Obama’s poker instincts on view in presidency

The other day I stumbled across a Time magazine piece published back in July 2008, soon after John McCain and Barack Obama had emerged as their parties’ nominees. The premise of the piece was that both men liked to gamble, and that “games of chance have been not just a hobby but also a fundamental feature of their development as people and politicians.”

McCain, for example, loves to play craps, which the piece describes as “a game for showmen, Hollywood stars and basketball legends with girls on their arms.” Dice in hand, money on the table, a crowd gathered along the rails to cheer him on, a craps player basks in attention and adrenalin.

“For McCain, jaunts to the craps table helped burnish his image as a political hot dog who relishes the thrill of a good fight,” the Time piece notes, “even if the risk of failure was high.”

I’m usually wary of pieces that attempt to psycho-analyze candidates, especially when viewed through a single lens such as their choice of gambling outlets. But in hindsight, McCain’s subsequent behavior validated the Time thesis. A few weeks after the piece appeared, he rolled the dice in a high-stakes gamble on Sarah Palin, and did so again when he announced that he was suspending his campaign to rush back to Washington to save the American economy. Neither gamble paid off, but they were consistent with his personality.

Obama, on the other hand, is a poker player by nature. As an Illinois state senator, he was a regular in a weekly late-night poker game among lobbyists and fellow legislators. Interviewing other regulars in those games, the Time reporters found that Obama had a reputation as a conservative player. He’d fold losing hands quickly, but if he chose to stay in the game, it usually meant he had calculated the odds and was in it to win. Rather than force things, he patiently let the game come to him:

“The stakes were low enough — $1 ante and $3 top raise — to afford a long shot. Not Obama. He studied the cards as closely as an 11th-hour amendment to a bill. The odds were religion to him. Only rarely did he bluff….”

Obama’s play-to-win approach drove other players crazy. Former state Sen. Larry Walsh, a conservative corn farmer from Joliet, once got ready to pull in a pot with a four-of-a-kind hand. But Obama had four of a kind too, of higher rank. Walsh slammed down his cards. “Doggone it, Barack, if you were more liberal in your card-playing and more conservative in your politics, you and I would get along much better,” he said.

In hindsight, that also seems to have been prescient. As president, Obama has tended to abandon losing hands quickly, often to the frustration of liberal supporters who want to see him fight it out. However, when he draws a strong hand, the last few years have proved that he plays it well and reaps maximum advantage from it.

– Jay Bookman

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HDB

February 27th, 2012
12:22 pm

A smart man lets the game come to him……a crazy man tries to force the issue!! Many don’t understand why Obama is letting the game come to him…but it’s better than the cowboy mentality of the GOP!!

JOE COOL

February 27th, 2012
12:23 pm

2nd!! what i win>

Mr. Snarky

February 27th, 2012
12:24 pm

Despite what many commenters here like to pretend. Our President is a smart man on many levels.

Guy Incognito

February 27th, 2012
12:25 pm

Speaking of poker players……those of u around ATL, check out the video of the Dunwoody cops interview with Hemy Neuman.

Nice job!

Mr. Snarky

February 27th, 2012
12:27 pm

er…revision: Despite what many commenters here like to pretend, our President is a smart man on many levels.

Romney is smart too, but he has to be a weasel to win the nomination…but he’s not a convincing weasel.

Thomas

February 27th, 2012
12:28 pm

Great piece- Phil Ivey for President

If only Jimmy the Greek were around we really get moving….

Lord Help Us

February 27th, 2012
12:29 pm

‘I’m usually wary of pieces that attempt to psycho-analyze candidates…’

As am I…

Slow news day?

Normal

February 27th, 2012
12:31 pm

Joe cool,
What’d you win…no motorcikle, just the pickle… :)

As to President Obama, yes…I like his style in card playing and as President. I guess I’m all in for four more years…

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
12:36 pm

Santorum doesn’t believe in gambling.

Lord Help Us

February 27th, 2012
12:38 pm

Further pyscho analysis…Obama’s choice of a labradoodle with its hypoallergenic and non-shedding characteristics displays a conservative and practical nature.

