World oil producers quake at prospect of Newt
Rick Perry, now consigned to spinning on behalf of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, this week demonstrated the energy-industry expertise he has gained during his service as Texas governor:
“As a matter of fact, perception is everything in this world we live in, and if the perception is Newt Gingrich could be the next president of the United States, that will have a worldwide effect, I will suggest to you, on the price of oil. And people who watch these markets and people who deal with these markets understand, that when you see the type of approach that he’s talking about — opening up federal lands and waters, opening up that pipeline from Canada, clearly giving incentives to drill in America for domestic energy, and then an all of the above policy, whether it’s wind or nuclear or whatever it might be — that will have a dampening effect on the cost of oil in particular and the other energy prices as well.”
That’s right, just the mere perception that Gingrich could be president would be enough to cause global oil prices to fall. But of course, in the extremely unlikely event that it did so, a lot of the higher-priced drilling operations in Perry’s home state of Texas would become uneconomical and cease operation.
Because, you know, that’s what happens. If oil drops to $70 a barrel, the incentive to look for it and drill for it falls as well, which drives the price of oil back up.
And as already documented, oil production in the United States has jumped by more than 20 percent in the last five years, while domestic consumption has fallen by more than 2 million barrels a day. Yet despite America pushing on both sides of the supply/demand equation, global oil prices have continued to rise.
Then again, those global oil prices have yet to experience the power of the Newt.
– Jay Bookman
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They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
Jay
I’m going to take the liberty and drop some nasty funk on this Friday for all to enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QST9Joizdjs&feature=related
Sorry man……… couldn’t wait
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
1:41 pm
“Other networks do not even come close to that kind of thing, even if you can find the occasional deliberate lie.”
Umm. Yes they do. I don’t see much of a difference between Fox’s hard news with Brett Bair and Shepard Smith as with the hard news of other channels except that Dianne Sawyer doesn’t do a very good job of hiding her bias. As do some of the lesser anchors at NBC. Now if you’re talking about Oreilly or Hannity well of course that’s biased. Biased just like Chris Matthews at MSNBC and other shows like that. When Terry Moran of ABC news said that Obama “lowered himself” by taking on the job of the U.S. presidency do you think she wasn’t biased? When several network news programs are showing a black armed protestor at a tea party rally but they are blurbing out his arms as well as his face to avoid showing a black man do you honestly think that’s honest reporting. They did that because a black man at a tea party rally didn’t fit in with the stereotype they wanted to portray about a lot of ticked off angry white men with guns. And how much of the rioting did or horrible signage of the OWS protestors did the networks or MSNBC or CNN show? Not much at all. They tried to whitewash the nasty side of the OWS protestors. Does Dan Rather with bogus docs on W not raise an eyebrow?
Lets look at oil Adam. When oil hit this price 4 years ago under W $4.58 a gallon there were 59 stories that day when it hit this average high. How many stories were there yesterday about this new high under O? 21 according to Brent Bozell at the media research center. Not only is the bias obvious. It is empirically measurable.
JOEL RAY THOMAS
February 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID SPECULATORS WERE NOT GOIN TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,GUESS WHAT EVERYTHING HE PROMISES THE OPPOSITE HAPPENS.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
Willydoit — “Messing around on your old lady and letting a chick drown in your car while you sleep off a hangover are two different things.”
I bet if you’d asked Newt about that back in 1998, he’d have said there was little or no difference between the two. Of course, that was before anyone knew about Callista.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
1:43 pm
Butch – You can’t blame RB, he was quite possibly edumacated in one of them fine public schools we have here in Georgia.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
1:46 pm
Doom: Lets look at oil Adam. When oil hit this price 4 years ago under W $4.58 a gallon there were 59 stories that day when it hit this average high. How many stories were there yesterday about this new high under O? 21 according to Brent Bozell at the media research center. Not only is the bias obvious. It is empirically measurable.
That does not show current bias, it shows that the media knows better than to lie now. Well, some of them, anyway.
As for outright lies and deliberate misinformation, yes it is a FACT that Fox does this more often than other networks, by a longshot! You can’t even come close to finding an equivalent source anywhere else. And before you insist that I prove a negative, remember you yourself first insisted on the positive form, that the other networks DO have lies and misinformation on purpose and consistently. Show me a single network that does this as much as Fox News and I’ll buy you a beer. And not that cheap stuff either.
