World oil producers quake at prospect of Newt

Shaking in their boots…

http://blog.locustfork.net/

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I think Jay Bookman quakes at the prospect of Newt.

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Under Obama, world Oil prices have tripled. It’s not because of demand. Demand is down. Way down.

These oil prices have already experienced the power of Obama.

More profit from the sale of $1 of gasoline goes to the Federal government than it does to the corporations that take all the risk to manufacture and produce it.

Now that is the power of Obama.

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” It’s not because of demand. Demand is down. Way down.”

Not on the world market it isn’t. It’s up, and continues to go up as we speak.

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We are at war in the state of Georgia…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM

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Perry has forgotten how much extra fuel that Air Force one would have to use getting that lard adze off the ground.

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Enough of the BS on declining oil supplies. There are no shortages of crude anywhere in the world.

The monetary policy of the US and European nations decimating the real value of their currencies is the real culprit here.

And what is the Fed strategy going forward? Ultra low interest rates.

Amazing that when priced in real currencies like gold or silver, the price of oil is relatively stable over not just years, but decades.

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HDB – “Only way to bring oil prices down in the US is to NATIONALIZE the oil companies”

Exactly. When did the GOP suddenly decide that socialism is good, free markets are bad, and the government needs to step in to save everyone?

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The National Retail Fuel Price Average for Regular gas was $1.84 per gallon in January 2009 when Obama took office. In February, 2012, it is now $3.60 a gallon. Even the most delusional Obama supporter can no longer blame anybody else BUT Obama himself for this shocking rise ! ….. I guess this was what Obama meant by “ Change, Change, Change “ !!! Yep , let’s re-elect Obama so that it can go up the same percentage of 195%+ … to $7.02 per gallon …. and so it goes ..

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Eat the Rich – “Stupid redneck truck and SUV Republican drivers.”

I don’t know if they’re stupid or not, they just need to accept responsibility for their choices in life.

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Obama is a good president. He has delivered gradually increasing oil prices as he said was a good idea.

Good job Mr. President.

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The National Retail Fuel Price Average for Regular gas was $1.84 per gallon in January 2009 when Obama took office. In February, 2012, it is now $3.60 a gallon.

Care to research the global demand for oil/gas then versus now? Or care to point out the difference in gas and other fuel exports between those two times? Or should I just go ahead with a facepalm to show my true feelings for your rhetoric regurgitation effort?

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“Long live Obama and high gas prices! Woohoo!”

As stated before. Keeps the poor folks off the road.

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It’s the speculators that is affecting oil prices. The middle east? Iran? And whateaver “hotspot” is the flavor du jour. Hasn’t the Middle east been the cause numerous times? The FEAR that something was going to happen!These speculators should be arrested for treason! What good comes from fear and manipulating prices? Oh the uncertainty!!! When the hell has there been certainty? Give me a break!

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I wish there was an ignore feature for the trolls/paid shills.

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Godless

It keeps dumb people off the road too. High gas prices are great. Think of the future! Solar, wind, clean energy. No one will need gas in 10 or 15 years.

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Butch: Well done…but you mean the world isn’t flat? I thought it ended only when Americans said it should!

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I thought Dems were the champions of the working man and the poor, but here they seem to be downright gleeful about high gas prices. High gas prices aren’t hurting the rich, folks. It’s the working man that has to fill up his 2002 Taurus to get to work every day. And I don’t think he can afford a Prius.

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High gas prices.

Winning the Future mofo’s. Obama is cremating the republicans in their own oil filled pig sty.

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Dream on, Eat.

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godless: I thought Dems were the champions of the working man and the poor, but here they seem to be downright gleeful about high gas prices

Please PLEASE tell me how you got that impression. Do you not realize that Butch, for example, is making fun of the usual con arguments now that they seem to be in support of governmental takeover as cost control?

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The oil “situation” is really just free market enterprise at it’s best, isn’t it?

Actually I disagree. Energy is unique in that it is the same no matter what the source. If you were the first guy on the block to buy a plasma TV for example, you were the one who benefited from the new technology and paid the higer price for it. Over time, more people buy the technology and the price goes down due to economies of scale, production efficiencies, design improvements, etc. Energy is completely different. The benefits of alternative are spread out to everyone. We all breath the same air, use the same water, pay for the same military, etc. The energy market simply doesn’t recognize the benefits of alternative energy and as a result many view it as too costly while ignoring the costs. And so we continue to fund the terrorists.

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Make sure that people need to understand that the DEMAND also includes the diversion of petrochemicals to make PLASTICS

You’re trying to teach calculus to people who are having a hard time with basic algebra. I wouldn’t even attempt to throw additional variables, such as that, into the conversation just yet. Maybe after they get the understanding of how global supply/demand trumps domestic, then we can introduce other variables into the equation. One must crawl before one can walk.

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Working man can always take the bus if he can’t afford a Prius.

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Talking Head: If the world’s largest consumer of oil also became the world’s largest supplier of oil, would the price of oil drop?

Even if we drill everywhere possible, this will not happen.

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Eat the Rich: Working man can always take the bus if he can’t afford a Prius.

Not in most southern and midwestern areas. Hell, any non-urban area.

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Suburbanites, time to move in town. Sell your polluting cul-de-sac home and get a nice apartment in Buckhead. You’ll like it.

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Mick,

You are kidding, right?

“High gas prices are great.”
“Obama is cremating the republicans in their own oil filled pig sty.”

And more in the previous thread.

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Adam,

“Talking Head: If the world’s largest consumer of oil also became the world’s largest supplier of oil, would the price of oil drop?

Even if we drill everywhere possible, this will not happen.”

Care to back up this claim, Adam? Or is this just another because Adam said so?

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Maybe after they get the understanding of how global supply/demand trumps domestic, then we can introduce other variables into the equation

Let’s try this:

It’s like if Texas suddenly decided they needed tons of oil for the new awesome heavy duty truck with a Confederate flag on it they just built because consumer demand was super high. People are trading in their Prius’ and some are buying for the first time. The truck gets 9 miles per gallon but WHO CARES because it’s a new awesome collector’s item and is the best way to prove your dick is bigger than that guy with the F-150. Suddenly oil demand in Texas is super high. Everyone in every other state gradually and slowly moves to buying the Prius and other hybrid or electric cars, but some still have old cars. We drill in all other 49 states, and yet we can’t keep up with the demand of Texas.

Replace Texas with China and other parts of Asia, and “other 49 states” with all of the U.S. and its waters, and that is what the global market is like.

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Talking Head: Care to back up this claim, Adam? Or is this just another because Adam said so?

If you think that an increase of 11-18% of the world’s oil production is possible purely from U.S. land and waters using the resources currently available or even projected to be available, then you’re kidding yourself. It is not possible to increase our supply from our own land and waters to meet, 100%, the demand of the United States. You are, of course, welcome to show me evidence proving otherwise since your statement to the contrary was made first.

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“If”

Building your case on “If” has never been factually correct.

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“and is the best way to prove your dick is bigger than that guy with the F-150.”

Stay classy Adam

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If the world’s largest consumer of oil also became the world’s largest supplier of oil, would the price of oil drop?

Me thinks so.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2178rank.html

The US is #13 on the list of proven oil reserves. There are only 3 other non-OPEC countries with more proven reserves than the US and they are Canada, Russia, and Kazakhstan. Even if those three joined up with the US, that would only be enough reserves to surpass Saudia Arabia. As long as oil is a resource, it will be controlled by OPEC. The only way the US will become the largest supplier is if we invade and annex each and every OPEC country until they all sign over their oil reserves to us.

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“And as already documented, oil production in the United States has jumped by more than 20 percent in the last five years, while domestic consumption has fallen by more than 2 million barrels a day. Yet despite America pushing on both sides of the supply/demand equation, global oil prices have continued to rise.”

One thing I have heard Gore say, and it’s the same thing I have thought for years, is that the government ought to pursue the discovery of a viable alternative energy source the same way we sought to land on the moon beginning with Kennedy – in a ten year period of time. That to me makes a lot of sense.

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Building your case on “If” has never been factually correct.

Does that imply that you also disagree with Talking Head’s original post since his argument hinged on the same word?

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Brosephus: Does that imply that you also disagree with Talking Head’s original post since his argument hinged on the same word?

Dang! Beat me to it!

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Newt also said if he is elected, he will jump on the roof and blow out the sun. All marriages will be approved to become plural marriages, and Newt will be the first sitting President to get a National Holiday observed by everyone, except minorities, women, teenagers, old people, and the new unions(babies)…..

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Its going to be funny to watch all you liberals trying to explain why Bush was at fault when gas prices went up, but somehow Obama isn’t. Be prepared to defend every last one of your “Bush’s big oil buddies” comments. Let the but but but but spin begin!!!

