Travelin’ down ‘a long and winding road, that leads ….’

According to John Lennon, his bandmate Paul McCartney wrote this song “back in the Cavern days” in Liverpool, which would put McCartney at about 20 years of age.

Today, the 69-year-old McCartney is looking at 64 from the opposite end of the time scale, peering back at it instead of forward to it. When he performs it today, an already wistful little ditty no doubt takes on an even more sepia tone.

But why, you may ask, did I choose to post this now? Well, 33 years ago today, my bride and I said our “I do”s, and the passage of time does make you think a little differently about such things.

Happy Anniversary, Babe.

“Will you still need me, will you still feed me,
When I’m sixty-four?”

– Jay Bookman

800 comments Add your comment

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February 24th, 2012
3:44 pm

Congratulations Jay! You are one lucky B’stard to have her keep you that long!

They BOTH suck

February 24th, 2012
3:47 pm

Great selection and Congrats JB

(ir)Rational

February 24th, 2012
3:49 pm

Don’t have speakers here, but anything by the Beatles is a good selection. Congrats Jay. Hope I make it that long without her killing me.

carlosgvv

February 24th, 2012
3:51 pm

Congratulations Jay! In this day and age of every other marriage ending in divorce, you and your missus set an excellent example for many of us to follow.

Peadawg

February 24th, 2012
3:53 pm

Congrats Jay. My wife and I are at 4…hopefully we have many more to come!

Not sure if it’s your style, but this is a great song to let your wife hear. It’s “Warmness of the Soul” by Avenged Sevenfold back when they first started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC2vsE51GCU

My wife loves it.

Willydoit?

February 24th, 2012
3:54 pm

You da man Jay!! 33 years and she is still smiling!!!

Congrats!

josef

February 24th, 2012
3:58 pm

Mazel Tov, you old f*rt! Got our own 36 coming up March, 4…tell the Missus if somebody ahhs and says “and I bet it seems like just yesterday,” Unmnetionable says she can say “nope, seems like 33 long, grinding, years!”

But really…doesn’t time fly when you’re having fun?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjof0glp_as&feature=related

TaxPayer

February 24th, 2012
3:58 pm

Best wishes on you and your wife’s 33rd anniversary, Jay.

Granny Godzilla

February 24th, 2012
3:59 pm

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:02 pm

The Beatles are fun, not great. (I know that could open up years of debate) Just MO.

achooo.

http://www.reuters.com/video/2012/02/23/reuters-tv-obamas-secret-drone-war-explained-by-reu?videoId=230652301&videoChannel=117851

whoops.

paleo-neo Plutocrat

February 24th, 2012
4:02 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0LAs7X5ybE

as the joke goes; my wife and I are celebrating 20 years of marital happiness… of course, we’ve been married for 33 years. I’ve married three times with a net total of 9.5 years (but the most recent/current, which represents .75 years is pretty darn good).

Redneck

February 24th, 2012
4:03 pm

Congratulations. Here is to 33 more.

Thulsa Doom

February 24th, 2012
4:04 pm

Congrats to the blog sheriff. Nice selection too.

godless heathen

February 24th, 2012
4:05 pm

Congrats, Jay.

ByteMe

February 24th, 2012
4:06 pm

After long enough time, you get to know a lot about your mate’s style. And what’s not her style…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNG4zeq9Srw&ob=av2e

AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater

February 24th, 2012
4:07 pm

Mazel Tov, Mr and Mrs. Bookman!

Many more and here’s to hoping that…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP4apO4dbhw

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:09 pm

Happy Ann, El Dibloggo, and bride.

Bhorsoft

February 24th, 2012
4:10 pm

Congrats to U & the Missus on the anniversary. Who says liberals don’t know anything about marriage.

godless heathen

February 24th, 2012
4:12 pm

Jay: You springing for some vino and dinner tonight?

http://youtu.be/vxBjKa8KcW0

AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater

February 24th, 2012
4:13 pm

Jm, I wish I could find that article with a bunch of no-name critics lambasting all of the acknowledged masters of this era. Stuff like Bob Marley’s lyrics were trite, the Beach Boys harmonies were so so, etc.

You’d have fit right in!

ByteMe, that reminded me of this fun little ditty from a wonderful LP…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5bmFL3gzUc

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:14 pm

Amvet. I would never say Bob Marley’s lyrics were trite. Love the guy.

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:17 pm

Amvet. You know a past master in part by how much his music is still played, decades after they’re gone. While the Beatles still get played plenty (at home), I hear Bob Marley far more than the Beatles. Maybe just my radio stations…… can’t recall the last time I heard a Beatles song on the radio.

ByteMe

February 24th, 2012
4:20 pm

AmVet, I clicked and then looked away to work on something else and it took a full minute to figure out who was singing/speaking. Then I smiled. Thanks.

Jam Man

February 24th, 2012
4:20 pm

Sorry for that inappropriate moniker in my first two posts! It’s FNM and time to lay down our swords of words.

For Jm and the millions of other Robert Nesta Marley fans…

Every man got the right to decide his own destiny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqFJJmfWNsg

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:21 pm

sneeeeezes. zoiks
http://www.smartmoney.com/spend/family-money/why-college-aid-makes-college-more-expensive-1330033152060/

Lesley Turner, a PhD candidate at Columbia University, looked at data on aid from 1996 to 2008 and calculated that, on average, schools increased Pell Grant recipients’ prices by $17 in response to every $100 of Pell Grant aid. More selective nonprofit schools’ response was largest and these schools raised prices by $66 for every $100 of Pell Grant aid.

…..

After adjusting for differences among schools, the authors find that Title IV-eligible schools charge tuition that is 75% higher than the others. That’s roughly equal to the amount of the aid received by students at these schools.

Studies like these suggest that if one goal of government is to make college affordable, aid should become more thoughtful instead of merely more plentiful. And the total cost of federal spending on college isn’t fully known. That’s because spending on loans dwarfs that on grants. Student loans recently eclipsed credit card debt

—-
phew. apologies

Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??

February 24th, 2012
4:22 pm

Happy Anniversary Jay and congrats on 33 years. Are you sure you’re not some super duper, secretey, closeted, family values conservative???

:)

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:23 pm

Speaking of greats….. Frank Sinatra………. love me some Frankie

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:25 pm

Radiohead….. obviously awesome, don’t know if they’ll be a “great” band 30 years from now though.

On the other hand, I fully expect George Clinton to be played for decades more….

jm

February 24th, 2012
4:28 pm

James Brown, Ray Charles, Prince, Bob Dylan…….. timeless (or mostly so).

Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??

February 24th, 2012
4:29 pm

It’s not The Beatles, but you should try this one tonight…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqrH0PKBdbs

:twisted:

josef

February 24th, 2012
4:30 pm

Brosephus

I’ve been claiming Jaybird’s an orthodox conservative on some issues…this must be one of them…and that’s a good thing… :-)

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
4:31 pm

33 years?!?? 3 and out for me. I guess my attention span isn’t that long.

You know, there’s lots of ways to love, but there’s only one way to rock. A nod to JamVet with this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtHaFEbUNr8

BTW, Jam, I chatted with @2 last night at Kyle’s. She’s still trashing you, man. ;-)

Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent

February 24th, 2012
4:35 pm

Jay – Damn man you look great for having been married 33 years (and possibly 64yo)

:-)

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
4:39 pm

Brosephus–In order to help you with your indoctrination as a Con, I found some good, moral conservative music for you to study up on:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL7xrYWReis

Jay–Was this your wedding song?? I’m going to have to make a special trip to The Yacht Club and get you drunk out of your mind and make you fess up one of these days.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 24th, 2012
4:39 pm

Well, it’s might nice of Bookman’s missus to hang around that long. Far as I know, he don’t even have a pickup or anything else that’s big.

Headed for Billy Bob’s in a few minutes, soon as I can get this truck back to the warehouse and get my tally sheet checked in. I’ll be checking out this blog once in a while, hoping somebody will post a good country song. Meantime, here’s one that Bookman can dedicate to his missus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbH_sDyWZqo

They BOTH suck

February 24th, 2012
4:40 pm

Bro

Nice Isaac Hayes tune…………………… I will match you one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F2OAn0KcsE

Everyone have a safe and great weekend

Peace

josef

February 24th, 2012
4:40 pm

Mattiality

February 24th, 2012
4:43 pm

Congratulations, Mr. and Mrs. Bookman!

Best wishes for a wonderful celebration, and another awesome 33 years!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDeHAM93fuc

Jam Man

February 24th, 2012
4:49 pm

Bruno, not sure if you caught it, but I sent out a HUGE shoutout to you for that Stevie Wonder sign off last night for the day crew. Very cool and very righteous.

More Marley…

From the very first time
I blessed my eyes on you girl
My heart said follow through

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6NNGVHrqho

Brosephus™

February 24th, 2012
5:00 pm

Bruno

For a minute, I thought you were pulling my leg… The first two times I tried to click your link, I got an error message. Y’all forgive me for this long post, but I’ve gotta post the first error message that came up on my screen from Bruno’s 4:39 link…

500 Internal Server Error
Sorry, something went wrong.

A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation.

If you see them, show them this information:

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Brosephus™

February 24th, 2012
5:01 pm

If, by chance, those trained monkeys come by any of your houses, can y’all pass that message on for me.

K. thx.

Towncrier

February 24th, 2012
5:03 pm

“The Beatles are fun, not great. (I know that could open up years of debate) Just MO. ”

I don’t think there would be a lot of debate, for it is obvious they achieved greatness on some level. I am not sure it can be denied that Lennon and McCartney were one of the best song writing duos in the 20th century (whatever one thinks of their musical and vocal skills).

Congrats, Jay. Continued best wishes to you.

WOODSTOCK MIKE

February 24th, 2012
5:08 pm

Democrats, please read. What’s interesting is that Democrats don’t even believe this is true, strange…

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prospernow/2012/02/24/obamas-sneak-attack-on-senior-citizens/

pogo

February 24th, 2012
5:16 pm

33 years married is not to be scoffed at. I am 22 in and would have it no other way. Sadly, there seems to be a shrinking number of us geezers (and of course the geese) that are the only ones that believe in the “mate for life” thing nowadays. Sadly, the norm now is that relationships are as expendable and disposable as everything else.

Congrats Jay.

Thomas

February 24th, 2012
5:17 pm

Brosephus @ 5-

fully agree- very few others will. you and I are on the same page

Erwin's cat

February 24th, 2012
5:18 pm

pogo

February 24th, 2012
5:19 pm

Mattiality

February 24th, 2012
5:22 pm

Woodstock Mike,

This is Friday night music, AND it’s Mr. Bookman’s anniversary. Do you go to parties and dump this kind of *bleep* on your friends? Not only would I not believe any link that begins with a credit card company advertisement, but you’re just being RUDE!

0311/1811

February 24th, 2012
5:23 pm

JAY:

Congratulations.

“The Ten Commandments (pun intended) of Love”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abui4cUClw0&feature=related

Boris Badnoff

February 24th, 2012
5:25 pm

Now for an infusion of raw talent American style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSsJmrI2XFg

pogo

February 24th, 2012
5:29 pm

Common Sense, “They Airbrushed his Face” ! (Reference REM album).

Orange12

February 24th, 2012
5:32 pm

I like to hear a story with a seemingly happy ending. Good for you and yours Jay. My ex took 50% of my military retirement.

markie mark

February 24th, 2012
5:35 pm

Congrats Jay….working on 24 yrs myself….33 seems a looooong way off…..(some days, further than others…..LOL)

josef

February 24th, 2012
5:37 pm

MIKE
Anybody ever tell you you’re a t*rd in the punchbowl of life… :-)

BRO

Yeah, I’m looking for those, too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmH9ahaTt7k&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL3B60F96B2D986E2C

Old Timer

February 24th, 2012
5:38 pm

Just hit 37 years last October (I married late.) As Jay can tell you, it takes patience.

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
5:40 pm

Congrats Jay. Surprised no one played this one yet……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SnsbIsUTEs

Stevie Ray

February 24th, 2012
5:40 pm

JAY,

Nice play. Of course you are quite an anomaly with that tenure in time when honoring that particular contract is not terribly fashionable. Be proud and do what she says.

Congrats…

Stevie Ray

February 24th, 2012
5:43 pm

BTW,

After 33 years, perhaps it’s time to spin Love Serenade per Barry White….”I want you the way you came into this life…”

Jam Man

February 24th, 2012
5:50 pm

pogo. leave it to you to play a creme de la creme Fab Four video. (Silly young whippersnappers.) (grin.)

A huge Beatles fan…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSvm3DuhvKI

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
5:52 pm

josef!!!!!!!!!!!! I may have found a decent Cajun place in Duluth. They opened last Thursday. I’ll let you know tomorrow if it’s worth the drive. Today we split the Jambalaya (trio, sausage, shrimp, and chicken), a side of gumbo and a side of red beans and rice. Tomorrow dude said he is going to make some roast beef po’boys. I think I’ll drive back up there to check that out. If he can make a decent roast beef po’boy I’ll give him an official stamp of approval. Oh, we got there too late for the “boofay” but among the items were seafood piquant and shrimp boudin.

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
5:53 pm

Crap, I hit enter before I added the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnKOVPXhlnE

Jam Man

February 24th, 2012
5:59 pm

Fred and josef, I think you boys still got NOLA on your Fat Tuesday minds.

My dad, Bogalusa born, would have been 82 today. I still miss him. I almost started tearing up at a client’s this morning, suddenly remembering that it was his birthday.

For you, Adrian…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt-ruDNndvI

Jm

February 24th, 2012
6:01 pm

Congress passed bipartisan legislation this week. What kind of nefarious activity could they both agree on?? :)

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
6:06 pm

Jam Man. It was fun talking to the owner of that place today. We were kinda “feeling each other out’ as it were by asking about different so called cajun places around here. He’s from the western part of the state so his jambalaya is “brown’ while I alwayds made ‘new orelans style” which has some tomatoes in it. But his gumbo was spot on. File gumbo. LOL I’m ready to go back for supper tonight………..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M366oATKBns

Jm

February 24th, 2012
6:06 pm

I saw Scott Brown this week.

Ted Kennedy’s ghost has been following him like the papparazi and subsequently decided to reak havoc on my laptop.

The tedster strikes again.

Jm

February 24th, 2012
6:16 pm

If Obama loses, will his mother in law stay moved in with them back in Chicago?

Oh the horror. :) Poor guy.

Jm

February 24th, 2012
6:20 pm

Ok liberals. This will brighten your evening and provide a very very good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHAfs1fA-OE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
6:27 pm

Bruno, not sure if you caught it, but I sent out a HUGE shoutout to you for that Stevie Wonder sign off last night for the day crew. Very cool and very righteous.

All the credit goes to Stevie, of course. My contribution was pretty minimal.

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
6:31 pm

Jm–Wait til they see who the “Mystery Candidate” is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wh9NOBgJkA

AlohaVampire

February 24th, 2012
6:39 pm

Congratulations Mr and Mrs Bookman,

Long and winding roads…

Here’s to my high school sweetheart who left me at age 22 cuz I didn’t want to get married…

I still regret my dumb mistake almost 30 years later…

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=BKvee-w0uBc

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
7:03 pm

I think someone put this Ambrosia song up a few weeks ago, but it’s so good, I have to put it up again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSINZiPOVUI

Is FNM DOA this week??

TaxPayer

February 24th, 2012
7:08 pm

stands for decibels

February 24th, 2012
7:08 pm

33 years married is not to be scoffed at. I am 22 in and would have it no other way.

Mrs. sfd & me as well. yep.

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
7:24 pm

Since no one around, I guess it’s ok to put up some crappy 80s pop:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAuOCluflKQ

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
7:28 pm

How about some crappy 80s rock? A guilty pleasure for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNRIwlc_hd0

Lady50

February 24th, 2012
7:31 pm

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
7:32 pm

Anyone remember GTR?? Steve Hackett and Steve Howe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zejJFqthxUg

josef

February 24th, 2012
7:40 pm

FRED

Thanks for the heads up on the new place…my test? Hot sausage po’boy and etouffee…I do like the western LA versions…ours at home tends to be the eastern and Bayou Teche versions…I do more Creole than Cajun and Unmentionable is vice-versa…good mix in the kitchen…

ZamVet

Yep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIXJxJoUOdU&feature=related

Soothsayer

February 24th, 2012
7:45 pm

And they said it wouldn’t last! Who knew?

godless heathen

February 24th, 2012
7:46 pm

William

February 24th, 2012
8:07 pm

Jay. Why is Obama such a lying jagoff?

josef

February 24th, 2012
8:17 pm

ZamVet

You remember her…RIP…one of the reasons I’m in a bit of a blue funk…my Mom introduced me to her music…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUH0sdS6Df0&feature=related

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
8:17 pm

Well, maybe Mick and moonbat betty will drop by later to liven things up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzDANlLe-0s&feature=related

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 24th, 2012
8:20 pm

Well, I see things is kind of dead on this blog. They’re hopping here at Billy Bob’s. Anyhow, I thought I’d come on and play a good old country song in honor of Bookman’s anniversary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSfjp1ky4Mw&ob=av2n

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
8:20 pm

josef–I’m thinking about taking the plunge and going to The Muppets Movie. The damn thing is getting 4 1/2 stars. What do you think??

godless heathen

February 24th, 2012
8:21 pm

Going to “The Funnel” at Folkston, GA tomorrow because:

http://youtu.be/SG6HK4tkG5k

Jerome Horwitz

February 24th, 2012
8:26 pm

Congratulations! We’ll catch you two in August. We’ve probably both done better than we deserve.

josef

February 24th, 2012
8:33 pm

BRUNO

It’s supposed to be really good…of course I’ll wait until it’s for the kids’ movie day…

heathen

I had one of those weeks, too! Have you ever been to Folkston for that? It’s definitely something different…I love trains, myself…one of my hobbies is doing little moss-garden-villages n-scale..I make the buildings “from scratch…”

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
8:34 pm

Congrats to JB.

Crank this one up on your Bose speakers, home boy.

I didn’t realize how much this kicked until I heard it in “high fidelity” he he.

And it did rock. (this particular recording doesn’t do it justice tho)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOOiZAHFvfc

godless heathen

February 24th, 2012
8:35 pm

No josef, it will be my first visit. Going geocaching there and back.

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
8:36 pm

Awesome kickoff, betty. Been kind of dead here tonight. I guess no one believes in love anymore. :-(

godless heathen

February 24th, 2012
8:38 pm

josef, Those train models are cool. Been thinking about selling a bunch of R/C aircraft and getting a “train set”.

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
8:40 pm

they just shy Bruno.

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
8:41 pm

did Bookman ever reveal what their “first dance” song was?

Maybe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaOyoVS-IAI

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
8:42 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 24th, 2012
8:42 pm

Jay, congrats on your anniversary.

josef

February 24th, 2012
8:49 pm

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
8:51 pm

Some great 80’s gooyeeness.

This goes out to a dear friend who passed almost a year ago today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iug0X6cJDDM

Recon 0311 2533

February 24th, 2012
8:55 pm

M.B., Sorry for the loss of your friend.

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
8:58 pm

josef

February 24th, 2012
9:01 pm

Was feeling kinda Petty tonight myself…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqmFxgEGKH0

godless heathen

February 24th, 2012
9:02 pm

OK. Bruno. You want to go down the sad song road.

http://youtu.be/CKXhIMgTsrE

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
9:04 pm

Thanks Recon.

He was the man. And a great pilot.

Someone played this recently and it was a song that he said he used during 10 mile humps with full gear to keep going…pushing you past your limits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqUa_G1h3pw

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
9:12 pm

Don't Forget

February 24th, 2012
9:12 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 24th, 2012
9:12 pm

M.B,

Aviators were outstanding warriors and risked their lives under the most difficult conditions for ground infantry. They still do for this generation. God keep you, who mourn and them.

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
9:14 pm

Nice Alison Krauss, heathen.

Another Petty favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e25p0Y3Vd38&feature=related

Good to see you, DF.

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
9:20 pm

Ok, time for some fun now.

I don’t know, I love this geetar duet for some reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nugXkgd_-84

Don't Forget

February 24th, 2012
9:22 pm

Hey Bruno, good Petty choice and good to see you too.

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
9:24 pm

it was a song that he said he used during 10 mile humps with full gear to keep going…pushing you past your limits:

Great pizza delivery song also, betty!!

A girl I worked with at Domino’s Pizza 27 years ago just got in touch. She works at one of the law offices in town now, 3 kids and 3 husbands later. Looking forward to having lunch with her next week.

DebbieDoRight

February 24th, 2012
9:24 pm

I’m a little late, but congrats Jay!! 33 years! Wow!! Some can’t make it for 33 months……………….

I don’t know the appropriate song to play for an anniversary, but I’ve decided just to do one about love….

Here ya go Jay — Congrats again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g13qTy-llok&feature=related

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
9:27 pm

Alright, DF going with the RatDog. LOL. Jay did throw up “Cold Rain and Snow” a while back when I was on hiatus from FNM.

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
9:27 pm

About time some folks came on. Did someone mention sad songs? I can’t imagine any sadder than this……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlE2J9Yj7U4&feature=slpl

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
9:28 pm

“Great pizza delivery song also, betty!!”

different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fayGQX-j6sg

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
9:30 pm

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
9:41 pm

Geez, Fred, nothing like throwing a bucket of cold water on the party like that at 9:27. Some of us have been there ourselves, and it isn’t much fun.

0311/1811

February 24th, 2012
9:44 pm

josef:

“Chutzpah is a Yiddish word meaning having gall…brazen nerve…effrontery…sheer guts…plus arrogance.

It’s Yiddish and, as Leo Rosten writes, no other word, and no other language, can do it justice. Example…

A little old lady sold pretzels on a street corner for a dollar each.
Every day a young man would leave his office building at lunch time
And as he passed the pretzel stand, he would leave her a dollar, but
Never take a pretzel.

This offering went on for more than three years. The two of them
Never spoke. One day as the young man passed the old lady’s stand
And left his dollar as usual, the pretzel lady spoke to him for the first
Time in over three years. Without blinking an eye she said:

“They’re a dollar and a quarter now.”

DebbieDoRight

February 24th, 2012
9:46 pm

A avorite Of Mine

Another favorite

There’s nothing wrong with a little blue eyed soul….

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
9:46 pm

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
9:46 pm

Sorry Bruno, I was feeling melancholy too. Maybe I should have stuck with this one……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5ATj0DG-W4

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
9:50 pm

Don't Forget

February 24th, 2012
9:53 pm

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
9:27 pm

Alright, DF going with the RatDog. LOL. Jay did throw up “Cold Rain and Snow” a while back when I was on hiatus from FNM.

Sorry I missed the CR&S I’m here less that half the times these days. That Ratdog cd, “evening moods” is pretty damn good IMO. I had to listen to it a few times to get into it but pretty solid the whole way through.

Mick

February 24th, 2012
9:56 pm

Jay

Congratulations and very cool that your love endures!!!

Here is probably one of the greatest love songs ever and it makes so much more sense when you are with the one you love-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrW7dlDHH28

Bruno

February 24th, 2012
9:57 pm

Hot Sade, DDR.

Gotta run, guys. Going to see a band with PlatinumBlack.

DebbieDoRight

February 24th, 2012
9:57 pm

here’s another great love song……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-idDbIfGvw

Mick

February 24th, 2012
10:07 pm

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
10:12 pm

Anyone else having problems with the blog loading? Time outs and such? I occasionally have problems here yet the rest of the AJC loads as do other sites……..

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
10:16 pm

“Anyone else having problems with the blog loading? ”

Yes, Fred. That’s when Kamchak wants you out. j/k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0JFiMEFW7Q

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
10:17 pm

DebbieDoRight

February 24th, 2012
10:21 pm

Wow Betty, Jermaine Stewart!!??!! You’re scaring me Betty — i might accidentally start liking you…..

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
10:22 pm

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
10:25 pm

DDR, “Home” rocks. Thank you.

Didn’t you play “Just a Swingin” one time?

Love it.

I’ll go dig it up now.

DebbieDoRight

February 24th, 2012
10:32 pm

yep sure did play swinging. One of my favorite songs — i LOVE country music; don’t get to hear it much at home, (listen to a lot of opera at home); but when I’m at my sisters-in-laws i listen to a lot of rap and rock n roll. so it’s good to hear country music and share it with others.

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
10:35 pm

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
10:36 pm

This is it DDR.

You make make me smile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07_rnlBezQg

Jam Man

February 24th, 2012
10:40 pm

You folks know great music and that is why Friday nights here are so fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3RWqFlvJs

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
10:41 pm

I know a woman named Charlotte Johnson lol.