HDB
February 24th, 2012
1:47 pm
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
1:30 pm
“SEVEN states attorney generals filed suit today on Obama’s mandate that insurance companies provide contraceptives free of charge.
I told you the contraceptive thing was not over. Obama cannot do what he stood and stated was the solution to the Catholic birth control issue. He is not a king, not a dicatator. He can’t simply tell a publically held company what to do.”
So…what about the 28 states that ALREADY have this policy in force?? Why can’t’ Obama expand upon what the states have already done??
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
1:47 pm
Thulsa – Good you’re here. Can you take a stab at explaining, from below, how sex/sexual orientation have nothing to do with what goes on in the bedroom? I mean, I’m very curious as to how that is? I asked you a couple of times below, and all you said was I should drop the hyperbole and the bumper sticker slogans, but I want a real answer.
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
1:47 pm
“Are you trying to say all these journalists are either trained or smart enough to figure out how to work in subliminals without being seen as biased, except by maybe the smart people over at Fox News who have it all figured out that everyone ELSE is liberal media? If there is bias, my bet is that most of those trying to be objective are genuine, and do not introduce bias on purpose.”
Look, Adam: you seem like a smart guy and generally thoughtful. But my feeling is you are, on this issue, believing what you want to believe. Again, I don’t think there is liberal bias in much of the media because the Fox says so. They have certainly made that charge and there are only two logical possibilities: it is true or it is not. I have in another post alluded to the kinds of indirect evidence that lead me to conclude it is true. Does that mean there aren’t a whole lot of liberal leaning journalists who sincerely try to avoid introducing bias into their news coverage. Of course not. To me, the best example of that is the PBS News Hour. I suspect that at least a few of those journalists are liberal. But I would have to strain real hard to discern it.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
They BOTH
Damn bro!!! That one’s bookmarked now.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
Fox news- conservative
ABC- LIB
NBC- LIB
CBS- LIB
MSNBC-LIB
CNN- LIB
And yet they still complain about the lone conservative voice on tv. Kinda comical it is. Would they be happy with a 6-1 advantage? 8-1?30-1?
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
Poor JOEL RAY THOMAS, no one will hear him unless his yells.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
How exactly does the number of stories reported on a subject 4 years ago compared to the number of stories on the same subject today “prove” measurable bias? Talk about phony science. Absolutely meaningless as “proof”
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Joe Cool – these fights over Obamacare, contraception, etc. might be the last stand for States Rights. So I don’t agree it’s money wasted. If the court does not overturn Obamacare or Republicans cannot repeal it legislatively, things will get very interesting. There is a huge portion, perhaps not the majority, but enough to draw world attention that will not set idly by of that outcome.
Generation$crewed
February 24th, 2012
1:52 pm
Adam
February 24th, 2012
1:36 pm
Wow, simply amazing.
Do you even read what is written before you blabber your post off?????
See where I said I do not blame Obama for the gas prices…. Here is what I said directly????
“But I am just sure all those claiming that President Obama is not to blame for gas prices as I do, were also not blaming Bush for high gas prices back then either.”
But judging how fast you reacted if I was a betting man (I’m not) I would bet you were one of those blaming Bush for high gas prices. The burden of proof is on you to show at any point in time you have documentation of you rejecting the idea that the gas prices were caused by Bush. Many democrats spoke out against Bush in regards to gas prices. President Obama even had multiple ads during the primaries and the general election blaming bush for high gas prices.
So I am just sure you would have spoken out against it at least once. So just show us where you spoke out and proof it was you and not another blogger and I will apologize for the accusation.
They BOTH suck
February 24th, 2012
1:52 pm
Bro
Check out SMV…….. Stanley Clark, Marcus Miller and Victor Wooten………. All great individual artists on their own, but oh the magic when they play together
They are jazz guys but surely now how to funk it up with the BEST in the world
This one is SICKKKKKKK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHF9gDC8ACI&feature=related
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
1:52 pm
HDB – you answered your own question. The difference is, the state doing it within their state versus the Federal Government requiring them to do it.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
1:53 pm
Adam:
Just like good little liberal. Provide absolutly no examples that FOX “lies”….