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If Obama hadn’t put so much effort in to devaluing the dollar, gas wouldn’t be much higher than it was before. That said, additional drilling would help some. Plenty of people were saying about a decade ago that we shouldn’t drill in ANWR because it would take 10 years to make a difference. Then again, not doing QE2 would have made an even bigger and better difference.

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Talking Head
February 24th, 2012
11:45 am

Me thinks so.

Are you saying your original post was factually incorrect?

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RB: Be prepared to defend every last one of your “Bush’s big oil buddies” comments.

Find a single comment that I ever said anything remotely like that. Go ahead. I’m waiting….

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Talking Head: You have a problem of the use of the word if? Did you even read what I said or are you just stuck on what I understand your position to be. Because my argument does not, in fact, hinge on “if.” Show me where, IF (ha) you think otherwise.

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Actually, I suspect that Perry might have a little bit of a point. The beating of the war drums with regard to Iran certainly isn’t helping the price of gasoline at the pump. We can thank Gingrich, Santorum, and Romney for that.

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godless

Suppose we go and explore those areas and find little to nothing. What then? Unless we find the golden lair where all the dinosaurs buried their dead, we’re not going to find enough oil to supply us AND put excess on the market. I just don’t see it happening. Our best bet is to continue to push efficiency standards, make better use of bridge fuels, and commission a “Manhattan Project” type undertaking to find a viable replacement. Until then, we’re simply giving money to OPEC.

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Bush was an oil man and tried to hide that he liked high oil. Obama is open about favoring high oil and doesn’t personally benefit and his buddies don’t either.

I only wish the government had higher gas taxes. That would get more people out of their cars and also keep more oil money at home.

Of course ideally they would just ban oil. But the corrupt people out there (including Obama) won’t go that far.

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What I want to hear is RB try and spin how he’s suddenly for nationalizing the oil industry i.e. SOCIALISM after spending so much time complaining about the government interfering in the free market and personal responsibility.

Go on RB, we’re all waiting.

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Bruno, comparing Jay to that revolting, slime merchant is beyond the pale.

Let’s put it this way, you make a list of the disgusting, abhorrent, degrading things that JB has written or said and I’ll do the same for the repugnant slime merchant.

If you can come up with even a couple of things, I’ll be shocked.

As will be the case if I don’t come up with dozens.

There is NO comparison.

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The beating of the war drums with regard to Iran certainly isn’t helping the price of gasoline at the pump. We can thank Gingrich, Santorum, and Romney for that.

News Flash, CJ–None of the gentleman you just mentioned hold any type of political office. And, if Jay is correct, not one of them has even a snowball’s chance in heck of beating Obama. As such, how can you blame world events on a bunch of broken-sown candidates?? Did you wear out your “Blame Bush” card by any chance??

Obama’s second-term strategy: Blame the previous Republican candidates.

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Gas is so expensive because price agreements are not based on love you neighbor as yourself but how can I get the most out of it. It seems like the USA is one of the smartest countries when it comes to selfish profit. So I assume that the gas price would be at least as high if most of the oil came from the USA.

Watch my video: What Exactly Is Evil About the 1%?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-s3XqbU81k

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An interesting side read on oil

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/americas-getting-more-oil-efficient–but-not-quickly-enough/2012/02/24/gIQAvV6lXR_blog.html

The trouble is that this increase in efficiency hasn’t been fast enough to offset the rising price of oil. The United States might be consuming less and drilling more, but it’s still at the mercy of global forces that affect crude prices everywhere. To take one example, there’s been a lot of hype over North Dakota’s Bakken shale field, which now produces an impressive 500,000 barrels of oil per day. But that’s only about the size of the one-year uptick in Chinese oil consumption between 2010 and 2011.

So even with increased efficiency, the United States is still getting hammered by rising oil prices. One place to see this is in import data. America now imports 15 percent less foreign oil than it did in 2005. Yet prices remain stratospheric, thanks to healthy demand overseas and the tense situation in the Middle East (Libya last year, Iran this year). And so, even with imports falling, the United States still paid more for foreign crude in 2011 — $326.5 billion — than it did in any year save for 2008. Likewise, Americans are driving less, but they still paid $102 billion more for gasoline last year than they did in 2010.

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Is this an illustration of how one stops up his ears to anything and everything an opponent might say?

TC–That’s about all you’re going to get from the Lib crowd here. Today’s first column is a perfect illustration. While Doom made coherent arguments, all the Libs could do was fall over themselves seeing who could come up with the most vile personal criticism of the concerned teacher. High marks to Brosephus for presenting intelligent counter-arguments, but I don’t consider him a Lib. He’s a Con all the way, he just doesn’t know it yet.

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“There is NO comparison.”

I can’t speak to that, as I don’t really listen to Rush (though I do listen to other talk show hosts). But a propagandist in a business suit is still a propagandist. And at least half the time, that is what I feel Jay is (or has become).

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Bruno: but I don’t consider him a Lib. He’s a Con all the way, he just doesn’t know it yet.

Not according to the cheerleaders in the Rabid Right section.

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Bruno

February 24th, 2012
11:56 am
Obama’s second-term strategy: Blame the previous Republican candidates.

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LOL Freaking awesome. I missed CJ’s comment the first time, but you nailed it pretty good there.

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All of you are missing the point. We learned yesterday that the answer to our energy needs is not fossil fuels. It’s algae!

Been driving around all morning looking for a QT to fill up the family truckster with a tank of algae, but I couldn’t ever find an algae pump.

I think I’ve been misled…

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Billings: I will commend the libs finally realizing the fact that there are a lot of outside forces that contribute to the price of gas and oil and that it’s not the president. Just wondering what took so long… actually, I know the answer to that one

The question is: do you now support the media and the Republicans (one and the same now) bashing the President for gas prices in current times?

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RB: You liberals are trying really hard to BE communists without being CALLED communists as if somehow calling it something different will change the outcome.

What a useless rant. Pray tell, how am I “trying to be” a communist RB?

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godless

Not once have I said not to look. I would like to think that, in addition to exploration for new reserves, people would also champion exploration for getting ourselves off of oil as much as possible. We already have CNG powered vehicles, gas turbines for electricity generation, and even diesel engines can be converted to running on vegetable oils. Instead of focusing only on searching for the next fix, I think we should also be searching on a replacement. Imagine how easy it would be to corner the market on an energy source that you find/create.

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From the WSJ:

‘Stupid’ and Oil Prices
Obama’s Forrest Gump analysis of rising gas prices.

“‘The American people aren’t stupid,” thundered President Obama yesterday in Miami, ridiculing Republicans who are blaming him for rising gasoline prices. Let’s hope he’s right, because not even Forrest Gump could believe the logic of what Mr. Obama is trying to sell.

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It’s true enough that oil prices can’t be commanded from the Oval Office, so in that sense Mr. Obama’s disavowal of blame is a rare show of humility in the face of market forces. Would that he showed similar modesty in trying to command the tides of home prices, car sales (”cash for clunkers”), or the production of electric batteries.

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Another suspect—one Mr. Obama doesn’t like to mention—is U.S. monetary policy. Oil is traded in dollars, and its price therefore rises when the value of the dollar falls, all else being equal. The Federal Reserve throughout Mr. Obama’s term has pursued the easiest monetary policy in modern times, expressly to revive the housing market. It has done so with the private support and urging of the White House and through Mr. Obama’s appointees who are now a majority on the Fed’s Board of Governors.

Oil staged its last price surge along with other commodity prices when the Fed revved up its second burst of “quantitative easing” in 2010-2011. Prices stabilized when QE2 ended. But in recent months the Fed has again signaled its commitment to near-zero interest rates first through 2013, and recently through 2014. Commodity prices, including oil, have since begun another surge, and hedge funds have begun to bet on commodity plays again. John Paulson says he’s betting on gold, the ultimate hedge against a falling dollar.

Fed officials and Mr. Obama want to take credit for easy money if stock-market and housing prices rise, but then deny any responsibility if commodity prices rise too, causing food and energy prices to soar for consumers. They can’t have it both ways, as not-so-stupid Americans intuitively understand when they buy groceries or gas. This is the double-edged sword of an economic recovery “built to last” on easy money rather than on sound fiscal and regulatory policies.”

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Glad to know you’re a lot smarter than most of the lib Congresspeople and media at the time….

I wouldn’t necessarily say I’m smarter than anybody else. I just don’t believe the first thing I hear. I choose to use the good googley to research and formulate my own opinions based upon verifiable facts that are available to me at that time. I also reserve the right to adjust my opinions based upon facts that may appear after my initial opinion is formed.

