Swing-state voters just don’t like Romney

UPDATE 12:45: Fresh numbers out of Rasmussen:

Obama 49%
Romney 39%

A 10-point lead is impressive, but Romney below 40% may be the telling number. And again, that’s from Rasmussen.

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In a normal presidential political cycle, fatally flawed politicians such as Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum would not be viable candidates for a major-party nomination this late in the process. So what explains their continued presence, not to mention Santorum’s current status as a fragile frontrunner in the polls?

purple

In effect, they are filling a large and growing vacuum, as the latest Purple Poll documents in startling fashion. The poll surveys voters in 12 swing, or purple, states* that are expected to decide the 2012 election, and the telling numbers are in the table to the right.

Look at the favorability numbers for the supposedly inevitable GOP nominee, Mitt Romney. Just 27 percent view him favorably, while 57 percent view him unfavorably. Again, these are the states likely to decide the outcome in November. And while Romney’s favorable numbers have dropped by 5 points since September, his unfavorable numbers have jumped by 18 points, a swing of 23 points.

Even within his own party, Romney isn’t doing well. As the Purple Poll report points out, “Among Republican voters, the results are dramatic: Santorum is much better liked (58%/24%) than is Romney (42%/41%).”

That’s pretty amazing, and it’s hard to imagine a means of reversing that trend. In fact, the data suggest that Romney may be trapped in a political death spiral. As his numbers drop, they give Santorum and Gingrich continuing reason to keep the campaign going. And the longer the GOP contest goes on, the longer Romney’s collapse continues.

The poll also shows some problems for President Obama — these are, after all, swing states. But to a candidate such as Romney, whose prime attribute is his supposed electability, its findings strike very close to home.

– Jay Bookman

*Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

581 comments Add your comment

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
11:22 am

Jay,

I think what we all have to remember is that these guys are the “best money can buy”…says something, doesn’t it?

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:23 am

Normal – “I think what we all have to remember is that these guys are the “best money can buy”…”

Agreed. Without the support of the SuperPAC, Gingrich and Santorum would have starved to death by now as nature intended.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:27 am

Without the support of the SuperPAC, Gingrich and Santorum would have starved to death by now as nature intended.

No more breakfast at Tiffany’s?!?

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
11:27 am

I really hope the President and the Democrats run on his and their record. Looked at objectively (yes, I know that to our Regressive Party breth- and sistren, that’s alot easier said than done), they have actually done a phenomenal job over the past 3 years.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2012
11:27 am

I doubt I will live long enough to see the day, but hopefully the day is coming eventually when the GOP is not run and enabled by complete Bushbot incompetents and the intellectually bankrupt.

Who knows, perhaps they will ultimately be dragged, kicking and screaming into the 1960s…

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2012
11:28 am

That chart show that swing-state voters don’t like anything right. Not the direction of the country, not Obama, not Mitt, not Santorum…nothing.

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
11:28 am

I fixed your opening sentence for you:

In a normal presidential political cycle, fatally flawed politicians such as Barack HUSSEIN Obama would not be viable candidates for a major-party nomination this late in the process.

You are welcome!

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:28 am

Yeah, too bad the people that have had the opportunity to vote so far haven’t allowed that to happen. Them starving to death, as Butch put it, would be the best thing that could happen to the Republicans’ chances of removing Obama from office.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

AmVet – yes, although since they are still stuck very much in the 19th century, it would be nice if they could enter the 20th century. That way, come 2101, they can maybe start thinking about contemplating possibly entering the 21st century.

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:30 am

chuck – Out of curiosity, what is the obsession with the middle name that so many people seem to have?

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:32 am

chuck -”In a normal presidential political cycle, fatally flawed politicians such as Barack HUSSEIN Obama would not be viable candidates for a major-party nomination this late in the process.”

Ummmm……You do understand that’s it more typical for the sitting POTUS to run for re-election more often than not right? Actually, after re-reading what you posted, I realize that in order to understand something, a person has to have the ability to think first. So never mind.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2012
11:33 am

Yip, the last two slates of GOP candidates remind of the 1919 Black Sox.

I think they are on the take and intentionally throwing these elections.

Otherwise, how can one explain these vegetables running for the office of President of the United States?

It truly boggles the mind…

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2012
11:34 am

Sometimes the 1st date goes good and it goes down from there…

Bob Farquhar

February 23rd, 2012
11:34 am

I read somewhere that the GOP is considering dusting-off Palin and Jeb Bush.

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
11:34 am

I don’t know ir…maybe it is the reminder that in spite of the fact that the biggest danger we face in this country is from radical islam, we elected as President in 2008 a man whose early life was dominated by a Muslim father and who has shown throughout his term an inclination toward appeasement of those same radicals (Muslim brotherhood in Egypt for example)

Mighty Righty

February 23rd, 2012
11:34 am

I don’t care for any of the Republican candidates, but there is no way in H— I will ever vote for the socialist currently in the White House.

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2012
11:35 am

Folks who don’t give respect, have little self respect.

Aquagirl

February 23rd, 2012
11:35 am

yes, although since they are still stuck very much in the 19th century

I don’t think they’ve made it that far, Santorum seems comfortably rooted in the pre-Reformation era. He probably has a dart board of Galileo in his basement.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:36 am

that the biggest danger we face in this country is from radical islam, we elected as President in 2008 a man whose early life was dominated by a Muslim father

The crazy is strong in that one.

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
11:36 am

Butch… the fact that you support Obama automatically rules out the possibility of you having any ability or inclination toward rational thought.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:36 am

(ir)Rational -” Out of curiosity, what is the obsession with the middle name that so many people seem to have?”

It makes the President seem more terrortist and dictitorial that way. You know like Sadaam Hussein. I personally just blow it off by equating it to the fact that the people who engage in such behavior are probably the same people who ate their own boogers as children.

