On gay question, Georgia legislators side with Sharia
A bill proposed in the Georgia House of Representatives would make it illegal for public employers, such as schools, universities and state government itself, to discriminate against Georgians on the basis of their sexual orientation or identity.
At this point in history, you might think that protecting school teachers and others from being fired solely because of their sexual orientation would be pretty uncontroversial. In fact, the legislator who sponsored the bill, state Rep. Karla Drenner of Avondale Estates, is herself gay. In a subcommittee hearing this week, every witness but one testified in favor of House Bill 630.
The sole exception was Tanya Ditty, a teacher and state director of the conservative and anti-gay Concerned Women of America, which claims 12,000 members in Georgia. Among other things, the group also campaigns against the imposition of Sharia law, which it describes as “a threat to America as we know it.”
Here is an excerpt from Ditty’s testimony.
For those unable to view the video, Ditty warns that the legislation would force public schools to hire and employ people who engage in beastiality, necrophilia and other -ialities and -philias too horrible to mention. She also expresses concern about restroom policy, recounting a searing incident five years ago in which she believes she shared a restroom with a man dressed as a woman, but didn’t discover it until afterward.
The good news is, she survived.
“What’s going to protect our children if a pedophiliac comes in and gets a teaching job, is a bus driver, is a custodian?” Ditty asked legislators. “And they can be people who just want to prey on children, and they will be protected with this law.”
For the record, child sexual abuse is a vicious crime. It is a felony in this state. Anyone with a record of pedophilia is not only barred by Georgia law from teaching in a school or serving as a bus driver; such a person is banned from living or working in any job within 1,000 feet of a school or even a school bus stop. Nothing about HB 630 would have changed that. The legislation does not protect criminals or sexual predators.
Nonetheless, the House subcommittee voted 3-2, with the Republican majority carrying the day, to kill the bill and to continue to deny gay and lesbian Georgians the right to be employed by the same government to which they pay taxes and by which they are governed.
However, I wonder if they realize that by doing so, they themselves have ensured that Georgia law remains in compliance with Sharia law, which like Ditty and others condemns gays for “transgressing the limits.”
NOTE: Please keep personal comments about Ditty and others within the bounds of civil discussion.
– Jay Bookman
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Adam
February 24th, 2012
10:46 am
Eat the Rich: Not one of you has defended Obama’s high gas price policy.
Why should I defend a policy that doesn’t exist?
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
10:46 am
“I watched Fox news last night and the panel stated that Obama should come out with a statement to influence oil companies to sell the oil in America or face export fees increases. ”
SOCIALISM!!!!!!!!!!!
jewcowboy
February 24th, 2012
10:46 am
Thulsa Doom / Fred,
Yep…parents get a better value for their tax dollars regardless of their child’s orientation. Unless, of course, you happen to live in TN, where school officials cannot mention that gays exist, even school counselors. Or if you happen to live in the Anoka Hennepin School District, where in a two year period 9 students committed suicide because of anti-gay harassment and the school district’s policies of not allowing teachers to intercede.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
10:46 am
Eat the Rich – “Not one of you has defended Obama’s high gas price policy.”
Well, if there was such a policy we would more than likely not support it. However, we are all in favor of free trade and understand how the markets affect the price of oil.
Morrus
February 24th, 2012
10:47 am
I don’t want our children to be subjected to pedophiliacs either and that is why I am glad there are laws in place to deny “predators” a position in teaching. Is one law not enough for these frightened people, aka, Republicans?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 24th, 2012
10:47 am
Doggone… absolutely correct. The US produces about 9% of world supply. It consumes more than 30%. We have reduced consumption and increasse supply in the past year and yet the price has increased. Anyone who suggests that the price is based solely on current supply and demand without accounting for factors like speculation is a ninny. The biggest factor regarding speculation is Iran. And Republicans are stoking the fires of war against Iran….. (intentionally?) There is little realistically that the US can do on the supply side to bring down prices. Consumption reductions would be more cost effective.
Don't Forget
February 24th, 2012
10:47 am
Wonder if Dana Carvey has any appearance’s on SNL scheduled in the near future. The time is ripe for a “church lady” comeback.