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High oil prices make people walk more so they get less fat. Fat Americans need expensive oil.

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because not even Forrest Gump could believe the logic of what Mr. Obama is trying to sell.

Really? You think a retarded man is a good example of someone who understands, or can understand, all of the reason gas prices are high? I’m sure the point was supposed to be that Obama made it too simple, but that is also stupid.

The person who wrote that article epitomizes the dumb portion of the electorate that the RepubliCONs are counting on. Too bad it won’t fly for most independents.

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“And as already documented, oil production in the United States has jumped by more than 20 percent in the last five years”

Yes. And you might also want to add that its because of all the permits that were issued under the W administration. Certainly isn’t due to Obama who has fought tooth and nail to keep us from exploiting our own resources.

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Has anyone mentioned that we’re a net exporter of gasoline and diesel yet?

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Consumption is down? Locally, maybe. Globally, a tad, but that’s a short-term figure.

World consumption, according to the BP statistical review:
1985 – just under 60 million barrels a day
1990 – around 66 million
1995 – 70 million
2000 – 75 million
2005 – 85 million
2010 – 88 million

It’s true that North American consumption is roughly the same (95: 23.5 million per day; 2010, 23.4), but increased demand overall causes the price to rise. In the same time period, China’s consumption has nearly doubled (from 4.8 million to 9.0); Asian Pacific (not including China or Japan) had increased by another 6 million a day. That means the INCREASE in China/ASPAC consumption is 60% of the total North American consumption.

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But this trend began in the late Bush Administration, which opened up large new areas on and offshore for oil and gas drilling that are now coming on stream

Wait wait wait wait…. hahahahahaha… Are you saying that Bush can take credit for the economy while Obama is in office?

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“The question is: do you now support the media and the Republicans (one and the same now) bashing the President for gas prices in current times?”

Support? No. Agree with? Possibly. It’s all just the politics of the day. I will say that I agree that some of the policies of this administration and its various departments (monetary policy, exploration, etc.) have more affect on the market than the policies of the previous administration.

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F. Sinkwich

February 24th, 2012
12:02 pm

All of you are missing the point. We learned yesterday that the answer to our energy needs is not fossil fuels. It’s algae!

Been driving around all morning looking for a QT to fill up the family truckster with a tank of algae, but I couldn’t ever find an algae pump.
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Yo Stinky: You are late. I know you were waiting til the end of Boortz before you started quoting his show to us, but several other Boortz bobbleheads beat you to it. But you can still be the first to quote Boortz on “Ditzy Debbie G. No one has gotten around to his rant on her yet……..

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According to brocephus Prius drivers are “oil whores”.

What percentage of the Prius is built using plastic?

What lubricates the engine of the Prius?

Is the Prius 100% electric?

jm

Stick to blaming Obama about things. You will not win that debate with me.

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S. Billings — You might want to simply include a paragraph or two of the piece you want us to read, and then a link to it, rather than trying to post an entire news story or opinion piece. Some news operations get very upset when their copy is disseminated without their say-so, and some blogs delete such posts rather than get sued (Free Republic is a good example of that).

Make everyone happy by posting a link, not the entire piece. It’s what all the cool kids are doing.

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Algae as energy was an idea suggested and has been partially implemented by oil companies. It is not a government idea, a Democrat idea, or any of that. The fact that you come out against it, and want to nationalize the oil industry, is QUITE telling.

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“Crier, the point of the column is to demonstrate that contrary to GOP claims, presidents lack the power to control global oil prices. That has become a point of some contention in the current presidential race. I’m sorry if you and Bruno had somehow missed that development, but perhaps some of your fellow bloggers here can bring you up to date if you ask nicely.”

And as I demonstrated gas is cheaper today than it was the day Obama took office in real assests such as silver.

What does Obama have the ability to affect? The currency devaluation that we are going through.

You have more tangible evidence that the dollar is worth less year after year after year and you choose to not address that issue.

But let it be a topic like global warming, and you are all over that, willing to take action regardless of the cost.

If you think things are steep now, just wait til next year. You will be able to swim in gas. You just will not be able to afford it.

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“Stick to blaming Obama about things. You will not win that debate with me.”

A genius. In his own mind.

Bro has no cred.

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Hey Adam. I’ll look up your big oil comments as soon as you tell us all what name you were posting under on this blog during Bush’s term. What was it?

And on cue, the deniers claim that wasn’t the prevailing liberal mantra of the day. Like they forgot about all the liberal comments in support of removing saddam and the forgot about all the ice age hysteria of the 70’s and on and on and on.

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Bro

Keep blaming others for your shortcomings…

It will ease your pain.

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RB from Gwinnett – “And on cue, the deniers claim that wasn’t the prevailing liberal mantra of the day.’

Can’t speak for the libs, but I’m still waiting for you to explain to us your sudden embrace of socialism, lack of personal responsibility, entitlements and government interference in the free market.

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RB: Hey Adam. I’ll look up your big oil comments as soon as you tell us all what name you were posting under on this blog during Bush’s term. What was it?

I wasn’t here then. But you’re welcome to go after the other bloggers who were.

And on cue, the deniers claim that wasn’t the prevailing liberal mantra of the day

Not so. In fact, it WAS one of the things touted. It was misinformed and non factual then, just as it is misinformed and non-factual now. You should be happy the “liberal” media isn’t lying about it this time. Or is it just ok to lie about stuff like this when there’s not a Republican in office?

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Keep blaming others for your shortcomings…

Wouldn’t that mean that I would have to start blaming others first? Unlike you, I don’t blame others for my failures.

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Brosephus™ – Some things simply make you think WTF??

February 24th, 2012
12:25 pm

Keep blaming others for your shortcomings…

Wouldn’t that mean that I would have to start blaming others first? Unlike you, I don’t blame others for my failures.
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Not safe for work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhuKrga3eaU&feature=related

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“What’s a Black White guy supposed to do? ”

Eat more chocolate!

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Big Business and Republican politicians have been cuddling together in bed for many years now. Because of this, Republicans are of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. If you want to know the direction of Republican politics at any given time, just follow the money. Gingrich as President would be the darling on the 1% group and a disaster for the rest of us. Oil is a finite resource and no amount of political spin will produce any more than we already have. We must move either to electric, hydrogen or natural gas power. I don’t hear any Republican politicians saying this.

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JohnnyReb — “I believe the answer will be, the world oil price would go up.”

No, the answer is that other oil-producing nations would increase production to fill the gap.

“Which means, you believe we can only drive the price up, not down. Is that Liberalthink?”

No, that’s Conservathink, which involves making crap up and claiming your political opposition said it and believes it. Which is what you just did.

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JohnnyReb: For all who believe that US oil production going up would not lower our gas prices – please enlighten us on what the world market would do if we stopped producing oil?

Logical fallacy. You cannot make any case about an increase in oil production by proposing we STOP ALL oil production.

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“Whoever keeps watching Fox News after their continued insistence that this is the case.”

Fox News appears to be a favorite target among liberals here. I think MSNBC news could be faulted even more for bias in it opinion shows, but I don’t see conservatives ranting daily about it here. Opinion media is now a fact of life and, if the truth be known, it harkens back to earlier forms of sensationalistic reporting like so-called “yellow journalism” (if you know why it is called that without consulting the Internet, I think Jay will give you free access to this blog for life), But not everything on Fox News (such as Chris Wallace’s Sunday program) or MSNBC News (Meet the Press) is strictly opinion media. So, to me, crying about Fox News means you really don’t have something substantive to add to the conversation at hand.

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The oil companies have something to do with the price also.

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Oil production and refining are now national security issues, and too important to leave in the hands of greedy globalist capitalists. The entire energy sector should be immediately nationalized before these greedy traitors destroy the U.S. economy.

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Towncrier: Fox News appears to be a favorite target among liberals here. I think MSNBC news could be faulted even more for bias in it opinion shows, but I don’t see conservatives ranting daily about it here

1) I was showing you that Fox News is making this case, deliberately, on a daily basis. Gas prices = Obama’s fault, is basically what they say. It’s a lie.
2) MSNBC may not be a favorite target, but Media Matters sure has become that way recently. Conservatives DO argue against media, they just blanket ALL of media as being “liberal” because that is what they have been told to think. When they have a target they do use it. Note the several anti-Obama posts that have no relevance to the topic and/or have no factual basis. Pelosi and Reid are also favorites.

People DO buy the crap. That’s the point I was making.

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I see the Dow is back above 1300 again…that damn Obama! How dare he!!??

