s version of Fox news.
Peadawg
February 28th, 2012
11:41 am
BTW…how about all those wrecks last night and a jet dryer blowing up?
Oh…was there also a race somewhere in between?
Best Daytona 500 ever. They need to ateast move the 500 to Sunday night.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:42 am
Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh?
This very month, it was, in 2008. for those who’ve forgotten…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show#Operation_Chaos
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:42 am
(ir)Rational
In 2008, I put McCain ahead of Clinton and Obama. Once the VP selections were made, I realized McCain had a snowballs chance in Mt. Vesuvius of winning the election.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
11:42 am
Byteme 11:12 you want the real answer?
getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Great speech at the UAW convention.
Our President did not stab them in the back like willard.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Bro – Thanks for explaining that for me. I guess I should apologize to Thulsa for wanting the actual truth, and not realizing that his truth had become true simply by the fact that it had been repeated often enough.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
dB
Yeah, I’d assume you would get something concrete from TD as opposed to your previous person of interest.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
“The entire site by it’s nature is non-factual because it only reports one side of the story”
It does indeed…it identifies, verifies, and quotes the WRONG stuff and lies coming from the left. You think some balance is needed, start your own site that does what they do for the “other side” They don’t make any claim to be “fair and balanced” – but then, there IS no balance when exposing lies and misinformation.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Media Matters is the Left’s version of Fox news.
Really? You mean Media Matters is a 24/7 news channel, included with virtually everyone’s basic cable package? and claims to be “Fair and Unbiased”, and says “We report, you decide?”
nice try, but ’tis apples:oranges.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Thulsa: You know, I clicked on your link, which is a search result list. I found that glennbeck.com was the first result. Of course I do not consider him credible, considering how many lies he put out regarding “liberals” in the first place. He asserts that Media Matters was “caught in a web of lies” but fails to make his case. Another “article” indicates Media Matters lied about Obama speaking against a Supreme Court decision as “unprecedented” claiming the case wasn’t made. I read all of it and disagree, I do see Media Matters making their case, and I don’t see a refutation of any of the source material used to make that case.
So again, where is the non-factual information? If all you can do is link me to a list that doesn’t have a single solid refutation then I must assume you have not found any single non-factual claim made by Media Matters – EVER. Surely this cannot be true….
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:44 am
Steve Usa- You would think he would figure that out. He hasn’t.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
Bro
While I had it Clinton, McCain then Obama
McCain sounded sensible for awhile then he went too far right to solidify the base and picked Palin…….. That was all she wrote
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
(ir)Rational @ 11:43
No problem. That also explains why I have a mouth full of gold, drive a Cadillac with 30″ rims, live in the projects, and have 8 kids by 10 different baby mommas.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
OOPS! Doing too many things at once! This: It does indeed…it identifies, verifies, and quotes the WRONG stuff and lies coming from the left – should be:
“It does indeed…it identifies, verifies, and quotes the WRONG stuff and lies coming from the RIGHT”
mm
February 28th, 2012
11:45 am
“Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh? ”
As I’ve said many times, the righties love to throw stones. They just never can seem to remember they live in a glass house.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:46 am
just so it’s clear…
http://mediamatters.org/p/about_us/
Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda — every day, in real time.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:46 am
Bro – McCain was somewhere around 4th or 5th on my list. After he chose Palin, I couldn’t hold my nose and vote for him in the general election either.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:47 am
Adam
Do you look at “media matters” that often? While certainly making good points to right leaning bias, they do have their own bias as well.
Check out “newsbusters”….. It is the right wing version of “mediamatters”. They point out left leaning bias; however it will not take long to see that it is one sided.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:48 am
Bro – If you sold that mouthful of gold, you could probably move out of the projects. Gotta say, that is impressive that you had 8 kids from 10 different mothers. Must be that project math.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:48 am
Thulsa@11:44
Yeah Doggone said Media Matters corrects the LEFT. I think he is confused.