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
10:47 am
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
10:36 am
“I watched Fox news last night and the panel….”
williebekind – you didn’t mention Krauthammer’s explanation of how Obama is pending our energy hopes on such things as algae! Simply tap into an igrnoed swimming pool, and away you go.
USinUK
February 24th, 2012
10:47 am
“So sad when you can’t defend your position well enough that you have to start arguing about something else you can’t defend.”
AmVet
February 24th, 2012
10:48 am
willie, not that it matters much, but do you come from a long line of xenophic homophobes?
McCain sized you guys up perfectly – agents of intolerance…
Eat the Rich
February 24th, 2012
10:48 am
High gas prices lead people to use less of it. This is better for the environment, encourages conservation, makes people drive more efficient cars, makes people live closer to work.
High gas prices ARE A GOOD THING. Silly. Get on board peeps! Higher gas prices are good!!
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
10:48 am
Doom
I’m guessing you missed my earlier American Psychological Association post with link. Per her 23 orientations argument, it is pure bunk. It’s a complete strawman that many, and it seems like you, fell for.
According to the American Psychological Association, the people who are actual psychologists,
Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person’s sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions. Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to members of one’s own sex), and bisexual (having emotional, romantic, or sexual attractions to both men and women).
http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx
Now, would you believe trained psychologists who discuss orientation as being three categories, or a teacher who’s claiming 23? Sexual orientation is not the same thing as sexual preferences. The things that Mrs. Ditty described are sexual preferences, and not orientations. That’s where her entire arugment falls apart.
If you want to know about the APA, there’s this:
Based in Washington, D.C., the American Psychological Association (APA) is a scientific and professional organization that represents psychology in the United States. With more than 154,000 members, APA is the largest association of psychologists worldwide.
http://www.apa.org/about/index.aspx
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
10:48 am
Keep – “Anyone who suggests that the price is based solely on current supply and demand without accounting for factors like speculation is a ninny.”
Or, running for President on the GOP ticket.
jewcowboy
February 24th, 2012
10:49 am
williebkind,
“I watched Fox news last night and the panel stated that Obama should come out with a statement to influence oil companies to sell the oil in America or face export fees increases.”
So…then those people are against capitalism? Damned communists controlling production.
Jerome Horwitz
February 24th, 2012
10:49 am
The gas arguement is hilarious! Fox news calling for Obama to add an export fee? Wouldn’t that be socialism? And these are the free market adherents?
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
10:50 am
williebekind – I think you’re confused, it isn’t that gays are gay because they’re liberal, its that they’re liberal because they’re made to feel unwelcome by others for being gay.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 24th, 2012
10:50 am
Butch…. you don’t think that in the Venn Diagram world that the ninny circle completely encompasses the potential presidential nominees on the GOP ticket?
Fred ™
February 24th, 2012
10:50 am
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
10:45 am
Fred ™
February 24th, 2012
10:41 am
Fred I did not say Obama is muslim, nor that he had muslim names. I just responded to Article 6 Number 3 of the constitution. See how you progressive liberal interpret language. No wonder so many of you are gay.
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WOO HOO LOOK BROCEPHUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I almost got a trifecta. Well I DID if you consider progressive to be separate from liberal. Either way I got to be a liberal AND a gay man.
Should I put the make on Josef later on?
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
10:39 amThey have substantially higher gas prices in the U.K. than we do here. Also, they noted the American love affair with giant SUV’s. Stop waiting for the government to save you wille, you seriously need to get over your socialistic entitlement mindset.”
They do not have oil wells nor huge oil resevoirs but they want us to sell our oil on a global economy so they can have access to our oil. And my forefathers said the UK was not a very nice place to be nor one to tell you how to live.
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Adam
February 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Eat the Rich: Higher gas prices that jump at a ridiculous pace hurts a LOT of people. I used to live and work in a city area where I did not have to worry about gas or gas prices at all. That is no longer the case thanks to corporate overlords deciding my fate for me. Luckily, my life is better off since Obama took office.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
10:51 am
jewcowboy – “So…then those people are against capitalism? Damned communists controlling production.”
Agreed, is anyone else here sick and tired of the government picking winners and losers? When is Hannity going to come out with his op-ed piece demanding that the government stay out of the oil business and let the the free market dictate the outcome?
