Obama’s poker instincts on view in presidency
The other day I stumbled across a Time magazine piece published back in July 2008, soon after John McCain and Barack Obama had emerged as their parties’ nominees. The premise of the piece was that both men liked to gamble, and that “games of chance have been not just a hobby but also a fundamental feature of their development as people and politicians.”
McCain, for example, loves to play craps, which the piece describes as “a game for showmen, Hollywood stars and basketball legends with girls on their arms.” Dice in hand, money on the table, a crowd gathered along the rails to cheer him on, a craps player basks in attention and adrenalin.
“For McCain, jaunts to the craps table helped burnish his image as a political hot dog who relishes the thrill of a good fight,” the Time piece notes, “even if the risk of failure was high.”
I’m usually wary of pieces that attempt to psycho-analyze candidates, especially when viewed through a single lens such as their choice of gambling outlets. But in hindsight, McCain’s subsequent behavior validated the Time thesis. A few weeks after the piece appeared, he rolled the dice in a high-stakes gamble on Sarah Palin, and did so again when he announced that he was suspending his campaign to rush back to Washington to save the American economy. Neither gamble paid off, but they were consistent with his personality.
Obama, on the other hand, is a poker player by nature. As an Illinois state senator, he was a regular in a weekly late-night poker game among lobbyists and fellow legislators. Interviewing other regulars in those games, the Time reporters found that Obama had a reputation as a conservative player. He’d fold losing hands quickly, but if he chose to stay in the game, it usually meant he had calculated the odds and was in it to win. Rather than force things, he patiently let the game come to him:
“The stakes were low enough — $1 ante and $3 top raise — to afford a long shot. Not Obama. He studied the cards as closely as an 11th-hour amendment to a bill. The odds were religion to him. Only rarely did he bluff….”
Obama’s play-to-win approach drove other players crazy. Former state Sen. Larry Walsh, a conservative corn farmer from Joliet, once got ready to pull in a pot with a four-of-a-kind hand. But Obama had four of a kind too, of higher rank. Walsh slammed down his cards. “Doggone it, Barack, if you were more liberal in your card-playing and more conservative in your politics, you and I would get along much better,” he said.
In hindsight, that also seems to have been prescient. As president, Obama has tended to abandon losing hands quickly, often to the frustration of liberal supporters who want to see him fight it out. However, when he draws a strong hand, the last few years have proved that he plays it well and reaps maximum advantage from it.
– Jay Bookman
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They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
6:56 pm
Sink
If you didn’t get the translation, it doesn’t appear that the Party you worship is doing to good at hiring minorities at the ballot box……… but you spin it in anyway that will make you feel better and sleep well tonight
josef
February 27th, 2012
6:56 pm
FRED
Try the mojo. I think you’ll like it.
Thomas
February 27th, 2012
6:57 pm
Don’t know if it’s representative of MSNBC but it’s a pretty good show for highlighting opposing political views, so far.
Thanks Paul- been meaning to catch the show as I have heard good things- I have been too much into Squawk rut- will tune in tomorrow am
Will try it tomorrow
getalife
February 27th, 2012
6:58 pm
“Drug Testing Bill Targets Florida State Workers, Excludes Lawmakers” Aol.
Just sick.
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:03 pm
getalife
“Drug Testing Bill Targets Florida State Workers, Excludes Lawmakers” Aol
(Insert Brosephus’ face-palm here)
kayaker 71
February 27th, 2012
7:05 pm
Bozo’s poker playing skills? He is a dismal failure. Really worked in Egypt, did it not? He is still playing but his stack of chips is getting pretty low. Ask Ray LaHood. Then there’s Israel. Bebe beat him hands down. He hasn’t done so well with the little Iranian. They and the rest of the Muslim world just laugh at him. And then there’s that pesky Afghanistan thing, something about two active duty officers being shot and another one or two that we have to make apologies about. Good poker players do not apologize. They win.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:06 pm
Yo, josef, take a look at your local rag, Jay’s employer, once in a while and you’ll understand why they’re in the ditch.