Normal
February 28th, 2012
11:49 am
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:24 am
At least I’m glad you said you weren’t of age during Viet Nam. It makes the rest of what you said easier to take.
You have no idea what the political decisions made by Johnson and Nixon did to the troops in country. Our government gave up on winning almost from the start. Johnson wanted so bad not to be the “only US President to lose a war, that he and his cronies micromanaged it into a self-fulfilled prophecy of doom. Nixon used the war to get elected twice.
I spent three tours in country and I can tell you for a fact that the only “winning” to be done was survive your tour and go home.
I joined Kerry’s Viet Nam Veterans Against The War after I got out and I threw my ribbon/medals over the White House wall too. I did so because I had the right to do so and I wanted more than life to put an end to that stupid, stupid war. Over 58,000 wasted American lives…and for nothing.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:49 am
“they do have their own bias as well”
Such as?
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Stands,
Just so it’s clear….only examining one side of a story is dishonest. Spin that however you want it.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Steve: The entire site by it’s nature is non-factual because it only reports one side of the story. What is so hard to understand that only hearing one side of the story is in fact a lie of omission. Media Matters is the Left’s version of Fox news.
Oh, I see, so if someone analyzes Fox News and Glenn Beck and so on, find them to be lying or just plain wrong about something, put a list of all the things they said and then a list of all the FACTS that show they are wrong, that’s JUST one side of the story. We need to balance that with…. what, exactly?
How is taking fact, and then showing the “other side of the story” in any way balanced?
You don’t get to say that facts are “just one side of the story.” Facts are facts. We need to stop pitting flat earthers against round earthers and calling it a “debate.”
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
@getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:43 am
Great speech at the UAW convention.
Our President did not stab them in the back like willard.
**********************************************************************************
VOTING is like driving a CAR.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Chose (D) to move forward.
American Auto Industry is BACK.
ZOOM ZOOM……..
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
Adam,
Read all those links Adam. You’ll find plenty of non-factual information. Just saying they aren’t doesn’t make it so. For God’s sake son do you want me to do your reading and thinking for you? Never mind. Media matters does that for you.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:50 am
“only examining one side of a story is dishonest”
so it’s dishonest to point out the dishonesty of someone? Interesting take on it.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:51 am
Do you look at “media matters” that often?
No, but I’m starting to. Anything that has conservatives in this much of a tizzy must be pretty harmful to their agenda. And so far I don’t see the left leaning bias as an impediment to their factual claims.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:52 am
(ir)rational
Bro is already out of the projects…….. He is section 8 in a 350k bungalow and the government has steaks delivered to his house……………for free
Figured since several bloggers on here have stories of how they know someone who know someone who is a trillionaire off of government handouts… we may as well jazz this one up as well
Bro…….. Sorry to reveal all of your secrets
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
11:52 am
Doom — “Begin the enlightenment perfesser of knowitallogy.”
By all means.
Yesterday, you said: “And quite frankly even if what media matters version of what happened even were true it would pale in comparison to John Kerry’s lies about personal knowledge of American soldiers raping, killing in a fashion reminiscent of ghengis kahn.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/02/27/obamas-poker-instincts-on-view-in-presidency/?cp=9#comment-878895
And then you quoted Kerry, but you did so pretty creatively. Had you included the previous paragraph, it would have been clear that Kerry as not speaking from personal experience, but that he was relating what he had *heard other veterans testify to under oath back in the US.*
“I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command….”
“They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.”
It’s pretty clear that Kerry’s relating what he was told by others, not things he saw or has “personal knowledge” of, as you falsely claimed. And if you want to call those claims or atrocities “lies,” then be honest and go after the persons who actually *made* those claims. You ought to be able to find their names from the Detroit proceedings Kerry spoke of. Of course, in this case, I don’t think you’re looking for the truth as much as you’re looking for a easy opportunity to slag on a Democrat you apparently don’t like.