Jam Man

February 24th, 2012
10:51 pm

This Stevie Wonder song is truly representative of his great spirit and talent.

One of a kind and a hero to all of us…

Let God’s love shine within to save our evil souls
For those who don’t believe will never see the light
“Where is my God” – He lives inside of me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk9XBPE3Hwk

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
10:53 pm

This is for getalife, but I assume he is staggering around Bourbon St. right about now. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu4emT6btH4

DebbieDoRight

February 24th, 2012
11:01 pm

Thanks Betty!! Here’s some Georgia Satellite for ya! Have a good night and we can bicker again tomorrow! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdpAop7gp0w

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:01 pm

Jam Man

February 24th, 2012
11:02 pm

Never was into thrash metal all that much, but I dig the energy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZNkLyQSZVg

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:05 pm

DDR, I gotta a little change in my pocket, goin’ jinga jinga ling. lol

Thanks.

Take care

RW-(the original)

February 24th, 2012
11:06 pm

Am I unbanned or is the page just acting strange? If it’s the former, greetings Jay’s peeps and if it’s the latter none of you will see this anyway.

Congrats on 33 Jay B, that woman is a Saint…..or nuts

RW-(the original)

February 24th, 2012
11:11 pm

Oh and as for those kind of year totals, in theme…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVC2cszdTao

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:14 pm

RW! Greetings.

This site is always acting strange.

and..Where have you been?

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:18 pm

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
11:26 pm

RW-(the original)

February 24th, 2012
11:11 pm

Oh and as for those kind of year totals, in theme…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVC2cszdTao
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Nice. I played that one last week or maybe this week on one of the threads. Great tune.

Were you banned? LOL me too. Then one day I came back to see if I could post and lo and behold…….. well here is to your return……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws

Tom Middleton

February 24th, 2012
11:29 pm

If you’ve kept her this long, Jay, you’ve got her for life. At this point, it’d be waaaay too much trouble for her to have to break in another one in all the right places…lol. Congrats, Sir!

Mick

February 24th, 2012
11:32 pm

rw

Long time, no see…hope life is dealing you some aces-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPslBGjuRL0

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:34 pm

Fred, usually, you get a warning before you get banned.

I never do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsdWEEb2SjE

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
11:35 pm

Hey Mick. I ain’t said hi lol. Nice tune. I know it wasn’t for me but thanks anyway. I snagged it and added it to a playlist. I had forgotten about that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqLh3OcwvyI&feature=related

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:36 pm

Mick

February 24th, 2012
11:39 pm

Moonbat

Yes, the floyd is always welcome in my house….here’s one without roger-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGBM5vWiBLo&feature=related

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
11:43 pm

moonbat: Are you sure? I never go back to a thread once I’ve left it, so if I get a warning I don’t see it. Well if I try to post and find I’m banned I’ll go back to see ande sometimes I see something, sometimes I don’t. But most times (on any forum) I know I’m “crossing the line” when I post but just don’t give a damn. I’ve always been kind of a “damn the torpedo’s full speed ahead” kinda guy. It has always served me. Sometimes well, sometimes not so well………. Kinda like the last verse of the song I’m gonna play.

The old man had a vision, it was hard for me to follow
I do things my way, pay an awfully high price
When I think back on the old man and the bus ride
Now that I’m older I can see he was right

Another hot one out on highway eleven
This is my life, it’s what I’ve chosen to do
There’s no free rides and no one said it’d be easy

The old man told me this my son I’m telling it to you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN-jaqezWBU

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:44 pm

Mick, wasn’t sure if you liked the non-roger. I prefer the old stuff, but still…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iAt1eQagPA

Mick

February 24th, 2012
11:50 pm

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
11:51 pm

Yo Mick: Here’s one of Roger Waters without that non founding member band name stealing because he couldn’t sell albums under his own name, rat bastich David Gilmour……….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGXVU2CbNs&feature=related

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:53 pm

moonbat betty

February 24th, 2012
11:56 pm

Mick

February 24th, 2012
11:56 pm

Fred ™

February 24th, 2012
11:59 pm

LOL Moonbat Betty, you knew I had to go here after your awesome Highlander clip……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=748IjOdrjwg

Mick

February 25th, 2012
12:04 am

bman

February 25th, 2012
12:04 am

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:05 am

Mick, nice one (added it to my classics playlist). Here is one similar back atcha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wDHvmCVRxU&list=FLBFI9bcIcPzzTDjgPb0CnJA&index=25&feature=plpp_video

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
12:08 am

Oh, yeah, Fred.

ALL DA WAY TURNT UP

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69CMT63nz-c

Mick

February 25th, 2012
12:10 am

fred

I was around when that song came out…loved it then, still think it is a unique classic even now-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHLXnyY537c

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:11 am

You did it to me again dammit. I had forgotten that song too Mick. I can’t even remember the last time I heard it. Saved it too. Well I see your 80’s hair metal band and raise you another lol. Then I’m gonna see if I can find you a 90’s crazy band (just thought of another song, gotta see if it’s on youtube).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-LRLdrG-IM&list=PL4FBF8CCC8D975A45&index=13&feature=plpp_video

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
12:16 am

Ha ha, Tesla rocked. (Modern Day Cowboy too)

I gotta give some props to my man Ronnie James Dio:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:17 am

I’ve never heard that one MB. I like it though. My “rap experience” is spotty at best. I like what I like and don’t care so much for the rest. I liked that Dina Rae I linked earlier (that you never commented on lol) but other stuff of hers I don’t like. I was gonna played an earlier one but then I saw this one and I can never pass it up lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy4FXhkm6Nw&list=PLFEC2271481083DE8&index=10&feature=plpp_video

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
12:20 am

Super 90’s.

Don’t worry about it ma’am.

Just those damn Yankees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_uh8XjgLTE

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:21 am

Nice Dio MB. I love that song. This one is for you and Mick both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQk9hbI9OLE&ob=av2e

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
12:25 am

Sorry, Fred, never heard Ms. Dina but she was pretty hot.

Holy Cow, “Bust A Move” is iconic and goes out to ANYONE who was in Athens, GA and went to O’Malley’s in the 90’s.

They’d know what I mean.

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
12:31 am

Geez, you can’t listen to a song without having some corporate bs shoved down your throat.

A little bass play:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYDfwUJzYQg&ob=av2e

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:31 am

Here is the other 90’s I was gonna play. Love this tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_3CvrKWQe0

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:39 am

Holy crap Moonbat Betty. That Primus video was one scary video. Those plastic pants and chaps had me shivering lol.

Loved the bass though.

Here’s the other Jackyl song I really like. Well I say the other like there are only two, but there is one more. Gotta see if I can find it……

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0fRwAbrHI&feature=relmfu

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
12:41 am

Great Honey Suckle Blues, Fred.

Athens is like no other. Hell ya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaF_-tirFeU

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:48 am

Always loved me some Crowes Moonbat. I’ll let you listen to this one while I listen to your Drive by truckers lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_5U0M9ErGA&feature=related

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
12:51 am

No need to be trashing David Gilmour, Fred. His solo albums were great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1N84wemDNk

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
12:51 am

She talks to angles is beautiful, Fred.

Mick

February 25th, 2012
12:53 am

OK kids, nice tunes going but I’m running out of gas, here’s a closer…nite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k838gLRT7tg

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
1:02 am

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:02 am

LOL Mick, you always get in some good ones.

Bruno: I beg to differ. His solo crap tanked. I remember having to play some on a radio station in college. It was really bad. There is a REASON he ditched his “solo” efforts and stole the name of the band he didn’t create away from Waters. He ain’t waters and couldn’t sell on his name. Waters had no problem.

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
1:06 am

Yes, Bruno, it’s all good.

Closing time.

Hopefully no ads:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAS-pvQ06s4

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:11 am

Bruno@ 1:02: Really? That wasn’t a song that did much for me except re-enforce my opinion. The first two minutes of SIMPLE CHORD PROGRESSION FOLLOWED, (dammit cap lock, too lazy to retype. sorry), by a shift up? I skimmed the rest, sorry, didn’t hold my interest. Opinions vary I reckon.

Funny thing is though, I liked the stuff he did after he stole the Pink Floyd name from Waters. I liked this album and this song……..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiN2MuAXF0g

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:12 am

Nice tune Betty. The ads only appear when you watch the song lol, not when you link it. night.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
1:12 am

From Wiki, Fred:

“David has recorded four solo albums, all four of which charted in the US Top 40 (2006’s On an Island peaked at No. 6 in 2006, 2008’s Live in Gdansk peaked at #26, his 1978 self-titled solo debut peaked at No. 29 in 1978 and 1984’s About Face peaked at No. 32 in 1984).”

Sounds pretty good to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYv3GUey3×8&feature=related

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
1:14 am

after he stole the Pink Floyd name from Waters

He didn’t act alone. The other two founding members of the band stayed with Gilmour which gave it legitimacy. It was Waters who broke away, not the other way around.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:15 am

I gotta split too. nice Bruno. We can disagree on the purity of Floyd another day lol.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
1:18 am

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:19 am

Bruno: IF you have a copy of that album, look and see how it’s set up. Gilmour is the only “pink floyd” member listed. The other two are after thoughts. Richard Wright was paid as a studio musician and is listed as such.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:20 am

moonbat betty

February 25th, 2012
1:22 am

I hate it when I see someone trashing a piece of music. Just because you don’t appreciate it, doesn’t mean someone else can not find beauty in it.

Music, to me, is something that can capture a moment in time and bring that moment in time back to all of your senses.

I think everyone has a song that sticks out in their past that reminded of them of a particular situation, that they would have not liked other wise. Right?

So, music, like art, is in the eye of the beholder.

Good night.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:28 am

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:28 am

Oh hell better yet. I just found this “final cut’ lol.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:29 am

And I didn’t link the damn video. Where’s my sign?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPpJCZb-L8&feature=related

Bud Wiser

February 25th, 2012
6:42 am

It is nice to hear of marriages that endure the most difficult test of all – time.

Congratulations Jay to you and your bride.

Cloudodust

February 25th, 2012
7:40 am

No matter ones political affiliation, a successful marriage is the best true test of a time honored commitment, patience and understanding. God bless your wife for having these traits…

Normal

February 25th, 2012
8:22 am

Good morning all,

Whenever I think of the Beatles, this song comes to mind…if it’s been played already, my apologizes…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3RYvO2X0Oo

St Simons - we're on Island time

February 25th, 2012
8:31 am

the universal beach wish for all newlyweds, and anniversary couples alike
good advice for both – “Be Young, Be Foolish, Be Happy”
by our local heroes – that’s their sons in the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdIZsOzGLF8&feature=related

Road Scholar

February 25th, 2012
8:31 am

Fred: Was the cajun place in Duluth Boudreaux’s? It was in Downtown Duluth for years and just recently moved over to Buford Hwy in the last month. The BEST fried shrimp po-boy around! Shrimp falling off it! The old place was a hole in the wall; looking forward to visiting the new one! They also sell a complete line of cajun goodies (frozen meats, spices, etc.) They used to sell fresh seafood also, esp crawfish.

Oh, congrats Jay! We’re at 36 this year. Just remember those two most important words after “I do”. “Yes, dear” (w/o attitude)!

Mick

February 25th, 2012
9:44 am

HOPE

February 25th, 2012
9:57 am

2/26 Mike Luckovich cartoon: HOPE scholarship — seems Mike is caught up in the “HOPE scholarships are entitlements and not for those who EARN them” mentality….

Remember — Georgia’s HOPE Scholarship is available to Georgia residents who have demonstrated academic achievement.

Libs only see something else to ruin under the illusion of “FAIR”!!!!

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
10:04 am

“seems Mike is caught up in the “HOPE scholarships are entitlements and not for those who EARN them” mentality….”

Nothing like missing the point of a political cartoon to start the day off

Mick

February 25th, 2012
10:04 am

OK, time to get the yard done, have a great day all-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bSpqFrDbBQ&feature=related

Brosephus

February 25th, 2012
10:10 am

Libs only see something else to ruin under the illusion of “FAIR”!!!!

Broad horizontal swipes never look good and have been out of fashion longer than polyester lesiure suits. Funny how many knee jerk conservatives seem to not be able to discern humor, irony, or sarcasm very well. Oh well, that’s just par for the course around these here parts…

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
10:50 am

Hope,

Well now we all know Luckovich is about as kook left as they come. Lets just hope that they don’t call in the fairness czar. He can then sick the fairness police on the offenders- most likely Republicans, and bring them to the fairness court.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
10:56 am

I see that misinterpretation is rampant today

HOPE

February 25th, 2012
10:57 am

Speaking of “fair”, and more on point —

Geithner: ‘Privilege of Being an American’ Is Why Rich Need Higher Taxes

“That’s the kind of balance you need,” said Geithner. “Why is that the case? Because if you don’t try to generate more revenues through tax reform, if you don’t ask, you know, the most fortunate Americans to bear a slightly larger burden of the privilege of being an American, then you have to — the only way to achieve fiscal sustainability is through unacceptably deep cuts in benefits for middle class seniors, or unacceptably deep cuts in national security.”

Jam Man

February 25th, 2012
10:59 am

Mike Luckovich, editorial cartoonist for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning in 1995 and 2006. The 2006 award citation praised his powerful cartoons on an array of issues, drawn with a simple but piercing style.

Luckovich began his career at the Greenville News, then went to work for the New Orleans Times-Picayune in 1985, where he was a Pulitzer Prize finalist. He joined the AJC in 1989.

He has received several awards, including: Overseas Press Club (1990 and 1993), National Headliner Award (1992 and 2006), Robert F. Kennedy Award for cartoons (1994), Rueben Award for Outstanding Cartoonist of the Year from the National Cartoonists Society (2006), Thomas Nast Award (2006), Sigma Delta Chi Award (2006) and Scripps Howard Award (2009).

Luckovich is syndicated in 150 newspapers and occasionally appears on NPR. His cartoons are frequently reprinted in national publications including Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post and Time.

He is the author of two book of cartoons. The most recent, Four More Wars was published in 2006.

One of the best that this country has ever produced.

Soft, sad and sweet Saturday morning music…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3kfTq7dnTQ&feature=related

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
11:11 am

I see that the interpretation Phd is here to tell us how we must interpret things.

Brosephus

February 25th, 2012
11:11 am

Geithner: ‘Privilege of Being an American’ Is Why Rich Need Higher Taxes

The other alternative is to continue to bequeath tax cut after tax cut to the rich in hopes that they will soon get so much money that they will allow it to trickle back into the economy. At some point, they do get to where they have made all the money they need right? After all, nobody in their right mind would want to create a permanent aristocracy here in the land of freedom and opportunity would they?

:roll:

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
11:17 am

“I see that the interpretation Phd is here to tell us how we must interpret things.”

It’s nice to see that you can admit you did misinterpret his cartoon. Congratulations on your honesty.

Jam Man

February 25th, 2012
11:23 am

Bro,

Cowboy-politician
Suckin’ up to the aristocracy
Not even sure if you like democracy
Tryin’ to establish an American royalty, a personal dynasty

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR8fOgWbsjY

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
11:24 am

I hadn’t even looked at the cartoon. I don’t need to. I just defer to the interpretation Phd to tell me what it say. Congrats on your Phd in cartoon interpretology.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
11:30 am

“I hadn’t even looked at the cartoon”

Then maybe you should before commenting. Either that or get your crystal ball polished

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
11:37 am

Didn’t comment on the cartoon. I commented on Luckovich himself as a cartoonist- Reading comprehension is fundamental. And I commented to another poster and not yourself. Nevertheless your input, your critical expertise in the arena of political cartoonology, and weighty opinion as the blog board cartoon critic is greatly appreciated.

carlosgvv

February 25th, 2012
11:54 am

Brosephus – 11:11

The Republicans will continue, as much as is humanly possible “to bequeath tax cut after tax cut to the rich”. After all, someone has to pay for their election and re-election campaigns. This is obvious. What is perplexing is how transparent they can be with this behavior and still continue to get tons of support from middle and lower middle class voters.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
11:55 am

“And I commented to another poster and not yourself.”

On a public blog, like it or not, you comment to EVERYONE

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
12:01 pm

Looks like I stand corrected. On top of being the resident expert in political cartoonology you also double as the Phd certified expert in the rules, regs, and bylaws of blogology law. I must have violated section C, subsection 2, paragraph 1f that says anyone can comment on anything.

I thank you for the gentle admonishment. For a minute there I was scared you were going to have the blogology police hunt me down.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
12:04 pm

” I must have violated section C, subsection 2, paragraph 1f that says anyone can comment on anything”

Nope. You broke rule #1 “Anyone can comment on any other post”

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
12:05 pm

Carlos,

You might want to pass that memo about the rich only supporting repubs on to Warren Buffet, Jeff Immelt, Goldman Sachs, and plenty of other millionaires and billionaires. Apparently they didn’t get the memo that wealthy people are only supposed to support the republicans.

Jam Man

February 25th, 2012
12:06 pm

ML’s cartoon today is another winner, Doomy.

His representation of the narcissistic, always greedy trophy wife gaming Georgia’s system is pretty funny.

http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/

carlos, perplexing, indeed. Turns out that Ronnie’s trickle down has been the tiniest, slowest trickle in all of recorded plumbing history. But to listen to the faithful it has been a veritable deluge.

And this is the mystery candidate I see some of the faithful bandying about vis a vis a broken convention.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/420639_343764885654780_174612345903369_1052826_1670826825_n.jpg

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
12:07 pm

Hmmm. That musta been the first one of the 10 big ones that the blogogoly god put on a tablet when he handed it to you on the mountaintop. Duly noted!

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
12:10 pm

jam man,

Thank you. Thank you very much. I do love a system that taxes the stupid to pay for the education of the non stupid.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
12:12 pm

“That musta been the first one of the 10 big ones that the blogogoly god put on a tablet when he handed it to you on the mountaintop”

Maybe it would help if you also know about rule #2 – “No one is obligated to reply to any other post”

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
12:14 pm

Maybe it would help if you also know about rule #2 – “No one is obligated to reply to any other post”

Physician heal thyself!

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
12:17 pm

Its been fun but its a beautiful day outside even if it is cold and Doomy gonna get out and enjoy it.

Ya’ll have a great weekend. Doomy out.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
12:19 pm

“Physician heal thyself!”

Ahhh…but you see, I CHOOSE to reply to those posts for which I have a reply. I am not obligated to reply to any of them.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
12:23 pm

“Doomy out”

Well, that’s ONE way to avoid a knee-jerk need to reply to any post!

JohnnyReb

February 25th, 2012
12:25 pm

The AJC has tried to transform itself as a necessity to stay in business. A new editor, ditched Tucker who could not write a piece that didn’t complain about racisim, shuffled the contributors to the editorials, etc. The one remaining road block preventing the paper to be more in-tuen with the majority of Georgian’s is Luckovich.

He may be the best political cartoonist the world have ever known, but his opinons do not reflect the majority of Georgians. Until he is gone and a more middle of the road cartooonist appears, the AJC will continue to be the Liberal rag it so desperately is trying to shed.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:48 pm

I see we are done with the music. Why is it almost always some ignorant right wing nut case that can’t let go of their hate for a thread that starts this? I mean first page it was jm and the Woodstock Mike……… today we get some dip spit who comes here to whine about Luckovich’s cartoon. Just damn.

ROAD SCHOLAR: Yeah, it USED to be Boudreaux’s but they are calling it something else now. It’s behind the Burger King next to Parson’s Hardware (I forget what the place there used to be, I moved ITP 10 years ago and haven’t been up that way much since). Hah, just found the name Boudreaux’s Café Acadiana. We ARE going back tonight lol. Just confirmed it with the boss.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
12:50 pm

Crap. I hit enter too soon and left out the important part and the song lol.

they are going to do crawfish boils in March and expect to get their liquor license sometime in March.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQOlgXaSDy8

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
12:57 pm

OH, NOW THIS IS NICE ………. UNFETTERED LIBERALISM !

Headline: “In order to make sure gays and lesbians are adequately represented on the judicial bench, the state of California is requiring all judges and justices to reveal their sexual orientation. The announcement was made in an internal memo sent to all California judges and justices.”

I wonder if they also have to check “batter or catcher” ?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/california-asks-judges-gay-or-straight_631857.html

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
12:58 pm

WELL, THERE YOU GO ……… YOU WOULD HAVE TO HIT ME TOO BEFORE I WOULD WATCH HIM !

Headline: “A North Stamford father trying to make his 11-year-old son listen to President Barack Obama’s State of the Union speech last month was arrested on a warrant Wednesday, accused of striking his son with a coffee mug when the boy would not pay attention.”

Read more: http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Cops-Dad-hit-son-for-not-watching-Obama-3355490.php#ixzz1nPxJCypw

@2

February 25th, 2012
1:04 pm

Bruno:

BTW, Jam, I chatted with @2 last night at Kyle’s. She’s still trashing you, man.

I didn’t trash him.

Shute! I deemed him holey….said any woman who dances with him would come forth on bended knee(s).

schnirt

Brosephus

February 25th, 2012
1:07 pm

He may be the best political cartoonist the world have ever known, but his opinons do not reflect the majority of Georgians.

I think that most political cartoonists draw based on their reflections and opinions. Maybe, the AJC should enact the AJC fairness doctrine and add a conservative everything for everything that people complain about being liberal. If there is such a market for a conservative newspaper outlet in Georgia, I’m sure the market would have produced a sustainable product by now. After all, it’s been ten plus years since there were two separate major Atlanta newspapers.

Doggone/GA

February 25th, 2012
1:10 pm

Bro – don’t you think it’s kind of a sad state when someone can’t stay away from something they despise? I’m sure there’s some technical term for that kind of obssession…but it’s still sad.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
1:15 pm

Hey two boobs, how ya been? Did you get a red card and a reprieve too?

Jm

February 25th, 2012
2:36 pm

Scout

Liberals are deranged and disturbed people

Like that father

They are power freaks

Oscar

February 25th, 2012
2:48 pm

Jm
_______

I think what is deranged is your definition of liberals. Don’t know what liberal means to you, but it sounds like something weird from fantasy land.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
2:56 pm

Oscar: You won’t get anything rational out of JM. He is one of those people who can not get positive attention so he goes for the negative attention which he gets in full measure. Don’t expect rationality from him.

Woodstock Mike

February 25th, 2012
3:03 pm

It’s not like I believe any Republican candidate is going to swoop in the turn the country around, (I really don’t think things are that bad anyway like the media tries to make you think), but it is so funny to witness Democrats who won’t hold Obama accountable for anything ever, no matter what happens they think he’s just the greatest thiing since sliced bread, here’s another example of extremely poor decision making and is a clear example of why I don’t want to give more of my money to any government, they will continue to piss it away…

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/02/23/another_obama_fundraiser_turns_out_to_be_a_bad_ambassador?wpisrc=obinsite

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
3:13 pm

Gee Woodstock mike, one asshat an administration makes right? So if I think YOU are an asshat does that mean I can decide all people from Woodstock are asshats?

See how silly that sounds?

Disclaimer: I did not say Woodstock Mike is an asshat. I said IF I thought…… blah blah just as an example.

bmab

February 25th, 2012
3:14 pm

Im guessing the price of gas has been on the news a lot in the last day or 2 because, most everyone I talked to today has been complaining about it.. ..

Jam Man

February 25th, 2012
3:32 pm

Bro – don’t you think it’s kind of a sad state when someone can’t stay away from something they despise?

Or someone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UI9MlSjiRA

Dave Dunstan

February 25th, 2012
3:34 pm

Congratulations, Jay.

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
3:39 pm

“Im guessing the price of gas has been on the news a lot in the last day or 2 because, most everyone I talked to today has been complaining about it”

It’s quite likely it’s the other way around, maybe.

bmab

February 25th, 2012
3:42 pm

Doggone.. .. It’s quite likely it’s the other way around? I don’t get it?

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
3:44 pm

“It’s quite likely it’s the other way around? I don’t get it?”

It’s being reported because everyone is talking about it.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
3:50 pm

What she means Bmab (is that a typo you did? Am I actually addressing Bman?), is that it’s the new talk radio republican fox news talking point. Somehow the Republicans have decided that we, the US needs to become socialist or fascist and the Gov’t needs to seize the oil production, refining, and distribution in this country and set thre prices where they want not according to the worlds “free market” prices.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2012
3:51 pm

Boogity Boogity Boogity let’s go racin’ boys!!!!!

