World oil producers quake at prospect of Newt
Rick Perry, now consigned to spinning on behalf of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, this week demonstrated the energy-industry expertise he has gained during his service as Texas governor:
“As a matter of fact, perception is everything in this world we live in, and if the perception is Newt Gingrich could be the next president of the United States, that will have a worldwide effect, I will suggest to you, on the price of oil. And people who watch these markets and people who deal with these markets understand, that when you see the type of approach that he’s talking about — opening up federal lands and waters, opening up that pipeline from Canada, clearly giving incentives to drill in America for domestic energy, and then an all of the above policy, whether it’s wind or nuclear or whatever it might be — that will have a dampening effect on the cost of oil in particular and the other energy prices as well.”
That’s right, just the mere perception that Gingrich could be president would be enough to cause global oil prices to fall. But of course, in the extremely unlikely event that it did so, a lot of the higher-priced drilling operations in Perry’s home state of Texas would become uneconomical and cease operation.
Because, you know, that’s what happens. If oil drops to $70 a barrel, the incentive to look for it and drill for it falls as well, which drives the price of oil back up.
And as already documented, oil production in the United States has jumped by more than 20 percent in the last five years, while domestic consumption has fallen by more than 2 million barrels a day. Yet despite America pushing on both sides of the supply/demand equation, global oil prices have continued to rise.
Then again, those global oil prices have yet to experience the power of the Newt.
– Jay Bookman
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DoomSlayer
February 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
Thulsa, friend – “nonsensical rhetoric”? “reasoned argument”?. That’s nonsensically unreasoned of you. A rhetorical argument, perhaps?
RAStudd
February 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
It’s the DOLLAR stupid!
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
2:33 pm
“I’m not arguing that there is no liberal bias. My point is that, if you want to prove that to me, don’t cite a group that has the appearance of bias themselves. Pointing directly to the polls would be far better than directing someone to a site that looks like a conservative media attack group. Appearances have an effect on an argument whether it’s an intended effect or not.”
If the evidence presented by a person or entity is factually true, however excessive their bias may be, it is illogical to discount it on that account. I haven’t been to this site, but if, as TD claims, the examples are real, then that can hardly be discounted simply because the site has an axe to grind.
carlosgvv
February 24th, 2012
2:34 pm
Butch Cassidy – 2:13
Wow!!! And, I’ll bet you’re a great Mormon too.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
Towncrier, Adam, others,
Here’s another example of media bias. Remember when John King asked Rick Perry a question about the death penalty in texas and asked how he sleeps at night? Now do you guys really think that a network news panelist would ask a liberal candidate like Obama a question about abortion and then ask how do you sleep at night?
Or look at last night’s debate and all the social questions about contraceptives. If you will notice they were asking a lot of questions directed towards social questions to steer away from the economy so as to not give the repubs much of a chance to beat down Obama over how bad the economy has been. Is contraceptives really a big issue or just an issue to take a dig at repubs because they don’t want to support providing yet another freebie in the way of contraceptives? Be honest about it. Its a silly question that in the great scheme of things aint nowhere near as important as energy, the economy, the debt, etc. But it sure does put Rs in a defensive posture and make them look like bad guys so that’s why they ask it.
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
2:36 pm
HDB
February 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
1:52 pm
So….to expand on something that the states already have in force, in your eyes, is an overreach?? Actually, one could invoke the Commerce Clause to qualify such an expansion….and the 14th Amendment – equal protection………
There’re alternative ways to approach this, you know……..
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Oh the dreaded Commerce Clause! I agree that particular piece of law and the court decisions have played a large part in putting progressive causes into place and wipping out states rights. It has too many unintended consquences.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
In creating Fox, I suspect he was filling a void not being filled by anyone else – namely, a counterpoint to the one-sided (and sometimes of often liberal) presentation of mainstream media.