So tell us, Doom – what “personal knowledge” did Kerry “lie” about? Inquiring minds want to know.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 28th, 2012
11:52 am
Adam,
You cliches are getting boring. Some day in the future you will realize the earth is round and getting biased news from the Left is as stupid as getting biased news from the Right.
You think you are on the high road but you travel on the same road as the people you claim to detest.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
11:53 am
““Kinda like how Limbaugh urged Republicans to vote for Clinton in 08 because of who the Republicans were afraid of running against to, huh? ”
I wouldn’t be surprised but you have a link to prove that. Republicans has their own contested primary then.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:53 am
TBS – You think he could teach me? My wife is a mixture of Hispanic, Jewish and Cherokee. That’s gotta count for something right?
gadem
February 28th, 2012
11:53 am
So if Gingrich wins the nomination, will Adelson be his running mate? I really wish Adelson would throw his money away over my way…I mean I have just a good a chance of winning as Newt.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
(ir)Rational
I am a member of the Benevolent Protective Order of Wangsmen International.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
Doom — “Something tells me Joe Mama is busy writing me another essay.”
Joe Mama was having lunch. Essays may be difficult and time-consuming for you to write, but they don’t take me long at all.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
Jm – Go back a page or two, a link was actually provided for that.
If Liberals Hated America We'd Vote Republican
February 28th, 2012
11:54 am
Obama at the UAW convention says:
“The auto industry is back.
IT’S TIME TO KEEP OUR FOOT ON THE GAS.
We can’t afford to GO BACK.”
I SAY:
VOTING is like driving a CAR.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Chose (D) to move forward.
Zoom Zoom………………………………………………
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:55 am
Adam
While mediamatters calls out stories from more than just Fox, just like newsbusters on the right… they seem to concentrate on the editorials and commentary………. Not much straight news. Notice they do not call out Shep Smith from Fox that often or at all. He is straight news or pretty close.
I have been to both mediamatters and newsbusters numerous times, they are just the opposite sides of the same coin
But to each his or her own
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:55 am
Thulsa: Read all those links Adam. You’ll find plenty of non-factual information. Just saying they aren’t doesn’t make it so. For God’s sake son do you want me to do your reading and thinking for you? Never mind. Media matters does that for you.
I read most of them and continue to do so, and so far, not a single refutation of fact. Just “Well they are left leaning” or “there’s bias” or “they used the WRONG facts.”
While there might be a small amount of merit to that last one, not a single one of these links has yet demonstrated an actual lie from Media Matters. If you have found one that you think demonstrates otherwise, you are free to share it and also free to point out the part you find relevant.
But really, I don’t know why you bother. You know I’m right, that their information IS factual and you’re just flailing and mad because you don’t want it to be true.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
11:56 am
Bro – I’m not even sure I want to know what that means.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:56 am
They BOTH
DANG IT!!!! Now I gotta move again. I have been eyeing this crib up in Sugarloaf though. Mama next door is smokin’!!
getalife
February 28th, 2012
11:56 am
For those that could not see the end of the race, it was politics that won it for Matt.
Biffle refused to push Jr. after Jr. pushed him because Matt cussed him out for not being a team player.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
11:57 am
“While mediamatters calls out stories from more than just Fox, just like newsbusters on the right… they seem to concentrate on the editorials and commentary”
They call out lies and misinformation. Those can, a do, occur in both straight news and in opinion columns. But much less often in straight news, so there’s not as much to “catch”.
Or are you saying that Shep Smith DOES tell lies and give misinformation and Media Matters is ignoring it?
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
11:57 am
ir(Rational)
I’m half Hispanic (Panamanian) and do not have the secret code to get in myself……………..
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:57 am
Thulsa: they seem to concentrate on the editorials and commentary………. Not much straight news. Notice they do not call out Shep Smith from Fox that often or at all. He is straight news or pretty close.
And your point would be….?
They focus on what’s actually a lie or misinformation. Why, then, would they go after “straight news”?
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:58 am
“they do have their own bias as well”
Such as?