Adam
February 24th, 2012
1:53 pm
Doom: Wrong
Fox news- CON
ABC- CON
NBC- Moderate
CBS- Moderate
MSNBC-LIB
CNN- DEFINITELY CON
Now, you made the claims first. Prove to me all of those outlets are liberal. Also, you are not permitted to start with, end with, or mention MSNBC as I have already conceded that it is liberal. And the phrase “Media Matters” is not allowed either. Let’s see if you can manage it.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
1:54 pm
Thulsa Doom:
Great analogy but I would probably list FOX as they list themselves. Fair and balanced becuase they do have quite a few liberals on….
gm
February 24th, 2012
1:54 pm
Once again fox no news idiots do your reseach the amount of oil riggs have triple under the Obama administration we are pumping more oil more at any time in our country.
Newt will sel his mother out to get elected, any time you have lie and say you helped bring the olympic to atlanta, every one in the Atl knows that was a lie, was so amazing bout the extreme right morans they rather blame Obama then blame the oil companies who have made billions record profits sticking it to Americans this show the stupidity of this rep party.
Mick
February 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
ragnar
Maybe the truth does burn, I’m patiently waiting for you to come up with something that reeks of the truth…
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
1:55 pm
Adam:
No Adam. Do your homework and prove to us there not….
Adam
February 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
GS: But I am just sure all those claiming that President Obama is not to blame for gas prices as I do
Your word usage leads me, even now, to think this is saying you DO blame him. If that’s not what you meant, then ok. I accept that. But your word usage here says otherwise.
I was not on this blog, or any others, during Bush’s time in office. So your point does not apply to me.
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
1:50 pm
Outside of the courts, the CONs dont have a shot in he11 of overturning the ACA. These candidates get on TV and feed yall all this “repeal ObamaCare” crap, but never tell yall it aint going nowhere unless the have all of congress and the WH.
The CONs are on the wrong side of the contraception issue as always. They thought it was their “fast ball down the middle”, but they will soon see it was a slider.
Bud Wiser
February 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
One of the sources of the problem is that American oil producers sell their products overseas for higher profits. That’s the way they do business.
Now if Obama, or the next president, decided to push for an export tax on them, equal to or higher than their margins, they would have little choice but to sell it here, or lose money.
The prospect alone of losing money probably makes those oil folks want to puke, so we’d be the happy recipients of higher volumes of fuel, and at significantly lower prices.
The government would still be happy to collect the new higher revenues if they stubbornly persisted to sell overseas, and action taken to drastically reduce domestic production to artificialy maintain higher local prices could just as eagerly be welcomed by the Justice Department (not Holder, he is a puppet), or the SEC. Once more the government and the working populace would be happy.
It seems like a win-win situation for the consumer.
Therefore, do not count on any such action being taken by the current administration.
They want you to fly a kite in a thunderstorm to power all these electric cars that they say are coming.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/07/networks-run-more-cain-scandal-stories-week-they-did-obamas-ties-ayer
Doggone/GA
February 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
“I have in another post alluded to the kinds of indirect evidence that lead me to conclude it is true.”
If the bias does not show up in the actual news reports, then “indirect evidence” is evidence of NOTHING.
Mick
February 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
Thulsa Doom
@
February 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
Fox news- conservative
ABC- neutral
NBC- neutral
CBS- nuetral
MSNBC-LIB
CNN- neutral
Dommy – fixed it for ya…
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
1:57 pm
As for outright lies and deliberate misinformation, yes it is a FACT that Fox does this more often than other networks, by a longshot!
Adam,
Go to media research center. You can read all day long about examples of liberal media bias. We already know Hannity and Oreilly tilt con. So what?
But show me where a Fox anchor such as a Brett Bair has gone out of his way to influence a presidential election with fake documents against the candidate of the D party? Can you show me something that a Fox anchor has done that even comes close to approaching that sort of eggregious behavior? You can’t even come close.
When an ABC anchor like Terry Moran says Obama lowered himself into becoming potus can you honestly say that’s not crazy bias?
In the same way that you’ve supposedly seen all sorts of inaccuracies on Fox news I’ve seen the same in regular hard news on the other channels. I understand your criticism of Hannity, Oreilly, but can you show me extreme examples of hard news bias by Shep Smith or Brett bair?