Georgia is a red state. The AJC is a liberal paper. And they bangs their collective heads on the wall wondering why as a business they’re going down the tubes. Just two examples in today’s edition:
Page A4: how Obamacare is loved by lib ilk governors.
Page A6: how gas prices are not O’bozo’s fault and Newt is an idiot for suggesting gas can get down to $2.50 a gallon or less.
Lib ilk media like that will be out of business soon.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:06 pm
You need to expand your mind, Sink.
Gotta have something to expand first…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:09 pm
“Drug Testing Bill Targets Florida State Workers, Excludes Lawmakers” Aol.
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josef
Just jumped back on the pc.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
7:11 pm
I guess they think nixon was right.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:12 pm
Dana is driving he Fabreeze car?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:13 pm
“What We’ve Got Here is a Failure to Communicate….Some Men You Just Can’t Reach……”
Thomas Jefferson
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:15 pm
wreck on lap 1
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:16 pm
Josef 5:56
My only metric is can he do the job well and fix the deficit
On those measures Romney is the best choice, especially relative to Obama
getalife
February 27th, 2012
7:16 pm
Looks like Jimmy got hurt in that crash.
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
It pains me deeply whenever I think about how miserable the Republicans will be during the next four years of the Obama administration… not really.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:17 pm
eerr, lap 2
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:18 pm
Damn phone, I’m not caught up. Anyway, if you are still here Bro, did you see the wreck on lap 2? I swear it was that left rear touch crap again.
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:19 pm
BOTH
“… to good at hiring minorities at the ballot box”
Just doing my EOI duties here, but off the top of my head
Tom Cole
Nikki Haley
Bobby Jindal
Joseph Cao
Darrel Issa
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:19 pm
“On those measures Romney is the best choice, especially relative to Obama”
Saw a movie trailer for The Three Stooges movie last week.
Moe, Larry, or Curley all would be a better choice than O’bozo.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:19 pm
BOTH suck
“he is pretty pragmatic and realistic”
No wonder, as a Republican, he has to go to MSNBC for a show….
josef
A gentleman – that’s been my impression from my limited exposure.
The other day – during the Republican birth control fracas, he said his wife epitomizes the conservative Republican woman and keeps him in line, but she and her friends were discussing the Republican candidates’ social comments and pretty much saying “WT!??!’s got into them?!!?”
Sink
A token?
Is that like a Tinker, Tailor, Soldier or Spy?
And… yayyyyy!!!!!!!!!! I made “Ilk” status!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fred
Okay, I seem to remember I didn’t buy a bunch of citrus and juice it (would’ve done so when I lived in Florida ’cause they practically give the stuff away) – probably used Florida Naturals not from concentrate. And a frozen lime juice, no sucrose, reconstituted.
I tried it a couple of ways (marinate in just oil and oregano or with the orange juice reduction) then found his Throwdown cookbook, which didn’t clarify. So I settled on this.
I concentrated on working the garlic into the slashes but didn’t worry about where else it went. It’s not like recipes where you insert a garlic slice into a slit.
After rubbing the pork with the olive oil and 1/4C oregano (I used a pork butt, not the shoulder, and didn’t trim the excess fat ’cause there isn’t much external excess) I added the other oregano into the orange juice/lime juice mix, got a gallon or two gallon ziploc bag and put the pork in that and poured in the orange juice/lime juice mixture that’d been reduced. and let it marinate the max time.
Then I used that marinade to baste it.
Not many people thought the plantains were worth the effort. You can find some pretty good fried plantains in the frozen section of a lot of markets that are good and more consistent then the fresh ones.
The dipping sauce got mixed reviews. Try it and see what you think.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:20 pm
Fred
That’s the one thing I don’t like about this new aero package. It doesn’t look like it was a serious touch either, that’s if Jimmie got touched in the first place.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:23 pm
josef
The Republican Party is making efforts to court minority candidates and I know it is not zero; however they have a long way to go to even look close to the overall demographics of the country….