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
11:36 am

Beverly Fraud

February 23rd, 2012
11:37 am

Newt and Santorum still in it with Romney is kind of like Joan Rivers and Phyllis Diller in the running with Sophia Loren for Miss Universe.

But as Lloyd Bentsen might have said, “I watched Sophia Loren in the movies. I dreamed of Sophia Loren. Mitt Romney is no Sophia Loren”

I guess to be non-partisan, I could have said “As Larry Craig might have said,” but I’m not really sure about his “stance” on the issue.

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:37 am

AmVet – Bro and I were discussing below that Romney could have been a good candidate, had he ran as himself, and not as the person the far right wanted him to be to win the primary. We both agreed that he could have pulled a lot of votes from both sides of the middle and possibly been good for the country. Having said that, we both agreed that he has been pulled/taken himself so far to the right in an attempt to win some primaries that he has no real chance of doing that now. I actually can’t remember a good crop of primary candidates put forward by either side since I was old enough to pay attention. With the one possible exception being Hillary. I think she would have made a great president.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:37 am

I personally just blow it off by equating it to the fact that the people who engage in such behavior are probably the same people who ate their own boogers as children.

Oh, great, now you’ve condemned my 4-year-old to a life of stupid. Thanks.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

AmVet – There isn’t much about the current Regressive Party (and the state of modern conservatism, for that matter) that doesn’t boggle the mind. It occurred to me last night that we could conceivably be in for a Democrat-controlled executive branch through at least January 2025. I have a strong feeling Biden will not run for reelection and Hillary will instead take his place. That way we have Obama/Clinton through January 2017, and Clinton/_____ through January 2025. Wouldn’t that be awesome?

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

I’m astounded at the lower unfavorability ratings for Romney than for Santorum. Gives weight to the view that the average voter, at this point, is woefully uninformed.

The death spiral thing – further illustration that Republican Party activists, die-hards, Tea Partiers and power brokers are tremendously out of sync with the average Republican voter.

So, AmVet, maybe there is some hope.

chuck

Fo-cus. The topic is the state of the Republican primary process and the effect it has on candidates’ behavior and ratings.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

chuck – “Butch… the fact that you support Obama automatically rules out the possibility of you having any ability or inclination toward rational thought.”

chuck, the fact that you arbitrarilly assumed that only strengthens my original analysis of you.

Mr. Snarky

February 23rd, 2012
11:38 am

Does anyone?
He’s like the nerdy guy who ends up with the girl because he hangs around long enough and the football star ends up in jail. He just keeps hanging around.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:39 am

Bro and I were discussing below that Romney could have been a good candidate, had he ran as himself, and not as the person the far right wanted him to be to win the primary

Had he won as the relatively moderate technocrat he really wants to be, he would have gotten my vote. But he couldn’t help himself to pander to everyone at the same time, so now he loses more than just my vote.

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
11:40 am

(ir)Rational

Huntsman was on Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning (followed by Christie). When asked why he didn’t make it, Huntsman said it was because he refused to pander.

Given the Republican Party activists controlling the primary process, I’m afraid Romney would have met the same fate if he were to have ‘been himself.’

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

It occurred to me last night that we could conceivably be in for a Democrat-controlled executive branch through at least January 2025

Argh! Don’t say that. Rove thought that Republicans would rule for 40 years. The pendulum never ever stops moving in one direction or the other. Never forget that, because if you do, you end up with Bush II screwing things up for 8 years.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
11:41 am

“best money can buy”

Goldman Sachs disagrees. They, GM, and other corporate interests bought Obama in 08.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:42 am

Paul – “Given the Republican Party activists controlling the primary process, I’m afraid Romney would have met the same fate if he were to have ‘been himself.”

I disagree. I think the problem is that he is being exactly like himself. :)

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:42 am

Given the Republican Party activists controlling the primary process, I’m afraid Romney would have met the same fate if he were to have ‘been himself.’

Did McCain pander during the primaries? It didn’t feel like it does for this crop of losers.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
11:43 am

Aqua – I agree with the sentiment but I also happen to believe that Rick is a closet homosexual and his setup therefore consists of penis-shaped darts thrown at a picture of Dan Savage and the President, both naked, in a loving embrace.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2012
11:43 am

(ir), no doubt.

And the guy I feel most sorry for in the whole sordid deal?

Mitt Romney.

Likely a good, honorable man. And potentially even a good president, once upon a time.

But his going all Faust and kissing the ring of the GOP’s lunatic Limbaugh fringe is gonna cost him what chance he ever had.

One would think that the fake conservatives who are handling his campaign would be smarter than to replay the exact same mistakes made last time and to NOT jump right in for another McCaining, huh?

One would think…

RF

February 23rd, 2012
11:44 am

chuck- Obama’s father left the family and he was most directly influenced by his grandparents- Kansas born and bred white folks. I’d say their influence was much stronger than the absentee father the president openly states he had very little contact with through most of his life. My dad, who has always been part of my life, is a functioning alcoholic. I haven’t turned into one because I CHOSE not to- what incontrovertible evidence do you have that Obama has chosen, at any point, to be a full-fledged Muslim?

The Romney numbers only prove what we’ve know all along- the far right doesn’t like a Mormon, the moderates aren’t happy with his foolish play to the right, and the rest just find him boring and unconvincing. He can’t say anything that sounds strong and confident without time for a speech writer and coach to train him. And their only other leading candidate is a zealot who is speaking like a snake charmer in a holy-roller tent revival meeting every chance he gets. Yeah, that makes me, as an independent, really feel good about this race…

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:44 am

ByteMe and Paul – Yeah, that was basically the consensus we came to. I liked Huntsman before, but obviously he didn’t make it very far. As far as the ones there now, two out of the four are crazy, one has way too much baggage and the fourth, I would vote for if he were nominated, but like we said, he pandered to the far right so much that he lost too many people’s confidence. Santorum is so crazy (in my opinion), that I will consider voting for Obama if he looks like he has a chance of winning the general election.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
11:44 am

“I loves me the smell of fresh liberal hatred in the morning”- anonymous Obamabot

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
11:44 am

Butch

Ka-zing!

