Obama’s poker instincts on view in presidency
The other day I stumbled across a Time magazine piece published back in July 2008, soon after John McCain and Barack Obama had emerged as their parties’ nominees. The premise of the piece was that both men liked to gamble, and that “games of chance have been not just a hobby but also a fundamental feature of their development as people and politicians.”
McCain, for example, loves to play craps, which the piece describes as “a game for showmen, Hollywood stars and basketball legends with girls on their arms.” Dice in hand, money on the table, a crowd gathered along the rails to cheer him on, a craps player basks in attention and adrenalin.
“For McCain, jaunts to the craps table helped burnish his image as a political hot dog who relishes the thrill of a good fight,” the Time piece notes, “even if the risk of failure was high.”
I’m usually wary of pieces that attempt to psycho-analyze candidates, especially when viewed through a single lens such as their choice of gambling outlets. But in hindsight, McCain’s subsequent behavior validated the Time thesis. A few weeks after the piece appeared, he rolled the dice in a high-stakes gamble on Sarah Palin, and did so again when he announced that he was suspending his campaign to rush back to Washington to save the American economy. Neither gamble paid off, but they were consistent with his personality.
Obama, on the other hand, is a poker player by nature. As an Illinois state senator, he was a regular in a weekly late-night poker game among lobbyists and fellow legislators. Interviewing other regulars in those games, the Time reporters found that Obama had a reputation as a conservative player. He’d fold losing hands quickly, but if he chose to stay in the game, it usually meant he had calculated the odds and was in it to win. Rather than force things, he patiently let the game come to him:
“The stakes were low enough — $1 ante and $3 top raise — to afford a long shot. Not Obama. He studied the cards as closely as an 11th-hour amendment to a bill. The odds were religion to him. Only rarely did he bluff….”
Obama’s play-to-win approach drove other players crazy. Former state Sen. Larry Walsh, a conservative corn farmer from Joliet, once got ready to pull in a pot with a four-of-a-kind hand. But Obama had four of a kind too, of higher rank. Walsh slammed down his cards. “Doggone it, Barack, if you were more liberal in your card-playing and more conservative in your politics, you and I would get along much better,” he said.
In hindsight, that also seems to have been prescient. As president, Obama has tended to abandon losing hands quickly, often to the frustration of liberal supporters who want to see him fight it out. However, when he draws a strong hand, the last few years have proved that he plays it well and reaps maximum advantage from it.
– Jay Bookman
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HDB
February 27th, 2012
12:22 pm
A smart man lets the game come to him……a crazy man tries to force the issue!! Many don’t understand why Obama is letting the game come to him…but it’s better than the cowboy mentality of the GOP!!
JOE COOL
February 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
2nd!! what i win>
Mr. Snarky
February 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
Despite what many commenters here like to pretend. Our President is a smart man on many levels.
Guy Incognito
February 27th, 2012
12:25 pm
Speaking of poker players……those of u around ATL, check out the video of the Dunwoody cops interview with Hemy Neuman.
Nice job!
Mr. Snarky
February 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
er…revision: Despite what many commenters here like to pretend, our President is a smart man on many levels.
Romney is smart too, but he has to be a weasel to win the nomination…but he’s not a convincing weasel.
Thomas
February 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
Great piece- Phil Ivey for President
If only Jimmy the Greek were around we really get moving….
Lord Help Us
February 27th, 2012
12:29 pm
‘I’m usually wary of pieces that attempt to psycho-analyze candidates…’
As am I…
Slow news day?
Normal
February 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
Joe cool,
What’d you win…no motorcikle, just the pickle…
As to President Obama, yes…I like his style in card playing and as President. I guess I’m all in for four more years…
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
Santorum doesn’t believe in gambling.
Lord Help Us
February 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
Further pyscho analysis…Obama’s choice of a labradoodle with its hypoallergenic and non-shedding characteristics displays a conservative and practical nature.
McCain’s ankle biting chihuahua that turns and runs when confronted is indicative of both he and Palin.
Thank goodness neither had an Irish Setter strapped to the top of the car driving to Canada…
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
12:39 pm
For McCain, jaunts to the craps table helped burnish his image as a political hot dog who relishes the thrill of a good fight,” the Time piece notes, “even if the risk of failure was high.
Only one problem with your analogy, Jay–craps actually offers some of the best odds in the house if you play it correctly. Only baccarat is in the same category of fairness to the better as far a games of pure chance. Poker, along with blackjack, are legally considered to be games of skill. Stu Ungar once spent $50,000 in legal and travel fees to avoid paying a $500 fine to help ensure that legal interpretation. Many poker players also spent great sums to ensure that poker is considered the same way. Tax policy is one of the main drivers of this effort, of course.
But Obama had four of a kind too, of higher rank.
Your pandering is becoming a bit embarrassing, I would say……..
Jimmy62
February 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
If Obama’s such a great player, why is he losing all our chips to China? His record shows that he repeatedly loses all his chips and has to buy back in. I’d rather have someone who has more chips than they started with rather than less.
I thought the last change in the debt ceiling was supposed to last us through the election. The numbers were designed by Obama’s team specifically to keep it from being an issue during the campaign. But it looks like they will have to vote to raise the limit again in the next few months well before the election. Another losing hand played by Obama.
Adam
February 27th, 2012
12:42 pm
Hmmm. Not sure if I entirely agree with the premise of comparing gambling styles to policy making, but it does seem Obama has done a good amount of cost-benefit analysis in just about every political move he makes, often finding people scratching their heads about how it doesn’t make any sense – until the results are in, that is. Then everyone starts thinking he must have seen the outcome all along and in response, say stuff like “well played.”
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
12:45 pm
it does seem Obama has done a good amount of cost-benefit analysis in just about every political move he makes, often finding people scratching their heads about how it doesn’t make any sense – until the results are in, that is. Then everyone starts thinking he must have seen the outcome all along and in response, say stuff like “well played.”
Obviously you’re not talking about ObamaCare. The Texas Holdem equivalent of going all in with a 2-7 off-suit.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
O.T. Turnabout’s fair play.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/27/media-matters-boss-paid-former-partner-850g-blackmail-settlement/
Adam
February 27th, 2012
12:48 pm
Bruno: I really don’t see how the ACA is a losing thing for Obama. The more equivalent analogy would be winning with that 2-7 off suit and pissing all the other players off because it shouldn’t have happened.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
Obviously you’re not talking about ObamaCare.
Yeah, I also hate it that my insurance company can’t drop me after years of paying in.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
12:51 pm
Slow news days are good days.
This President is as good as it gets.
Normal
February 27th, 2012
12:51 pm
Santorum doesn’t believe in gambling.
I think ol’ Rick also believes a wet dream is really an abortion…
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
At the very least this is an interesting read. Probably an interesting/possibly true analysis.
Bruno – True, but every hand isn’t necessarily a winner, and as the guy from Illinois said, he would bluff, sometimes. The bill isn’t so bad at its base level, it is just when you get down to the implementation that it is bad. But all the same, anyone who plays poker knows that a good player can get away with a bad bluff every now and then and still come out way ahead.
On a side note, if I become any more liberal, I’m going to quit coming here. Y’all are a bad influence.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
Doesn’t appear that he’s pulling in much these days.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
No point in bothering with this post ignoring Obama’s craven “apology” to the ungrateful Afghanis. Just one more in Jay’s lame attempt to bash whatever unright Republican savior …….
Oh,wait……
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
“Obama’s choice of a labradoodle with its hypoallergenic and non-shedding characteristics displays a conservative and practical nature. ”
First of all, the dog is not a “labrdoodle” – it’s a Portugese Water Dog. And second of all, one of his daughters is allergic to dog dander, hence the choice of a non-shedding breed.
ragnar danneskjold
February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
Too bad he does not have any policies that are winners.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
Normal – A wet dream most certainly is an abortion. Just like recreational sex is a “bad thing.”
Adam
February 27th, 2012
12:56 pm
Too bad he does not have any policies that are winners.
Yeah cuz Fair Pay for women, supporting contraception availability for women, ending DADT, ending the Iraq war, killing bin Laden… yep those are all losers…
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
(Ir)rational: Come over to the dark side, Luke. It’s your destiny.
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
12:58 pm
Happy 78th birthday to one of the most influential Americans of the 20th century, Ralph Nader.
Mazel Tov and many more…
…
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
12:58 pm
Obama’s craven “apology” to the ungrateful Afghanis
What should they be grateful for?
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
12:59 pm
Mr_B – While on the face of it, it seems weak, what exactly is wrong with apologizing when you’ve done something wrong? There was a pile of Korans that was set on fire. It doesn’t matter where it happens, that is going to be viewed badly by a large group of people all over the world. But hey, I guess you would rather just “bash” someone (well, in this case two people) for a perceived wrong instead of acknowledging that the other guy could be right from time to time.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
12:59 pm
Yawn
Normal
February 27th, 2012
1:00 pm
MR. B,
Tell me you wouldn’t be pi$$ed if the, say, the Iranians took the Bible and desecrated it? The Koran is their Bible, the NATO soldiers desecrated it, and President Obama tried to do the right thing. I don’t see a problem…except to those who won’t give President Obama a break no matter what he does or doesn’t do…
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
Mr B –
Normal
February 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm
ragnar danneskjold
February 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
Dear Adam @ 12:56, agree. Rare occasion,
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
The bill isn’t so bad at its base level, it is just when you get down to the implementation that it is bad.
I’ll just have to let that statement stand for itself, Irrational.
But all the same, anyone who plays poker knows that a good player can get away with a bad bluff every now and then and still come out way ahead.
Not a bluff at this point, unfortunately, unless the SC weighs in with a pair of pocket aces to save the day.
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:02 pm
“No point in bothering with this post ignoring Obama’s craven “apology” to the ungrateful Afghanis”
you’re kidding, right???
they burned hundreds of Korans – you dont’ think that deserves an apology???
Jefferson
February 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
The president set the GOP up on the social death spiral that they can’t get off their shoe. Those cats are so easy to play on because they are so greedy and worried about everyone else’s business.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
1:03 pm
A good poker player plays the other players not the cards
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
“What should they be grateful for?”
Why all that great Americans stuff they didn’t ask for or want. Real southern BBQ, Diebold voting machines, Kohler toilets for places without running water, HBO, the list is endless.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
Why would you burn a Koran? Had it’s expiration date passed? Did a newer version just come out?
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
they burned hundreds of Korans – you dont’ think that deserves an apology???”
No I don’t
Shawny
February 27th, 2012
1:05 pm
Ought to be a good poker player. Can look you in the eye and lie without blinking. The best BSers make good poker players.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
southern BBQ
Well, maybe if it were Lexington NC bbq….
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
(Ir)rational: Sorry, I fogot to hit the “sarcasm” key in my 12:54.
Jefferson
February 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
Economy getting better, more jobs, market is high. The GOP will look at the dark clouds for a straw. To say it is not better, would take away one’s credibility.
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
1:07 pm
The Bushbot neo-cons b*tching about statesmanship.
Hysterical.
That lot can’t even spell it, much less understand what it is…
Their idea of foreign policy/international affairs can be summarized in two words: invasion and occupation.
Of the botched varieties…
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Finn – “Why would you burn a Koran? Had it’s expiration date passed? Did a newer version just come out?”
It was my understanding that the prisoners were leaving notes for one another in the books, as well as highlighting and radicalizing some “passages” for inspiration
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
I don’t see a problem…except to those who won’t give President Obama a break no matter what he does or doesn’t do…
If it makes the Libs feel better, I see nothing wrong with issuing an apology. If some bon mots can help diffuse the situation, no problem……At the same time, I’ve heard some intimations on the board that some “stand-down” orders may have been issued as well. I don’t know the accuracy of that statement, but would never compromise our authority even while apologizing.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
The fact they set them on fire isn’t bad – that’s actually how you are supposed to dispose of them (well, there is one other way.)
But you are supposed to burn them after wrapping them in a clean cloth, etc. etc, etc. There is a system to it that the troops ignored – or didn’t know about.
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
“they burned hundreds of Korans – you dont’ think that deserves an apology???”
Of course not. They’re “the enemy” and you don’t apologize to “enemies”, right? /snarc
getalife
February 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
Nine more Americans killed because of this action.
Show them some respect cons.
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
“No I don’t”
yeah. I really don’t know WHY they hate us …
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
Ah. I was confused for a minute.
Bruno – The idea behind the bill, changing the rules governing insurance companies to stop them from dropping people the minute they get sick, and setting up ways for people that are already sick to be able to find insurance, aren’t bad. It is the way that it was done that gives the whole thing the horrible “stench” that is associated with it, in my opinion. But that is just one of the things I’ve been able to look at objectively and, except for a few things (like the individual mandate, and the way it was passed) find no major issue with it. Maybe you should try that one day.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
Only 45 posts in, and I’ve already accidentally hijacked Jay’s blog with a satiric comment about apologies, directed at some the resident whiners around here. THE POOOOWWWEER! WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Adam
February 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
So who wants to be the first to say that apologizing for burning Korans is “apologizing for America?” Any takers?
Brosephus
February 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
“You gotta know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em, know when to walk away, know when to run.”
–Thomas Jefferson
Normal
February 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:10 pm
As don’t I, sadly. I really don’t get how some of us don’t understand that actions begat reactions…
Jefferson
February 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
A strait flush beats a full house.
– AAA Septic Tank Service
Guy Incognito
February 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
Isn’t writing in the Koran a desecration?
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
Bro – “can’t read my … can’t read my … no he can’t read my pokerface”
Tommy J.
carlosgvv
February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Finn McCool – “What sould they be grateful for”
Well, maybe our being willing to sacrifice a large number of American lives to keep them from being under the Taliban again.
Normal
February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Mr B will never make the “A” list…
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Normal – 1:13 – it’s our peeance and freeance they hate.
or some such.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
USinUK – “yeah. I really don’t know WHY they hate us … “
Yeah, the retaliation murders were completely justified huh?
They “hate” us because we are NOT Muslims and have been hating us long before the first Koran was burnt…but go ahead and capitulate and let know me how that works out
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
I really don’t know WHY they hate us…
You haven’t heard?
According to the sophists George, Dick, Rudy, Sanitarium and virtually every other single nitwit neo-con out there, they hate us for our freedoms…
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
The fact is that once you start disrespecting one religion then you have to disrespect all of em. Otherwise some of them will be moanin’ that they aren’t getting the disrespect that the others are getting.
Vicious cycle
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:16 pm
Jefferson – That is epic.
Jefferson
February 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
Not liberators ? Occupiers ?
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
“but go ahead and capitulate and let know me how that works out”
tell you what – how about you go to dictionary.com and learn what the word CAPITULATE means before you start using it in those big words in a sentence.
apologizing /= capulating
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
Obammmma the black Mammmba – ssssss-thwack
I’d give my whole tax refund if he would just look in the camera
and say that the next time he punks the cons heheh
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:19 pm
hahahahaha … or capitulating!!! or copulating …
sweet jeebus, my misspellings crack me up.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Irrational @ 1:10–The failure of the bill is that specific insurance company “unfair” practices could have been addressed individually without attempting to rework the financing of the entire sector via the mandate. As I’ve stated ad nauseum, if the goal is to create a health care system by which all expenses are shared, then get rid of the middleman altogether and go single-payer. If health care is to remain an individual responsibility, as I believe it should, then encourage free market competition.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Well, maybe our being willing to sacrifice a large number of American lives to keep them from being under the Taliban again.
So a country invades the US and keeps the Democrat party from operating. You conservatives would be grateful that that country was sacrificing their people’s lives so you wouldn’t have to deal with Democrats? Or would you prefer that the country leave and let you decide on your own if you want to be bothered by democrats? You wouldn’t want us to handle our problems ourselves?
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Well, maybe our being willing to sacrifice a large number of American lives to keep them from being under the Taliban again.
Suppose,just for an instant, that they actually agree with the Taliban.
jm
February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
“a crazy man tries to force the issue!!”
When the game gets played out on the deficit and debt issue, it will be too late and every teet sucker will be cast into the street like in Greece.
This is why we need to elect LEADERS as our President, not poker players. True to Jay’s analogy, Obama doesn’t understand how to change the dynamics of the game, all he knows is how to play it. We don’t need a player in the White House. We need a President.
Mitt 2012
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
USinUK – how about just reading the sentence instead of reading what you ‘think” I meant
Towncrier
February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
“The premise of the piece was that both men liked to gamble, and that “games of chance have been not just a hobby but also a fundamental feature of their development as people and politicians.”
Great. So Jay want to give me the impression that our president may be gambling with our future (since he does apparently gamble). Call me stupid, but where does that thing called “principle” come in? I guess I should learn to stop worrying and learn to love the Obama, huh?
carlosgvv
February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
If Afghans were really that upset about those Koran burnings, why didn’t they just get a bunch of Old and New Testaments and burn them? Instead, they go on a killing spree that shows no signs of stopping. It’s been clear for years now that this country is still in the Dark Ages. Why did supposedly high-powered college graduates in our Govt. think we could somehow succeed in any kind of nation building? Why are we still there? How many more Americans and others have to die before we finally have enough sense to get out? Even though the majority of Americans want us out, why is neither Party very anxious to get us out NOW?
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
expat, any one capitulating on copulating is gonna get…………..screwed.
Republicans, as a means of policy, promote ethnic, religious, racial, regional and social hatreds.
It is their bread and butter. And has been since Reagan began perfecting the art.
And why the rest of the republic and planet can’t stand them…
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
1:22 pm
“keeps the Democrat party ”
There is no “Democrat party”
jm
February 27th, 2012
1:22 pm
“Slow news days are good days.
This President is as good as it gets.”
Yeah, slow. Other than Afghanistan imploding due to our failure of a President.
Guy Incognito
February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
Yes, sweet blujammad…girls going to school in Afghanistan must be stopped. Who are we to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to be thought of lower than the family dog?
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
“Not Obama. He studied the cards as closely as an 11th-hour amendment to a bill.”
Just like he studies the finite details of where our tax money is spent to avoid waste such as Solyndra, earmarks, etc. Is there anything Jay doesn’t think this guy is a genius at?
USinUK
February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
Erwin – “but go ahead and capitulate and let know me how that works out”
yeah. I don’t know HOW I could misread that statement
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
it will be too late and every teet sucker will be cast into the street like in Greece.
jm has seen all. jm will tell us the future! All hail jm.
jm
February 27th, 2012
1:25 pm
Doom 1:23 – 10 years from now Jay will be saying he wasn’t a HUGE fan of Obama.
Towncrier
February 27th, 2012
1:25 pm
“So who wants to be the first to say that apologizing for burning Korans is “apologizing for America?” Any takers?”
I guess Obama shouldn’t have crawled a mile on broken glass, judging from the results of said apology. Ever try apologizing to a belligerent and willful child? How did that go?
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
Bruno – Hate to say it, but this was one area where the free market wasn’t doing its job. I’m not a fan of the “single payer” system, but it wasn’t working. If it was working, I wouldn’t have $10,000 (still) in medical bills that I’m working to pay off from my wife’s hospital visit a year ago. But since she couldn’t get insurance, and wasn’t able to find full time work, I guess the system was working the way it was set up. But hey, I’m sure you have a better solution, let’s here it. Is the system working now? Will it be working in the future if you need it? Or do we want to improve it today, so that when you need it in the future, it will work the way you need it to? Like I said, it wasn’t necessarily the best bill in the world, definitely not the best solution, but it is a good starting place that we can build from. I haven’t found enough in it to dislike that I would want to scrap the entire thing anyway.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
Who are we to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to be thought of lower than the family dog
How did we get back on the Republican thoughts about women and their rights to control their own bodies.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
1:27 pm
“Yes, sweet blujammad…girls going to school in Afghanistan must be stopped. Who are we to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to be thought of lower than the family dog?”
Danm straight. Even If we gotta kill every danm one of ‘em so they get the respect they deserve.
Normal
February 27th, 2012
1:27 pm
jm
February 27th, 2012
1:22 pm
“Slow news days are good days.
This President is as good as it gets.”
“Yeah, slow. Other than Afghanistan imploding due to our failure of a President.”
It’s just mind boggling how his mind works…whew!
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
1:27 pm
“Great. So Jay want to give me the impression that our president may be gambling with our future”
ALL national leaders gamble with the futures of their population. ALL of them. So maybe it’s a good idea to have a GOOD gambler in office.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:28 pm
“Liquor in the front, and poker in the rear”
–Bill Clinton
jm
February 27th, 2012
1:29 pm
“ALL national leaders gamble with the futures of their population. ALL of them. So maybe it’s a good idea to have a GOOD gambler in office.”
Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Eye roll.
/out
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:30 pm
Thulsa – You realize that Jay was quoting someone else there?
Thomas
February 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
I am waiting for the great poker player to make a move against $109.07- the current price of crude.
fold or all in? The world economy is one big balloon- you can squeeze part of it but it will inflate on the other end. No one has ever been successful providing increased handouts, increasing tax revenue, and balancing a budget.
We shall await though-
Towncrier
February 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
“ALL national leaders gamble with the futures of their population. ALL of them. So maybe it’s a good idea to have a GOOD gambler in office.”
Even if I were to stipulate that proposition (which I don’t since there is no reasonable way to prove it), it is still an argumentum ad populum. Wouldn’t you much prefer someone acting strictly or mostly from principle, even if he or she were the first?
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
1:33 pm
“Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Eye roll”
I guess Jm prefers that a BAD gambler be in charge. Explains a LOT!
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
“I am waiting for the great poker player to make a move against $109.07- the current price of crude”
What should he do?
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
But hey, I’m sure you have a better solution, let’s here it. Is the system working now?
System definitely NOT working now, but it’s not the fault of free enterprise. It’s the lack of free enterprise for the most part. Medical schools limit the number of grads, state boards limit the number of new MDs. Prices out of line with what the market should bear due to an over-reliance on the third-party payment system. Wages way above average across the board. Nobody’s going broke with our current system except the consumers, which I expect to change little with ACA.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
Santorum won’t be a gambler. He’ll be too busy tacking up “Ten Commanments” plaques in all our town halls and courts.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
USinUK: I had a little of your mater soup left AND I had a little steak left (rare-med rare) SO I chopped up the steak, added it to the soup, and popped it in the microwave.
Completely awesome. The beef really took to the curry and mater taste (not that i would make it with beef). That was some really good soup. Thanks again for the recipe and the site. I’ll do some of the others.Maybe the beet soup next……
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
1:36 pm
“Wouldn’t you much prefer someone acting strictly or mostly from principle, even if he or she were the first?”
Why do you equate being a good poker player with having no principles? And no, if I think the leaders “principles” are WRONG I would NOT want them acting on those principles.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
Bruno – So you’re advocating non-licensed doctors and nurses that don’t have to go to accredited medical schools? I think I would rather stick with what we have no than take my chances with that idea. And the wages are fairly consistent for the amount of time and money it takes to become a doctor. Similar to lawyers having high salaries, but few complain about that because most people realize they have to sacrifice a lot to go to law school and build a successful practice.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
irRational,
Nope. My mistake. Nevertheless Jay still seems to have an adoring view that this guy can do no wrong.
If Obama were to tell his minions that a turd smelled like lotus blossom you would see a lot of Obamabots strangely lifting turds to their noses in expected nasal delight.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
I guess tomorrow and Weds will be all Mitt and Saint Rick on here. Be interesting to see which way Michigan goes.
mm
February 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
Snooze.
Another typical day of cons complaining but offering no solutions other than the tired mantra “Our party will solve all of our problems”. Well, the GOP made huge gains in 2010, and what have they accomplished? They’ve renamed alot of post offices.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:42 pm
Thulsa – That would be funny, but I think you overestimate the ignorance of some of these people. I would say it wouldn’t be more than maybe 75% of them or so.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:42 pm
this guy can do no wrong.
I guess Thulsa doesn’t realize the far left is really po’d at Obama for not going far enough on certain things.
Towncrier
February 27th, 2012
1:42 pm
“Why do you equate being a good poker player with having no principles? And no, if I think the leaders “principles” are WRONG I would NOT want them acting on those principles.”
Actually, to me the very dismaying thing is that hardly any candidate of either stripe spends much time articulating principles for the policies or they espouse. I mostly see rhetoric and campaign promises. I think we are at a point that we need a lot more than that. But that’s just me.
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
1:42 pm
Oh NO! Republicans have invaded Venezuela! If I were a gambler, I’d bet that deal will not work out in the long run.
Midori
February 27th, 2012
1:43 pm
off topic but completely HILARIOUS!!
http://images1.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2012-02-29colorKOS.png
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:45 pm
So you’re advocating non-licensed doctors and nurses
I believe what Bruno is referring to is the effect of the controlled supply of doctors in this country. That works to keep some prices artificially high.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:45 pm
Midori – Yeah, that was pretty funny. Now, let’s not give them ideas. You don’t actually want that to be something they start considering do you?
mm
February 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
“If Obama were to tell his minions that a turd smelled like lotus blossom you would see a lot of Obamabots strangely lifting turds to their noses in expected nasal delight.”
No, only cons exhibit that type of irrational behavior. For example, I offer up the following turds for your amusement:
Cain
Palin
Gingrich
Romney
Santorum
Bachman
Perry
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
Finn – It isn’t so much controlled as it is that people just can’t pass the tests or handle the school. Personally, I’m happy with that part of the system.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
So you’re advocating non-licensed doctors and nurses that don’t have to go to accredited medical schools?
If that’s the conclusion you drew from my statement, then I do say you have earned your moniker.
And the wages are fairly consistent for the amount of time and money it takes to become a doctor. Similar to lawyers having high salaries, but few complain about that because most people realize they have to sacrifice a lot to go to law school and build a successful practice.
I’m not just talking about doctors, dude. RTs in Atlanta can pull down $60K + depending on their specialty. RNs routinely make $70K + in Atlanta. It’s across the board. Not so much in the legal world, which doesn’t artificially limit the number of grads and licenses. Yor top attorneys make beaucoup dollars, but the average attorney is struggling, which at least gives the consumer some choices. I interviewed 3 attorneys a few years back, ranging from $200 per hour to $400 per hour. I eventually chose the most expensive guy, but at least I had a choice. Very little price transparency in healthcare.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
“Under my energy plan prices will necessarily skyrocket”- Obama
The one campaign promise he didn’t lie about.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
Hard to believe the high cost of gas is a strong hand to play, but at least he showed his cards:
“In September 2008, Barack Obama’s”Nobel-prize winning physicist” of an Energy Secretary, Steven Chu, told the Wall Street Journal: “Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”
“In 2008, then-candidate Barack Obama admitted that, like his future Energy Secretary Mr. Chu, he believed that high gas prices would be a good thing because they would force Americans to ween themselves off of oil, but that he would have “prefered a gradual adjustment.”
Yet the lib ilks and other delusional voters elected this euro-socialist knowing full well energy costs would significantly escalate as a result.
What’s the going rate for a gallon of algae?
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
1:49 pm
“Well, the GOP made huge gains in 2010, and what have they accomplished?”
The House has successfully applied a brake to O’bozo’s euro-socialist job-killing policies.
Thanks for asking.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:50 pm
Well, the GOP made huge gains in 2010, and what have they accomplished?
Economy much improved since the Repubs limited the nonsense coming out of Congress, thank you.
Mick
February 27th, 2012
1:54 pm
**Economy much improved since the Repubs limited the nonsense coming out of Congress, thank you**
It’s that type of thinking many would call illogical, simplistic observation applied to complex realities, nice try…
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
“since the Repubs limited the nonsense coming out of Congress,”
Ok, so what bills did they actually stop that would have made the economy worse?
Netbanker
February 27th, 2012
1:56 pm
I agree with Bruno on ObamaCare. It may look like he won with passage of the bill, but the devil is in the details and I fully suspect those details are going to bite us in the rear, HARD! Didn’t they have to add something to a bill to override part of the health care bill because folks realize the actual consequence?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
1:56 pm
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/27/vote_fraud_retires_shameless_gop_official/
wow, the hypocrisy
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
1:57 pm
So the economy is improving?
According the daily, fact-free tirades here, BHO is only destroying it.
Which is it?
This is all so cornfusing?!
And had McCain/Palin been running the show, unemployment would be down to 2% and gas would be $2 a gallon now, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auDv6cf2PBM
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
1:57 pm
Almost two years after the Deepwater Horizon oil drilling rig spewed nearly five million barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico, making it the largest oil spill in U.S. history, BP (BP) is close to cutting a $14 billion settlement deal with thousands of plaintiffs.
A massive civil lawsuit brought against BP, the oil giant who had leased the faulty Macondo deepwater oil well, was scheduled to begin Monday but was postponed one week by U.S. District Judge Carl Barbier. More than 120,000 plaintiffs are suing BP in the civil lawsuit, many of whom are local businesses and individuals impacted by the April 20, 2010 Gulf of Mexico spill.
It must be a bunch of danged Democrats trying to get huge settlements out of the oil company for a little inconvenient spill! Don’t they realize that they’ll only make BP charge us more for oil!
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
1:58 pm
It’s that type of thinking many would call illogical, simplistic observation applied to complex realities, nice try…
Mick–Hide your head in the sand all you want, but all of the major legislation coming out of the first two years had a dampening effect on business, from the new banking and credit card laws to the threat of new health insurance mandates. But I forgive you, being from North Jersey and all……
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
“since the Repubs limited the nonsense coming out of Congress,”
Yes, limiting the Republican bills does in fact limit the nonsense coming out of Congress.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
Fun piece, Jay.
Another characteristic I’ve noticed with the Pres – he learns from his opponents and adapts. And his opponents aren’t solely in the opposing party.