Not sure if it is the realization that current Party make up will not last when looking at demographic trends, a real change of heart or a combination. Either way there is an effort and I think that will be good long term for the electorate……
I was just attempting to make a point with Sink and his post of liberals and hiring minorities
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:24 pm
Hey getalife
Welcome back!
There are a bunch of cons here who need some Zen comments to settle their minds.
Good luck.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
josef: Arrogant little snits we used to beat up on the kindergarten playground and they never got over it…
I’ll be damned if you didn’t nail those two little cowards to a wall.
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
SINKWICH
Do you take the AJC seriously in the broader picture?
Jm
There are issues other than the economy, you know…
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:26 pm
Mr.B: Thanks for the info. two boobs WAS back for one post Sunday though…….
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:27 pm
“And… yayyyyy!!!!!!!!!! I made “Ilk” status!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
You should hang your head in shame.
There is nothing admirable about being a leech. Your Momma should have taught you that.
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
7:28 pm
“Do you take the AJC seriously in the broader picture?”
No.
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:29 pm
They BOTH
Did you read this one here?
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republican-candidates-avoid-direct-outreach-michigan-muslims-arab-134539124.html
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:34 pm
Sinkwich
It’s “Mommas, don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys”
Not “Mommas, don’t let your babies grow up to be ilkboys”
I’ll go with Willie’s version, thank you.
Face it, Sinkwich, we provide the reason for your existence here.
So, .. you’re leeching off ilk!
LOLOLOL!!!!!!
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:35 pm
BOTH
This is true, but I do think that once we move beyond the Black-Jewish-Latino view of what a minority is, we begin to see a different pattern emerging…which find intriguing. Why ARE Indian Americans, American Indians and Asian Americans making it there and not with the Democrats?
FRED
Goya makes a pretty good bottled mojo marinade, too…good for starters…
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:37 pm
Josef 7:26
Not really. Without a good economy, all the goody benefits become impossible to afford
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:37 pm
Bro
Thanks for the article. Had not seen it. Guess they are not making the strides I thought and read about, but I think there are efforts in certain areas.
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Race: another wreck
I remember several yrs ago before NASCAR tried that crappy wing, they had a spoiler for the plate races that had a lip that went inward back towards the car. I’m sure there were other features to the set up, but I remember some great racing and even with the “big one”, there wasn’t a wreck every 10 laps….
They will get settled down soon and give us a good show……. I hope
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:39 pm
I had Jimmy in my NASCAR pool…
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:39 pm
This discussion with Fred reminds me… I’m hungry!
Work’ll have to wait ’till waaaay early morning.
It’s time for pork chops with a cider-dijon glaze and maybe some orzo with olive oil and whatever strikes me’ll go good in it.
Then it’s Once Upon a Time and Snow White. Thank heavens for DVRs.
Pleasant evening, all -
TaxPayer
February 27th, 2012
7:40 pm
“I have to admit the economy is getting better. It’s getting better all the time.” – Thomas Jefferson’s favorite Beatles tune
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:41 pm
They BOTH
There’s so many different facets to “minority” campaigning, that many get lost in the mix when we focus on the Black/White issue. I’m more interested to see how the GOP progresses once Whites lose their majority status. They will have to actively seek to broaden their appeal if they wish to remain relevant.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:41 pm
josef @ 7:35
Good points. It will be interesting to see how both Parties work to attract voters in the next 10 yrs as the country changes demographically in numerous areas……..
Of course, if we continue to get the same discourse we get now from both Parties, it will only prove to be efforts to attract voters and not a true attempt to get past the BS that seems to strangle us on certain issues
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:42 pm
and josef – thanks for the Goya tip. I’ll look for it.
______________________________________________
Jay’s in a NASCAR pool?!!?
Swimming with Mitt’s owner friends, eh?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:42 pm
Everyone needs to watch this
Lib and con
The war is not over as much as one might want it to be
http://www.ted.com/talks/sharmeen_obaid_chinoy_inside_a_school_for_suicide_bombers.html
So sad and absurd
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:43 pm
Bro
Exactly…. I speaking all minorities not just the Black/White issue…..