:-)

Jay

February 23rd, 2012
11:45 am

Along those lines, Amvet, you may have noticed that in the debate last night, Romney quoted George Costanza, the Seinfeld character. Jason Alexander, the actor who played George, later tweeted the following:

“Thrilled Gov. Romney enjoys my old character. I enjoyed the character he used 2 b 2. If he’d embrace that again, he’d b a great candidate.”

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:46 am

Thulsa Doom – ““I loves me the smell of fresh liberal hatred in the morning”-

Not me, I sure do wish Ann Coulter and the rest of the liberals would get on board with the GOP party and start showing support for this stellar group of candidates.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:46 am

Jay, that’s awesome.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
11:46 am

maybe it is the reminder that in spite of the fact that the biggest danger we face in this country is from radical islam, we elected as President in 2008 a man whose early life was dominated by a Muslim father and who has shown throughout his term an inclination toward appeasement of those same radicals

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JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
11:47 am

“Likely a good, honorable man. And potentially even a good president, once upon a time.”

Agreed, but he wants it TOO much that he will stop at nothing for it, regardless of how many different stances he takes. Santourum my be off, but he is consistent.

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:47 am

ByteMe – I don’t remember it feeling like this 4 years ago either, but then again, I and everyone else I know were all way more wrapped up in the democrat primaries than we were in the Republican.

AmVet – Romney, and America are the losers in how our current primary system works. Actually, I wouldn’t mind seeing the two parties that we have now occupying the extreme fringe of their beliefs and having a third party take over the center so people like me would have a home.

Curious Observer

February 23rd, 2012
11:47 am

I see only a couple of explanations for Romney’s unpopularity in the swing states:

1. Conservative voters would rather have a truly conservative candidate than win the general election. They want a fire-breather who expresses their frustrations and deeply held beliefs. It’s sort of a re-run of the Confederates who know they’ve been beaten but continue to carry around Confederate battle flags and bumper stickers. That’s why Santorum out-paces Romney. These conservatives are somewhat like the beaten and bruised boxer who wants to boast, “But I got my licks in.”

2. The poll cited includes Democrats and independents who, given a choice of two somewhat distasteful alternatives, are willing to stick with the devil they know (Obama) than turn to the devil they don’t know (Romney). And who can know Romney, given the inconsistencies in his past?

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:48 am

Bro – Thank you. That is exactly what that comment called for.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
11:48 am

Oh, great, now you’ve condemned my 4-year-old to a life of stupid. Thanks.

ByteMe

Sounds like you need to stage an intervention… STAT!!!

AmVet

February 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

And to Paul’s point, with the extreme degree of dysfunctionality in that party now, only the most rabid – or the ones who fake it best – can run the neo-con gauntlet of being willfully unpragmatic and dogmatic…

But ask them, they will tell you that they are fiercely proud that they stand alone against every modern civilization and western democracy in the world.

Which tells you pretty much all you need to know about them…

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

“The Romney numbers only prove what we’ve know all along- the far right doesn’t like a Mormon,”

Not intended to be a factual statement. You gotta love it when they think they can read the minds and hearts of millions of people.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

JOE COOL – “Santourum my be off, but he is consistent.”

I’ll see your Santorum and raise you a G.W. Bush and Iraq. :)

Josey Whales

February 23rd, 2012
11:49 am

Chuck – you still looking for those WMD’s and yellow cake. Also looking for the real killer(outside of O.J.)

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:50 am

Sounds like you need to stage an intervention… STAT!!!

Sigh. We try. Every day. We try. But his fingers are sneaky.

Josey Whales

February 23rd, 2012
11:50 am

Santourum is consistently OFF

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
11:50 am

(ir)Rational – again, if we can be objective for a second, mainstream Democrats do not occupy the extreme fringe. Not even close. That’s not to say there aren’t extreme liberals, but they represent the minority and are the proverbial eunuchs of their party. The same can’t be said of the Regressive Party, for whom moderate conservatives are the eunuchs. Remember, the term “RINO” is bandied about quite a bit, and never in a good way; there is no corollary for progressives.

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:51 am

ByteMe – Rub some jalapenos on them (cut up), he won’t go anywhere near his eyes, nose, mouth or anything else with them. Then again, DFACS might consider that child abuse.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
11:52 am

Paul

Huntsman and Romney were the two that I thought would have the best chance at attracting enough independents to beat Obama. With Huntsman out and Romney wearing two right shoes, I don’t see anything at this point to drain off the independent vote.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:52 am

That’s not to say there aren’t extreme liberals, but they represent the minority and are the proverbial eunuchs of their party

Queuing up a response that reeks of false equivalency from Rightwingnutistan in 3… 2… 1…

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:52 am

ByteMe – “Sigh. We try. Every day. We try. But his fingers are sneaky.

Try the Clockwork Orange approach. Prop his eyelids open in front of your computer and make him listen to you read some of these blog statements aloud. :)

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:52 am

Then again, DFACS might consider that child abuse.