Mick
February 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
doom
neutral and doomy, man I cannot type anymores…
Jason
February 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
Yet gas is approaching $5/ gallon under this president. Just like in absolutely everything else, it’s not his fault and there is nothing he can do about it. No other president EVER has had to deal with what he has had to deal with.
Poor Obama. It must be sad to be President and have absolutely no ability to lead.
HDB
February 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
1:52 pm
So….to expand on something that the states already have in force, in your eyes, is an overreach?? Actually, one could invoke the Commerce Clause to qualify such an expansion….and the 14th Amendment – equal protection………
There’re alternative ways to approach this, you know……..
Joe Hussein Mama
February 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
Joseph — “No Adam. Do your homework and prove to us there not….”
One doesn’t prove a negative.
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
1:56 pm
What do you expect when a new woman comes out every week….duh!!
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
1:59 pm
Bud Wiser – “They want you to fly a kite in a thunderstorm to power all these electric cars that they say are coming.”
Hey Bud, I hate to tell you this, but electric cars are already a reality.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:00 pm
They BOTH
Wooten makes that bass spit out fire. I had never heard them together before. I’ve heard them individually though. Now, I got something new to explore.
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
2:01 pm
Jason
February 24th, 2012
1:58 pm
Hannity has schooled you well grasshopper
Jason
February 24th, 2012
2:01 pm
You are wasting electronic ink here. A liberal is genetically incapable of seeing bias. Their views are simply superior. When a media outlet reports things they agree with…It isn’t bias…it’s confirmation and fact reporting to them.
gm
February 24th, 2012
2:01 pm
Joseph
We are still waiting on the tape that shows Obama did not want to give the attack on bin ladin, this was said by 3 times college drop out Sean Hannity, Fox loves to feed their bigots and racist audience red meat.
Fox news where rep go to bash the Presidents of the United States 24 hours a day, this station is America true terrorist.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
Adam:
The public certainly don’t agree with you… But I’m sure they wouldn’t on a majority of issues…
Jason
February 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
JOE COOL…Not a Hannity fan. But from what I see you seem to spout the dem talking points fairly well.
But I guess you do all your own independent research.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/exhibit-2-5-gallup-polls-media-bias
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
Jason – “No other president EVER has had to deal with what he has had to deal with. ”
Actually it should read “No other President since the Great Depression has had to deal with what Obama has had to deal with.”
Unless of course you can cite the last time the credit market imploded to the extent of dragging the global economy down with it and which president was in office at the time. Go ahead, we can wait for the links.
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
“No, you don’t have that straight.”
I think I did and the following statement proves it for me:
“*Giving up* on trying to be objective, either because it’s difficult, it’s not historically supported or for whatever reason means that one’s not even trying.”
All I can say is thank goodness for your perspicacity (or is that just an instance of unrestrained over-generalization?)! You might note that I had the honesty to admit to Adam in another post that a great many liberal journalists probably strive to keep personal bias out of their news coverage. I haven’t heard you concede anything positive about the Fox News network. If you have, please point me to the appropriate posts. If not, then I can only conclude you are not very objective.
“Didn’t say it, didn’t think it, didn’t defend the practice.”
Good to hear.
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
Jason
February 24th, 2012
2:02 pm
Such as??? I’ll wait.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:03 pm
gm:
Proof please…. You saying it certainly don’t fly…
Bud Wiser
February 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
Oh, and Jay, why would the oil companies, under the current setup of capacity and production, have to have … the incentive to look for it and drill for it… with such a voracity as you imply?
What they are shipping overseas would that drive to look and drill down, allowing much more detailed and environmentally safe investigations into such, another ‘win’ for the leftist crowd.
The consumers win, the tree huggers win, and the oil companies still make money, albeit at not such obscene rates as they do now.
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
Funny to see Joseph ask someone for “proof”..lol
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:05 pm
Jason:
Excellent observation… Libs are fruits beyond repair…
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
Mick,
Not even close Mick. If you think CBS and NBC are neutral or Dianne Sawyer,Terry Moran, Katie Couric, Dan Rather and others are/were neutral then I would like to sell you my oceanfront property in Omaha.
Next you are going to try and tell me that Bill Moyer and PBS are not liberal. Go ahead. I double dog dare ya! As does liberal Juan Williams who worked there and said it was a bastion of white liberals.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
One of the sources of the problem is that American oil producers sell their products overseas for higher profits. That’s the way they do business.