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Bro – We’ve been over this. NO FACTS ALLOWED!
Eat the Rich
February 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Butch. The markets do affect the price of oil. But the Obama policies have been helping push the prices higher too.
We should applaud the President for pete’s sake. People! Oh the exasperation…..
ragnar danneskjold
February 24th, 2012
10:52 am
Dear Butch and Fred, good morning, you guys are too young or too dim to know what you talk about here.
One of the greatest steps forward in the era of Jim Crow occurred in Tennessee, around 1967. Black high schools – there were many then, mostly not as well maintained as white schools, but well disciplined – played their games in leagues separate from white schools. With the changing attitudes toward race, the officials of TSSAA determined to put them together. Short version, in the first year, the basketball team from all-black Pearl High School in Nashville defeated a great all-white team from Memphis for the state championship. And far from being a source of racial antagonism, that one event did as much to soften racial attitudes among whites in Tennessee, especially in Middle Tennessee.
You underestimate the value of triumph over perceived adversity as a source of group pride. You also seem to fail to understand the economic effect of discrimination on any other than pure economic basis. The hirer who forswears talent for reasons unrelated to a job limits his own hiring pool, thus raising his costs – much like Obama’s efforts in oil over the past three years in forbidding Gulf and Alaskan drilling and punting on the Keystone pipeline. Other, somewhat more intelligent hirers then have a larger and comparatively less expensive pool of talent for position selection, and thus have a built-in economic advantage over the “discriminators.” A self-correcting problem.
Jerome Horwitz
February 24th, 2012
10:52 am
And on topic -equating being gay with pedophilia is outrageous. Have you ever seen a gay person charged with a crime against a child? Doubtful, but, what about the scoutmaster or church youth group leader? Far more likely. This women is a JACKASS! And her incident in the bathroom is a non-issue.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
10:52 am
I got a job in the oil industry Obama is not over-regulating, being paid wages he’s not redistributing, and free to go to a gun range and buy guns he’s not taking away from me. I’d say I’m better off than I was four years ago.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 24th, 2012
10:54 am
Keep Up, you really HATE Doom don’t you?
JohnnyReb
February 24th, 2012
10:54 am
I try to watch the Fox panel every evening. In case you don’t know, they always have a Leftie in the mix. While one person on the panel may have made the remark williebkind referrences, I do not recall the entire three man panel agreeing. Instead, Charles K. was more intent on vocalizing how ridiculous Obama’s energy policies are spending quite some time on the algae.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
10:54 am
Eat the Rich: But the Obama policies have been helping push the prices higher too.
Name one.
JOE COOL
February 24th, 2012
10:54 am
Jerome Horwitz
February 24th, 2012
10:49 am
Its only socialism if they dont agree. Got it?
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
10:55 am
Wow if you have a job in the oil industry it must be a desk job! Liberals have to much education to have skills.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
10:55 am
williebkind – “And my forefathers said the UK was not a very nice place to be nor one to tell you how to live.”
Wow, my forefathers told me to keep an open mind and to explore all avenues of discussion utilizing many different sources before drawing a conclusion. Apparently yours just sat you down in front of a television tuned to Fox News with a bible in one hand and a Hannity doll in the other.
jewcowboy
February 24th, 2012
10:55 am
(ir)Rational,
“its that they’re liberal because they’re made to feel unwelcome by others for being gay.”
Actually, to support gays and gay marriage is about as conservative of a position as one can have. Unfortunately, the Republican Party is no longer a party of true conservatives.
“I once stood before a Conservative conference and said it shouldn’t matter whether commitment was between a man and a woman, a woman and a woman, or a man and another man. You applauded me for that. Five years on, we’re consulting on legalising gay marriage. And to anyone who has reservations, I say: Yes, it’s about equality, but it’s also about something else: commitment. Conservatives believe in the ties that bind us; that society is stronger when we make vows to each other and support each other. So I don’t support gay marriage despite being a Conservative. I support gay marriage because I’m a Conservative.” ~ UK Prime Minister David Cameron
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
10:55 am
“An increase in supply won’t reduce prices because OPEC would reduce production to keep prices high”
OPEC members regularly cheat- and this is also where the leadership of an American president comes into play in pressuring the Saudis. Unfortunately this is not a strong American president diplomatically-the apology tour is evidence of that. And there are other non OPEC members who also produce significant amounts of petrol- Russia for example.
godless heathen©
February 24th, 2012
10:56 am
Normal: “I’ve often wondered if owning a gas guzzler is like owning a gun…makes you feel bigger somehow…”
That’s why I have both. I need all the help I can get.