Well if you read a certain memo by Roger Ailes to Richard Nixon released in the last year or so, then you realize that it was not “balance” it was to influence. Most real news organizations attempt to present neutrally. They may fail at time but they do NOT as Fox has acknowledged actively try to present a “liberal” side.
And please, no citations of proof to pundits who like Jay are acknowledging that they are presenting with a view point.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
If the evidence presented by a person or entity is factually true, however excessive their bias may be, it is illogical to discount it on that account.
So, if there was a report that tied specific crimes to minorities and was cited from Stormfront dot org, you would not find reason to discount it based on the source?
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
Who would have thought this guy was in the tank for the “libs”?
“Years ago, Republican party chair Rich Bond explained that conservatives’ frequent denunciations of ‘liberal bias’ in the media were part of ‘a strategy’ (Washington Post, 8/20/92). Comparing journalists to referees in a sports match, Bond explained: ‘If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is “work the refs.” Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack next time.’”
0311/1811
February 24th, 2012
2:38 pm
Well JAY:
There’s always this !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5iypuYl4E0
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:40 pm
irrational,
I answered your question as far as I know. You just didn’t like the answer. And if you don’t feel I answered your question succinctly then go back and read my 10 or so posts on the subject with other posters. Even you should be able to logically figure out where I stand on things.
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
2:41 pm
Who would have thought this dude was in the tank for the “liberal media”?
‘The whole idea of the ‘liberal media’ was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.’”
Bill Kristol
AmVet - Like most decent Americans, I'm a Marxist.
February 24th, 2012
2:41 pm
Even debating the merits of TV infotainment packaged as “news” seems crazy to me.
I stopped watching that sell out garbage years ago.
Their primary job is simple – at all costs protect and hide any news about the serial and massive crimes of their corporate owners and their obedient proxies in the government. Especially the Pentagon.
Period, end of story.
The rest of it is just titillating filler for the National Enquirer crowd who thinks they are too sophisticated for stuff like that, yet blather on endlessly about how the “news” on their favorite channel is the only real news because it is not liberal or conservative or whatever.
No wonder reality TV does so damn well in this country…
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:42 pm
Bro – Nope, there is definitely no reason to discount that information based off the source. They wouldn’t lie.
Thulsa – You said you didn’t think it had anything to do with what they do in the bedroom. You said that was just a “bumper sticker slogan” that I was using. I’m simply asking you to explain how sex/sexual orientation/sexual preferences have nothing to do with sex.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 24th, 2012
2:43 pm
Adam
February 24th, 2012
1:11 pm
That Black Guy: Do you not see Eat the Rich’s nearly orgasmic joy about rising prices?
Yes, but did you see any of his OTHER comments? He’s doing it as bait. He’s not serious.
And you KNOW this how?
Unless you are Eat the Rich (sockpuppet), you cannot KNOW if he is serious, can you?
Adam
February 24th, 2012
2:43 pm
Doom: Or look at last night’s debate and all the social questions about contraceptives.
Are you really blaming the liberal media for bringing this issue to the forefront?
Media bias? Har har.
February 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
Enter your comments here
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2012
2:44 pm
“Or look at last night’s debate and all the social questions about contraceptives”
And what, exactly, does that have to do with NEWS bias?
Adam
February 24th, 2012
2:45 pm
That Black Guy: Unless you are Eat the Rich (sockpuppet), you cannot KNOW if he is serious, can you?
It seemed obvious he was being sarcastic to me. I guess I should ask him. But to me it looked just like what Redneck Convert does. I skipped over the “high gas prices = good!” posts and found a lot more of his posts to actually hold positions opposite of that, that seemed more sober and serious.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 24th, 2012
2:45 pm
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2012
1:14 pm
“I happen to think that there is a liberal bias to most of the mainstream media”
Ok, fair enough…then do what no one else has ever been able to do: collect a representative sample of STRAIGHT NEWS stories that contain “liberal bias” and post them here.
Everytime we ask that, we get opinion pieces or nothing. Maybe you can do better.
Can NOT reporting on a story or topic be considered bias?