What do you mean “might”? :lol:

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:53 am

Yip – You could be surprised to see that the perception is similar, but opposite when viewed from the other side of the isle.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2012
11:53 am

“the far right doesn’t like a Mormon”

welp … all I can say is that the Republicans I know are anti-choice, but not religious extremists – they are the only ones I know who like Romney. And, even then, they don’t like-like him … they’re accepting him as the best of the lot.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
11:53 am

“Not me, I sure do wish Ann Coulter and the rest of the liberals would get on board with the GOP party and start showing support for this stellar group of candidates’

Well if they don’t like this group they can always stick with the proven loser who has presided over the single worst economic recovery since the Great Depression. Or they could go with Elmer Fudd. He couldn’t possibly do any worse than the O man. Personally I think Ann is holding out for Elmer to announce.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
11:54 am

If I was a Leftie, God forbid, I’d be concerned of Santorum’s unfavorables being less than Barry’s disapprovals. Knowing, that as gas prices increase the annointed one’s numbers are going down the toilet. How do you yuts put it – it sucks to be a Democrat?

retired early

February 23rd, 2012
11:54 am

Huntsman was the best GOP candidate and you see how the far right treated him. Nothing short of a religious nut case can survive their primary. So, why is anybody surprised that Santorum is in the lead.
It’s really kind of fun to watch the GOP self destruct.

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

ByteMe – I don’t know, the only time I’ve ever dealt with DFACS is when they investigated my parents for child abuse cause I visited the ER too many times in a row. All of the injuries were documented to my stupidity, and happened at school, but they still felt the need to check.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

Thulsa Doom – ” Personally I think Ann is holding out for Elmer to announce.”

Probabaly, but Palin is going to have to wait until the brokered convention to do so.

Jefferson

February 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

Hate turns the mind to jello, at that point they will settle for anything. Too bad if it don’t go your way, buddy.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:55 am

Well if they don’t like this group they can always stick with the proven loser who has presided over the single worst economic recovery since the Great Depression.

Huh. That’s the latest talking point, Doomie? That this credit crisis recovery looks a lot like the Great Depressions credit crisis recovery? That one’s gonna be a hard sell to anyone with a brain, so it’ll work well with your constituency, I reckon.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
11:56 am

And Santorum makes many people’s stomach turn. Sad what has become of the Republican party.
Democrats need some competition for the top spot.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
11:56 am

@Butch Cassidy…lol

@Josey Whales, agreed, but he gives the base what they want. The Tea Party is jumping on his bandwagon. Once Newt gets out of the race, Santorum numbers in the GOP will skyrocket.

Jimmy62

February 23rd, 2012
11:57 am

Just remember, Obama won the last election with tons of money bundled by Tony Rezko, who now sits in jail for fraud. I seem to remember Corzine helping him collect money, too. Obama uses convicted criminals and thugs to get money, yet y’all are upset about legit PACs who are not breaking any laws.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
11:57 am

“..the extreme degree of dysfunctionality in that party (Republican) now….”

Are you kidding me? Obama stepped in it waste high with the Catholic birth control fiasco trampling the Constitution along the way; the hard Left supports him on it, and the Right is dysfunctional?

RF

February 23rd, 2012
11:57 am

thulsa: the fact that so many religious leaders are lukewarm at best in their support for Romney speaks volumes. Quite a few have outright said they’ll vote for him if and only if he’s the only alternative they have, but they still consider Mormonism a cult. I’m talking about the FAR right- a group which has been very vocal in this campaign even if the more moderate majority of the party doesn’t agree with them. And the fact that all of the current pool of candidates is pandering to them only encourages their lunacy.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
11:58 am

it sucks to be a Democrat?

LOL, we are looking at a landslide for Obama in November. It sure don’t suck. High times right now!

(ir)Rational

February 23rd, 2012
11:58 am

Alright, I’m going to lunch. Y’all have fun.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:58 am

Jimmy62 – “yet y’all are upset about legit PACs who are not breaking any laws.”

Who’s upset? If the SPs want to throw their money at a bunch of dysfunctional asshats, it’s their right to do so.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
11:58 am

(ir)Rational – Perception does not equal reality. And in the real, fact-based world that I live in – as opposed to the magic bubble Regressives have created for themselves where up is down, left is right and Obama is a marxist socialist anarchist Kenyan Muslim anti-Christian community organizing stock market loving anti-capitalist Jew hater – it would be impossible to argue that the Democrats have nearly as many crazies in their party as do the Regressive Party.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
11:59 am

Well if they don’t like this group they can always stick with the proven loser who has presided over the single worst economic recovery since the Great Depression.

Would you rather us go through a slow, steady recovery built upon something solid or see another “jobless recovery” a.k.a. bubble inflated only to screw us over down the road again? I, for one, am tired of the bubble economy. If it takes a 10 year recovery to build our economic foundation on something solid, I’ll have no problem waiting it out.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
11:59 am

JohnnyReb – “and the Right is dysfunctional?”

Why don’t you ask them, they seem to bitch more than anybody about the current batch of candidates.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
11:59 am

Obama stepped in it waste high with the Catholic birth control fiasco trampling the Constitution along the way

Already pointed out many times that his numbers with women are through the roof because of it and the SC has already affirmed his position more than once. It’s you who is out in the wilderness on this one.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm

“Obama stepped in it waste high with the Catholic birth control fiasco trampling the Constitution along the way”

:lol:

the President solidified the public’s support of birth control and women’s health – with the support of the Supremes … so Constitutional violation??? not quite.

RF

February 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm

johnnyreb: the right was first to vote for laws requiring religious organizations to offer birth control coverage in insurance. IOWA passed one of the first laws requiring, and heck even Mike Huckabee himself as governor of Arkansas signed such a law. Check your facts- the president only took a position that many of his critics had taken years ago. If the constitution was “trampled” it was done by conservative leaders over the last ten years when they passed state laws requiring contraceptive coverage in insurance.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm

Finn – there will only be a small carrying charge for the crying towels for people as you in November. If Obama wins, it won’t be a landslide.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
12:00 pm

“Obama won the last election with tons of money bundled by Tony Rezko”

AHHHH yes, the Rezko card. The Soros card in 3,2,1……..

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:01 pm

The US is heading in the right direction is up 12 points since November?