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Bruno @11:56: http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2012/02/24/crude-oil-and-gasoline-prices-betting-on-iranian-tensions/

“One factor that’s been driving Brent and WTI up over the last few weeks has been rising tensions with Iran. But why should threats or fears alone affect the price we pay here and now?…’We’re seeing panic buying in Europe and Asia because they’re absolutely convinced that they’re not going to be able to buy Iranian oil or there’s going to be some kind of conflict that disrupts the transport of oil through the Strait of Hormuz…. there is a lot of hoarding in case the worst-case scenario happens. Asian buyers have been buying up West African crude like it’s going out of style.’…Does it make sense for consumers to suffer now just because of something that may or may not happen in the future? If the answer turns out to be no, then this is all just a lot of pain for nothing.”

Yes, threat of war with a major oil supplier drives up gasoline prices. Military action itself, of course, would drive up prices even further. Gingrich and associates are using their megaphones to put public pressure on the Obama administration to take military action against Iran (or to allow Israel to it for us), while simultaneously complaining about the cost of gasoline. The cognitive dissonance is off the charts.

Whether you like them or not, facts are facts.

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Towncrier — “Fox News appears to be a favorite target among liberals here. I think MSNBC news could be faulted even more for bias in it opinion shows, but I don’t see conservatives ranting daily about it here.”

Disagree on several counts.

MSNBC clearly distinguishes between its news programming and its opinion/talk programming.

FNC blurs that distinction, and editorial comments/slanted reporting often make it into ostensibly ’straight’ news reportage. FNC is also slow or resistant to issuing retractions, corrections or apologies for outright errors or fact.

If you haven’t yet seen conservatives ranting about MSNBC here, just stick around.

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**his word, have to find a way to raise gas prices to European levels. I believe he and Barry are doing it.**

If you really believe that – your nutz!!!

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Fred – 12:39

You bad boy!!!!!! That is soooooooooo politically incorrect.

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So the president can’t control oil prices, but he seems to be getting a lot of credit here on Bookman’s blog for the Dow going up.
How can he control one, but not the other?

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Don’t Forget

February 24th, 2012
12:43 pm

I dare you to TRY not to laugh on this one……….

The guy obviously doesn’t watch South Park.
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LOL I couldn’t decide between that one and the south park one.

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**How can he control one, but not the other?**

Easy, if you are a messiah, all things are possible…

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willydoit? : He can’t control either one, but the favorite talking point of the righties is that he is DESTROYING the economy. If the economy is improving, and the DOW is a measure of that, then clearly he’s NOT destroying the economy. That’s what the point is, not that he is MAKING the Dow go up, just that he is not being a DAMN SOCIALIST and keeping it down.

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Fred

WRONG!!!! Just plain wrong!!!

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Adam

February 24th, 2012
12:45 pm

Fred: Hmm, I may have to try that. When is Boortz on?
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8:30-1:00 EST. http://www.boortz.com/ click the listen live button. He’s talking to Cain right now.

The BEST part of the show is between 12:00 and 12:15 when he does a segment with Jamie Dupree.

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“Pay attention, Pea…” – I did. I see 1300 @ your 12:40.

Did you mean 13,000? I think it’s YOU who needs to pay attention.

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“FNC blurs that distinction, and editorial comments/slanted reporting often make it into ostensibly ’straight’ news reportage.”

I think a lot of people would say that this sort of interjection of opinion into news is everywhere. There seems to be no purely objective news reporting these days. And if you know anything about journalism (such as the decisions that lie behind the selection of one story over another and what text is used in headlines), it’s arguable there never was. My point stands.

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Oil drilling permits up LOL……

Adam go check your facts libby boy; drilling has been shut down in the Gulf and Atlantic

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Oh crap, look at the time. I have a date in 18 minutes and I haven’t showered……….. Later.

Adam: If you click the link below, you can stream Boortz but more importantly you can stream Clark Howard. He’s a consumer advocate who is pretty good. Of course if you’ve listened to him for a million years like I have he can get repetitive. He’ll be on after the 1:00PM news break.

http://www.wsbradio.com/news/entertainment/newstalk-wsb-program-schedule/ncjn/

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Everytime i turn around ole Jeb say something that I agree with….whats the world coming to.

Jeb Bush says 2012ers are ‘appealing to people’s fears’

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73242.html#ixzz1nK6CPCC4

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**drilling has been shut down in the Gulf and Atlantic**

I don’t think that’s true but how fast we forget that nasty bp oil spill?

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US gasoline prices are a fair gauge of the level of economic freedom, or alternatively the level of constrictive control of the economy.

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Adam

February 24th, 2012
11:27 am
godless: I thought Dems were the champions of the working man and the poor, but here they seem to be downright gleeful about high gas prices

Please PLEASE tell me how you got that impression. Do you not realize that Butch, for example, is making fun of the usual con arguments now that they seem to be in support of governmental takeover as cost control?
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Do you not see Eat the Rich’s nearly orgasmic joy about rising prices?

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“Adam go check your facts libby boy; drilling has been shut down in the Gulf and Atlantic”

Not this crap again.

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“Conservatives DO argue against media, they just blanket ALL of media as being “liberal” because that is what they have been told to think.”

I happen to think that there is a liberal bias to most of the mainstream media and it’s not because that is what I have been told to think. I believe there is clear evidence to support that idea. Is it an overwhelming bias? I think not. Would it be were the appearance of objectivity not so necessary? I can’t say.

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Mick…you know as well as I that Obama does not like the oil inductry and will do whatever he can to force alternative energy. Alternative energy is a very good thing and should be supported but not at the expense of the oil industry through excessive governmental regulation, delays……all to keep his tree hugger support base happy

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Towncrier — “I think a lot of people would say that this sort of interjection of opinion into news is everywhere.”

FNCs been caught several times misrepresenting ‘misbehaving’ Republicans as Democrats (Congressman Mark Foley and Governor Mark Sanford were prime examples); FNC rarely, if ever, issues corrections or retractions. Unintentional and accidental mistakes of that nature are certainly possible, but IMO refusing or failing to *correct* such mistakes is willful.

“There seems to be no purely objective news reporting these days. And if you know anything about journalism (such as the decisions that lie behind the selection of one story over another and what text is used in headlines),”

I do.

“it’s arguable there never was.”

Fatalism isn’t a very good excuse for not bothering to even *try* to be objective.

“My point stands.”

I see your point as mere apologetics, but I can certainly understand what might motivate you to engage in it.

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JAY,

My bad, BO is not the only one concered about screwing us……the entire electorate and GOP contestants are no different..

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Well, when we get a good Republican in the White House then pretty soon we’ll have a oil well every couple miles and we’ll be able to use pocket change to fill up our pickups. Right now I need to use one of my paydays each month to fill up my Ford F-450. I say drill here, drill now, and execute anybody that objects. Besides, my buddy Jim Earl claims a little oil in drinking water gives it a certain piquant taste that people find refreshing. I don’t know what that means but it sounds awful good.

Anyhow, I been busting my hump to get you ready to guzzle beer and swap weird music tonight. Whoever Bookman puts on to lead off is bound to be somebody most of us never heard of but there’ll always be a couple a-holes that will claim they went to see them in concert and liked them, tho their memory is kinda fuzzy on account of the buzz from the marijuana and cocaine and meth and the group sex they had in the audience while they was listening.

Have a good Friday everybody.

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JOE,

Agreed. Half truths to the left of me, half-truths to the right so I’m stuck in the middle with you…don’t know what it is I should do……

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Joe, I believe he had WMD’s and so did most of the worlds intel groups. And bill Clinton too.

Do you think the Kurds he gassed with WMD’s thought he had them too?

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If we could harness all the bluster of Newt and Rickie we’d have enough wind power to supply electircity for the whole nation.

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…opening up federal lands and waters…

Tell, the corporate parasites and their flunkies like Rick Perry, et al, to keep their stinking freeloading hands off of OUR – as in we the people, the former sovereigns of this nation – natural resources and assets.

That land and everything therein belongs to US.

No more free rides, give aways and hand outs to these mooches…

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drilling has been shut down in the Gulf and Atlantic

Not Intended To Be a Factual Statement.

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“Hopefully, electric cars will be all the rage…”

Too bad we can’t build more power plants to supply affordable electricity to charge those electric cars.

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willy

Solar power, the whole vehicle should be a solar panel…

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That Black Guy: Do you not see Eat the Rich’s nearly orgasmic joy about rising prices?

Yes, but did you see any of his OTHER comments? He’s doing it as bait. He’s not serious.

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“I tend to agree. I find it odd, however, that the same is not true of the Kennedys. It still amazes me how Edward was able to escape the consequences of Chappaquiddick like he did. What is it about the American voter that finds electing members of the same family over years and years appealing? Is it a vestige of royalty in days past?”

Most democrat voters don’t have morals when it comes to their elected officials…now if Edward would have cut down a tree in a national forest! Maybe then he would have been voted out.