The changes are coming…. Republicans must adapt to stay ahead or even. Doesn’t mean Democrats can rest because they too have much work to be done as a Party
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:44 pm
Jay
Should have gone with Kyle… or Tony…
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:44 pm
Check out that Joe Gibbs power up front!!!!
josef
February 27th, 2012
7:45 pm
BOTH
I stay amused at those locked in especially to the black-white dichotomy and the “browning of America” cheer-jeer…neither seems to be able to grasp that the browner America has an axe to grind with both!
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:45 pm
“They will have to actively seek to broaden their appeal if they wish to remain relevant.”
They will, Bro, and it’s gonna be a hard thing to learn to do. They’ve trapped themselves in a strategy of diminishing returns, betting on their ability to pull more and more support from a dwindling pool.
Fred ™
February 27th, 2012
7:46 pm
Thanks Paul and josef.
Paul, there wasn’t a new Once Upon a Time last night. no one went up against the oscars with a new show. LOL why do you think they didn’t run the race last night?
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
Bro, my buds and I pick two drivers each race. I had Kyle and Jimmy, and thought I was in good shape. But Daytona dictated otherwise….
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
The GOP is motivated to reform immigration so it can be put to rest
Facilitates appeal to Hispanics who are a natural GOP constituency
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:47 pm
Fred
Thanks. Now I won’t have to check the DVR settings.
Grimm it is!
Out ’till I get work done in the morning -
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:48 pm
Bro
Watch out for the 10 year old underwear bombers……..
Jay
February 27th, 2012
7:48 pm
Who amongst us doth not sip Chablis with NASCAR owners, Paul?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:50 pm
Democrats don’t actually want to reform immigration because they use the extremist position of amnesty as a wedge issue to tilt Hispanics in their favor
Hispanics don’t understand that democrats don’t really care about them
Just like democrats don’t care about black people or poor people either
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:50 pm
Jay @ 7:45
Great post……… Of course the spoils go to the victors, but the Republicans were so glad to when so much on the state level in 2010. It has allowed them to redistrict and prolong the inevitable; which is start adapting or fall behind
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:51 pm
Jay
If they ejected that far right crap, I could see myself drifting more towards the GOP. I can’t compromise myself by backing people that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached right now.
My co-workers have a yahoo league, and I switched Tony for Kyle so I wouldn’t have an all Toyota lineup. I don’t think I’ve ever done well when I’ve had all one manufacture picked for a race.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:51 pm
no one went up against the oscars with a new show.
Sounds like nobody watched the Oscars last night. I watched about 40 minutes.
Paul
February 27th, 2012
7:53 pm
Jay
I so like you connect so well with us commoners!
Third time’s the charm – bye!
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 27th, 2012
7:53 pm
they use the extremist position of amnesty as a wedge issue to tilt Hispanics in their favor
Do you make this stuff up yourself?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:54 pm
“to win so much”…………….. My bad. Watching the race
Ted
February 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
Just one time I would like to see an opinion piece from JB that is not utterly predictable.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:56 pm
If they ejected that far right crap, I could see myself drifting more towards the GOP. I can’t compromise myself by backing people that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached right now.”
So you vote based on how others vote and not based on who the best candidate is? That is more nonsensical than voting for a birther candidate because it shows complete disregard for making an intelligent personal choice. Otherwise known as “irrational”.
Bro will vote R when the sun rises in the west. Pure BS from bro…..
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
7:57 pm
Headline: “OBAMA TO CUT HEALTHCARE FOR TROOPS… ”
“The Obama administration’s proposed defense budget calls for military families and retirees to pay sharply more for their healthcare, while leaving unionized civilian defense workers’ benefits untouched. The proposal is causing a major rift within the Pentagon, according to U.S. officials. Several congressional aides suggested the move is designed to increase the enrollment in Obamacare’s state-run insurance exchanges.
The disparity in treatment between civilian and uniformed personnel is causing a backlash within the military that could undermine recruitment and retention.”