True too, AmVet. Hope the guy has at least another 20 years in him to fight the self-serving oligarchs.
F. Sinkwich
“What’s the going rate for a gallon of algae?”
Might I suggest a course of action when you hear something on talk radio or anywhere else, for that matter? Go to Google, type in a few key words and evaluate the results? That way you won’t be embarrassed by repeating what other listeners take in as pure truth?
If you’d do that with what Rush is saying about the Pres and algae, you’d find out (as I referenced in the previous thread, you can do a quick search) one of the major drivers of R&D and testing fuels and lubricants derived from algae have been the general officers in the Dept of Defense.
But the talk show clowns won’t attack senior soldiers. Just the Pres. Because they’re so concerned with truth and honest evaluation.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
Mick,
Whether you want to admit it or not the business community did squat, basically shed jobs and sat on cash when O and the Ds controlled all of Congress. It was only when the Rs took over the House that the business community felt more confident and things started to pick up. The thinking is that with the Rs in the house they can stalemate and thwart some of the damage O has or can do.
Conversely take a look at unemployment under W. Unemployment began to rise the month the Dems took over Congress back in 06 and the rest is history. Coincidence? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Just odd how that happens. Just like its coincidence that things really didn’t start to look better on the economic front until the Rs took over the house.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
Hey NetB–Great to see you. Hope life is good.
Verbal Kint
February 27th, 2012
2:00 pm
I used to be in this barbershop quartet in Skokie, IL.
Netbanker
February 27th, 2012
2:01 pm
Let’s chat about that Fair Pay for women thing for a moment. Too often the reporting is misleading because they report on average pay across all jobs, but fail to acknowledge that many women take lower paying jobs that offer much higher flexibility and/or shorter work hours. That isn’t an accurate measure of women’s earning power since women are overrepresented in some fields like teaching, hair stylists, manicurist, child care workers, etc. If the reports were per industry or job classification then we’re talking apples to apples and the difference in pay between the sexes pretty much disappears.
But it’s a real feel good issue to try to draw women voters.
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
2:02 pm
“coming out of the first two years had a dampening effect on business, from the new banking and credit card laws to the threat of new health insurance mandates”
I see, so they DIDN’T stop all those “economy dampening” bills after all. Thanks for clearing THAT up.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:03 pm
Bruno – Please explain to me exactly how the system “artificially limits” the number of medical professionals there are. I was under the impression that anyone that had the aptitude could go to medical school or nursing school and get their license, but I guess you have inside information that the rest of us don’t have? Yeah, doctors are expensive, but have you ever stopped and thought about why (except for some theory that the state boards are “artificially limiting” the number) that could be? And while you may claim you don’t have a choice in your medical care, you do. Yeah, when you go to the ER, they don’t necessarily give you a price list saying “okay, stitches cost x, and pain medicine costs y, can you afford one or do you think you can get the stitches without the meds?” but for major treatments, they do in fact have a price list, and if you work at it, you can shop around and find a better price. Trust me on that one, I’ve been there and done that. Interesting to know that you don’t agree with the market setting the price for wages though. Guess the government should come in and do that?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:05 pm
during the Bush administration’s unprecedented years-long attempt to prosecute “voter fraud” cases, they were unable to find a single case of in-person polling place impersonation — the only type of voter fraud such [voter ID] laws might serve to deter — across the entire nation.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:07 pm
It was only when the Rs took over the House that the business community felt more confident and things started to pick up
Oh, so NOW the conservatives are ready to admit the economy is improving – I guess they just had to figure out how to frame it in terms that make Republicans look like heroes?
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:08 pm
I was under the impression that anyone that had the aptitude could go to medical school or nursing school and get their license, but I guess you have inside information that the rest of us don’t have?
No inside info needed–There are a limited amount of slots available. For example, here’s the link to Grady’s RT program:
http://www.gradyhealth.org/imaging/
35 students per year accepted.
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
2:08 pm
So Obama folds unless dealt a sure winner? That must mean he will soon announce folding on Obamacare. A new USA Today poll found the majority so high for repeal in swing states they were embarrassed to print the number. Instead, they just state “a clear majority.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-23/swing-states-health-care-obama/53260222/1
mm
February 27th, 2012
2:08 pm
“Hide your head in the sand all you want, but all of the major legislation coming out of the first two years had a dampening effect on business, from the new banking and credit card laws to the threat of new health insurance mandates. ”
“Whether you want to admit it or not the business community did squat, basically shed jobs and sat on cash when O and the Ds controlled all of Congress. It was only when the Rs took over the House that the business community felt more confident and things started to pick up.”
You cons are funny. Pathetic, but funny.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
2:11 pm
Finn McCool,
And yet dead people still find a way to vote every year. But there’s no voter fraud of course.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
Bruno – You’re right! Limiting the number of students to the number that can successfully be taught by the available instructors is a HUGE conspiracy. You don’t think that EVERY school in the country has a limit on the number of students they can successfully teach in each class? I guess though that Grady is the ONLY place that teaches that? What? You say it isn’t? That there are other places around the country (and even others in Metro Atlanta?!?!?!?!) that teach it? Guess that “artificially limits” (really not sure what the “artificially” part is) your argument.
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
“So Obama folds unless dealt a sure winner?”
Still working on that reading comprehension I see. You need to work harder, you’re not there yet.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
Trust me on that one, I’ve been there and done that. Interesting to know that you don’t agree with the market setting the price for wages though. Guess the government should come in and do that?
I’m not recommending setting wages, I’m recommending allowing free market forces to be allowed to work in the first place. The government enforces anti-trust in other areas of business, so why not health care??
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
mm,
Not as funny as your empty retort.
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
2:12 pm
“And yet dead people still find a way to vote every year. But there’s no voter fraud of course”
Got proof of that?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:13 pm
iRational, those tests don’t just appear out of thin air – divined by God. They are written by the AMA or whomever.
Just like the Bar Association and lawyers, medical professionals live in a symbiotic relationship with the AMA. Those controlling entities are set up to limit the number of participants in order to keep the wages high. The more hurdles you put in place, the fewer the number of qualified applicants for school and certification. Both entities – the organization and the professionals who are members of the organization – feed off each other. Those hurdles are artificial barriers put in place to limit the number of participants.
Same thing goes for accountants.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
2:13 pm
The Korans were burned because the jihadists were using them to pass jihadist messages among the prisoners. In effect the jihadists were responsible for desecrating their Holy word. Now you couldn’t present that point to this mob in Afghanistan but you would certainly hope that most intelligent thinking Americans would understand and not agree that we should have to apologize.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:13 pm
Bruno – I guess we’re looking at two different systems here, or maybe it is my youth, but I’m not seeing a giant monopoly that controls all of the health care systems around the country/world.
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
2:14 pm
According to the GOP faithful, whatever the Republicans did, it correlated perfectly with the recovery from their Great Recession.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:15 pm
I guess though that Grady is the ONLY place that teaches that?
There are a limited number of “accredited” programs. Not sure why you can’t grasp that concept.
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
2:15 pm
Love that way cool Bonnie Raitt. A political agitator and slide guitar player of the highest caliber.
Raitt recorded the other eight songs on Slipstream with her longtime touring band, including a reggae-tinged cover of Gerry Rafferty’s “Right Down the Line” and a funked-up spin on Randall Bramblett’s “Used to Rule the World.” “To me, that song is about the Occupy movement,” Raitt says of the latter.
“It’s about the kind of hubris America has had, as if there are no consequences.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bonnie-raitt-tackles-occupy-wall-street-personal-tragedy-on-new-album-20120123
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZABHUJd6WQ
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
2:18 pm
“one of the major drivers of R&D and testing fuels and lubricants derived from algae have been the general officers in the Dept of Defense.”
Yeah, I saw that link you posted to an Eco-weenie website hosted by those with a vested interest in Eco- boondoggles, Paul.
The military should be buying bullets and such, not spending tax dollars on lib ilk wet dreams.
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
2:18 pm
Doggone – comprehend this – the majority of voters in swing states want Obamacare repealed. They won’t ensure repeal by voting for Obama. Is that plain enough for you or do we need to go over each syllable.
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
2:18 pm
“Now I find myself fully occupied and half alive
With your head, heart, arms and legs wrapped around my family pride
See the whites of their eyes then shoot
With all the romance of the Ton Ton Macoute”
– Thomas Jefferson
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:19 pm
but I’m not seeing a giant monopoly that controls all of the health care systems around the country/world
Perhaps you are unaware of the accreditation process, then. To apply for most professional licenses, you must first attend an “accredited” school. Then, the licensing board can raise or lower the passing standards at will in order to limit the number of licensees each year. Of course, the accrediting agencies are all populated by members of that profession, who have an economic interest in limiting the number of new licensees. The same thing happens outside of the health care profession as well. Is Stevie Ray pokes his head in, he can tell you all about the actuarial exams, which are “curved” such that the majority of applicants will automatically fail.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:20 pm
Finn – Shoot, and here I’ve been laboring under the impression that having well qualified doctors and nurses that kept up with current developments in their profession was a good thing. Man, you’ve really opened my eyes on this one! I have seen the light! Everyone, I now declare myself a doctor, and you can all come to my house where I’ll be preforming surgeries and doing exams from 5:30 pm to 11:00 pm every evening. Just make an appointment first!
Recon – Yeah, it is horrible to apologize for doing something that upsets a large number of people. No one is saying that destroying the Korans wasn’t right, we’re just saying that the way they did it wasn’t right. Maybe, if they had of gotten some Muslim clerics to dispose of them properly that would have been better, and proper, but they didn’t so they screwed up and if it will have any chance of stopping more soldiers from losing their lives, then it is most certainly proper that they apologize.
Don't Forget
February 27th, 2012
2:20 pm
Does anybody know if the Koran’s were burned “by themselves” or alongside trash and other refuse. That would seem to me to be the most pertinent issue. Yes the prisoners were using them to pass notes to each other which is not allowed but that would not justify burning them alongside trash which would be a stupid and disrespectful act.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:22 pm
the majority of voters in swing states want Obamacare repealed. They won’t ensure repeal by voting for Obama. Is that plain enough for you or do we need to go over each syllable.
JohnnyReb–I can only hope that the Repub candidates can keep this alive as a current issue. With so much time between the passage and implementation of the bill, might be easy for folks to forget about it. The fines are on the way unless the SC intervenes first.
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:23 pm
doomy/bruno
If we go by your logic about republicans and the economy, then this country should have been going gangbusters by the end of bush’s 2nd term. Instead, what we got was that day of infamy in 08 where bush uttered those great words of wisdom, “this sucker could go down”. Yeah, republican policies my arse and don’t give me that tripe about the dems taking over congress causing it, that didn’t happen until january 07…
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
“Doggone – comprehend this – the majority of voters in swing states want Obamacare repealed”
got proof of that?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:25 pm
Trade and immigration are not the only tools that the nanny state conservatives use to ensure a plentiful supply of less skilled labor and a relatively limited supply of more highly skilled labor. They also rely on government licensing requirements to limit the number of people who can work as doctors, lawyers, and in other professions requiring substantial education and/or training. Government licensing means that the nanny state arrests anyone who competes without the appropriate permit.
Licensing requirements do have a legitimate function: they can be a way to ensure quality. When we go to a doctor, we want to know that the person we see is more likely to make us well than to make us sicker. But the actual practice of issuing and controlling licenses is generally designed more to restrict the number of doctors, lawyers, architects, etc., than to ensure the quality of the services these people provide.8 Perhaps the most obvious way to recognize this fact is that the professional organizations themselves usually have a large amount of control over the number of people who are licensed into a profession in a state. If an association of dishwashers or custodians got to decide the number of people who could legally work as dishwashers or custodians, it is likely that the wages in these occupations would rise considerably.
http://deanbaker.net/images/stories/documents/cns.html#2
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:25 pm
Shoot, and here I’ve been laboring under the impression that having well qualified doctors and nurses that kept up with current developments in their profession was a good thing.
You’re creating a false dichotomy, Irrational. What makes you think increasing the number of med school grads will result in unqualified doctors??
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:25 pm
Bruno – I know all about professional licensing processes. I’m working through it now. But I still see it as a very good thing in certain professions that they put you “through the ringer” to insure that only those that are actually qualified are able to practice.
mm
February 27th, 2012
2:26 pm
“Not as funny as your empty retort.”
I don’t respond to con lies. It’s not worth the effort, because if one believes a lie, the truth certainly won’t change their beliefs.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
2:27 pm
Don’t Forget
If I am no mistaken the Korans were burned along with other material that was being used to pass notes and information
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:28 pm
With so much time between the passage and implementation of the bill, might be easy for folks to forget about it.
LOL. Bruno, it’s already being implemented. In fact, some will say it will now cost more to dismantle what has been put in place than to just proceed with it.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
Bruno – No, I’m not creating a false dichotomy there. I’m simply stating that having a board that forces these doctors, lawyers, nurses, accountants, ect. to go through licensing processes, and go to classes where they learn about developing trends and technologies isn’t a bad thing. Maybe you want your doctor to have last stepped in a classroom in 1980, but I want mine to be a bit more up-to-date than that. Also, no one is forcing these people to become doctors, they chose that on their own.
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
As if there wasn’t enough to dig her, sweet Bonnie has endorsed and contributed money to my political activist/consumer advocate hero, Ralph Nader.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0bzu8y0eZY&feature=related
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
LOL I should have realized an “Obama success” post would get the FoxBots out talking about the thing they are talking about most now – gas prices.
Anyone want to wager on how many hours it takes after they drop that major talking point that the conservabots here follow the new one?
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:30 pm
The military should be buying bullets and such, not spending tax dollars on lib ilk wet dreams.
I take that as an endorsement of cutting military spending back dramatically. Thanks Sinkwich!
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:30 pm
bruno
As far as jersey goes, my uncle who is now 85 is very influential with the local politicians, gave me a peculiar answer when it comes to party. I asked him whether he was a democrat or republican? He said, “whichever party is in power that’s what I am”. hmmmm…
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:30 pm
Speaking of over-inflated salaries, how are you doing today, DF??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wva7a_HZUU4&feature=related
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
You don’t have to increase the number of med school grads. Just open the door to more qualified foreign doctors.
In 1997 Congress tightened the licensing rules for foreign doctors entering the country because of concerns by the American Medical Association and other doctors’ organizations that the inflow of foreign doctors was driving down their salaries. As a result, the number of foreign medical residents allowed to enter the country each year was cut in half.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
Adam – I’ll bet you a $10,000 it only takes them about an hour.
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
Bruno: What makes you think increasing the number of med school grads will result in unqualified doctors??
What makes YOU think that just increasing the number of graduates will result in a different outcome?
Paul
February 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
F. Sinkwich
“Yeah, I saw that link you posted to an Eco-weenie website hosted by those with a vested interest in Eco- boondoggles, Paul.
The military should be buying bullets and such, not spending tax dollars on lib ilk wet dreams.”
You dismiss a story because of who repeated it?
You can go to DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Research Agency) or Military dot com or some of the DoD procurement websites and read all about it.
But I think you know that and don’t want to admit Rush, Hannity, et al are deliberately misleading you.
So you think DoD shouldn’t be purchasing fuel? You do know DoD needs fuel for aircraft, don’t you?
Or do you think they shouldn’t buy biofuel?
So you think general officers are wrong when they say being so reliant on mideast oil is a national security issue and to ensure advantage in future conflicts we need to get as little oil from them as possible?
Do you really think they are wrong?
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
2:31 pm
Doggone – any you question my comprehension. I provided a link to the USA Today article in my original post. Here it is again:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-23/swing-states-health-care-obama/53260222/1
Bruno – opposition to Obamacare is alive and well. This USA Today poll was just taken. Check out the link.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 27th, 2012
2:34 pm
Well, I don’t know what kind of poker player he is but this Obama’s got the best luck in the world. Of all the times for the economy to take off like a hound dog with a rear end coated with turpentine, this is the worst. Our only hope now is gas prices might could shoot up to 5 or 6 bucks a gallon and we can pin it on him.
Like the fellow in that great show sings, “If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all.” We left him with a mess like a poker hand with no face cards and no two of a kind and only two of one suit, and he done turned it into a royal flush.
We need this guy out of the White House and a godly Republican in there that can put the brakes on this Obamacare. We can get by with the health care we had. I know most of you wouldn’t mind turning your health over to Bruno or somebody like that. And you’ll probably be OK if he don’t mistake you for one of the women he takes out. Just be careful if he decides to check your rear end that both of his hands ain’t on your shoulders at the same time.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
USMC
February 27th, 2012
2:34 pm
Breaking News… Major Trouble in the Georgia DemocRat Party…
Turmoil in the Georgia DemocRat Party as the chief of staff of the party, Page Gleason, handed in her resignation…
Georgia Democratic party exec resigns; chairman denies financial crisis
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/02/26/georgia-democratic-party-exec-resigns-chairman-denies-financial-crisis/
(Happy Birythday Mick!)
Paul
February 27th, 2012
2:34 pm
Don’t Forget
“Does anybody know if the Koran’s were burned “by themselves” or alongside trash and other refuse. That would seem to me to be the most pertinent issue. Yes the prisoners were using them to pass notes to each other which is not allowed but that would not justify burning them alongside trash which would be a stupid and disrespectful act.”
You can read about proper disposal methods on numerous Islamic-referenced websites.
All they had to do was wrap them and stick them in a secure safe somewhere and forget about them.
There was an obvious breakdown (amazing, ten years into a war) that should not happen again.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
Mick–My family has been all Dems as far back as I can see. I’m the first renegade.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
Finn – But I thought we Americans should be willing to pay more for something that was “made in America?” Wouldn’t having more doctors that were educated outside the US go counter to that argument?
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
OH NO! People oppose “ObamaCare”! I suppose that means they also oppose the idea that insurance companies shouldn’t drop you because of an illness, or not insure you because of pre-existing conditions, or requiring large and mid-sized companies to provide health insurance to their employees, or allowing access to contraception….
Oh wait….
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:36 pm
usmc
Thanks…monday is an interesting b-day, there’s just no mojo to celebrate it and I’m totally up with that…
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
JR – here’s a comprehension problem. That article is about “swing states” but then says “the president has failed to convince most Americans that it was the right thing to do”
Now, I don’t know about how YOU view it…but last time I looked ALL the states are not “swing” states. So which is it? A “clear majority” of voters in the SWING states, or a clear majority of voters in ALL the states?
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
irRational,
No. I’ve read the same thing about medical schools and the like. They could expand to teach more except that in nursing I have heard that there is a shortage of RN instructors. At least that’s what the nursing schools say anyway.
Good example. My orthodontist clears 1 million a year. Orthodontistry school is very tough to get into and frankly there is absolutely no reason as to why they can’t produce more orthodontists. But I know for a fact that they keep the number of entrants very, very low. My ortho had to pay 100k as a “donation” to get his son into ortho school. Its really just a good ole boys club.
And I read a study where the most overpaid profession in America is the orthodontist. The girls who make 20k a year with no medical benefits do all the actual work and the ortho just checks their work.
Orthos even get together in “meetings” and discuss pricing- a clear violation of state law-collusion.I know this because one ortho that my family does work for walked out of the meeting after complaining to the others that this discussion was against the law.
My dad is a ortho lab man and I worked in the family business for 5-6 years so I know a lot about the ortho business since we literally worked directly with our ortho and his assistants. It always did bother me that they have the game rigged and that this is a guy who clears a million but won’t pay for health insurance for his girls and pays them really measley wages. Just doesn’t seem right and it almost brings out that little liberal hiding inside of Doomy.
And last thing and I’ll let it go. It now costs something like $6,000 on average for braces with him and to me a significant part of that is a tax so to speak on working families because of the collusion and the cap on orthodontists coming into the field. Its a classic case of the free market being denied and of the rich folks at the top making sure of limited entry. It just isn’t right.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
Bruno
“My family has been all Dems as far back as I can see. I’m the first renegade.”
Can I have your inheritance?
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
bruno
Sometimes I think you are just playing the devil’s advocate but you definitely have a conservative slant. My sister and her husband are P.A,s and they lean conservative also, most in the medical professions do…
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
USinUK,
Capitulate – 1) To surrender unconditionally or on stipulated terms. 2) to give up resistance.
What’s so hard to understand?
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
Doggone – quit playing games. Swing states are critical to any candidate getting elected. If the majority of voters in swing states are agasint Obamacare, who do you think they will vote for, Obama?
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:40 pm
Erwin: What’s so hard to understand?
How about the part that the definition you listed is in no way comparable to the definition for “apology”
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
“quit playing games”
They are reasoning beyond their data and it’s ME playing games? Try again.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
2:42 pm
Adam,
I never said it did or even attempted to make the comparison…
I meant “Go ahead and surrender…”
Common Sense
February 27th, 2012
2:43 pm
Another great fluff story…
Today he’s playing poker with other people’s money.
And the total debt clock says he is losing, and losing big.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:43 pm
All they had to do was wrap them and stick them in a secure safe somewhere and forget about them.
Paul–Maybe it’s just me, but I see this somewhat contrived outrage by the Afghanis as a cover for their deeper frustration that we’re there in the first place. And not that I blame them much in that regard.
Maybe it was the straw that broke the camel’s back, but there were a pile of straws there already.
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:43 pm
Americans are just plain all over the map when it comes to healthcare. Those that are against it, have no real solutions, they just hate it because they hate obama/dems. One thing is for sure, health care should not be run by companies for profit, that is the major problem…
USMC
February 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
“Thanks…monday is an interesting b-day, there’s just no mojo to celebrate it and I’m totally up with that…”–Mick
Yeah, I remember my last “Monday” B-Day. But I am sure you will come up with something down in South Florida.
I just got back from Sarasota and Palm Beach and must say the idea of living in Florida is awfully attractive.
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
cat, I missed the confab between you and expat. Were you guys discussing the Japanese aboard the USS Missouri or something? (grin)
Brother Mick,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glNjsOHiBYs
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
2:44 pm
They are reasoning beyond their data…
Plenty of that here on a daily basis. My late Da used to call it, “making too much stew from too little oysters.”
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
“Paul–Maybe it’s just me, but I see this somewhat contrived outrage by the Afghanis as a cover for their deeper frustration that we’re there in the first place”
That and it’s easy to rile a more or less undeducated populace. It’s to that advantage of groups like the Taliban to rile them up.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
Can I have your inheritance?
Paul, I’d share it with you, but I’d hate to lay that kind of debt on anyone.
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:45 pm
Erwin: So “apology” is not the same as surrendering or capitulating. I accept your concession of the argument.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:35 pm
“OH NO! People oppose “ObamaCare”! I suppose that means they also oppose the idea that insurance companies shouldn’t drop you because of an illness,”
Adam,
Complete and total BS- a lot like Obama’s proven lie on the campaign trail that an Ill. man died because his insurance company just up and decided to drop his coverage. I’ve never seen it happen and I’m friends with a man whose large agency has over 50,000 clients. He has never seen it happen.
“or not insure you because of pre-existing conditions”,
Well of course Adam. Lets let someone go all their life without paying insurance and then purchase insurance AFTER they get cancer or have a heart attack and get that condition covered. Its the same as buying car insurance 5 minutes AFTER you’ve had an accident.
“or requiring large and mid-sized companies to provide health insurance to their employees, or allowing access to contraception….”
contraception access is allowed today. The only difference is that you are expected to pay for it as opposed to asking others to pay for it. If you have a wife or girlfriend there is not a damn thing preventing her from going out and getting contraception.
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:46 pm
usmc
Those are two nice places, if you hate taxes – stay away from palm beach county. They will gouge you every which way from sunday. I’ve got some plans and they do involve some joe’s stone crabs…
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
My girlfriend’s hairdresser’s husband has an uncle that used to work with a guy that knew someone that had an agency with over 200,000 clients.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
Bruno
I do not disagree with that at all.
I made the point on this forum years back that some people fall into the trap of thinking “people all look the same. They have jobs and families. So they’re just like us.”
My point is, many others are definitely NOT ‘just like us.”
There’s a meaning to the word ‘foreign.’
And quite frankly, I’m willing to grant them their wish, remove our presence as a source of their frustration and leave them to their own devices.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Or do you think they shouldn’t buy biofuel?”
Yep.
“So you think general officers are wrong when they say being so reliant on mideast oil is a national security issue and to ensure advantage in future conflicts we need to get as little oil from them as possible?”
Nope.
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
“making too much stew from too little oysters.”
Love that.
And that Plant from the amazing Now and Zen…
Bruno, a buddy of mine went to the Dark Star show at the Variety Playhouse this weekend. Did you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc-eDaEZ4LU
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
jamvet
Thanks, I’ll have to wait to get home to see that link, this server blocks email and you tube…
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
Thulsa – Do you honestly believe that the ONLY instance of people not being able to get insurance because of pre-existing conditions is the one you described? That is ridiculous. But hey, keep believing what you believe.
328 more days
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
I bet he is a great “Liar’s Poker” playah
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
Thulsa: Complete and total BS- a lot like Obama’s proven lie on the campaign trail that an Ill. man died because his insurance company just up and decided to drop his coverage. I’ve never seen it happen and I’m friends with a man whose large agency has over 50,000 clients. He has never seen it happen.
Oh you’re totally right. Not a single person EVER has been dropped from insurance after paying in for so long for stupid reasons like that. No need to regulate them at all. I mean, after all, they “self regulate” anyway
Lets let someone go all their life without paying insurance and then purchase insurance AFTER they get cancer or have a heart attack and get that condition covered. Its the same as buying car insurance 5 minutes AFTER you’ve had an accident.
THIS from someone who “opposes” the individual mandate.
contraception access is allowed today. The only difference is that you are expected to pay for it as opposed to asking others to pay for it
So when I pay my premiums I am paying for someone else (who is also paying premiums) to have contraception (forced down their throat, no doubt, especially if they can be identified as Catholic)?
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
Adam – “Erwin: So “apology” is not the same as surrendering or capitulating. I accept your concession of the argument.”
No they are not the same, I never said there were the same, I never alluded that they were the same, I never intended to pretend there are the same….What exactly did I “concess”?
Towncrier
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
“Tell me you wouldn’t be pi$$ed if the, say, the Iranians took the Bible and desecrated it?”
Umm…no I personally wouldn’t be. I guess if God himself can suffer it, so can I:
“Whenever Jehudi had read three or four columns of the scroll, the king [Jehoiakim] cut them off with a scribe’s knife and threw them into the firepot, until the entire scroll was burned in the fire.
- Jeremiah 36:23
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
Kam – Haha.
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
So Doggone – USA Today is “reasoning beyond their data.” I believe translated that means, it’s against your desires so you refuse to believe it. If I had your address, I would send you a crying towel.
Doggone is illustrating the problem with the Left – they refuse to connect the dots. They want Obama to win, so anything that shows he will not is automatically not valid. They had rather believe talking points that Jay puts out regularly, the biased mainstream media, and that Obama will win because he is believed to be a good poker player.
Obama is over
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
What goes around, comes around:
33 years ago we had a liberal President in the White House:
-an economy in dire strights
- complaints about high gas prices and pipe dream programs from the White House emphasizing alternative energy
-attempts to mitigate Islamic fundamentalism through apology
-attempts to ease the U.S. into a less prominent global role
-Iran threatening to destabilize the Middle East
-Russia becoming more aggressive
-lectures from the White House on the evils of capitalism and the inequalities it creates.
- the only answer is to raise taxes on “them” (to be defined at some point in the future).
All Obama needs is a cardigan sweater and a killer attack rabbitt to complete the Carter transformation.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
2:51 pm
Paul
February 27th, 2012
2:49 pm
And quite frankly, I’m willing to grant them their wish, remove our presence as a source of their frustration and leave them to their own devices.
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Can’t we just kill a few more on our way out the door? Just toss a few random missiles or something?
Peadawg
February 27th, 2012
2:53 pm
Good article. But could that paragraph be any more cheesy/corny?
So, there’s a saying in poker – “if you can’t spot the sucker in the first half hour at the table…you are the sucker.” Who’s the sucker at a table with Santorum, Romney, Newt, Bachman, and Palin?
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
Who’s the sucker at a table with Santorum, Romney, Newt, Bachman, and Palin?
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That’s not a table, it’s a bowl……….. and it’s filled with nuts…….
USMC
February 27th, 2012
2:54 pm
“Those are two nice places, if you hate taxes – stay away from palm beach county. They will gouge you every which way from sunday. I’ve got some plans and they do involve some joe’s stone crabs…”–Mick
I heard that! … on some Joe’s Stone Crabs… not to be mistaken for Joe’s Crab Shack. LOL!
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
Peadawg: Who’s the sucker at a table with Santorum, Romney, Newt, Bachman, and Palin?
Just about anyone who would sit at that table could be called a “hustler.”
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
Mick
February 27th, 2012
2:43 pm
Americans are just plain all over the map when it comes to healthcare. Those that are against it, have no real solutions, they just hate it because they hate obama/dems. One thing is for sure, health care should not be run by companies for profit, that is the major problem…
Mick,
Nope. The problem is that as long as a 3rd party payor- insurance co. or perhaps a govt, is paying the bill the patient has no care or incentive to shop or to keep costs down because in his mind he is not paying the bill- the insurance is. And there are some real solutions such as getting the insurance co. out of the way of covering routine care, taking caps off of medical school entry, tort reform, and some other ideas. Demogoguery by the Dems in order to win more votes via a goodie giveaway is not a solution. And as for profit that’s not the issue. Insurance co. profits on health care are typically a measley 3-4% and hospitals avg 5%. So being for profit is definitely NOT the problem. But if you want to replace a 40k a year insurance clerk/paper pusher with a far more expensive 60k with very generous benefits federal worker in a single payer system then go for it. Just don’t complain when the costs soar out of hand.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
And quite frankly, I’m willing to grant them their wish, remove our presence as a source of their frustration and leave them to their own devices.