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“I happen to think that there is a liberal bias to most of the mainstream media”

Ok, fair enough…then do what no one else has ever been able to do: collect a representative sample of STRAIGHT NEWS stories that contain “liberal bias” and post them here.

Everytime we ask that, we get opinion pieces or nothing. Maybe you can do better.

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Towncrier: I happen to think that there is a liberal bias to most of the mainstream media and it’s not because that is what I have been told to think. I believe there is clear evidence to support that idea.

There’s actually evidence to support the opposite.

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“Solar power, the whole vehicle should be a solar panel…”
…and should run on rainbows and dreams too!

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Stevie: I read where BO’s strategy is to tell us to grin and bear it, green technology, and DEFLECT blame per WH staff. Please enlighten me as to how DEFLECTING the blame and relying on technology that is at least 10 years from mainstream is a plan?

First, explain to me how he deflected blame. To deflect blame first one has to be legitimately blamed.

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Fatalism isn’t a very good excuse for not bothering to even *try* to be objective.”

Let me get this straight: some instances of malfeasance (even if true) means therefore one is not even trying to be objective. Funny, that strikes me as being ironically fatalistic. And are you hereby going on record saying that none of the other networks have not deliberately misrepresented the truth at times?

“I see your point as mere apologetics, but I can certainly understand what might motivate you to engage in it.”

Immaterial.

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Normal – “RB,
From Wiki…not just dinosaurs…”

Don’t confuse him. In RB’s world the earth is only 6,000 years old, Pangea never existed, and the most arid parts of our planet at no time whatsoever held vegitation or moisture.

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Mick – There have never been 110k innoicent Iraqi’a in recent history.

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Dear Fred @ 1:18, good afternoon, Hong Kong is pretty close to the equivalent of US 1880-1900, the fastest growth period in the US prior to Reagan.

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I suspect if a peanut butter sandwich were to get the republican nomination and thereafter cruise to election, the prospect of unleashed oil speculators would drive the cost down.

While I’d agree that a peanut butter sandwich looks much better as a prospect as opposed to the way the GOP candidates have presented themselves, I don’t think a peanut butter sandwich would get the nod from the Electoral College. There is also the whole Constitutional requirements and such. That, however, is a truly laughable idea.

Uncontrolled capitalism works miracles

And so does ExLax. It seems like both end up leaving people hurting and having to clean up piles and piles of sh*t.

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Doggone/GA – “The deserts of today were not always deserts.”

Don’t argue with RB, he still belives people rode dinosaurs and nationalizing the oil industry is a good thing.

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ragnar danneskjold

February 24th, 2012
1:19 pm

Dear Fred @ 1:18, good afternoon, Hong Kong is pretty close to the equivalent of US 1880-1900, the fastest growth period in the US prior to Reagan.
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Like I said, you love’s you some slavery and forced/coerced child labor don’t you? Unsafe work conditions, uncontrolled pollution, rape of natural resources, exploitation of the lower class (there being NO middle class) ect………. yup, the good old days…..

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Congrat Willy at least you do realize that what you said pertains to both sides of the aisle even if you portray it as one sided…….

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Fred – “yup, the good old days…..”

What, you missed rags in the last blog? He thinks that employers should be able to discriminate against anyone they want to.

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Towncrier: And are you hereby going on record saying that none of the other networks have not deliberately misrepresented the truth at times?

Dont’ apologize for Fox News. They deliberately misrepresent the truth on a regular basis ON PURPOSE. It’s a well established pattern. Other networks do not even come close to that kind of thing, even if you can find the occasional deliberate lie.

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“Congrat Willy at least you do realize that what you said pertains to both sides of the aisle even if you portray it as one sided…….”

You are correct…They BOTH suck!

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Is there seriously questions about where the oil below the sand appeared? Seriously? Oh wait, I remember, the world was “create” just a few years back exactly like it is today.

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SEVEN states attorney generals filed suit today on Obama’s mandate that insurance companies provide contraceptives free of charge.

I told you the contraceptive thing was not over. Obama cannot do what he stood and stated was the solution to the Catholic birth control issue. He is not a king, not a dicatator. He can’t simply tell a publically held company what to do. And, his right hand girl can’t run and write it into Obamacare afterward and get away with it. That in itself is a problem with Obamacare, it gives to much control to the secretary.

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Keep – “Is there seriously questions about where the oil below the sand appeared? Seriously?”

Yes, RB asked it. I believe it was right after he accused me of being foolish. Ironic isn’t it?

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Ahhhhh Newt. He may make it all the way to the convention, but that’s one hot-air balloon that ain’t gettin’ very far off the ground!

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Towncrier: To the extent there is bias, it will therefore tend to be subtle (except in unguarded moments).

Are you trying to say all these journalists are either trained or smart enough to figure out how to work in subliminals without being seen as biased, except by maybe the smart people over at Fox News who have it all figured out that everyone ELSE is liberal media?

If there is bias, my bet is that most of those trying to be objective are genuine, and do not introduce bias on purpose.

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RB — “Joe, I believe he had WMD’s”

And you were wrong.

“and so did most of the worlds intel groups.”

And yet some of those nations refrained from joining us in our adventure. Could it be because the intel wasn’t as persuasive as was claimed? After all, we predicated the invasion on *knowing where the weapons were,* yet after the invasion, we were treated to the excuse of ‘we’ve got an awful lot of places to search.’

Any of those places pan out? No? Guess that intel was wrong, then.

“And bill Clinton too.”

Once again, I didn’t vote for Bill Clinton either time.

“Do you think the Kurds he gassed with WMD’s thought he had them too?”

If you’re going to predicate an invasion in 2003 on weapons Saddam Hussein used in the mid-1980s and that we had already policed up during Desert Storm, then you’re more desperate than I thought. (laughing)

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GS: You know what? You’re right. Obama is to blame for high gas prices. It’s all his fault and because of this one thing, I will now vote for whoever the Republican is. Hallelujah! I have SEEEEEEEEEN the liiiight!

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“Dont’ apologize for Fox News. They deliberately misrepresent the truth on a regular basis ON PURPOSE. It’s a well established pattern.”

I don’t get cable, so I no longer watch Fox News. How does calling attention to rants (such as yours now) about Fox News translate into apologizing for it? You want to know why I generally couldn’t stomach watching it – because of the incessant redundancy of its news coverage. It was like were playing this looping reel of coverage – the same 8 to 10 stories every hour. I almost would rather be waterboarded. To me, that’s a legitimate criticism of Fox News. But these other complaints strike me as little more than not liking an opposing view of things (as in their opinion shows like Hannity’s).

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“He is not a king, not a dicatator.”

No, he is “The One” “Messiah”

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“The evidence I speak of is less direct”

Or in other words, you can’t provide any examples either. Why am I not surprised?

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JHM – Come on now, let’s not bring him into this. I mean, what did he do besides visit a poor, misguided girl and try to save her soul? … You mean he was having relations with those girls? Well, they must have gotten married first, maybe he became one of them Mormons or something? … No? But there has to be some explanation. He stands for truth, and family values, and Christian morals. He wouldn’t visit hookers to do what hookers do.

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Towncrier — “Let me get this straight: some instances of malfeasance (even if true) means therefore one is not even trying to be objective.”

No, you don’t have that straight. *Giving up* on trying to be objective, either because it’s difficult, it’s not historically supported or for whatever reason means that one’s not even trying.

“Funny, that strikes me as being ironically fatalistic.”

Good, because that’s neither what I said or thought.

“And are you hereby going on record saying that none of the other networks have not deliberately misrepresented the truth at times?”

Didn’t say it, didn’t think it, didn’t defend the practice. However, FNC has a problem with *correcting* and or *retracting* its own errors. Other networks and news operations correct themselves *much* more readily than does FNC.

“Immaterial.”

Unsurprising.

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“Other networks do not even come close to that kind of thing, even if you can find the occasional deliberate lie.”

Umm. Yes they do. I don’t see much of a difference between Fox’s hard news with Brett Bair and Shepard Smith as with the hard news of other channels except that Dianne Sawyer doesn’t do a very good job of hiding her bias. As do some of the lesser anchors at NBC. Now if you’re talking about Oreilly or Hannity well of course that’s biased. Biased just like Chris Matthews at MSNBC and other shows like that. When Terry Moran of ABC news said that Obama “lowered himself” by taking on the job of the U.S. presidency do you think she wasn’t biased? When several network news programs are showing a black armed protestor at a tea party rally but they are blurbing out his arms as well as his face to avoid showing a black man do you honestly think that’s honest reporting. They did that because a black man at a tea party rally didn’t fit in with the stereotype they wanted to portray about a lot of ticked off angry white men with guns. And how much of the rioting did or horrible signage of the OWS protestors did the networks or MSNBC or CNN show? Not much at all. They tried to whitewash the nasty side of the OWS protestors. Does Dan Rather with bogus docs on W not raise an eyebrow?