Now if Obama, or the next president, decided to push for an export tax on them, equal to or higher than their margins, they would have little choice but to sell it here, or lose money.
The prospect alone of losing money probably makes those oil folks want to puke, so we’d be the happy recipients of higher volumes of fuel, and at significantly lower prices.
Sounds like government interference in the free market. That does not sound like a very conservative ideal to me. Seems that Obama is out conserving the conservatives by not interfering with the free market. Maybe that’s why there’s so much hatred for Obama by some on the political Right. That dude exhibits more real conservatism than many could ever imagine.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
JOE COOL:
Do you honestly think I would take the word of a libturd???
AmVet - Like most decent Americans, I'm a Marxist.
February 24th, 2012
2:07 pm
…we would agree with your analogy…
How can anyone give credence to a man – and his imaginary colleagues – who can’t even use the correct pronoun?
Does he have so little belief in his own convictions that he feels compelled to make up allies?
We believe so.
LOL…
Bud Wiser
February 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
Hey Butch, nice intelligent response…not.
You completely ignore the central issue to attack the comic relief.
If that’s all you have, then you have nothing.
How about something well thought out, or are you a product of the Georgia education system?
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
Jason
Maybe you should go back and read Bud Wiser’s posts. Maybe you can begin to grasp what Obama would need to do. Then ask yourself, is he a better conservative than you because he is not doing those very things that you seem to want him to do.
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
2:08 pm
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:06 pm
*yawns*…get some new material PLEEEASE.
TaxPayer
February 24th, 2012
2:09 pm
NEW YORK, Feb 24 (Reuters) – The number of rigs drilling for natural gas in the United States fell for the seventh straight week this week as producers continued a slow dry gas drilling operations in the face of low prices.
The gas-directed rig count slipped by six to 710, its lowest since September 2009, according to data from Houston-based oil services firm Baker Hughes on Friday.
Record-high supplies and weak demand during one of the mildest winters on record helped drive gas pries to 10-year lows in January, prompting several producers to cut back.
Elect me and I’ll raise gas prices so our corporations can be profitable.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:09 pm
Bro – “ask yourself, is he (Obama) a better conservative than you” – That is cold man. Just cold.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/exhibit-2-17-rasmussen-reports-campaign-2008-bias
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
“You are wasting electronic ink here. A liberal is genetically incapable of seeing bias. Their views are simply superior. When a media outlet reports things they agree with…It isn’t bias…it’s confirmation and fact reporting to them.”
In truth, we are all that way to some extent, Jason. And once we become adults and aware of this proclivity, it is no longer “genetic.” It is interesting to see the same charges against others leveled by both sides.
gm
February 24th, 2012
2:10 pm
Joseph
Research it yourself, I did just to make sure I heard this idiot correctly, that is the trouble with you right wing nuts, Hannity and Carl Rowe can tell you Obama haters anything and its the law.
I guess that is why hannity and sara can continue to make their cool 200 millions off you mis infomed haters because they know you are not going to research anything.
Bud Wiser
February 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
And the government does not already interfere in the free market?
Does the stimulus and saving of GM and Chrysler not ring a bell in that thick gourd you call a brain?
You’ll have to do better than that.
You too have an invalid point.
Mick
February 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
Bill moyer is intelligent and progressive. You guys are perpetually hung up on this libs thing, like it is some sort of species? I liked william f. buckley, barry goldwater, those are true conservative with intelligence. The rest? Trying to appeal to the lowest denominator. Oh and don’t wet your pants, dan rather was a great reporter…
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
2:11 pm
Mitt Romney
“Ann drives a couple Cadillacs, actually.”
F*kin Welfare, EBT Queen.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
Doom: I see the problem. I’m talking about lies and deliberate misinformation, and you’re talking about plain bias. I concede most outlets have some bias, but I hardly see many major news outlets with liberal leaning bias (unless you mean reporting factual information). MSNBC does, on its opinion shows, for sure. CNN leans conservative, as does ABC. The rest are mostly neutral, and if any bias is there it’s not with a national political agenda, or on purpose, as it clearly is with Fox News. Do you get my point?
RB from Gwinnett
February 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
The deserts werent always deserts? What?!!!! You mean climate change happened before all these greedy oil companies forced us to burn all this fossil fuel? Amazing!! And to think for 8 years it was all the fault of Bush’s bad environmental policy ..