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:46 pm
Adam,
I’m saying in the great scheme of things the social stuff like the controversy over birth control is a silly waste of time. A question like that in a presidential debate is just plain dumb.
Do you have a response to the sheer volume of money given to the Ds by network news employess vs money given to the Rs? Defending the indefensible is always a challenge.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
(ir)Rational
Thanks for reaffirming my belief in the honesty of people.
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
“If you want to have some sort of considered discussion about FNC and how they conduct their business, we can certainly do that. However, I’m not bound to conduct my discussion according to your rules or dance to your tune.”
To be honest, I have come to feel that I don’t want to have much of any discussion on anything with you. You seem to evoke the worst in me and I suspect I do the same in you. It simply is not worth it as I feel our exchanges tend to become nothing more than foolish arguments – mere p***ing contests – and I shouldn’t have anything to do with them. That’s not who I want to be.
I wish you well, nonetheless.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
2:47 pm
carlosgv – “Wow!!! And, I’ll bet you’re a great Mormon too.”
Lutheran actually. Comes from being born in Asheville, NC to parents who grew up in Northern Montana. You couldn’t pay me enough to join “The Church”.
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
2:48 pm
We can all cherry pick quotes and stats to show what we want…………. That we should be able to agree on.
Bias in some form or fashion, seeps out to some degree on EVERY news channel. Does that mean every news anchor is in the tank for Dems or Repubs? NO it doesn’t
People on both sides want to point out a few quotes out of 1000s to prove their point. It may very well prove their point in that instance, but if it is a few out of 1000s and even 10 of 10000s of quotes……….. Is that going to eat you up until your dying day?
If you don’t like it………… TURN IT OFF and seek out your own sources of information or the preacher who will preach to the choir you are in……………..
For me I lean left, but love to watch Fox, listen to right wing pundits and read the Moonie Times for info or “disinfo”………….
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
2:49 pm
(ir)Rational – Butch – Considering you’re retired now, I doubt I could find statistics for when you were in school (did they keep them on stone tablets that you chiseled on?)”
LOL, Come on man, I’m only 48, I’m not dead!
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
Bro – No problem. I mean, who would expect a group of guys who idolize another group of guys who dress in white robes and hoods to lie about minorities? Admittedly, I had to look up the website (Google, didn’t actually go to their site) to see who they were, but I can imagine they’re the type that either idolizes the KKK or the Aryan Brotherhood, but I still can’t see them lying. ESPECIALLY not to you.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
I’m saying in the great scheme of things the social stuff like the controversy over birth control is a silly waste of time. A question like that in a presidential debate is just plain dumb.
While I agree, I do not think the Republican base and some of the candidates agree with you.
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2012
2:52 pm
“Can NOT reporting on a story or topic be considered bias?”
It would depend on WHY it was not reported, but generally I would say no, it would not.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
Butch – You still got 21 on me. You was probably done with college before I was out of diapers. Having said that, I grew up as a Lutheran also. Something about having 99.99% of the family tree on one side coming from Bavaria.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:53 pm
“I’m simply asking you to explain how sex/sexual orientation/sexual preferences have nothing to do with sex.”
So you want me to explain to you how sex or sex preferences- a claim you apparently think I made, has nothing to do with sex? No sir. My claim is that your sexual orientation at work has nothing to do with the sex you do at home which nobody cares about. Son you get more bizarre and pointless by the moment. And you wonder why I don’t acknowledge your silliness.
And I’m asking you to explain how one’s sexual orientation in the workplace has anything to do with the sex they do at home in their bedroom which we do not care about?
For example if I see josef at work and I know he is a gay man what in the hell does it matter to me what he does at home with his partner?
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
“So, if there was a report that tied specific crimes to minorities and was cited from Stormfront dot org, you would not find reason to discount it based on the source?”