McCain’s ankle biting chihuahua that turns and runs when confronted is indicative of both he and Palin.

Thank goodness neither had an Irish Setter strapped to the top of the car driving to Canada…

Bruno

February 27th, 2012
12:39 pm

For McCain, jaunts to the craps table helped burnish his image as a political hot dog who relishes the thrill of a good fight,” the Time piece notes, “even if the risk of failure was high.

Only one problem with your analogy, Jay–craps actually offers some of the best odds in the house if you play it correctly. Only baccarat is in the same category of fairness to the better as far a games of pure chance. Poker, along with blackjack, are legally considered to be games of skill. Stu Ungar once spent $50,000 in legal and travel fees to avoid paying a $500 fine to help ensure that legal interpretation. Many poker players also spent great sums to ensure that poker is considered the same way. Tax policy is one of the main drivers of this effort, of course.

But Obama had four of a kind too, of higher rank.

Your pandering is becoming a bit embarrassing, I would say……..

Jimmy62

February 27th, 2012
12:41 pm

If Obama’s such a great player, why is he losing all our chips to China? His record shows that he repeatedly loses all his chips and has to buy back in. I’d rather have someone who has more chips than they started with rather than less.

I thought the last change in the debt ceiling was supposed to last us through the election. The numbers were designed by Obama’s team specifically to keep it from being an issue during the campaign. But it looks like they will have to vote to raise the limit again in the next few months well before the election. Another losing hand played by Obama.

Adam

February 27th, 2012
12:42 pm

Hmmm. Not sure if I entirely agree with the premise of comparing gambling styles to policy making, but it does seem Obama has done a good amount of cost-benefit analysis in just about every political move he makes, often finding people scratching their heads about how it doesn’t make any sense – until the results are in, that is. Then everyone starts thinking he must have seen the outcome all along and in response, say stuff like “well played.”

Bruno

February 27th, 2012
12:45 pm

it does seem Obama has done a good amount of cost-benefit analysis in just about every political move he makes, often finding people scratching their heads about how it doesn’t make any sense – until the results are in, that is. Then everyone starts thinking he must have seen the outcome all along and in response, say stuff like “well played.”

Obviously you’re not talking about ObamaCare. The Texas Holdem equivalent of going all in with a 2-7 off-suit.

Recon 0311 2533

February 27th, 2012
12:47 pm

Adam

February 27th, 2012
12:48 pm

Bruno: I really don’t see how the ACA is a losing thing for Obama. The more equivalent analogy would be winning with that 2-7 off suit and pissing all the other players off because it shouldn’t have happened.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
12:49 pm

Obviously you’re not talking about ObamaCare.

Yeah, I also hate it that my insurance company can’t drop me after years of paying in.

getalife

February 27th, 2012
12:51 pm

Slow news days are good days.

This President is as good as it gets.

Normal

February 27th, 2012
12:51 pm

Santorum doesn’t believe in gambling.

I think ol’ Rick also believes a wet dream is really an abortion…

(ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
12:52 pm

At the very least this is an interesting read. Probably an interesting/possibly true analysis.

Bruno – True, but every hand isn’t necessarily a winner, and as the guy from Illinois said, he would bluff, sometimes. The bill isn’t so bad at its base level, it is just when you get down to the implementation that it is bad. But all the same, anyone who plays poker knows that a good player can get away with a bad bluff every now and then and still come out way ahead.

On a side note, if I become any more liberal, I’m going to quit coming here. Y’all are a bad influence. :(

Recon 0311 2533

February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm

Mr_B

February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm

No point in bothering with this post ignoring Obama’s craven “apology” to the ungrateful Afghanis. Just one more in Jay’s lame attempt to bash whatever unright Republican savior …….

Oh,wait……

Doggone/GA

February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm

“Obama’s choice of a labradoodle with its hypoallergenic and non-shedding characteristics displays a conservative and practical nature. ”

First of all, the dog is not a “labrdoodle” – it’s a Portugese Water Dog. And second of all, one of his daughters is allergic to dog dander, hence the choice of a non-shedding breed.

ragnar danneskjold

February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm

Too bad he does not have any policies that are winners.

(ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm

Normal – A wet dream most certainly is an abortion. Just like recreational sex is a “bad thing.” :roll:

Adam

February 27th, 2012
12:56 pm

Too bad he does not have any policies that are winners.

Yeah cuz Fair Pay for women, supporting contraception availability for women, ending DADT, ending the Iraq war, killing bin Laden… yep those are all losers…

Mr_B

February 27th, 2012
12:57 pm

(Ir)rational: Come over to the dark side, Luke. It’s your destiny. :)

JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.

February 27th, 2012
12:58 pm

Happy 78th birthday to one of the most influential Americans of the 20th century, Ralph Nader.

Mazel Tov and many more…

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
12:58 pm

Obama’s craven “apology” to the ungrateful Afghanis

What should they be grateful for?

(ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
12:59 pm

Mr_B – While on the face of it, it seems weak, what exactly is wrong with apologizing when you’ve done something wrong? There was a pile of Korans that was set on fire. It doesn’t matter where it happens, that is going to be viewed badly by a large group of people all over the world. But hey, I guess you would rather just “bash” someone (well, in this case two people) for a perceived wrong instead of acknowledging that the other guy could be right from time to time.

Erwin's cat

February 27th, 2012
12:59 pm

Normal

February 27th, 2012
1:00 pm

MR. B,
Tell me you wouldn’t be pi$$ed if the, say, the Iranians took the Bible and desecrated it? The Koran is their Bible, the NATO soldiers desecrated it, and President Obama tried to do the right thing. I don’t see a problem…except to those who won’t give President Obama a break no matter what he does or doesn’t do…

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:01 pm

Normal

February 27th, 2012
1:01 pm

ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
12:54 pm

:lol:

ragnar danneskjold

February 27th, 2012
1:02 pm

Dear Adam @ 12:56, agree. Rare occasion,

Bruno

February 27th, 2012
1:02 pm

The bill isn’t so bad at its base level, it is just when you get down to the implementation that it is bad.

I’ll just have to let that statement stand for itself, Irrational.

But all the same, anyone who plays poker knows that a good player can get away with a bad bluff every now and then and still come out way ahead.

Not a bluff at this point, unfortunately, unless the SC weighs in with a pair of pocket aces to save the day.

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:02 pm

“No point in bothering with this post ignoring Obama’s craven “apology” to the ungrateful Afghanis”

you’re kidding, right???

they burned hundreds of Korans – you dont’ think that deserves an apology???

Jefferson

February 27th, 2012
1:03 pm

The president set the GOP up on the social death spiral that they can’t get off their shoe. Those cats are so easy to play on because they are so greedy and worried about everyone else’s business.
Like shooting fish in a barrel.

Erwin's cat

February 27th, 2012
1:03 pm

A good poker player plays the other players not the cards

Mr_B

February 27th, 2012
1:04 pm

“What should they be grateful for?”

Why all that great Americans stuff they didn’t ask for or want. Real southern BBQ, Diebold voting machines, Kohler toilets for places without running water, HBO, the list is endless.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
1:05 pm

Why would you burn a Koran? Had it’s expiration date passed? Did a newer version just come out?

Erwin's cat

February 27th, 2012
1:05 pm

they burned hundreds of Korans – you dont’ think that deserves an apology???”

No I don’t

Shawny

February 27th, 2012
1:05 pm

Ought to be a good poker player. Can look you in the eye and lie without blinking. The best BSers make good poker players.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
1:06 pm

southern BBQ

Well, maybe if it were Lexington NC bbq….

Mr_B

February 27th, 2012
1:06 pm

(Ir)rational: Sorry, I fogot to hit the “sarcasm” key in my 12:54.

Jefferson

February 27th, 2012
1:07 pm

Economy getting better, more jobs, market is high. The GOP will look at the dark clouds for a straw. To say it is not better, would take away one’s credibility.

JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.

February 27th, 2012
1:07 pm

The Bushbot neo-cons b*tching about statesmanship.

Hysterical.

That lot can’t even spell it, much less understand what it is…

Their idea of foreign policy/international affairs can be summarized in two words: invasion and occupation.