Yeah, November will be a Republican blood bath. Good thing they already have a lot of red in their logo – the stains won’t show.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm

The Soros card in 3,2,1……..

Didn’t know this about him, but Soros has given millions to foster democracy in the eastern European formerly communist countries.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm

How do you yuts put it – it sucks to be a Democrat?

Actually, in today’s time, it sucks to be tied to either party’s ideology as they’re both worth less than two week old dried up dog sh*t. That’s just my opinion though. It doesn’t seem like either party wants to make the hard decisions that we need to correct things. Yet, they’d rather blame each other for crap and further stall things, which is only making things worse.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm

JOE COOL – ““Obama won the last election with tons of money bundled by Tony Rezko”

Yes, but only when he wasn’t “palling around” with terrorists. :)

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
12:02 pm

Come on SCOTUS on Obamacare. Come on November. I can’t wait to see who is dillusional. And, the contraceptive issue is not over just because in Progressive minds it is.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
12:03 pm

“yet y’all are upset about legit PACs who are not breaking any laws.”

NOPE, just note it goes both ways. If the Obama admin raised like 600 plus million with no Super Pac last time, what kind of monies do you think he will do now that he has one?

RF

February 23rd, 2012
12:03 pm

“with the support of the Supremes”

USinUK: sorry, I just had a flash of sequined dresses and bouffant hairdo’s in the background. Now if the prez had had that when he was singing at the blues celebration, that would have a good show!!

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:04 pm

Johnny Reb is living in a lah-lah land similar to Romney. Who needs drugs?

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:05 pm

JohnnyReb – “And, the contraceptive issue is not over just because in Progressive minds it is.”

Wait, only yesterday on this very blog, your team accused the “Progressives” of manufacturing the contraceptive flap as a distraction from the real issues. Now, it’s suddenly not going to go away except in the mind of the Progressives? Geebus, no wonder you love Romney!

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm

Come November 7th we are laying out the Sharia Law and taking yer guns.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm

“Yes, but only when he wasn’t “palling around” with terrorists”

You mean the one who wrote his 1st book….lol. :-)

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm

Finn – “Come November 7th we are laying out the Sharia Law and taking yer guns.”

You left out the part about impregnating their daughters and then forcing them to get abortions.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
12:07 pm

ByteMe,

Facts is facts ma’am. Fact of the matter is that its the single worst economic recovery since the great depression. I’m sorry if you don’t like the facts with them being facts and all. But it is what it is ma’am. Own up to the economy. Debbie Wasserman does.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
12:07 pm

jm

If you’re still floating around, you posted this link from Heritage earlier.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/

Another eye-popping number was the percentage of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, which now accounts for nearly half of the U.S. population. Meanwhile, most of that population receives generous federal benefits.

“One of the most worrying trends in the Index is the coinciding growth in the non-taxpaying public,” wrote Heritage authors Bill Beach and Patrick Tyrrell. “The percentage of people who do not pay federal income taxes, and who are not claimed as dependents by someone who does pay them, jumped from 14.8 percent in 1984 to 49.5 percent in 2009.”

Nowhere in that short little piece do they address the income makeup of that group. Had they bothered to do so, it would burst the bubble on the Right’s talking point about that group. When you realize that the 49.5% pretty much mirrors the population as a whole, there’s more on the lower end of the income level while a small percentage of the top 1% is included, it blows that whole meme about people who pay no income tax not contributing to society. I wish someone in the land of honest journalism (if that still exists) would expose the bullsh*t behind that talking point once and for all. Maybe if we blew away all the bullsh*t, people would quit regurgitating it and actually try to solve problems.

Oscar

February 23rd, 2012
12:08 pm

Romney was against the bail out of the auto industry. No way he will carry any states in the midwest or any indurstrial states.
He did not want to help homeonwers avoid foreclosure. There go Georgia, Nevada, California and Florida. Does not seem to leave him much to work with.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:09 pm

Thulsa – Are you aware that jobless claims fell for the 6th straight week?

Didn’t think so.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:10 pm

Oscar – “Romney was against the bail out of the auto industry. No way he will carry any states in the midwest or any indurstrial states.
He did not want to help homeonwers avoid foreclosure. There go Georgia, Nevada, California and Florida. Does not seem to leave him much to work with.”

Yeah, it’s kind of hard to kick someone in the balls and then immediately turn around and say ” Hey, let’s be friends” :)

Jm

February 23rd, 2012
12:10 pm

Factually wrong jay

The first real swing state, FL, went to Romney

Try again jay

carlosgvv

February 23rd, 2012
12:11 pm

Jay, I see it differently. The Republican Party has been taken over by fundamentalist Christians who espouse the Tea Party line. They just don’t see Romney as a true Christian. So, since Gingrich has so much baggage, they flock to Santorum. You and I and most people who can think straight see Santorm as he really is, flawed beyond redemption. Unfortunately, too many of the far-right electorate see him as almost the fore-runner of the Second Coming. Even if America still has enough Democrats and independents to keep this mediocre loser out of office for now, this dumbing down trend shows no signs of abaiting and will eventually put him or someone like him into the White House. Then we will have to say – Goodbye America, we once knew you so well.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
12:12 pm

Oscar

February 23rd, 2012
12:08 pm

If you vote for MITT and you’re out of that Mid-West and you STILL have a job in some shape or form from the bailouts of the car industry, you are hands down stoooopid.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm

“That’s pretty amazing, and it’s hard to imagine a means of reversing that trend. In fact, the data suggest that Romney may be trapped in a political death spiral. As his numbers drop, they give Santorum and Gingrich continuing reason to keep the campaign going. And the longer the GOP contest goes on, the longer Romney’s collapse continues.”

This is why a brokered convention is looking more and more possible.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:13 pm

carlosgvv – ” Then we will have to say – Goodbye America, we once knew you so well.”