I don’t know what Stormfront is – a racist site? A report is a conclusion from factual evidence, not the evidence itself. If all they had were such “reports,” then yeah…I would tend to discount the site as a source of information.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
When I say I can turn on Hannity’s show, and find at least one lie in it, BY HANNITY, I mean it. Turn on Hannity’s show, and tell me that everything he says that can be attributed to fact is factually accurate and correct, and anything else he says is “just opinion.” For instance, saying that Obama didn’t want to get bin Laden, and saying you have tapes to prove that, is a LIE.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
2:54 pm
(ir)Rational – “Something about having 99.99% of the family tree on one side coming from Bavaria.”
Yep, that would definitely do it.
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
Adam
Hanitty is opinion……………. Yes he claims to provide the “most comprehensive ‘news’ coverage and he has people who swear by him, but even most conservatives whether they agree with him or not, understand he is an entertainer offering opinion sold as news.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
Bro,
If stormfront gets its info from the FBI uniform crime stats or the national crime victim survey then their infor is for real no matter if they are a hate site. I’ve cited articles from Huff Post on here several times even though I think its a lib site. The point about network news is that they decide what stories are to be covered. And if you cover stories that give an edge or bias to a liberal point of view then you are injecting your bias into the news. Same with con news. Fox news covers some stories it deems important that the network news will not cover thus giving an edge and of course bias to hannity, oreilly, etc. But its hard news is mostly the same stories as the network news and not much if any bias that I can see there.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:59 pm
Thulsa – I believe that is kinda the point. Except to some, it does matter. Considering you can still be fired for that, and that was what this bill was supposed to prevent. If you would have expressed it that way in the last post, I would have stopped asking you a long time ago. Instead, you had to go and try and express your “intellectual superiority” or something like that, by claiming that I was just using bumper sticker slogans, when in fact, you agreed with what I was saying, you were just to stubborn? to admit it. But hey, go on thinking I’m just some silly kid who doesn’t know how to express myself except through bumper sticker slogans. You might be surprised if you ever took the time to try and get to know my views on things that I can express myself just fine. Also, I very much enjoy finding something that makes people mad, and poking it, which I will admit is very childish, but it amuses me, and I do it everywhere, not just here.
Just Saying
February 24th, 2012
3:00 pm
Boortz equals the conservative view vs Jay’s liberal view
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:02 pm
(ir)Rational
Dang, I didn’t think anybody would actually go to that site. I thought most people already knew who Stormfront was. Damn, now I really feel bad subjecting you to that crap.
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
3:02 pm
Towncrier
Without putting words into Bro’s mouth, I think he was using Storm Front as an EXTREME example to say that certain sources can lead people to be tentative to the “facts” and “stats” they provide………
Always remember and this goes for all sides………
“Figures do not lie, but liars figure”………… Mark Twain
Mick
February 24th, 2012
3:02 pm
doomy
The liberal media is a myth! Quick..look over yonder in the lake…could it be…the loch ness monster?
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:04 pm
Bro – No problem. I mean, who would expect a group of guys who idolize another group of guys who dress in white robes and hoods to lie about minorities?
Robert Byrd, Bill Clinton’s senator mentor in Arkansas was a former kkk member if I remember correctly, I think Al Gore’s father was a segregationist, Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt’s first appointment to the Supreme Court was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, Sen. Hugo Black …
Dems do love they KKK members they do!
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:05 pm
Bro – I just Googled it to confirm what I suspected. I didn’t actually go to the site. My wife spent a lot of time in college studying those groups for some criminal justice classes she had to write a “threat assessment” on. So, I probably knew who they were, I just didn’t remember.
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
3:05 pm
“Remember when John King asked Rick Perry a question about the death penalty in texas and asked how he sleeps at night? Now do you guys really think that a network news panelist would ask a liberal candidate like Obama a question about abortion and then ask how do you sleep at night?”
Good example, Thulsa. Everyone in the world has bias. It’s just that an objective presentation of things was supposed to guide journalism.
AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater
February 24th, 2012
3:07 pm
Boortz, a conservative?!