NASCAR is baaaaaaaaaack.

bman

February 25th, 2012
3:53 pm

Dog.. .. Ah, yes maybe. Doubt it though …

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

“Ah, yes maybe. Doubt it though”

Well, let me put it this way: Do you REALLY think no one would be talking about gas prices if it wasn’t reported? THAT *I* doubt.

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

Peadawg: And the camel toe eats another wall……….

bman

February 25th, 2012
4:00 pm

Dog.. .. Does a 10% surge In the price of oil be reported? I don’t think everyone I talked with today were republican – if that’s where you’re going with this. Then again. They may have been 100% republican. I have no way of knowing

bman

February 25th, 2012
4:02 pm

Dogg and Fred … I honestly don’t watch any news. I mean…I watch nothing

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
4:02 pm

“I don’t think everyone I talked with today were republican ”

Did I mention anything about political affiliation? Jeez, louise…all I’m saying is people would be talking about gas prices EVEN IF they weren’t being reported. Is that plain enough for you?

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
4:05 pm

What a finish eh Peadawg? It’s pretty funny. I interviewed James Buescher when he won his first Hooters Pro-cup race, then interviewed him when he won his first ARCA race. Both times, they were not only his first wins in the series b ut his first RACE in the series. A seriously good driver who should be in CUP. But then he’s not as pretty as Danica and doesn’t have her camel toe so he has to stuggle for sponsorship.

The best drivers don’t have the rides in NASCAR……..

bman

February 25th, 2012
4:07 pm

Dog.. .. Okay. I’m iphon’n and it’s a little tougher to follow – especially with bad eyes haha

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
4:10 pm

Bman (I thought that was a typo lol) I was just explaining what was going on and why this is such a “topic” right now. FOX , talk radio, and the Republicans have decided it is Obama’s “fault” and are harping to socialize the oil industry in this country. It’s quite amusing.

Gotta split. Honey just dropped the child off for a sleep over B-day party so I get to have a grown up date tonight……….. (not sure what the wife is doing :lol: )

Peadawg

February 25th, 2012
4:12 pm

And again it wasn’t the camel toe’s fault. 2 races, twice she’s been turned into the wall.

Peadawg

February 25th, 2012
4:13 pm

Crazy finish btw

Fred ™

February 25th, 2012
4:21 pm

Peadawg: It wasn’t her fault but she has marginal talent. I could easily name 10 young drivers that could WIN in the cars she hasn’t been able to place top ten in the last couple of years since she started ARCA and then Busch, I mean Nationwide series. Not to mention now that she’s in Cup.

I can name 3 female drivers better than Danica………….

bman

February 25th, 2012
4:26 pm

Ok Fred .. .. I.guess that’s what’s making some people so hot about gas. I had one old lady tell me today she would bring out the horse and buggy, but that only wealthy people own those these days lol

bman

February 25th, 2012
4:27 pm

Doggone is a female?

Jm

February 25th, 2012
4:59 pm

“I can name 3 female drivers better than Danica………….”

Tee them up genius.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
5:14 pm

Time to get Obama out of the White House. Economic policy and foreign policy in relationship to the mess he’s been creating has this president unworthy for a second term. You would need to be ideologically blinded and spending your whole day on left wing blogs to believe otherwise.

Sports Car Guy

February 25th, 2012
5:15 pm

Jm – Katherine Legge, Simona Di Salvestro, Lynn St. James, Janet Guthrie. Not Milka Duno!

Sports Car Guy

February 25th, 2012
5:16 pm

Oh, and a pretty good NASCAR race today.

Jm

February 25th, 2012
5:23 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
5:29 pm

Jm, thank you…I’ll take that as an Amen. We’ll see how many agree or fall among the ideologically blinded on here.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
5:31 pm

Romney wins it all in 012. My prediction.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
5:39 pm

Danica, wins either in her car or wearing her Victoria Secret.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 25th, 2012
5:44 pm

Well, the TV stations are trying their best to drive me crazy. Putting car racing and the World Golf Match Play Championship on at the same time. I almost felt like grabbing a golf club and flooring it down the road in my F-450.

Anyhow, it’s pretty clear the truce of FNM is over today. I can’t figure out how most folks here can be so nice to each other on Friday night and so nasty the rest of the week. Almost time for me to get ready for Billy Bob’s. Have a good Saturday night everybody and don’t forget to go to church tomorrow morning. Some of you could sure use some preaching. Or a butt-whomping, I can’t figure out which.

josef

February 25th, 2012
5:57 pm

Okay, who’s being nasty to whom and for reason… :-)

paulo977

February 25th, 2012
6:19 pm

Jay
_______________________________
Congratulations …… don’t let the ‘moment’ escape …We have only one shot at it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ersI701S3zE

Jm

February 25th, 2012
6:53 pm

Recon

I sure hope Romney wins it all

He would make a great president

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
6:58 pm

Josef,

Who being mean? Not Doomy. I publicly lauded doggones storied academic accomplishments on the previous page so you knows Doomy is playing nicety.

Thulsa Doom

February 25th, 2012
7:01 pm

Fyi i’m at the bar drinkin so the Libs could be a source of Doomys amusement tonight. Beware Libs! ER

josef

February 25th, 2012
7:02 pm

Thulsa

Well, thass no fun a’tall… :-)

Jm
“He would make a great president”

He can’t even make up his mind…whichever way the wind’s blowing…

Jm

February 25th, 2012
7:14 pm

Afghanistan is turning into a godawful mess. Big time.

Is jay asleep at the switch as usual?

Jm

February 25th, 2012
7:17 pm

Josef

He knows exactly what he wants to do

Fix the spending, help the middle class, reform the tax code, and fix the deficit

carlosgvv

February 25th, 2012
7:19 pm

Our casuality numbers continue to rise in Afghanistan. Our people accidently burn some Korans and the Afghans go mad. They fill the streets shouting “death to America”. WHY WON’T ANY OF OUR ELECTED POLITICIANS STAND UP AND DEMAND WE GET OUT OF THERE NOW?

josef

February 25th, 2012
7:24 pm

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
7:25 pm

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
7:34 pm

Mick

February 25th, 2012
7:34 pm

Mick

February 25th, 2012
7:38 pm

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
7:38 pm

I can’t sleep with your warm ways…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ4i6H70_LY

Jam Man

February 25th, 2012
7:42 pm

Back at ya, B.

Maybe he most badass rocker, ever…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlI1iprFng4

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
7:42 pm

Mick–I always thought that was a weird song, in a good way, of course.

Pop at its finest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzwO4iW3P0Q&feature=related

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
7:45 pm

Dowdy…not instep with America. She was a bit of fox in her day but those days are far gone. Old hippies from the 60’s and 70’s of course can’t get out of the past but it’s over, get used to it.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
7:47 pm

Headline: “A senior Pentagon official apologized Friday to Washington-area Muslims for the burning of Qurans at a military base in Afghanistan.”

This makes me want to barf.

Now if the Koran is burned in this country is that “free speech” or prosecutable “hate speech” ?

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
7:48 pm

Maybe he most badass rocker, ever…

Not sure about that distinction, but one thing I always liked about Tom is his low key stage presence. He doesn’t need to jump around, or wear an outlandish costume. He lets the music do all the talking for him.

Jam Man

February 25th, 2012
7:48 pm

From an album that “gained cult status as it has never seen an official CD release.”

I paid $30 for a pristine copy of the LP back in the 90s…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCFiUokJPHo

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
7:49 pm

TUNIS, Tunisia (AP) — “U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday warned of backsliding in the democratic transformations under way in the Mideast and North Africa, and appealed for countries in the region to fulfill the promise of reform offered by the Arab Spring.”

Well know kidding my dear. Where have you been the last few months. Your so called “Arab Spring” is turning into Islamic Terrorist States !

Oh, and don’t you owe an apology for burning those Korans also ?

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
7:51 pm

Out to the movies…..

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
7:52 pm

You can burn the flag you can burn the Bible but don’t burn the Quran or there will be a hit or fatwa put out on your life and the left will excuse it.

Mick

February 25th, 2012
7:52 pm

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
7:54 pm

Headline: “Muslim concerned about NYPD surveillance of mosques.”

Solution: Turn in the suspected terrorists in your midst voluntarily.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
7:55 pm

RECON:

I’m tired of “kowtowing” to Neanderthals.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
7:55 pm

Umm, kept us safe? who can be certain.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:01 pm

0311/1811,

I can recall being called a Neanderthal many years ago. No I wouldn’t put that tag on them today, rather I would refer to them as misinformed and misguided Americans.

Mick

February 25th, 2012
8:03 pm

recon

Was that the mantra about the previous president? I guess it doesn’t count for obama, except he did get bin laden whereas the previous guy did a lot talk but no action. oops, wrong war…

josef

February 25th, 2012
8:04 pm

SCOUT

“Solution: Turn in the suspected terrorists in your midst voluntarily.”

You are being unfair. Go back and review the number of terrorists against whom charges have been brought (keeping us safe) and see just how many were brought to the attention of the authrorities chaged with these investigations by members of the Islamic community. All concerned make a specific point or acknowledging the support of our fellow countrymen of the Islamic faith…

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
8:05 pm

“When will America realize that the infidel by any name is still an infidel?

We have poured trillions of dollars into Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Egypt, to say nothing of what is more precious than money—the blood of the brave men and women of the United States military. And for what?

To watch Iran’s influence permeate Iraq? To see the butcher of Teheran hold and raise hands with the propped-up presidents of Afghanistan and Pakistan? If there is a picture worth a billion words, that is it. That picture of Islamic unity is like using American sacrifice and tax dollars to jab a finger in America’s eye.

Some misguided policymakers in Washington, D.C. actually think we can do good in Syria by supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda types against Bashar al-Assad, the Shiite dictator and ally of Shiite Iran. Those policymakers will say we need to abide by our humanitarian principles and support the revolutionaries, regardless of their Islamic stripes.

However, helping one Islamic militant faction against another is a huge mistake. They know how to use America to serve their long-term purposes, and the ultimate outcome will backfire against us just like it did in Egypt and Libya.

Although history repeatedly shows how our good intentions in the Middle East go awry, we are apparently so desperate for our enemies’ approval that we will abandon knowledge altogether.

What happened to wisdom? What happened to statesmen who take into account historic and sectarian divisions? What happened to judicious diplomacy? Jesus speaks of being wise as serpents and gentle as doves, yet when I look at our foreign policymakers, I see very little serpent-like sagaciousness.

There is a saying in the Arab/Muslim world that truly reflects how various Islamic factions view one another: “My brother and I against my cousin, but my cousin and I against the stranger.”

Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq and Pakistan may bomb each other, but we will always be the stranger, the infidel. The holding and raising of those three leaders’ hands is like a middle-finger salute to America and the West. They proclaim that “my cousin and I are against you.”

No matter how many trillions of dollars we pour into those countries, they will always hate the infidels. If the riots and the killing of two American soldiers in Afghanistan last week do not convince our policymakers of the desperate need for wisdom, then even the threat of our demise may not do it.

Our citizens and leaders who truly understand that region must not surrender to the abandonment of wisdom. We must change our approach and return to judicious diplomacy. The protection of our tax dollars, the lives of our soldiers, and ultimately, our very survival depends on it.

Knowing that part of the world as I do, and having confidence in the principled core of some American leaders, I will keep on pleading for real change as long as I live.

Michael Youssef

josef

February 25th, 2012
8:06 pm

Oh for the love of Pete, Obama didn’t “get bin Laden” and Bush didn’t “not get bin Laden.” Our security forces got bin Laden.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
8:07 pm

RECON:

I was referring to “Islamic terrorists” as the Neanderthals. And that is exactly what they are.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
8:07 pm

josef @ 8:06

Thank you.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
8:08 pm

josef:

NYPD, the Mayor, the FBI and many other police departments (and judges who sign the surveillance warrants) do not think I am being unfair.

josef

February 25th, 2012
8:12 pm

SCOUT

Yes, they do. Just because they see the need, warrented or not, for surveillance warrents, does not mean per force that they do not acknowledge the response of the Islamic commuity in the country…

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:13 pm

mick,

I’m certain that you’re an intelligent guy who really knows that Obama didn’t take down OBL all by himself and on his watch. There was considerable intelligence that was gathered prior to Obama even setting foot in the White House that contributed to making that operation possible.

paulo977

February 25th, 2012
8:13 pm

carlosgv Our people accidently burn some Korans and the Afghans go mad.

______________________________________________ :

You HAVE to be kidding!!!!!

Mick

February 25th, 2012
8:14 pm

josef

**Oh for the love of Pete**

Never cared much for pete, although I do use peat moss for my plants, they don’t need as much water. Of course it’s all silliness, but why rain on my parade?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-HPayKwmqM

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
8:15 pm

“Oh for the love of Pete, Obama didn’t “get bin Laden” and Bush didn’t “not get bin Laden.” Our security forces got bin Laden”

By that logic, they also DIDN’T get Bin Laden. What was the difference? The man who was President.

Mick

February 25th, 2012
8:16 pm

recon

He pulled the trigger to green light the mission, if it had failed you would have exscorsiated the man! Just sayin…

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:16 pm

0311/1811,

I refer to them as slime balls who need to be eradicated by whatever means possible.

josef

February 25th, 2012
8:24 pm

Mick…

It wasn’t directed spefically to you… :-)

And the song…one my all time favorites with great memories attached…

josef

February 25th, 2012
8:25 pm

Doggone

Yep, that, too!

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:27 pm

mick,

Sorry but there have been reports that describe Obama as being reluctant to green light the mission and what caused him to do so was the knowledge that based on prior intelligence gathered prior to him taking office would have made him looked weak. He may have done so based on political considerations and not on national security considerations. I don’t know and you don’t know.

Mick

February 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

recon@8:27

Garbage…later

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
8:30 pm

“Yep, that, too”

And that does mean it’s not so far off to say Obama “got Bin Laden” and Bush didn’t. That isn’t giving Obama credit for that actual work, but would it have happened without his “Go” command? Well, it didn’t happen when there was NO “Go” command.

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
8:34 pm

“He may have done so based on political considerations and not on national security considerations. I don’t know and you don’t know.”

And personally, I don’t care. He gave the command and the mission was successful.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:34 pm

mick@8:30

I’ll accept your surrender… Enjoy your evening.

josef

February 25th, 2012
8:35 pm

Doggone

Reckon maybe there was no go command because intelligence didn’t ask for it…? Could be…

******
And for those who want to call Obama a wuss, it’s a pretty ballsy President who puts out a hit on American citizens…

Mick

February 25th, 2012
8:40 pm

recon

Surrender? You first have to win something. Good luck inside your world, I’ll take a pass…

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
8:40 pm

“Reckon maybe there was no go command because intelligence didn’t ask for it…? Could be”

We may never know. At this point in time, all we can know is the command was given and the mission was successful. Obama gave that command, he gets the credit for it.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:41 pm

Doggone,

I know this will trouble you but Obama played a minor role. It was intelligence that was gathered long before he set foot in office. It was the CIA intelligence gathering over several years and operationally it was that SEAL team special operations unit closing the deal.

TaxPayer

February 25th, 2012
8:41 pm

Don’t fret, Republicans. Obama will be your president too during his second term.

The Thin Guy

February 25th, 2012
8:42 pm

This is the actual big news of the day

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/renowned_physicist_hawking_regular_usOh44cqUIkishSkhXbdXI

The universe is held together with G Strings

Jam Man

February 25th, 2012
8:43 pm

Mick, notwithstanding Neil’s pageboy, that is a great video. Watching those chicks rock at to that one is a gas, huh?

Book burners and record burners are one weird ass bunch. Theirs and ours. Not much difference that I can see between our Christian fanatics and their Muslim fanatics. They both hate the American president and our form of government! Fortunately we keep our nutjobs on a short leash.

One last one before I head out.

The quiet Beatle would have been 68 today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=drCKvCL93hw

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
8:46 pm

“I know this will trouble you but Obama played a minor role”

So you think. Would that mission have happened without his Go? Enter a sovereign country and complete the assassination of a foreign national? Yeah, I can see the Seals doing THAT one on their own responsibility. Not.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:48 pm

“Obama will be your president too during his second term.”

He wasn’t much of America’s president during his first term, so I’m not very certain he’ll get a second term.

HOPE

February 25th, 2012
8:51 pm

Fred ™ @ 12:48 pm

…Why is it almost always some ignorant right wing nut case that can’t let go of their hate for a thread that starts this? … today we get some dip spit who comes here to whine about Luckovich’s cartoon. Just damn.

Thanks for coming through and confirming my preconceived notions!!!

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
8:51 pm

Obams would have been certain toast had he not approved that mission. Those in the intelligence community and special operations community would have seen to it. Don’t kid yourself.

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
8:53 pm

“Don’t kid yourself.”

Rest easy. I don’t. I know EXACTLY how much credit to give him for that operation. Which appears to be more than YOU can do.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
8:59 pm

RECON:

And he has never (thankfully) been your or my Commander in Chief. Unfortunately, for those still in …… he is.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
9:00 pm

RECON:

Theree were accounts he did try to delay that SEAL Sniper Team taking out the pirates thing and the ship commander just went ahead and gave the “on the spot” order anyway.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
9:03 pm

“Rest easy. I don’t. I know EXACTLY how much credit to give him for that operation. Which appears to be more than YOU can do.”

I don’t have much of a problem resting easy. As for taking credit on the OBL kill, I don’t give the president any credit but you can if you wish.

Josef

February 25th, 2012
9:03 pm

President Obama credited the intelligence/security operatives with “getting” bin Laden. I’ll take his word for it,

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:05 pm

josef: Oh for the love of Pete, Obama didn’t “get bin Laden” and Bush didn’t “not get bin Laden.” Our security forces got bin Laden.

So you’re saying, that Obama, the CIC, had absolutely NOTHING to do with it? You’re saying that just like Reagan and the Iran Contra Affair, Obama had alzheimers at a significant point in the operation? That Obama did NOT order the assassination of BinLaden that it was ALL the “operatives” idea? Is that what you’re saying?

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:10 pm

There was considerable intelligence that was gathered prior to Obama even setting foot in the White House that contributed to making that operation possible

There was considerable intelligence that was gathered prior to Bush even setting foot in the White House also…….

Wonder what they did with that? I wonder if they would’ve LISTENED to the experts if 9/11 would’ve ever happened? I wonder if/when Bush had the chance to kill BinLaden and let him go if he would’ve saved thousands of lives, both Amerian and “other” and billions of dollars?

I also wonder if the anyone with an “R” attached to their name has the cognizant knowledge to telll the truth. Or like the old folks used to say, tell the truth and shame the devil.

Josef

February 25th, 2012
9:12 pm

DDR

No, that is NOT what I’m saying. As I said, I take his word for where the credit goes.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:16 pm

Sorry but there have been reports that describe Obama as being reluctant to green light the mission

Oh so you’re saying that you are privy to inside intelligence that is highly classified? I mean since you’ve actually SEEN these reports you must be 007 or something and have all this knowledge at your fingertips that you are just itching to get out — correct?

I am just a weeee bit tired of some of ya’ll blatant lies. I hope when all of you oh-so-religious liars meet your maker the same stick you used to judge, lie on, and disparge your neighbor is used on you.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:18 pm

that’s a dodge josef and you know it. you know how the government works, you know who’s in charge of major decisions. thats why he’s called the CIC.

for your to pretend otherwise is not only innocuous but ridiculous too.

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
9:18 pm

“I don’t give the president any credit ”

That really goes without saying. If you think it comes as a surprise to us, or a shock, you’re sadly mistaken.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
9:20 pm

Debbie, I’ll address you by name. Clinton let OBL go free after the Saudi’s offered him up. There was no proven actionable intelligence for the first year of the Bush administration to act upon that would have prevented 9-11. Clinton’s team was asleep at the switch or at least Bill was, or maybe he was to busy chasing interns around the oval office to pay attention.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:25 pm

Recon – There have been book after book after BOOK, and ALL of them from Bush’s own cabinet, that contradicts that LIE that you just told at 9:20.

Only someone who is blinded by HATE and refuses to see reason would even repeat a lie like that.

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
9:26 pm

“Clinton let OBL go free after the Saudi’s offered him up”

Why don’t you try being honest for a change and tell the WHOLE story of that particular event? Especially the part about we had NO REASON to “take” him off the Saudis hands. That’s why they “offered” him…because they didn’t have anything actionable on him at the time either.

“What is not in dispute at all is the fact that, in early 1996, American officials regarded Osama bin Laden as a financier of terrorism and not as a mastermind largely because, at the time, there was no real evidence that bin Laden had harmed American citizens. So even if the Sudanese government really did offer to hand bin Laden over, the U.S. would have had no grounds for detaining him. In fact, the Justice Department did not secure an indictment against bin Laden until 1998 – at which point Clinton did order a cruise missile attack on an al Qaeda camp in an attempt to kill bin Laden.”
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/clinton-passed-on-killing-bin-laden/

Josef

February 25th, 2012
9:27 pm

DDR

Dodging what? You’re being silly right now. What I said was in no way meant to demean the President, but simply to say that he didn’t “get” bin Laden and moreover he has objected to people saying he did. I’m following HIS lead here because this is what true leadership means…no egoism and no partisanship..

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:32 pm

It’s a dodge and you know it. The CIC makes a decision like that — so he didn’t want to give himself credit for it, so what? You KNOW it was his decision to do it. If he would’ve failed, there would’ve been PLENTY OF PEOPLE willing to give him credit for his failure.

Fair is far, give him credit for his success.

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
9:34 pm

“There have been book after book after BOOK, and ALL of them from Bush’s own cabinet, that contradicts that LIE that you just told”

Debbie where are the books darlin? Media Matters, the Huffington Post? Get off the Kool-Aid. I thought you’re a lawyer but the case that you’re trying to make here is weak at best.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:39 pm

Thought I’d give a refresher course to some of you oh-so-religious who profess a love of God but hate your neighbor…

And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

You shall not murder.

You shall not commit adultery.

You shall not steal.

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
9:41 pm

DDR – good attempt, but remember pathological liars don’t always know they ARE telling lies.

Josef

February 25th, 2012
9:42 pm

DDR

Oh, get real, Did I ever once say had it failed he wouldn’t have been blamed? Of course he would have been, but that would have been just as much a crock of happy horse manure. And in case you may have missed it, I went off on his detractors yapping about him and his staying in the background while the mission was in progress. And where have I not credited him with showing leadership…

Yes, he’s CIC…so I should, as some here would like to do, “blame” him for burning the Koran and bringing on the attacks on US personnel in the riots now taking their toll?

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
9:45 pm

“o I should, as some here would like to do, “blame” him for burning the Koran and bringing on the attacks on US personnel in the riots now taking their toll?”

Did he order that burning?

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
9:47 pm

Amusing that some refer to lies but cannot make any specific reference to a lie much less prove their allegation.

Josef

February 25th, 2012
9:49 pm

Oh,this is futile…we’re not even speaking the same language…white flag and g’night… :-)

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
9:50 pm

josef,

me too.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
9:50 pm

Howdy, guys, back from the movies. I took PB to Riverdance last week, and we saw the Muppet Movie tonight. I’ve been building up some major “boyfriend points” here lately. ;-)

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
9:53 pm

PlatinumBlack is with me. Let’s get the party back started. Enough time the rest of the week to trash Obama.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:54 pm

Here’s one – By McClellan (i’ll post the others in a few)

What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception” (Public Affairs, $27.95):

• McClellan charges that Bush relied on “propaganda” to sell the war.

• He says the White House press corps was too easy on the administration during the run-up to the war.

• He admits that some of his own assertions from the briefing room podium turned out to be “badly misguided.”

• The longtime Bush loyalist also suggests that two top aides held a secret West Wing meeting to get their story straight about the CIA leak case at a time when federal prosecutors were after them — and McClellan was continuing to defend them despite mounting evidence they had not given him all the facts.

• McClellan asserts that the aides — Karl Rove, the president’s senior adviser, and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the vice president’s chief of staff — “had at best misled” him about their role in the disclosure of former CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity.

PlatinumBlack

February 25th, 2012
9:55 pm

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
9:57 pm

DogGone: DDR – good attempt, but remember pathological liars don’t always know they ARE telling lies

HA!! Somehow I think they know they’re telling lies, they just hope WE don’t know that they are….

Recon 0311 2533

February 25th, 2012
9:59 pm

Oh please that doesn’t prove anything. That’s the best you can do, you’re supposed to be a lawyer. sheesh! Have a nice evening.