But if that person happens to be Republican, then the likes of JohnnyReb and Thulsa Doom will give them a free pass and loudly sing their praises.

Bruno

February 23rd, 2012
12:14 pm

That’s pretty amazing, and it’s hard to imagine a means of reversing that trend. In fact, the data suggest that Romney may be trapped in a political death spiral. As his numbers drop, they give Santorum and Gingrich continuing reason to keep the campaign going. And the longer the GOP contest goes on, the longer Romney’s collapse continues.

Don’t fret, Jay. Once the party decides on one candidate, the poll results will improve.

The real story, as I see it, are Obama’s abysmal popularity numbers. Even with the force of the Office of Presidency behind him and an adoring press ready to knight him at every turn, less than half of America thinks he’s doing a good job. Subtract out the hard-core Lefties from the poll, and he’s not doing well at all.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:14 pm

The first real swing state, FL, went to Romney

Let’s all hang our hats on that! Whew. Romney has the White House all sewn up now, doesn’t he?

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
12:14 pm

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:09 pm
Thulsa – Are you aware that jobless claims fell for the 6th straight week?

“Didn’t think so.”

Yip Yip,

Are you aware that since the day Obama took office till now that we are still net negative 428,000 jobs?

Didn’t think so.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

Just wondering who, by name, anyone thinks would be the candidate if the Repub convention does not nominate one of the current contenders?

AmVet

February 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

…and the Right is dysfunctional?

Hyper-dysfunctional.

A laughingstock.

A group of now emasculated chickenhawks.

As evidenced by the travesty of the past two sets of candidates for the White House.

Do you catch my drift?

USinUK

February 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

RF – 12:03 – damn. now just TRY to get the image of Scalia in that get-up out of my head …

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

Towncrier – brokered or contested? Karl “I screwed it up for Regressives for a loooooooooooong time” Rove had an interesting piece on this very issue in the Faux Street Journal today.

Jm

February 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

Sorry bro busy

Just drive bys today

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:15 pm

Bruno – “Subtract out the hard-core Lefties from the poll, and he’s not doing well at all.”

Subtract out the hard-core “Righties” from the poll, and none of the GOP candidates is doing well at all.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2012
12:16 pm

“Romney has the Waffle House all sewn up now, doesn’t he?”

closer to the truth

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:16 pm

“It doesn’t seem like either party wants to make the hard decisions that we need to correct things. Yet, they’d rather blame each other for crap and further stall things, which is only making things worse.”

Well said, Brosephus. I concur.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:16 pm

Thulsa,

Are you aware that since George Washington was President we are net positive millions of jobs?

Didn’t think so.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
12:17 pm

“Subtract out the hard-core Lefties from the poll, and he’s not doing well at all.”

Subtract out the hard-core Righties from the poll, and NONE of the GOP candidates are doing well at all.

Fixed your typo

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
12:17 pm

u beat me to it Butch..lol

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:18 pm

JohnnyReb – “Just wondering who, by name, anyone thinks would be the candidate if the Repub convention does not nominate one of the current contenders?”

Here, this is the last time I do your Right Wing homework for you.

“Jeb Bush would be the most likely “white knight” candidate to get drafted into a brokered convention.

AmVet

February 23rd, 2012
12:18 pm

The adoring press has a long history of turning a blind eye to egregious faults of those in power. Look at the free ride they gave to the (W)orst ever for eight straight years.

Shameful.

Apparently, like Reid, Obama, Pelosi, Clinton et al, they too took impeachment “off of the table” in 2006.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Obama wins! And in 5 years from now the day before he leaves office O makes his departure speech to America. And it goes like this-

Things are starting to get better…

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
12:19 pm

Fact of the matter is that its the single worst economic recovery since the great depression.

Go sell that to the people. They look at the jobless 2000’s and wonder why all the rich folks got all those tax breaks because they were supposedly “job creators”. Good luck with your talking point.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm

Nostra – the President could say exactly that right now, and it’d be 100% true. No need to thank me for pointing out the obvious.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:20 pm

Yip yip,

Are you aware that your last post violated innumerable stupid laws resulting in stupid law violation fines in the millions?

Didn’t think so.

ragnar danneskjold

February 23rd, 2012
12:21 pm

At risk of noting an incredibly-shallow observation, the more-likeable candidate has won every presidential election since at least 1940 (and maybe back to 1920) except 1968. Other arguable exceptions were 1964 and 1972, where the loser was effectively demonized by effective negative campaigning. Not a hard rule, but undoubtedly there is a substantial portion of the electorate that is not issue-oriented.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
12:22 pm

Just wondering who, by name, anyone thinks would be the candidate if the Repub convention does not nominate one of the current contenders?

“None of the above”.

Won’t happen. The money won’t follow that direction. And politics at the national level is all about money. You can’t tell someone these days “you have 2 months to make the case for you becoming president with no infrastructure to support your bid.” Only the narcissist would say “sure, I can win in that circumstance.”

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:22 pm

Nostra – I’d love for you to back that up with citations to said laws. I’m in a generous mood today so you can research the issue until Hillary is sworn in as President in January of 2017.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:23 pm

Yip yip,

Well if you think 1.7% economic growth for 2011 was what America deserves then it says a lot about your perfectly low expectatations of the O man. Its cool though. I have very low expectations myself of the man. And he has truly met those abysmally low expectations.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm

Are you aware that since the day Obama took office till now that we are still net negative 428,000 jobs?

Well, considering the fact that when he was sworn in we were losing twice as much in one month, it doesn’t seem all that bad, does it? It’s all about perspectives. You’re looking at a snapshot when you should be watching a film. Short term thinking never anticipates long term consequences. Seems like you would be much happier with another bubble economy instead of something that’s far more solid and would last much longer. That’s only how I can interpret what you’re saying unless I’m missing something.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
12:24 pm

At risk of noting an incredibly-shallow observation, the more-likeable candidate has won every presidential election since at least 1940 (and maybe back to 1920) except 1968.