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
jm
What do you think I do for a living?? I try to identify them before they know who they are.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
Jm
“So you vote based on how others vote and not based on who the best candidate is? ”
I take it that you never vote a straight ticket or just Republican and Libertarian………… correct?
Jm
February 27th, 2012
7:58 pm
Finn
You and the democrats see the world in black and white
I see it in color
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Headline (New York Times): “Obama using Espionage Act to ’silence and prosecute federal workers’…”
“Last Wednesday in the White House briefing room, the administration’s press secretary, Jay Carney, opened on a somber note, citing the deaths of Marie Colvin and Anthony Shadid, two reporters who had died “in order to bring truth” while reporting in Syria.
Jake Tapper, the White House correspondent for ABC News, pointed out that the administration had lauded brave reporting in distant lands more than once and then asked, “How does that square with the fact that this administration has been so aggressively trying to stop aggressive journalism in the United States by using the Espionage Act to take whistle-blowers to court?”
He then suggested that the administration seemed to believe that “the truth should come out abroad; it shouldn’t come out here.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/business/media/white-house-uses-espionage-act-to-pursue-leak-cases-media-equation.html?_r=3&ref=todayspaper
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Both
I vote for the best candidate
Not based on who the hell else is supporting or voting for someone
If that was the intelligent metric, you couldn’t vote for anyone, because there are plenty of idiots voting for both parties
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
Chablis and NASCAR? How gauche on both counts!
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:01 pm
So you vote based on how others vote and not based on who the best candidate is?
No. I vote based on what I hear come from the candidate’s mouth. When I hear nothing but negativity, it doesn’t give me much confidence in them. When a candidate can’t be honest and forthright with things, that doesn’t entice me to vote for them. Many times, I’ll vote for the one who lies the least. Sometimes, I’ll vote for the lil guy that didn’t campaign at all. At least he hasn’t lied.
I’ve voted R probably as much as I’ve voted D. You need to get your head out of stereotype land. Local politics here is dominated by Republicans. Voting party lines will leave you out in the cold. Get a clue dude…. at least for once in your life.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:02 pm
Both
In short, I have never ever ever voted a straight ticket
Jay
February 27th, 2012
8:02 pm
If they ejected that far right crap, I could see myself drifting more towards the GOP.
And if pigs could fly, they’d be robins and bacon would be a lot more expensive.
0311/1811
February 27th, 2012
8:03 pm
Headline: “Obama Plays Race Card, Calls on Churches to Support Campaign…”
Ah ……………….. separation of church and state ?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:03 pm
Jm
So you vote for candidates in both Parties?
I mentioned Libertarian earlier, but let’s be honest. In our current way of doing things, Repub and Dems rule the show
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:04 pm
Bro
Your words: “I can’t compromise myself by backing people that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached right now.”
I guess you misspoke….
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
Both
Yes, I’ve voted D, R, and on a few rare occasions L
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
Jm @ 8:02
You answered before I posted @ 8:03.
Thanks for the feedback. While I lean left, I never vote a straight ticket either.
I must be honest, the Dem’s shenanigans scare me less than the far right wing of the Republican Party
Jay
February 27th, 2012
8:05 pm
They’ve created a party identity largely around the rejection of The Other, and abandoning that is going to be a very tricky process. It has to happen, but the transition will require years in the political wilderness for them.
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
jm
The only reason the Latinos go so heavily for the Democrats is that the GOP wants to load ‘em up and ship ‘em out. They are under no delusions that they “belong.”
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:06 pm
Both
I guess I have to repeat myself, time rolls on
I gave $1000 to kasim reed, several hundred to Obama, and I obviously vote for the people I give money too
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:09 pm
BOTH
“I must be honest, the Dem’s shenanigans scare me less than the far right wing of the Republican Party”
And I second that emotion….
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:09 pm
Both
Romney is not far right
If santorum is the nominee, I can get voting for Obama by many
But I’d encourage you to think long and hard before voting if the republican is Romney
Josef
All the R’s know you can’t ship them home
The plan is visas and back of the line for citizenship, and reform quotas.
Democrats want outright amnesty. That extremist position won’t fly and creates huge future problems.