PlatinumBlack

February 25th, 2012
9:59 pm

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
10:00 pm

“Somehow I think they know they’re telling lies, they just hope WE don’t know that they are…”

Nah, that’s just a straightforward, garden variety liar. Of course the problem with constantly repeating debunking lies is that more and more often you run up against people who know damn well you’re telling lies.

Doggone/Ga

February 25th, 2012
10:01 pm

I’m out…got some waterfalls to check out tomorrow

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
10:05 pm

I’m out…got some waterfalls to check out tomorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoMyHy-JFFQ

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
10:07 pm

Recon: Oh please that doesn’t prove anything. That’s the best you can do, you’re supposed to be a lawyer. sheesh! Have a nice evening

It proves what i said, that there were books, written by Bush’s STAFF, that refuted that crap you were saying earlier.

Just because you refuse to see the truth, doesn’t mean that it’s not right there staring you in the face. Just open your eyes and then viola, the truth right in front of you, waiting to be acknowledged.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
10:08 pm

DDR–Put some music up.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
10:09 pm

Don’t go chasing waterfalls! Good one Bruno! Well, since i ran everyone off the blog, I’ll turn in too.

I KNEW i should’ve changed my mouthwash and deoderant……

PlatinumBlack

February 25th, 2012
10:10 pm

Just open your eyes and then viola

http://youtu.be/rEPaBpMNWTU

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
10:13 pm

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
10:16 pm

OK Bruno – here’s one for a few of the people on here:

Beautiful Liar

And here’s one for You, Dontcha!

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
10:18 pm

The band we saw last night did a nice cover of this song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRgr9h2iO40

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
10:22 pm

Allright Bruno since it’s just you and me, here’s a quick question – “Would you accept an Open Marriage if your wife presented you with that option?”

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
10:27 pm

Uhhhhh, PB is here, so maybe I better pass on that one for now. ;-)

I will say that whoever put Shakira and Beyonce on the same stage should be nominated for some kind of award.

0311/1811

February 25th, 2012
10:30 pm

Ha! Ha! This is the kind of stuff they only put in movies !!!

Headline: “Ga. Prosecutor Says Judge Pulls Gun in Open Court”

Updated: Saturday, 25 Feb 2012, 7:52 PM EST

DAHLONEGA, Ga. – “Attorneys say a North Georgia judge pulled out his gun in open court while a witness was testifying, a move the prosecutor says was “totally inappropriate.”

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that District Attorney Jeff Langley said Saturday the incident in Lumpkin County Superior Court has been referred to the state Judicial Qualifications Commission, which investigates judicial misconduct.

Langley and another attorney told the newspaper Superior Court Judge David E. Barrett drew his pistol on the bench Wednesday as a woman testified about being assaulted. Langley says the judge appeared frustrated when the witness became uncooperative and offered her his gun, saying, “You might as well shoot your lawyer.”

JQC director Jeff Davis declined to comment. The judge did not immediately return a phone message left at his office.”

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
10:33 pm

Who’s PB? And, it’s just a rhetorical question. PB knows you wouldn’t do that!!!

Anywhoooo answer – If you were a person who worked out of the country and was gone away from your wife at least 6-7 months a year, if your wife came to you and said, “Hey, I want our marriage however, I have needs and I’m sure that you have needs and it’s not fair to either of us this enforced celibacy. So how about we have an understanding that we will see other people with each other’s permission?”

What the heck is wrong with that? Isn’t this like 2012?

PlatinumBlack

February 25th, 2012
10:37 pm

PlatinumBlack

February 25th, 2012
10:40 pm

DDR… nothing wrong if both consenting. 2012 degenerate enough year. Why — you getting some flak?

bman

February 25th, 2012
10:42 pm

dirty talk .. .. Mister Bookman would not approve!

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
10:45 pm

Yeah PB – he’s acting like I shot his puppy or something!! And anyway, he’s not fooling me — he wants me to hold out for him, but I’d bet a year’s paycheck he’s not holding out for ME.

Double standard lives supreme.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
10:45 pm

Don’t listen to PB, Deb.

I’m old fashioned. I think there’s something great about being with only one person. Much healthier physically, emotionally and spiritually.

bman

February 25th, 2012
10:51 pm

6-7 months is nothing. I swore off women for one year in June 2011. I’m finally able to focus a little bit on work.

PlatinumBlack

February 25th, 2012
10:52 pm

DDR… Guess he’s not consenting…

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
10:55 pm

I am in a quandry. I don’t know — for me 6 – 7 months at a time is HELL. I might as well be single.

Thanks for answers folks — I appreciate the feedback and the honesty.

bman

February 25th, 2012
10:57 pm

Bruno .. .. is this the same “PB” you mentioned who enjoys piano, but not Elton John piano?

bman

February 25th, 2012
10:58 pm

debbiedocook .. .. think of how well you will be able to cook after 6-7 months :-)

BADA BING

February 25th, 2012
10:58 pm

What is the deal about muslims being upset because we burnt some Koreans? Were they N Koreans, or S Koreans? Why would the muslims care about Koreans? Do they burn easily? Who would burn Koreans, and why? Was it an accident, or did we burn them on purpose? I need more info about the whole deal before I can form an opini………..What’s that? Korans, not Koreans? Are you sure?………………Never mind.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
11:02 pm

That’s her, bman. She just took off, so just us guys again.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
11:04 pm

bman — yep. why did you boycott girls? I know i’m being nosey, but your comment made me curious.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
11:04 pm

bman–It’s not that she doesn’t recognize his talent. More of a generational thing. She’s a child of the 80s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsozyGR6Eo4

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
11:07 pm

Deb–I will say that military marriages are extremely difficult with all of the separations. Here in Columbus, there’s a Divorce Attorney right outside post with a large sign that says “Walk-ins welcome”.

All I would say is get things straight on the front end, whatever you do. Otherwise he’s going to feel betrayed.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
11:09 pm

bman

February 25th, 2012
11:10 pm

debbiedocook .. .. i was expected to be a certain place at a certain time ALL of the time. I was not taking care of my business, and it was showing. I just decided that I would work as hard (and as smart) as possible for the next year. Anything less than 110% won’t do.. .. especially in this tough economy.

Gotta keep my eye on the ball :-)

bman

February 25th, 2012
11:11 pm

Bruno .. .. ah, i see. lol

bman

February 25th, 2012
11:14 pm

Bruno .. .. good tune. I prefer the solo, live versions of all of EJ’s songs

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
11:15 pm

All I would say is get things straight on the front end, whatever you do. Otherwise he’s going to feel betrayed.

It’s not like he’s been faithful the whole time we’ve been together. I had caught him with some chick when he was in California a few years ago. We worked it out, but i’ve always kept that in the back of my mind; and i’ve always wondered if it’s happened again and i just don’t know about it.

I don’t know. I’m flustered and confused. Since his sister and I were best friends before I ever even met him, I’m afraid that if we broke up I’ll loose not only my best friend but my neice, and my whole extended family. I love my step kids and I don’t wanna loose them.

It’s complicated.

DebbieDoRight

February 25th, 2012
11:26 pm

well thanks for the advice ya’ll. have a great night.

Bruno

February 25th, 2012
11:34 pm

We worked it out, but i’ve always kept that in the back of my mind; and i’ve always wondered if it’s happened again and i just don’t know about it

I’m no Dr. Phil, but personally I wouldn’t stay with someone if I didn’t trust them. Without trust, you got nothing. Best of luck.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
2:21 am

jm – regarding the BEatles – they have not recorded any new music in 40+ years, yet here is a fun song. I consider them great. I would say your perception is skewed.

Oscar

February 26th, 2012
3:04 am

The Beatles were great. Their music still is.

Normal

February 26th, 2012
7:45 am

jm just likes being the f@rt in the room…and he has a secret crush on President Obama, too… ;)

stands for decibels

February 26th, 2012
8:14 am

mornin’.

skimming the comments, I see Thulsa called Luckovich a “kook.”

Think I’ll have about as much luck with asking him to identify which of ML’s sentiments are outside the American public-at-large’s sentiments as I did with our “USMC” after he said this about Jay?

(probably, which is why I’ll just snicker quietly over our right wingers’ insulated, teensy little echo chamber instead.)

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
8:16 am

dB

:lol: :lol:

I get a good snicker at the one’s who repeatedly come here and bash this “liberal rag”. If the AJC is so liberal, why hasn’t the free market created a sustainable and profitable conservative newspaper in Georgia? One would think that a “Red” state would have a complimentary reliable conservative news source.

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2012
8:58 am

Georgia cons prefer FOX on AM radio 100 to 1 over reading. If Rush introduced his rant in printed form, he’d lose his audience.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
9:06 am

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
9:07 am

“he’d lose his audience.”

He’d also have a LOT harder time claiming he didn’t say what “they” said he said.

Jam Man

February 26th, 2012
9:11 am

As it is an opinion blog, I merely chuckled when jm made that odd comment about the Beatles. I suspect he was not a sentient being until they had already disbanded. Simply put, they changed the world, and are in a class of their own.

Debbie, for you…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8hAvVyCfzg

Normal

February 26th, 2012
9:14 am

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
9:16 am

“Simply put, they changed the world, and are in a class of their own.”

Certainly they are. That’s what I told my sister when she said they weren’t really very good. It’s not fair to compare them to bands that came after them, because those bands would probably not even have existed is the Beatles had not come first.

Mighty Righty

February 26th, 2012
9:46 am

Georgia cons prefer FOX on AM radio 100 to 1 over reading. If Rush introduced his rant in printed form, he’d lose his audience.

Rush has a news letter which has a higher circulation than any publication other than U.S.A. Today. The left on the other hand gets their news via boom boxes.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
9:49 am

“Rush has a news letter ”

How much of it does HE write?

Jam Man

February 26th, 2012
9:49 am

Doggone, some people, it seems believe in measuring musical greatness in some sort of empirical or technical way. As if the guitar player who can’t play 64th notes or the piano player who can’t span 13 keys with one hand or the vocalist who doesn’t have a five octave range, that that somehow matters. It does not.

From Dar es Salaam to Kyoto to Rio de Janeiro to Moscow to Mexico City to Berlin to San Francisco, that band ruled the universe for enough time and enough consecutive songs and albums, that NO ONE will ever have the same impact as them. Well, maybe in another two hundred years, who knows?

And when I saw Paul McCartney a few years ago at Piedmont Park it was, for me, a spiritual, magical, once in a lifetime thing. I saw grown men and women cry when he played Please, Please Me. Tell me, who else has that kind of power?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MWVo1fjRsQ

carlosgvv

February 26th, 2012
9:51 am

Our people accidently burned some Korans and the Afghans, in retalitation, have killed four of our soldiers. There is no indication they will stop anytime soon, massing in the streets and yelling “death to America”. On a talk show this morning, I say Gingrich and Romney trying to get as much politicial mileage out of this as possible. Wow!! Are these swell fellows or what????

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:53 am

Josef 7:34 how?

New budget, new legislation.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
9:55 am

“Doggone, some people, it seems believe in measuring musical greatness in some sort of empirical or technical way”

Sure, there are some like that…but a think a lot of them are more like my sister. They are comparing the Beatles to the musicians that came after them, when you can only assess their true impact by comparing them to what came before.

All great musicians take what exists at their time and make it better, before they can make it different. That is what the Beatles did.

I wasn’t a big fan after their first few albums, in particular I wasn’t much of a fan after Sargeant Peppers…but I heard them often enough to hear their influence in many, many bands that came after them.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:00 am

Fill your car up lately?

:)

Obama one termer

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
10:11 am

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/super-pacs-2012/

Here’s an interesting graphic of large donors to GOP affiliated SuperPAC’s. Another interesting thing about the 2012 campaign is that 5 people accounted for 25% of the money raised in January, to the tune of $19 million. Hopefully, this time period won’t be remembered as the time we sold our government to the highest bidder, although I think we’ve already crossed that bridge.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/super-pac-donors-revealed-who-are-the-power-players-in-the-gop-primary/2012/02/21/gIQAPU3BSR_story.html

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
10:11 am

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:12 am

“will you still feed me,
When I’m sixty-four?”

Sexist male chauvinist! Seriously

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:15 am

So a few korans are burned and its ok to kill people

Backwards people

Our military should be firing back instead of being asked to stand down by Obama

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
10:16 am

Rush has a news letter which has a higher circulation than any publication other than U.S.A. Today. The left on the other hand gets their news via boom boxes.

Seems like some enterprising conservative could piggyback on his circulation and start their own conservative newspaper instead of bellyaching about how all the existing ones are so liberal. That is, unless it’s just that conservatives like to complain about things instead of actually doing things.

Jam Man

February 26th, 2012
10:18 am

carlos, to my knowledge, virtually none of these people that the neo-cons have “liberated” (HA!) give a flying ___ about the USA. For example, was there ever a time in Iraq when a large majority of the local people did not want us out of there? Ditto, Afghanistan.

And of course, it works in reverse. It is exceptionally hard to believe that these supposed Christian Republicans, who don’t even give a tinker’s damn about their fellow Americans, are remotely concerned about Muslims in these other countries.

They just love the bloodshed. From afar.

And to Righty’s point, that sickening characteristic sells very, very well to the Limbaugh/Fox/corporate media stooges.

And they can all go to hell, where they belong.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:22 am

Bro

The people who pay all the taxes to support the government should have more say.

Unless you want to go to a real flat tax. Then we would be all equally supporting the government and you’d have a better argument then.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:24 am

“unless it’s just that conservatives like to complain about things instead of actually doing things.”

Bro you do plenty of your own complaining

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:27 am

Meh, I didn’t say the Beatles didn’t influence other bands. But that’s not the metric for a great musician or musicians.

200 years from now will anyone listen to the Beatles? Or even 50 years. Very very few.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
10:29 am

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
10:30 am

The people who pay all the taxes to support the government should have more say.

One person, one vote! Contrary to popular conservative rhetoric, money /= speech. Throwing loads of money into politics only strengthens the corruption we already have. You can continue to cheer for the corruption and eventual collapse of our country, but I won’t.

Bro you do plenty of your own complaining

If you take my expressing opinions as complaining, then you read me wrong. I’m not the one coming here EVERY DAY complaining about liberal this, liberal that, Obama this, Obama that. If I wanted to complain about stuff like that, I would definitely not do it on a regular basis on a left leaning blog for a paper that I consider a liberal rag. Pointing out the idiocy of arguments here is not complaining. I only seek to point out the stupidity amongst us.

carlosgvv

February 26th, 2012
10:35 am

jm – 10:15

Obama should tell the Afghans we won’t sacrifice another single soldier and get our military out NOW. We have done our best to try to help them and this is the thanks we get. Why won’t any of our elected officials stand up and be counted on this?

Midori

February 26th, 2012
10:37 am

. Pointing out the idiocy of arguments here is not complaining. I only seek to point out the stupidity amongst us.

Bro — I could kiss you for that :)

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:38 am

Bro 10:30

The supreme court disagrees. Take it up with them

Yes one person one vote, but spending your money as you see fit to promote your views is a foundation of our democracy.

ByteMe

February 26th, 2012
10:39 am

Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum says President Barack Obama’s apology for the burning of Qurans in Afghanistan was a mistake that demonstrates the president’s “weakness.”

Santorum says that rather than saying he was sorry, Obama should have only acknowledged it was wrong.

So, two questions come to mind, Senator:

If you just acknowledge you’re wrong, but don’t say you’re sorry after burning something your wife loves, how many nights do you have to sleep on the couch?

If Marines accidentally burned a whole lot of Holy Bibles while vacationing in Vatican City and it starts a riot, do you — as President — apologize or just say “our bad!”?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:39 am

Carlosgvv

Obama is pretty much doing that. Troops out next year. You can only move people and equipment so fast if you want to do it in a perfectly sensible fashion.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
10:41 am

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
10:42 am

Midori

I’m kind of cranky today. I’m in one of those no bullsh*t moods. I’ll probably be my kind and gentle self tommorow or something.

Yes one person one vote, but spending your money as you see fit to promote your views is a foundation of our democracy.

LMAO!!!! Only if we were a plutocracy, which it appears you’re cheering for. The governement is supposed to be representative of the people and work for the people, ALL PEOPLE. It is not some kind of play toy that the wealthy can buy and own to use for their personal benefit.

Midori

February 26th, 2012
10:44 am

Bro -

I like it when you’re cranky.

you kinda have that Fred thing going :lol:

Jm

February 26th, 2012
10:46 am

Bro

You have a poor knowledge of history

When this country was founded it was only white male land owners. I’m not advocating turning back the clock. But I think those who pay the bills should (and do) have the right to express their opinion with their money as they see fit.

carlosgvv

February 26th, 2012
10:57 am

Brosephus – 10:42

That’s what it’s suppose to be. Unfortunately, The Republicans have largely succeeded in turning it into a Govt. of the wealthy, by the wealthy and for the wealthy. They have made no effort to hide this. So, it’s puzzling why they still have so many supporters.

Jam Man

February 26th, 2012
11:02 am

Very very few.

OF COURSE, they will. In the year 2062 some kid will hear Something for the first time and flip out.

That you never did, because you are way too young to even know what the hell happened back then doesn’t change that.

Look no farther than a recent FNM here. We spent virtually the entire evening playing nothing but Beatles songs.

Go listen to your Lady Gaga. Or whatever it is that fits your “metric”. LOL

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
11:02 am

jm

If you’re equating people putting money into our political system as a means of speak, yeah, you’re advocating turning back the clock. You’re basically stating that wealthy landowners should be the main ones dictating our political dealings. By trying to tie it to “those who pay the bills”, you’re basically giving the finger to millions of working Americans who pay all kinds of taxes but don’t meet your personal requirement because they don’t pay federal income taxes. You can try to sugarcoat it all you want to, but you’re still trying to sell a bullsh*t sandwich as Kobe steak. I’m not buying it.

Money does not equate speech regardless to how you try to frame it. Contrary to your, and popular conservative, rhetoric, most everybody has skin in the game in some form or fashion. You pay taxes when you buy stuff, and you pay taxes when you get your paycheck. Federal income taxes are not the only way our government is funded. Until you realize that, your logic will continue to be faulty.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
11:13 am

jm,
you’re naive if you think that large donations don’t “buy” policy decisions. that’s not democracy.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
11:16 am

“We have done our best to try to help them and this is the thanks we get”

Talk about rewriting history. Did they ask us to come “help” them? We INVADED them against their will. I said it then, and I will always say it: we should have gone in, got Bin Laden and got out. Everyday we are there past the first 6 months is nothing but a waste.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
11:17 am

Jm

February 25th, 2012
4:59 pm

“I can name 3 female drivers better than Danica………….”

Tee them up genius.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Not a problem asshat. Jennifer Jo Cobb, Johanna Long, and Alli Owens pop into mind without a second thought.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
11:18 am

“It is not some kind of play toy that the wealthy can buy and own to use for their personal benefit.”

Well…it certainly appears that it IS that…but that’s not what it was meant to be.

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
11:19 am

Fred

Who ya got today?? My yahoo fantasy team reeks of Japanese horsepower. :)

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
11:20 am

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:22 am

The last survey I saw had the percentage of those paying zero federal income tax at 49.5% and that survey was taken about 18 months ago. If that’s the case, it’s a reasonable assumption that by now the percentage is over 50%. Also from recent reports one in five people are getting financial assistance from the federal government. The left talks about unfair taxation and that is indeed correct, however, the lack of fairness is the ever increasing number of people living in the U.S. who depend on the federal government for their living, while contributing less and less financially. This is an unsustainable track that we’re running on and we need to get people back on the tax paying role not off of it. We need to get everyone who earns income at every level paying federal income tax. I think that a flat tax that can be adjusted for the various income brackets could be a solution.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
11:27 am

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:22 am

The last survey I saw had the percentage of those paying zero federal income tax at 49.5% and that survey was taken about 18 months ago.

The part they ALWAYS leave out is how much money these people are earning. Don’t you think that’s a more reasonable metric as to who should pay taxes?

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
11:29 am

Recon

I’ll ask you the same question I’ve asked everyone else about that 49.5% group. Are you pointing that group out because it shows the need for tax reform due to the number of people with 6 figure incomes that don’t pay taxes, or are you pointing out to that group to say that the poor need to pay?

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/14/pf/taxes/who_pays_income_taxes/index.htm

For tax year 2010, roughly 45% of households, or about 69 million, will end up owing nothing in federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. Some in that group will even end up getting paid money from the federal government.

[...]

It’s true that the vast majority of the 69 million households make less than $50,000 — with very heavy representation among households making less than $30,000.

But nearly 5 million households in the group make somewhere between $50,000 and more than $1 million. The vast majority of that group — 4.3 million — make between $50,000 and $100,000. Another 485,000 make between $100,000 and $500,000. And the remaining 18,000 make $500,000 or more

Very high-income households can fall into the non-payer group if they get their income from tax-exempt bonds or overseas sources for which they get foreign tax credits, according to Roberton Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center.

Thomas

February 26th, 2012
11:34 am

The part they ALWAYS leave out is how much money these people are earning

Don’t forget- I applaud your (in the cloud of course) choice of the word “earning”

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:34 am

Don’t you think that’s a more reasonable metric as to who should pay taxes?

Don’t Forget, I think everyone earning income needs to share in paying tax. As a country we’re on thin ice economically when we depend on only a small percentage of the population contributing to the nations support.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
11:34 am

Bro; You in a league? Got room for another lol? I’m not doing one this year.

It’s hard to pick against little shrub, but it’s also hard to pick against Jeff Gordon on a restrictor plate track given he is the leading active driver (and second all time) with 12 wins, (6 at each Daytona and Talladega). His was quick in the shoot out but made a tactical error in trying to get around Busch. He was definitely faster. Can’t discount Toni Stewart or Lil Boy Junior either. Kevin Harvick is just flat out awesome on those tracks. I’ve seen him do some amazing things at ‘Dega.

With this new set up, it’s really more of a crap shoot than usual. One little tap in the left rear and around you go. It’s a tough call. For the “under dog” i’d like the see trevor Bayne and Woods Brothers do it again, except they can’t afford to lose the car for a year, so maybe I should root for them for second lol. Michael McDowell is a really nice kid, well I guess he’s not a kid anymore, and I would never mind seeing him win or do well. But old habits (and loyalties) die hard so I’m gonna have to cheer for old washed up Jeff Gordon. Maybe he’ll regain some fire in his belly and drive it like he stole it again. It almost looked like he was trying to do that last week……..

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
11:39 am

Recon, you miss the real point.
A nation that has 50% of it’s people making wages so low that they cannot afford to pay taxes is on very thin ice. I’m not sure why you can’t relate to the real financial difficulties of the lower middle class and instead focus on the frustrations of those who have no real financial worries.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:44 am

Brosephus, upper income tax avoidance through various loop holes is another subject. What I was saying is that continuing to remove people from the tax paying role and creating a condition where more and more people then become dependent on the federal government is unsustainable. Sooner or later we will be diminishing the segment that that the government depends on for tax revenue out of existence. Regardless of how upper income individuals manipulate tax code loop holes ten percent of the population pays the greatest percentage of federal income tax.

carlosgvv

February 26th, 2012
11:49 am

Doggone/GA – 11:16

Actually, quite a lot of them were happy, at the time, to see us take out the Taliban. 10 years later, The US, The Afgan Govt. and The Taliban are in “negotations”. Of course you know negotating with the Taliban is like dealing with Hitler. I just can’t help but wonder what the families of all of our dead and wounded soldiers must think about this? If they all decided to move to Canada tommorrow, I wouldn’t blame them.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
11:50 am

“Regardless of how upper income individuals manipulate tax code loop holes ten percent of the population pays the greatest percentage of federal income tax.”

And the best answer to that is to RAISE UP those so low on the economic scale that they owe nothing in FIT. The answer is NOT to take even more from them and make them even POORER.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:51 am

Don’t Forget, I would question the validity that everyone who earns moderate to low income can’t afford to pay something in federal income tax. But lets say you’re right, what would be your solution?

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
11:53 am

“Actually, quite a lot of them were happy, at the time, to see us take out the Taliban.”

And how often, BEFORE we invaded, did they seek such an invasion? I don’t feel any need to apologize for thinking that freedom cannot be IMPOSED on another people. It must be sought by those people FIRST.

paulo977

February 26th, 2012
11:53 am

josef :Yes, he’s CIC…so I should, as some here would like to do, “blame” him for burning the Koran and bringing on the attacks on US personnel in the riots now taking their toll?
_____________________________________________

Gee ,did he give the GO AHEAD to burn the Koran?

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:53 am

“The answer is NOT to take even more from them and make them even POORER.”