Joe, Sorry about the mis-ID. I just don’t understand the skewed supply and demand relationship being espoused. The claim is continually made that increasing the domestic supply will have no affect on price, but reducing demand will. And if increasing supply has no affect on the price, why did Obama release 30 million barrels from the Strategic Oil Reserve in June 2011 to hold prices down?
Adam
February 24th, 2012
10:56 am
williebkind: Wow if you have a job in the oil industry it must be a desk job! Liberals have to much education to have skills.
I see, so skill don’t count unless they make your hands raw, is that it?
If so, what the hell are YOU doing here?
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
10:56 am
(ir)Rational
Doom asked for someone to disprove her statement, so I must inject fact into this debate until people are satisfied.
What is the difference between sexual orientation and sexual preference?
http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000009
Keep Up--Te gusta losing woofinpoofs?
February 24th, 2012
10:56 am
your party… nope.
jconservative
February 24th, 2012
10:56 am
Is this Sharia Law?
“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Fred @ 10:50
I say go for it. The only thing missing was that you didn’t get called a Brother!!
RF
February 24th, 2012
10:58 am
USinUK and (Ir): you know lawyers all over the country have been popping wood for weeks with all the ridiculous legislation out there at the state level. At the rate we’re going, the new number one career is going to be apellate judge. They’ll be harder to find than honest lawyers!
IMO, I think one point of so much of the current state level agenda is easy to see. They want to thumb their noses at the non-white guy in the WH, so they’re going to drag the feds into long, drawn out legal battles that will take at least a couple of years to reach the Supreme Court, which will be overwhelmed and backlogged. This is about nothing more than keeping as much as possible that might actually help the economy recover from happening by distracting as many people as possible and slowing down everything they can with legislation meant to cause lawsuits.
Eat the Rich
February 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Adam I think it is pathetic you are in favor of low gas prices. You don’t support our president.
However, at least you are doing a good job fighting against your employer who would prefer high prices I suppose.
But you’re a very bad person for working for an oil company. Do you sell cigarettes and dump nuclear waste on the weekends?
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
10:58 am
“And on topic -equating being gay with pedophilia is outrageous. Have you ever seen a gay person charged with a crime against a child?”
In the Carolinas a few years back a couple of gays held a boy child hostage and had their way with him. Because of the liberal push to make homosexuals normal and promote this behavior these outlaws were not punished. Is this why gays do not get charged with molestering children?
Subversive Librarian
February 24th, 2012
10:58 am
Ummm, for all of you who think gays are protected under federal and state law: It is perfectly legal under federal law, as well as in most states, to fire (or not hire) someone because they are gay or transgender. That will be true until a statute is enacted or a court in that jurisdiction rules discrimination to be unconstitutional (say, through the 14th amendment or a state constitutional provision).
To enact this law would not have granted special rights as Ditty alleged. Under the law, I could not be fired for being gay, and neither could you. For that matter, marriage rights for gays wouldn’t create special rights either. You, as well as I, would be free to marry someone of the same sex if you wanted to. Oh, you don’t want to? Then thank you, because you have just made our point for us.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:00 am
jewcowboy – I agree. Much like some other issues, my stance on gay marriage and gay rights comes from my conservative values. I just interpret them literally.
Aquagirl
February 24th, 2012
11:00 am
They do not have oil wells nor huge oil resevoirs but they want us to sell our oil on a global economy so they can have access to our oil.
Wait until that communist-marxist thinking spreads to our great nation. Next thing you know, we’ll be demanding the Canadians sell us their oil! Oh, wait….
HDB
February 24th, 2012
11:01 am
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
10:51 am
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
“They do not have oil wells nor huge oil resevoirs but they want us to sell our oil on a global economy so they can have access to our oil.”