Lets look at oil Adam. When oil hit this price 4 years ago under W $4.58 a gallon there were 59 stories that day when it hit this average high. How many stories were there yesterday about this new high under O? 21 according to Brent Bozell at the media research center. Not only is the bias obvious. It is empirically measurable.

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Willydoit — “Messing around on your old lady and letting a chick drown in your car while you sleep off a hangover are two different things.”

I bet if you’d asked Newt about that back in 1998, he’d have said there was little or no difference between the two. Of course, that was before anyone knew about Callista.

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Doom: Lets look at oil Adam. When oil hit this price 4 years ago under W $4.58 a gallon there were 59 stories that day when it hit this average high. How many stories were there yesterday about this new high under O? 21 according to Brent Bozell at the media research center. Not only is the bias obvious. It is empirically measurable.

That does not show current bias, it shows that the media knows better than to lie now. Well, some of them, anyway.

As for outright lies and deliberate misinformation, yes it is a FACT that Fox does this more often than other networks, by a longshot! You can’t even come close to finding an equivalent source anywhere else. And before you insist that I prove a negative, remember you yourself first insisted on the positive form, that the other networks DO have lies and misinformation on purpose and consistently. Show me a single network that does this as much as Fox News and I’ll buy you a beer. And not that cheap stuff either.

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Thulsa – Good you’re here. Can you take a stab at explaining, from below, how sex/sexual orientation have nothing to do with what goes on in the bedroom? I mean, I’m very curious as to how that is? I asked you a couple of times below, and all you said was I should drop the hyperbole and the bumper sticker slogans, but I want a real answer.

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They BOTH

Damn bro!!! That one’s bookmarked now.

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Poor JOEL RAY THOMAS, no one will hear him unless his yells.

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Joe Cool – these fights over Obamacare, contraception, etc. might be the last stand for States Rights. So I don’t agree it’s money wasted. If the court does not overturn Obamacare or Republicans cannot repeal it legislatively, things will get very interesting. There is a huge portion, perhaps not the majority, but enough to draw world attention that will not set idly by of that outcome.

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Bro

Check out SMV…….. Stanley Clark, Marcus Miller and Victor Wooten………. All great individual artists on their own, but oh the magic when they play together

They are jazz guys but surely now how to funk it up with the BEST in the world

This one is SICKKKKKKK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHF9gDC8ACI&feature=related

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Adam:

Just like good little liberal. Provide absolutly no examples that FOX “lies”….

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Thulsa Doom:

Great analogy but I would probably list FOX as they list themselves. Fair and balanced becuase they do have quite a few liberals on….

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ragnar

Maybe the truth does burn, I’m patiently waiting for you to come up with something that reeks of the truth…

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GS: But I am just sure all those claiming that President Obama is not to blame for gas prices as I do

Your word usage leads me, even now, to think this is saying you DO blame him. If that’s not what you meant, then ok. I accept that. But your word usage here says otherwise.

I was not on this blog, or any others, during Bush’s time in office. So your point does not apply to me.

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One of the sources of the problem is that American oil producers sell their products overseas for higher profits. That’s the way they do business.

Now if Obama, or the next president, decided to push for an export tax on them, equal to or higher than their margins, they would have little choice but to sell it here, or lose money.

The prospect alone of losing money probably makes those oil folks want to puke, so we’d be the happy recipients of higher volumes of fuel, and at significantly lower prices.

The government would still be happy to collect the new higher revenues if they stubbornly persisted to sell overseas, and action taken to drastically reduce domestic production to artificialy maintain higher local prices could just as eagerly be welcomed by the Justice Department (not Holder, he is a puppet), or the SEC. Once more the government and the working populace would be happy.

It seems like a win-win situation for the consumer.

Therefore, do not count on any such action being taken by the current administration.

They want you to fly a kite in a thunderstorm to power all these electric cars that they say are coming.

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“I have in another post alluded to the kinds of indirect evidence that lead me to conclude it is true.”

If the bias does not show up in the actual news reports, then “indirect evidence” is evidence of NOTHING.

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As for outright lies and deliberate misinformation, yes it is a FACT that Fox does this more often than other networks, by a longshot!

Adam,

Go to media research center. You can read all day long about examples of liberal media bias. We already know Hannity and Oreilly tilt con. So what?

But show me where a Fox anchor such as a Brett Bair has gone out of his way to influence a presidential election with fake documents against the candidate of the D party? Can you show me something that a Fox anchor has done that even comes close to approaching that sort of eggregious behavior? You can’t even come close.

When an ABC anchor like Terry Moran says Obama lowered himself into becoming potus can you honestly say that’s not crazy bias?

In the same way that you’ve supposedly seen all sorts of inaccuracies on Fox news I’ve seen the same in regular hard news on the other channels. I understand your criticism of Hannity, Oreilly, but can you show me extreme examples of hard news bias by Shep Smith or Brett bair?

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Yet gas is approaching $5/ gallon under this president. Just like in absolutely everything else, it’s not his fault and there is nothing he can do about it. No other president EVER has had to deal with what he has had to deal with.

Poor Obama. It must be sad to be President and have absolutely no ability to lead.

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Joseph — “No Adam. Do your homework and prove to us there not….”

One doesn’t prove a negative.

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Bud Wiser – “They want you to fly a kite in a thunderstorm to power all these electric cars that they say are coming.”

Hey Bud, I hate to tell you this, but electric cars are already a reality.

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Jason

February 24th, 2012
1:58 pm

Hannity has schooled you well grasshopper

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Joseph
We are still waiting on the tape that shows Obama did not want to give the attack on bin ladin, this was said by 3 times college drop out Sean Hannity, Fox loves to feed their bigots and racist audience red meat.

Fox news where rep go to bash the Presidents of the United States 24 hours a day, this station is America true terrorist.

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JOE COOL…Not a Hannity fan. But from what I see you seem to spout the dem talking points fairly well.

But I guess you do all your own independent research.

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Jason – “No other president EVER has had to deal with what he has had to deal with. ”

Actually it should read “No other President since the Great Depression has had to deal with what Obama has had to deal with.”

Unless of course you can cite the last time the credit market imploded to the extent of dragging the global economy down with it and which president was in office at the time. Go ahead, we can wait for the links.

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Jason

February 24th, 2012
2:02 pm

Such as??? I’ll wait.

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Oh, and Jay, why would the oil companies, under the current setup of capacity and production, have to have … the incentive to look for it and drill for it… with such a voracity as you imply?

What they are shipping overseas would that drive to look and drill down, allowing much more detailed and environmentally safe investigations into such, another ‘win’ for the leftist crowd.

The consumers win, the tree huggers win, and the oil companies still make money, albeit at not such obscene rates as they do now.

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Jason:

Excellent observation… Libs are fruits beyond repair…

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One of the sources of the problem is that American oil producers sell their products overseas for higher profits. That’s the way they do business.

The prospect alone of losing money probably makes those oil folks want to puke, so we’d be the happy recipients of higher volumes of fuel, and at significantly lower prices.

Sounds like government interference in the free market. That does not sound like a very conservative ideal to me. Seems that Obama is out conserving the conservatives by not interfering with the free market. Maybe that’s why there’s so much hatred for Obama by some on the political Right. That dude exhibits more real conservatism than many could ever imagine.

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…we would agree with your analogy…

How can anyone give credence to a man – and his imaginary colleagues – who can’t even use the correct pronoun?

Does he have so little belief in his own convictions that he feels compelled to make up allies?

We believe so.

LOL…

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Jason

Maybe you should go back and read Bud Wiser’s posts. Maybe you can begin to grasp what Obama would need to do. Then ask yourself, is he a better conservative than you because he is not doing those very things that you seem to want him to do.

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NEW YORK, Feb 24 (Reuters) – The number of rigs drilling for natural gas in the United States fell for the seventh straight week this week as producers continued a slow dry gas drilling operations in the face of low prices.

Record-high supplies and weak demand during one of the mildest winters on record helped drive gas pries to 10-year lows in January, prompting several producers to cut back.

Elect me and I’ll raise gas prices so our corporations can be profitable.

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http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/exhibit-2-17-rasmussen-reports-campaign-2008-bias

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Joseph

Research it yourself, I did just to make sure I heard this idiot correctly, that is the trouble with you right wing nuts, Hannity and Carl Rowe can tell you Obama haters anything and its the law.
I guess that is why hannity and sara can continue to make their cool 200 millions off you mis infomed haters because they know you are not going to research anything.