I’ll ask the same question, what’s the solution?

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
11:55 am

Recon

Ok, gotcha!!

—————————

Fred

I’m still flipping between Shrub and Smoke myself. I’ve been a longtime Stewart fan, even when he was in open wheel. I’ve also got loads of JGR stuff around the house, and I’ve been a fan since Dale Jarrett drove for Joe. I put Trevor on my team this week too, but like you, I don’t think they can risk losing that car for a year.

Although not an underdog, I’m thinking Mark Martin as a sleeper. Waltrip’s team seems like they’re getting closer and closer to being real contenders. Put him in the right place at the right time, and he’s good to get his first win in the 500. I’ll have my #18 coffee mug sittin’ beside me while I’m watching the race though.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
11:56 am

Also from recent reports one in five people are getting financial assistance from the federal government. The left talks about unfair taxation and that is indeed correct, however, the lack of fairness is the ever increasing number of people living in the U.S. who depend on the federal government for their living, while contributing less and less financially. This is an unsustainable track that we’re running on and we need to get people back on the tax paying role not off of it.

While maybe factually correct, that is intellectually disingenuous. There is a HUGE difference between getting some assistance from the gov’t and “depending on the federal government for a living.” Soldier “depend on the federal Gov’t for a living” wouldn’t you agree? So they should be counted in your stat’s.

See how easy it is to say something that is factual but not really true in context? But a case in point. I had a friend in the Army. He was a Sergeant with over 10 years in the Army. He had two small children. HE received “gov’t assistance” in the way you mean. He got the great Gov’t cheese, and other food. Was he a dead beat? There he was serving his Country and yet didn’t make enough money doing so to feed 2 SMALL children. And no, he wasn’t wasting his cash on stupid stuff. There just weren’t none.

As to getting people on the tax rolls? How in the hell are ypou going to do that when the Uber rich are sending all their jobs over to freaking China? And don’t give me that crap about “it’s cheaper over there.” Of COURSE it is. Slave labor and the only “restrictions” are the bribes one pays to the local Gov’t authority.

How about some HUGE tariffs on imports (to equal waht other countries do to us) and taxation of money made over seas? By God THAT would have some people either moving some jobs back here or moving their asses out. But wait, they won;t move out. DESPITE the right wings lies, we ARE the best place to live and make money. Case it point? they are still here. Why the hell did Rupert Murdoch and George Soro’s relocate here? Because we suck so bad and our taxes are so “terrible?” I don’t think so.

My accountant just finished with our taxes (we already have our return). By the time he did his magic we ended up paying just a little under 10% in taxes of our overall income. hell, even if you go by the “adjusted net” income we barely paid 15%. Our accountant charges 300 bucks to do my corporate and personal returns. That’s pretty cheap. He doesn’t even cut things to the bone. He figures it better to leave cash in there than go through the hassle of being audited. How much more could he cut if I said, “Cut it to the bone.” At $300 he’s not even that expensive. He’s old. I don’t think he keeps up with all the changes. Imagine if I had the type of accountant that the really rich folks use. How little would i be paying then?

One thing i KNOW he’s never mentioned is that private school “donation” thing I’ll link below. Using that, we could probably bring our “tax burden” down to almost 0%. And we are in the top 3 if not 2%, (top 1% is 347,000 and we aren’t there yet). It just isn’t right Del.

I don’t like to pay taxes more than anyone else, but right is right. If I can make my LEGAL tax bill that low with minimal effort then how low could I make it with more effort? Something has to give. We can’t just cut spending, we HAVE to raise taxes as well. And no, people who are already just barely scraping by can’t pay more. They may not pay “income tax” but they are being raped by other taxes. Get off that “income tax” lie.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
12:00 pm

“I’ll ask the same question, what’s the solution?”

Unionization of more of the workers. Give them some say in their compensation, instead of leaving them to the “tender” mercies of their employers.

That should raise some hackles.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:01 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:34 am

Don’t Forget, I think everyone earning income needs to share in paying tax. As a country we’re on thin ice economically when we depend on only a small percentage of the population contributing to the nations support.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That’s not true and you are too smart to believe it is. Look at all the different and separate taxes we pay every day that have nothing to do with “income tax.”

Your heart isn’t in your “argument” anymore. You know it’s disingenuous at best. I think the gravity of our national situation is sinking in to you FINALLY and you are starting to acknowledge that everything isn’t exactly like Neal and Rush portray it. They are after all only looking out for their own investments, paychecks, and personal power circles. They care nothing about the rest of us.

Old Timer

February 26th, 2012
12:02 pm

. . . but it’s also hard to pick against Jeff Gordon on a restrictor plate track given he is the leading active driver (and second all time) with 12 wins, (6 at each Daytona and Talladega).

I’m not a big racing fan, but I was suitably impressed when some outfit matched a teenager who was supposedly the nation’s best at one of those computerized racing games requiring amazing reflexes against Gordon, who had never played the game. Gordon beat him.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
12:03 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
11:51 am

Don’t Forget, I would question the validity that everyone who earns moderate to low income can’t afford to pay something in federal income tax. But lets say you’re right, what would be your solution?

Either you level the playing field between us and the countries that subsidize their industries so that our workers can compete fairly or you tax the people who benefit from these unfair trade practices.

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
12:03 pm

That should raise some hackles.

I think “some hackles” is highly underestimating things…

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
12:04 pm

“Get off that “income tax” lie.”

I won’t call you a liar, I’ll go easy and call you intellectually disingenuous.

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
12:06 pm

Old Timer

Gordon is a great racer. If you get a chance, go back and look for video of him and Juan Pablo Montoya when they switched cars. JPM was driving in Formula 1 then. Gordon drove an F1 racecar for the first time, and he wasn’t too far off the times that JPM drove. I think Gordon’s one of those who could race the wheels off a lawnmower.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
12:09 pm

Don’t Forget, I would certainly agree with leveling the international trade playing field but the government has to take action that can accomplish doing so.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
12:12 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
12:09 pm

Don’t Forget, I would certainly agree with leveling the international trade playing field but the government has to take action that can accomplish doing so.

Why can’t at least a few business’s stand up for what is right? Does the pursuit of profit rise above all other concerns? (rhetorical question)

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:14 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
12:04 pm

“Get off that “income tax” lie.”

I won’t call you a liar, I’ll go easy and call you intellectually disingenuous.
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So no taxes whatsoever are paid by anyone EXCEPT income taxes? Really? What percent of the “income stream” for the federal Govt is from income tax? Do you know? I don’t and don’t have time to look it up right now (the girls want to go eat) but I would bet it isn’t a majority……..

I know I paid a lot more in “other taxes this year than I did in income tax.

DOGGONE: I disagree about the union thing. I’ll fight with you about it later lol.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

getalife

February 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

“intellectually disingenuous.”

Not bad del.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
12:16 pm

“That should raise some hackles.”

Don’t know about hackles but it will certainly raise more campaign shekels for Democrats.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

“DOGGONE: I disagree about the union thing. I’ll fight with you about it later lol”

No, you won’t. I won’t engage in a fight over my opinion.

bman

February 26th, 2012
12:22 pm

“Unionization of more of the workers. Give them some say in their compensation, instead of leaving them to the “tender” mercies of their employers.”

Ya….let them go to work for a company, then sort of start their own Management & HR company from within. I’m not totally against unions, but this just sounds silly.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
12:24 pm

“Don’t know about hackles but it will certainly raise more campaign shekels for Democrats”

Am I supposed to worry about that? Because I don’t. Nor will I.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
12:28 pm

” I’m not totally against unions, but this just sounds silly.”

I refer you to the history of the unions and their relationship with BellSouth for how it OUGHT to work…and, in that case, does. (And yes, I already know that BellSouth as a separate entity no longer exists, but that doesn’t negate the relationship between the company as it once existed and the unions)

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:31 pm

Well that was a short trip lol. Honey let me off the hook, she’s going shopping instead.

Ok I did a quick peek and found this wiki thing which say that in 2007 income taxes were 44% of the budget. Yeah it’s not a majority but it’s a lot higher than I suspected. I figured around 30% at most.

As to your question Del: Let me think on it. There HAS to be a way of raising some tax revenue, having everyone pay some without completely breaking the poor.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
12:32 pm

I think that in the future, private sector unions would be wise to tie their compensation to the profitability of the company they work for.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:33 pm

getalife

February 26th, 2012
12:15 pm

“intellectually disingenuous.”

Not bad del.
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Obviously you didn’t read my 11:56. It’s a straight rip from my first line lol.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:34 pm

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
12:18 pm

“DOGGONE: I disagree about the union thing. I’ll fight with you about it later lol”

No, you won’t. I won’t engage in a fight over my opinion.
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Jesu you sure love to get prickly. How about a pleasant exchange of ideas? Can I say THAT or do you feel compelled to censor that as well? :P

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
12:38 pm

“Jesu you sure love to get prickly”

Maybe you better get used to it. I’ve always been this way, and I don’t see it changing. That is ALWAYS going to be the problem with only communicating through the written word.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:43 pm

I used to be “anti-union” until I worked for a Company called JM Wilkerson. He had gone union (carpenter) to get govt jobs. When it is done correctly, it’s an awesome system. When you get a journeyman you KNOW by golly he knows what to do. For each carpenter you should have x number of helpers and then the laborers. Every one knows what they should do.

But on the other hand, Jim didn’t need to go union. he already paid higher and treated his employees better than any union. Now his employees had money taken out of each check for union dues. The retirement was now handled by the union (who don’t have a great track record of that).

Unions aren’t always better. Nor are they automatically the devil. Properly run they are great.

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2012
12:45 pm

Rush has a news letter which has a higher circulation than any publication other than U.S.A. Today.

The Koch crooks should print it on POM so it will get the attention it deserves through increased circulation. Which reminds me, which way, CW or CCW, would it circulate in North American toilets.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
12:45 pm

Fred,

The fact that del writes about intellectual honesty is change.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
12:47 pm

“Unions aren’t always better. Nor are they automatically the devil. Properly run they are grea”

And that is exactly the point. They give the workers some power that they don’t have otherwise. Ideally, they should work themselves out of a job…but the recent past has shown that when you give away power, those who gain it will abuse it. It has ever been thus, and unions help rebalance that power.

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
12:49 pm

When it is done correctly, it’s an awesome system.

Same thing applies to corporations. We shouldn’t let a few bad apples cloud our judgements against entire swaths of people. I guess that’s just human nature though.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:50 pm

Don’t Forget

February 26th, 2012
12:32 pm

I think that in the future, private sector unions would be wise to tie their compensation to the profitability of the company they work for.
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I disagree DF. The union scales for each particular industry seems to work pretty well. For instance, every electric contractor (union) knows how much labor a job takes and how much that labor takes. But however why should an electrician working for ABC electric make less than an electrician working for XYZ electric because the owner of ABC electric can’t bid for crap and underbids every job? He loses money because he’s stupid not because of anything his electricians do or don’t do.

JohnnyReb

February 26th, 2012
12:51 pm

re, unions. That Caterpillar plant in North Georgia sure is good news, huh? At whose expense? Peoria, IL, that’s who, where the unions went on strike after strike and finally run part of Caterpillar out of their state taking the jobs with them. But that’s not all.

Peoria use to have two large breweries, Pabst and Herman Walker where, like at Caterpillar bluecollar workers enjoyed better than average wages and benefits. They are gone, out of business there. Why? Unions. Just like the unions drove Easter Airlines out of business.

Yea, Doggone, lets put more unions in place so they can over-reach as they always do and end up with nothing.

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
12:52 pm

Headline: “Afghans hunt for killers of U.S. officers”

Oh, you mean like the Pakistanis hunted for Osama ?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:52 pm

getalife

February 26th, 2012
12:45 pm

Fred,

The fact that del writes about intellectual honesty is change.
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LOL Get. His stuff lately has begun to make some sense. It’s like he’s actually READING what folks write. Not only reading, but weighing it, mulling it around and thinking about it, not just looking for code words to pop out the pre-programmed response. ( That’s why I spent the time to address him today lol.)

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2012
12:53 pm

Time is ticking — and money could be waiting — for those who have yet to file their 2008 federal tax returns. Half of those nonfilers could be due refunds of $637 each — their share of the more than $1 billion the Internal Revenue has in unclaimed refund money for that year.

JohnnyReb

February 26th, 2012
12:55 pm

I commented here yesterday on Lukovich not being in step with the majority of Georgians and how the AJC would continue to be a liberal rag with Luckovich putting forth the paper’s basic stand with his cartoons. Low and behold, today the AJC posts a counter to Lukovich. Doing so speaks volumes for the AJC in their efforts to be more balanced and I applaud them.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
12:56 pm

Funny thing about union members.

Most kept their jobs.

JohnnyReb

February 26th, 2012
12:57 pm

One more comment for the day – go gettem Smoke!

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
12:58 pm

Doggone@ 12:47: Exactly. Unions have done wonderful things for the workers in this Country. They have also ut their own throats at times (as in the example J-Reb points out assuming they are true). The anti union folks forget that in right to work states like ours, it works BECAUSE of the union presence, not ‘in spite of.” Workers have a right to unionize at anytime. As such a Company like Caterpillar will make sure they treat their employees right here in Georgia so they DON’T unionize.

One thing is certain. As much as the Chinese have screw Cat, and NOT bought from them there isn’t much chance of THEM sending their factories overseas…………

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
12:59 pm

JohnnyReb
Peoria use to have two large breweries, Pabst and Herman Walker where, like at Caterpillar bluecollar workers enjoyed better than average wages and benefits. They are gone, out of business there. Why? Unions.

Yeah, Pabst made a great beer it was just too expensive. lol

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:00 pm

Low and behold, today the AJC posts a counter to Lukovich.

Where?

getalife

February 26th, 2012
1:01 pm

Tearing down the obl compound and Pakistan urging the taliban to talk peace is more good news.

Other than that, no drama but the gop civil war.

Things are going extremely well for our President and country.

JohnnyReb

February 26th, 2012
1:03 pm

Fred – it’s in the hardcopy. I should have typed printed, instead of posts. Sorry

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
1:04 pm

That Caterpillar plant in North Georgia sure is good news, huh? At whose expense? Peoria, IL, that’s who, where the unions went on strike after strike and finally run part of Caterpillar out of their state taking the jobs with them.

Somebody didn’t pay close attention to the announcement that was made. Plant work is being shifted from Japan, and not Peoria, IL in order to be closer to the US and European clients. In addition, the plant is a new plant in the US, and not merely shifting from one state to another.

In November, Caterpillar announced plans to open a new U.S. manufacturing facility. Caterpillar decided to shift production from Japan to a site closer to its large base of customers in North America and Europe, the company said in a statement last fall.

Illinois-based Caterpillar picked Georgia over a host of other states, including North Carolina, which seemingly has eaten Georgia’s economic development lunch in recent years, including a victory in landing Chiquita.

Also, in regards to wooing businesses, seems like some people really know how to give away the farm for a few jobs..

Athens and Oconee County taxpayers will pay a steep price for the 1,400 jobs Caterpillar is bringing to the region.

The two local governments paid almost $10 million for 252 acres at the Orkin tract straddling the county line. They’ll spend millions more on infrastructure improvements like roads and utility lines for the 1.2 million square-foot plant.

The total price tag is $17.6 million, not including property tax abatements that will save Caterpillar $12.4 million over the next 20 years or another $45 million in state incentives.

[...]

Oconee County is going $10 million into debt to fund Caterpillar-related infrastructure improvements. Athens-Clarke County is issuing $6 million in bonds.

Oconee taxpayers are on the hook for $280,000 bond payments this year and next, then $700,000 annually for another 18 years.

http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2012-02-25/caterpillars-jobs-come-price

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
1:06 pm

Headline: “Large Naked Woman Stomps On Car In Noe Valley”

Ah ……………………… nevermind.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:06 pm

J-Reb: Thanks. I’ve been thinking of getting the hard copy (or the online paid version). I wonder if I get it online if I can get the Sunday paper with the coupons as well lol. Do you happen to remember who the cartoonist is?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:09 pm

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
1:09 pm

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
1:04 pm

Great post. I also wonder how Oconee and Athens-Clark county justifiy giving these benefits to one company but not to others.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:11 pm

Brocephus: Thanks for that link. At the time I read about Cat moving here, the cynical part of me wondered how much it was costing the State/County and how much the local republican politicians were gonna profit. Wonder who owns that land and what the real cost SHOULD have been. Was it like Sonny’s land deal? I didn’t want to be a downer though when some “good news” as far as jobs were concerned was announced.

bman

February 26th, 2012
1:15 pm

“http://sfist.com/2012/02/24/large_naked_woman_stomps_on_car_in.php

CAUTION: Not safe if you just ate.”

I rarely look at the links posted here, but you had to add that “caution” sign in, didn’t you? Holy cannoli

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:16 pm

For general Info: THIS is why I hate Fox. They list the race start time as 12:00 PM EST. That’s not true. They are liars. The race starts at 1:29. The rest is they extraordinarily crappy pre-race show that usually has nothing to do with racing.

When ESPN has the race it will list it in the guide as 12;00-1;00 Prerace. 1:00 Race. (Actually they would probably drop the flag at around 1:10 if they announced the race for 1 or would announce it as 1:30 and green flag would be 1:35 or 1:40.

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
1:17 pm

Fred:

I’ll get even for that !!!

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:17 pm

Bman; It was holy, a lot more than one, cannoli :lol:

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:17 pm

Scout: I won’t even complain. I deserve it lol.

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
1:19 pm

Don’t Forget

That’s why I don’t like those “recruitment” deals. What does Athens-Clark and/or Oconee do for the small business guy who’s starting from nil?

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Fred

I haven’t seen anything on who owned the property, but I bet that would make for interesting theater.

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:20 pm

I just paid $85 bucks to fill my tank. Can anyone tell me what BO is doing to relieve this burden? I hope he has a plan…Help!

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:22 pm

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:20 pm

I just paid $85 bucks to fill my tank. Can anyone tell me what BO is doing to relieve this burden? I hope he has a plan…Help!
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Stand up, be a man and quit relying on Gov’t to solve your every problem. This is capitolism at it’s finest. Do you want BO to socialize the oil companies?

Jam Man

February 26th, 2012
1:23 pm

getalife @12:56,

Zing.

Imagine that?! Middle class working Americans using collective bargaining to have a say in their own futures.

Communists!

And people are still buying the paper version of the AJC, Reb?

That is gonna make some folks here unhappy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h59mDlBSt7o

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:23 pm

Brocephus: Meatball Subs and lots more cold beer than I can drink. If you drive fast during the first caution you can make it here and not miss a lap. :D

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:25 pm

If gas does get to $6 and you need 4 tanks a month, that’s $120 per fill up assuming 20 gallon tank. This equates to $480 per month or $5700 a year grossed up for taxes is $7700 per year. Wow, how can all the middle class folks afford this? What about all those GM and Chrysler employees who earn about that much per year? Last year was bad for these people and that was worst year in history of gas gouging…but 50% increase…just damn.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:26 pm

“Can anyone tell me what BO is doing to relieve this burden? I hope he has a plan…Help!”

What should he be doing? Gas prices are like the weather, everyone complains but no one does anything about it.

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:27 pm

FRED,

I just thought that like healthcare, he must have a solution….and yes, he has many options to protect us and no, I rely on the gov’t for jacks*it. Keep your flawed judgement to yourself.

Oh I remember now, his plan is to invest more in Solyndra types, tell us to be men and deal, and divert blame to Bush…

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
1:28 pm

PETA (People for the Enthusiastic Targeting of Animals)

“Documents published online this month show that People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, an organization known for its uncompromising animal-rights positions, killed more than 95 percent of the pets in its care in 2011.

The documents, obtained from the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, were published online by the Center for Consumer Freedom, a non-profit organization that runs online campaigns targeting groups that antagonize food producers.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/24/documents-peta-kills-more-than-95-percent-of-pets-in-its-care/#ixzz1nVvDhK6k

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:29 pm

LOL NM Brocephus: Just wait til they put the blowers on the track then drive leisurely over for the start.

Do you think they’ll do that stupid crap of starting the race under yellow and then tossing a mandatory caution after 25 laps or so?

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:29 pm

Doggone,

Understood but he has bargaining chips such as completing pipeline, reducing gas tax, increase leases for future drilling…basically, he has a ton of negotiating leverage to press those we seemingly give free cash, lives and other goodies to…

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:30 pm

“he has many options to protect us ”

Such as?

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:30 pm

Wow, Fred are you on BO’s staff and the one responsible for carrying out the grin and bear it aspect of his plan?

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:33 pm

“Understood but he has bargaining chips such as completing pipeline, reducing gas tax, increase leases for future drilling”

The pipeline will not, and is not intended, to lower prices in the USA
Reducing the gas tax will starve the government of needed revenue for roads, while doing NOTHING to actually lower the price of gas. It only lowers the price at the pump.
Future drilling will do nothing to lower the price either, as any oil found would STILL be sold at world market prices.

Got any more bright ideas?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:34 pm

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:27 pm

FRED,

I just thought that like healthcare, he must have a solution….and yes, he has many options to protect us and no, I rely on the gov’t for jacks*it. Keep your flawed judgement to yourself.

Oh I remember now, his plan is to invest more in Solyndra types, tell us to be men and deal, and divert blame to Bush…
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Why don’t you ignorant Republicans stick your lies up your asses? On one hand you want “free trade and hands off” but now all of a sudden it’s up to the President to controll the world market and gas prices.

You you folks EVER stop you lies and Bull spit? oh wait, no you don’t. Hypocrisy is your watch word.

BTW you are LATE in your whining. That talk show talking point lie has been bandied here for a week. Is your internet THAT slow that ypou just now downloaded your “for the mindelss, talking point” newsletter today?

As I said, we have belittled you Republicans so much for your cry for socilaism that we are weary of it. Can you think of something new for us to deride, belittle, and make fun of you over or do you have to wait for your next (late) newletter full of talking points?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
1:37 pm

Bro 11:02

There are no federal sales taxes silly

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:38 pm

PETA (People for the Enthusiastic Targeting of Animals)

Nice one, never saw that version before. I always use “People Eating Tasty Animals”

@ Stevie Ray: I’m not a cheerleader, think of me more as a hypocrisy or BS detector. Your Republican whine for the forced take over of the oil companies (most of which are foreign owned) sets off both my high hypocrisy and my high BS alarms.

Is that the best lie you have this week? Now how exactly are you gonna call poor Barry a socialist this week when you are crying for him to be just that. Well that or a fascist………

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:38 pm

“Why don’t you ignorant Republicans stick your lies up your asses?”

And you accuse ME of being prickly!

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:38 pm

“There are no federal sales taxes silly”

Ever heard of gas taxes?

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
1:38 pm

Do you think they’ll do that stupid crap of starting the race under yellow and then tossing a mandatory caution after 25 laps or so?

I hope not. I hate that sh*t!!

Brosephus

February 26th, 2012
1:41 pm

There are no federal sales taxes silly

To piggy back on Doggone, there is also a federal tax on the purchase of my labor. It’s not directly a sales tax, per se, but it is a tax on something that’s bought and paid for.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:42 pm

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:29 pm
Understood but he has bargaining chips such as completing pipeline, reducing gas tax, increase leases for future drilling…basically, he has a ton of negotiating leverage to press those we seemingly give free cash, lives and other goodies to…
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Completing the pipeline means that the foriegn Company that owns the oil can ship it across our Country to the foreign owned oil tankers that will then sell it to the foreign Countries that will pay the high price for it.

What do you want us to do? Highjack it? Should we highjack it at the end of the pipeline or somewhere in the middle there sport? And after that, do we invade Canada and take over the oil head so they can’t shut it off? And after we invade Canada do we HAVE to keep them/ I sure as hell don’t want a bunch of socialist whiny Canadians to take care of. ESPECIALLY those contemptible french Canadians.

You want me to poke holes in the rest of that BS quoted there or is that one enough?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
1:44 pm

Don’t forget 11:13

It ultimately comes down to votes. That’s still democracy

People should be able to spend money how they see fit to support their views

Unless you want to ban non profits who lobby and run advertisements on behalf of good causes, which would seem to be a really stupid idea

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:44 pm

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:38 pm

“Why don’t you ignorant Republicans stick your lies up your asses?”