Actually, the British DO have oil wells…particlularly in the North Sea. Their production is not on the scale of the US…but it does exist……..
http://www.peakoil.net/Publications/06_Analysis_of_UK_oil_production.pdf
Eat the Rich
February 24th, 2012
11:01 am
Adam, name one? Reducing the number of drilling permits. Here’s a second one for you, stopping that pipeline that was just going to sell dirty Canadian oil to the Chinese.
Great job by the President.
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
11:01 am
“For that matter, marriage rights for gays wouldn’t create special rights either. You, as well as I, would be free to marry someone of the same sex if you wanted to”
Marriage is between one man and one woman! You can call it something else.
Fred ™
February 24th, 2012
11:01 am
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
10:55 am
Wow if you have a job in the oil industry it must be a desk job! Liberals have to much education to have skills.
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Well you certainly are a poster child for Republicans having a decided lack of education lol.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 24th, 2012
11:01 am
G. Heathen — “And if increasing supply has no affect on the price, why did Obama release 30 million barrels from the Strategic Oil Reserve in June 2011 to hold prices down?”
I’m pretty sure that oil from the SPR *is* only used domestically and isn’t sold on the world market. But I’m not an expert on that and someone else may know the actual details.
FWIW, I’ve never supported the release of stocks from the SPR for anything short of a national emergency. I don’t think Obama should have done it, and I think Bush was right to have refused when Kerry pressured him to.
philosopher
February 24th, 2012
11:02 am
If high gas prices are the best you have to offer up as complaint against Obama, that is very sad. In this gluttonous, non-conserving society, we still pay ridiculously low prices for gas compared to the rest of the world. And it doesn’t matter who the heck is president, we are going to continue to pay higher and higher prices as time goes on.
And…if gas prices are the biggest problem in your life, please, please, realize how incredibly fortunate you are!
Adam
February 24th, 2012
11:02 am
Adam I think it is pathetic you are in favor of low gas prices. You don’t support our president
I’m in favor of low gas prices AND alternative energy. These are both positions Obama supports. You have yet to prove he supports high gas prices, but you’re always free to try again. The one piece of video evidence you have provided actually proves that he wanted to reduce the pain people feel at the pump, knowing that the only way to do that would be through more direct action to get more money into their pockets somehow as an adjustment. He knew then, and knows now (because he’s not stupid) that he has no direct control over oil and gas pricing.
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
11:02 am
HDB – “Actually, the British DO have oil wells…particlularly in the North Sea. Their production is not on the scale of the US…but it does exist……..”
Shhhh………don’t tell him that, it might affect his limited world view.
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
11:02 am
Aquagirl
February 24th, 2012
11:00 am
Too funny!
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:03 am
Adam
February 24th, 2012
10:54 am
Eat the Rich: But the Obama policies have been helping push the prices higher too.
Name one.
Adam,
Slowing down the graning of new oil drilling permits to a snail’s pace. Done.
jewcowboy
February 24th, 2012
11:03 am
williebkind,
“a couple of gays held a boy child hostage and had their way with him.”
I know this going to come as complete shock to you, and you probably won’t believe it, but paedophilia has nothing to with sexual orientation.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:03 am
Man, working on those North Sea rigs is downright dangerous work too. That is, if they actually existed.
godless heathen©
February 24th, 2012
11:04 am
“What is the difference between sexual orientation and sexual preference?”
It’s like North and South instead of top or bottom.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:04 am
Bro – I was just pointing out that Thulsa doesn’t look at the facts, especially those contrary to what he believes to be true, so therefore this is a “fact free zone” when trying to argue with Thulsa. Maybe you should be like the “typical liberal” you are and argue based solely off emotions. It is what liberals do after all.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:05 am
Oil Sheets upstairs. Y’all take that stuff up there. That way we can continue to tear down Mrs. Ditty’s testimony here.
Adam
February 24th, 2012
11:05 am
Reducing the number of drilling permits.
That never happened. Check your facts. A brief moratorium does not equal less permits, in fact more permits have been issued to make up for it and then some.
Here’s a second one for you, stopping that pipeline that was just going to sell dirty Canadian oil to the Chinese.