No armchair, general here, Paul, but I’ve seen many here suggest leaving a special ops force in Afghanistan to keep a lid on exported terrorism. That sounds a lot more sensible than an occupying force with no clear military objective.
Not sure if you’re going Ron Paul on us and suggesting a world-wide withdrawal, but I DO support our role as the world’s policeman, but only because I don’t trust anyone else to do it. Especially not the UN.
Towncrier
February 27th, 2012
2:55 pm
“Lets let someone go all their life without paying insurance and then purchase insurance AFTER they get cancer or have a heart attack and get that condition covered. Its the same as buying car insurance 5 minutes AFTER you’ve had an accident. ”
Well, that is the reason I think even Newt proposed a mandate – or at least require people to post a bond if they elected not to buy insurance. You simply can’t allow people to take advantage of the rest of us like that. So I personally am for making EVERYONE be responsible in some fashion.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:56 pm
his insurance company just up and decided to drop his coverage. I’ve never seen it happen
Happened to my grandfather while he was in the hospital! He worked for Presby College for 20+ years and goes in to get a third operation on an old WW2 injury and the the insurance co drops him. The school president went to bat for him and got him reinstated. That was stunning for a 15 year old. I’ve been a pinko ever since.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
2:56 pm
Bruno, a buddy of mine went to the Dark Star show at the Variety Playhouse this weekend. Did you?
Sorry, Jam, can’t buddy up with the offensive moniker today.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
2:57 pm
Bruno
One qualifier: I don’t think a lot of the man in the street outrage was contrived.
I think that reaction is a real expression of how they react to perceived blasphemy.
Sinkwich
““Or do you think they shouldn’t buy biofuel?”
Yep.
“So you think general officers are wrong when they say being so reliant on mideast oil is a national security issue and to ensure advantage in future conflicts we need to get as little oil from them as possible?”
Nope.”
Now take it a step further. Do you think the general officers are wrong when they say in order to lessen DoD reliance on mideast oil, we need to exploit domestic biofuel technology to fly our jets and fuel our ships?
If you think they are wrong, do you have a realistic suggestion on how DoD can reduce reliance on mideast oil?
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
2:57 pm
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
2:31 pm
In 1997 Congress tightened the licensing rules for foreign doctors entering the country because of concerns by the American Medical Association and other doctors’ organizations that the inflow of foreign doctors was driving down their salaries. As a result, the number of foreign medical residents allowed to enter the country each year was cut in half.
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Finn that is the shame of it. While reducing the number of foreign born Dr’s the politicians increased many fold the number of workers in IT, Nursing, Engineering etc. due to the H1b visa expansion.
For that I blame Y2k (Clinton) and Greed (Bush) along with Obama (don’t piss off the campaign contributors.
Peadawg
February 27th, 2012
2:58 pm
y’all seen this btw?
http://consumerist.com/2012/02/bankers-utter-disdain-of-the-99-leads-to-1-tip-tells-server-to-get-a-real-job.html
JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.
February 27th, 2012
2:58 pm
Umm…no I personally wouldn’t be.
Kudos to you, TC, for having a faith that is strong. Stronger than what anyone can do to a symbol. The way I feel about it when some cretin burns Old Glory. I can take it, because I love this country and our laws.
Yet I am almost certain that thousands of the more self-righteous, faux pious in the right wing don’t share your reasoned self-restraint. And undoubtedly would go batshiite crazy if someone – especially a Muslim – burned a Bible. Under any circumstances.
And thus their sickening hypocrisy.
Mick,
It’s a ditty from four guys from Liverpool. But not the one you’re probably thinking of.
Best wishes and many more, buddy.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
2:59 pm
the patient has no care or incentive to shop or to keep costs down
Yeah, because it’s the patient’s fault the costs are soo high, doncha know?
Adam
February 27th, 2012
2:59 pm
Peadawg: Wow. What is your take? I have no words.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:01 pm
Not sure if you’re going Ron Paul on us and suggesting a world-wide withdrawal, but I DO support our role as the world’s policeman, but only because I don’t trust anyone else to do it. Especially not the UN.
I don’t. Not unless you use the definition as “going in there like the wrath of God, blowing stuff up and leaving before the smoke settles” which isn’t real policeman like. It’s more like a vigilante. Now THAT I could live with. None of this”freeing people” or “giving them Democracy” BS. Retribution pure and simple. Then let THEM clean up the mess. The only thing I want left behind when we leave is the shell casings and their dead bodies.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:01 pm
Thulsa – So is the scenario where someone chooses to go without insurance their entire life and then goes to get it only after they have been diagnosed with a disease the only scenario you can see where someone would need insurance under the pre-existing coverage clause?
Peadawg
February 27th, 2012
3:02 pm
“Peadawg: Wow. What is your take? I have no words.”
If it’s indeed real…it’s sad. Like one of the comments say, “there can’t be class warfare when the 1% has no class”
Paul
February 27th, 2012
3:02 pm
Bruno
I’m not saying we leave and ignore. We protect our vital interests. And that can mean telling the Taliban in negotiations “you do what you did before 9-11, we’ll come back in and kill you. Understand?”
The Predators’ll keep flying.
I’ve no problem with protecting our interests. I’m not keen on our spending (no exaggeration here) trillions of dollars protecting our allies’ interests. And their interests are not always the same as ours. Separate that from the equation and the Defense budget can come down dramatically.
Peadawg
February 27th, 2012
3:02 pm
” but I DO support our role as the world’s policeman”
We have too many problems here to worry about the rest of the world.
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
Jeez, damn peer pressure.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7RPCFfudmU
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
3:03 pm
The problem is that as long as a 3rd party payor- insurance co. or perhaps a govt, is paying the bill the patient has no care or incentive to shop or to keep costs down because in his mind he is not paying the bill- the insurance is.
In the end, poor health due to poor health habits is our number one driver of costs guys. Without all of the unnecessary costs, insurance would be peanuts.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
3:06 pm
Adam and Pea,
Last I check gratuities were voluntary…Not that I agree with the banker, but he is well with in his right to do so….It is entirely her service stunk and got what she deserved in gratuities
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:06 pm
LOL Jamvet. You don’t give an olive branch, you do a whole TREE………..
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:07 pm
Erwin’s cat
February 27th, 2012
3:06 pm
Adam and Pea,
Last I check gratuities were voluntary…Not that I agree with the banker, but he is well with in his right to do so….It is entirely her service stunk and got what she deserved in gratuities
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It is HIGHLY unlikely that someone would work in a fine dining establishment like that and NOT be an excellent waiter.
Mick
February 27th, 2012
3:07 pm
doomy
I don’t have enough expertise to argue but when the ceo of united healthcare along with others is knocking down 200 – 300 million annually, something is wrong…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
Damn, reading this blog somedays reminds me that I don’t wanna grow old and bitter or just bitter like some of y’all. Some of y’all even seem to forget that you couldn’t even carry on the kind of conversation here that happens without somebody in your family, or even you, disappearing for a period of time.
It must reall suck to be that angry about stuff all the time….
mm
February 27th, 2012
3:08 pm
“Demogoguery by the Dems in order to win more votes via a goodie giveaway is not a solution.”
Wow, making people purchase insurance is a giveaway?
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
3:09 pm
If only Obama would show the same restraint with taxpayer money as he does with his money at the table…………. he will be approaching $5 trillion in added debt once his first term ends.
Doggone/GA
February 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
“I believe translated that means, it’s against your desires so you refuse to believe it. If I had your address, I would send you a crying towel.”
You believe wrong. That’s the problem with you cons, it’s all what you BELIEVE and damn the data. You should REALLY work on that reading comprehension problem and stop going by your GUT – because your gut is leading you wrong.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
One qualifier: I don’t think a lot of the man in the street outrage was contrived. I think that reaction is a real expression of how they react to perceived blasphemy.
I have to believe that if our presence was welcomed, even that would have been muted. But maybe not. Folks in that part of the world seem a little extreme to me. If a few books being burned accidentally is the biggest problem they’re facing, then I’m not following.
I’ve no problem with protecting our interests. I’m not keen on our spending (no exaggeration here) trillions of dollars protecting our allies’ interests. And their interests are not always the same as ours. Separate that from the equation and the Defense budget can come down dramatically.
Preaching to the choir, Reverend Paul.
mm
February 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
“It is entirely her service stunk and got what she deserved in gratuities”
The cons always find a way to defend being a jerk.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:10 pm
I take that back Cat. It’s NOT such a Ritzy place so poor service is entirely likely.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
Afternoon, Brosephus!
Some of them were just born that way.
http://tinyurl.com/7l6jkj6
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
Fred, following the theme of the thread, I’m a bit of an all in or all out kind of guy.
B’s friendship is important to me and I know that my persona here is not always all that cool. But as we’ve partied in the flesh, he knows that like Ferris Bueller, I’m one righteous dude! As is he…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAUW22XrnQw
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
So, a banker that sits on his ass all day behind a desk running his mouth on the phone tells a server that is on her feet all day to “get a real job.”
What a buttmunch.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
3:12 pm
Brosephus™
3:08 pm
It must reall suck to be that angry about stuff all the time….
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And that comes from the Angry White Man?
Daytona rescheduled till 7pm
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
3:13 pm
Doggone – I post a link to the Left leaning USA Today where a poll shows Obama loses not only in the swing states but elsewhere, but you think I need reading comprehension and to stop going with my gut. Did you graduate from UGA or were you a wannabe?
Normal
February 27th, 2012
3:14 pm
Datona 500 delayed…I bet they are having trouble with the Pruis’s and
Volts…
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
3:15 pm
I post a link to the Left leaning USA Today…<
Aaaannnnnnnnndddd I quit reading.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
3:16 pm
“Not a single person EVER has been dropped from insurance after paying in for so long for stupid reasons like that.”
I never said that its never happened. It has happened but its rare and the customer has the full recourse of appeals within the insurance plan as well as the legal system. If you have a single payer govt plan and get rejected for care which does happen then what is your recourse? Exactly. You have none.
“No need to regulate them at all. I mean, after all, they “self regulate” anyway”
I never said that. You did. They are regulated and quite well by state insurance commissioners and overlaying federal law.
“THIS from someone who “opposes” the individual mandate.”
I would simply structure it differently. As it stands now the mandate does not guarantee coverage. It will be cheaper for many to simply pay the small fine. So the problem was not solved to begin with despite your suggestion that it has been.
“So when I pay my premiums I am paying for someone else (who is also paying premiums) to have contraception (forced down their throat, no doubt, especially if they can be identified as Catholic)?”
Back to my central point Adam. Give people the freedom to pay for what they want to pay for and get the insurance companies out of paying for routine care. Let people pay for that and let insurance companies cover the unexpected and catastrophic events only. You don’t expect your car insurance to pay for oil changes or new tires so why should you expect your health coverage to pay for routine doc visits and labs?
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
3:16 pm
Jeez, damn peer pressure.
LMFAO.
Awesome Robert Plant selection earlier. He still sounds fresh to me all these years later. Listening to the JT right now.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:17 pm
Paul
Afternoon!! I always try to see things in this context. It usually keeps me grounded and away from that bitter zone.
http://mhong.jaring.org/fox.jpg
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Fred
I saw that. Somebody’s settin’ up a prime time delight. I prefer night racing myself anyway. That’s how it’s done at the small tracks on Friday’s and Saturday’s anyway.
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Mick
Happy B’day!!!
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:19 pm
If you have a single payer govt plan and get rejected for care which does happen then what is your recourse? Exactly. You have none.
Not 100% factual. There’s a reason why the medical tourism industry is growing, and it ain’t because of the ACA either. Many naturalized citizens and residents go back to their home countries for treatment because it’s usually cheaper. Many countries now have doctors who have trained and worked in 1st world countries like the US and UK, so it’s not like you’re going to 3rd rate doctors either.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:19 pm
Bro – Awesomely disturbing cartoon. Oh, and hi.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
3:19 pm
Bro
Who you picking tonight? I’m not a huge fan, but I think Gordon might open up a can………
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
3:20 pm
Short of him getting caught doing the wide stance in an airport restroom, Barack Obama is as good as re-elected.
As mediocre as he has been, the quality of competition is laughably weak.
Cons, prepare yourselves for a second McCaining…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY3ZvRfMcU0
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
3:20 pm
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
3:15 pm
I post a link to the Left leaning USA Today…<
Aaaannnnnnnnndddd I quit reading.
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So, are my feelings suppose to hurt?
Duper
February 27th, 2012
3:21 pm
If only little Barry would cancel the election and accentuate this autocratic power grab
once, for all & forever!! That’s what I’m talking about!!!
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 27th, 2012
3:22 pm
JamVet – “Barack Obama is as good as re-elected. As mediocre as he has been, the quality of competition is laughably weak”.
Can’t argue with that.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
3:22 pm
Brosephus
A pessimist looks at a situation and realizes it’s bad, it’s terrible, it’s absolutely horrible.
An optimist looks at that same situation and knows, no matter how bad things appear, they can always get worse!
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
3:23 pm
So, are my feelings suppose to hurt?
Am I supposed to care, one way or the other?
bman
February 27th, 2012
3:23 pm
There’s a car race? On Monday night?
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:24 pm
They BOTH
I’m going with Shrub. That kid has championship potential, and I haven’t seen anybody come in at that age with driving skills like that since Gordon.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:24 pm
Thulsa – Just to answer your question about why do I expect my insurance company to pay for check-ups and the like. Mostly because that is what I pay for. If I want to, I can buy insurance that only covers me in the case that something bad happens, but I have a choice right now, and am able to shop around and get something that covers exactly what I want (with a few added extras courtesy of the state legislature).
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 27th, 2012
3:24 pm
bman – “There’s a car race? On Monday night?”
Yes, but a car wreck might be a more accurate description.
mm
February 27th, 2012
3:24 pm
” never said that its never happened. It has happened but its rare and the customer has the full recourse of appeals within the insurance plan as well as the legal system.”
You are either a liar or a fool. Recission is a profit making tool.
“If you have a single payer govt plan and get rejected for care which does happen then what is your recourse? Exactly. You have none.”
Why would the government reject a person? To increase their profit? I don’t think so.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:25 pm
Paul – Guess that makes my wife an optimist.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
3:25 pm
“I don’t have enough expertise to argue but when the ceo of united healthcare along with others is knocking down 200 – 300 million annually, something is wrong…”
Mick,
I couldn’t agree with you more. Seems obscene for one man to make that kinda money but then that’s the exception and not the norm. And that was for one year. Other years he’s made 10-20 million which is less than a lot of average stick and ball players but with vastly more responsibility. But in that one year where he made that kinda money that equated to one in every 700 dollars of premium going into his pocket. If my family’s monthly premium is $700 and all of 1 dollar of it goes into his pocket I’m not exactly going to be upset. I want the guy with that kind of awesome responsibility to be paid well. And United has 70 million members. That’s like every member paying this CEO about 25 cents to 30 cents a month to manage their health care effectively. Not a crazy number.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
3:25 pm
its rare
rare? Then it wouldn’t really be a problem to the extent that congress would need to be involved, now would it?
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:26 pm
Paul – Actually I re-read it, and what I should have said is “guess that makes my wife an optimistic pessimist.”
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:26 pm
Paul
Exactly. People complain about the price of gas, but I’d rather pay that price as opposed to being out of work and not having the means or purpose for needing to buy gas. No matter what the situation is, I refuse to look at the negative without also addressing the positive in it. When all else fails, I remind myself that I am 2 feet above ground instead of 6 feet below.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
3:27 pm
Bro
It should be better than the set up NASCAR had them using last year…….. While I do not attend or watch as I once did…… Daytona and Talladega are must watches
The Duels were pretty decent and for anyone who watches NASCAR, plate races get dicey with 25 and less to go
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:27 pm
AMVET: Short of him getting caught doing the wide stance in an airport restroom, Barack Obama is as good as re-elected.
As mediocre as he has been, the quality of competition is laughably weak.
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Exactly. It’s not like he has done a great job. He hasn’t totally sucked as some have, but I doubt (unless something changes radically) that he will go down in history as one of the top 10. Probably not even top 20……….. except for being the first Black President.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:28 pm
Thulsa – Dang-it, when you look at high salaries from a rational viewpoint like that, it just isn’t as easy to demagogue them and make people who support people earning high wages seem evil.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
3:28 pm
why do I expect my insurance company to pay for check-ups and the like.
I think in the long run preventive medicine is cheaper than putting out fires after a preventable disease has taken hold. Then you are in emergency rooms and paying the big bucks.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
3:28 pm
(ir)Rational
sure covered the bases with her, didn’t you?
Brosephus
In other words, your cup it does run over –
Much nicer way to go thru life, I think -
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:29 pm
Fred – Word.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
3:29 pm
Look out for the Dinger tonight…AJ’s got Daytona magic with the win at the 24 earlier this year
Oscar
February 27th, 2012
3:30 pm
Probably not even top 20
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Top twenty is still a possibilty. Depends a lot on luck and what happens with the economy. If history says he guided us through the Great Resession he could be ranked pretty high.
Adam
February 27th, 2012
3:32 pm
Thulsa: If you have a single payer govt plan and get rejected for care which does happen then what is your recourse? Exactly. You have none.
Bullsh*t. There would be recourse either written into law or laws that could be drawn upon related to government keeping its word that you do NOT have when dealing with a private company. It’s much easier to hold the government’s feet to the fire than a private enterprise, as you probably know by now.
As for your “original point,” I would say that’s nonsense. Coverage existed for contraception in some plans prior to this, and was mandated in several states prior to this. It’s the way we have come to accept insurance coverage to be. If the first few companies who cover autos would also cover tire changes and oil changes and such, and other companies included it in their coverage soon after, then it would be something we would come to expect to be covered.
I happen to think car insurance SHOULD cover stuff like that, so they can keep a better track of your maintenance habits and decide what your premiums should be more accurately, don’t you?
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:33 pm
When all else fails, I remind myself that I am 2 feet above ground instead of 6 feet below.
DAAAAAAAMMMMNNNNNNNN You is one short brother. You got a flat head and own a liquor store? If so I know someone who wants to meet you………….
Oscar
February 27th, 2012
3:33 pm
Finn McCool
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Stats say you are wrong about the cost of medicine. Preventive care for everyone would be far more expensive. It’s cheap for people to get no care until they get a serious illlness that takes them to the emergency room where they are stabalized and sent home.
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:33 pm
Paul – Don’t get me wrong, she is the coolest person I know. But she consistently sees how absolutely horrible things are and knows they can be worse. If something good happens, she waits for the bad thing to happen to counter it. It works for her, cause before you’ve gotten done figuring out whether the situation you’re in is good or bad, she has already figured out EVERY scenario in which it could go wrong/be made worse. And then she figures out how to react to each of those scenarios.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
3:34 pm
mm,
Rather than just arbitrarily calling me a liar perhaps you should back up your claim about recission. Recission is a tool in insurance whereby an insurance company refused to pay your claim because it was obvious you bought insurance to get treated for that lump in your arm that had been growing for months and for which a prudent and reasonable person would have known something is wrong. Happens all the time. Someone knows something is wrong, goes out and buys insurance to get it covered, or lies on the app. And then is surprised when the insurance plan denies coverage for a lump the size of a baseball that a doctor reports would have been noticed long ago by a reasonable and prudent person.
I’ve often wondered mm. Why do you consistenly lampoon yourself with such silly posts?
One other thing and I’ll try and find the study but a study was done on claim denial rates. Most of the big health plans were around 2-3%. One big health plan was at 6.85%. The biggest denier of claims? Medicare at 6.88%
mm why do you make your nonsense so easy to blast out of the water with FACTS?
Medicare more likely to deny claims than commerical health insurers
June 30, 2008 in Health Insurance, Medicaid/Medicare | 11 comments
According to an article on TheHill.com, Medicare denies more claims than commercial insurers.
“Medicare was the most likely to deny any part of a claim, with a 6.9 percent rate. Aetna was a close second at 6.8 percent while the others ranged from 2.7 percent to 4.6 percent.
Coventry Health had the fastest median turnaround between receiving a claim and responding, at four days, according to the AMA. Medicare and CIGNA took a median 14 days; Humana and Aetna, 13 days; Health Net, 11; United Healthcare, 10 and Anthem, seven.”
http://healthcare-economist.com/2008/06/30/medicare-more-likely-to-deny-claims-than-commerical-health-insurers/
Adam
February 27th, 2012
3:34 pm
Oscar: It’s cheap for people to get no care until they get a serious illlness that takes them to the emergency room where they are stabalized and sent home.
That’s only cheap because they don’t have to pay for it at all under current law, and seek to avoid going in to any medical service at all costs until things get so bad that an ER visit is required.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
3:35 pm
I think in the long run preventive medicine is cheaper than putting out fires after a preventable disease has taken hold.
The cheapest medicine is to take care of yourself, which is what I practice. For some reason, it’s not popular these days. Our sedentary lifestyle isn’t good.
Speaking of which, I better get off my butt and get a few things done. Enjoyed the chat.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
3:35 pm
(ir)Rational
Must be great when nothing’s on but reruns!
“Hey Honey, did you hear…..”
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
3:36 pm
What were the bonuses for the other executives of UHC?
What was the Board of Directors compensation?
You can’t JUST look at the top exec. and pretend many others in the organization did not receive bonuses out of line with the realities.
I am not picking on UHC, but many other organizations have the same exec. compensation rules
Greedy bastids
(ir)Rational
February 27th, 2012
3:38 pm
Paul – I plead the 5th.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
It’s much easier to hold the government’s feet to the fire than a private enterprise, as you probably know by now.
Ever dealt with the IRS, or some local govt who takes your land under eminent domain?? Not even close.
I happen to think car insurance SHOULD cover stuff like that, so they can keep a better track of your maintenance habits and decide what your premiums should be more accurately, don’t you?
I’m praying you’re joking with this suggestion, but knowing you, probably not.
Back at ya, Jam Man. Gotta run,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOeRWKCmhRg
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
Oscar, link to those stats you mention?
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
If only Obama would show the same restraint with taxpayer money as he does with his money at the table…………. he will be approaching $5 trillion in added debt once his first term ends.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
3:40 pm
“It’s much easier to hold the government’s feet to the fire than a private enterprise, as you probably know by now.”
How you come to that conclusion is nothing short of mindboggling. The govt is the govt. They have the final word on many a things said and done. Try going up against the EPA on a dispute over whether or not your property is a wetlands. You’ll find you are going up against an entity that doesn’t have to meet or make a profit and can and will break you if a govt bureaucrat simply decides to teach you a lesson. Their power and checkbook is unlimited. A corporation will often settle claims they shouldn’t even pay just to avoid higher legal costs. Happens all the time. Corporations also have to make profits and every dime spent fighting legitimate claims that will ultimately go against them is money foolishly spent. And they are ultimately answerable to govt. Govt is answerable only unto itself.You better damn well hope you never have to go up against a ticked off govt entity.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:41 pm
They BOTH
I hope so. The cars seemed like they’re back to the previous set up where you can run but not completely get away. I didn’t like that two-man tango last year.
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Paul
It makes handling stress much better. I already have enough stress from the job, so I don’t wanna go around adding more and more everyday.
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Fred
Nah, 6ft tall here. I do enjoy having my left and right foot above ground though. I’ve had the fortune of not being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It only takes one of those instances to really get you to appreciate life. I’ve also been lucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time but not standing in the exact spot for sh*t to go downhill.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:42 pm
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
If only Obama would show the same restraint with taxpayer money as he does with his money at the table…………. he will be approaching $5 trillion in added debt once his first term ends.
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You posted that under your other handle already and we ignored it there too.
Joseph
February 27th, 2012
3:42 pm
Obama’s economic record:
http://twitpic.com/8jzf20
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
he will be approaching $5 trillion in added debt once his first term ends.
Got a list of programs/expenditures to show where that debt is because of him and not previously signed legislation? I can guarantee that there are more in congress who have more to do with that $5T than Obama.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
Bro – thank goodness you are taller.
It was either that or I was going to say I know who’s doing the cavity searchs.
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
3:45 pm
The govt is the govt.
Sashimi is sashimi.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
3:45 pm
mm,
I’m always here to help educate you sir.
Why do commercial health plans have lower claim denial rates?
Why is this? It could be the case that commercial health insurers have more efficient claims processing centers. While economists generally believe that the private sector is more efficient, in the case of health insurance claims firms make more money when they deny more claims. Thus, I am not sure that the profit motive is leading to more private-sector claims approvals.
Competition between insurers may increase claims approvals. Most physicians and hospitals must take Medicare because it represents so large a share of the helathcare spending. On the other hand, physicians may only accept patients whose insurance companies have prompt payment with fewer denials. This leads to some incentive for insurance companies to decrease claims denials.
Another reason for the differential claims denial rates is the demographics of Medicare and commercial insurance enrollees. Almost all Medicare enrollees are over 65, while commercial insurers have enrollees who are of varying ages. Since older individuals are more likely to demand high cost medical procedures, if high cost medical procedures are the ones that are more likely to be denied then Medicare’s higher denial rate may simply be due to the composition of its enrollees.
Whatever the reason, the fact that Medicare denies more claims than commercial insurers should dispel the myth that the government is simply a benevolent entity, while commercial insurers are ruthless, profit-hungry wolves. The truth–as always–lies not in the black nor the white but in the gray.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:45 pm
Brocephus (and Both and any other NASCAR nuts): How would you like to see them take the restrictor plates off and run the same course as they run for the Rolex race? They would be able to build up enough speed to go airborne, but they would for damn sure be booking when they got to the Chicane…….
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
3:46 pm
Right now, BHO deserves a ranking – from this major historian (grin) – about the middle of the pack. Not great, but in comparison to his terrible predecessor, a HUGE improvement.
And probably that alone accounts for a big part of the return to some sanity and hope in this country.
Notwithstanding his often lackluster, milquetoast efforts in a lot of areas, if he does get re-elected, I suspect some big things are in the works.
The consequences of that disastrous administration that I alluded to above, I predict that the deadly, morally bankrupt and incompetent neo-cons will continue to stand on the outside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, looking in, for a long time to come…
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
3:46 pm
They wouldn’t be able to build up enough speed to go airborne……..
JohnnyReb
February 27th, 2012
3:47 pm
Here’s one man’s opinion on Obama’s energy plan and how well Barry plays poker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVjrx253lQw&feature=email
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
3:48 pm
Brocephus
You are correct, that would be Democratically controlled Congress of 2007-2010……… the greatest debt incurring Congress of our history
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:49 pm
NoCom
I ain’t searching ANY body cavities. Period!!
Fred
I’d love to see them run the road course at Daytona. I’ve always held the opinion that they should cut back on those 1.5 mile cookie cutters and add another road course or two. You can’t call yourself a great driver if you can’t handle that right turn.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
3:50 pm
You are correct, that would be Democratically controlled Congress of 2007-2010……… the greatest debt incurring Congress of our history
I usually try to stay away from the namecalling, but you are one dumb SOB if you really believe that garbage.
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
3:52 pm
Republican mythology in this contentious, messy primary season is that the perfect candidate will ride into the Republican primary in March or April — or maybe wait until August and a brokered convention — to fill the unmet needs of the 44% of Republican voters not satisfied with their choices.
News flash: Not going to happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/27/politics/crowley-gop-knight/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
44%?
Yikes. the cons are not even going to need the help of anyone else to lose this thing…
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
3:52 pm
It was interesting to watch the races at Road Atlanta years ago.
Seeing cars built for speed (vettes, etc) trying to take the hairpin turn and ending up going into the grass.
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
3:53 pm
Sorry Bo the truth hurts…….. Democrats controlled both houses of Congress in that 4 year period. Name call all you want but it won’t change what they did.
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
3:54 pm
It was interesting to watch the races at Road Atlanta years ago.
It was even better watching the bikes on that same course.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
3:54 pm
Bro – the term is ignorant not dumb
Jm
February 27th, 2012
3:55 pm
“I ain’t searching ANY body else’s body cavities. Period!! Of course I do keep my head up my own arse all the time”
Sorry bro, had to make that correction for you.
It was almost too easy.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
3:55 pm
Kam – A guy I met in Winston Salem NC road in those races for a while.
More balls than brains I always said
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
3:56 pm
Common,
Before they reconfigured Road A (turn 11) “The bridge turn” was one scary place…the dip (bottom of 10) was a hard place to keep your foot on the gas as well…
Stevie Ray
February 27th, 2012
3:56 pm
I finally figured my position on all this…assisted by George Carlin:
Assumptions:
No honest and competent folks want to run for office.
All politicians are dishonest and incompetent.
Now I have decided not to vote since any vote validates support for dishonest and incompetent office seekers. Ergo, if I don’t vote, I am being patriotic as not voting for the dishonest and incompetent (BO, Bush, DEMS, GOP). Further, my right to complain remains in tact compared to anyone who voted. If you voted for incompetent and dishonest electorate, you have no one to blame but yourselves and ergo, have not right to complain….
JAY, I really can’t believe you truly think BO’s sh*t don’t stink any less than the rest…
Paul
February 27th, 2012
3:59 pm
Keep Up
“The govt is the govt.
Sashimi is sashimi.”
And sukiyaki is sukiyaki!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtsXEJOlKwU
Oscar
February 27th, 2012
4:00 pm
Oscar, link to those stats you mention?
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Google “costs of preventive medicine” and read some of the articles. There are arguments running both ways.