Hysterical.
It is guys like him and Rush who helped kill conservatism.
Traditional American conservatives would take one look at Bush and Reagan and Iraq and the corporate ownership of your party and the anti-environmentalism and the bailouts and the giveaways and your spendaholic disease and the war on the middle class and on and on and on and throw up in disgust.
And if you Republicans had any pride at all you would be ashamed to even use the word…
kayaker 71
February 24th, 2012
3:07 pm
Rush played an interesting soundbite today of Bozo giving a speech before the Illinois state senate in 2002. Seems that when a women gets an abortion and the abortion is not successful, she is forced to either carry the baby to term or have another abortion. Bozo is arguing that the woman has the right to terminate the baby’s life, just because the mother does not want the infant, even when the child is a living and breathing human being outside the womb and he is also stating that the presence of another doctor would be required if this were the case. I remember that being called infanticide…… just a fancy name for murder. This is not partial birth abortion, this is advocating the killing of a baby outside of the womb because the mother just doesn’t want the child. Wow.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:07 pm
Mick,
The money trail disagrees with you. And in a huge sorta way. From wiki.
These arguments intensified when it was revealed that the Democratic Party received a total donation of $1,020,816, given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks (NBC, CBS, ABC), while the Republican Party received only $142,863 via 193 donations.[20] Both of these figures represent donations made in 2008.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:09 pm
Towncrier
Yeah, Stormfront is the main site for neo-Nazi groups. You will find all kinds of reports, testimonies, and news links about the bad things that minorities do. I can’t answer for anybody else, but I tend to question information from any group that has the appearance of obvious bias when reporting on something. I wouldn’t go to Stormfront for statistics involving minorities just as I wouldn’t go the the National Democratic Party website to look for statistics on conservative things.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:09 pm
Thulsa – Can’t speak for Bro, but I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of the Democrat party. I was a Republican, but then I started studying what they were saying and decided that I didn’t want to paint myself into a corner with that label, so now I am simply a conservative.
BigD
February 24th, 2012
3:10 pm
I’m still waiting for Obama to unveil his magic fairy dust for Tractors, Semis, Combines and ships to run on…oh yea guess what you can kiss plastic goodbye also…and cosmetics. This idiot president thinks Gasoline is the only use for crude oil. Transportation only accounts for 17% of fossil fuel consumption. Think gas is high?… wait till you see what food prices are going to do this summer if crude keeps going up….if this was a Republican with this crap record of nation killing the liberal media would be calling to impeach him.
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
3:10 pm
Examples of Media Bias can be found at this site. It has opinion which favors the Right – as in showing there truly is media bias – but also includes video, links, etc. to support the position as well as clearly showing the bias.
http://www.mrc.org/home
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:10 pm
They BOTH @ 3:02
Thanks. Much better stated than I did.
ragnar danneskjold
February 24th, 2012
3:12 pm
Dear Mick @ 1:56, I do not doubt that you think truth “reeks.”
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2012
3:12 pm
“It’s just that an objective presentation of things was supposed to guide journalism”
You still have not provided any NEWS stories that show liberal bias. A panelist on a debate is not reporting the news.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:12 pm
Doom: If stormfront gets its info from the FBI uniform crime stats or the national crime victim survey then their infor is for real no matter if they are a hate site.
And how many times have we seen different groups cherrypick data to push their agenda? You can’t pretend as though that doesn’t happen. I’ll state it again, I can’t answer for everyone else, but if you want me to believe your facts, get them straight from the source and not from a group that has the appearance of pushing an agenda.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:13 pm
Irational,
hell if you wanna poke fun at me I’m cool with that. Just make it funny and I’ll even laugh at it. That dadgum Butch Cassidy does it to me all the time and I just can’t help but laugh at it.
HDB
February 24th, 2012
3:14 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:04 pm
Lest you forget Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms, Ronald Reagan……….Barry Goldwater…Trent Lott…..and now, the Tea Party………
It wasn’t because they were Democrats or Republicans…..it was because they all were conservatives…..