1968 was lost at the convention with all the rioting going on right outside.

Your observation has a strong hint of truth to it. Many people want to “like” the President they vote for. But it’s People magazine-level of “like” and not too deep.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:25 pm

“Towncrier – brokered or contested? Karl “I screwed it up for Regressives for a loooooooooooong time” Rove had an interesting piece on this very issue in the Faux Street Journal today.”

Thanks for that Y. I respect Rove’s acumen, but we’ll see.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:25 pm

Nostra – “Well if you think 1.7% economic growth for 2011 was what America deserves then it says a lot about your perfectly low expectatations of the O man.

Well, if you think destroying the world economy for the sake of lower taxes and a hyper inflated credit bubble was what America deserved then it says a lot about your perfectly high expectations of the GOP.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Butch – Jeb Bush won’t happen. First, who he is. The country is currently fatigued with “Bush.” Next, he may have been governor of a Southern state, but the base might as well support Romney if Jeb is to be the substitute.

RF

February 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

ByteMe: @12:22. In this case, I think a ringer could come in right now and do it. And I bet the money guys would throw their weight behind him if the poll numbers looked good. I truly believe if Christie would agree to run, the billionaires would fall over themselves bringing the checks.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Yip Yip,

Sure thing. You violated Section D, subsection 2.g, paragraphs 4 through 17. And the entirety of the section covering inane, irrelevant, and completely inconsequential posts.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:26 pm

Nostra – might I suggest another vocation for you? Clairvoyance really isn’t your thing. Thanks for playing, though. The great thing abour our Democracy is that it gives voice to those who otherwise wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) have any.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:27 pm

Jeb has too much baggage.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

JohnnyReb – “Jeb Bush won’t happen. First, who he is. The country is currently fatigued with “Bush.” Next, he may have been governor of a Southern state, but the base might as well support Romney if Jeb is to be the substitute.”

Don’t tell me, tell the Daily Beast. It was their prediction, I merely stole it for reference.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Nostra – “Sure thing. You violated Section D, subsection 2.g, paragraphs 4 through 17. And the entirety of the section covering inane, irrelevant, and completely inconsequential posts.”

Kettle calling the pot black, perhaps?

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:28 pm

Butch Cassidy,

You coulda just said “Its W’s fault” on your way to absolving the Dems of any and all responsibility relating the housing crisis meltdown.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm

“Jeb has too much baggage.”

not the least of which is his last name

the biggest steamer trunk, however, is his role in the Schaivo fiasco

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:30 pm

Nostra – “You coulda just said “Its W’s fault” on your way to absolving the Dems of any and all responsibility relating the housing crisis meltdown.”

I didn’t absolve anybody, but then again, I only saw Bush and Paulson begging the American public to accept the TARP program in order to avoid the U.S. plunging over the cliff.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:31 pm

“The great thing abour our Democracy is that it gives voice to those who otherwise wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) have any.”

You should know better than anyone ma’am. The beauty of the internet is that it gives a forum for folks like yourself. Doesn’t make the silliness of your particular posts any less silly. It just makes your foolishness more accessible to the rest of us.

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
12:32 pm

Spending went from bad to worse when the DEMOCRAPS controlled Congress from 2007-2010.
Worst 4 year period in the history of the world for fiscal responsibility.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:33 pm

“Unfortunately, too many of the far-right electorate see him [Santorum] as almost the fore-runner of the Second Coming.”

Hyperbole, thy name is Carlos. Have you something to say that is more grounded in reality?

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:34 pm

Butch Cassidy,

Ya’ll need to make up your minds about TARP. I’ve seen you guys pile on W for TARP which started under him and at the same time extolling the virtues of Obama for instituting TARP, stimulus, etc. and therefore “saving” the economy with such supports as TARP. Which is it?

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm

Nostra – you didn’t manage to ’see’ that I’m a sir, not a ma’am. But that’s ok. I was taught to have sympathy for those less fortunate than myself. May our safety net cushion your fall! (And I mean that sincerely.)

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm

JOSE – “Spending went from bad to worse when the DEMOCRAPS controlled Congress from 2007-2010.
Worst 4 year period in the history of the world for fiscal responsibility

Okay, for starters, the economy imploded in 2008. And second, the housing bubble began growing in 2003, so how do you account for the 5 years prior to the economy tanking without invoking the Republicans?

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm

jm

I guess you meant the mittsiah, my president is not a deity and never thought he was..

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm

In this case, I think a ringer could come in right now and do it. And I bet the money guys would throw their weight behind him if the poll numbers looked good. I truly believe if Christie would agree to run, the billionaires would fall over themselves bringing the checks.

Look at how bad Palin looked on the national stage with only 2 months to learn how to be part of an existing national campaign. Whoever says “yes” to that proposition will have to take one of the current wannabees as VP to get that leg up on building a campaign infrastructure and only Romney has a large enough presence at this point. Is he that craven to take second place after coming close to winning first place and no one else came closer? Possibly.

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

February 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm

Doom – “Ya’ll need to make up your minds about TARP. I’ve seen you guys pile on W for TARP which started under him and at the same time extolling the virtues of Obama for instituting TARP, stimulus, etc. and therefore “saving” the economy with such supports as TARP. Which is it?”

Factual Statement

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm

Nostra – “Ya’ll need to make up your minds about TARP. I’ve seen you guys pile on W for TARP which started under him and at the same time extolling the virtues of Obama for instituting TARP, stimulus, etc. and therefore “saving” the economy with such supports as TARP. Which is it?

I didn’t extoll virtues on anyone either. TARP started under Bush and the funds were dispersed under Bush. Obama implemented the stimulus, which I have neither praised nor admonished here today.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:37 pm

Yip Yip,

Is that all ya got?