And you accuse ME of being prickly!
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You are prickly. I’m ” sometimes direct or brusque in my mannerisms,” ;)

Jm

February 26th, 2012
1:47 pm

Doggone 1:38

They’re a “service fee”. And don’t come close to paying for just 1/2 the cost of the roads.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:48 pm

Yo Scout: This should make up for my last link…………

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012_swimsuit/painting/

Jm

February 26th, 2012
1:48 pm

Bro 1:41

Those taxes on your labor go to pay a portion of the cost of other peoples retirement

They don’t pay to run the government

Keep trying

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:51 pm

“They’re a “service fee”. And don’t come close to paying for just 1/2 the cost of the roads.”

A sales tax is a sales tax. And if it’s cut it will pay even less of the total cost of the roads.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
1:52 pm

Jm

February 26th, 2012
1:53 pm

Doggone

Don’t lie

It’s a gas tax

Different than a sales tax

Gas tax doesn’t apply to the candy and beer you buy at a gas station, ie, not a sales tax

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:53 pm

Way to go Fred…brilliant response sticking things in my butt. I’m not a GOP any more than you tough guy. I’ve got three kids and a former spouse who all drive. I’ve got employees who I reimburse per mile. Yes, I do think he can offer something…waiver of federal fuel taxes. The Jimmy Carter approach of doing NOTHING will win him a legacy compared to same. Telling OPEC et al that we will not drill more, work on a pipeline for whatever reason, and suggest the people grin and bear it per FRED, sends quit a strong signal to the oil producers…don’t forget, we will continue to send troops, cash and other goodies without expecting anything in return….what a joke.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
1:54 pm

“Different than a sales tax”

It’s a tax levied at the time of sale. It’s a sales tax.

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:56 pm

FRED,

Can you confirm that your recommendation for the near term is to do nothing and blame others? Please clarify…perhaps it’s something you pull out of my butt???

Jm

February 26th, 2012
1:58 pm

Doggone after this I’m done with your rabbit hole pure BS logic

The gas Tax is 18 cents per gallon, it doesn’t change depending on the price of gas, it’s not a % of the price of gas

In no way shape or form is it a sales tax

Liberals are so dumb

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
1:59 pm

WE are soooo screwed…If the great Sanorelli gets elected, I reckon his strategy is to send a flotilla of clergy over, including Father Maron, to let them know the power of christ compels them to cut us a break….At least they have a common thread and enjoy no sex…maybe they can build on that….

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:00 pm

“Yes, I do think he can offer something…waiver of federal fuel taxes.”

So how do we pay for the roads then? I mean I drive a 4X4 Dodge Ram so I can go cross country, but how about the rest of you genteel folk?

I know you aren’t a Republican, it’s just co-incidence that you are using the right wing radio talk show hosts talking points, quoting them almost verbatim.

Hush now, listen to that completely awesome tune I posted for you. I’ll post anther one in a minute, but dammit, that first one hasn’t finished and Stevie is just flat out tearing up that guitar. Every time I hear one of his song, I kick myslef for all the times I could have seen him in anyone of what seems like a hundred seedy dives in and around Austin and other parts of Texas and told myself I’d do it “next week” until he burned in and there was no next week, just a pile of regret for never seeing live one of the best in my lifetime.

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2012
2:03 pm

Stevie Ray is whining because Obama will not guarantee him a fixed low price for gasoline in a free market economy. Too funny. Try Venezuela, Stevie.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
2:03 pm

“The gas Tax is 18 cents per gallon, it doesn’t change depending on the price of gas, it’s not a % of the price of gas”

It’s still a tax levied at the time of sale. It’s a sales tax. It’s just a sales tax at a fixed number instead of percentage.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
2:07 pm

Buy a new GM 40 mpg vehicle.

Insourcing is a great idea.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
2:08 pm

jm,
buying votes is NOT democracy and non-profit (or for profit) PSA’s are not political donations.

Stevie Ray, what did you do when gas went to $4 during the Bush administration? Did you buy a more economical vehicle? Didn’t you think that gas prices would ever go up that high again, even during an economic recovery?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
2:14 pm

Don’t forget

Who’s buying votes other than Chicago (and Atlanta) pols who shuttle inner city people to the voting booth?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
2:15 pm

Getalife

GM bad

Ford good

Buy a fusion

Jm

February 26th, 2012
2:16 pm

Republicans don’t go vote for a free meal…..

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
2:17 pm

Fred:

Now I think I’m having a heart attack !

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
2:18 pm

“Who’s buying votes”

You don’t need to buy votes when you can go straight to the source and buy the politicians.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:18 pm

Stevie Ray. Abiding by the truth is not ‘blaming others.” The truth is we have very few refining facilities. They are working at capacity. The truth is that the major oil companies are NOT American. The truth is that China is buying every bit of oil they can get to keep up with all the manufacturing that OUR “rich folks” are sending their way. All the modernization. They want the factories and technology so they don’t have to get things from anyone. They can make it themselves and then they can REALLY dominate the World. And we are letting them.

Just as the rest of the World paid for us to become the most modern Country on the face of the earth, we are doing it for China. How sweet.

Tell your kids and employees to drive less. I’m sure they are pimping the hell out of you while gas is so high. I drive less. As a matter of fact I was looking at the Mazda3 yesterday. That puppy gets 40 MPG and they have one at Rick Case for only $18 grand and some change.

Dude, we as a Country have made some really stupid choices. At some point we have to pay the piper. Does it suck? Hell yeah it does. We (my wife and I0 make some damn good money. We should be living much better than we are. We made some choices. I lent a sibling a LOT of cash that she juiced me on. I had borrowed it. I had to pay it back. It sucks. But it’s almost over.

I drive a Dodge Ram that gets 10 MPG. In 98 when I got it, that wasn’t such an issue. It sure as hell is now. Stupid choice back then. It sucks. I live with it. I need a truck for what I do and I’m not going to buy a new one. 26 gallon fuel tank. I’ve been droppi9ng close to a Ben Franklin every time I fill up. Don’t tell ME about fuel prices. I know. But I gotta have a truck to haul tools and materials.

What magic answer do you want me to give? That 30-40 years of BS decisions of the US and it’s elected officials is all of a sudden Obama’s “fault?” That things will be magically better if we elect one of these republican asshats who were a major part of driving us where we are today?8 years Nixon /Ford, 4 years Jiminy Carter, 8 years Ronnie, 4 Years Herbert Bush, 8 years Clinton, 8 years Walker Bush, 3 years Obama. I count that 28 years Republican rule with 15 years Democrat spaced in there. So who bears the greater portion of “blame?”

After all the cries of “socialism” directed at Obama by the Right, I find it extremely amusing to see them condemning him because he DOESN’T steal the oil from the foreign owned companies and give it away here free………..

Here is his last song maybe………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7akw6yyWw4&feature=related

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
2:20 pm

“Yes, I do think he can offer something…waiver of federal fuel taxes.”

So, if we can get that $4 gas down to $3.82, that would make things noticeably better? And how do we cover the shortfall in revenue?

jm, wow, you’re such a mess, lol. So, transporting people to the polls where they vote in secret is buying votes? And I’m sure this only happens in areas controlled by dems huh?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:22 pm

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
2:17 pm

Fred:

Now I think I’m having a heart attack !
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

But what a way to go. Did you click each athlete to see ALL the pictures lol?

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
2:22 pm

Hummmmmm …………………… interesting concept.

Headline: “3 lesbians charged with ‘hate crime’ for beating up gay man…”

http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20220225lawyer_lesbians_assault_on_gay_man_cant_be_hate_crime/srvc=home%26position=2

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:23 pm

Suck it up gas guzzlers. Buy something that’s fuel efficient earth killers.

0311/1811

February 26th, 2012
2:23 pm

Fred:

I don’t have enough aspirin.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:28 pm

Scout: Don’t you wish you had taken up painting?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:29 pm

Sorry Stevie: That last one wasn’t very good quality. Here’s a better one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDMu1DW_mgk&feature=related

Jam Man

February 26th, 2012
2:31 pm

Today’s Republicans are generally a very short sighted lot. And the handful here are poster boys.

Apparently it takes the more visionary of them a minimum of thirty years to begin understanding what was common knowledge then.

And how they ensure that the betterment of this troubled republic happens at a glacial pace…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEC5s3nzVzo

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:33 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:23 pm

Suck it up gas guzzlers. Buy something that’s fuel efficient earth killers.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

i love hypocrites like you. You are so silly and you don’t even know it. What powers your computer? What is that plastic stuff in your computer made of? How was your residence built?

Here’s your sign: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ZkdHImCuQ&ob=av3e

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:35 pm

Fred,

You might consider that if cars had improved efficiency wise as much as my computer has over the last 20 years, my car would run on left over peanut oil.

Yeah boyzzzzz.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:36 pm

I see a Monday race in the future……….

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:37 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:35 pm

Fred,

You might consider that if cars had improved efficiency wise as much as my computer has over the last 20 years, my car would run on left over peanut oil.

Yeah boyzzzzz.
++++++++++++++++++++++++

You really aren’t very bright are you/ What does the speed of your processor, memory, or hard drive have to do with the amount of plastic components that make up your computer? You DO know the main ingredient in plastic don’t you?

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
2:39 pm

” my car would run on left over peanut oil.”

and it could now – if it was a diesel.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:39 pm

Yo Scout; you gotta love the irony here. His plan to “shame the woman” backfired a little……….

http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/cops-man-sent-sex-1360323.html

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:41 pm

Fred,

Lots of methane and oil pal. But my computer doesn’t have much plastic, not a tenth as much as your earth killing car.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:44 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:41 pm

Fred,

Lots of methane and oil pal. But my computer doesn’t have much plastic, not a tenth as much as your earth killing car.
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Truck son, truck. It’s an earth killing gas guzzling truck. It and many like it were needed to build that dwelling that keeps your goofy ass dry when it rains, warm when it’s cold, and cool when it’s hot.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:45 pm

If it weren’t for me and my truck Eat, who would have built your mom’s basement where you still live?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:49 pm

Uh oh. They are replaying a previous race. That usually means RAINOUT………..

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:49 pm

Fred,

You justify your earth killing by the need to kill more of the earth for new land swallowing, vain glorius McMansions.

If you had a pair, we could just call you an earth rapist. Your truck is the modern equivalent of the gas chamber, suffocating us all with a slow death for the planet.

Good thing Obama killed that supposed job creating pipeline. When we run out of oil, you can use that truck on blocks as a flower bed planter.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:51 pm

Fred, why do you build those homes? Just more profit seeking greed…….

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:52 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:49 pm

Fred,

You justify your earth killing by the need to kill more of the earth for new land swallowing, vain glorius McMansions.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ah so your mom has a McMansion? Sweet. Nice BIG basement for you to live in. Does she cook for you too and do your laundry? Since you are probably nearing 40 she has to be in her 60’s. Who will take care of you when she dies?

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
2:53 pm

“When we run out of oil”

The pipeline, when it is approved, will do nothing to increase our supply of oil.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:54 pm

Fred, which wing of the rape the earth, steal money Republican Party are you in?

The greedy wing, or just the destroy the earth wing?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:54 pm

OOOOHHHHHHHH Earth raping. I’m getting a woodie just thinking about it. Not only do I get to pollute with my big gas guzzling truck, but I get to denude jungles, I mean “rain forests” in South America for lumber and stuff. Double woodie.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:56 pm

Doggone, we are running out of oil, or haven’t you noticed the price?

Get with the program pal.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:57 pm

LOL. Where is Brocephus when you need him?

If you browse through Bro check this out. Today I get to be a leftist democrat AND an earth raping Republican. All in two pages.

I challenge YOU to equal that feat. :p

josef

February 26th, 2012
2:57 pm

I see last night’s mood is still in effect!

Me? In a fine mood…my art student has his mural finished, school was open today, so we went in and put it up…folks, I’m telling you, this little feller is a talent…and modest. He’s of the aw-shucks, ain’t nothin to it school…wish y’all could see it…volcano, jungle foreground with monkeys swinging from vines, quetzals in flight, bougaineville, palm and banana trees…

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:57 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:56 pm

Doggone, we are running out of oil, or haven’t you noticed the price?

Get with the program pal.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

That would be “pal-ette” DUDE. Get at least SOMETHING correct ……..

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:58 pm

Fred, at least you’re honest about. Props, but mother earth will smack you down someday.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:59 pm

Fred, which GOP douchebag are you in favor of?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
2:59 pm

Did you see the “paintings” I posted for Scout josef? Alas, no quetzals in flight, sorry.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:00 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
2:59 pm

Fred, which GOP douchebag are you in favor of?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Obama. He’s MY favorite conservative………

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cb6c0e144b/obama-s-sexy-rebuttal

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:02 pm

Fred, glad you’re on the team. Even if you are an earth raper. Very good of you to vote against your interests. Usually the redneck idiot suckers are the only ones to vote against their economic interests.

Spread the wealth baby…..

josef

February 26th, 2012
3:03 pm

EAT THE RICH

Do you own and drive and automobile?

josef

February 26th, 2012
3:04 pm

FRED

Nope. What time and page….?

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:05 pm

Josef,

I have 3 bicycles for various uses. My wife has a car though. I do drive it on occasion. We live close to most of the things we need and work.

If the rest of the world would get with the program, we could stop killing the planet.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:06 pm

LOl josef, it was the painted on swimsuit pics from Sports Illustrated swim suit issue. Page 11. I don’t think you’ll. enjoy it as much as Scout did :D

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
3:09 pm

josef, sounds like a great kid. Talent and humility is such a great combination.

Eat the rich – actually we’re not really running out of oil. We’re running out of “cheap” oil. I think the long term solution is alternatives because eventually their price will come down but oil will continue to gradually trend up. And that doesn’t take into account all the other costs associated with oil.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:11 pm

Don’t Forget

Don’t even get me started on the costs of the wars…… All driven by oil. Obama should have withdrawn immediately, but I’m glad we’re out now at least.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:12 pm

Don’t Forget: I’m not a conspiracy theorist like Sooth, but I think there have been many alternatives paid for and discovered by ‘big oil” that have been squashed or put on the back burner until they can pimp us all for everything they can get from oil.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:13 pm

Fred, the oil companies and car companies are evil and complicit in raping the Earth.

josef

February 26th, 2012
3:15 pm

EAT THE RICH

I don’t own a car and I don’t drive. I live within walking distance of everything I need…so, I’m better than you are, eh? :-)

FRED

Caught those…I thought you meant the first one of the zaftig lady who was out to save the planet from the internal combustion engine! She reminded me of a couple of our tempermental posters…
:-)

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:15 pm

Eat the Rich: Unlike you, I’m not a Druid.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:15 pm

Oh Fred, and you’re complicit too. You should rethink your evil ways. Get a job with a solar company or something. Anything. Truck driving home builder earth destroyer.

Your kids will hate you.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
3:15 pm

Fred, I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist either but with an estimated trillion barrels of untapped oil all of which would go for at least $100 a barrel it’s not hard to imagine what some would do to protect that revenue source.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:16 pm

Josef, that’s very good of you. Props and respect.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:18 pm

I thought you meant the first one of the zaftig lady who was out to save the planet from the internal combustion engine! She reminded me of a couple of our temperamental posters…

I can’t decide which is funnier. your description of the lady or your comparison of her to some of our posters.

As to the “paint bathing suits.” I really want to see one of those up close and personal. Not for voyeurism but I want to see how much is photo shopped and how much is actual “illusion.” I mean if you didn’t know that was just paint on skin you would think they have suits on. Something tells me though that it wouldn’t work on a man’s anatomy……….

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:20 pm

When the whole coast is underwater 3 or 4 generations from now, people will look back on evil doers Iike Fred and equate them with slave owners. Greedy earth killing jerks.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:21 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:15 pm

Oh Fred, and you’re complicit too. You should rethink your evil ways. Get a job with a solar company or something. Anything. Truck driving home builder earth destroyer.

Your kids will hate you.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

my daughter loves me. She HAS camped out before and unlike you she’s not a hypocrite. She loves living indoors with heat, electricity, plumbing and such. (As do you). At 9 she has a better grasp on reality than you do. Talk to me once you live in a hole in the ground you dug your self and just eat berries and leaves you collect yourself. I’ll take you serious at that point. Until then? All I hear from you is blah blah……..

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:21 pm

Fred is a sexist pig who objectifies women. Your mother would be disgusted with you.

No respect for Mother Earth or women. Common theme there…..

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:23 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:20 pm

When the whole coast is underwater 3 or 4 generations from now, people will look back on evil doers Iike Fred and equate them with slave owners. Greedy earth killing jerks.
++++++++++++++++++++++

What do you mean? I have slaves as well. Want to buy one?

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:23 pm

Fred,

Does your daughter watch you flip through the SI swimsuit edition? Sick.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:24 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:21 pm

Fred is a sexist pig who objectifies women. Your mother would be disgusted with you.

No respect for Mother Earth or women. Common theme there…..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Or baseball or apple pie. I’ll sell you a sex slave slathered in apple pie if you want one……..

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:24 pm

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:23 pm

Fred,

Does your daughter watch you flip through the SI swimsuit edition? Sick.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah. She wants to be a fashion designer and the whole concept intrigues her.

Eat the Rich

February 26th, 2012
3:25 pm

“What do you mean? I have slaves as well. Want to buy one?”

Sick, you belong in jail.

josef

February 26th, 2012
3:26 pm

EAT THE RICH

Might want to hold off on the “props and respect!” The Unmentionable is still looking for his retirement Geronimo’s Cadillac! :-)

Don’t Forget…

He is that. He’s also a good looking feller who’s the “catch” for the fifth grade girls. “I don’t know what it is they see in me.” And all you can say is, “and that, Bubba, is why you’re their ideal.” He’s had a rough row to hoe academically because he has a serious reading problem…this mural was his classroom teacher’s idea so he could “shine.” It was interesting to watch as he took his project from sketch to design and then the math to bring it from the sketch pad to the wall…will he pass CRCT? Probably not and will be marked as a “failure.” Yet he is gifted…it just doesn’t show up on the bubble in…

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 26th, 2012
3:31 pm

What movie?

“That’s Marilyn Monroe, that’s Mamie Van Doren… I don’t see Jayne Mansfield, she must have the night off”

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:32 pm

That is too cool josef. I wish there was some way you could post a picture……..

josef

February 26th, 2012
3:38 pm

FRED

I’m trying to get him to do an exhibition. He’s Muslim and from a relatively traditional background. To satisfy his folks, he has been at work on some art in the traditional styles, the teacher I was talking about is using it in her unit on geometry…

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
3:50 pm

“Doggone, we are running out of oil, or haven’t you noticed the price?”

And we’ve got plenty of alternatives, we just aren’t at the point yet where enough people realize we need to use them and prefect them.

Brosephus™

February 26th, 2012
3:51 pm

Those taxes on your labor go to pay a portion of the cost of other peoples retirement

jm

FICA does nothing for someone’s retirement. Furthermore, the government runs that retirement program, therefore those taxes go towards the running of the government. Nice fail though. I’d quit while I was behind if I were you. However, you’re not confident enough in yourself to admit your failings, so you will continue to fail anyway.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
3:54 pm

However, you’re not confident enough in yourself to admit your failings, so you will continue to fail anyway.

Plus he thrives on negative attention……….

Brosephus™

February 26th, 2012
3:55 pm

If you browse through Bro check this out. Today I get to be a leftist democrat AND an earth raping Republican. All in two pages.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

http://tinyurl.com/72qwm2h

Thrill up my leg time...

February 26th, 2012
3:55 pm

Clinton Defends Obama Apology

Clinton also said that ‘My Enthusiasm for the President Got a Little Out of Hand’

wet wiccan

February 26th, 2012
3:58 pm

Finn @ 3:31 – That would be from Pulp Fiction.

Your turn … what movie?

“Well, I’ve got news for you pal, you ain’t leadin’ but two things, right now: Jack and *sheet*… and Jack left town. “

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
4:01 pm

FRED,

Sorry, went out to fill one of my kids tanks….can you please explain to me your and your pal BO’s strategy to provide near term solution to gas problem?

And no on the FOX news ruse…generally I get news from Economist, Wash Post, ….I find you left wingers and the far right wingers the most fun to pick fights with….you know, in debating class I learned that when you start the name calling, you concede…do you think that is true?

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
4:03 pm

“can you please explain to me your and your pal BO’s strategy to provide near term solution to gas problem?”

Can you please explain what YOU think he should be doing?

getalife

February 26th, 2012
4:07 pm

I stood up against you cons destroying our country with your hero w but will stand down as you cons destroy your party.

Do you cons have to destroy something to be happy?

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
4:09 pm

DOGGONE,

I see nothing wrong with negotiating with more drilling, pipelines with benefits, and eliminating gas tax of 18 cents…may not seem like much to the rich folks on this forum, but assuming a 20 gallon tank, I think a few bucks is better than none….consider it another gallon on the house.

The evironmental risks are trivial and if he wants to get re-elected despite the weak and ridiculous competition, he better come up with something better than what he is presently offering…what exactly is his near term strategy again?

Can you recall last time a leader advised us we needed to spend a grand or so more on gas per month and we need to grin and bear it? Oh yeah, and it’s not his fault or responsibility..

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
4:12 pm

GETALIFE,

Take responsibility for your spineless wonder. Bush hasn’t been in office for a few years now and your pal had DEM majority in congress for quite some time….

No way he wins on his crap record…..of course he did agree to allow the Seals to kill OBL…of course he needed 10 years of intelligence network reconstruction to be in a position to approve that order…also, he slugged down stimulus mostly to the benefit of his cronies, and let’s not forget his signature healthcare bill that was passed in the backrooms…in the dark, and will do nothing but cost us money and increase entitlements….not likely to hold up in SC..

Do as I say, not as I do...

February 26th, 2012
4:17 pm

MSNBC producers dutifully brought on DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz on this morning’s Jansing & Co. program to please their liberal viewers with the Democrat spin on last night’s GOP debate. Yet host Chris Jansing didn’t laugh or question when the well-to-do Wasserman Schultz claimed that she was a member of the middle class

…Yet some simple online research clearly shows Schultz is anything but a middle-class American. First, with a congressional salary of $174,000 plus the numerous free perks that come with being both a congresswoman and head of the DNC such as taxpayer paid travel, immediately disqualify her middle-class claims. In fact, her Congressional salary is more than three times greater than the median salary for individuals in her own district (FL-20) which is $54,194.

Furthermore, for a woman who on a weekly basis demands that Mitt Romney release his financial statements, it is very troubling that since 2004, her husband, who is the Vice President of Commercial Lending at the Community Bank of Broward has his salary listed as N/A on Federal Financial Disclosure Statements required of all Members of Congress.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
4:17 pm

pipelines with benefits,

sounds like some sort of political euphemism

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2012
4:18 pm

If Stevie Ray cannot afford gas to drive his vehicle, he could walk or ride the bus or sit at home or hitch a ride. Why do cons always expect someone else to fix their problems for them. Grab ahold of your bootstraps, Stevie, and yank harder.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
4:19 pm

stevie,

I will judge him after his second term but in a country with too many cons, he is good as it gets.

Corrupt congress is out of control.

We should vote them out but it never happens.

Brosephus™

February 26th, 2012
4:19 pm

Pardon the interruption, but…

I don’t see much of anything that Obama can do to lower gas prices other than nationalizing the oil and gas industry here. Any attempt at trying to “negotiate” anything other than that would result in absolutely nothing changing with oil prices and/or gas prices. Our gas prices now are the result of decades of knowing this problem was coming and doing nothing to avoid it.

TaxPayer

February 26th, 2012
4:21 pm

And here are you some pipelines with benefits, Stevie. You’re welcome.

Don't Forget

February 26th, 2012
4:21 pm

josef,
nice job by that teacher. Not only will the project boost that kid’s self esteem, (appropriately through achievement) but it also shows the rest of the class that people who struggle in one area can still succeed in others. Very nice.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
4:23 pm

Lay off Fred…he’s entitled to his opinions like everyone else. Man this is getting too far over the top to be reality. People should remember that this is an opinion blog and if you disagree with someones opinion lay off and just move on because you won’t change anyone’s take on the issues by attacking them.

Brosephus™

February 26th, 2012
4:23 pm

Another quick question…

There was all kinds of ruckus when Valerie Jarrett appeared at Ebenezer Baptist Church. There have now been two GOP CANDIDATES who have spoken at First Redeemer Church. Is it ok that candidates themselves speak at churches but not someone associated with a candidate, or is this one of those things that’s ok for Republicans but a no-no for Democrats?

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
4:25 pm

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
4:01 pm

FRED,

Sorry, went out to fill one of my kids tanks….can you please explain to me your and your pal BO’s strategy to provide near term solution to gas problem?