Or do you want to pretend that wasn’t the liberal mantra of the 00’s too?!!
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:12 pm
Huge example of media bias that liberal simply can’t understand…
http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/journalists-denying-liberal-bias-part-one
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
Bud Wiser – “or are you a product of the Georgia education system?”
Geebus, how many times do I have to post this?
Elementary – Lincoln School – Brigham City, Utah
Box Elder Jr. High – Brigham City, Utah
Box Elder High School – Brigham City, Utah
Undergrad – BA – Finance – Utah State University, Logan Utah
Internship – Fidelity Investments – Salt Lake City, Utah
Graduate School – MBA – Finance – University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT.
1st Job – Fideltiy Investments – Salt Lake City, Utah
2nd Job – JP Turner – Atlanta, GA
Last Job – CitiGroup – New York City, New York
Current status – Retired – Residence – New York City, New York.
Now, how bout your schoolin Bud?
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:13 pm
Joseph
It would help your cause tremendously to show media bias if you used an unbiased, impartial source to point to that bias. I don’t know about many others here, but that link you posted at 2:03 has less credibility than a wooden nickel sitting atop a termite mound. When you go to find out about a group and read this, amongst other things, on their about us page, it makes a real thinking person wonder if they’re being unbiased or whether they have an ax to grind.
http://www.mrc.org/static/about-us
The Media Research Center Celebrates 25 Years of Fighting Liberal Media Bias!
The Media Research Center is proud to celebrate 25 years of holding the liberal media accountable for shamelessly advancing a left-wing agenda, distorting the truth, and vilifying the conservative movement.
Since 1987, our unwavering commitment to neutralizing left-wing bias in the news media and popular culture has influenced how millions of Americans perceive so-called objective reporting.
We’re grateful to our fans, grassroots supporters, and donors for allowing us to fight liberal media bias for a quarter century. Your passion for our cause has helped us achieve extraordinary success in shaping public opinion. Here’s to the next 25 years of forcing the media to “Tell the Truth!”
Normal
February 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
I see Joseph’s mother taught him good manners…I bet she’s soooo proud.
Joseph
February 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
Adam:
Again show proof of an actual lie!!!!
TaxPayer
February 24th, 2012
2:14 pm
Clearly, what our oil producers need are some tax breaks. That will bring down gas prices instantly. Tax breaks even cure the gout while increasing tax revenue. And of course we must get rid of regulations. Next to tax cuts, reduced regulations do the most good. Reduced regulations cure the common cold and create jobs all at once.
Just ask any Republican. They’ll tell you.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:15 pm
Adam – The way I’m seeing it, if you’re looking at CNN and claiming it is conservative leaning, and I look at it and think it is liberal leaning. And we both concede that Fox is conservative and MSNBC is liberal, then CNN is probably somewhere in the middle, and if both of us are dissatisfied with it, then they’re probably doing a good job. (And obviously, I’m extrapolating from the two of us, to conservatives and liberals everywhere).
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
(ir)Rational
Sorry about that. I see no reason to pretty things up. I just call it as I see it. People want Obama to interfere with the free market. Obama is not doing that. That would give him the appearance of upholding Conservative free market principles just a bit more than actual conservatives. That’s just my view, though.
AmVet - Like most decent Americans, I'm a Marxist.
February 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
Provide absolutly (sic) no examples that FOX “lies”….
This garbage, AGAIN?!
Are you truly contending that there are not many, many, many examples???
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YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 24th, 2012
2:16 pm
Brosephus™ – Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
12:15 pm
Bruno
Uh oh, not only am I a nerdy White guy trapped in a big Black body, but now I have not cred. What’s a Black White guy supposed to do?
Run for president?
finn mccool
February 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
Our reliance on foreign oil is the lowest in 16years.
The faster we get to $8 gallon oil, the faster we switch energy sources.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
2:20 pm
What happened to Bud Wiser, is he on a PBR and Marlboro break?
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:21 pm
Butch – That’s worser! Claiming an edumacation from Utah (them backwards, un-Christian Mormons) is better than a good gubmit edumacation from Georgia is just wrong. Facts is facts man. Georgia is way more better than Utah.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:21 pm
No media bias Adam? Follow the money trail.