Just Saying
February 24th, 2012
3:14 pm
Amvet,
Thanks for missing the whole point, however you want to characterize him, he is the opposing view of Jay. I hope you have enough sense to understand that. I would love to see that debate in person, Jay would not do it, cause he would be put to shame……………………
Bosch
February 24th, 2012
3:15 pm
Just scanning through the posts….don’t really have much to comment on, but if I didn’t know better, I’d say that we had done gone and brought irRational over from the dark side!!
Yay!! We saved a soul! I’d say our next convert? Reb…..
Mick
February 24th, 2012
3:15 pm
doom
You seem to be a pretty smart cookie, why do you buy into all the b.s.? Maybe it’s just that all cons are oddballs who really don’t fit in to well with the regular normal type folk. Paranoia, conspiracy behind every corner, lurking and ready to snatch your free will. My advice to you is – chill, party and make love, you’ll feel the illumination!! Have a great friday…
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
Thulsa – I do it more for my own amusement (like I said, find something that annoys you/makes you mad and then poke at it), but I’ll see about expanding it to something you could enjoy too.
AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater
February 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
Woo Hoo! rags used a first person singular pronoun!
We approve.
To a philosopher all news, as it is called, is gossip, and they who edit and read it are old women over their tea. ~Henry David Thoreau
In the case of news, we should always wait for the sacrament of confirmation. ~Voltaire
The only gossip I’m interested in is things from the Weekly World News – ‘Woman’s bra bursts, 11 injured’. That kind of thing. ~Johnny Depp
I do not like to get the news, because there has never been an era when so many things were going so right for so many of the wrong persons. ~Ogden Nash
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
3:16 pm
“Yeah, Stormfront is the main site for neo-Nazi groups. You will find all kinds of reports, testimonies, and news links about the bad things that minorities do.”
Well that seems more of a case of people presenting views than advancing propositions and offering evidence independently to support those propositions. In the latter case, while you may not agree with the propositions, you can at least evaluate the evidence by itself to see if it is truly supportive of them.
AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater
February 24th, 2012
3:17 pm
Just saying, and you never will see that debate.
But as you have no clue as to why, the joke is on you. And your cowardly hero…
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:18 pm
Bro,
I agree but sometimes disagree on that. Facts are facts. I’ve seen Huffpost post an article that came from a credible source such as a federal agency and I’ve reprinted the article- several as a matter of fact from huffpo. I would hope that most people can read through the stats or understand how stats can be used or abused. That is up to the reader. I would hope that most of us can read through the stats and bs. For example the lib argument on drilling is that we are drilling more oil than ever. Well that happens to be true. What they don’t tell you is that its because of the moratorium lifted under W and the sheer numbers of permits that were granted under W and the wells which are now producing oil because of those permits.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:19 pm
Bosch – I have no soul. I’m a Conservative remember?
Seriously though, only on social issues. Plus, I find it amusing to poke at people (see my last post). And I still approach them from a conservative standpoint. I simply approach them as a true conservative, not as one who hides behind religion to argue points which call for more government instead of less.
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
3:20 pm
Hello Bosch, hope you and yours are doing good today and always. I am, however, concerned of your day dreaming
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:21 pm
My advice to you is – chill, party and make love, you’ll feel the illumination!!
Mick,
I think I’ll take that advice. I was going to anyway.
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
3:22 pm
Holy Cow !! I put a smiley face. Who said you can’t teach old dogs new tricks.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:22 pm
Thulsa – There is a difference between Huffington Post and a white supremacist group.
Bosch
February 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
irRational,
It’s funny how people like to compartmentalize people. I had a conversation with someone the other day and they were going on about how liberals think that the government needs to solve all their problems, etc. I stopped them and said, “I don’t know any “liberal” who thinks that. People who do, aren’t liberals, they are just lazy. It’s not a political issue.”