Stevie Ray
February 27th, 2012
4:00 pm
JAY,
Now that you’ve enlightened me on your pal BO’s shrewd poker skills (Really?) I finally have an analogy to same. If you ever listened to Dr Demento, you may recall a song about “Irving, the 142 fastest gun in the west…” I bet he was a conservative poker player as well…
Paul
February 27th, 2012
4:00 pm
Sorry Kamchak
That 3:59 was for you -
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
4:01 pm
Cat – saw a lot of them back in the day and the fun was watching the guys racing that were footing the bill themselves.
Watched a dentist from Florida blow his engine next to where we were camping and watching, he came up and had a beer while waiting for the race to end and his tow. He said it was rather expensive but he would rather raise a race car than kids
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:04 pm
JOSE
You should quit while you’re behind. Either that, or attempt to ply your trade with some other person who lives on rhetoric. Unfortunately, I’m not that person.
http://reason.com/archives/2008/04/07/the-trillion-dollar-war/singlepage
At the end of December, Congress approved $70 billion in bridge funding—a down payment to cover the gap between the beginning of the fiscal year and the passage of the actual appropriation bill—to keep financing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Legislators at the time were still chewing on the rest of President George W. Bush’s request for a fiscal year 2008 war budget of $196 billion. Should that funding be appropriated—and if recent history is any guide, it certainly will—then the total price tag for America’s present wars will rise to at least $822 billion, approximately 80 percent of which will be spent on Iraq.
[...]
These runaway costs do not include a single dollar from the Pentagon’s annual operating budget, which in 2008 reached a whopping $481 billion. If the war were being accounted for based on a rational, transparent budget process instead of an opaque and politicized shell game, Americans would be painfully aware that we are now in the seventh year of what the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has called a $1 trillion war.
[...]
Once a small blip among federal outlays, emergency supplementals have exploded since 2002, when the Republican Congress let a key legislative restriction on their use expire. In May 2007, President Bush signed into law the biggest supplemental bill in history, $120 billion, to fund military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan ($100 billion) and pay for hurricane recovery and agricultural disaster relief at home. This came just five months after Congress approved another $70 billion emergency request for the wars. By contrast, the average annual amount of emergency supplemental spending in the 1990s—a decade that saw interventions in Iraq, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo—was just $13.8 billion
So, try to blame the recent congress all you want to, but nobody with any common sense would cut taxes twice while passing multiple “emergency” supplimental appropriations bills that each totaled more than what was done in the same manner for the previous decade. That’s where that $5T comes from. The reason Obama’s budgets are much higher is because he’s not financing the wars through emergency appropriation bills. There’s a big difference between the two administrations there. One put the war on the books to show how much it costs while the other one did not.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
4:04 pm
I’m more inclined to believe preventive care can save everyone a beacoup of money down the road:
Preventive healthcare should be considered an investment or personal insurance, with keeping your retirement nest egg as your return on investment. Take advantage of any preventive benefits that your insurance company offers; seriously, these companies are happy to cover preventive medical expenses because they have the statistics that proves how much it saves them down the road. Insurance companies employ many people with degrees in finance and economics, so they know the importance of maintaining good health and how expensive it is to treat a chronic illness or serious malady.
For you and me, the choice regarding our health is simple: Either invest a relatively small amount (which may be covered 100% by insurance) in order to stay in good health, or pay a huge amount later to treat the disease that is bound to eventually hit us. Since major medical expenses could easily exceed our maximum insurance coverage, this second choice could cause us financial ruin as well. Weigh the relatively inexpensive cost of regular check-ups against the enormous expense of major care such as cancer treatment or long-term home healthcare visits by a nurse or health aide. Major medical expenses often destroy a person’s life savings; adding the insult of poverty to the injury of physical suffering. The years of frugally planning, saving and investing in order to enjoy your retirement years can be erased by neglecting physical health during those same years. Remember, most diseases are highly preventable by subscribing to preventive healthcare habits.
http://www.wrf.org/preventive-healthcare/preventive-healthcare.php
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:04 pm
Stevie ray
Vote Republican
If the pols and government are incompetent (they are), at least the republicans support having less of the insanity
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
4:04 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common – Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
3:52 pm
It was interesting to watch the races at Road Atlanta years ago.
Seeing cars built for speed (vettes, etc) trying to take the hairpin turn and ending up going into the grass.
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Two things: My accountant (an old man lol) used to race in the “Sportsman Division” when they still had such a thing during the Petite Le’mans up there.
Second thing: I watched an SCCA race there once and the in the “top” class (whatever they called it) they had one stock car (like a Cup car) in the mix with the rest of the “road race” cars. It amazed me. He blew their freaking doors off. I would have never believed it had I not seen it.
Bro: i’m with you. I love the road races myself. Since I quit covering NASCAR all I usually watch is Daytona 500 (but not the Pepsi 400) Talladega and the two road courses. If I happen to have NOTHING better to do, I may tune in for some others, but not much and not often when FOX has the coverage.
BTW: That writing thing fell through it looks like. Seems dude was full of sh……. something.
Stevie Ray
February 27th, 2012
4:04 pm
BRO,
I note you were engaged in a deficit whodunnit above. What’s the difference…
From NYT 2/27th…yes that NYT’s
But the downsides for Mr. Obama have become clear. His partisan turn undercuts a central promise of his 2008 campaign, to rise above the rancor. And by neither embracing Bowles-Simpson nor explaining his objections and quickly offering an alternative, Mr. Obama arguably failed to show leadership on perhaps the country’s biggest problem. This month, in a New York Times/CBS News poll, 59 percent of Americans disapproved of his handling of the deficit.
Looking back, administration officials insist that Mr. Obama was right not to adopt the commission plan. “You couldn’t get a C-plus on a political strategy paper that argues that would be the way to get something done,” said Gene Sperling, an economic adviser
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
4:05 pm
Common,
I still do club racing and it IS the most financially destructive hobby a person could have….fun stuff though when it’s working and you’re in rhythm
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:07 pm
NoCom
Ignorant gives the impression that one knows better but just refuses to believe it. I don’t think JOSE fit’s that definition. I don’t think he’d know the truth if it was tattooed on his forehead so that he could read it every morning while brushing his teeth.
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jm
Even if that were the case, I’d still have more brain above my shoulders than you…
Two can play that game.
Stevie Ray
February 27th, 2012
4:07 pm
JM,
No way I vote GOP unless Christie comes off the sidelines and I get more value per pound. Can’t honestly vote for any others except Paul….can’t vote for the incumbent dope…Father Santorelliotorum scares me to the extent I want to call Father Maron to exocise his demons. Romney looks the part but that’s where it ends….
No, I’m sold that my strategy of staying home and getting stoned immaculate is best for me so I will maintain the right to complain..
Thanks for the offer..
Kamchak
February 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
Common Sense isn’t very Common – Papist Independent
Yeah, them biker boyz are nutso. They’d crack open the throttle on the straightaways and hafta lean out over the bikes to keep the front wheel on the ground. That’s a lot of horsepower per pound.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
” The reason Obama’s budgets are much higher is because he’s not financing the wars through emergency appropriation bills. ”
Lie. There are many reasons the deficit is higher.
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
Ask not what Rick Santorum can do for you, ask what can you do for Rick Santorum. ~Thomas Jefferson
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
4:09 pm
Recon — “Now you couldn’t present that point to this mob in Afghanistan but you would certainly hope that most intelligent thinking Americans would understand and not agree that we should have to apologize.”
You would also certainly hope that most intelligent, thinking Americans would understand the difference between ‘banishing all religious thought’ from the public square and rejecting purely theistically-motivated public policy initiatives, but if the posts on this board are any indication, that’s a lost hope, too.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:10 pm
Stevie Ray
Do you fault Obama for taking a partisaned turn? Dude set his own party out in Congress during the debt debate. Everytime he stuck his hand out, GOP leadership took a dump in it. If I were him, I would have turned long ago. I would have made Denzel’s character in Training Day look like Gumby.
carlosgvv
February 27th, 2012
4:10 pm
Doom – 3:40
Govt. bureaucrats can and will jerk you around because of one simple fact – they have no other one to compete with. If you don’t like paying taxes to the IRS, where else can you go? They can and will abuse you, knowing you have nowhere else to go. Utilities are the same. If you don’t like GA Power, where else can you get electricity? Competention forces providers to be at least half-way decent. No competention brings out the worst in people.
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:11 pm
Bro
All the Dems had to say was NO Bro………. but the Democratic Congresses of 2007-2010 said yes to the absurd spending of Bush in 2007-2008 and then said OH YES to the outrageous spending of Obama in 2009-2010……………. now if you want to argue that a good percentage of the debt accumulated is in fact that revenues are way down we can agree………… but to dismiss the effects of the Democratically controlled Congress of 2007-2010 is naive………. The only control on spending is in the current year……….. You probably believe both parties when they say we will CUT spending in future years by Congresses that have no legal obligation to honor the words……..
godless heathen©
February 27th, 2012
4:12 pm
Well I ain’t no weatherman, but the radar in the Daytona Beach area isn’t looking too good. Might be a long night before the race ends. I hope I get to see a few laps before the DVR takes over.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
4:13 pm
Yo Cat: By club do you mean SCCA? http://www.scca.com/clubracing/
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
4:13 pm
‘I like to watch’
Thomas Jefferson
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:14 pm
There are many reasons the deficit is higher.
So, you’re saying that if Bush’s emergency appropriations were added to his budgets, they would not be more in line with current budgets? Many people try to tie the FY2009 budget to Obama, but that one was signed into law by GWB. Obama had one budget with the Democratic Congress. Since then, there have been continuing resolutions.
If you belive that bs above, then point out what Obama expenditures added $5T to the Debt? I haven’t found a single person yet, left or right, that can show where Obama spent $5 trillion OVER what our revenues were.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:15 pm
Stevie ray
U got it backwards
If you don’t vote u don’t get to complain
Mitt will set the ship of state back on the correct course, if it is feasible
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
Carlos, what is it with this “fear the government” thing? Do you really think government employees are sitting around trying to figure out new ways to stick it to the American public?
Do you think government employees all come from a magic evil place from which they drive into cities to work at these jobs? Ever think that maybe some of your neighbors and the people you see in church might be government employees?
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
Fred,
Yes…SCCA in the 90’s..NASA more recently
http://nasaproracing.com/
Stevie Ray
February 27th, 2012
4:17 pm
BRO,
Not the point I’m making. His polling results on deficit are abyssmal and will get worse before better. Point is his leadership once again, was not on display…especially after stiffing the panel (along with GOP) they appointed who produced a solid plan. All BO et al cared about is that the money flowed in 2012…trying to pretend this is even a topic worthy of meritorious debate is silly IMO.
BTW, I forgot the last of Carlin’s assumptions which is KEY:
As a general rule, we are an ignorant and selfish lot (using a credit card to buy sneakers with lights)…google George Carlin: Politicians…you will dig it the most.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:18 pm
JOSE
Until you’re ready to own up to that reckless spending prior to 2007, you can keep your RedState, Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Michael Savage, or whomever bullet sheet you’re reading from in your pocket. You won’t get far with me trying to blame one side when both are guilty. If you can’t blame the side you support for their part, then don’t push it off on the opposition. That makes you look like a huge hypocrite. Our country would be much better off if there was much less hypocrisy and more introspection on how to keep from doing the same thing over and over and over.
However, given the mental accumen that you put on display here, I suspect you’ll keep on blaming Democrats. Hell, you probably blame Democrats for what’s wrong in Georgia too.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
4:18 pm
Bro – that tattoo needs to be done backwards so it can be read in the mirror
pogo
February 27th, 2012
4:20 pm
Jays slobbering love affair continues. Journalism is dead in America.
Stevie Ray
February 27th, 2012
4:20 pm
JM,
Respectfully disagree. IMO, government and the masses who think it matters are selfish, ignorant, dishonest and incompetent. Do you really think it matters or anything will change whether the spineless wonder, the morman zillionaire, or Father Santini get elected?
How can you truly think anyone’s vote counts for crap if this is the case. All go’vt does is disrespect our cash, run for re-election, and be reactive to the needs of big money. I guess you condone all of this? No way I think that is true.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:22 pm
Stevie Ray
I’ll give you my opinion on Obama’s leadership. His job is to lead the executive branch. His job is not to lead congress. If those jackasses can’t figure out things on their own, I doubt very seriously they are going to listen to him. As much as the GOP has been antagonistic towards Obama, I think that dude deserves major kudos. As much as I like to remain calm and above the fray, I would have snapped on folks in DC a long time ago. You put me in Obama’s place, and I would have made myself a one-term POTUS. But, before my last year was done, I would have gone completely through Congress with a 2X4 like Joe Don Baker in “Walking Tall”.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:22 pm
” I haven’t found a single person yet, left or right, that can show where Obama spent $5 trillion OVER what our revenues were.”
Go look at the treasury debt tables. That gets you about $4T. And Obama is wracking up another $1T between now and the next inauguration.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
NoCom
I doubt he’d read it anyway.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
4:26 pm
It’s all a plot by the RNC, they have run the whale shyte candidates this time to weed out all the nutsters and perennial losers. With that and drying up the nutcase donors means that they MIGHT run a viable candidate the next time around.
The have seen the light and know the TPer’s, far right wingers along with the past administration have tanked the economy and are trusting the Dems to revive it.
I love conspiracies
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:27 pm
Stevie ray
I obviously don’t condone the waste and disaster that is our federal government
Romney will make a far more competent manager of the unwieldy government than either santorum or Obama
He will wield executive power to make government more effective where it is needed, he will cut it where it isn’t needed, and he will reform the long term entitlements that eventually destroy our country if nothing is done.
Vote mitt 2012
It matters
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:27 pm
That gets you about $4T. And Obama is wracking up another $1T between now and the next inauguration.
What policies? I’m not talking amounts, I’m talking policies. The most expensive single item to date that Obama has signed was the Stimulus. Given that 1/3 was in the form of tax cuts and not spending, that one is about $500-$600 billion, depending on the estimates. So, where is Obama generating the trillion dollars. What program/legislation has he signed that’s adding that much to the debt?
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:27 pm
Bro
Don’t misunderstand me………. I agree………. Iraq war, Bush tax cuts and Medicare D were huge reckless spending…….. Republicans are just as corrupt and big spenders just like Democrats………. But nobody compares to the Democrats in the 4 year period……….
You can blame Democrats in Georgia………. Georgia 50th in the nation in education……… proving that both parties are incompetent……………… But not as bad as the Democrats who enacted using lottery money collected from minorities to subsidize the college education of upper middle class white kids……… what a state
Netbanker
February 27th, 2012
4:28 pm
“during the Bush administration’s unprecedented years-long attempt to prosecute “voter fraud” cases, they were unable to find a single case of in-person polling place impersonation — the only type of voter fraud such [voter ID] laws might serve to deter — across the entire nation.”
Well how exactly would one discover this type of fraud? There are different workers at every polling station so if I were to walk into one with a voter registration card for Mr. Smith and then leave there to drive immediately to another polling location where I produce a card as Mr. Jones who would be there to recognize me? I could do that all day long, but no one would know. Granted the same could be done by showing photo id’s, but it would be significantly harder to obtain all those different id’s. My point is thatt we really have no idea of the scope of this type of fraud so why not take a reasonable step to ensure it isn’t affecting election results? It’s extremely difficult to navigate normal life without a photo id and most states offer them for free so why not help ensure that only registered citizens are voting in an election?
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
4:28 pm
Erwin’s Cat: Bummer. I’ll be at Hilton Head when you have your March race at Road Atlanta, but if I haven’t been booted by then lol remind me in June and I’ll go watch you race. I have only been to road Atlanta a couple times, but I love it.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
4:29 pm
Vo mitt 2012
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:31 pm
hey Bro
i know it will hurt you fragile little ego…….. but you need to quote me on this…………
because of the great recession…….. tax revenues are way down…….. so therefore the deficits being run are exaggerated because of the short fall from statistical averages……..
but you are wrong to ask for policies………. you have to look at his budgets…….. the use of baseline budgeting has exploded the deficit in a time of low inflation
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
4:32 pm
Maybe she can get more money from Uncle Sam for her “farm”…
Rebounding from her failed presidential bid, Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann is setting her sights on re-election to the House — but she faces a tough battle to retain her seat in a redrawn Minnesota district.
One recent poll showed Bachmann’s favorability rating among Minnesota voters at just 34%.
And the Minnesota congresswoman’s national base of conservative donors may be tiring of her pleas for money, as she carries a $1 million presidential campaign debt from her fumbled bid.
Many were surprised that one of the conservative movement’s newest icons would suffer such a disastrous defeat. But a series of fumbles and gaffes on the campaign trail not only caused her campaign to go into a tailspin, it tarnished her most important asset: her ability to raise funds from the grassroots across the nation.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/bachmann-re-election-tea-party/2012/02/27/id/430681
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:33 pm
Bro
They’ve extended the stimulus policies multiple times. Those 99 week benefits and payroll tax cuts add up to hundreds of billions. Extending the other tax cuts, more hundreds of billions. Eventually you’re in the trillions.
Now, if govt had been on autopilot we still would have had a deficit. But it would have been much much smaller.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
4:33 pm
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
NoCom
I doubt he COULD read it anyway.
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There ya go Brocephus, I fixed that for you.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
4:33 pm
Obama’s National Debt Impact
Upon Inauguration: $10,626,877,048,913
As of Jan 24, 2012: $15,236,236,452,380
In 3.0 yrs Increased: $4,609,359,403,467
George Bush (8yrs): $4,899,100,310,609
Brocephus,
That’s almost 5 trillion. I think right now Obama is at 4.8 trillion and that’s as of a month ago. The sole argument that you guys have is that Obama inherited a budget that was signed in October before he came into office and that not all of that first year’s debt nor even the majority of it is his. However we’ve always attributed debt to the potus who is potus on the day he came in. That’s just the way its always been.
And even if we give W credit for most of the debt for the fiscal 09 budget it doesn’t matter. It still means that the amount of debt acquired when Obama finally took responsibility such as the 2010 budget going forward is still a staggering amount of debt given such a short amount of time.
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
4:34 pm
Vo mitt 2012
An instant classic, Common Sense.
Kudos!
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
4:36 pm
Fred – will do, I am not campaigning a car this year, but I will likely get some seat time here or there in a friends 350Z, ….he runs the 3hr enduro’s and could use some help/rest every now and again…I have a build going now and hope to have it ready for the ‘13 season
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:37 pm
but you are wrong to ask for policies………. you have to look at his budgets
And how am I wrong to ask for policies if people are saying that Obama has added $5 trillion to the debt? If Obama has indeed been responsible for that amount, would there not be a paper trail leading to that mountain of debt? I’m not saying that he’s not responsible for things, but for you, or anybody else, to blame it on Obama and/or Democrats over the timespan of 3 yrs is intellectually wrong. It takes two to tango, and that dance has been going on since the early 2000’s.
When I call you on the GOP, you wanna brush over things like they weren’t so bad. That’s the first sign that you know you’re wrong. Two wars unpaid. Expansion of Medicaid, unpaid. Expansion of government, i.e DHS, unpaid. Explosion of national security contract work, unpaid. And all that was before the Democratic Party took over Congress. I might have been born early in the morning, but it was not this morning.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:39 pm
Doom
Before I make a quick run, I’ll ask you the same question I’ve asked everybody else…
What policies/programs/expenditures has Obama signed that added all of that to the national debt? Better yet, what has he signed that added half that amount. Hell, I’ll make it easy for y’all, since he’s supposed to be such a big spender, I’m sure you can come up with half of it with no problem.
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:40 pm
Bro
the paper trail is given to you by Jm and Thulsa Doom……. you are just too ignorant to accept it……. the paper trail is the DEBT………..i astounds me that lack of logic and reason liberals have……….
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
4:43 pm
JOSE – the point I believe being made is the President doesn’t/can’t spend a penny…he either signs the check put in front of him or he vetos it…Congress for the most part determines spending
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:45 pm
“Better yet, what has he signed that added half that amount.”
Stimulus.
Health care “reform”.
Extending unemployment benefits.
Extending payroll tax cuts.
Extending previos income tax cuts.
Increased discretionary spending.
TRILLLLLLLLIONS.
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:45 pm
Erwin…… its a point i have tried to make with Bro but he won’t accept it………. The Democrats controlled the Congress from 2007-2010 and both Bush and Obama signed those budget deficits into existence…………………. he wants to say its just Bush and Obama hasn’t done anything…………
Jm
February 27th, 2012
4:46 pm
Jose
This is the bottom of the barrel as far as the liberal intelligensia goes
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
4:47 pm
Jose – post that Bro is ignorant at your own peril. He is an angry white guy with a badge and gun
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
4:48 pm
the paper trail is the DEBT
That’s just like saying that the reason that somebody became obese is because of the fat they carry. The fact that none of y’all can even point to a single thing tells me that you don’t have a clue as to what your talking point really means. If Obama added that much to the debt, then that means he had to sign some policies that spent that much beyond what our revenues have been. I gave you one thing he signed, and you still can’t name anything else.
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EC
I don’t even wanna confuse them with that point. I’m simply trying to point out that there is no way to blame one specific person for the debt. Decisions made 10 years ago could be causing issues now. Things signed into law 20 years ago could be adding to today’s debt. Unless there has been a number of programs signed into law by Obama that’s adding $4 trillion to spending above revenues, there is no way to explicitly blame him for that.
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:48 pm
Jm
I won’t give up………… i will ask NASA to continue the search for life in the solar system beyond Earth but I won’t ask them to search for it among liberals…….
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
4:49 pm
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:40 pm
Bro
the paper trail is given to you by Jm and Thulsa Doom……. you are just too ignorant to accept it……. the paper trail is the DEBT………..i astounds me that lack of logic and reason liberals have……….
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Wow. and to HIM that post makes sense. He actually thinks he has said something and really cut you down Brocephus. But hey, it’s YOU fault Bro, you knew he was a dumb ass and you kept talking to him anyway lol.
Yo Jose?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvU3T7eruA&feature=BFa&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&lf=plpp_video
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
4:52 pm
So what ever happened to DaveR? Did he turn in to jm? I saw two boobs on here Sunday so I know she can post here again………
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
4:52 pm
Since Obama took office, my stock/bond… portfolio has rebounded 96%. I don’t know if I can handle much more of his policies. They’re just doing horrible things to Republicans chances of gaining more power. I feel a need for the use of the fainting couch coming on. Perhaps a mint julep will help.
Jerome Horwitz
February 27th, 2012
4:54 pm
Cat – What have you raced? Been working turns @ RA since the early 90’s(or earlier).
JOSE
February 27th, 2012
4:54 pm
Bro
where is your logic……….. you can’t say that obese are that way because of the fat they carry……. only an illogical liberal could come up with that…….
they get obese for eating too many calories and not exercising and burning more calories than they eat
just like obama spend more money than he takes in with tax revenue……. thus deficits and debt
boom
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
4:54 pm
Brocephus,
I’ll let the CBO do the talking for me.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cbo-obama-s-policies-increase-national-debt-47-percent-217-trillion-2022
Now if you’re talking about specific policies we can go into all the minutia but that would take hours and days and days. We could talk about lower economic growth and therefore lower tax revenue collection and Obama’s various policies towards regulation- everything from the slowdown in oil permits, Keystone, etc. to spending on Medicaid, etc.
You’re asking a pretty generalized question and to go into the specifics of each and every policy of his is beyond the scope and confines of our friendly little blog. Bottom line is that whatever his specific policies on every little topic in govt we are going farther and farther into debt. And there is no disputing that by anyone.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
4:54 pm
TaxPayer – Are you celebrating losing 4% over 3 yrs?
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
4:55 pm
Taxpayer – mine has rebounded 96% also I am now up to $1.96
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
4:59 pm
Brocephus,
Now if you want to talk about obesity and getting fat than my policies certainly affect that. During football season I have a strict policy of drinking a lot of beer on the weekends watching football, eating crappy, bad, calorically generous meals, and doing it a few times during the week for MNF and thurs night college football. Usually I work off all that weight after football season and the holidays but this year it just aint comin off. It just aint. But it all comes down to policy I guess.
Erwin's cat
February 27th, 2012
4:59 pm
Jerome – Datsun B210’s and 510;s back in the day…GT4 and GT3 respectively
Corner workers always had the best parties
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
5:01 pm
Erwin’s cat
February 27th, 2012
4:54 pm
TaxPayer – Are you celebrating losing 4% over 3 yrs?
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I think if you read that again you will see he is implying that it was ALREADY down when Obama took office………
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
5:04 pm
JOSE: he wants to say its just Bush and Obama hasn’t done anything…………
Care to point to exactly where I said that? See, your problem is that you’re trying to insinuate what I’m saying. Don’t read more into my words than what you see. That’s your first problem there.
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jm @ 4:45
Thanks for listing something. At least somebody can read and comprehend. That’s all I’ve been asking for. I don’t know if there’s been any part of the ACA that has caused major spending yet.
Stimulus cost: $831 Billion according to the Washington Times
Extending unemployment benefits: $184.7 billion to taxpayers with total cost of $434 billion.
Extending previous tax cuts: $860 billion (I don’t know if that’s the final amount. Doing quick research before I run out.
Looking at those three there, that’s less than $2 trillion total. That means for Obama and the Democrats to have added $5 trillion, there’s some $3T worth of spending prior to the tax extension. That was the last major spending done before the GOP took control of the House. The payroll tax cut came via a GOP house, but it’s still Obama’s.
That’s what I’m trying to point out. If somebody’s going to lay blame, then have the proof to back it up. I should not have to look up information for somebody else who’s whining about something.
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
5:06 pm
Erwin,
I’m celebrating recovering all but four percent of my portfolio’s decline in market value thus far due to George’s Great Recession.
Common Sense,
$1.97 but who’s counting.
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
5:06 pm
Flat-lined wages for forty years for an overwhelming percentage of American workers and you suddenly fiscal cons are obsessing over the results of the past three years only.
Alriiiiighty then…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
5:07 pm
where is your logic……….. you can’t say that obese are that way because of the fat they carry……. only an illogical liberal could come up with that…….
they get obese for eating too many calories and not exercising and burning more calories than they eat
Yet, when I asked you how Obama added $5 Trillion to the debt, your answer was “the paper trail is the DEBT”. Now, do you really wanna question MY logic?
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
5:08 pm
Logic is for sissies
Vo mitt 2012
pogo
February 27th, 2012
5:10 pm
Amvet, have your heard the one about Obama’s cutting healthcare benefits by raising premiums for soldiers that have served and are serving? Meanwhile, he leaves the public service union employees premiums alone. Another words, if you you are out there dodging bullets you will pay more and if you are out there pushing paper you will not. Something seems wrong with that, doesn’t it?
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
5:10 pm
Unless you’ve only been in the market for a few years you have no idea that you are basically just getting back what you lost several years ago and then some. One would have to be a very new investor who only started investing a few years ago or someone who says they’ve had a portfolio for a long time and is exaggerating their portfolio or just outright lying and forgetting about how stocks had been down.
carlosgvv
February 27th, 2012
5:11 pm
Finn McCool – 4:17
I can see you haven’t had many dealings with the Govt. Apparently, you are just another school boy trying to play grownup here. Please finish high school, and get at least some college before posting here again.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
5:13 pm
pogo
February 27th, 2012
5:10 pm
Amvet, have your heard the one about Obama’s cutting healthcare benefits by raising premiums for soldiers that have served and are serving? Meanwhile, he leaves the public service union employees premiums alone. Another words, if you you are out there dodging bullets you will pay more and if you are out there pushing paper you will not. Something seems wrong with that, doesn’t it?
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Do you have some sort of source you can site other than ‘Rush said it on his show today?”
Proud to be me!
February 27th, 2012
5:15 pm
Obama is NOT a smart man; he’s a snake in the grass! He has lied repeatedly and is campaigning on taxpayers’ dollars rather than leading this country. He only wants the title, President, he had no clue what that entails. The fact that this country elected someone with NO experience except a Senator who voted absent the majority of time and a “community” organizer tells me this country (as is proven by some of the comments on this blogs) a lost cause!
USMC
February 27th, 2012
5:16 pm
Rush Limbaugh told us today that President Obama is planningb on raising healthcare costs on Veterans and Active Duty Military personnel. LOL!
Just thought you should know!
Jay
February 27th, 2012
5:16 pm
Of course, Thulsa overlooks the fact that according to the bipartisan and well-respected Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, the tax and budget proposals put forward by Romney, Gingrich and Santorum would be significantly worse for the debt than the Obama plan.
The CRFB projects that under realistic assumptions, the debt-to-GDP ratio in 2021 would be 86 percent under Obama’s plan. It would be 96 percent under Romney, 104 percent under Santorum and 114 percent under Gingrich.
For Ron Paul, it would still be 76 percent, which tells you how much of this problem is already baked into the system.
Thomas
February 27th, 2012
5:18 pm
Thulsa- this is when the brokers are great at saying “your portolio gained 20%”. 100 down 55% is 45%. $45*1.2= $54. anyway
Public markets are forever broken. We need folks grabbing SBAs and starting businesses.