Of the botched varieties…

Erwin's cat

February 27th, 2012
1:08 pm

Finn – “Why would you burn a Koran? Had it’s expiration date passed? Did a newer version just come out?”

It was my understanding that the prisoners were leaving notes for one another in the books, as well as highlighting and radicalizing some “passages” for inspiration

Bruno

February 27th, 2012
1:08 pm

I don’t see a problem…except to those who won’t give President Obama a break no matter what he does or doesn’t do…

If it makes the Libs feel better, I see nothing wrong with issuing an apology. If some bon mots can help diffuse the situation, no problem……At the same time, I’ve heard some intimations on the board that some “stand-down” orders may have been issued as well. I don’t know the accuracy of that statement, but would never compromise our authority even while apologizing.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
1:08 pm

The fact they set them on fire isn’t bad – that’s actually how you are supposed to dispose of them (well, there is one other way.)

But you are supposed to burn them after wrapping them in a clean cloth, etc. etc, etc. There is a system to it that the troops ignored – or didn’t know about.

Doggone/GA

February 27th, 2012
1:09 pm

“they burned hundreds of Korans – you dont’ think that deserves an apology???”

Of course not. They’re “the enemy” and you don’t apologize to “enemies”, right? /snarc

getalife

February 27th, 2012
1:09 pm

Nine more Americans killed because of this action.

Show them some respect cons.

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:10 pm

“No I don’t”

yeah. I really don’t know WHY they hate us …

:roll:

(ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
1:10 pm

Ah. I was confused for a minute.

Bruno – The idea behind the bill, changing the rules governing insurance companies to stop them from dropping people the minute they get sick, and setting up ways for people that are already sick to be able to find insurance, aren’t bad. It is the way that it was done that gives the whole thing the horrible “stench” that is associated with it, in my opinion. But that is just one of the things I’ve been able to look at objectively and, except for a few things (like the individual mandate, and the way it was passed) find no major issue with it. Maybe you should try that one day.

Mr_B

February 27th, 2012
1:11 pm

Only 45 posts in, and I’ve already accidentally hijacked Jay’s blog with a satiric comment about apologies, directed at some the resident whiners around here. THE POOOOWWWEER! WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

Adam

February 27th, 2012
1:12 pm

So who wants to be the first to say that apologizing for burning Korans is “apologizing for America?” Any takers?

Brosephus

February 27th, 2012
1:12 pm

“You gotta know when to hold’em, know when to fold’em, know when to walk away, know when to run.”

–Thomas Jefferson

Normal

February 27th, 2012
1:13 pm

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:10 pm

As don’t I, sadly. I really don’t get how some of us don’t understand that actions begat reactions…

Jefferson

February 27th, 2012
1:14 pm

A strait flush beats a full house.

– AAA Septic Tank Service

Guy Incognito

February 27th, 2012
1:14 pm

Isn’t writing in the Koran a desecration?

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:14 pm

Bro – “can’t read my … can’t read my … no he can’t read my pokerface”
Tommy J.

carlosgvv

February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm

Finn McCool – “What sould they be grateful for”

Well, maybe our being willing to sacrifice a large number of American lives to keep them from being under the Taliban again.

Normal

February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm

Mr B will never make the “A” list… ;)

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm

Normal – 1:13 – it’s our peeance and freeance they hate.

or some such.

Erwin's cat

February 27th, 2012
1:15 pm

USinUK – “yeah. I really don’t know WHY they hate us … “

Yeah, the retaliation murders were completely justified huh?
They “hate” us because we are NOT Muslims and have been hating us long before the first Koran was burnt…but go ahead and capitulate and let know me how that works out

JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.

February 27th, 2012
1:16 pm

I really don’t know WHY they hate us…

You haven’t heard?

According to the sophists George, Dick, Rudy, Sanitarium and virtually every other single nitwit neo-con out there, they hate us for our freedoms…

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
1:16 pm

The fact is that once you start disrespecting one religion then you have to disrespect all of em. Otherwise some of them will be moanin’ that they aren’t getting the disrespect that the others are getting.

Vicious cycle

(ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
1:16 pm

Jefferson – That is epic.