I have a suggestion Adam. Follow the money trail in 2008 as to where national media correspondents put their money below and then try and tell me with a straight face that there is no media bias. Source is Wiki.
Gallup Polls show that most Americans do not have confidence in the mass media. In 2011 a 60% majority saw a media bias, with 47% saying mass media was too liberal, 13% too conservative.
Liberal bias in the media occurs when liberal ideas have undue influence on the coverage or selection of news stories.
Conservative critics of the media say some bias exists within a wide variety of media channels including network news shows of CBS, ABC, and NBC, cable channels CNN and MSNBC, as well as major newspapers, news-wires, and radio outlets, especially CBS News, Newsweek, and the New York Times.[19] These arguments intensified when it was revealed that the Democratic Party received a total donation of $1,020,816, given by 1,160 employees of the three major broadcast television networks (NBC, CBS, ABC), while the Republican Party received only $142,863 via 193 donations.[20] Both of these figures represent donations made in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States
hello?
February 24th, 2012
2:21 pm
yes, it’s me. are you there? say hi to charlie.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
Towncrier — “I think I did and the following statement proves it for me: “*Giving up* on trying to be objective, either because it’s difficult, it’s not historically supported or for whatever reason means that one’s not even trying.”
Willfully misrepresenting another poster’s position will get you banned from Kyle Wingfield’s blog, so I suggest you don’t try doing that over there.
I think you didn’t and that statement supports what I’m saying. You appear to me to be *excusing* failure even to *try* to be objective, Furthermore, you’re blithely saying ‘oh, well, it’s always been that way’ as if that was some sort of justification for a failure to even try to be objective. If anyone’s excusing bias and excusing a failure to strive for objectivity, it’s you.
I haven’t said or suggested that mistakes or errors in objectivity mean that one’s not trying. I’ve been quite clear that failure to *correct* one’s own mistakes mean that one’s not trying. Your attempt to recast my position has been noted and rejected.
“All I can say is thank goodness for your perspicacity (or is that just an instance of unrestrained over-generalization?)! You might note that I had the honesty to admit to Adam in another post that a great many liberal journalists probably strive to keep personal bias out of their news coverage. I haven’t heard you concede anything positive about the Fox News network. If you have, please point me to the appropriate posts.”
We’re talking about objectivity here, not playing ’say a good thing before you say a bad thing.’ If you want to have some sort of considered discussion about FNC and how they conduct their business, we can certainly do that. However, I’m not bound to conduct my discussion according to your rules or dance to your tune.
“If not, then I can only conclude you are not very objective.”
Given your diversion and misrepresentation above, I can only conclude that you have some hidden motive in presenting your binary choice to me. I actually have a completely different opinion than the two choices you’ve presented to me. Perhaps, if you exhibit a little good will and collegiality, I might share my actual opinion with you instead of choosing from the two BS ones you placed before me.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
Bro – Its all good. I just thought it was cold to point out a truth to somebody when that truth could possibly spark a mental breakdown.
Normal
February 24th, 2012
2:22 pm
“The faster we get to $8 gallon oil, the faster we switch energy sources.”
Finn,
But I bet the “Big Oil Boys” are already buying up all the alternate energy companies they can get their hands on…
Jimmy Jack "I think I hear banjo music!"
February 24th, 2012
2:23 pm
Last year for the first time ever, fuel became the top export of the US— the big refineries shipped 117 million gallons of gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel PER DAY OUT OF OUR COUNTRY. Suddenly, fuel exports are bigger in dollar value than the foreign sales of American aircraft, agriculture, or any other product. We consumers whom are dependent on those fuels have been soaked in the past year by gas prices that averaged $3.52 per gallon— a record high!. This price shock has given the GOP and other Big Oil Puppets an excuse to scream endlessly about the urgent need to “build that pipeline”— or the mantra, “drill here, drill now!”. These ranters don’t mention Big Oils control and manipulation of our gasoline supply for there own profit. Refiners refuse to reveal how much they profit from exporting fuel — the more they send overseas, the LESS there is at home,thus creating an excuse to jack up prices. The XL pipeline coupled with “drill here, drill now” mentality, will not lower domestic fuel prices, but enhance the profits enjoyed by Big Oil. What a scam!.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
2:23 pm
(ir)Rational – “Facts is facts man. Georgia is way more better than Utah.”