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Bill moyer is intelligent and progressive. You guys are perpetually hung up on this libs thing, like it is some sort of species? I liked william f. buckley, barry goldwater, those are true conservative with intelligence. The rest? Trying to appeal to the lowest denominator. Oh and don’t wet your pants, dan rather was a great reporter…

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Doom: I see the problem. I’m talking about lies and deliberate misinformation, and you’re talking about plain bias. I concede most outlets have some bias, but I hardly see many major news outlets with liberal leaning bias (unless you mean reporting factual information). MSNBC does, on its opinion shows, for sure. CNN leans conservative, as does ABC. The rest are mostly neutral, and if any bias is there it’s not with a national political agenda, or on purpose, as it clearly is with Fox News. Do you get my point?

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Huge example of media bias that liberal simply can’t understand…

http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/journalists-denying-liberal-bias-part-one

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Joseph

It would help your cause tremendously to show media bias if you used an unbiased, impartial source to point to that bias. I don’t know about many others here, but that link you posted at 2:03 has less credibility than a wooden nickel sitting atop a termite mound. When you go to find out about a group and read this, amongst other things, on their about us page, it makes a real thinking person wonder if they’re being unbiased or whether they have an ax to grind.

http://www.mrc.org/static/about-us

The Media Research Center Celebrates 25 Years of Fighting Liberal Media Bias!

We’re grateful to our fans, grassroots supporters, and donors for allowing us to fight liberal media bias for a quarter century. Your passion for our cause has helped us achieve extraordinary success in shaping public opinion. Here’s to the next 25 years of forcing the media to “Tell the Truth!”

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Adam:

Again show proof of an actual lie!!!!

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Adam – The way I’m seeing it, if you’re looking at CNN and claiming it is conservative leaning, and I look at it and think it is liberal leaning. And we both concede that Fox is conservative and MSNBC is liberal, then CNN is probably somewhere in the middle, and if both of us are dissatisfied with it, then they’re probably doing a good job. (And obviously, I’m extrapolating from the two of us, to conservatives and liberals everywhere).

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Provide absolutly (sic) no examples that FOX “lies”….

This garbage, AGAIN?!

Are you truly contending that there are not many, many, many examples???

ABC- CORPORATE
NBC- CORPORATE
CBS- CORPORATE
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CNN- CORPORATE

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Our reliance on foreign oil is the lowest in 16years.

The faster we get to $8 gallon oil, the faster we switch energy sources.

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Butch – That’s worser! Claiming an edumacation from Utah (them backwards, un-Christian Mormons) is better than a good gubmit edumacation from Georgia is just wrong. Facts is facts man. Georgia is way more better than Utah.

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yes, it’s me. are you there? say hi to charlie.

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Bro – Its all good. I just thought it was cold to point out a truth to somebody when that truth could possibly spark a mental breakdown.

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Last year for the first time ever, fuel became the top export of the US— the big refineries shipped 117 million gallons of gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel PER DAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. Suddenly, fuel exports are bigger in dollar value than the foreign sales of American aircraft, agriculture, or any other product. We consumers whom are dependent on those fuels have been soaked in the past year by gas prices that averaged $3.52 per gallon— a record high!. This price shock has given the GOP and other Big Oil Puppets an excuse to scream endlessly about the urgent need to “build that pipeline”— or the mantra, “drill here, drill now!”. These ranters don’t mention Big Oils control and manipulation of our gasoline supply for there own profit. Refiners refuse to reveal how much they profit from exporting fuel — the more they send overseas, the LESS there is at home,thus creating an excuse to jack up prices. The XL pipeline coupled with “drill here, drill now” mentality, will not lower domestic fuel prices, but enhance the profits enjoyed by Big Oil. What a scam!.

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Thulsa – So, we ignoring me? Or did you not see my post directed at you? Or are you just not going to provide an answer?

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(ir)Rational: Hmm. What shows and personalities are you referring to when you say you see CNN as liberal leaning?

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Butch – Considering you’re retired now, I doubt I could find statistics for when you were in school (did they keep them on stone tablets that you chiseled on?), but it actually appears that Utah might have slipped a little lower than Georgia in the latest rankings.

http://www.edweek.org/media/ew/qc/2011/QualityCounts2011_PressRelease.pdf

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RB: The deserts werent always deserts? What?!!!! You mean climate change happened before all these greedy oil companies forced us to burn all this fossil fuel? Amazing!!

Oh Lord. Way to deflect and move the goal posts.

Now how about answering to your original incorrect idea that oil isn’t from fossils? Care to give that one a go? I know it is hard to admit fault, but trust me it is something that is a sign of strength, not weakness.

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Doom

I’m not arguing that there is no liberal bias. My point is that, if you want to prove that to me, don’t cite a group that has the appearance of bias themselves. Pointing directly to the polls would be far better than directing someone to a site that looks like a conservative media attack group. Appearances have an effect on an argument whether it’s an intended effect or not.

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(ir)Rational

February 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
Thulsa – So, we ignoring me?

Yep. Pretty much. When you start off with the nonsensical rhetoric that you displayed at the beginning of the day you don’t warrant much of my attention. If you have a reasoned argument then I’ll listen to you. If you don’t I won’t.

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Thulsa – Good to know.

Everyone – Thulsa has a policy that if you present a question he can’t argue that goes against what he thinks, he ignores you, and calls it “nonsensical rhetoric.” Just thought I would put that out there so everyone could know.

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It’s the DOLLAR stupid!

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Butch Cassidy – 2:13

Wow!!! And, I’ll bet you’re a great Mormon too.

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HDB

February 24th, 2012
1:58 pm

JohnnyReb

February 24th, 2012
1:52 pm

So….to expand on something that the states already have in force, in your eyes, is an overreach?? Actually, one could invoke the Commerce Clause to qualify such an expansion….and the 14th Amendment – equal protection………

There’re alternative ways to approach this, you know……..
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Oh the dreaded Commerce Clause! I agree that particular piece of law and the court decisions have played a large part in putting progressive causes into place and wipping out states rights. It has too many unintended consquences.

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If the evidence presented by a person or entity is factually true, however excessive their bias may be, it is illogical to discount it on that account.

So, if there was a report that tied specific crimes to minorities and was cited from Stormfront dot org, you would not find reason to discount it based on the source?

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Well JAY:

There’s always this !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5iypuYl4E0

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Who would have thought this dude was in the tank for the “liberal media”?

‘The whole idea of the ‘liberal media’ was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’”

Bill Kristol

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Bro – Nope, there is definitely no reason to discount that information based off the source. They wouldn’t lie.

Thulsa – You said you didn’t think it had anything to do with what they do in the bedroom. You said that was just a “bumper sticker slogan” that I was using. I’m simply asking you to explain how sex/sexual orientation/sexual preferences have nothing to do with sex.

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Doom: Or look at last night’s debate and all the social questions about contraceptives.

Are you really blaming the liberal media for bringing this issue to the forefront?

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“Or look at last night’s debate and all the social questions about contraceptives”

And what, exactly, does that have to do with NEWS bias?

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Doggone/GA

February 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
“I happen to think that there is a liberal bias to most of the mainstream media”

Ok, fair enough…then do what no one else has ever been able to do: collect a representative sample of STRAIGHT NEWS stories that contain “liberal bias” and post them here.

Everytime we ask that, we get opinion pieces or nothing. Maybe you can do better.

Can NOT reporting on a story or topic be considered bias?

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(ir)Rational

Thanks for reaffirming my belief in the honesty of people.

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carlosgv – “Wow!!! And, I’ll bet you’re a great Mormon too.”

Lutheran actually. Comes from being born in Asheville, NC to parents who grew up in Northern Montana. You couldn’t pay me enough to join “The Church”.

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(ir)Rational – Butch – Considering you’re retired now, I doubt I could find statistics for when you were in school (did they keep them on stone tablets that you chiseled on?)”

LOL, Come on man, I’m only 48, I’m not dead!

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I’m saying in the great scheme of things the social stuff like the controversy over birth control is a silly waste of time. A question like that in a presidential debate is just plain dumb.

While I agree, I do not think the Republican base and some of the candidates agree with you.

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Butch – You still got 21 on me. You was probably done with college before I was out of diapers. Having said that, I grew up as a Lutheran also. Something about having 99.99% of the family tree on one side coming from Bavaria.

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“So, if there was a report that tied specific crimes to minorities and was cited from Stormfront dot org, you would not find reason to discount it based on the source?”

I don’t know what Stormfront is – a racist site? A report is a conclusion from factual evidence, not the evidence itself. If all they had were such “reports,” then yeah…I would tend to discount the site as a source of information.