Jefferson

February 27th, 2012
1:17 pm

Not liberators ? Occupiers ?

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:17 pm

“but go ahead and capitulate and let know me how that works out”

tell you what – how about you go to dictionary.com and learn what the word CAPITULATE means before you start using it in those big words in a sentence.

apologizing /= capulating

St Simons - we're on Island time

February 27th, 2012
1:18 pm

Obammmma the black Mammmba – ssssss-thwack

I’d give my whole tax refund if he would just look in the camera
and say that the next time he punks the cons heheh

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:19 pm

hahahahaha … or capitulating!!! or copulating …

sweet jeebus, my misspellings crack me up.

Bruno

February 27th, 2012
1:20 pm

Irrational @ 1:10–The failure of the bill is that specific insurance company “unfair” practices could have been addressed individually without attempting to rework the financing of the entire sector via the mandate. As I’ve stated ad nauseum, if the goal is to create a health care system by which all expenses are shared, then get rid of the middleman altogether and go single-payer. If health care is to remain an individual responsibility, as I believe it should, then encourage free market competition.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
1:20 pm

Well, maybe our being willing to sacrifice a large number of American lives to keep them from being under the Taliban again.

So a country invades the US and keeps the Democrat party from operating. You conservatives would be grateful that that country was sacrificing their people’s lives so you wouldn’t have to deal with Democrats? Or would you prefer that the country leave and let you decide on your own if you want to be bothered by democrats? You wouldn’t want us to handle our problems ourselves?

Mr_B

February 27th, 2012
1:20 pm

Well, maybe our being willing to sacrifice a large number of American lives to keep them from being under the Taliban again.

Suppose,just for an instant, that they actually agree with the Taliban.

jm

February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

“a crazy man tries to force the issue!!”

When the game gets played out on the deficit and debt issue, it will be too late and every teet sucker will be cast into the street like in Greece.

This is why we need to elect LEADERS as our President, not poker players. True to Jay’s analogy, Obama doesn’t understand how to change the dynamics of the game, all he knows is how to play it. We don’t need a player in the White House. We need a President.

Mitt 2012

Erwin's cat

February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

USinUK – how about just reading the sentence instead of reading what you ‘think” I meant

Towncrier

February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

“The premise of the piece was that both men liked to gamble, and that “games of chance have been not just a hobby but also a fundamental feature of their development as people and politicians.”

Great. So Jay want to give me the impression that our president may be gambling with our future (since he does apparently gamble). Call me stupid, but where does that thing called “principle” come in? I guess I should learn to stop worrying and learn to love the Obama, huh?

carlosgvv

February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

If Afghans were really that upset about those Koran burnings, why didn’t they just get a bunch of Old and New Testaments and burn them? Instead, they go on a killing spree that shows no signs of stopping. It’s been clear for years now that this country is still in the Dark Ages. Why did supposedly high-powered college graduates in our Govt. think we could somehow succeed in any kind of nation building? Why are we still there? How many more Americans and others have to die before we finally have enough sense to get out? Even though the majority of Americans want us out, why is neither Party very anxious to get us out NOW?

JamVet - There are two types of Republicans, millionaires and suckers.

February 27th, 2012
1:21 pm

expat, any one capitulating on copulating is gonna get…………..screwed.

Republicans, as a means of policy, promote ethnic, religious, racial, regional and social hatreds.

It is their bread and butter. And has been since Reagan began perfecting the art.

And why the rest of the republic and planet can’t stand them…

Doggone/GA

February 27th, 2012
1:22 pm

“keeps the Democrat party ”

There is no “Democrat party”

jm

February 27th, 2012
1:22 pm

“Slow news days are good days.

This President is as good as it gets.”

Yeah, slow. Other than Afghanistan imploding due to our failure of a President.

Guy Incognito

February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm

Yes, sweet blujammad…girls going to school in Afghanistan must be stopped. Who are we to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to be thought of lower than the family dog?

Thulsa Doom

February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm

“Not Obama. He studied the cards as closely as an 11th-hour amendment to a bill.”