And no on the FOX news ruse…generally I get news from Economist, Wash Post, ….I find you left wingers and the far right wingers the most fun to pick fights with….you know, in debating class I learned that when you start the name calling, you concede…do you think that is true?
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And what did they call, it in your debating class when you do listen to/read the other persons rebuttal but recycle the same crap in yours? I call it stupidity.

“Name calling” is weak. When someone is a dumb ass and you identify them as such you haven’t called a name, you’ve identified something.

Read above. Someone is WAY f’ed up. I’ve been called a leftist and Obama’s bud by YOU and yet a page later I was called an earth raping republican and asked which one of THOSE asshats I was voting for.

You really need to brush up on your comprehension skills along with that other guy. Oh, and have your kids buy their own damn gas.

paulo977

February 26th, 2012
4:27 pm

josef :my art student has his mural finished, school was open today, so we went in and put it up…folks, I’m telling you, this little feller is a talent…and modest.
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That to me is what schools ought to be encouraging more instead of the mindless regurgitation of facts that they expect of their kids!!

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
4:27 pm

Stevie Ray

February 26th, 2012
4:12 pm

GETALIFE,

Take responsibility for your spineless wonder. Bush hasn’t been in office for a few years now and your pal had DEM majority in congress for quite some time….

No way he wins on his crap record…..of course he did agree to allow the Seals to kill OBL…of course he needed 10 years of intelligence network reconstruction to be in a position to approve that order…also, he slugged down stimulus mostly to the benefit of his cronies, and let’s not forget his signature healthcare bill that was passed in the backrooms…in the dark, and will do nothing but cost us money and increase entitlements….not likely to hold up in SC..
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LOL This WHOLE POST comes right out of the Republican talking point radio talk show play book but he’s NOT a Republican and it’s just “coincidence” that he hits every talking point with the correct verbiage.

Come on dude. How can we have a conversation when your end is based on deceit and lies?

josef

February 26th, 2012
4:28 pm

Don’t Forget

Now if we could only get that pack of village idiots promoting those d*mnable standardized tests (easily scored by computer and reflecting zero, zilch, nada of the student’s capacities) to see that.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
4:32 pm

Lay off where Del? Please explain where I have stepped over a line? I refuse to let someone pee down my back and call it rain. They try and I’m going to identify it as urine. Heck, I played the man at least THREE kick assed Jams. How can I NOT like someone named Stevie Ray? There is coolness beyond belief implied just in the name……….

josef

February 26th, 2012
4:36 pm

PAULO
As you know, testing season is upon us…not a happy time…it’s the l’il fellers like that one though that put it all in perspective and remind me what we’re doing in the classroom in the first place…

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
4:37 pm

Dang fat fingers: That should have been DON’T listen to/read the Stevie Ray. You keep posting the same stuff but it’s obvious you aren’t reading what we answer…………… what’s the matter? The answers to the replies we make aren’t coming up in your handy dandy republican talking point handguide?

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
4:37 pm

Fred, even though I disagree with many of your opinions, I was actually defending your right to express them. I read some of the posts from your far left buddies attacking you and Marines come to the aid of those under attack from the enemy.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
4:41 pm

josef: My cousin tried to be a teacher. He was a computer scientist and he did that program to get tech folks in the school. His “principal’ of the school that had one of the highest turnover rates of teachers got to check several boxes when she screwed him. She got to get rid of a man, a white man, and one of those interlopers who studied science not teaching and THOUGHT they could teach. (She’s the same twit who charged racism at Lakeside and got the Principal there tossed out before her blatant lies and cronyism was exposed). Anyway………

His observation was that once test season comes around, all you do is “teach” the test. Once the tests are over school may as well be too because they aren’t allowed to “teach” anything else.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
4:47 pm

LOL Del. My bad. I thought you were saying lay off Fred, as in I should lay off, not Lay off Frwed as in you folks lay off that man Fred.

Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks. I have actually TRIED to be more polite and was wondering where I had been ugly to Stevie.

As I said in an earlier post (and don’t take this the wrong way), the stuff I have read from you lately is completely different from what I remembered you for and what you gave me when I got back. I don’t hold grudges, I’m too stupid to remember who I’m supposed to hate or be mad at. Well there are a few exceptions lol, but they remind me daily. You aren’t one of them.

Thanks again and sorry I read that wrong.

josef

February 26th, 2012
4:59 pm

FRED

The problem with the schools, public as well as private, is that we’ve got an awful lot of “educators” and not enough “teachers.”

Stop supporting buffoonery in the pulpit

February 26th, 2012
4:59 pm

The inappropriate antics of many clergy could easily cause one to wonder if there are any moral standards for those who preach and teach morality. We are all too familiar with the flaws among some Catholic priests and their highly publicized breaches of trust and sexual indiscretions with children. But Protestants have our share of disgraces in the pulpit, too.

http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/02/26/opinion-stop-supporting-buffoonery-in-the-pulpit/?hpt=hp_c2

Brosephus™

February 26th, 2012
5:13 pm

First, the news on how much those Catepillar jobs will cost Athens-Clark and Oconee, and then there’s this…

http://www.macon.com/2012/02/26/1920645/go-fish-flops-in-first-year.html

PERRY — When state officials announced plans to build the Go Fish Georgia Educational Center in Perry in 2007, they predicted annual attendance of 200,000.

By the time it opened in October 2010, the projection had dropped to 100,000. As it turned out, even that was too ambitious.

The center in reality drew about 15,000 in its first 12 months of operation, giving plenty of ammunition to those who criticized then-Gov. Sonny Perdue for spending $19 million on the center and statewide mega-boat ramp construction during a budget crisis. Cutbacks at the time included furloughs and layoffs of state employees.

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According to Department of Natural Resources figures, attendance in the first 15 months of operation, through the end of January, was 16,242 general admission visitors and 2,789 educational participants, for a total of 19,031, generating $89,361 in revenue.

The annual budget, including the cost of operations, eight full-time and two part-time employees, is $692,287.

According to DNR spokeswoman Liz Starkey, the funding comes from federal Sport Fish Restoration grants, state fishing licenses and admission sales at the center. The federal money comes from federal taxes on ammunition, guns, fishing equipment and motorboat fuel. The state can get the federal money, she said, only if it spends 100 percent of fishing and hunting license revenue on wildlife programs.

She said there was no revenue projection when the center opened, and it is not meant to be self-sufficient.

So, Gov. Perdue’s Go Fish!! has flopped. Not only that, it was never designed to be self-sufficient. It was designed to feed off of federal dollars. Who would have ever thought???

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
5:13 pm

Fred,

No apology necessary. I think everyone should be able to voice their opinion free from intimidation or ridicule. I haven’t changed as I’m an unabashed conservative Republican in my political views. I’m a conservative Republican only because there is sadly no longer any conservative Democrats. I’m no longer a young man but I have a late life daughter who will only be five years old in June. I fear for her future in a divided country that can’t find a way to work together and solve the nations problems. I remember Ronald Reagan and Tipp O’neal who were of different political parties but could still get things accomplished in the best interests of our country.

Midori

February 26th, 2012
5:25 pm

I can’t wait to see what Stevie Ray posts next.

I’ll bet he’s emailing Rush right now :lol:

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
5:37 pm

Midori

February 26th, 2012
5:25 pm

I can’t wait to see what Stevie Ray posts next.

I’ll bet he’s emailing Rush right now
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LOL Midori. Your comment made me laugh because it remeinded me of a friend I had once who was always agitating………. I asked him one time why he did it.

He said,” You ever notice all them washing machines is white?”
“Yeah,” I answered.

He replied, “Well them clothes wouldn’t get clean it there weren’t a that black agitator in there.”

:lol:

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
5:42 pm

“Well them clothes wouldn’t get clean it there weren’t a that black agitator in there.”

Maybe it’s a good think he can’t see inside MY washer then!

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
5:57 pm

This was thirty years ago Doggone. The agitators have changed lol.

bman

February 26th, 2012
5:57 pm

I can’t say for certain, but I think I just saw gas for over $4 a gal. I will drive-by again tomorrow to check. It’s tough to watch the road, the asian lady beside me in a car, and the gas sign in 4 seconds.. ..

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
6:18 pm

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 26th, 2012
6:18 pm

Well, I don’t know about you but I’ll stop complaining about gas prices and blaming the President right after a godly Republican takes over in the White House. Then and only then I’ll say the President can’t control gas prices, etc. Not that I’m partisan or anything.

Anyways, the Rev. Postlewaite come down hard this morning on the people that want to make churches and insurance cos. pay for birth control. His message—and I don’t want to put a pretty face on it—was, Keep It In Your Pants. It sure made some of the women at the service blush. All the men sort of looked stone-faced, like butter couldn’t melt in their mouth and they don’t do things like the stuff that causes babys anyway.

Well, I guess I’ll lay around and watch the Academy Awards tonite. Since I don’t go to movies it’s a real suprize to me when a movie or a actor wins a Oscar. That’s the good part of not knowing anything. You can’t spend your off time ripping and roaring at Billy Bob’s and watch movies too. Much less have time to blog.

Have a good night everybody.

Midori

February 26th, 2012
6:24 pm

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
6:27 pm

Oops, meant the 25th!

Mick

February 26th, 2012
6:34 pm

Santorum is nuts…

josef

February 26th, 2012
6:35 pm

SOOTH

Thanks for the selection. One of the greats of all time, imuo. Given your love of bluegrass gospel, I can almost, but not quite, foregive you your other sins and transgressions! :-)

josef

February 26th, 2012
6:36 pm

MICK

Putting it mildly…

bman

February 26th, 2012
6:38 pm

“Santorum is nuts…”

he not only scares me, he freaks me out. He is way way wayyyyy out there

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
6:42 pm

“he not only scares me, he freaks me out. He is way way wayyyyy out there”

Yeah, he’s scary…but not nearly as scary as those people who keep him up close to the top of the polling.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
6:43 pm

We are supposedly withdrawing our troops from Iraq, after our stunning “victory” there, but nothing is said of the mercenaries, or “contractors” as our leaders would characterize them, who have replaced the troops at greater cost to the American people than our own military would incur. We are “leaving” Afghanistan, after wasting 10 years, countless lives, and billions of dollars of our taxpayer’s money, only to remain there with civilian soldiers, not directly beholden to the Pentagon. And now we are about to invade Iran, as if our involvement there is in support of Israeli aggression. Israel could not exist for 30 minutes without U.S. military support. What garbage and nonsense it is to suggest that we are not the ones making the ultimate decision regarding the invasion of Iran!

With Tea Party spokespeople, right-wing think tanks, like the Hoover Institute, with high-placed politicians and government employees such as Clarence Thomas’ wife, Virginia Thomas (who drew income from the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank where she worked from 1998 to 2003 and from Liberty Central, a conservative political education group she co-founded in January 2009 in part to energize Tea Party activists), or AIPAC, or the other front groups for Israel, Zionism and American corporate militarism, the oligarchs and thieves who have robbed the American people blind can sit back and laugh themselves all the way to the bank.

The U.S does have its own apologists and spokespeople; i.e., those who are responsible for keeping the belligerent determined face on America. Susan Rice looked like a fool screaming her defiance toward Iran, Russia and China at the U.N., passing resolution after resolution, each more transparent than the next while trying to look credible and aggressive. Clinton continues her unbelievable tirades trying to pretend that we are outsourcing “American democracy” throughout the world. Both are as ridiculous as Khrushchev, pounding his shoe on the table at the U.N. General Assembly on October 12, 1960.

Perhaps you spoke too soon, josef.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
6:47 pm

“he not only scares me, he freaks me out. He is way way wayyyyy out there”

Looks like some sanity returned to this blog.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
6:52 pm

I’ll keep shouting it until they come and arrest me!

josef

February 26th, 2012
6:54 pm

SOOTH

Not to worry, I expected as much. :-)

Jm

February 26th, 2012
6:54 pm

Bro 4:19

Dude stop make yourself look dumber than you are.

Three little letters: SPR (look them up if you need to)

josef

February 26th, 2012
6:55 pm

getalife

So, Mec, how was Carnival?

josef

February 26th, 2012
6:56 pm

Jm

Obviously, you’re out to pick a fight. I’ve got my lesson plans completed…what you want to fight about? :-)

stands for decibels

February 26th, 2012
6:57 pm

“he not only scares me, he freaks me out. He is way way wayyyyy out there”

Looks like some sanity returned to this blog.

Good piece on Santorum’s weird JFK bit over here…

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/sick-man-santorum-makes-it-explicit.html

I don’t think Ricky understands his history very well. Evidently, he was unaware that in 1960, conservatives thought of Catholics the same way think of Muslims today. He seems under the impression that America was a wonderful religiously tolerant nation until the horrible secularists came along and ruined everything.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:01 pm

Josef, I can’t think of much.

We can talk about schools eh?

What do you think of the idea of converting all schools to charter schools? Helps solve that “educator” abundance problem…..

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
7:04 pm

Ummm, America elected a Roman Catholic President in 1960 and a mixed race Black and White President in 08. I guess the country must be extremely intolerant.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
7:04 pm

Nearly a year ago, Western-backed insurgent violence erupted. Heavily armed foreign fighters supplemented internal ones. Al Qaeda’s very much involved.

Russian and Chinese peace initiatives are spurned. Washington, rogue NATO partners, and pro-Western regional allies want conflict.

Reports suggest Jordan’s hosting 40,000 heavily armed insurgents along Syria’s southern border ready to intervene. Former Libyan Al Qaeda commander Abdelhakim Belhadj commands nearly half of them.

Iraqi fighters are massed to Syria’s east, ready to join them. So are so-called Free Syrian Army insurgents north in Turkey. Perhaps escalated violence is planned for Sunday, February 26, when Syrians vote up or down on Assad’s new draft constitution.

A mass supportive turnout would embarrass Washington, its allies, and insurgent leaders. Preventing it violently may be planned.

Syrian National Council and Free Syrian Army dissidents reject it out of hand. So does Washington. White House spokesman Jay Carney called it “laughable. It makes a mockery of the Syrian revolution. Promises of reforms have usually been followed by an increase in brutality and have never been delivered by the regime” since protests began.

Other US officials made similar disparaging remarks. Washington want protracted conflict to replace Assad with a pro-Western regime.

They ignore his repeated good faith reform announcements and thousands of released prisoners. At the same time, insurgent violence continues. He’s blamed for confronting it responsibly. So would other leaders to restore order.

This so-called “democracy” crusade in Syria is nothing more than mercenaries paid for by Washington who are about to get their asses whooped.

How stupid and naive the American public is. How absolutely easily swayed and gullible they are. It’s just spectacular.

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:06 pm

jm

I’m not opposed to charter schools. I’m not necessarilly for converting all schools to charter. I am for abolishing the departments of education federal and state and returning schools to local control.

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:08 pm

SOOTH

Methinks you’re a not-so-underground agent for Hezbollah!

getalife

February 26th, 2012
7:09 pm

josef,

Wet and wild.

“I guess the country must be extremely intolerant.”

No but most cons are .

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
7:11 pm

No, josef, I’m against U.S./Israeli hegemony and aggression in the Middle East. I’m not really in favor of World War III.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:11 pm

Josef, I’m all for local control. But I do think national testing is a good idea. It helps you figure out what is working where for core skills like math and reading.

That said, I’m not sure compensation should be tied to scores except at the principal level. Instead, we need better educated and empowered principals who will fire subpar teachers and study and support good teachers.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
7:11 pm

What an intrinsically stupid and naive country we are, it’s amazing we’ve survived and prospered as a nation. I guess the far-left has finally convinced America that we’re stupid, naive and unworthy and therefore should roll over and die as a nation.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:13 pm

Recon :) like the sarc

getalife

February 26th, 2012
7:14 pm

del,

Which part of ” we are back and those who say America is down don’t know what they are talking about” do you not understand?

bman

February 26th, 2012
7:15 pm

“Yeah, he’s scary…but not nearly as scary as those people who keep him up close to the top of the polling.”

I think you will see his support fade

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:17 pm

Bman

I find santorum’s criticism of higher education as liberal to be a bit funny

I do think on balance colleges tend to be liberal, but not my university

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
7:19 pm

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:20 pm

Santorum is just silly

Not totally crazy

But his MTP interview was pretty bad IMO

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:20 pm

jm

We’ve had the ITBS for a long time…not a bad measure. Stick with what has worked and quit dilly dallying around with “reform” and “innovation. The key to your argument is “empowered” principals. That has to come when they are no longer toadies for a mess of bureaucrats from DC on down…they, better than anyone else, knows what the local school needs…

SOOTH

You better be nice to your zionist hoodlum buddy Bibi…his government is the only one with plans to deal with the Alawite and Christian refugees when the Iranian-backed regime in Damascus bites the dust and that is only a matter of weeks…

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
7:20 pm

getalife,

I can only say that I don’t know what you’re talking about. I only hope for your sake that you do and just can’t express yourself very well.

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:23 pm

I wish Santorum could be dismissed as crazy. He’s tapped into something a lot of us just wish wasn’t there…but it is.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
7:23 pm

Jm, the left brings it out, but it will only travel over their heads.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
7:25 pm

“when the Iranian-backed regime in Damascus bites the dust and that is only a matter of weeks…”

I wouldn’t be so sure about that, josef.

bman

February 26th, 2012
7:26 pm

if the rep nominee is anyone other than Romney, I won’t care who wins the election.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:27 pm

Josef

I agree. I think that is the beauty with charters. Responsibility.

Go charter, let the local school board fire principals for failing schools and if that doesn’t fix the problem, shut the school down.

And if they’re responsibilities we’re solely hiring and firing principals and revoking charters, it seems the state, rather than local school boards would be best positioned in some ways. More independence, better specialists, etc.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
7:28 pm

Santorum,

Has derailed his momentum by hanging on to social issues and failing to address economic and foreign policy issues. He is now just a past tense flavor of the week and Romney will be the Republican ball carrier into November.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:28 pm

Bman, I’m with you, I’m ready for Romney

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:29 pm

SOOTH

I’m not about to express any certainty on anything dealing with the Byzantine world of the ME. However, it doesn’t matter how many buds you’ve got abroad (even if the last remaining ones are Iran, China and Russia), when the entire population goes into revolt, the only way out is to kill ‘em all and while I’ve no doubt Assad would do that, the logistics are against it…too many bodies to dispose of…

Brosephus™

February 26th, 2012
7:34 pm

jm: Three little letters: SPR (look them up if you need to)

And what will releasing oil from there do longterm? Releasing oil from there will temporarily drop oil prices. As long as Iran’s acting as crazy as you, oil prices ain’t changing. Has any release from those reserves had a long term effect on the price of oil? $3.65 gas is not a national emergency. $4 gas is not a national emergency. If there were something that caused a severe disruption in the flow of oil, then release from the SPR would be a solution. There is no huge shortage of oil on the market. The price is going up because of speculation that there will be big shortages.

I wish you would quit trying to make me seem dumb when you’re only showing that you don’t know what you think you know. You should feel embarassed that an immigration officer has to sit down and explain market forces to you. I know I’d be embarassed if I were in your shoes.

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:34 pm

jm

Like I said, my jury is still out on the charter schools, but it is the only path available as things now stand, to bring the school back under command and control of the principal. As we in Atlanta are painfully aware, the elected schoolboard can’t be trusted, but at least if we did come to the local schoolboard as the place the buck stops, the locals would be getting what they deserve…

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
7:38 pm

The western media demonizes those at whom Washington points a finger. The lies pour forth to justify Washington’s naked aggression: the Taliban are conflated with al Qaeda, Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, Gaddafi is a terrorist and, even worse, fortified his troops with Viagra in order to commit mass rape against Libyan women.

President Obama and members of Congress along with Tel Aviv continue to assert that Iran is making a nuclear weapon despite public contradiction by the US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and the CIA’s National Intelligence Estimate. According to news reports, Pentagon chief Leon Panetta told members of the House of Representatives on February 16 that “Tehran has not made a decision to proceed with developing a nuclear weapon.” However, in Washington facts don’t count. Only the material interests of powerful interest groups matter.

At the moment the American Ministry of Truth is splitting its time between lying about Iran and lying about Syria. Recently, there were some explosions in far away Thailand, and the explosions were blamed on Iran. Last October the FBI announced that the bureau had uncovered an Iranian plot to pay a used car salesman to hire a Mexican drug gang to kill the Saudi Ambassador to the US. The White House idiot professed to believe the unbelievable plot and declared that he had “strong evidence,” but no evidence was ever released. The purpose for announcing the non-existent plot was to justify Obama’s sanctions, which amount to an embargo–an act of war–against Iran for developing nuclear energy.

As a signatory to the non-proliferation treaty, Iran has the right to develop nuclear energy. IAEA inspectors are permanently in Iran and report no diversion of nuclear material to a weapons program.

In other words, according to the reports of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the US National Intelligence Estimate, and the current Secretary of Defense, there is no evidence that Iran has nukes or is making nukes. Yet, Obama has placed illegal sanctions on Iran and continues to threaten Iran with military attack on the basis of an accusation that is contradicted by all known evidence.

How can such a thing happen? It can happen because there is no Helen Thomas, who also was eliminated by the Israel Lobby, to question, as a member of the White House press, President Obama why he placed war-like sanctions on Iran when his own CIA and his own Secretary of Defense, along with the IAEA, report that there is no basis for the sanctions.

I hope every single one of you enjoys World War III and that your children will have to leave their nice, comfortable dorm rooms to go fight for a war of hegemony.

You stupid, ignorant, gullible imbeciles. You deserve what you get!

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:39 pm

Josef, I think we agree we need better empowered, better educated, and more talented principals

One can only hope that comes to fruition in some way shape or form

The wheels of government turn so slowly though…..

bman

February 26th, 2012
7:39 pm

Bro .. .. I didn’t know you were an immigration officer. I thought you protected from bad guys who try to fly the friendly skies?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:42 pm

Bro you asked what the president “can” do. I answered. Yes, it has only a short term impact and I’m not in favor of it excepting a real national emergency. But it something Obama can do, and has done previously.

You were hollering that there’s nothing the president can do, like he’s just some leaf in the wind. That’s just not true. Except our president is adrift…..

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:44 pm

SOOTH

Iran has shot its wad. Like Syria, it will most likely collapse from within. China and Russia have already seen that they’ve backed the wrong horse and are now looking for a face-saving way out.

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
7:46 pm

“f there were something that caused a severe disruption in the flow of oil, then release from the SPR would be a solution. ”

It wouldn’t really be a solution. All it would do, at best, is postpone the inevitable for short time. But the inevitable will still happen. The SPR doesn’t hold much oil in terms of our daily rate of usage, let alone something like our annual rate.

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:47 pm

I’m no big fan of Obama (Bush Lite), didn’t vote for him last go ’round and if I do mark the ballot by his name this go round it won’t be “for” him, but out of fear for what may be running against him. That said, he’s not done an altogether bad job considering what he’s been up against.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:50 pm

Doggone

The SPR isn’t meant to keep prices low in the long run, even though Dems are begging Obama to release the SPR to help their re election chances

The SPR is there to ensure oil is AVAILABLE in the event of disruption

bman

February 26th, 2012
7:50 pm

I think it’s great to explore alternatives for oil. However, every few years I hear the same reason why we shouldn’t drill here or there. It’s always “it will be years before the oil is actually on the market”.

Welcome to years later.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
7:51 pm

I feel like we (the United States) are the unwitting Lennie and Israel is George in Steinbeck’s Of Mice and Men. We (the United States) like to “pet” things, but unintentionally kill them. Lennie has a mild mental disability, and is deeply devoted to George and [is] dependent upon him for protection and guidance. George complains loudly that his life would be easier without having to care for Lennie, but the reader senses that their friendship and devotion is mutual. Does any of this sound familiar to you?

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
7:54 pm

“Iran has shot its wad. Like Syria, it will most likely collapse from within. China and Russia have already seen that they’ve backed the wrong horse and are now looking for a face-saving way out.”

You keep believing that, OK?

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
7:54 pm

The left likes to blame oil industry speculators. How about if Obama came on national/world wide news and said that the United States because of this gasoline price crises is now going to open up Anwar in Alaska along with other federal government controlled land to exploration and drilling as well as approving the Canadian Keystone pipeline. The time has come for America to exploit all of its energy production resources to become independent from all foreign sources outside of North America. Which direction will the speculators turn and how might that influence the price of oil?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
7:55 pm

Sooth don’t try to over apply analogies

josef

February 26th, 2012
7:58 pm

Literary analogies? The Mouse that Roared :-)

josef

February 26th, 2012
8:01 pm

SOOTH

In the Macciavellian scheme of things, what do China and Russia stand to gain? Proxy politicking and propaganda are one thing, all out bang, bang shoot ‘em up is another and not in their best interests.

bman

February 26th, 2012
8:02 pm

“The time has come for America to exploit all of its energy production resources to become independent from all foreign sources outside of North America.”