LOL, tell Bud that. For some reason he seems to think it’s inferior.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
Thulsa – So, we ignoring me? Or did you not see my post directed at you? Or are you just not going to provide an answer?
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
That Guy
Run for president?
Nah, I don’t have the patience to smile quietly while people attempt to dissect every single thing I’ve done in my lifetime. I don’t think many people would connect with the Angry Black Man candidate.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
2:25 pm
(ir)Rational: Hmm. What shows and personalities are you referring to when you say you see CNN as liberal leaning?
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
Brocephus,
Go to MRC’s site. Of course its biased in that it reports the bias in liberal media. But the quotes, videos, of liberal bias are pretty obvious. And pretty real. And then there is the matter of wiki and the gallup poll on media bias. And as I pointed out above look at where all the money went from the major networks. You cannot look at the donations of these people and sit there with a straight face and say there is no liberal media bias and that the biases of this mass of news media people favoring the Ds does not seep into their coverage. It would be in defiance of the law of common sense.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
Butch – Considering you’re retired now, I doubt I could find statistics for when you were in school (did they keep them on stone tablets that you chiseled on?), but it actually appears that Utah might have slipped a little lower than Georgia in the latest rankings.
http://www.edweek.org/media/ew/qc/2011/QualityCounts2011_PressRelease.pdf
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
(ir)Rational
I didn’t think about that. Crap!! Now, if I hear about somebody going bat shiite crazy this evening, I’m gonna feel all guilty and stuff.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
2:26 pm
RB: The deserts werent always deserts? What?!!!! You mean climate change happened before all these greedy oil companies forced us to burn all this fossil fuel? Amazing!!
Oh Lord. Way to deflect and move the goal posts.
Now how about answering to your original incorrect idea that oil isn’t from fossils? Care to give that one a go? I know it is hard to admit fault, but trust me it is something that is a sign of strength, not weakness.
AmVet - Like most decent Americans, I'm a Marxist.
February 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
And this one really cracks me up…
…list FOX as they list themselves. Fair and balanced becuase they do have quite a few liberals on….
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
Doom
I’m not arguing that there is no liberal bias. My point is that, if you want to prove that to me, don’t cite a group that has the appearance of bias themselves. Pointing directly to the polls would be far better than directing someone to a site that looks like a conservative media attack group. Appearances have an effect on an argument whether it’s an intended effect or not.
Towncrier
February 24th, 2012
2:28 pm
“Again show proof of an actual lie!!!!”
Geez, buddy, you sure go down kicking and screaming. I could produce for you a list of examples of direct evidence for liberal media bias, but my feeling is that if you really want to know the truth, you will discover that for yourself. That is you hear something you are disinclined to believe, but you do the work to see if it is really untrue like you feel. TD has cited a few examples in a couple posts. I didn’t see where you responded to them (I could have missed it). If you didn’t, then you are to some extent hearing what your itching ears want to hear.
Do I think Fox News has gone overboard at times? Yes. Do I think they are truly “fair and balanced”? No. But Murdoch, whatever else may be said about him, is a shrewd business man. In creating Fox, I suspect he was filling a void not being filled by anyone else – namely, a counterpoint to the one-sided (and sometimes of often liberal) presentation of mainstream media. It appears he was on to something. I, for one, am not going to say he is a moral man. I therefore believe he did this not necessarily because he is a conservative himself (or he may be only somewhat so), but because it was a business opportunity.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
2:29 pm
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:24 pm
Thulsa – So, we ignoring me?
Yep. Pretty much. When you start off with the nonsensical rhetoric that you displayed at the beginning of the day you don’t warrant much of my attention. If you have a reasoned argument then I’ll listen to you. If you don’t I won’t.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:30 pm
Adam – Are you crazy man? I don’t watch CNN!
Seriously though, it has been so long since I’ve watched any of those channels, that I just don’t remember. From what I do remember, I remember not liking Wolf Blitzer, or James Carville, but like I said, I haven’t watched any 24 hour news channel in so long that I seriously can’t remember.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
2:32 pm
Thulsa – Good to know.
Everyone – Thulsa has a policy that if you present a question he can’t argue that goes against what he thinks, he ignores you, and calls it “nonsensical rhetoric.” Just thought I would put that out there so everyone could know.