Just like he studies the finite details of where our tax money is spent to avoid waste such as Solyndra, earmarks, etc. Is there anything Jay doesn’t think this guy is a genius at?

USinUK

February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm

Erwin – “but go ahead and capitulate and let know me how that works out”

yeah. I don’t know HOW I could misread that statement

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 27th, 2012
1:23 pm

it will be too late and every teet sucker will be cast into the street like in Greece.

jm has seen all. jm will tell us the future! All hail jm.

jm

February 27th, 2012
1:25 pm

Doom 1:23 – 10 years from now Jay will be saying he wasn’t a HUGE fan of Obama.

Towncrier

February 27th, 2012
1:25 pm

“So who wants to be the first to say that apologizing for burning Korans is “apologizing for America?” Any takers?”

I guess Obama shouldn’t have crawled a mile on broken glass, judging from the results of said apology. Ever try apologizing to a belligerent and willful child? How did that go?

(ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
1:26 pm

Bruno – Hate to say it, but this was one area where the free market wasn’t doing its job. I’m not a fan of the “single payer” system, but it wasn’t working. If it was working, I wouldn’t have $10,000 (still) in medical bills that I’m working to pay off from my wife’s hospital visit a year ago. But since she couldn’t get insurance, and wasn’t able to find full time work, I guess the system was working the way it was set up. But hey, I’m sure you have a better solution, let’s here it. Is the system working now? Will it be working in the future if you need it? Or do we want to improve it today, so that when you need it in the future, it will work the way you need it to? Like I said, it wasn’t necessarily the best bill in the world, definitely not the best solution, but it is a good starting place that we can build from. I haven’t found enough in it to dislike that I would want to scrap the entire thing anyway.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?

February 27th, 2012
1:26 pm

Who are we to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to be thought of lower than the family dog

How did we get back on the Republican thoughts about women and their rights to control their own bodies.

Mr_B

February 27th, 2012
1:27 pm

“Yes, sweet blujammad…girls going to school in Afghanistan must be stopped. Who are we to say that they shouldn’t be allowed to be thought of lower than the family dog?”

Danm straight. Even If we gotta kill every danm one of ‘em so they get the respect they deserve.

Normal

February 27th, 2012
1:27 pm

jm

February 27th, 2012
1:22 pm
“Slow news days are good days.

This President is as good as it gets.”

“Yeah, slow. Other than Afghanistan imploding due to our failure of a President.”

It’s just mind boggling how his mind works…whew!

Doggone/GA

February 27th, 2012
1:27 pm

“Great. So Jay want to give me the impression that our president may be gambling with our future”

ALL national leaders gamble with the futures of their population. ALL of them. So maybe it’s a good idea to have a GOOD gambler in office.

Bruno

February 27th, 2012
1:28 pm

“Liquor in the front, and poker in the rear”

–Bill Clinton

jm

February 27th, 2012
1:29 pm

“ALL national leaders gamble with the futures of their population. ALL of them. So maybe it’s a good idea to have a GOOD gambler in office.”

Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Eye roll.

/out

(ir)Rational

February 27th, 2012
1:30 pm

Thulsa – You realize that Jay was quoting someone else there?

Thomas

February 27th, 2012
1:31 pm

I am waiting for the great poker player to make a move against $109.07- the current price of crude.

fold or all in? The world economy is one big balloon- you can squeeze part of it but it will inflate on the other end. No one has ever been successful providing increased handouts, increasing tax revenue, and balancing a budget.

We shall await though-

Towncrier

February 27th, 2012
1:31 pm

“ALL national leaders gamble with the futures of their population. ALL of them. So maybe it’s a good idea to have a GOOD gambler in office.”

Even if I were to stipulate that proposition (which I don’t since there is no reasonable way to prove it), it is still an argumentum ad populum. Wouldn’t you much prefer someone acting strictly or mostly from principle, even if he or she were the first?

Doggone/GA

February 27th, 2012
1:33 pm

“Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Eye roll”

I guess Jm prefers that a BAD gambler be in charge. Explains a LOT!

Doggone/GA

February 27th, 2012
1:34 pm

“I am waiting for the great poker player to make a move against $109.07- the current price of crude”

What should he do?