That would be a HOUSE REPUBLICAN policy, since they decided to force the President to make a decision on a plan that wasn’t a full plan yet. Proving, once again, that the Republicans are bad at project management, and thus bad at running a business. Had they left well enough alone, it might be approved in a few months after they figured out what alternate route to have.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:06 am
williebkind – “Marriage is between one man and one woman! You can call it something else.” And you come to that conclusion how?
Adam
February 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Doom: Slowing down the graning of new oil drilling permits to a snail’s pace. Done.
Not intended to be factual if you’re keeping current. I suppose if you decide time stopped during the six month moratorium and nothing has happened since then you can twist your argument into being true….
Fred ™
February 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Brosephus™ – Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:03 am
Man, working on those North Sea rigs is downright dangerous work too. That is, if they actually existed.
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You lost me there. Did Scotty beam them up or something?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_oil
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
11:07 am
Butch Cassidy
February 24th, 2012
11:02 am
Yes they have a few oil wells and that why their prices are high. Our prices are high because of influences not of supply and demand. Oh and how broad should my world view be? I am very proud to see from shinging sea to shining sea. After that you can have it.
TaxPayer
February 24th, 2012
11:07 am
Perhaps we just have 12,000 or so concerned women who are expressing their anxiety over ever increasing prospects of losing their husbands to someone else after extended spells of just saying no. I mean, we already have documented evidence of some going to lesbian bondage themed clubs and others tapping out love songs in all the wrong places and such. The writing’s on the wall. Call 1-800-YOURREP for a good time.
Aquagirl
February 24th, 2012
11:10 am
That way we can continue to tear down Mrs. Ditty’s testimony here.
I think even our hardcore cons abandoned Ms. Ditty to cower in her bathroom stall.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:10 am
(ir)Rational
If I were the typical liberal, I’d probably go that route. Since I follow the ideology of Brosephus, I can only be me.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Aquagirl – As I pointed out a while ago (maybe two pages?), they abandoned one topic they couldn’t defend to argue another topic they couldn’t defend.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Fred
Guess you missed my sarcasm mark.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:11 am
Brocephus,
I gotta get going here shortly and get some work done but let me address this issue one last time just so you know where I stand on this morning’s topic
1- Hopefully you are not laboring under the misapprehension that I oppose a bill that would protect gays from being fired. Frankly I can’t imagine a fine teacher like josef being fired by a new principal who didn’t like him for the mere fact of him being gay. I would like to see some sort of protections for gays with some built in common sense provisions such as exempting religious institutions or religious based businesses who would object on religious grounds.
2- I think they should just change the language of this bill to make it more narrow to assure passage regardless of whether this woman’s concerns are real or imagined. Also, people like Jay would be better suited focusing their time and attention on the subcommittee members as opposed to this one person.
3- While I myself disagree with this woman I find it disgusting to see Jay and others taking cheapshots at her simply because she has a different point of view- no matter how erroneous. Likely her opinions are religious based which I think should be respected and are not views based on hate as some simpletons on here surely would automatically assume.
Bottom line I disagree with the woman but I see no need for Jay and others to ridicule and hate her because she has differing views based on what she believes to be right and wrong according to her religion most likely.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:14 am
Bro – Yeah, but because of your social positions, and your ability to refute everything Thulsa says, you will be labeled a “typical liberal” by him. I probably have been also. I guess if I’m in the company of people like you, I could be doing a lot worse though.
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
11:15 am
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Thousands of years of evolution!
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:17 am
Thulsa – She opened herself up for it by going out in front of people and saying what she said. She had the right to say what she said, and we have the right to make sure she suffers the consequences of what she said. Which, in this case, are public mocking and ridicule. And it is interesting that you never expressed anything at all close to that opinion before you realized you had lost.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:17 am
Aquagirl,
Nope. Many of us don’t even support her views to begin with. We just don’t agree with Jay trying to reject her argument through hate and vitriol. And also that the focus should be on the pols who rejected the bill- not this one person’s 3 minute testimony that likely had little or no influence on the bill. The venom and vindictive concentrated on this woman because she has a different viewpoint is intolerance at its worst.