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(ir)Rational – “Something about having 99.99% of the family tree on one side coming from Bavaria.”

Yep, that would definitely do it.

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Bro,

If stormfront gets its info from the FBI uniform crime stats or the national crime victim survey then their infor is for real no matter if they are a hate site. I’ve cited articles from Huff Post on here several times even though I think its a lib site. The point about network news is that they decide what stories are to be covered. And if you cover stories that give an edge or bias to a liberal point of view then you are injecting your bias into the news. Same with con news. Fox news covers some stories it deems important that the network news will not cover thus giving an edge and of course bias to hannity, oreilly, etc. But its hard news is mostly the same stories as the network news and not much if any bias that I can see there.

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Boortz equals the conservative view vs Jay’s liberal view

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Towncrier

Without putting words into Bro’s mouth, I think he was using Storm Front as an EXTREME example to say that certain sources can lead people to be tentative to the “facts” and “stats” they provide………

Always remember and this goes for all sides………

“Figures do not lie, but liars figure”………… Mark Twain

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Bro – No problem. I mean, who would expect a group of guys who idolize another group of guys who dress in white robes and hoods to lie about minorities?

Robert Byrd, Bill Clinton’s senator mentor in Arkansas was a former kkk member if I remember correctly, I think Al Gore’s father was a segregationist, Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black …

Dems do love they KKK members they do!

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“Remember when John King asked Rick Perry a question about the death penalty in texas and asked how he sleeps at night? Now do you guys really think that a network news panelist would ask a liberal candidate like Obama a question about abortion and then ask how do you sleep at night?”

Good example, Thulsa. Everyone in the world has bias. It’s just that an objective presentation of things was supposed to guide journalism.

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Rush played an interesting soundbite today of Bozo giving a speech before the Illinois state senate in 2002. Seems that when a women gets an abortion and the abortion is not successful, she is forced to either carry the baby to term or have another abortion. Bozo is arguing that the woman has the right to terminate the baby’s life, just because the mother does not want the infant, even when the child is a living and breathing human being outside the womb and he is also stating that the presence of another doctor would be required if this were the case. I remember that being called infanticide…… just a fancy name for murder. This is not partial birth abortion, this is advocating the killing of a baby outside of the womb because the mother just doesn’t want the child. Wow.

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Towncrier

Yeah, Stormfront is the main site for neo-Nazi groups. You will find all kinds of reports, testimonies, and news links about the bad things that minorities do. I can’t answer for anybody else, but I tend to question information from any group that has the appearance of obvious bias when reporting on something. I wouldn’t go to Stormfront for statistics involving minorities just as I wouldn’t go the the National Democratic Party website to look for statistics on conservative things.

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I’m still waiting for Obama to unveil his magic fairy dust for Tractors, Semis, Combines and ships to run on…oh yea guess what you can kiss plastic goodbye also…and cosmetics. This idiot president thinks Gasoline is the only use for crude oil. Transportation only accounts for 17% of fossil fuel consumption. Think gas is high?… wait till you see what food prices are going to do this summer if crude keeps going up….if this was a Republican with this crap record of nation killing the liberal media would be calling to impeach him.

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They BOTH @ 3:02

Thanks. Much better stated than I did.

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“It’s just that an objective presentation of things was supposed to guide journalism”

You still have not provided any NEWS stories that show liberal bias. A panelist on a debate is not reporting the news.

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Irational,

hell if you wanna poke fun at me I’m cool with that. Just make it funny and I’ll even laugh at it. That dadgum Butch Cassidy does it to me all the time and I just can’t help but laugh at it.

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Amvet,
Thanks for missing the whole point, however you want to characterize him, he is the opposing view of Jay. I hope you have enough sense to understand that. I would love to see that debate in person, Jay would not do it, cause he would be put to shame……………………

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doom

You seem to be a pretty smart cookie, why do you buy into all the b.s.? Maybe it’s just that all cons are oddballs who really don’t fit in to well with the regular normal type folk. Paranoia, conspiracy behind every corner, lurking and ready to snatch your free will. My advice to you is – chill, party and make love, you’ll feel the illumination!! Have a great friday…

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Woo Hoo! rags used a first person singular pronoun!

We approve.

To a philosopher all news, as it is called, is gossip, and they who edit and read it are old women over their tea. ~Henry David Thoreau

In the case of news, we should always wait for the sacrament of confirmation. ~Voltaire

The only gossip I’m interested in is things from the Weekly World News – ‘Woman’s bra bursts, 11 injured’. That kind of thing. ~Johnny Depp

I do not like to get the news, because there has never been an era when so many things were going so right for so many of the wrong persons. ~Ogden Nash

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Just saying, and you never will see that debate.

But as you have no clue as to why, the joke is on you. And your cowardly hero…

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Bosch – I have no soul. I’m a Conservative remember? Seriously though, only on social issues. Plus, I find it amusing to poke at people (see my last post). And I still approach them from a conservative standpoint. I simply approach them as a true conservative, not as one who hides behind religion to argue points which call for more government instead of less.

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My advice to you is – chill, party and make love, you’ll feel the illumination!!

Mick,

I think I’ll take that advice. I was going to anyway.

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Thulsa – There is a difference between Huffington Post and a white supremacist group.

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Conservatives are not cool.

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Towncrier

Since my occupation is law enforcement related, I check things like that out from time to time. Many a time, I’ve learned far more than I ever wanted to, but it’s all in doing my job. That’s the main reason I prefer facts from sources that are as objective as possible.

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Doom

Yeah, facts are facts. However, when facts are not completey represented, they can be used to paint a picture that does not remotely present the true nature of things. I’m not accusing MRC of such tactics. However, when they’re explicity telling the world that they are all about exposing liberal media bias, that does not give me the impression that they are going to report facts objectively 100% of the time. Now, if you can show evidence where they’ve shown conservative bias when it pops up, that would give them a bit more credibility as a not-so-biased source.

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Fairy Dust is on sale at Wal-mart this week. You can also get it cheap from Newt. He has an inexhaustable supply that he likes to cheerfully sprinkle around wherever he goes.

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Bosch – It is amazing what you can learn by having a conversation with someone, instead of talking at someone. Sadly too many people don’t want to take the time to do that.

Thulsa – Pretty much just your chain. Everyone else (well, for the most part) already knew that I approach things that way, and that it doesn’t line up with the “typical” approach for a conservative.

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I just made biscuits……from scratch…..with cheese and garlic……and I’m gonna go eat one….or 12.

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Bosch

Rub it in… Makes me think I’m gonna have to hunt you down…

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Bro,

I will say this about MRC. I’ve yet to see anything that they post that is taken out of context and to me that’s the big one as far as inaccuracy goes.

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“and I’m gonna go eat one….or 12.”

Nice. Sound like me when it comes to Provinos’ rolls, Red Lobster’s biscuits, Olive Garden’s bread sticks…

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Doom

That’s a biggie indeed. I’ve never looked at their site until today because I don’t get all caught up in that bias stuff in the first place. I’ve read enough liberal and conservative stuff that I can usually pinpoint the angle within the first paragraph or two. In today’s hyperpartisan environment, usually the title gives away the bias.

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Thulsa – Are you going to the klan rally tonight? Darryl bought this newfangled rope – extra light but super strong. I’m wearing the black hood with red piping. You?

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Bosch

I’ve got a Red Lobster almost right across the street. Sounds like a good idea..

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Just saying, you really don’t know,, do you?

As the judge would say, “Ignorance is no excuse.” (Or is it, “Bailiff, whack his pee pee!”)

See if you can find out, and if you can’t, I’ll indulge you.

Seriously.

But please, either way don’t be envious of me and my philosophy!

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JohnnyReb

“I do think there is more that binds than divides us. Although you can’t tell it here. I take my share of the blame for that.”

I as well, especially Wed and Thurs, am guilty.

This blog even some of us get out of hand, allows us to hash out the differences and see things from other perspectives that we have overlooked or ignored.

When you get past the silliness, any knowledge and insight that you can pick up even when disagreement and differences prevail make us a little wiser than the day before

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Doomsday,

Yeah. I’ll be there. Wouldn’t miss it for the world. Now make sure you get that new kind of rope made with the extra strong hemp blend. You can’t wear the black hood with the red piping. I was gonna wear that. Why don’t you just do the generic white tonight and next month you get to wear the black with red trim. If you do that I’ll let you light the cross tonight. Deal?

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“What did the man say? Something to the effect that the country would have been better off with men like Thurmond? Sure I can see how that can be construed as being a call to segregationist days”

If you’re going to judge what someone said, it’s really a good idea to know EXACTLY what he said…not just your pale idea of it: Lott said: “When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.”

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