Obama is over
February 27th, 2012
5:19 pm
Bro:
Regardless of where the debt came from, the insulting part is that Obama has no realistic plan on how to address it. He only proposes spending even more money on whatever the latest poll might register for undecided voters. His tax plan released last week stands NO chance of ever passing. Do you really think that increasing the dividend tax to 60+% would ever fly? Yeh, let’s go ahead and really stick it to retirees, widows, and orphans who rely on investment income for retirement. Warren Buffet isn’t the only stock holder in the country. Another nice proposal is making municipal bonds taxable. Nice way to raise interest expense for the construction of roads, schools , and bridgesand penalize States that have maintained fiscal discipline. Of course if you are Pelosi or Obama, you want to centralize municipal finance in Washington so you can bail out Illinois and California, maintain above market union contracts, and make the rest of the country pay for you to spread a little cash for your homies. Constantly blaming Bush and only looking backwards is not going to solve the problems facing our country. The bottom line is that Obama has been running $trillion deficits every year he has been in office and his spending has been the highest per centage of GDP since 1946. Even if he gets all of his tax increases, his plan claims to collect $1.3 Trillion over ten years, yet he calls for increased spending again for 2012. So if he continues his course of annual $trillion deficits over four more years to be offset by $1.3 T in new “revenues” over ten, even you can do the math. Of course, this is all before Obamacare kicks in. His plan calls for 4% GDP growth this year. Reality is closer to 2% assuming that there is not a global meltdown starting in Europe. All we get from this guy is gross generalizations with no specifics. Obama does not understand systematic growth. He wants big government to write all of the checks so that he can have a source of power to negotiate with. He may be a good poker player, but at some point some one is going to call his bluff on specifics of his economic policies and he will have to fold because he simply does not have a very strong hand.
Billybob
February 27th, 2012
5:20 pm
has that thrill up your leg left since you had it when you were writing this intellectually bankrupt post……….this is funny and sad even for you bookman……..keep hanging on brutha’
FYI, on you last post bookman…..
obama equating gov’t redistribution/socialism with ‘what jesus would do’ makes me want to throw up and yet i have not heard you come out against his comments….jesus would want people to help each other, but not at the point of an authoritarian gov’t taking and forcing one person to help another that the ‘gov’t’ deems deserves it…….this highlights an enormous fundamental difference b/t leftists’ libs and conservatives……let the media keep talking/bringing up social issues……how about this one jaylib…….conservatives fight for life for all and hussein votes in Illinois senate in favor of abortion and then infanticide….. which means if the baby wasn’t killed during the abortion you need to bring in another doctor to finish the killing of that baby……on both of these social issues i think the overwhelming majority of the public is with my and the conservative view……enjoy the wwc smackdown in nov jaylib?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
5:21 pm
Proud to be me: make everyone proud, stop spouting talking pts and do some research
It took all of 30 seconds to prove your post to be untrue in terms of Obama’s record as a US and State Senator
Tell Boortz, Hanitty or whomever they need to brainwash you with some more viable talking pts that are not so easily debunked
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/feb/08/sarah-palin/palin-says-obama-voted-present-us-senate-very-ofte/
http://factcheck.org/2008/09/obamas-legislative-record/
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
5:22 pm
pogo, I thought that was old news.
I also thought that it was simply an idea that was floated and never saw the light of day, even as a recommendation, from the Obama administration.
Has it resurfaced again?
Or is it the cowardly, troop-denigrating Rush Limbo up to his old tricks?
josef
February 27th, 2012
5:24 pm
JAY
So, I assume the weekend was what y’all wanted it to be…
*******
Obama the poker player…I hadn’t thought of it that way, but, yeah that’s the way he plays things…
*******
So, over 400 in, what’s the nyanh-nyanh of the day?
Billybob
February 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
hussein’s bluff will be called by independent and moderate dem voters and the poker game he has been playing since he became prez will bust…….this was a great analogy of how hussein has no idea what he is doing so he is guessing on things based on the odds and poker…..very enlightening for all to see hear mr. bookman……please keep talking you leftist ideology and even the ‘typical white woman’ will not vote for obama in nov…….this is fun
Jm
February 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
Bro fine let’s pretend it’s only $2T
The fact is our deficit is unsustainable and must be fixed and Obama has made it worse versus autopilot
Mitt Romney 2012
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
5:26 pm
Jay,
How nice it would be if we could actually see into the future and actually prove that. We can’t. And I doubt that the study you cite mentions the fact that under a Romney or a Repub we would probably experience substantially higher, faster growth than under the O man. I would trust a man who actually has made a living in the private sector and who actually understands the economy such as Romney before I would trust a community organizer. And as I understand it Romney balanced budgets in Massachussetts. So how many budgets has Obama balanced? Crickets chirping….
As for Gingrich he presided over a balanced budget as speaker. How quickly we forget huh Jay? Just the facts sir.
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
5:27 pm
Josef – someone has decided Bro is ignorant – I figure what the heck go you expect from an angry white guy in Ga that works for the Fed. Gov’t
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
5:28 pm
I’ll take one of the 2 R candidates who has actually presided over balanced budgets thank you!
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
5:29 pm
TD
The budget in Mass must be balanced…. It is the law
So the Dems before and after him… did the same
Nice try
josef
February 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
Common Sense (and love that Papist Independent tag
)
Hey, you plays the cards thass dealt you…
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
TD – Vo mitt 2012? or the fat rat?
Jay
February 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
In other words, Thulsa, you can’t refute the accuracy of my numbers so you pretend they don’t matter.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
5:30 pm
On the Obama administrations plan to raise heath care costs for Veterans and other travesties aimed at veterans check out the VFW’s response. The all volunteer military will be something of the past.
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
5:31 pm
I just don’t understand posts like that second 5:24.
Nearly half of the Republican voters don’t like any of their candidates this time around.
The last time around, they got pummeled.
They have a relatively tiny amount of support among all American minorities.
Their last president/administration was an unmitigated nightmare of a failure.
They have taken it on the chin week after week after week over the past year and yet they act like they are the 2000 New York Yankees.
Very strange…
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
5:32 pm
TD
With that said, Mitt could have the ability to work with Congress to do what he was mandated to do by law in Mass.
His proposed plan doesn’t show that, but who knows
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
5:32 pm
Or is it the cowardly, troop-denigrating Rush Limbo up to his old tricks?
jamvet,
That fat guy denigrated troops? Now I know the phony soldier story was proven to be completely false and some congressmen went on the floor of the house to apologize to limbaugh for the falsehood of that story but I didn’t know the man denigrated the troops in other fashion. What did he do?
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
5:32 pm
Oops, make that the first 5;26…
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
5:34 pm
http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/Articles/2012-Articles/JOIN-THE-FIGHT!/
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
5:34 pm
They both suck,
I think he would work with the Ds thought to get it done. He did it in one of the most liberal states in the union. No reason he can’t do it as potus. And I think the business community would be excited to see a pro America president.
pogo
February 27th, 2012
5:36 pm
And Jay’s slobbering love affair with Obama continues. Objective journalism in America is dead. And Jay, the number for Romney is actually 81%, well below Obama’s 86%. Did you even look at the website before you said this?
JamVet - There are three types of AmVets, the good, the bad and the ugly.
February 27th, 2012
5:36 pm
I know the phony soldier story was proven to be completely false…
Really?
I’d LOVE to see that proof, Doom.
As I’ve seen his actual quote, calling them that…
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
5:40 pm
TD
“pro America president.”
As opposed to who? You have read my posts where I have ripped Bush, Republicans and even some Dems, but I’m not into calling any POTUS anti American or whatever…………
I will debate and argue until I’m blue in the face about policy and actions, however I’m not one to use that terminology
Regardless of which side, it does nothing for either us when discussing issues
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
5:41 pm
Jay,
I don’t refute them at all. But they are simply projections. They can’t tell you what would really happen- just someone’s opinions based on the plans given. And I seriously doubt they factor in increased economic growth and thus increased govt tax receipts that we would have under a pro growth president such as a Romney.I give their accuracy about the same accuracy as I give the Obama administration on projected economic growth numbers.
Or better yet I’ll give them the same odds of projected accuracy as I do of some computer models trying to predict the exact temperatures 50 years from now using all sorts of variables. Ya’ll must be living in liberal fantasyland again. Bring me back one a them delicious chocolately unicorns when you wake up and come back to earth.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
5:44 pm
Recon @ 5:34
I could not get your link to come up. Please check it and submit again
Thanks
josef
February 27th, 2012
5:46 pm
THULSA
Forget all them figures…the Romany Lady is more reliable, imuo…
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
5:47 pm
TD I think the Dems were in the majority in Mass. If the congress doesn’t have a large majority of Dems I don’t see how that means shyte.
Why compromise when he doesn’t have to?
Jay
February 27th, 2012
5:47 pm
“I don’t refute them at all. But they are simply projections. They can’t tell you what would really happen — just someone’s opinions based on the plans given. “
How odd then, Thulsa, that you didn’t dismiss the CBO numbers that you cited so excitedly as “simply projections” that may or may not be true. No, those numbers you treated as holy writ somehow.
Adam
February 27th, 2012
5:48 pm
Jm: If the pols and government are incompetent (they are), at least the republicans support having less of the insanity
HAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHA
Oh man, I needed a good laugh. Less of the insanity indeed!
HAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Paul
February 27th, 2012
5:52 pm
Thulsa
You may want to watch the video presentation. It’s a very good cost analysis. Assumptions are detailed, variables are explained, unknowns are discussed. Of course they’re projections. But it’s how the projections are calculated that makes all the difference.
It’s like your accountant saying “if we make the following assumptions about your income, expenses and most likely law changes your taxes next year will be in the range of N-Y.” One wouldn’t say to the accountant “heck those are just projections so I’m not going to adjust my quarterly payments.”
Well, maybe some would. But you get the point.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
5:53 pm
Recon — “On the Obama administrations plan to raise heath care costs for Veterans and other travesties aimed at veterans check out the VFW’s response.”
I wish I had the choice of paying higher costs for VA care. President Bush kicked me and lots of other disabled veterans right off the VA’s rolls.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
5:55 pm
Obama is over: Regardless of where the debt came from, the insulting part is that Obama has no realistic plan on how to address it.
And those campaigning to replace Obama have all put forth ideas that would continue to add to the debt. Yet people cheer them on. So what’s the true motivation, because it’s obviously not debt reduction?
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jm: Bro fine let’s pretend it’s only $2T
I didn’t say it was only $2T. My question still stands, where did the $5 trillion come from? Your response thus far has been the only attempt by anybody to quantify that amount. Everybody else is just taking it as the gospel truth with no accompanying facts. If I did my job based on popular opinion instead of facts, I wouldn’t last a week. That’s why I prefer to deal with facts only.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
5:55 pm
Doom — ” I didn’t know the man denigrated the troops in other fashion. What did he do?”
Google Rush and “phony soldiers.” You’ll find plenty.
josef
February 27th, 2012
5:56 pm
jm
Not out to paint all Republicans with the same broad brush, but given what they’re putting up as contenders, I can’t think of a time in our history when such a lot of loonies were put up for political view…there’s not but one in the show who might remotely qualify as rational and he’s so out of touch with the common man as to be a liability
josef
February 27th, 2012
5:58 pm
PAUL
Mojo pork with black beans and rice and salsa verde…life is good…
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
Jamvet,
You gotta do a better job to get the fat man. Its a bogus story where media matters tried to twist what limbaugh said in an effort to smear the man. And quite frankly even if what media matters version of what happened even were true it would pale in comparison to John Kerry’s lies about personal knowledge of American soldiers raping, killing in a fashion reminiscent of ghengis kahn. When it comes to putting down American soldiers the fat man don’t hold a candle compared to Kerry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phony_soldiers_controversy
Paul
February 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
josef
That’s good eating. I’ve done a Bobby Flay version a couple of times, modified it a bit each time.
One of these days I’ll learn to write down my mods!
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
6:03 pm
Joe Mama,
Yes. I found plenty of bull and read the whole transcript for the last 15 minutes. The minute media matters put the story out you just knew it had to be a lot of bullspit. And it was.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
6:04 pm
Doom — “John Kerry’s lies about personal knowledge of American soldiers raping, killing in a fashion reminiscent of ghengis kahn.”
Substantiate, please.
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:04 pm
THULSA
Quick question…how old were you during Vietnam? Not snarky, just wondering.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:04 pm
“When it comes to putting down American soldiers the fat man don’t hold a candle compared to Kerry.”
He sure doesn’t because we know they were both of age to have served in Vietnam and one of the two didn’t
Discussion OVER
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
6:06 pm
Paul,
I hear ya. When I get time I probably will read over their plans in more detail.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:06 pm
LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?
LIMBAUGH: I’m fine sir, thank you.
CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?
LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don’t want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can’t think of — who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?
CALLER 1: I’m just — I’m not talking about the senators. I’m talking about the general public — like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but –
LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can’t handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I’m not also hitting Republicans? I don’t know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.
CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I’ve listened to you for a long time, and you’re right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don’t think it’s winnable. And I’m not a Democrat, but I just — sometimes you’ve got to cut the losses.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you — you –
CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you’re wrong.
LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I’m not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have –
CALLER 1: Oh, I’m not saying that. I’m not saying anything like that, but, you know –
LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.
CALLER 1: No, I’m not.
LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is — the truth is the truth, Mike.
CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country –
LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.
[...]
CALLER 1: How long is it gonna — how long do you think we’re going to have to be there for them to take care of that?
LIMBAUGH: Mike –
CALLER 1: How long — you know — what is it?
LIMBAUGH: Mike –
CALLER 1: What is it?
LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can’t possibly be a Republican.
CALLER 1: I am.
LIMBAUGH: You are — you are –
CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: You can’t be a Republican. You are –
CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, ’cause you sound just like a Democrat.
CALLER 1: No, but –
LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question –
CALLER 1: — seriously, how long do we have to stay there –
LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!
CALLER 1: — to win it? How long?
LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.
CALLER 1: And that is what?
LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long — just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.
CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever –
LIMBAUGH: I — it won’t –
CALLER 1: — because that’s what it’ll take.
LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike — I’m sorry. I’m confusing you with the guy from Texas.
CALLER 1: See, I — I’ve used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.
CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but –
LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.
CALLER 1: — you know, really — I want you to be saying how long it’s gonna take.
LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!
CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?
LIMBAUGH: You’re not listening to what I say. You can’t possibly be a Republican. I’m answering every question. That’s not what you want to hear, so it’s not even penetrating your little wall of armor you’ve got built up.
[...]
LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.
LIMBAUGH: You bet.
CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I’ve been serving for 14 years, very proudly.
LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER 2: And, you know, I’m one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I’m proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull — what these people don’t understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that’s over there, it’d take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we’d have to go right back over there within a year or so. And –
LIMBAUGH: There’s a lot more than that that they don’t understand. They can’t even — if — the next guy that calls here, I’m gonna ask him: Why should we pull — what is the imperative for pulling out? What’s in it for the United States to pull out? They can’t — I don’t think they have an answer for that other than, “Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.”
CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what –
LIMBAUGH: “Save the — keep the troops safe” or whatever. I — it’s not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.
CALLER 2: No, it’s not, and what’s really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they’re willing to sacrifice for their country.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined –
CALLER 2: A lot of them — the new kids, yeah.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you’re going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you’re going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.
CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.
USMC
February 27th, 2012
6:09 pm
@They BOTH suck 6:06
You forgot the “MEGA DITTOS, RUSH!” part… LOL!
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
6:10 pm
Fred: “So what ever happened to DaveR? Did he turn in to jm? I saw two boobs on here Sunday so I know she can post here again………”
Had a quick exchange with @@ Saturday and she swore she wouldn’t be back. I kinda miss her here.
DaveR is working Kyle’s blog as “Tiberius, Your Lightning Rod of Hate.” Don’t miss him in the least.
BTW: Belated congrats Jay and Mrs. Jay.
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:10 pm
BOTH
I think the Imam has a rule against posting pornography…
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:10 pm
USMC
My bad…….. Actually I think Rush is pretty funny, as well as Boortz. Hanitty is tired…
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
6:11 pm
USMC — “You forgot the “MEGA DITTOS, RUSH!” part… LOL!”
These days, I’m inclined to offer “ottids.”
Don’t know if Rush has mentioned that at any time in the last few years, but it used to come up once or twice a week back in the late 80s and early 90s on his show.
barking frog
February 27th, 2012
6:12 pm
Romney/Rubio won’t be a poker game,
It will be a horse race.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
6:12 pm
Joe Mama,
Here ya go. Enjoying reading about the POS.
“They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.”
Matter of fact you can read his whole BS testimony to Congress about all these acts which he alleges to have happened.
https://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html
kayaker 71
February 27th, 2012
6:12 pm
Most good poker players know how to make good decisions. I think that that four of a kind was a lucky draw. Time Magazine? Another liberal poop sheet intent on getting this clown re-elected. Now is the Heritage Foundation had published this story……
Paul
February 27th, 2012
6:13 pm
Both suck
So anyone who says they’re a Republican who disagrees with Rush is really a Democrat.
Vacuous. Completely vacuous.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:13 pm
josef
Hopefully I get a pass
Are your black beans from a can or did you slow cook them?
I cook them in a crock pot with a hamhock….. Of course when measures call for quick eats….. Goyas always work
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:14 pm
“Both suck
So anyone who says they’re a Republican who disagrees with Rush is really a Democrat.
Vacuous. Completely vacuous.”
Huh???
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:14 pm
BOTH
Yeah, Rush and Boortz are pretty funny…but remember, looks ain’t everything…
Seriously, though, if you put their two brains in a pig, it would root with its a33. Arrogant little snits we used to beat up on the kindergarten playground and they never got over it…
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
6:15 pm
Thanks for walking into the trap, Doom. I’ve already read that speech many times, and it doesn’t say what you claim.
You accused Kerry of having “personal knowledge” of those atrocities. That speech makes it *very clear* that he’s relating stories he was *told* and which he *heard,* related by other soldiers. He doesn’t claim personal knowledge of those atrocities at any time during that speech.
Try again. Substantiate your claim that Kerry has *personal knowledge* of those sorts of atrocities, please.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:15 pm
JHM
You notice how TD flipped the script to Kerry from Rush
Guess he think no one noticed
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 27th, 2012
6:17 pm
Put Rush, Boortz and Gingrich at a table with one rack of ribs and see who dies?
Who is the winner?
We are
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
6:18 pm
They both suck,
Limbaugh was referencing that guy who was a protestor at some leftwing events and when they investigated they found out this guy had been in the army 44 days, got booted out, was never in Iraq, basically a phony soldier who never really served. That’s who Limbaugh was referencing. And so they build up this whole thing over him remarking over some guy who never served but showed up at some anti-war rallies talking about a bogus service and they try to make Limbaugh out to be the bad guy. Completely bogus story. Weak too.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 27th, 2012
6:18 pm
Well, if I’m in the market for insurance I want a shyster like Doom to deal with, not the guvmint. I mean, there’s a reason car cos. don’t put a flat price on a car. Some of us just like jawing about price and such and seeing who can cheat who the most. I want Doom to write a policy that will cover my pile-on cyst but not charge me extra for it. And I don’t want to have to pay for somebody else’s birth control. I mean, if the good Lord wanted you to have free birth control, you would of been born with one of them rubber thingies on your You-Know-What.
Anyhow, I sure hope they don’t put off this race again. It takes alot of sacrifice to give up Fox News and my Talking Points to watch a race. Have a good night everybody.
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:19 pm
BOTH SUCK
This was Unmentionable’s cooking…beans you didn’t soak the f*rts out of, sheer heresy! I’m with you on the Goyas….It depends on what he’s going to do with the black beans as to how he cooks them. Tonight’s had the ham hock thrown in for the slow cooking.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
6:19 pm
TBS — “You notice how TD flipped the script to Kerry from Rush”
I also notice that he quoted the part of the speech in which Kerry makes it plain that he’s relating what others have said, not making claims of first-hand personal knowledge.
Guess he didn’t think anyone would notice that, either.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
6:20 pm
Both suck
That transcript of Rush’s conversation. Guy says he’s a Republican, disagrees with Rush over Iraq, so Rush’s answer is not to debate the merits of the case but dismiss they guy by saying “you can’t be a Republican, for I am the Arbiter of Truth and the Determiner of All Things Republican. You have to be a Democrat.”
And that is devoid of any intelligence or reasoning.
Except to keep the gullible listening and the advertisers paying.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
6:20 pm
Doom — ” this guy had been in the army 44 days, got booted out”
That still makes him more of a soldier than Rush Limbaugh ever was.
USMC
February 27th, 2012
6:21 pm
“My bad…….. Actually I think Rush is pretty funny, as well as Boortz. Hanitty is tired…”–They Both suck
I do too. I was just being a Smart Aleck!
USMC
February 27th, 2012
6:23 pm
“That still makes him more of a soldier than Rush Limbaugh ever was.”–JoeObama Sniffer
You forgot to add JAY BOOKMAN!
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
TD
Rush is an entertainer selling propaganda as news…….. He is the best at it and is paid accordingly… The Barnum and Bailey of talk radio………….. If you like him great, but it is funny you seem to give him a pass on Vietnam, yet want to call out Kerry
I have never been in the military; however my dad is a retired Lt Col who served three tours in Vietnam……. He didn’t vote for him, but told me when the BS about him came up……..
“Whatever happened, happened… He put his boots in that jungle and many of those talking about him who didn’t serve and could have, are nothing more than fake a$$ patriots”
Thomas
February 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
Will there be a time when the far left agrees that MSNBC, CNN, etc. are as bad as Fox and Limbaugh?
Really, my horrendously biased media sources are good because I agree with them philosophically, really?
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
Proud to be me!
February 27th, 2012
5:15 pm
Obama is NOT a smart man; he’s a snake in the grass! He has lied repeatedly and is campaigning on taxpayers’ dollars rather than leading this country. He only wants the title, President, he had no clue what that entails. The fact that this country elected someone with NO experience except a Senator who voted absent the majority of time and a “community” organizer tells me this country (as is proven by some of the comments on this blogs) a lost cause!
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Wow, there have been some SEVERELY stupid people post today. The hate level is high and the truth level is extra low.
http://www.imagepoop.com/image/1889/I-See-Stupid-People.html
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:24 pm
Paul
Got you………… Thanks
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
6:26 pm
They both suck,
I mentioned Kerry because even if what Rush alleged to have said was true it pales in comparison to what Kerry said. Not even close.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:26 pm
josef @ 6:19
All I can say is enjoy and I’m a little jealous……….
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:29 pm
THOMAS
“Will there be a time when the far left agrees that MSNBC, CNN, etc. are as bad as Fox and Limbaugh? ”
I’m a leftie. I will agree with you on MSNBC, but not on CNN and I’m not sure who you are including in your etc.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
6:32 pm
Thomas
Last little while I’ve been tuning into Morning Joe on MSNBC. I’ve seen Christie, Huntsman and a score of other interesting personalities and seen conservatives and liberals at the round table have some pretty darn good point-counterpoints accompanied by a lot of choking and “oh cr@p, they just blew a hole in my argument” expressions.
Don’t know if it’s representative of MSNBC but it’s a pretty good show for highlighting opposing political views, so far.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
6:34 pm
USMC — “You forgot to add JAY BOOKMAN!”
Is Jay dissing anyone who volunteered, or was that just Rush?
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:36 pm
PAUL
Morning Joe is not representative of MSNBC.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
6:36 pm
“I’m a leftie. I will agree with you on MSNBC, but not on CNN and I’m not sure who you are including in your etc.”
How about ABC, NBC, CBS, CNBC, NPR, etc., plus the dinosaur print media like NYT, WaPo, USAToday, AJC and so forth?
Lib ilks all.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 27th, 2012
6:37 pm
Okay, I’m out. Wife’s complaining about the car making a funny noise. She probably didn’t fasten her seat belt or close the door or something.
All be well and drive safely.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
6:42 pm
“Last little while I’ve been tuning into Morning Joe on MSNBC.”
Yo, Paul, MSNBC is the lib ilk propaganda go to network.
Fortunately, no one watches it except losers, i.e, O’bozo voters.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
6:45 pm
“Okay, I’m out. Wife’s complaining about the car making a funny noise.”
Joe, next time don’t buy your wife a POS Volt, unless of course you hate her.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
6:45 pm
josef
thanks. May be not representative, but I enjoy it in its own right.
Sinkwich
Scarborough appears to be a pretty conservative Republican. Interesting you think he appeals only to losers and Obama voters.
You need to expand your mind, Sink.
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:49 pm
ABC, NBC, CBS…pretty mild mainstream; don’t watch CNBC, NPR decidedly left and often bordering on the lunatic fringe, NYT, traditionally liberal with a fairly wide range of commentators, WaPo, don’t pay enough attention to them to pass judgment, USAToday? Say what? The Reader’s Digest of the daily press, AJC? I don’t know whether or not the local fishwrapper from an overgrown crossroads trading village should be included in the etc. or not, but all-in-all it has a centrist staff of columnists and commentators and even its liberal element is orthodox conservative on some issues…
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:50 pm
Paul
Joe is a pretty interesting guy. Read an article about him in Men’s Journal. He was a Representative from NW Fl during the 90s when Republicans took the House. While being a relatively conservative guy, he is pretty pragmatic and realistic in terms of what it takes to make things work and how both Parties will screw up anything to make political points.
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:52 pm
PAUL
I give Joe his credit for being a conservative voice worthy of listening to and considering. I don’t always agree with him, but I don’t want to slap him either, he’s overall a gentleman…a rarity left or right…
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
6:52 pm
“Scarborough appears to be a pretty conservative Republican. Interesting you think he appeals only to losers and Obama voters.”
He is a token, kinda like when you lib ilks hire a minority to do something you wouldn’t do if a gun was at your head but it improves your self esteem.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
6:53 pm
Paul
February 27th, 2012
6:01 pm
josef
That’s good eating. I’ve done a Bobby Flay version a couple of times, modified it a bit each time.
One of these days I’ll learn to write down my mods!
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Well hurry the hell up and write. I had to google mojo pork since I have never heard of it (or had it obviously) and Bobby’s was the first one that popped up. So now I’m waiting on YOU and YOUR modifications before I can have it. Hurry up, fat boy is hungry.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:54 pm
“He is a token, kinda like when you lib ilks hire a minority to do something you wouldn’t do if a gun was at your head but it improves your self esteem.”
Based on this statement and the make up of Congress in terms of Party and race,,,,,,, Id say the libs must be ahead of old Sink in terms of “self esteem”
Orange12
February 27th, 2012
6:55 pm
Wow, gas remains at $3.65 per gallon for 24 hrs. The Obama admin must have leaped into action to deter any more increases, NOT, prices will continue to increase and will ultimately prove to be Obama’s Achilles heal. Even the far left wingers are not going to be able to spin this as someone else’s fault.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:56 pm
Sink
If you didn’t get the translation, it doesn’t appear that the Party you worship is doing to good at hiring minorities at the ballot box……… but you spin it in anyway that will make you feel better and sleep well tonight
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:56 pm
FRED
Try the mojo. I think you’ll like it.
Thomas
February 27th, 2012
6:57 pm
Don’t know if it’s representative of MSNBC but it’s a pretty good show for highlighting opposing political views, so far.
Thanks Paul- been meaning to catch the show as I have heard good things- I have been too much into Squawk rut- will tune in tomorrow am
Will try it tomorrow
getalife
February 27th, 2012
6:58 pm
“Drug Testing Bill Targets Florida State Workers, Excludes Lawmakers” Aol.
Just sick.
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:03 pm
getalife
“Drug Testing Bill Targets Florida State Workers, Excludes Lawmakers” Aol
(Insert Brosephus’ face-palm here)
kayaker 71
February 27th, 2012
7:05 pm
Bozo’s poker playing skills? He is a dismal failure. Really worked in Egypt, did it not? He is still playing but his stack of chips is getting pretty low. Ask Ray LaHood. Then there’s Israel. Bebe beat him hands down. He hasn’t done so well with the little Iranian. They and the rest of the Muslim world just laugh at him. And then there’s that pesky Afghanistan thing, something about two active duty officers being shot and another one or two that we have to make apologies about. Good poker players do not apologize. They win.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:06 pm
Yo, josef, take a look at your local rag, Jay’s employer, once in a while and you’ll understand why they’re in the ditch.
Georgia is a red state. The AJC is a liberal paper. And they bangs their collective heads on the wall wondering why as a business they’re going down the tubes. Just two examples in today’s edition:
Page A4: how Obamacare is loved by lib ilk governors.
Page A6: how gas prices are not O’bozo’s fault and Newt is an idiot for suggesting gas can get down to $2.50 a gallon or less.
Lib ilk media like that will be out of business soon.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:06 pm
You need to expand your mind, Sink.
Gotta have something to expand first…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:09 pm
“Drug Testing Bill Targets Florida State Workers, Excludes Lawmakers” Aol.
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josef
Just jumped back on the pc.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
7:11 pm
I guess they think nixon was right.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:12 pm
Dana is driving he Fabreeze car?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:13 pm
“What We’ve Got Here is a Failure to Communicate….Some Men You Just Can’t Reach……”
Thomas Jefferson
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:15 pm
wreck on lap 1
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:16 pm
Josef 5:56
My only metric is can he do the job well and fix the deficit
On those measures Romney is the best choice, especially relative to Obama
getalife
February 27th, 2012
7:16 pm
Looks like Jimmy got hurt in that crash.
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
It pains me deeply whenever I think about how miserable the Republicans will be during the next four years of the Obama administration… not really.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
eerr, lap 2
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:18 pm
Damn phone, I’m not caught up. Anyway, if you are still here Bro, did you see the wreck on lap 2? I swear it was that left rear touch crap again.
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:19 pm
BOTH
“… to good at hiring minorities at the ballot box”
Just doing my EOI duties here, but off the top of my head
Tom Cole
Nikki Haley
Bobby Jindal
Joseph Cao
Darrel Issa
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:19 pm
“On those measures Romney is the best choice, especially relative to Obama”
Saw a movie trailer for The Three Stooges movie last week.