If Obama said this tomorrow, the price would fall like a rock. Like the stocks of companies, oil is traded (as we can clearly see) and priced for what “speculators” believe it will be worth.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
8:02 pm

What the Ministry of Truth calls “peaceful protesters brutalized by Assad’s military” are in fact rebels armed and financed by Washington. Washington has fomented a civil war. Washington claims its intention is to rescue the oppressed and abused Syrian people from Assad, just as Washington rescued the oppressed and abused Libyan people from Gaddafi. Today “liberated” Libya is a shell of its former self terrorized by clashing militias. Thanks to Obama, another country has been destroyed.

Washington set its puppet Arab League upon Syria in order to establish Syria’s isolation among its own kind, the better to attack Syria. Assad forestalled Washington’s set-up of Syria for destruction by calling a nationwide referendum on February 26 to establish a new constitution that would extend the prospect of rule beyond the Ba’athists (Assad’s party).

One might think that, if Washington and its Ministry of Truth really wanted democracy in Syria, Washington would get behind this gesture of good will by the ruling party and endorse the referendum. But Washington does not want a democratic Syrian government. Washington wants a puppet state. Washington’s response is that the dastardly Assad has outwitted Washington by taking steps toward Syrian democracy before Washington can obliterate Syria and install a puppet.

Obama, the neoconservatives, and Tel Aviv are really pissed. If Washington and Tel Aviv can figure out how to get around Russia and China and overthrow Assad, Washington and Tel Aviv will put Assad on trial as a war criminal for proposing a democratic referendum.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
8:03 pm

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
8:09 pm

“what do China and Russia stand to gain?”

Iran has the second largest oil reserves (second only to Saudi Arabia) in the World. And, many Caspian Sea oil pipelines pass through Iran to the Persian Gulf and Russia.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
8:12 pm

I wonder how many of you can remember the puppet government that the then Soviet Union set up in Afghanistan when they invaded that country? Can you remember what you thought about that government? Did you think that they had the country’s best interests at heart or the Soviet Union’s?

Oh! but wait! We’re the “good guys,” right?

josef

February 26th, 2012
8:12 pm

SOOTH
With Iran’s current regime in eclipse, why would Russia and China risk all out war for that access. All they have to do is wait for a regime change…

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
8:15 pm

josef: I haven’t seen or read anything that suggests that Iran’s government is in decline. Quite the opposite.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:18 pm

“If Obama said this tomorrow, the price would fall like a rock.”

1. Is this based on some assumption that oil is just in a pool for us to extract and have on the market tomorrow?

2. If the US could produce enough oil in the short term to impact price, who really thinks OPEC, Russia, Mexico, Brazil and Canada and will not slow their own production to influence the price? Because they like us? Really?

josef

February 26th, 2012
8:21 pm

SOOTH
I’d say the 2009 revolt would suggest that…the forces of change might have gone underground, but they didn’t go away…the winds of change are blowing that way…you can repress and repress, but the longer and the harder you do, the greater the reaction when it comes…

getalife

February 26th, 2012
8:22 pm

del,

You should listen to our President so you would have a clue.

Dow is at 13,000 and record profits are flowing for the ones you bow down for.

It’s all good.

Sock Puppet

February 26th, 2012
8:23 pm

Puppet governments are fun to play with.

St Simons - we're on Island time

February 26th, 2012
8:23 pm

just like Time was not on the side of the neanderthals 12,000 yrs ago
it is not on the side of the neanderthals now, here or there.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:25 pm

josef

I think you are correct or pretty close in regards to China and Russia………. I believe they are already working back door channels with the US and UK to insure that they will not lose much if any of their contracts with Syria……… Both do plenty of business………. They get assurances, they will both step aside unlike they have so far in terms of the UN

My analysis is simple compared to the myriad of issues and complications, but to your point, Russia and China are not going to intercede to do much for Syria

bman

February 26th, 2012
8:26 pm

“1. Is this based on some assumption that oil is just in a pool for us to extract and have on the market tomorrow?

It wouldn’t matter if it were years before it hit the market. It would have the same effect as Apple if they were to announce new styling and more innovative options for their new iphone that would be released – not tomorrow, but by 2013. The price of oil would fall.

“2. If the US could produce enough oil in the short term to impact price, who really thinks OPEC, Russia, Mexico, Brazil and Canada and will not slow their own production to influence the price? Because they like us? Really?”

They like our $ lol .. .. But again, I was specific about long-term as far as the oil itself being available on the market. In the short term, the price would fall. It would have to ..

Jm

February 26th, 2012
8:26 pm

BOTH is intuiting some game theory

Some sound postulations there BOTH

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
8:27 pm

TheyBOTHsuck, When gasoline prices were skyrocketing toward four bucks a gallon on Bush’s watch he announced accelerated exploration and issued numerous drilling permits on federal land as well as off shore that caused a significant drop in fuel prices. When Obama took office the price per gallon of gasoline’s national average was $1.83 per gallon.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
8:28 pm

St Simons

There are these people called Visigoths, and Huns…..

Civilization has to fight back constantly or it will collapse.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
8:31 pm

Both

Where you go astray is its not just about the price of oil

It’s more about the “balance of payments”

Google it

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
8:33 pm

“Russia and China are not going to intercede to do much for Syria”

but Iran will and Russia along with China will be background partners as they have been. War with Iran is inevitable the question is will it become a world war that includes Russia and China.

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
8:34 pm

This is a digest of the multi-dimensional and multi-track strategy that is in place, and is being pursued simultaneously in a coordinated manner, by The Executive Branch, Defense Department, State Department, and all intelligence agencies.

1. Preparing the public

Our media and public diplomacy campaign is working. The public can be conditioned into supporting us. The Pew Center has released a study showing, “The public (now) supports tough measures – including the possible use of military force – to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Nearly six-in-ten (58%) say it is more important to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, even if it means taking military action. Just 30% say it is more important to avoid a military conflict with Iran, even if it means that country develops nuclear weapons. These opinions are little changed from October 2009.

Israel is working with us in this effort, although. Like, in the laws governing the “SUPER PACS,” we can’t be seen to be “coordinating” with each other.

The Israel Lobby has been pushing for a tougher stand against Syria and Iran, as are the NeoCon “intellectuals” and even, increasingly, “liberal” hawks who support humanitarian intervention.

“What is surprising, though, is that despite the disaster of Iraq, looming withdrawal in what will amount to defeat in Afghanistan, and, to put it charitably, the ambiguous result of the U.N.-sanctioned, NATO-led, and Qatari-financed intervention that brought down Muammar al-Qaddafi’s regime, is how nearly complete the consensus for strong action has been even among less hawkish liberals, whether what is done takes the form of the United States and its NATO allies arming the Free Syrian Army, opening so-called humanitarian corridors, or encouraging Turkey and a coalition of the willing within the Arab League to do so.”

2. Preparing the Battlefield

Efforts are underway to prepare the military for a future campaign. The 5th Fleet, based in Bahrain, has already expanded its presence near the Straits of Hormuz. Troops are carrying our exercises on Islands off the coast of Yemen, near Iran. While the Iranians did capture one of our drones, our satellite surveillance is being strengthened.

“The Obama administration has relied ever more heavily on these elite military units, which have become what amounts to a secret army under the command of the US president and accountable to no one. JSOC, like the CIA, has been empowered to draw up kill lists of alleged terrorists and launch assassination missions. …

The increasing reliance on such methods has been facilitated by the embrace of militarism and imperialism by a layer of the affluent upper-middle class that previously was identified with anti-war sentiments.

3. Preparing the World

Tim Geithner and Secretary Clinton have been criscrossing the globe winning support for Anti-Iranian policies. They have got the whole world scared and uncertain, in part, by selectively leaking information that feeds fear, and reinforces the sense that “we have to do something!”

Russia and China remain a problem. They are worried about “regime change.” Note, like in Libya, we never use that term although that was the result of our support for a “humanitarian intervention.”

War may still be averted but the danger of war will dominate the news for the months to come, setting up a psychological background to the election campaign and likely convincing the public that they would be best served by keeping your Administration in office.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:36 pm

Recon @ 8:27

Good point however that is not taken into account the increase in demand both both China and India from that time until now………. Their economies while being hit by the global recession, are growing by leaps and bounds and as we know that takes fuel……….. and with those countries’ standards (or lack of) for the environment, etc………. They are taking whatever they can get to feed the fire

For the first time in numerous yrs the US is a NET exporter of oil and oil products. There isn’t any effort to keep all the US oil in the US. I’m not blaming the oil companies, but the FACTS are what they are…….. They can’t sell it overseas fast enough to help meet global demand even with a decrease here in the US.

A threat of closing the straight of Hormuz, an announcement by OPEC, the US, etc sure it can impact prices in the short term, but global demand and of course speculators will drive prices more than anything………

Beyond my pay grade and brainpower, however I wish I knew the true numbers behind speculation and how much it impacts the market

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:39 pm

Jm

OPEC and these other countries are not going to allow over the long term the market to be flooded with oil without decreasing production……

We will just have to agree to disagree on this issue…..

I certainly do not have all the answers…….. It is not just in “green energy” nor just drill, drill, drill and the problem goes away……. It is somewhere in between. Exactly where is beyond me to be totally honest

getalife

February 26th, 2012
8:39 pm

I see the cons have collective amnesia about Iraq too.

There will be no war with Iran so they should stop warmongering and the price will drop.

Big oil pays corrupt congress millions to get their record profits.

It is not Iran’s fault.

That is your fault.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:40 pm

Recon

I speaking more in terms of Syria…….. I do believe that depending on how Syria continues to play out, Russia and China will let them go……..

Iran…………….. that is probably another story

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
8:41 pm

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
8:46 pm

They Both suck,

My point is that the administrations position is that nothing can be done, while the previous administration did act and that action produced a positive result. It calls into question Obama’s posture of live with it because we can’t do anything, so let me invest more tax payer dollars in green energy. Nothing wrong with alternative energy but it will take the private sectors investment. Injecting government into the equation only produces Solyndra’s and nothing of greater substance.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
8:50 pm

“Injecting government into the equation only produces Solyndra’s and nothing of greater substance.”

Sure if you ignore the Internet revolution, the lobbying industry and the space race.

You seem to forget like an elephant del.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:51 pm

Recon

As I mentioned the answer is somewhere in between the all out green and all out drill, drill, drill……..

Where…… is beyond me…….

I’m not saying nor advocating that Obama has done everything right in terms of “energy” policy…… but saying it is all his fault is like the left blaming all the issues related to the economy on Bush……. It doesn’t fly either way

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
8:53 pm

getalife, yes…thank you for reminding me Al Gore did invent the internet. Didn’t he?

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
8:55 pm

“It doesn’t fly either way”

They BOTH suck, agreed.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:55 pm

Everyone

Have a great night and awesome start to your week………… I’m going to read before I turn it in.

Recon: chk out Frederick Forsyth. Great reading that I think you might enjoy. CIA, MI6, Mossad espionage stuff

Thulsa Doom

February 26th, 2012
8:58 pm

One thing about gas prices that’s for certain. Rightly or wrongly as gas prices climb Obama is going to get the blame, the anger, and the asskicking at the ballot box the higher and higher gas prices go.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
8:59 pm

TD @ 5:58

That is a BIG 10-4

Have a great night

getalife

February 26th, 2012
9:02 pm

Our President is drilling more than ever, investing in green energy, two new nuke plants and used the reserves.

There is nothing left except to approve the pipeline which he will.

del,

Gore did help invent the internet because it started with a government project.

They BOTH suck

February 26th, 2012
9:04 pm

meant 8:58

Tired

Peace

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:10 pm

“Our President is drilling more than ever”

Lie

More permits denied than ever under O

Let’s attempt to stick to facts even if that isn’t your forte get

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:12 pm

For those contemplating the crediblity of jm’s statements, it is now 40 years, and most folks still listen to the Beatles. The Beatles are the Sinatra of their time, and they substantially altered music for 3 generations. Sadly, distorted Rock is now aimed at 12 year old girls, whose parents feel guilty about not raising them,and blow money to compensate for that guilt. Also, technology, just as it is putting magaizines & newspapers out of business, put a whole lot of folks OUT of the recording industry, and created faux talent – ala the Black Eyed Peas (can’t sing worth much) and Brittany Spears.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
9:13 pm

jm,

willard is getting ripped by his own wife so I know you are upset.

We are drilling more than ever and that is a fact.

You are never right so you are consistent.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:15 pm

The availablity of oil is NOT the problem – the problem is the manipulation of the market, primarily by Goldman Sachs. The price should be under $2.00 per gallon, once demand is factored in. The demand in China as competition might add 50 cents to the cost – guess why there is such demand in China? Bill Clinton & providing permanent MFN status to China, despite is existence as a communist nation with little civil rights, labor laws or environmental regs – gives them a tremendous comparative advantage over uber regulated US, with many enviro laws mis-applied, and having dubious benefit. Ecology recovers quickly – look at the aftermath of Mt. St Helens.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:17 pm

Why should the female gender not pay a copay for prescriptions they take to control ovulation? Are women really to stupid or cheap to contrive a way to provide that for themself? Have they replaced the gov’t for a providing husband? Essentially, all those who DO NOT USE contraception are paying for the provision – is that fair?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:17 pm

“distorted Rock is now aimed at 12 year old girls”

Someone has forgotten that the Beatles were the pop band of their age and mobbed by throngs of girls

Doggone/Ga

February 26th, 2012
9:18 pm

“For those contemplating the crediblity of jm’s statements”

Trust me on this…we DON’T bother to contemplate his “credibility”

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:21 pm

“he price should be under $2.00 per gallon, once demand is factored in. The demand in China as competition might add 50 cents to the cost ”

Paddy O looks ridiculous

He’s just floundering and making up garbage about the fundamental price of oil

Even though he’s never heard of “price discovery”

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
9:22 pm

getalife, get informed…the bulk of drilling permits underway on federal land was issued on GWB’s watch. The private land drilling that has picked up considerably on Obama’s watch is mostly in North Dakota where the fed’s have no control. The fact is that Obama has not increased exploration and drilling since he took office. He’s trying to play it both ways to appease his base, while attempting to BS Independents and moderates into believing he’s increased exploration and drilling.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:23 pm

Speaking of taxes – why should anyone over the age of 18 NOT pay income tax? Also, should not the first order of business be to terminate earned income credit? Fair income tax:

- all adults (over 18) must pay 2.5% of their gross income (from all sources – wages, capital gains, child support/alimony, dividends, etc ) as income tax. Only inheritance would be exempt.

however, they will receive the following deductions:

adult standard deduction: $25,000 per adult
child standard deduction: $8,000 per child

standard exemption: 10% of income

This would provide adequate deductions for wealthy & poor.

all citizens would then pay 17% of their income to the federal gov’t. If 18, and make only $8000, would pay $200 in income tax.

all are treated fairly, all bear the burden of funding the gov’t.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:24 pm

jm – prior to bush adopting TARP, and AIG appearing to NOT be able to meet its obligations to Goldman Sachs (thus making Goldman lack liquidity) – the price of gas did what? (As Goldman Sachs was forced to leave the futures market for oil) Do you remember the price of gas in GA during this time frame?

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:26 pm

The screaming idiot girls is what forced the Beatles to stop touring. However, those girls were much closer to the age of 18.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:29 pm

What do you think happened to all those traders who participated in Enrons market manipulation of electricity on the national grid? Were they all banned permanently from trading futures? Or, just move over to another field? Also, another key is the merging of the Seven Sisters, to create mega oil companies, and thus further reduce the limited competition which occurs in the highly vertically integrated oil to gas delivery industry. Loss of competition leads to higher prices generally. Also, Exxon is well established as a driller & a retailer. Do they NOT own a single refinery?

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:31 pm

Paddy O

Why don’t you first start by explaining your ridiculous forgetfulness about the Beatles.

Then we can tackle more complex things like why oil prices collapsed during a liquidity crunch and recession that would naturally reduce consumption of a product with an in elastic supply curve

getalife

February 26th, 2012
9:32 pm

Yeah del,

No drilling in the Grand Canyon on Federal land but big oil is making record profits from their “donations”.

Fact.

You can’t beat him so stop trying.

Stressing yourself out and losing is no way to live.

Unhealthy.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:39 pm

Paddy O can’t take the heat

Poof

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
9:39 pm

“You can’t beat him so stop trying.”

Don’t have to try he’s beating himself by not producing.

“Stressing yourself out and losing is no way to live.”

No stress and no loss here. Sadly it doesn’t appear you can say the same.

Unhealthy…yes it is, so take better care of yourself by finding other interests beyond the blog.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:40 pm

Getalife loses again

Recon wins. Good job recon

Brosephus™

February 26th, 2012
9:41 pm

bman

I spent 2.5 years with TSA before going over to CBP. In the 7 years I’ve been with the feds, I’ve done quite a bit to keep us safe. I can’t tell everything, but I have seen quite a bit of everything in this country. But, yeah, I work daily to keep us and the friendly skies safe.

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jm

Short term would not solve any problems. That’s why I say the president can’t do anything. Even if your boy Romney was the one in charge, he’d have the same impotence when it comes to gas prices. If the government is not going to nationalize the industry, we’re riding the market just like the rest of the world.

————————–

When gasoline prices were skyrocketing toward four bucks a gallon on Bush’s watch he announced accelerated exploration and issued numerous drilling permits on federal land as well as off shore that caused a significant drop in fuel prices. When Obama took office the price per gallon of gasoline’s national average was $1.83 per gallon.

If Obama nationalized the industry and oil companies could no longer export their “surplus”, oil would probably drop down to $1.25 or maybe even lower. Has anybody looked at the sheer volume of gas that was exported last year? Imagine what that supply would do to prices here at home?

The thing is, gas is volatile, and it can not be stored for long periods of time. When our demand dropped like a rock, the companies couldn’t sit on that surplus until demand picked up again because they could not store it. Once they realized the profit potential from exports, it’s been game on ever since. Go back and look at how quickly gas and fuel exports have skyrocketed for the US. It’s not because of some invisible hand, I can tell you that much.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
9:43 pm

It is like shooting fish in a barrel del so no stress here.

All I have to post is the truth.

Easy victory is mine.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
9:47 pm

“Once they realized the profit potential from exports, it’s been game on ever since. Go back and look at how quickly gas and fuel exports have skyrocketed for the US. It’s not because of some invisible hand, I can tell you that much.”

Still doesn’t explain nor defend Obama’s inaction and false claim that there’s been more domestic drilling on his watch. Sounded good though.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
9:50 pm

“Easy victory is mine.”

Get, as they say life is built on dreams, so enjoy your dreams. Enjoy your evening.

getalife

February 26th, 2012
9:50 pm

del,

Your ideology blinds you from the facts.

He is positioned well on all policies except for unemployment and that is dropping.

Admit defeat.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:51 pm

Bro

Yes, the market dictates prices. But supply constraints exacerbate the problem.

I’m in favor of an “all of the above” approach. With heavy concentration on nuclear and natural gas for now, but not being muddle headed on oil.

Recon 0311 2533

February 26th, 2012
9:52 pm

Okay folks it’s time to saddle up. Enjoy…Taps.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:53 pm

jm – You deftly fail to answer questions which essentially terminate your positions. What happened to the price of gas when the market manipulating Goldman Sachs left the market? You also seem to be blind to the difference between older teen girls and market focus of today’s Bieber pop music. Your premise regarding the Beatles indicates you know more jargon than theory.

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
9:56 pm

If the market was genuinely operating freely, the price would be lower. Also, why do the previous 7 sisters need a market? They are vertically integrated, so market is not necessary, as opposed to food operations.

Jm

February 26th, 2012
9:57 pm

Toodles

Paddy O u r loco

Paddy O

February 26th, 2012
10:21 pm

jm- I think that is one opinion we share of each other – have a great day!

Tundra Dude

February 26th, 2012
10:25 pm

Brosephus wrote, in part:

That’s why I say the president can’t do anything.

I guess you mean he *won’t* do anything

Speculators Drive Pain at the Gas Pump
Earl Ofari Hutchinson HuffingtonPost.com

(snipped)
In June 2008, then Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama slammed oil speculation and pledged to close the loophole that allow oil futures to be traded in unregulated markets. About one-third of all U.S. oil futures trading are unregulated.
Obama also called for legislation to give the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, the Federal Trade Commission and the Department of Justice full power to investigate price manipulation in the oil market, and to boost the regulatory power of the CFTC over oil futures trading. That hasn’t happened.

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http://blog.yardeni.com/2012/02/gasoline.html

(snipped)
The latest Commitments of Traders report compiled by the CFTC shows that large speculators and small traders were net long a record 101,926 contracts on February 14. Each contract is for 42,000 US gallons, or 1,000 barrels, of gasoline. During the week of February 10, gasoline inventories in the US stood at 232 million barrels.

**In other words, speculators and traders, in effect, held a record 43.8% of US inventories.**

They must be betting that the confrontation with Iran will worsen, pushing gasoline prices still higher. They certainly can’t be betting on strong US demand for gasoline. Over the past 52 weeks, gasoline usage fell to 8.88 million barrels per day, the lowest since November 28, 2003. Americans are driving less and driving in more fuel efficient vehicles.

Fred ™

February 26th, 2012
11:22 pm

Soothsayer

February 26th, 2012
6:18 pm

Yesterday (the 26th) was his 85th birthday.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Thanks Sooth. That was very uplifting. I really appreciate it. I saved it to favorites. I wanted to send back ‘The Old Ship Of Zion” to you, but I couldn’t find a youtube verson I thought was worth a crap. No one I have ever heard can do the Tenor like that heathen baptist ass, Glen Weaver. This dude is(was) awesome.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 26th, 2012
11:33 pm

Recon

More drilling increases the supply. If the supply is higher than the demand, that increases the amount a available for export. Our exports have been on the rise since the recession caused demand here to drop. That doesn’t necessarily show an increase in domestic drilling, but that does mean we have had a surplus in oil.

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Tundra Dude

In my opinion, Obama was wrong then and you’re wrong now if you think legislation here in the US will have any effect on oil speculation. Years ago, that would be possible. Now, oil is traded worldwide in countless markets. Any legislation here would only make traders seek other markets. These things are global now. We’re not just playing the game alone anymore.

Paddy O

February 27th, 2012
12:04 am

You could simply legislate that 100% of oil drilled on federal land (off shore, Alaska) be mandated to stay in the US domestic market – that way increasing drilling should increase domestic supply and lower the price. My understanding of the spec market, much is done on margin. You increase the amount of necessary margin, it decreases the players and lowers the volatility.

Paddy O

February 27th, 2012
12:05 am

But, the question remains: Why does a vertically integrated industry need futures trading? To allow Wall Street access to the revenue?

Paddy O

February 27th, 2012
12:06 am

If so, then Wall Street is as parasitic as the unions.

stands for decibels

February 27th, 2012
5:49 am

The screaming idiot girls is what forced the Beatles to stop touring.

They weren’t forced to, they just didn’t *have* to, so they stopped.

(As did the Stones and Dylan the same year, actually).

stands for decibels

February 27th, 2012
5:51 am

They must be betting that the confrontation with Iran will worsen, pushing gasoline prices still higher.

And they’ve got their shills beating the drums of war on my TeeVee and Intertubes every frickin’ day.

And I say to myself, what a wonderful world!

Normal

February 27th, 2012
6:20 am

Good morning Stands,

Yes, a wonderful world indeed. :)

Normal

February 27th, 2012
6:24 am

Normal

February 27th, 2012
6:26 am

Normal

February 27th, 2012
6:31 am

Mick

February 27th, 2012
7:24 am

Good morning all! Today is my birthday, reminds me of a line in a neil young song, “24 and there’s so much more”, now it’s 54 and there ain’t much more….nah, I kid, am in the best shape of my life, feel great and always remember that age is just a measurement of time…that’s my excuse anyways…

Mick

February 27th, 2012
7:44 am

Damn….it’s my b-day and everybody else takes off!!

Jay,

I’d like to see a column on santorums comments about the separation of church and state. I think he failed to learn the lessons of the dark ages, what a putz…

Mick

February 27th, 2012
7:46 am

Thankfully, the founding fathers were renaissance men, they got it, and here we are hundreds of years later trying to go backwards, sad…

Jay

February 27th, 2012
7:52 am