Person’s mouth dropped and finally said, “Yeah, you’re right.”
Point is, I have found on this blog lots of people like to talk for one another and rarely do they just come out and ask what someone thinks. If that happened more often, we’d find we aren’t really all that different. But what’s the fun in that, huh?
Jefferson
February 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
Conservatives are not cool.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
irational,
And here you just been yankin our chains the whole time and gittin away with it. As Clint Eastwood would say Bravo!
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:24 pm
Towncrier
Since my occupation is law enforcement related, I check things like that out from time to time. Many a time, I’ve learned far more than I ever wanted to, but it’s all in doing my job. That’s the main reason I prefer facts from sources that are as objective as possible.
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Doom
Yeah, facts are facts. However, when facts are not completey represented, they can be used to paint a picture that does not remotely present the true nature of things. I’m not accusing MRC of such tactics. However, when they’re explicity telling the world that they are all about exposing liberal media bias, that does not give me the impression that they are going to report facts objectively 100% of the time. Now, if you can show evidence where they’ve shown conservative bias when it pops up, that would give them a bit more credibility as a not-so-biased source.
Bosch
February 24th, 2012
3:25 pm
Hi Reb!
Yeah, the Bosches are well. Read my 3:24….we’ll get you yet!
We made you change your mind on teh gay, remember??
Oscar
February 24th, 2012
3:25 pm
BigD
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Fairy Dust is on sale at Wal-mart this week. You can also get it cheap from Newt. He has an inexhaustable supply that he likes to cheerfully sprinkle around wherever he goes.
Just Saying
February 24th, 2012
3:25 pm
Dear Amvet,
Why don’t you show us how smart you are and tell us why it won’t happen, other than why I have already said.
Could it be that you are envious of Neal and his philosphy, or is it that you just love to hear yourself speak
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:26 pm
Bosch – It is amazing what you can learn by having a conversation with someone, instead of talking at someone. Sadly too many people don’t want to take the time to do that.
Thulsa – Pretty much just your chain. Everyone else (well, for the most part) already knew that I approach things that way, and that it doesn’t line up with the “typical” approach for a conservative.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
HDB,
Lumping Reagan in there is a bit of a stretch. Lott too. I can’t stand Lott but what the hell did the guy do? Get carried away at Thurmond’s birthday party? Goldwater? Sheesh.
Bosch
February 24th, 2012
3:28 pm
I just made biscuits……from scratch…..with cheese and garlic……and I’m gonna go eat one….or 12.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:29 pm
Irrational- I yanked back perty good now. I think you was all fired up. As it stands though I think ultimately we all agree that we wouldn’t want to see someone fired simply for being gay.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
Bosch
Rub it in… Makes me think I’m gonna have to hunt you down…
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
3:31 pm
TD
I can’t speak for Lott, good or bad. With that said, the “brown water” must have been flowing at Storm’s celebration.
Can you imagine the look on his aide’s face when he said what he did? I bet a few people in the room at one time said “he probably shouldn’t have said all that”…………..
hahahaha
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:32 pm
Bro,
I will say this about MRC. I’ve yet to see anything that they post that is taken out of context and to me that’s the big one as far as inaccuracy goes.
Bosch
February 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
Brosephus,
You should, because these biscuits are so damn good! And I’d share! Red Lobster ain’t got nothing on me!! Oh damn you should smell my kitchen!!
Peadawg
February 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
“and I’m gonna go eat one….or 12.”
Nice. Sound like me when it comes to Provinos’ rolls, Red Lobster’s biscuits, Olive Garden’s bread sticks…
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
3:33 pm
Bosch – I changed my mind on DADT because it was the correct thing to do. I will however admit you and others perhaps got me there sooner than I would have otherwise.
Your 3:24 is on the money. I do think there is more that binds than divides us. Although you can’t tell it here. I take my share of the blame for that.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Doom
That’s a biggie indeed. I’ve never looked at their site until today because I don’t get all caught up in that bias stuff in the first place. I’ve read enough liberal and conservative stuff that I can usually pinpoint the angle within the first paragraph or two. In today’s hyperpartisan environment, usually the title gives away the bias.