Moe, Larry, or Curley all would be a better choice than O’bozo.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:19 pm
BOTH suck
“he is pretty pragmatic and realistic”
No wonder, as a Republican, he has to go to MSNBC for a show….
josef
A gentleman – that’s been my impression from my limited exposure.
The other day – during the Republican birth control fracas, he said his wife epitomizes the conservative Republican woman and keeps him in line, but she and her friends were discussing the Republican candidates’ social comments and pretty much saying “WT!??!’s got into them?!!?”
Sink
A token?
Is that like a Tinker, Tailor, Soldier or Spy?
And… yayyyyy!!!!!!!!!! I made “Ilk” status!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fred
Okay, I seem to remember I didn’t buy a bunch of citrus and juice it (would’ve done so when I lived in Florida ’cause they practically give the stuff away) – probably used Florida Naturals not from concentrate. And a frozen lime juice, no sucrose, reconstituted.
I tried it a couple of ways (marinate in just oil and oregano or with the orange juice reduction) then found his Throwdown cookbook, which didn’t clarify. So I settled on this.
I concentrated on working the garlic into the slashes but didn’t worry about where else it went. It’s not like recipes where you insert a garlic slice into a slit.
After rubbing the pork with the olive oil and 1/4C oregano (I used a pork butt, not the shoulder, and didn’t trim the excess fat ’cause there isn’t much external excess) I added the other oregano into the orange juice/lime juice mix, got a gallon or two gallon ziploc bag and put the pork in that and poured in the orange juice/lime juice mixture that’d been reduced. and let it marinate the max time.
Then I used that marinade to baste it.
Not many people thought the plantains were worth the effort. You can find some pretty good fried plantains in the frozen section of a lot of markets that are good and more consistent then the fresh ones.
The dipping sauce got mixed reviews. Try it and see what you think.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:20 pm
Fred
That’s the one thing I don’t like about this new aero package. It doesn’t look like it was a serious touch either, that’s if Jimmie got touched in the first place.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:23 pm
josef
The Republican Party is making efforts to court minority candidates and I know it is not zero; however they have a long way to go to even look close to the overall demographics of the country….
Not sure if it is the realization that current Party make up will not last when looking at demographic trends, a real change of heart or a combination. Either way there is an effort and I think that will be good long term for the electorate……
I was just attempting to make a point with Sink and his post of liberals and hiring minorities
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:24 pm
Hey getalife
Welcome back!
There are a bunch of cons here who need some Zen comments to settle their minds.
Good luck.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
josef: Arrogant little snits we used to beat up on the kindergarten playground and they never got over it…
I’ll be damned if you didn’t nail those two little cowards to a wall.
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
SINKWICH
Do you take the AJC seriously in the broader picture?
Jm
There are issues other than the economy, you know…
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
Mr.B: Thanks for the info. two boobs WAS back for one post Sunday though…….
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:27 pm
“And… yayyyyy!!!!!!!!!! I made “Ilk” status!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
You should hang your head in shame.
There is nothing admirable about being a leech. Your Momma should have taught you that.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:28 pm
“Do you take the AJC seriously in the broader picture?”
No.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:29 pm
They BOTH
Did you read this one here?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republican-candidates-avoid-direct-outreach-michigan-muslims-arab-134539124.html
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:34 pm
Sinkwich
It’s “Mommas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys”
Not “Mommas, don’t let your babies grow up to be ilkboys”
I’ll go with Willie’s version, thank you.
Face it, Sinkwich, we provide the reason for your existence here.
So, .. you’re leeching off ilk!
LOLOLOL!!!!!!
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:35 pm
BOTH
This is true, but I do think that once we move beyond the Black-Jewish-Latino view of what a minority is, we begin to see a different pattern emerging…which find intriguing. Why ARE Indian Americans, American Indians and Asian Americans making it there and not with the Democrats?
FRED
Goya makes a pretty good bottled mojo marinade, too…good for starters…
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:37 pm
Josef 7:26
Not really. Without a good economy, all the goody benefits become impossible to afford
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:37 pm
Bro
Thanks for the article. Had not seen it. Guess they are not making the strides I thought and read about, but I think there are efforts in certain areas.
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Race: another wreck
I remember several yrs ago before NASCAR tried that crappy wing, they had a spoiler for the plate races that had a lip that went inward back towards the car. I’m sure there were other features to the set up, but I remember some great racing and even with the “big one”, there wasn’t a wreck every 10 laps….
They will get settled down soon and give us a good show……. I hope
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:39 pm
I had Jimmy in my NASCAR pool…
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:39 pm
This discussion with Fred reminds me… I’m hungry!
Work’ll have to wait ’till waaaay early morning.
It’s time for pork chops with a cider-dijon glaze and maybe some orzo with olive oil and whatever strikes me’ll go good in it.
Then it’s Once Upon a Time and Snow White. Thank heavens for DVRs.
Pleasant evening, all -
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
7:40 pm
“I have to admit the economy is getting better. It’s getting better all the time.” – Thomas Jefferson’s favorite Beatles tune
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:41 pm
They BOTH
There’s so many different facets to “minority” campaigning, that many get lost in the mix when we focus on the Black/White issue. I’m more interested to see how the GOP progresses once Whites lose their majority status. They will have to actively seek to broaden their appeal if they wish to remain relevant.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:41 pm
josef @ 7:35
Good points. It will be interesting to see how both Parties work to attract voters in the next 10 yrs as the country changes demographically in numerous areas……..
Of course, if we continue to get the same discourse we get now from both Parties, it will only prove to be efforts to attract voters and not a true attempt to get past the BS that seems to strangle us on certain issues
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:42 pm
and josef – thanks for the Goya tip. I’ll look for it.
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Jay’s in a NASCAR pool?!!?
Swimming with Mitt’s owner friends, eh?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:42 pm
Everyone needs to watch this
Lib and con
The war is not over as much as one might want it to be
http://www.ted.com/talks/sharmeen_obaid_chinoy_inside_a_school_for_suicide_bombers.html
So sad and absurd
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:43 pm
Bro
Exactly…. I speaking all minorities not just the Black/White issue…..
The changes are coming…. Republicans must adapt to stay ahead or even. Doesn’t mean Democrats can rest because they too have much work to be done as a Party
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:44 pm
Jay
Should have gone with Kyle… or Tony…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:44 pm
Check out that Joe Gibbs power up front!!!!
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:45 pm
BOTH
I stay amused at those locked in especially to the black-white dichotomy and the “browning of America” cheer-jeer…neither seems to be able to grasp that the browner America has an axe to grind with both!
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:45 pm
“They will have to actively seek to broaden their appeal if they wish to remain relevant.”
They will, Bro, and it’s gonna be a hard thing to learn to do. They’ve trapped themselves in a strategy of diminishing returns, betting on their ability to pull more and more support from a dwindling pool.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:46 pm
Thanks Paul and josef.
Paul, there wasn’t a new Once Upon a Time last night. no one went up against the oscars with a new show. LOL why do you think they didn’t run the race last night?
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
Bro, my buds and I pick two drivers each race. I had Kyle and Jimmy, and thought I was in good shape. But Daytona dictated otherwise….
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
The GOP is motivated to reform immigration so it can be put to rest
Facilitates appeal to Hispanics who are a natural GOP constituency
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
Fred
Thanks. Now I won’t have to check the DVR settings.
Grimm it is!
Out ’till I get work done in the morning -
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:48 pm
Bro
Watch out for the 10 year old underwear bombers……..
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:48 pm
Who amongst us doth not sip Chablis with NASCAR owners, Paul?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:50 pm
Democrats don’t actually want to reform immigration because they use the extremist position of amnesty as a wedge issue to tilt Hispanics in their favor
Hispanics don’t understand that democrats don’t really care about them
Just like democrats don’t care about black people or poor people either
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:50 pm
Jay @ 7:45
Great post……… Of course the spoils go to the victors, but the Republicans were so glad to when so much on the state level in 2010. It has allowed them to redistrict and prolong the inevitable; which is start adapting or fall behind
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:51 pm
Jay
If they ejected that far right crap, I could see myself drifting more towards the GOP. I can’t compromise myself by backing people that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached right now.
My co-workers have a yahoo league, and I switched Tony for Kyle so I wouldn’t have an all Toyota lineup. I don’t think I’ve ever done well when I’ve had all one manufacture picked for a race.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:51 pm
no one went up against the oscars with a new show.
Sounds like nobody watched the Oscars last night. I watched about 40 minutes.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:53 pm
Jay
I so like you connect so well with us commoners!
Third time’s the charm – bye!
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:53 pm
they use the extremist position of amnesty as a wedge issue to tilt Hispanics in their favor
Do you make this stuff up yourself?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:54 pm
“to win so much”…………….. My bad. Watching the race
Ted
February 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
Just one time I would like to see an opinion piece from JB that is not utterly predictable.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
If they ejected that far right crap, I could see myself drifting more towards the GOP. I can’t compromise myself by backing people that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached right now.”
So you vote based on how others vote and not based on who the best candidate is? That is more nonsensical than voting for a birther candidate because it shows complete disregard for making an intelligent personal choice. Otherwise known as “irrational”.
Bro will vote R when the sun rises in the west. Pure BS from bro…..
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
Headline: “OBAMA TO CUT HEALTHCARE FOR TROOPS… ”
“The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.
The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention.”
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
jm
What do you think I do for a living?? I try to identify them before they know who they are.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
Jm
“So you vote based on how others vote and not based on who the best candidate is? ”
I take it that you never vote a straight ticket or just Republican and Libertarian………… correct?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
Finn
You and the democrats see the world in black and white
I see it in color
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Headline (New York Times): “Obama using Espionage Act to ’silence and prosecute federal workers’…”
“Last Wednesday in the White House briefing room, the administration’s press secretary, Jay Carney, opened on a somber note, citing the deaths of Marie Colvin and Anthony Shadid, two reporters who had died “in order to bring truth” while reporting in Syria.
Jake Tapper, the White House correspondent for ABC News, pointed out that the administration had lauded brave reporting in distant lands more than once and then asked, “How does that square with the fact that this administration has been so aggressively trying to stop aggressive journalism in the United States by using the Espionage Act to take whistle-blowers to court?”
He then suggested that the administration seemed to believe that “the truth should come out abroad; it shouldn’t come out here.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/business/media/white-house-uses-espionage-act-to-pursue-leak-cases-media-equation.html?_r=3&ref=todayspaper
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Both
I vote for the best candidate
Not based on who the hell else is supporting or voting for someone
If that was the intelligent metric, you couldn’t vote for anyone, because there are plenty of idiots voting for both parties
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Chablis and NASCAR? How gauche on both counts!
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
So you vote based on how others vote and not based on who the best candidate is?
No. I vote based on what I hear come from the candidate’s mouth. When I hear nothing but negativity, it doesn’t give me much confidence in them. When a candidate can’t be honest and forthright with things, that doesn’t entice me to vote for them. Many times, I’ll vote for the one who lies the least. Sometimes, I’ll vote for the lil guy that didn’t campaign at all. At least he hasn’t lied.
I’ve voted R probably as much as I’ve voted D. You need to get your head out of stereotype land. Local politics here is dominated by Republicans. Voting party lines will leave you out in the cold. Get a clue dude…. at least for once in your life.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:02 pm
Both
In short, I have never ever ever voted a straight ticket
Jay
February 27th, 2012
8:02 pm
If they ejected that far right crap, I could see myself drifting more towards the GOP.
And if pigs could fly, they’d be robins and bacon would be a lot more expensive.
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
8:03 pm
Headline: “Obama Plays Race Card, Calls on Churches to Support Campaign…”
Ah ……………….. separation of church and state ?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:03 pm
Jm
So you vote for candidates in both Parties?
I mentioned Libertarian earlier, but let’s be honest. In our current way of doing things, Repub and Dems rule the show
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:04 pm
Bro
Your words: “I can’t compromise myself by backing people that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached right now.”
I guess you misspoke….
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
Both
Yes, I’ve voted D, R, and on a few rare occasions L
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
Jm @ 8:02
You answered before I posted @ 8:03.
Thanks for the feedback. While I lean left, I never vote a straight ticket either.
I must be honest, the Dem’s shenanigans scare me less than the far right wing of the Republican Party
Jay
February 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
They’ve created a party identity largely around the rejection of The Other, and abandoning that is going to be a very tricky process. It has to happen, but the transition will require years in the political wilderness for them.
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
jm
The only reason the Latinos go so heavily for the Democrats is that the GOP wants to load ‘em up and ship ‘em out. They are under no delusions that they “belong.”
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
Both
I guess I have to repeat myself, time rolls on
I gave $1000 to kasim reed, several hundred to Obama, and I obviously vote for the people I give money too
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:09 pm
BOTH
“I must be honest, the Dem’s shenanigans scare me less than the far right wing of the Republican Party”
And I second that emotion….
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:09 pm
Both
Romney is not far right
If santorum is the nominee, I can get voting for Obama by many
But I’d encourage you to think long and hard before voting if the republican is Romney
Josef
All the R’s know you can’t ship them home
The plan is visas and back of the line for citizenship, and reform quotas.
Democrats want outright amnesty. That extremist position won’t fly and creates huge future problems.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
Jm
I will listen to Romney, but will the real Romey please stand up, please stand up
His he the centrists who governed in Mass or the “conservative” who is running right to capture the nomination.
I understand that candidates in both Parties play that game to some degree or another, however we are discussing Romney
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
jm
No, I did not misspeak at all. “I can’t compromise myself by backing people (the GOP) that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached (by the candidates) right now.” I might not have clarified myself, but I did not misspeak.
Jay
There are some sensible Republicans out there. I think the main problem is that the rhetoric has taken on a life of itself to the point that sensibility is completely lost on the fringe. Both parties are actually suffering from the same thing as you see moderates on both sides either quitting or being voted out by someone that appeals to the ever polarizing bases. I don’t think the process would be too difficult if people with common sense could shut up the fringe cheerleader group. That said, it will be a formidable task to accomplish that because of that cheerleader group.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
Romney is a centrist BOTH
He is running to the right to secure the nomination
He wants to fix our fiscal problems and make government more effective, and leaner
Jay
February 27th, 2012
8:14 pm
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED:
http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2012-02-29colorlowres.jpg
bman
February 27th, 2012
8:16 pm
far right? far left? On this board alone, I have read some equally looney stuff. I don’t think there’s a winner
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
Dailykos, kind of funny, but only marginally relevant
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:18 pm
Jm
Than I still do not know who he is…………. But as I have, I will continue to read and listen
He had to be a centrist to win in Mass
He has to play the role of the most conservative candidate to win the nomination.
Neither one of those tells me who he is outside of being a political chameleon………..
Time will tell. I think he is going to get the nomination and we will see how he campaigns and what he says to garner moderates and independents while keeps the far right wing placated
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
8:19 pm
“I gave $1000 to kasim reed, several hundred to Obama, and I obviously vote for the people I give money too”
Thanks for helping to ruin our country.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:19 pm
They BOTH Suck
Lets try this one and then click on “join the fight”.
http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:19 pm
Jm
“All the R’s know you can’t ship them home”
ALL? Just tune in here and see how off that one is…and what they “know” and the rhetoric they use are two different things…the latter is what is alienating the Latinos, including those whose ancestry goes back to the 1600s and among those who are can be counted in the most conservative of Americans.
And your contention that Democrats want outright amnesty…that simply is not true. The current administration is pursuing a far more stringent deportation process in sheer numbers than any of the previous ones…
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:20 pm
Recon
Thanks for getting back to me. The link worked this time. I will check it out
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
They BOTH Suck,
Sorry but I’ve been away and wasn’t able to reply until now.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
Sinkwich
Reed was a good choice
Obama not so much. I’m atoning for my sins this round and writing checks for mitt twice a month
getalife
February 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
The winner is the President by default.
willard is a flip flop.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
They don;t need your money jm.
You are paying for one night bar tab.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
josef: I’m curious. “NPR decidedly left and often bordering on the lunatic fringe,”?? Examples please.
And where in the hell do you find kosher ham hocks? ;0
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
Getalife
My checks are bigger than that
Unless you have a huge bar tab
And since there are funding limits, I am giving time too
Sinkwich, what are you going to do for the GOP candidate come general election time?
Sign in the yard, volunteer time, money?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
Recon
Do you have anything in terms of dollars for the actual increases? Is it more than the average increase seen for most people in terms of health coverage? I will also ask my dad. He utilizes a combination of Tricare and my mom’s insurance.
Thanks again
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
The current administration is pursuing a far more stringent deportation process in sheer numbers than any of the previous ones…
Facts don’t matter to one who’s eyebrow deep in the rhetoric pool…
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:27 pm
“HIGHLY RECOMMENDED:”
Jay is marcos halitosis still running their show? What do you think about David Brock and does Media Matters not matter much anymore in their weak attempts to discredit Fox News?
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
And since there are funding limits,
jm,
you can be a PacMan too.
Boris Badnoff
February 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
No wonder The Messiah is a great poker player. He has a real Teleprompter Face. Assuming that we are blessed with another four years of The Bearer of Light, do you have to stick those Food Stamps in a book or can you use them to directly purchased gruel? Certainly I believe that the brilliant economic policies of Parter of the Seas are responsible for our flourishing economy, but my wallet keeps asking me who’s on the two dollar bill. Our Brilliant Young Inspirational Leader has taught me many things, namely I miss those delicious meals of liver, onions, and eggplant garnished with arugula. And the joys of losing your car means you don’t have to worry about Rush Hour traffic. If only I was paid to write blogs.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
8:28 pm
jm,
Again, they get unlimited corporate donations.
You are wasting your money.
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:32 pm
Mr B
That hoopla over Juan Williams for starters…lunatic fringe…
Kosher ham hocks… ssshhh , DADT
BROSEPHUS
Ain’t it the truth!
JM, et al
Romney? I’m gay…what the hell do you think I think of him and those who support him?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:33 pm
Taxpayer
I don’t write checks that big
Getalife
Funding source matters. If you’re a penniless candidate. In mitt’s case it matters a lot less. If he loses, he just goes back to playing with his investments. He can’t be bought.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
8:34 pm
Jay @ 8:05. you might want to check this one out, if you haven’t all ready seen it.
http://nymag.com/news/features/gop-primary-chait-2012-3/
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Josef
I get it man. But if you can look at the bigger picture, Romney is a better choice.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
Bro
I guess that Gordon can I thought he was going to open up tonight wasn’t too big………….
bman
February 27th, 2012
8:36 pm
“Romney? I’m gay…what the hell do you think I think of him and those who support him?”
Sorry Josef .. .. I don’t keep up on ALL issues. What does Romney say about this?
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
8:42 pm
I don’t write checks that big
It doesn’t cost anything to be a PacMan.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
8:42 pm
josef: I’d say NPR has more caved to the Right lately.Their coverage of the Republican primaries has been free from any hint of bias, as far as I can tell. Lots of interviews with Republican voters and little or no direct commentary on the interviewee’s statements.(fact checks, etc.) Amounts to free air time for the candidates (although I use the term “candidate” in the broadest possible terms.)
Soothsayer
February 27th, 2012
8:43 pm
The modern GOP—the party of Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes—is staring down its own demographic extinction. Right-wing warnings of impending tyranny express, in hyperbolic form, well-grounded dread: that conservative America will soon come to be dominated, in a semi-permanent fashion, by an ascendant Democratic coalition hostile to its outlook and interests. And this impending doom has colored the party’s frantic, fearful response to the Obama presidency.
The GOP has reason to be scared. Obama’s election was the vindication of a prediction made several years before by journalist John Judis and political scientist Ruy Teixeira in their 2002 book, The Emerging Democratic Majority. Despite the fact that George W. Bush then occupied the White House, Judis and Teixeira argued that demographic and political trends were converging in such a way as to form a natural-majority coalition for Democrats.
The Republican Party had increasingly found itself confined to white voters, especially those lacking a college degree and rural whites who, as Obama awkwardly put it in 2008, tend to “cling to guns or religion.” Meanwhile, the Democrats had increased their standing among whites with graduate degrees, particularly the growing share of secular whites, and remained dominant among racial minorities. As a whole, Judis and Teixeira noted, the electorate was growing both somewhat better educated and dramatically less white, making every successive election less favorable for the GOP. And the trends were even more striking in some key swing states. Judis and Teixeira highlighted Colorado, Nevada, and Arizona, with skyrocketing Latino populations, and Virginia and North Carolina, with their influx of college-educated whites, as the most fertile grounds for the expanding Democratic base.
From Mr. B’s 8:34
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:43 pm
Taxpayer
That is awesome
stands for decibels
February 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
The resident righties’ collective reaction here is hilarious. They really can’t get past the url, can they?
(us rational folks have been enjoying Tom Tomorrow since lonnnnnng before the Orange Satan started carrying him.)
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
Yeah, NPR is a right wing mouth piece
Or they’re soft on the GOP
Hilarious
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
It’s the Daytona Caution 500
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
“Romney? I’m gay…what the hell do you think I think of him and those who support him?”
josef, You can refuse to support Romney based on your interpretations of his positions that clash with your views but how can you condemn all who support him for a variety of other reasons?
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
8:45 pm
Jm: To which Romney are you referring? The Mass. moderate or the Mich. “severe conservative?” Or is there a 3rd, 4th, or 5th Romney that we haven’t met yet?
getalife
February 27th, 2012
8:46 pm
“WASHINGTON — On Tuesday morning, the Supreme Court will hear oral argument on whether corporations, like real people, can be held liable in American courts for international human rights violations.
The issue has divided four appeals courts over the past year and a half, as Democrat-appointed judges have uniformly voted for corporate liability while all but one Republican-appointed judge has come down for corporate immunity.”
Interesting case but 5-4 for immunity.
The gop can stop with the rule of law crap on immigration.
They believe they are above the law.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
“Yeah, NPR is a right wing mouth piece”
I didn’t make that claim, Jm. But neither is it the mouthpiece of the lunatic left, which I will stipulate does exist, if only in minuscule numbers in this country.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
They will, Bro, and it’s gonna be a hard thing to learn to do. They’ve trapped themselves in a strategy of diminishing returns, betting on their ability to pull more and more support from a dwindling pool.
So true, Jay. The pool of people who believe in self-reliance and fiscal responsibility is getting smaller every year. And each year, the Free Lunch crowd gets bigger. Can’t wait until the latest generation raised with free school breakfast, lunch and dinner gets old enough to vote.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
8:49 pm
Lots of interviews with Republican voters and little or no direct commentary on the interviewee’s statements
That’s not new. Go back and listen to any interview done by NPR and you will hear the opinions of the interviewee, never the interviewer.
This is hard to explain to Conservatives reared on talk radio and Fox News where the opinion of the talking head is front and center in EVERY segment. The talking head leads the discussion with their own opinions.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:50 pm
“The modern GOP—the party of Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes—is staring down its own demographic extinction.”
As supported by the creditable professional polls.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
“He can’t be bought.”
Those unlimited donations are bribes silly.
They want returns on those investments.
You need to grow up and face reality jm.
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
bman
Waaaaayyyy too much to go into here, google it for a full recap…let’s just say he don’t much care for us and has made it more than plain…
JM
Bigger issues? That’s easy for you to say and I’m not being snarky…
Romney a better choice? I’ve fileted Fierce Advocate a’plenty here, but I’d vote for him any day of the week over the Dog Third’s the GOP has put up. The difference between him and them is the difference between middle seat on the bus and being thrown under the bus and then have it back up and run over you again to make sure the job gets done…
I don’t expect you and those who think like you to see it from my viewpoint, but supporting him, in my viewpoint, puts the supporter in the “enemy” camp…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:54 pm
They BOTH
That can wasn’t a can. He opened up a cam.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:55 pm
“They believe they are above the law.”
and some also believe they’re above the law but who are actually below it. We shall see this all unfold but from what I’ve seen you’re on the losing side of this issue.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
8:56 pm
Judis and Teixeira argued that demographic and political trends were converging in such a way as to form a natural-majority coalition for Democrats.
News flash to Soothsayer: The Republicans have been in the minority from the gitgo. And because the Repubs refuse to match the Dems offer of special favors to various ethnic groups, it can’t buy the ethnic vote. As stated above, self-reliance isn’t a popular message these days.
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:57 pm
DELL
How can I not?
Mr B
Remember, I said left and often lunatic fringe…I didn’t say it WAS lunatic fringe…and yes I tune in…and insofar as the move to the right, yes, they have…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
Can’t wait until the latest generation raised with free school breakfast, lunch and dinner gets old enough to vote.
And what will that prove? I grew up in a hardcore Democratic household, and I qualified for free lunch because of the number of people in that household. I don’t have that sense of entitlement that I hear preached about ad nauseum. That’s one of the things that irks me about the Right. The negative sweeping generalizations…
Jay
February 27th, 2012
8:58 pm
Poor Bruno. A victim of his own high principles.
Let us all shed a tear for him, shall we?
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
“Let us all shed a tear for him, shall we?”
Cry if you must but I’ve never had the impression that he cares about your tears. I surely wouldn’t.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
A victim of his own high principles.
I’m a victim of nothing, Jay. If my chosen political candidates don’t win, so be it.
That’s one of the things that irks me about the Right. The negative sweeping generalizations…
Not seeing any on the Left, Bro?? Seems to me that our host is making some broad claims himself…..
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:02 pm
Bruno
If you want to know why and/or where the GOP started losing the minority vote, here’s a good starting point. Long, long ago, Blacks participated in and won elections with GOP backing. The first Blacks elected to office ran as Republicans, and believe it or not, they were elected from the South. The big difference between then and now, the GOP had a cross section of beliefs that matched the cross section of beliefs throughout the country. Those Blacks were elected because of liberal Republicans. When the quest to rid the GOP of liberals began back then, that also began the purging of minority participation. One of the reasons that Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat now is because that’s where the liberal vote goes. It’s not because of handouts.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
9:03 pm
“I’ve seen you’re on the losing side of this issue.”
We, the people lose on this issue but this citizen united decision is the worst ever like your man McCain said.
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:04 pm
Let me ask you this, Bruno:
Thanks to the GOP leadership of this state, Athens-Clarke County and Oconee County are coughing up $10 million in public money to buy 252 acres for Caterpillar’s new factory site. Then they’re spending another $7.6 million to build roads and install utilities for Caterpillar. Then they’re going to forgive the company another $12 million in property taxes. And then the state is going to give them another $46 million in “incentives.”
Now please, preach to me again about this “self-sufficiency” thing again? I so love the rancid smell of hypocrisy in the evening….
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:05 pm
Not seeing any on the Left, Bro?? Seems to me that our host is making some broad claims himself…..
And if I were really interested in what the left had to say, I’d question them about it. I never said they didn’t make them. According to popular rhetoric, my vote is supposedly owned by the left. Therefore, it’s up to the right to make a case for me moving my vote.
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:10 pm
And yet while Republicans rarely raise a squawk about such deals, and almost always endorse them eagerly, they are haunted by the thought that someone somewhere might be collecting a $250 welfare check they don’t “deserve.”
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
9:11 pm
Jay: how many jobs is this 65.6 million supposed to produce?
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
9:12 pm
For my conservatives friends !!!
Coming to theaters this summer by the producer of “Braveheart” and “Schindler’s List”: “2016″
(Over view of the movie and who Obama really is follows. “Democrats in the U.S. want to redistribute wealth but Obama wants to realign the United States in the world. The least known
president this country has ever had.”)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QOscKvUjU
bman
February 27th, 2012
9:13 pm
how many people will the Caterpillar site employ?
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
Government can’t “produce jobs,” remember Mr. B? We’re talking principle here. Self-sufficiency. Making it on your own. Don’t need no darn government handouts.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
Mr_B
I think the quote was 1400 jobs. Doing the stimulus job math, that would equate to $46,857 per job. At least it’s better than the rate from the stimulus.
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
9:15 pm
Rather than force things, he patiently let the game come to him:
Translation: Do-nothing community organizer
Only rarely did he bluff….”
Translation: coward.
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:16 pm
Only losers beg for money from the government.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:18 pm
Jay
Channeling jm???
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:21 pm
Pinko commies are entertaining, glad you guys are around even if I don’t agree with your positions and think you’re insane.
Just wish you would vote for Romney
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
9:22 pm
If you want to know why and/or where the GOP started losing the minority vote, here’s a good starting point.
Bro–You’ve linked the Lily White Movement before. It existed, but almost all of the Jim Crow laws were drafted by Democrats. The KKK was started by Democrats. Neither political party has a sterling racial record.
One of the reasons that Blacks overwhelmingly vote Democrat now is because that’s where the liberal vote goes. It’s not because of handouts.
Which would make more sense if blacks didn’t lean conservative as a group when polled on specific issues. With the exception of Affirmative Action, of course. And though the goal of righting previous wrongs remains noble, in the end there is no way to go about it without being unfair to people born long after the unfairness occurred. We need to call it a day and move forward as equals under the law.
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:22 pm
Who?
No, channeling Bruno. You know … demanding special favors, free breakfast, etc. It’s bad when it’s for poor people, but for highly profitable corporations who just “need a hand up,” it’s quite alright….
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
9:22 pm
getalife- “He can’t be bought.”
obama says,”What?”
Chicago crook, owned by crooks.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
Jay: Cat had only a NET income of 4.928 billion in the 2011 fiscal year, so they really need the money to stay afloat.
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
“(Reuters) – Caterpillar Inc reported a 58 percent rise in quarterly earnings that blew away Wall Street expectations on record sales of construction and mining equipment, and projected strong growth for 2012….”
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:25 pm
“Government can’t “produce jobs,” remember Mr. B? We’re talking principle here. Self-sufficiency. Making it on your own. Don’t need no darn government handouts.”