Dirty Dawg
February 24th, 2012
11:17 am
In case you hadn’t noticed, Georgia has long since lost our reputation as an ‘enlightened’, progressive (lower-case ‘p’), Gateway To the New South. We lost it for good when we started electing goober peckerwoods like Perdue and Deal. So the ‘lady’ is just a little icing on the cake…and to think, she’s a ‘teacher’. By the way, if that other person in the restroom with her was, indeed, a man, he wouldn’t have been interested in her, not to mention that after getting one look at her would have run out screaming.
Aquagirl
February 24th, 2012
11:18 am
working on those North Sea rigs is downright dangerous work too. That is, if they actually existed
I saw one on the Norwegian boat ride at Epcot and MICKEY WOULD NEVER LIE DAMMIT.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:20 am
ir(Irational),
I didn’t lose anything sir. And certainly not a debate with you and your nonsensical bumper sticker slogans. Your points were downright silly. You need to learn the difference between a rational argument and hyperbole based on sloganeering.
As for the woman above you can disagree without being disagreeable. Its called tolerance.
Corey
February 24th, 2012
11:20 am
Enough with the “gay rights” already; it’s full citizenship rights. When you label it as “gay rights” somehow it gets translated as special rights for gays. Just as “civil rights” is often translated as special rights for blacks. Until we as a nation dispense with deciding who and who should not be afforded all rights and privileges guranteed by the U.S. Costitution for all its citizens we will continue to look foolish and hypocritical as a nation.
GT
February 24th, 2012
11:20 am
Fact free zone. That came from a conservative? That is rich. I wonder how many gays are in the closet. They are like dyed hair. Some you can tell others not so sure. There are people married to them that don’t have a clue. But these right wingers know one when they see one. Some of them can’t spell gay but have the nose for finding gays among us.
I always love that scene in the movie Groundhog Day where the insurance salesman is molested by the main character. Could happen to any of us so be very carefull. They are among us. And that is fact.
Josey Whales
February 24th, 2012
11:21 am
@Thulsa Doom – Outside of smoking a blunt, that sounds like a pretty good night. If that’s not your type of thing, you can stay home and tell your kids Jesus looks like Tebow……….Sike, that’s MichaelAngelo’s brother……LoL
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:22 am
Doom
I didn’t get that impression from your posts. I simply tried to do as you ask and show that the 23 orientation argument is a complete fallacy. I didn’t try to demean her in any shape or form. I simply tried to post facts, from knowledgable sources, to show that she’s completely wrong. I hope you took the time to read through the links I posted so you’d see where I was coming from.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 24th, 2012
11:23 am
http://drudgegae.iavian.net/r?hop=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weeklystandard.com%2Fblogs%2Fcalifornia-asks-judges-gay-or-straight_631857.html
I’m not sure about this. An employer is not allowed to ask the sexual orientation of an applicant, how can they ask these judges.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:23 am
williebkind – Surprised to hear you say that since it seems like you would be arguing it from a religious standpoint. But hey, think what you want, the times, they are a changing. It won’t be too long before people realize that they’re being foolish by making claims that gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry. Do you think it cheapens the bonds between a man and a woman if a man and a man or a woman and a woman are allowed to marry? I really don’t understand the argument. As jewcowboy pointed out, it seems that conservatives would support the idea because it fits with their supposed political ideals.
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:23 am
(ir)Rational @ 11:14
Sounds like you’re aiming for the moon by shooting at trees if you’re seeing me as good company.
j/k
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
11:24 am
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:11 am
I agree with that!
wet wiccan
February 24th, 2012
11:24 am
well thank goodness she’s not going after the good heterosexuals that are into S&M or bondage – it’s okay if our children are *influenced* by them. /sarc/
Brosephus™ - Some things simply make you think WTF??
February 24th, 2012
11:25 am
Aquagirl
Mickey may not lie, but that mofo cheats at poker. I lost my shirt on my last trip to Orlando.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:25 am
Adam,
I’m sorry but the facts are squarely on my side. We talked about this in the last 6 months to a year. Remember when several oil rigs left the gulf. And we were talking about an oil spokesman who had said that under O permit apps were taking 9 months to a year for approval whereas under W they were taking 2-3 months. And the number of permits granted had slowed very considerably in addition to the length of time. These are the facts Adam. And if you think the Obama administration is not opposed to drilling then look at anwar, the pipeline in Nebraska, the oil project in Texas that was halted, and on and on and on.