DGA, I think that “about us” quote I cited @11.46 makes it clear that they do have a bias. There’s NOTHING wrong with that, but they do specifically say that they “monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for CONSERVATIVE misinformation”.
They don’t claim to point out media misinformation wherever it may appear, and that’s not just to the exclusion of liberal views, but of any number of other fact-checking missions that could embark upon in the universe
Just so it’s clear….only examining one side of a story is dishonest. Spin that however you want it.
Steve, by that yardstick ANY organization that advocates on behalf of a particular orientation is “dishonest.” That’s a pretty broad definition; you’d have to say as well that (for instance) all churches are “dishonest”, all charities are “dishonest,” etc.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
11:58 am
(ir)Rational
Just think Leon Phelps, “The Ladies Man”.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
11:59 am
bleh… meant to write
any number of other fact-checking missions that ONE could embark upon in the universe
sorry, tryin’ to multitask and not managing so well.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
VOTING is like driving a CAR.
Choose (R) to move backward.
Chose (D) to move forward.
I can’t believe the Dems have never used that, before.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
“but they do specifically say that they “monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for CONSERVATIVE misinformation”.”
That is not a “bias” though, it’s simply a limited area of concentration. To me, a “bias” would be what they are FINDING, not what they are doing. There’s no law that says they HAVE to monitor both sides. Bias is SLANTING information. They identify lies and misinformation, they don’t REPORT news, so they don’t slant it.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
Steve: Some day in the future you will realize the earth is round and getting biased news from the Left is as stupid as getting biased news from the Right.
You think you are on the high road but you travel on the same road as the people you claim to detest.
You know, I already get that just going to left leaning sources is a bad idea. But I am not going to go to right leaning sources either. I do not find that it balances my viewpoint at all. Instead, I am fed lies or misinformation more often, today, from the right than from the left. As far as commentary goes, I make every effort to hear politicians speak for themselves BEFORE going to any nightly news program to see what the commentary is, and certainly before going to Media Matters.
My cliche might be boring you, but here’s the thing: You know I’m right. A “debate” between people who have the facts and people who are all about how they just don’t trust or like those facts is not a debate.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
oops, again, sorry about my post @ 12.000, looks like they have used it…
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/obamas-latest-joke-republicans.html
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
12:01 pm
Doggone
I’m saying that Shep Smith is not providing commentary (built in bias and opinion: Haniity, Oreilly and the morning show on Fox is NOT news) so they do not have much to call out. The one’s they mainly call out are providing commentary sold as news.
Newsbusters does the same with Maddow and Oberman. They are giving opinion, so the chances of the entire picture being presented is slim
I can’t speak for every show or person, so I’m sure lies are told.
The WH should not be directly involved with mediamatters, no more than Bush having all the top radio pundits at the WH to discuss talking points
That is all I’m saying.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
12:02 pm
“I can’t believe the Dems have never used that, before”
Well, this one’s close: “We don’t want to take our country BACK, we want to move it FORWARD”
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:02 pm
stands: I can’t believe the Dems have never used that, before.
Ummmmm….. sarcasm, yes?
Adam
February 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
LUNCH
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:03 pm
TBS – I figured, with her having 3 minorities coming in from all sides (both sets of grandparents have Cherokee and Spanish blood), she should be able to get the code(s) she needs. I keep telling her it would help get some scholarships for law school.
Bro – I had to look that one up, cause I still didn’t have a clue.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
Hey zoom zoom
Mazda isn’t an American manufacturer
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:04 pm
Same spit, different year. Lil’ Kim is all butthurt about Team Spirit or whatever we’re calling it these days.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46547003/ns/world_news-christian_science_monitor/
I seem to recall the same shrieking crazoid threats from his dad (or maybe it was his grandfather) back when I went to Korea to participate in this annual exercise.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:05 pm
That is not a “bias” though, it’s simply a limited area of concentration.
fair enough… we all define words (particularly the very loaded ones, like “bias”, or “dishonesty”) to our own liking.