Not being taxed by the government is not a handout. A cash transfer is. By my count, only the land falls in that category then.
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
9:26 pm
Jay,
That money to entice Caterpillar to our state is mere pocket change when compared to the 800 jobs it will bring to the state. You see, this state and local funding buys bucket-ready jobs and they’re more valuable than mere shovel-ready jobs that federal money buys. So, assuming those 800 jobs are good for the average $45,000 per year and Georgia collects 6% of the AGI, I figure they’ll have that investment recovered in no more than fifty or so years, give or take.
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
9:27 pm
Jay- Now please, preach to me again about this “self-sufficiency” thing again?
IL has taxed them out of the state. GA is just the lucky windfall recipients.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
9:27 pm
With more and more people no longer expected to contribute financially to federal government revenue support of the ever growing central government and with a shrinking base of tax payer support for same, how will we survive. I guess the Democrats have the answer but where the hell is it?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:28 pm
“Only losers beg for money from the government.”
I think jay just insulted everyone on welfare food stamps and assisted housing. Wow, jay has gone way over to the dark side. I wouldn’t even say such a thing.
Settle down jay…… Deep breaths
Lap number whatever going on right now, focus on the cars…. Going in circles
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
9:28 pm
Now please, preach to me again about this “self-sufficiency” thing again? I so love the rancid smell of hypocrisy in the evening….
In case you forgot, Jay, I’m not an elected official. And personally, I’m not a supporter of getting in bed with businesses. However, $58 of the $68 million you listed is in the form of tax forgiveness. That’s money that wouldn’t be there anyway without the new plant. If the long-term result of the new commerce brings in a steady tax stream, then it’s likely a good tradeoff. I’m sure that was the motivation of the GOP leadership.
You have a different interpretation?? Would you rather see the plant go elsewhere??
Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)
February 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
I do not particularily care for any of the GOP candidates but Barrack Obama completely disgusts me. Apologize to the Afghans because our troops burned their precious Quran, after the prisoners wrote in it sending messages to each other. Then several US troops are killed by Afghan soldiers who disapprove but no apology from the Afghan President? The US has given too much money and American lives to this uncivilized land and their savage people. Let them fend from themselves, take our troops and money and get the hell out. Nothing will ever change there! Stop all foreign aid to these savages, nothing will ever change there just like Iraq, Eqypt, Iran, Pakistan, for example!!!
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
“IL has taxed them out of the state. GA is just the lucky windfall recipients.”
Awesome…. Didn’t know they moved their headquarters out of Peoria and had shut down all operations in IL……
How that’s not case just the rhetoric…….
My bad
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
Did you catch this today ?
Headline: “OBAMA TO CUT HEALTHCARE FOR TROOPS…”
getalife
February 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
You would think that would end their welfare argument but they will ignore it Jay.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:31 pm
Recon
The answer is growth, entitlement reform, tax reform, and government operational improvements.
They’re only things republicans deliver (at least relative to Obama)
I bet rubin and Bowles and dimon vote for Romney
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
“The average wages for these jobs will be competitive with or greater than the current average wages in Athens-Clarke County of $37,596 and Oconee County of $33,748. “
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
9:32 pm
“Not being taxed by the government is not a handout.’ But it is a gift of whatever services that government provides: police protection, fire services,water, sewerage, transportation infrastructure, etc. What’s the difference?
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:34 pm
““Not being taxed by the government is not a handout.”
Yeah. Tell that to the “47 percent who don’t pay a penny in income taxes.”
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:34 pm
Recon scout
Military leadership has acknowledged health care reform is needed in the military, though less than for civilian programs
The plan is to mostly ding higher paid officers and fully employed “retirees”
Fair or not, it will cushion the pain that would otherwise be felt at the infantry / non officer level
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:35 pm
Oh, and then there’s that whole “government shouldn’t pick winners and losers” thing too.
Dems_R_Idiots
February 27th, 2012
9:35 pm
Yes let’s just ignore that gas prices are climbing & the Obozo’s approval numbers are heading south but hey he is a great poker player!
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
9:35 pm
Oops. Those jobs are lower paying than I thought. Make that payback period more like 75 years.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
9:36 pm
Oh well the left wing of the Democrat party, which encompasses pretty much all of it has no creditable answers only complaints about Republicans who may not have the answers either but at least they try. I have not seen any proposed solutions from Jay nor his faithful android followers even worthy of debate. Taps y’all
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
Yeah. Tell that to the “47 percent who don’t pay a penny in income taxes.”
OUCH. Touche.
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
Bruno- You have a different interpretation??
Tax increases are “spending cuts” in Demwit speak. Therefore lost potential income must be a expense increase. Try to keep up…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
Bruno
If you stop to look at it, it does make sense. One can think conservative when it comes to your personal opinions and ideals. However, you could also be liberal in that you don’t choose to force your opinions onto everyone else around you. Classical Liberalism is not the same thing that’s called liberal here in the US today. That goes the same for Classical Conservatism.
As far as AA, it’s a free market thing from where I see. It’s not as much as trying to right some wrongs from long ago, it’s to ensure that everybody has the same chance to try for success. When people ensure that chance is there for everyone, there will be no need for government to enforce it. As long as you have people trying to game the system, the government has to kind of ensure that doesn’t hinder people that are affected.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:38 pm
Jay I would prefer that all businesses were taxed equally (and therefore at a lower rate)
In a screwed up world where our federal government taxes more than any other nation on earth, GA is trying to do what it can to bring back jobs to America, not an easy task
I thought you guys were in favor of in-sourcing
Sure there shouldn’t be a million tax breaks
There wouldn’t need to be if American taxation was a sane affair
Dems_R_Idiots
February 27th, 2012
9:38 pm
Obozo apology to his islamic buddies because the burning of the garbage known as the Koran – pathetic
Obozo’s lack of apology for having the cross covered at Notre Dame – pathetic
getalife
February 27th, 2012
9:38 pm
Not only do they have collective amnesia about the collapse, they use selective positions like the one on welfare.
Earth to cons, you can’t be for corporate welfare then against welfare.
Good grief.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
9:39 pm
Yeah. Tell that to the “47 percent who don’t pay a penny in income taxes.”
Not paying income taxes isn’t a “handout” per se. Earned income credits by which single-on-paper moms get tax “refunds” of $8500 is a handout. At least there is an expected long-term profit with the Caterpillar giveaway.
Dems_R_Idiots
February 27th, 2012
9:40 pm
Maybe Obozo can head over to Vegas and win lots of money. The Democratic clowns in this state sure do need some cash.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:40 pm
Im more concerned about the Falcons subsidies than the Cat subsidies, just to it things in perspective here
In an ideal world, Cat wouldn’t get a thing
Tax reform negates the need for this kind of BS
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:41 pm
IL has taxed them out of the state. GA is just the lucky windfall recipients.
Seeing as though Catepillar spoke of moving production from Japan to Georgia so that they would be closer to clients in the US and Europe, I’m gonna assume that you mean IL, Japan taxed them out of state. Otherwise, I’d file that talking point in the back of the filing cabinet never to be used again, if I were you. No production moved from Illinois.
““Not being taxed by the government is not a handout.”
Yeah. Tell that to the “47 percent who don’t pay a penny in income taxes.”
Damn, that one hurt!!!
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
9:41 pm
“Earth to cons, you can’t be for corporate welfare then against welfare.”
Oh yes you can…….. It is all about semantics and linguistics…. As long as you convince yourself it is not “welfare” then damn it, it isn’t
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
9:41 pm
They both- Didn’t know they moved their headquarters out of Peoria and had shut down all operations in IL……
Rome wasn’t built in a day. They just said it would be a cold day in he!! before they built another plant in IL.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
9:42 pm
JKL2
See Bro @ 9:41
Thanks
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
9:43 pm
jm:
I’m sure this is a complicated issue but read the article. I would be interested in knowing how it might affect Jay’s parents but he doesn’t “exchange” with me anymore. The VFW is against it as a “breach of faith”:
“The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.
The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention.”
Congressional hearings will be held. That should prove interesting.
http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
9:44 pm
JKL2
Is that what they said? Really?
In the email, the company says it considered factors including port access and labor markets in deciding Illinois won’t work. The email also says a key factor was proximity to Caterpillar’s division headquarters in Cary, N.C.
Read more: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120208/NEWS05/120209797/caterpillar-rules-out-relocating-plant-in-illinois#ixzz1ndmpIzdZ
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0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
9:44 pm
Dems_R_Idiots :
I agree. People are getting tired to “kowtowing” to Islmaic sensitivities.
Time for THEM to change and get in the 21st century.
bman
February 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
So, I’m guessing that, of all of the states that were trying to lure Caterpillar, It was Georgia that offered the best bribe. I’m sure (without searching) that all of the states were offering Caterpillar some great incentives.
Any idea how long it will be until they begin construction and hiring?
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
“Fair or not, it will cushion the pain that would otherwise be felt at the infantry / non officer level”
You may want to evaluate it from the perspective of those considering re-enlistment or furthering their career as officers. I understand it’s difficult for those who’ve remained civilians but many who’ve actually served believe from their experience these cut backs will undermine the all volunteer military.
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
Excuse me: “Islamic” …………….. Oh, no I’ve done it now.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
9:45 pm
Bruno: You might recall that the EIC was a product of the Reagan administration, designed to make work more desirable than direct government payments,and to essentially remove some wage pressure on low-paying employers. Prior to EIC, those funds were being paid in direct welfare. To get an EIC, you have to have a job.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
JKL2
They cited numerous reasons, including business climate and state debt…. but cant find the cold day part
Help me out
Thanks
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
When people ensure that chance is there for everyone, there will be no need for government to enforce it. As long as you have people trying to game the system, the government has to kind of ensure that doesn’t hinder people that are affected.
Bro–Again, I see the motivation for society to try to reach out to historically disadvantaged groups. In isolation, it makes all the sense in the world. However, if the long-term goal is to create a color-blind society, creating laws which either favor or disfavor individuals due to their racial identity will never get us there. As the saying goes “You can’t steal second with one foot on first”.
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
9:47 pm
Recon 0311 2533 :
You are absolutely correct. Once you know the nation does not keep its agreement to its miliatary and veterans ………… recruitment will suffer or the quality will go down.
Jay
February 27th, 2012
9:48 pm
“Earned income credits by which single-on-paper moms get tax “refunds” of $8,500 is a handout.”
In reality:
“Tax Year 2012 maximum credit:
— $5,891 with three or more qualifying children”
getalife
February 27th, 2012
9:48 pm
“Time for THEM to change and get in the 21st century.”
They don’t want to change.
They want the occupiers to get out of their country.
And they will get that change.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
Scout
“Once you know the nation does not keep its agreement to its miliatary and veterans”
I understand your point, however when you say “agreement”; is there an insurance benefit price that is guaranteed?
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
9:49 pm
Okay, I’m out…hopefully by this time next year we’ll have a fool out of office but a lot will need to be done in order for the country to clean up the mess.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
9:53 pm
Montoya crashes into the jet dryer and there is fire on the track.
Never seen that.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
9:55 pm
You might recall that the EIC was a product of the Reagan administration, designed to make work more desirable than direct government payments,and to essentially remove some wage pressure on low-paying employers. Prior to EIC, those funds were being paid in direct welfare. To get an EIC, you have to have a job.
Yes, thanks for the reminder, Mr. B. Pretty generous for a person making around 20K per year to add on another $8500 in EIC, though.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:55 pm
However, if the long-term goal is to create a color-blind society, creating laws which either favor or disfavor individuals due to their racial identity will never get us there.
You’re absolutely right about that. I’d counter that, when the people see fit to govern themselves accordingly, laws will no longer be necessary.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
9:55 pm
We are cleaning up your mess del.
Things are getting better and they can’t build enough cars to keep up with demand.
willard wanted the auto industry to fail.
He will lose .
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
9:56 pm
I think the 500 is done. That track and the SAFER barrier are done…
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
9:59 pm
Brosephus- I’d file that talking point in the back of the filing cabinet never to be used again, if I were you
Actually I don’t know anything about the story. I’m just telling you based on my driver’s license still says I live in Peoria (a mile from the Mossville plant) and my brother-in-law who’s a production manger in East Peoria.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
9:59 pm
Scout, I’m not up to speed on the absolute latest. The last thing I read was about a month ago. Its a complex issue, but everyone needs to help pay for the health care and have some skin in the game.
That said, in my opinion, injured war vets should be completely protected and grunts should be the next least impacted. Well paid officers and working retirees with employer health care should have a lot more skin in the game. And even then I think the benefits of those that are most impacted will still be far better than typical private sector health care, as they should be.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:00 pm
In reality: “Tax Year 2012 maximum credit:— $5,891 with three or more qualifying children”
If that’s the case, then the other $2600 must have been collected as income tax = a little more than 10%.
Atlanta 1
February 27th, 2012
10:00 pm
That article drew 700 plus comments
You people really do not like each other do you?
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
10:05 pm
Bruno: I think Jay corrected your 8.5K to less than 6K. Let’s compromise on 7.25K. You want to try to raise three kids on $27,500 a year, most likely without medical insurance?
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
10:06 pm
they both- ongoing concerns about the state’s business climate.
Sounds strangely like “taxed out of the state”…
Thanks for backing me up.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:06 pm
I’d counter that, when the people see fit to govern themselves accordingly, laws will no longer be necessary.
Well, we’re nearly 50 years in. Are we anywhere near an endpoint??
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
10:07 pm
Earned income tax credit- isn’t that the one going where you can claim up to 3 kids? A friend of mine works at a casino in MS. Tax time a boatload of poor people come in and blow their refunds gambling. They get their refunds using the credit which is fine. Perfectly legal. But you can only get it for 3 kids. So what the welfare moms with 4 or more kids do is sell the extra kids name and social to someone else who applies for and gets the tax credit. Biggest scam going with that credit.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
10:08 pm
Too bad Cat didn’t build in Savannah. With JCB in Savannah, there would have been real synergies with the labor pool and training. Although perhaps better competition for skilled labor (from Cat’s point of view)……
Old Timer
February 27th, 2012
10:09 pm
Once you know the nation does not keep its agreement to its miliatary and veterans ………… recruitment will suffer or the quality will go down.
Maybe, but anyone who’s over 50 knows how the political game is played. The military and most veterans vote overwhelmingly Republican. In politics, you strike at your adversaries and spare your friends. It’s the same principle with government employees, who overwhelmingly vote Democratic. Therefore, a Republican politician will do everything possible to put the hurt on government employees. Your principles and vision are laudable, but you express them like a 7-year-old in a civics class. These politicians don’t give a hoot about the long-term consequences of their actions. The election is in November of this year, not 20 years from now.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:10 pm
You want to try to raise three kids on $27,500 a year, most likely without medical insurance?
You gotta toss in the other extras, Mr B, like subsidized child care and WIC money. And don’t forget the father(s) of the children, one of whom is likely living in the house. Think more in the $60K + range.
Angry Blogger
February 27th, 2012
10:10 pm
Atlanta 1 – buzz off you jerk. Just kidding.
jm
February 27th, 2012
10:13 pm
Bruno, I agree more people should pay income taxes and the EITC, food stamps, welfare, and unemployment are being abused. That needs fixing big time.
But it won’t solve the deficit or spending completely. The sad fact is Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid have to be on the chopping block to fix the budget. Though liberals will defend those all the way to the bottom of the ravine too…..
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
10:13 pm
Love to continue the conversation all, but gotta work tomorrow. Wiedersehen.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
10:14 pm
You get a lot of other benefits too. A doctor’s practice I deal with one of the women there gets $1600 a month for section 8 housing subsidy- $400 each for 4 kids. According to the section 8 rules each kid has to have his own bedroom, there has to be 2 or more bathrooms, etc. The lady rents a $250,000 house and after the subsidy her rent is $6. She also gets a pretty good chunk of money in food stamps and of course the kids are all on medicaid. Now this lady has a job at the Doctor’s office but apparently she qualifies for all this because the 4 kids belong to her daughter who abandoned them- her crack habit she deemed more important. Its kinda interesting when you see just how much money in benefits people can rack up at taxpayer expense. I’m starting to believe these reports that its become statistically smarter to be poor, reap something like $32,000 or whatever it is a year in total benefits from the govt, and make money on the side in cash or under the table- selling stuff at flea markets, on ebay, dealing drugs, or just working under the table for a relative or friend’s small business. No wonder there’s more people on food stamps than ever.
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
10:15 pm
Awwww. Isn’t that nice. Those Occupy Wall Streeters actually look out for each other and don’t leave those in need behind.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:18 pm
But it won’t solve the deficit or spending completely. The sad fact is Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid have to be on the chopping block to fix the budget. Though liberals will defend those all the way to the bottom of the ravine too…..
Agreed, Jm. The welfare abuse is more of a moral issue for me. Runs contrary to my own upbringing.
Getting the budget on track is an extremely hard sell. While my confidence in the Repubs is shaky at best, I have no confidence at all in the Dems to do the right thing.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
10:21 pm
JKL2
Thanks for being a jack ass
I showed where they wanted to be close to their REGIONAL Headquaters, close to a port, etc.
There were numerous factors and Caterpillar is still headquartered in IL with numerous operations in IL
Still waiting on you to back up your “cold day” comment
Guess it will be a “cold day” before you can provide that…….
Have a great night
getalife
February 27th, 2012
10:24 pm
Ignoring corporate welfare as usual. Take a position and stay true to that position cons.
Anyhoo, the safety barrier looks okay but the track does not.
Old Timer
February 27th, 2012
10:26 pm
I paid for Social Security and Medicare for almost 50 years of my working life, and I’ll need to live at least another 10 years just to break even on the contributions that my employers and I made. At age 70, 10 more years of life is very questionable for me. That your political buddies chose to keep borrowing those contributions to spend on their pet projects, including wars of choice, is not my problem. You sound like the deadbeat who is driving the new pickup and now doesn’t want to repay the auto loan. Stop writing as though SS and Medicare are just so many government handouts.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:26 pm
A doctor’s practice I deal with one of the women there gets $1600 a month for section 8 housing subsidy- $400 each for 4 kids. According to the section 8 rules each kid has to have his own bedroom, there has to be 2 or more bathrooms, etc. The lady rents a $250,000 house and after the subsidy her rent is $6.
Doom–I get at least as mad at all of the men who don’t have enough pride in themselves to marry the mothers. They usually live in the house, but are conveniently left off the official roster.
jm
February 27th, 2012
10:28 pm
“I have no confidence at all in the Dems to do the right thing.”
Bruno, agreed. At least certainly not Obama.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
10:29 pm
Actually I don’t know anything about the story. I’m just telling you based on my driver’s license still says I live in Peoria (a mile from the Mossville plant) and my brother-in-law who’s a production manger in East Peoria.
Well, it doesn’t sound like your story is the same story that Catepillar told the media. I can only go by what I read in the news as my brother-in-law works in law enforcement here in the Metro area as opposed to being a production manager.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:30 pm
I’ll need to live at least another 10 years just to break even on the contributions that my employers and I made.
OT–Are you counting any type of interest on your contribution, or just the gross figure?? If what you’re saying is true, the break even point is 15 years. Not too bad. Or did you start early, and accept the lower payment??
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
10:30 pm
Well, we’re nearly 50 years in. Are we anywhere near an endpoint??
That’s a question that can only be answered by the actions of the people. I wish I knew the answer myself. After a while, you kinda get tired of people looking at you as though you’re some kind of charity case as opposed to being damn good at what you do.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
10:35 pm
Bruno,
I am in fact mystified as to why the govt doesn’t go after men who simply refuse to accept the responsibilities of raising their kids and pass it on to the taxpayer. I guess they think just being a sperm donor is good enough. Now its possible M was exaggerating about this woman’s benefits but seeing as how she was the office manager and this woman a co-worker I doubt it. And I can’t understand how I should have to subsidize each kid having his own room. My mom grew up in a 15 kid household with 3 bedrooms and 1 bathroom. They didn’t get anything from the govt. And I had to share a room when I was a child although later in my teens I got my own room. Its a little ridiculous if what the woman was telling me is accurate about the benefits.
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:36 pm
After a while, you kinda get tired of people looking at you as though you’re some kind of charity case as opposed to being damn good at what you do.
It’s a Catch-22, Bro. The special laws feed into the perception, which reinforces the need for the laws. Seems to me the only way out of the cycle is to ditch the special laws. It’s likely that a certain amount of prejudice will always be with us, but places like Brazil show that it doesn’t have to be that way.
Janet
February 27th, 2012
10:37 pm
C’Mon guys, let’s whoop it up in here! Go Obama, The GOP guys R eating themselves alive and all U have to do is cruise cruise cruise! Be true to yourself. Be the player…patience…common sense win it
Old Timer
February 27th, 2012
10:40 pm
OT–Are you counting any type of interest on your contribution, or just the gross figure?? If what you’re saying is true, the break even point is 15 years. Not too bad. Or did you start early, and accept the lower payment??
I’m counting just the gross figure—no interest that could have been earned on the same contribution amount. And pray tell, how is a 15-year break-even for a 67-year-old such cool beans? In other words, just about every retiree is bound to live another 15 years, right? Have you looked at an insurance mortality table lately?
The point I’m making is that treating SS and Medicare as though they’re mere government handouts, like Medicare or WIC, is grossly misleading. Moreover, SS at least would be completely solvent if politicians hadn’t borrowed its funds to pay for wars and tax cuts we couldn’t afford. Now that the inevitable hard times are here, the two programs are treated as though they’re so much welfare to be diced and sliced as part of the effort to balance the budget.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
10:41 pm
Janet,
Four more years.
Easily.
jm
February 27th, 2012
10:41 pm
“why the govt doesn’t go after men who simply refuse to accept the responsibilities of raising their kids”
Doom, not to defend any of the party’s behavior on this. But you can’t squeeze blood from a stone…..
Neutering perhaps? Who’s first?
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
10:41 pm
Doom
Simple answer to that issue of subsidizing other people’s kids… family planning. No condoms + no abortions = many more kids. I wouldn’t even try to push abstinance as a viable option, because how many people do you know who are going to voluntarily give up gettin’ some?
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Bruno
It’s not the laws feeding into the perceptions, it’s those outdated mentalities that refuse to die. The problem with our country is that it was founded with prejudice woven into the fabric. I don’t see any way to remove prejudice from our country. 50 years may seem like a long time to some, but when there was still Klan activity going strong well into the 1980’s and 90’s, that mindset will be here for another 50 years. I think the laws will neuter themselves when people quit thinking with their prejudices. The laws are a product of the mindset.
jm
February 27th, 2012
10:42 pm
OT – you should be PO’d at the democrats for spending the money
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:43 pm
The GOP guys R eating themselves alive and all U have to do is cruise cruise cruise!
Relax, Janet, there’s still a long way to go. It will be a new game once a Repub candidate is settled on. No different from 2008 when Hillary was blasting Obama as unqualified and Obama’s campaign was calling Bill a racist.
jm
February 27th, 2012
10:44 pm
“outdated mentalities”
I like old fashioned people. I like old people. I think they have a lot of good values that the younger generation has lost.
So you dismiss old people all you want Bro, but not me.
Tom Middleton
February 27th, 2012
10:44 pm
Jay, with that failed level of basic comprehension, I’ll bet $10,000 of Mitt’s money Santorum was home-schooled.
jm
February 27th, 2012
10:45 pm
over and out
getalife
February 27th, 2012
10:45 pm
Old Timer,
We got your back while the cons and the gop stab you in the back.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
10:46 pm
jm
Quit overreacting to stuff. Where have I said anything about dismissing old people? Are you really that dense, or are you just trying to stir sh*t up?
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:48 pm
In other words, just about every retiree is bound to live another 15 years, right? Have you looked at an insurance mortality table lately?
Actually, yes, that and more. Think of it this way, that average mortality for men is 78 and for women 81. But those figures include all of the folks who died young, so that the average expectation once you reach 67 is actually higher than simply subtracting from 78 or 81. Does that make sense?? I’ll see if I can find the expected age of death for the group who makes it to 67.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
10:49 pm
Well, I’m out. I’ll miss the end of the race, but better that instead of oversleeping in the am. Besides, I’ve had my fill of jm’s delusions for the day.
Catch y’all later..
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:50 pm
Here you go, OT, a table of life expectancy at different ages:
http://www.efmoody.com/estate/lifeexpectancy.html
For 67, men can expect 14.2 more years, women 17.7. But this table was compiled in 1996, so the numbers are likely even higher.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
10:52 pm
“because how many people do you know who are going to voluntarily give up gettin’ some?”
Bro,
Well ya got me there. You’ld have a really hard time convincing me to voluntarily give up getting some.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
10:52 pm
I will go with he is that dense.
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
10:55 pm
Bruno and old timer,
A good rule of thumb and stat to remember because I’ve looked at plenty of mortality tables is the 65 attainment number. If you attain the age of 65 you then have over an 80% chance of living another 20 years according to the latest data. That number is of course expected to go a little higher incrementally as medicine continously improves. This is a U.S. stat of course.
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
10:55 pm
they both- Thanks for being a jack ass
I’ll take your word for it since you are the expert in that subject.
Stick with the name calling and try to avoid subjects you know nothing about.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
10:58 pm
JKL2
You have a great night
You have yet to back up your claims and continue to ignore FACTS and want to only see what fits your narrow mind and narrative
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
10:59 pm
jm,
Well ya know Congressman Paul Ryan did push that little ole lady over a cliff in her wheelchair. Just sayin…
Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:59 pm
IMO, the only rational solution to saving SSI is to gradually raise the minimum age of participation. The 65 figure was chosen a long time ago when folks didn’t live as long. Too many recipients and not enough contributors now.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
10:59 pm
So has Bro told you earlier……… File those talk pts. You can use them when you are around others who buy into your rhetoric
Good night to all
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
11:10 pm
they both- You have yet to back up your claims
Try this one: (I heard it’s from a really reliable source)
Try this onehttp://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120208/NEWS05/120209797/caterpillar-rules-out-relocating-plant-in-illinois#ixzz1ndmpIzdZ
Thulsa Doom
February 27th, 2012
11:12 pm
Bruno,
That is the only rational choice-raising the medicare age. Unfortunately its also just not fair. I’m in my mid 40s so they are talking about people 45 and under raising the age to 67 or even 68. That’s just not right even though it does make sense. But then again its not fair right now. For example on my medicare beneficiaries they paid a part B premium of $99 in 2009 when they aged in, the ones aging in in 2010 paid $110 for their part b, the ones in 2011 pay $115 that are aging in. That’s a big difference in just 2 years.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
11:16 pm
JKL2
You mean the article that along with state issues it mentions being close to a port and its regional headquarters..
Yeah I read it… Difference between you and I…. I pointed out the business climate issue but you have avoided the other issues because it doesn’t fit your rhetoric
And yet not ONE quote about a “COLD DAY”
Still waiting…….. No Cold Days in the forecast……
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
11:18 pm
TD and Bruno
SS and Medicare will both require changes in age and benefits to be viable over the long term……
The bickering needs to come to and end and some sort of plan needs to be hashed out and the voters can punish who they wish, but to both of your points…. changes needed to be implemented to bolster these programs
Republicans Had 8 Years Of INSANITY and Now They ALL Have Gone MAD
February 27th, 2012
11:23 pm
@Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:26 pm
A doctor’s practice I deal with one of the women there gets $1600 a month for section 8 housing subsidy- $400 each for 4 kids. According to the section 8 rules each kid has to have his own bedroom, there has to be 2 or more bathrooms, etc. The lady rents a $250,000 house and after the subsidy her rent is $6.
Doom–I get at least as mad at all of the men who don’t have enough pride in themselves to marry the mothers. They usually live in the house, but are conveniently left off the official roster.
*************************************************************************************
YOU Republicans Had 8 Years Of INSANITY and Now YOU ALL Have Gone MAD.
Hypocrites….Liars……
Satan is waiting on all of you.
Republicans Had 8 Years Of INSANITY and Now They ALL Have Gone MAD
February 27th, 2012
11:26 pm
@Bruno
February 27th, 2012
10:59 pm
IMO, the only rational solution to saving SSI is to gradually raise the minimum age of participation. The 65 figure was chosen a long time ago when folks didn’t live as long. Too many recipients and not enough contributors now.
*****************************************************************
Some of you don’t have to worry about collecting social security because some of you are going to die EARLY from being so EVIL.
Republicans Had 8 Years Of INSANITY and Now They ALL Have Gone MAD
February 27th, 2012
11:27 pm
By the time some of you are eligible for SSI there will not be enough money and that serves you right for being so EVIL.
JKL2
February 27th, 2012
11:28 pm
they both- you have avoided the other issues because it doesn’t fit your rhetoric
I guess they decided to move because GA promised to paint the women’s bathroom mauve.
A number of issues go into the decision where to build a plant. If your state is the most fiscally irresponsible in the country and promising to tax the bejesus out of you, you might call that a “concern about the state’s business climate” All I know is they promised never to build another plant in the state.
Maybe if you asked really nice they would let you sit in the there planning meetings next time. Until then, I’ll stick with my lengthy history with them and insider information. Sorry if your extensive googling in the last few hours doesn’t impress me as you being a subject matter expert.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
11:34 pm
“being so EVIL”
Austin Powers and Dr Evil were brothers
Ponder that Mr Divider
Cheerio
zeke
February 28th, 2012
12:03 am
He is a smart individual, but, HE IS TOO FAR LEFT WITH TOO MANY SOCIALIST IDEAS FOR THE FREE MARKET CAPITALISM THAT IS NOW AND FOREVER WILL BE IN THE USA!!
getalife
February 28th, 2012
12:27 am
You cons scare Americans with your insanity.
getalife
February 28th, 2012
12:55 am
Kensenth wins it.