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
11:27 am
” Do you think it cheapens the bonds between a man and a woman if a man and a man or a woman and a woman are allowed to marry?”
No, but marriage is between one man and one woman. The other unions could have a different name but same benefits and priviledges if you have to have that life style.
jewcowboy
February 24th, 2012
11:28 am
williebkind,
“Thousands of years of evolution!”
I would suggest that you actually do some research into the history of marriage, but I know that will be a futile suggestion. Just keep spouting inane talking points and society will gladly pass you by.
Btw…yesterday Maryland approved marriage equality. The 8th state to do so. You’re losing…get over it.
(ir)Rational
February 24th, 2012
11:29 am
Corey – Good point.
Thulsa – Think what you will about my arguments, you can’t refute them. And just as she has the right to be an ignoramous and spout her irrational views, I have the right to make fun of her for them. If she didn’t want her views debated or ridiculed, she should have kept them in the closet. I can assure you, that I know the difference between a rational argument and hyperbole.
I am curious to know, however, why you didn’t respond to my posts asking that you explain how an argument about sexual orientation and preference has nothing to do with what people choose to do in their bedrooms. Is it perhaps that you realized it can’t be successfully argued?
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:29 am
“I simply tried to do as you ask and show that the 23 orientation argument is a complete fallacy.”
And I think you probably made a convincing argument. I just think that next time they should narrow it to ensure passage.
“I didn’t try to demean her in any shape or form. I simply tried to post facts, from knowledgable sources, to show that she’s completely wrong.”
And I appreciate that. Your logic, sourcing, etc. as opposed to hateful vitriol can convince people.
“I hope you took the time to read through the links I posted so you’d see where I was coming from.”
Honestly I didn’t have time to read them but if they’re from you I deem them as being credible anyway.
jewcowboy
February 24th, 2012
11:30 am
Thulsa Doom,
“The venom and vindictive concentrated on this woman because she has a different viewpoint is intolerance at its worst.”
Perhaps it’s the lies she spews forth as fact that we despise.
williebkind
February 24th, 2012
11:30 am
Describe a wet wiccan?
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 24th, 2012
11:31 am
TaxPayer
February 24th, 2012
10:07 am
I personally do not believe that any person such as Ms. Ditty deserves civility
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When you abandon civility you forfit the right to be treated civilly.
Aquagirl
February 24th, 2012
11:32 am
The venom and vindictive concentrated on this woman because she has a different viewpoint is intolerance at its worst.
If that “different viewpoint” meant you were equated with necrophiliacs you might have a little less tolerance yourself. And she was speaking as the supposed representative of 12,000 people, not having an ick-tranny in my bathroom! moment at the bridge club.
Notice her whole meltdown was not because this person was creeping around peeking thru the stalls or doing anything; Ms. Ditty was offended by her mere existence. That’s why I don’t buy the tripe about how she just has another viewpoint. She’s like the ditz in the Miss America pageant who prefaced her opposition to gay marriage with “no offense to anyone, but….” how do you tell someone their family shouldn’t exist without being offensive? What if I said “no offense, but I don’t think Speedo-wearing BLT-making guys shouldn’t be able to post here?” and Jay banned you?
Republicans want to deny gay people the rights to do the same things everyone else does, like work and raise a family. When an opinion becomes actual steps to affect someone’s life, it’s no longer your opinion. It’s an action.
Kirk C
February 24th, 2012
11:33 am
while I appreciate the spirit of civil discussion, I find it funny that we’re reminded to keep personal comments about Ditty civil when she certainly did not about us… but rise above…. rise above.
Thulsa Doom
February 24th, 2012
11:34 am
irational,
What people do in their bedrooms is just bumper sticker nonsense to me. Does anyone honestly care what 2 gay people do in the bedroom? And I don’t believe that does carry over as you propose in your argument. That’s just an opinion of yours. If people oppose the gay agenda its very simple. Its because in their religious views they find it in conflict with their doctrine. Some of you need to get past that simpleton thinking that its all about hate for the pure sake of being hateful. I see far more of that from the people who disagree with this woman then I do from the woman herself.