I’ll stand by the work MMA does, mind you. Although in a way they’re almost too good–I feel almost as if I don’t have to listen to Rush or Sean, or watch Fox & Fiends, any more because they’ll snag all the good bits for me.
Maybe it’s just as well; I’m already probably in the hole for a thousand hours or so of my life spent monitoring this crap that I’ll never get back.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
It gets a little tiring when the Left throws out the save the auto industry card. I don’t know a Republican that wanted a single auto associated company to go out of business. Our big objection is how it was done, especially putting unions ahead of bond holders. There is no evidence that had the companies proceeded with normal bankruptcy they would have gone out of business. Look at Delta, it went bankrupt completely without government help and has prospered.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
(ir)Rational
You haven’t seen “The Ladies Man” before?? Tim Meadows did that character on SNL. One of the funniest skits had Florence Henderson and Tiffany Theissen battling over who was the bigger skank of the two of them. You’ll have to find it and check it out when you get a chance.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
Ummmmm….. sarcasm, yes?
not on my part–believe it or not, I’d never heard that one!
Normal
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
jm,
I believe that Mazda is owned by Ford…
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
Steve-USA
I think doggone had what’s called a Freudian slip. Don’t mind her none. She’s confused about a lot of things. One of the funniest things I’ve ever read on here was when she claimed that a weaker dollar meant we could buy more stuff. You see some funny things on here but the funniest is when libs try talking economics. They’re much better off just sniping.
They BOTH suck
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
ir(Rational)
On a serious note, their are numerous programs out there that fit almost any and every demographic. I’m sure law school is expensive. Good luck to both of you in navigating those financial obstacles. One way or another, I’m sure your wife will achieve her goal
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
JohnnyReb — “I don’t know a Republican that wanted a single auto associated company to go out of business. Our big objection is how it was done, especially putting unions ahead of bond holders.”
If a company goes bankrupt, don’t bond holders become unsecured creditors?
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:08 pm
Bro – You seem shocked that I didn’t see a movie like that that came out when I was 15.
If Tiffany Theissen is in one of the sketches trying to look skanky, I’ll be looking that up during lunch. 
jm
February 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
Energy Secretary Steven Chu notably said “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe” to make Americans trade in their “love affair with the automobile” for a marriage to mass transit.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/want-gas-prices-higher-lower-193029238.html
That would be Obama’s energy secretary….
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
Normal,
Just out of curiosity what made you do 3 tours in Nam? I was under the impression that if you’re a ground troop you only had to do 1 year tour.
Brosephus
February 28th, 2012
12:11 pm
(ir)Rational
I might have been around 15 when Porky’s came out. Then again, I was quite adept at gaining access to things like that when I should not have had access to them.
(ir)Rational
February 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
TBS – Yeah, we’re just taking care of it with loans. She is rocking it though, so I’m proud of her for that. I just like to kid her about that stuff and bug her about why she didn’t get more scholarships.
Fred ™
February 28th, 2012
12:12 pm
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
It gets a little tiring when the Left throws out the save the auto industry card. I don’t know a Republican that wanted a single auto associated company to go out of business. Our big objection is how it was done, especially putting unions ahead of bond holders. There is no evidence that had the companies proceeded with normal bankruptcy they would have gone out of business. Look at Delta, it went bankrupt completely without government help and has prospered.
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Yep, there in a nutshell is the difference between Republicans and Democrats. It also makes me think Jamvets little handle yesterday was spot on.
Company goes bankrupt:
REPUBLICAN WAY: LAWYERS GET PAID, PREFERRED STOCKHOLDERS GET PAID, STOCKHOLDERS GET PAID, CREDITORS GET PAID, WORKERS GET F’ED. THEY GET NOTHING. NO PAY FOR THE WORK THEY DI. ZERO.
The Democrat bail out way: Workers get paid.
How terrible, the people who did the work were put first. The ones who sweated and bled to put out a product got paid. The speculators and scum sucking lawyers? not so much.