HDB
February 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:27 pm
Not a stretch for Reagan……he advocated for segregation in Philadelphia, Mississippi…plus check out his stance against Hispanics as Governor of California!
Lott’s voting record is anti-minority…..Goldwater was anti-affirmative action and anti-civil-rights…….this is a matter of public record…….
If you want to take it even further….Rand and Ron Paul can be added to the list……….
DoomsDay
February 24th, 2012
3:35 pm
Thulsa – Are you going to the klan rally tonight? Darryl bought this newfangled rope – extra light but super strong. I’m wearing the black hood with red piping. You?
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
Thulsa – I don’t necessarily stop it with them not being fired for being gay, but yeah, that we can agree on.
Bosch – So, ah, yeah, directions to your biscuits please. I’m coming from Buckhead.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
Bosch
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
They BOTH suck,
What did the man say? Something to the effect that the country would have been better off with men like Thurmond? Sure I can see how that can be construed as being a call to segregationist days. But i can also see it as being someone just trying to praise Thurmond too much.
But I despise Lott for a different reason. I remember 15 years or so the man forced through the building of a cruiser the Navy explicitly said it didn’t want or need at a cost of $300 million. All to save just 300 jobs. If that is not pork barrel absolute crappy waste of our money than what is. After that I had nothing but contempt and disgust for such a despicable man that thinks its ok to just blow 300 million dollars all to win 300 votes.
AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater
February 24th, 2012
3:36 pm
Just saying, you really don’t know,, do you?
As the judge would say, “Ignorance is no excuse.” (Or is it, “Bailiff, whack his pee pee!”)
See if you can find out, and if you can’t, I’ll indulge you.
Seriously.
But please, either way don’t be envious of me and my philosophy!
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 24th, 2012
3:37 pm
Brosephus™ – Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
That Guy
Run for president?
Nah, I don’t have the patience to smile quietly while people attempt to dissect every single thing I’ve done in my lifetime. I don’t think many people would connect with the Angry Black Man candidate.
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I could be your campaign manager. Here’s how the first press conference would go:
REPORTER: “Mr Guy, Mr Guy, it is my understanding the in 1984 Candidate Brosephus may or may not have had a jherri curl. Can you comment on that?
BLAM!!!!!!
Mr. Guy: “I didn’t understand the question, would someone like to repeat it?”
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
3:39 pm
JohnnyReb
“I do think there is more that binds than divides us. Although you can’t tell it here. I take my share of the blame for that.”
I as well, especially Wed and Thurs, am guilty.
This blog even some of us get out of hand, allows us to hash out the differences and see things from other perspectives that we have overlooked or ignored.
When you get past the silliness, any knowledge and insight that you can pick up even when disagreement and differences prevail make us a little wiser than the day before
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
3:39 pm
Bro – You may be right about the “title giving away their bias” part, but, especially for news articles, a lot of times it seems like the title is meant to give the smallest part of the story to give as inflammatory of an impression as possible to get some traffic. If that makes any sense.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
Doomsday,
Yeah. I’ll be there. Wouldn’t miss it for the world. Now make sure you get that new kind of rope made with the extra strong hemp blend. You can’t wear the black hood with the red piping. I was gonna wear that. Why don’t you just do the generic white tonight and next month you get to wear the black with red trim. If you do that I’ll let you light the cross tonight. Deal?
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
3:40 pm
Blk Guy
Its the baggies and Staceys that might do Bro in not the curl……..
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2012
3:43 pm
“What did the man say? Something to the effect that the country would have been better off with men like Thurmond? Sure I can see how that can be construed as being a call to segregationist days”
If you’re going to judge what someone said, it’s really a good idea to know EXACTLY what he said…not just your pale idea of it: Lott said: “When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either.”