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:11 pm
Jm
I will listen to Romney, but will the real Romey please stand up, please stand up
His he the centrists who governed in Mass or the “conservative” who is running right to capture the nomination.
I understand that candidates in both Parties play that game to some degree or another, however we are discussing Romney
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
jm
No, I did not misspeak at all. “I can’t compromise myself by backing people (the GOP) that believe a lot of the stuff that’s being preached (by the candidates) right now.” I might not have clarified myself, but I did not misspeak.
Jay
There are some sensible Republicans out there. I think the main problem is that the rhetoric has taken on a life of itself to the point that sensibility is completely lost on the fringe. Both parties are actually suffering from the same thing as you see moderates on both sides either quitting or being voted out by someone that appeals to the ever polarizing bases. I don’t think the process would be too difficult if people with common sense could shut up the fringe cheerleader group. That said, it will be a formidable task to accomplish that because of that cheerleader group.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:13 pm
Romney is a centrist BOTH
He is running to the right to secure the nomination
He wants to fix our fiscal problems and make government more effective, and leaner
Jay
February 27th, 2012
8:14 pm
HIGHLY RECOMMENDED:
http://images2.dailykos.com/i/user/2722/TMW2012-02-29colorlowres.jpg
bman
February 27th, 2012
8:16 pm
far right? far left? On this board alone, I have read some equally looney stuff. I don’t think there’s a winner
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:17 pm
Dailykos, kind of funny, but only marginally relevant
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:18 pm
Jm
Than I still do not know who he is…………. But as I have, I will continue to read and listen
He had to be a centrist to win in Mass
He has to play the role of the most conservative candidate to win the nomination.
Neither one of those tells me who he is outside of being a political chameleon………..
Time will tell. I think he is going to get the nomination and we will see how he campaigns and what he says to garner moderates and independents while keeps the far right wing placated
F. Sinkwich
February 27th, 2012
8:19 pm
“I gave $1000 to kasim reed, several hundred to Obama, and I obviously vote for the people I give money too”
Thanks for helping to ruin our country.
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:19 pm
They BOTH Suck
Lets try this one and then click on “join the fight”.
http://www.vfw.org/News-and-Events/
josef
February 27th, 2012
8:19 pm
Jm
“All the R’s know you can’t ship them home”
ALL? Just tune in here and see how off that one is…and what they “know” and the rhetoric they use are two different things…the latter is what is alienating the Latinos, including those whose ancestry goes back to the 1600s and among those who are can be counted in the most conservative of Americans.
And your contention that Democrats want outright amnesty…that simply is not true. The current administration is pursuing a far more stringent deportation process in sheer numbers than any of the previous ones…
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:20 pm
Recon
Thanks for getting back to me. The link worked this time. I will check it out
Recon 0311 2533
February 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
They BOTH Suck,
Sorry but I’ve been away and wasn’t able to reply until now.
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
Sinkwich
Reed was a good choice
Obama not so much. I’m atoning for my sins this round and writing checks for mitt twice a month
getalife
February 27th, 2012
8:21 pm
The winner is the President by default.
willard is a flip flop.
getalife
February 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
They don;t need your money jm.
You are paying for one night bar tab.
Mr_B
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
josef: I’m curious. “NPR decidedly left and often bordering on the lunatic fringe,”?? Examples please.
And where in the hell do you find kosher ham hocks? ;0
Jm
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
Getalife
My checks are bigger than that
Unless you have a huge bar tab
And since there are funding limits, I am giving time too
Sinkwich, what are you going to do for the GOP candidate come general election time?
Sign in the yard, volunteer time, money?
They BOTH suck
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
Recon
Do you have anything in terms of dollars for the actual increases? Is it more than the average increase seen for most people in terms of health coverage? I will also ask my dad. He utilizes a combination of Tricare and my mom’s insurance.
Thanks again
Brosephus™
February 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
The current administration is pursuing a far more stringent deportation process in sheer numbers than any of the previous ones…
Facts don’t matter to one who’s eyebrow deep in the rhetoric pool…