Get Real
February 28th, 2012
1:22 am
He is dealing from the bottom of the deck….strong hand my a$$
Becoming,Pt2
February 28th, 2012
4:44 am
If President Obama is such a fan of poker, what’s the explanation for Black Friday?
Obama’s poker instincts on view in presidency – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) | Tight Poker Online
February 28th, 2012
5:03 am
[...] presidencyAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)Obama, on the other hand, is a poker player by nature.Via blogs.ajc.com © 2012 TightPokerOnline.com | All Rights [...]
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
5:40 am
“what’s the explanation for Black Friday?”
Steely Dan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mndqgZG4uYo
Jack
February 28th, 2012
5:52 am
Obama doesn’t mind losing other peoples’ money.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
6:28 am
Jack – unlike … you know … EVERY OTHER PRESIDENT …
Normal
February 28th, 2012
6:42 am
Good morning, all y’all…
This is heavy, man….
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2012/02/27/funny-pictures-women-and-cats/
Normal
February 28th, 2012
6:43 am
USinUK,
Evidently Jack don’t know jack…
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
6:51 am
G’morning Normal …
this is going to be YOU after that joke:
http://history.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/02/24/funny-pictures-history-as-little-thomas-walked/
weetamoe
February 28th, 2012
6:53 am
Many ways to win the game. Obama and McCain agreed to abide by campaign financing regs until Obama decided that he could win if he betrayed McCain and violated his trust by breaking their agreement. There is evidence that he is smart enough to cheat but that is all. He has never even produced a scholarly article about constitutional law, and has given a *whole buncha * evidence that he’s pretty lacking in the and umm that intelleckshal department.
AmVet
February 28th, 2012
7:52 am
For all of you unteachable gasaholics, drill, baby drill.
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
7:55 am
Oh yes that wonderful Democratic creation known as Social Security. By any other name known as a Ponzi Scheme but hey since the feds control this it is by and far legal.
Mister.Earl
February 28th, 2012
7:55 am
So Rick Santorum is pandering to the Republican base by assuming they are too, what, dumb to be college educated?
Presidents don’t stand up in public stick out their tongues and call people names. Santorum also needs to develop listening skills because President Obama didn’t say everyone had to go to a four year liberal arts college. He asked that every American commit to one year of education or training beyond high school to bring our country along into the 21st century. I don’t call that snobbery.
I call it patriotism.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
7:57 am
“So Rick Santorum is pandering to the Republican base by assuming they are too, what, dumb to be college educated?”
This from a man with *3* college degrees. Does that make him a snop, tripled?
TaxPayer
February 28th, 2012
7:58 am
On Tuesday morning, the Supreme Court will hear oral argument on whether corporations, like real people, can be held liable in American courts for international human rights violations. Uh Oh, Monsanto and Koch and Academi/Xe/Blackwater and… there’s a price to be paid for that personhood. I think corporations should also be subject to the death penalty.
Billings
February 28th, 2012
7:58 am
He’s a penny ante player with his own money and a high roller with ours.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
7:59 am
Obama and McCain agreed to abide by campaign financing regs until Obama decided that he could win if he betrayed McCain and violated his trust by breaking their agreement.
Hilarious misremembering of actual events, but go ahead–keep that in your folkloric recollections of 2008 if it makes you feel better.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
8:03 am
Does that make him a snop, tripled?
naw, it makes him something that I’m not allowed to call him, apparently.
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
8:05 am
For all of you unteachable gasaholics, drill, baby drill.
another one of those “kooky” Luckovich ‘toons. Boy howdy, that guy sure is outside the mainstream, isn’t he?
stands for decibels
February 28th, 2012
8:07 am
By any other name known as a Ponzi Scheme
Do ALL wingnuts believe this to be some kind of “abra-cadabra” spell that is supposed to stop everyone dead in their tracks and re-think the bleedin’ obvious need any civilized nation has to provide basic old-age pensions for its citizens?
GT
February 28th, 2012
8:09 am
The winningest hand dealt O is the one from the Republicans. It is like a prize fighter fighting drunks. Newt lines up to take a punch and all I see is a dissipated little man, very little self control, and ego as big as the Montana sky and wonder why. His wives digressively become robotic as he swaggers them out to the pubic like they are trophies. “I am a grandfather” he brags, not mentioning abandonment is not a family value, like a customer returning a shirt with a stain on it and wanting full value.
Then their is Rick Santorum who I expect to come out for a debate dress in the armor of a Christian
Crusader. He reminds me of an insurance salesman who presses for the sale telling you Jesus would want this. In fact we have Him on the phone now if you would like to speak to Jesus, “oh yes I forgot I am the only one that can speak to Jesus”, you just sign the dotted line, He would want that.
Mitt buys a stadium to give a speech to a crowd that could have fit in his hotel room. He is the good looking date to impress your mother and you want to take you home at 11 so you can sneak out with your real boyfriend a skinhead from New Jersey. And Ron Paul the most real one of this crowd once again the oldest because that was when the Republican Party was real and not some cartoon machine on its way out.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:13 am
“Obama and McCain agreed to abide by campaign financing regs until Obama decided that he could win if he betrayed McCain and violated his trust by breaking their agreement”
Not meant to be a factual statement.
Thomas
February 28th, 2012
8:13 am
GT- what do you see when you look in the mirror? I assume a rare combination of Brad Pitt good looks with the brains of Bill Gates. If only the Republicans had you as there leader.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:14 am
Morning, all -
Great ‘toon.
And watch out when USinUK goes into her ’stealth cat’ mode. It’s been nice knowing you.
And here’s a catchup of one Jay posted last night under the heading ‘highly recommended.’ As usual, he understated it:
http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2012-02-29colorlowres.jpg
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:14 am
“Hilarious misremembering of actual events, but go ahead–keep that in your folkloric recollections of 2008 if it makes you feel better.”
and … and … and … he broke his promise just before he went to the DARK SIDE and built himself a DEATH STAR!! (run, of course, by a Death Committee)
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
8:15 am
After listening to more Santordumb comments I’ve decided to vote for the guy in the primaries and I hope he gets the nomination. Why? Because I don’t think that Romney will beat the O-man, although it will be close. However if Romney does get the nod and loses, the Evangelical whackos will again be whining that the GOP lost because the candidate was not a “real conservative”. (In today’s code, “a real conservative” means a racist, bible thumping, dumb ass.) But if Santordumb were to get nominated, he will be annihilated in the general election. Hell, I won’t even vote for him. And as a result, hopefully “real conservatives” will crawl back into their 1950s shells and never be heard from again. Then the GOP can once become the party of intelligent discourse and stand up to the menace of creeping one-world socialism and omnipotent government.
And that concludes the godless heathen’s rant for this morning.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:16 am
Looks like the early morning libs got their coffee and have already started in on their rhetoric and hyperbole. What is that 9 straight posts of nothing more than name calling, insults, rhetoric, whining, or just plain gobbledeegook?
I guess with gas prices on the rise and the economy having grown only a paltry 2% in the last year rhetoric is all they got. Nothing new there.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:16 am
Paul – Tom Tomorrow is, as always, brilliant!
(best line – “I’ve never seen one” – HA!)
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:17 am
sfd
“Do ALL wingnuts believe this to be some kind of “abra-cadabra” spell that is supposed to stop everyone dead in their tracks ”
Well, it beats ‘ACORN!”
or ‘voter ID”
or ‘birth control!”
or… y’know, this list could go on forever…..
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:18 am
Normal
The first part of the 8:14 was for you.
TaxPayer
February 28th, 2012
8:18 am
Looks like poor Thulsa just couldn’t contain himself.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:18 am
aw, bless … poor wittle Thulsa is all afluttet whinging about gas prices (and he accuses US of having nothing new! OH! the irony)
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:19 am
criminey – make that aflutter …
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:21 am
Paul,
Cartoons mocking the church from a left wing hate site? Come on Paul. You’re one of the few liberals on here that I expect much better discourse from.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:21 am
Thulsa Doom
“nothing more than name calling, insults, rhetoric, whining, or just plain gobbledeegook? ”
Mocking.
It’s called ‘mocking.’
BOR calls it a fine way to respond to whacko comments. One would think you’d be overjoyed, what with your political adversaries heeding the advice of the Fox News Star!
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:22 am
gas prices?
Every time a Republican talks Iran war,
the cost of gas goes up some more
It’s the uncertainty.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:23 am
Thulsa
“You’re one of the few liberals on here that I expect much better discourse from.”
It’s a political cartoon. It’s meant to engender discourse, not to be a serious, accurate portrayal of events.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:23 am
If santorum wins Michigan, I think we can chalk a good piece of it up to democratic meddling.
Rascals.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:24 am
USinUK,
Are you kidding me? The more gas prices rise the more devastating it is to the O-man. My expectations of you are quite low. But not so absymally low that I wouldn’t even expect you to grasp this rather obvious point.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:24 am
salon a “left wing hate site”???
my, oh my … someone really IS overly sensitive … I hope you don’t go out in direct sunlight Thulsa … do you bruise like a grape?
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:25 am
Jm
If santorum wins Michigan, I think we can chalk a good piece of it up to men losing control of their women.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:25 am
Paul, I hear you but it just looks to me like more hate speech. I always thought it odd the selective hate that liberals dish out.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:26 am
“It’s the uncertainty”
Heisenberg, statistical, known unknowns, or unknown unknowns?
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:26 am
Thulsa – those of us who live in the reality-based universe actually understand how the market works – and know that the President has eff-all to do with the prices you pay at the pumps.
what I DO find amusing, however, is that you guys love to level the charge at him that he’s a socialist but that you have NO problem with him meddling in the market so that you can have cheap gas …
laugh.
effing.
riot.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
8:26 am
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:16 am
Looks like the early morning libs got their coffee and have already started in on their rhetoric and hyperbole. What is that 9 straight posts of nothing more than name calling, insults, rhetoric, whining, or just plain gobbledeegook?
___________________________________
You left out sanctimonious. Lightning strikes for that one.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:26 am
Meddling?
“Republican PAC’s Robocall Also Tells MI Dems To Vote Santorum To Spite Romney”
Adam
February 28th, 2012
8:27 am
Sounds like some people are in for one hell of a shock. Multiple pages of gas prices… I’ll wager anyone that even if gas goes to $5/gal Obama gets re-election. It may be important, but it’s certainly not going to suddenly make people vote for stupid (the Republicans in 2012).
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:27 am
Paul
Women tilt away from santorum silly
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:28 am
Paul – “It’s meant to engender discourse, not to be a serious, accurate portrayal of events”
you’re forgetting the first rule of Republican Fight Club … if they don’t like it, it’s hate speech.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:28 am
Now, tell me again why we should build the pipeline?:
“Rising gasoline prices have helped proponents of a controversial pipeline proposal press their case that the project would help ease supply bottlenecks and lower prices for consumers.
They’re half right.
The proposed pipeline would relieve a glut of crude oil backing up in the Midwest and redirect those barrels to Gulf of Mexico ports. From there they could be shipped to world markets and repriced at higher global prices.”
AND
“That’s where the Keystone pipeline comes in. Proponents of the pipeline have argued it will help wean the U.S. off foreign imports and lower pump prices. But rather than pushing Gulf Coast prices lower, it will let oil producers charge more for their crude.”
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:28 am
Paul,
I’ll counter your fox news with my Chris “I got a tingle up my leg when Obama speaks” Matthews MSNBC news.
USinUK I saw dailykos in the link which is a kook site. Now if it is from salon then at least that is indeed not kooky quite like dailykos or the myriad other re-education sites you guys visit.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:29 am
Uncertainty here. Uncertainty there.
Uncertainly everywhere.
Certainly there is uncertainty.
That’s what they said.
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:29 am
“Women tilt away from santorum silly”
god knows, our uteruses do …
(women will get that joke …)
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:29 am
Granny
A santorum PAC did that
Adam
February 28th, 2012
8:30 am
BTW thank you, cons, for bringing my attention to Media Matters. It is refreshing to see a site full of factual information that you cannot find actual fault with.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
8:31 am
Oh yeah and thank you for reminding me to donate to Planned Parenthood, the Girl Scouts, and the Obama campaign. Especially now that I can afford it.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
8:31 am
If the world market determines oil prices, how would a company not make a higher margin selling the oil domestically instead of shipping it overseas?
AmVet
February 28th, 2012
8:31 am
stands @8:07, the consequences of Miltie never getting near a legitimate dictionary in his entire life.
Aka The Art of Republispeak…
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:32 am
“you’re forgetting the first rule of Republican Fight Club … if they don’t like it, it’s hate speech.”
USinUK,
Well now it do depend ma’am and you may be right after all. Its only hate speech in the lib playbook if its directed towards Muslims. And Lord help us if you make a cartoon of Mohammud.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:32 am
Kos a kook?
Let’s have some respect for our Vets shall we….
Did you know he used to be a Republican but saw the light?
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:32 am
sweet jeebus on a jetski …
I love how the tightie righties’ memory hole when it comes to Chris Matthews is as deep as it is wide …
you want to know how “lefty” he is?? go back and watch him SWOON over W in his flight suit on the Mission Accomplished debacle … indeed, he called him “powerful and manly” …
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:32 am
Thulsa Doom – ” The more gas prices rise the more devastating it is to the O-man.”
You could be right, as long as people continue to be stupid enought to believe that Obama can do anything to change the price of gas without changing the price of oil. Then again, these are probably the same people who elected Bush twice regardless of the fact that every business he ever touched went straight in the crapper.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:33 am
Bill Maher gave $1 million to Obama
The commies are hypocrites, violate their own supposed principles, and are downright insane.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:33 am
“It is refreshing to see a site full of factual information that you cannot find actual fault with.”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:33 am
Santorum Pac Meddling, D’UH.
That’s what I posted. D’UH
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:34 am
“And Lord help us if you make a cartoon of Mohammud.”
and … what … you think we condone the violence that happened after that??? or, in fact, had a problem with the cartoon in the first place?
shows how little you know.
(even less than previously imagined … and that’s holding the bar rather low)
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:34 am
Jm,
Bill Maher? Isn’t that the punk who looks like a rat that’s on acid?
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
8:35 am
Can someone please explain to me BO’s strategy to relieve gas prices for the downtrodden middle class in the near term? Is it grin and bear it until we can all drive electric cars while deflecting blame? Since all will shoot down traditional approaches, I’m relying on him as president to provide leadership and problem solving skills vs political skills…Help!
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
8:35 am
According to whom, Butch?
This prof has a different opinion.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/02/27/mr-obama-youre-wrong-boosting-us-oil-production-would-be-huge/
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:35 am
Bill Maher a commie?
That’s funny no matter who you are!
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:35 am
JohnnyReb – “If the world market determines oil prices, how would a company not make a higher margin selling the oil domestically instead of shipping it overseas?”
Ask the producers:
“TransCanada Corp. estimates the pipeline would boost sales of Canadian-produced crude by $2 billion to $4 billion a year, according to an assessment submitted to Canada’s National Energy Board.
“The prices for those crudes in North Dakota and Canada will fetch closer to Gulf Coast prices, which are tied into the higher international market price,” said Tim Hess, an Energy Department analyst.
The reason is fairly simple. Even at maximum capacity, the Keystone line will move some 400,000 barrels per day of crude from Canada and the Midwest to global oil market. With the transportation discount removed, those barrels likely will be repriced to the higher global benchmark. “
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:35 am
“and … what … you think we condone the violence that happened after that???”
Oh lawdy, USinUK is right back to her mindreading again.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Butch
Your 8:28 points out the president can do things to change the price of oil
You just proved the republican position
Good job
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Thulsa 8:25
“it just looks to me like more hate speech. ”
It’s also called ‘early morning banter.’
Jm
“Women tilt away from santorum silly”
Like I said, Republican men have lost control of their wimmen -
Thulsa
See how that works?
AmVet
February 28th, 2012
8:36 am
Doom, BTW I read that Wiki link.
That is the proof that Rush Limbo did NOT call Iraq war veterans opposed to the war “phony soldiers”???
He did call them that. That is indisputable.
That he went all Richard Nixon and DELETED one minute and thirty five seconds of that transcript should tell you what you need to know about that mooching fatass coward.
All that his sycophantic liars did was go into damage control mode and blather about context.
He is a disgusting human being that sells shlock to sheep and hides behind the flag…
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
8:36 am
“Not intended to be a factual statement”
So point out what is not factual on that site. If the statement is not factual it should be EASY for you.
Doggone/GA
February 28th, 2012
8:37 am
“Can someone please explain to me BO’s strategy to relieve gas prices for the downtrodden middle class in the near term?”
So what should he be doing?
USinUK
February 28th, 2012
8:38 am
Thulsa – 8:35 – darlin, I can’t read what isn’t there.
you were the one who said “Its only hate speech in the lib playbook if its directed towards Muslims. And Lord help us if you make a cartoon of Mohammud.”
implying that we have NO problem with the cartoon or the violence that followed.
man up and own what you said.
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:38 am
godless heathen – “According to whom, Butch?”
TransCanada – ““TransCanada Corp. estimates the pipeline would boost sales of Canadian-produced crude by $2 billion to $4 billion a year, according to an assessment submitted to Canada’s National Energy Board.
“The prices for those crudes in North Dakota and Canada will fetch closer to Gulf Coast prices, which are tied into the higher international market price,” said Tim Hess, an Energy Department analyst.
The reason is fairly simple. Even at maximum capacity, the Keystone line will move some 400,000 barrels per day of crude from Canada and the Midwest to global oil market. With the transportation discount removed, those barrels likely will be repriced to the higher global benchmark. “
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:39 am
“Now, tell me again why we should build the pipeline?:”
Part of Keystone XL’s being built – Oklahoma thru Texas.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/02/27/3767539/texas-portion-of-keystone-xl-pipeline.html
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
8:39 am
Dems have taken a 180 on gas/oil:
When Bush was in office: Bush went to war for cheap oil; to enrich his oil buddies
When their clown is in office: There is nothing that the pres can do
And we wonder why the Democratic party in this state is financially broke.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:40 am
Oh lawdy. Now the kooks are making demands. Musta hurt UK’s feelings again.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
8:40 am
Anyone noticed that Hillary is beginning to look a lot like William F. Buckley, Jr. these days? Not sound, just look.
Jm
February 28th, 2012
8:40 am
Granny
Your post said “republican PAC”
duh
It was a santorum PAC, not some “independent” conservative PAC
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
8:41 am
Jm – “You just proved the republican position”
Of what, Nationalizing the Industry in order to control the market?
Please read carefully the statements below:
“From there they could be shipped to world markets and repriced at higher global prices.”
AND
“But rather than pushing Gulf Coast prices lower, it will let oil producers charge more for their crude.”
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
8:42 am
Who cares how Michigan votes for the republican nominee. The wasteland of a state is in the back pocket of Obozo anyway.
Detroit still giving away houses for $1 for any Obozo supporter?
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
8:42 am
DOGGONE,
I’m not president but I’m also (JM) looking for the spineless one to address this security issue as I guess none of our electorate have, despite lives lost and the cost of drones et al, a good job of protecting our so called interests…
DOGGONE, do you accept his deflection (getting boring) and hope for affordable alternatives in our lifetime???
Also, just because some of us take time to think of each issue separately, labeling someone a con or liberal due to position on one of many issues is not deserving of response (JM)
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:42 am
Stevie Ray
“Can someone please explain to me BO’s strategy to relieve gas prices for the downtrodden middle class in the near term?”
It’s to do and say absolutely nothing and let free market forces determine the price of gas.
Happy now?
GT
February 28th, 2012
8:42 am
The Republican Party who is on life support because of super packs got cheated by Obama now that is rich. The Supreme Court that they rail about has kept any hope of this gypsy band of coos staying alive and gave them a minority victory and then the GOPs other ally “bad news” came in September 11 and has extended their freak show.
What do I look at in the mirror? A real family man that has one wife and two married daughters goes to the same church for 30 years not as a teacher but a learner. I still wear a suit to church, have family dinners at a dinner table, with a dog that eats from my hand under it. We say a prayer before we eat,usually said by one of my daughters, I respect their presence and worry about them in a world of little men like Newt or Rick. I have a grandchild coming in March, my first, I worry about the world these ego sickies are leaving her. Will marriage even be an institution when we run men who have no respect for it, yet conveniently speak for God. Will there be a world if men do not believe in science. Will there be women in that world or will my granddaughter be a robot too, giving some false impression her man is a good family man, or a good Christian man with her taking the duty of carrying his bags. .
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
8:43 am
Occupy Atlanta moonbats cause $30k in damages to Woodruff park – taxpayers to pick up tab.
Funny that the AJC is not reporting this,
Adam
February 28th, 2012
8:43 am
Thulsa: Doggone beat me to it. I second this:
“Not intended to be a factual statement”
So point out what is not factual on that site. If the statement is not factual it should be EASY for you.
Granny Godzilla
February 28th, 2012
8:43 am
santorum is a democrat?
a mug wump?
a bull moose?
D’UH.
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:43 am
AmVet, I gotta admit its hilarious to see you go off on the fat man.
JohnnyReb
February 28th, 2012
8:46 am
Thanks, Butch. For a layman such as myself it seems simple that if there is a demand for crude here a producer could sell it for less here but make more margin than selling it overseas due to the transportation cost being less.
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
8:46 am
GT:
“The Republican Party who is on life support…”
I guess a GT education is not what it used to be. The Dems in this state are the ones that are broke.
“…or a good Christian man with her taking the duty of carrying his bags”
Please remind this “educated” one that Roman Catholics are mainly democrats.
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:46 am
MiltonMan
“When Bush was in office: Bush went to war for cheap oil; to enrich his oil buddies
When their clown is in office: There is nothing that the pres can do”
So, are you saying the Democratic attacks on Pres Bush over gas prices were purely for political advantage and had no connection to reality?
And now are you saying that the only thing that’s changed is who’s in office, so Republican attacks on Pres Obama are purely for political advantage and have no connection to reality?
Or in other words, do you admit Democrats’ assessment of the President’s lack of control over gasoline prices is correct?
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:47 am
Doggone,
Prove that it is a factual statement. 2 can play your 6th grade games.
Why do you start off every morning like USinUK with the self ridiculing, self debasing posts indicative of your limited focus?
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
8:47 am
PAUL,
Brilliant…what about security? Also, when gas goes up to $6/gallon, the average stiff with average commute will spend on average $7K annually before taxes on gas expense alone not to mention prices of all goods sold. In anticipation of your response, Bush is no longer in office. These implications alone will get the spineless one tossed out of office in favor of either a religious zealot or a man of such “sartorial regalia, he may be lacking genitalia”.
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
8:47 am
Butch?
There are refineries in North Dakota?
And just yesterday, Jay Carney (that’s Obama’s boy, isn’t he?) was quoted in this report from the Arkansas News.
TransCanada said the southern section is needed now because there is an urgent demand for more pipeline capacity from Cushing to Texas refineries. Oil producers in Oklahoma, Texas, North Dakota and Montana do not have access to enough pipeline capacity to transport their significant increase in production.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney issued a statement today saying that President Barack Obama welcomed the news.
“We support the company’s interest in proceeding with this project, which will help address the bottleneck of oil in Cushing,” Carney said. “Moving oil from the Midwest to the world-class, state-of-the-art refineries on the Gulf Coast will modernize our infrastructure, create jobs and encourage American energy production.”
Carney said the Obama administration would take every step possible to expedite the necessary federal permits for construction.
MiltonMan
February 28th, 2012
8:49 am
Paul:
“Democrats assessment … is correct” in the same sentence. Good one.
No connection in reality??? Pal have you paid for gasoline lately?
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
8:49 am
PAUL,
Yes, I see we are on the same page…..allah help us!
Thulsa Doom
February 28th, 2012
8:50 am
Liberalism- a political philosophy based on the supposition that you can in fact pick up a turd by the clean end. USinUK and doggone are still trying to pick up that turd by the clean end.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
8:51 am
Thulsa: Doggone,
Prove that it is a factual statement. 2 can play your 6th grade games.
That would be proving a negative since you have submitted absolutely ZERO statements indicating anything false coming from that site. It would also be catering to a logical fallacy known as “shifting the burden of proof.” The burden is on you to find ACTUAL (not name-checking, name-calling, or the like) FAULT with what comes from Media Matters site, since you claim that you CAN.
Stevie Ray
February 28th, 2012
8:52 am
THULSA,
I no longer respond to those predictably shallow, ignorant based, and name calling one liner types. It’s more fun to debate the issues. We all know who these folks are…
Paul
February 28th, 2012
8:59 am
Stevie Ray
Okay, I’ll bite.
What about security?
As to the rest of your post, you did not address the question.
Were Democrats correct when they assailed Pres Bush for not controlling gas prices? If they were not correct, how can Republicans now be correct for assailing Pres Obama for not controlling gas prices?
Paul
February 28th, 2012
9:02 am
Milton Man
Yup. Just got done with a 600 mile trip over the weekend. Cruise control saves a lot of gas. So does not going ten or fifteen over the limit to save a few minutes.
But that begs the question: just what can the pres do to lower gas prices.
And…. should the pres interfere in the free market?
Stevie Ray
“Yes, I see we are on the same page…..allah help us!”
I’ll take any help I can get, from anyone or anything!
Taylor Wooten
February 28th, 2012
9:03 am
Id love to play Poker with him…..and clean his clock.
He’s stupid.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:08 am
Good job waiting for the new topic to post Taylor! But a hint for you: You did not avoid getting ridiculed anyway!
Butch Cassidy
February 28th, 2012
9:10 am
godless heathen – “There are refineries in North Dakota?”
I never said there wer. The refineries are typically on the coast in order to refine the crude which in turn is shipped OUT and sold on the world market. Again, unlsee we seize control of the industry, simply moving the oil will do nothing to reduce the price of fuel. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?
godless heathen©
February 28th, 2012
9:19 am
“I never said there wer. The refineries are typically on the coast in order to refine the crude which in turn is shipped OUT and sold on the world market.”
Well I don’t understand your original point. Because I thought you were saying if the pipeline was constructed the price paid for the oil would increase because it would go to the world market instead of being sold at home. But it has reach the refinery either way.
“Why is this so difficult for you to understand?”
Jay Carney doesn’t seem to understand it either.
Morrus
February 28th, 2012
9:21 am
Has Santorum realized he might be the nominee and started to purposefully implode?
WaitAMinute
February 28th, 2012
9:33 am
What’s up with the republican A.D.D.? A few months ago, they could not stop talking about the budget deficit. I guess that problem went away. Wasn’t there something else about jobs?
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:40 am
There is a refinery in North Dakota: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandan_Refinery
Adam
February 28th, 2012
9:40 am
Morrus: Has Santorum realized he might be the nominee and started to purposefully implode?
He’s either throwing the game or going for broke.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 28th, 2012
9:44 am
Obamacare at it’s finest… If a Republican did this Democrats would we be crying like babies, but, if Obama does it, they will back the decision, weak…
http://freebeacon.com/trashing-tricare/
jms
February 28th, 2012
9:46 am
Snarky: “Despite what many commenters here like to pretend. Our President is a smart man on many levels.”
That’s true but. unfortunately it does not; translate to being a: good president or an – effective leader!
jms
February 28th, 2012
9:48 am
Snarky: “Despite what many commenters here like to pretend. Our President is a smart man on many levels.”
That”s true but. unfortunately it does not; translate to being, a good president or an: effective leader!
jezel
February 28th, 2012
9:51 am
Obama could play the game blind folded and beat any one the GOP can offer as an opponent. What has happened to the GOP?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 28th, 2012
9:55 am
F. SInkiewicz — “Joe, next time don’t buy your wife a POS Volt, unless of course you hate her.”
One, we don’t own a Volt. Two, Volts normally don’t make a sound, since they’re all-electric.
Three, you’re a Richard. And not a very large one, either.
DawgDad
February 28th, 2012
10:05 am
“As an Illinois state senator, he was a regular in a weekly late-night poker game among lobbyists and fellow legislators. ”
Yep, while the majority of us were WORKING LONG HOURS, RAISING KIDS, EXPANDING OUR EDUCATION, etc. This speaks volumes about the man.
SPC
February 28th, 2012
10:12 am
There’s a big difference between being a winner and being a leader.
DawgDad
February 28th, 2012
10:15 am
“Volts normally don’t make a sound, since they’re all-electric.”
Doesn’t that make them a safety hazard?
Mister.Earl
February 28th, 2012
10:22 am
All Americans should thank Mr. Santorum for his honesty and candor.
He has clearly exposed the heart and soul of the 21st century Republican party — something that has been kept under wraps for decades as it has metastacized and taken over its host.
The racist haters, the unchristian “Christians” and the sexual hypocrites now have a true leader.
Adam
February 28th, 2012
11:27 am
DawgDad: “Volts normally don’t make a sound, since they’re all-electric.”
Doesn’t that make them a safety hazard?
Don’t worry. I’m pretty sure this is incorrect, that they have ADDED sound for safety
jezel
February 28th, 2012
6:45 pm
well said Mister Earl…the truth always comes out doesn’t it.
jezel
February 28th, 2012
6:58 pm
Until the GOP rids itself of this trash…it is a dead party. Will be interesting to see what will emerge from the ashes.
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
February 28th, 2012
8:58 pm
Jay, whatever you are smoking, or otherwise ingesting, you need to give it up and get some help, man. The Supreme Leader’s train is up on two wheels, and is about to crash and burn. As his former pastor said, “The chickens are coming home to roost.” Nobody is buying his virtual economy, nor any of his other buffoonery.