Such a tedious little man.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm

So how do you account for the 5 years prior to the economy tanking without invoking the Republicans?

Selective amnesia. It’s almost like 8 years of Bush screwing everything up didn’t happen.

RF

February 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm

JOSE: And the trillions spent on two wars, the esclating deficit caused by unfunded tax cuts wasn’t a problem? The spending spree began before 2007 and hasn’t really been fixed by either party since.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:39 pm

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:35 pm
Nostra – you didn’t manage to ’see’ that I’m a sir, not a ma’am

Yip yip,

I kinda figured that one would go over your ahead. And it did…

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
12:40 pm

RF, His father didn’t leave until he was 4 and his mother married another Muslim and they lived in a Muslim area of Jakarta where he attended a Muslim school until he was 10 years old. Don’t tell me there was no influence on his life from his first 10 years.

Secondly, the poll numbers have nothing to do with the fact that Romney is a Mormon. While I do not share the same belief system as Mormons, we do share many of the same VALUES. The problem with Romney is that he is McCain without the Gravitas. He is NOT a CONSERVATIVE candidate, he is at best a moderate… McCain Light, if you will. Santorum is a much better Candidate on the ISSUES of importance in this election year. I trust him to put an end to indiscriminate spending. I trust him to get a handle on the National debt and begin paying it down. I trust him to do what he SAYS he will do. I do not trust Romney to do any of that.

If the media…including Bookman…keep attacking Santorum with their ridiculous claims, they may succeed in pulling down his candidacy. Lord knows they will keep at it so they can get their messiah Barack HUSSEIN Obama re-elected. If that happens, I will hold my knows and vote for Romney if he is the only other choice, but I prefer voting for someone that will RIGHT some of the wrongs of the last 5-6 years and get our country back on track. The BEST candidate to do that is Santorum, but ANY of the 4 would be better than what we have.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm

After Debate, Santorum Finds Himself on the Defensive

Like a confused, delusional, man-child backed into a corner.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm

Nostra – in addition to changing vocations, might I suggest you change your handle, too. At 6′3 and 204lbs, I’m nobody’s idea of a ‘little man’ (not even in Regressive magic bubble land).

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm

Butch Cassidy @ 12:37,

Fair enough sir.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm

“Thulsa – Are you aware that jobless claims fell for the 6th straight week?”

I personally hesitate to make much of that as we are still in a very bad state.

Midori

February 23rd, 2012
12:41 pm

regarding Chuck –

you guys need to cut him some slack.

I went for a walk about an hour ago and tuned into Neal on my headphones.

Chuck pretty much repeated VERBATIM the garbage Boortz spewed about Obama’s upbringing.

Only thing missing was how NON CHRISTIAN Obama’s white grandparents were.

So poor Chuck was just repeating what he heard. Maybe he’s trying to impress us with his rote skills?

RF

February 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm

“Is he that craven to take second place after coming close to winning first place and no one else came closer? Possibly.”

Depends on Michigan and Super Tuesday. I see one of two things happening: Romney wins enough and gets a stable lead and stays the frontrunner. If not, the current clamoring for another candidate grows to the point that they could put Mickey Mouse in the race and he’d win.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:43 pm

Santorum is a much better Candidate on the ISSUES of importance in this election year.

LOL, he is slightly better than a door stop.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:44 pm

chuck – “If the media…including Bookman…keep attacking Santorum with their ridiculous claims, they may succeed in pulling down his candidacy.”

Wow, if Left Wing writers such as Bookman have the ability to influence the Right Wing voting bloc to that extent, then I guess the Republicans are weaker than I thought.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
12:44 pm

Midori

Bless his heart…

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm

RF, let me ask you a question. Wasn’t the so-called “stimulus” supposed to be a ONE TIME attempt to boost the economy by funding “shovel ready” projects? If that is the case…and it was, how come Obama’s budget is 800 BILLION dollars higher that the PRE-STIMULUS budget…interestingly enough, making PERMANENT that ONE TIME stimulus?

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:45 pm

chuck – as a progressive, I’m actually torn as to whether I’d like to see the President face off against Rick or Mitt. While Rick is more beatable than Mitt, I also happen to think that a Rick candidacy is more likely to bring out regressive wingnuts (Wingfield, too), thereby making it more difficult for the Democrats to reclaim the House. On the other hand, while Mittens is marginally less beatable than the Rickster, I also think that Mitt as the nominee would cause regressive wingnuts (though not necessarily Wingfield) to stay home, thereby making it easier for the Democrats to regain the house.

Oscar

February 23rd, 2012
12:46 pm

LOL, he is slightly better than a door stop.
_______

I think I would go with the door stop. They serve a useful function and don’t do any harm.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:47 pm

chuck – “Wasn’t the so-called “stimulus” supposed to be a ONE TIME attempt to boost the economy.

Wasn’t the so-called TARP supposed to do the same thing?

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
12:47 pm

Actually Midori, that information came from Obama’s own biography which I read years ago. I haven’t listened to Boortz in at least 2-3 years and never listened to him on a regular basis.

Recon 0311 2533

February 23rd, 2012
12:47 pm

You have the Purple Poll and then you have the Gallup poll. Choose your poll.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152918/Romney-Santorum-Closely-Matched-Against-Obama-Nationally.aspx

carlosgvv

February 23rd, 2012
12:47 pm

Towncrier – 12:33

Time to take off the blinders and see things as they really are, not as you might like them to be.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Yip yip,

Who knew you were such a big, bad man behind that keyboard. I’m quite a sizeable fella myself.

As for changing my handle you can suggest all you want. And I can politely decline. And you of course also reserve the right to keep your yip, yip, yip handle which reminds me of yippy, yappy chihuahuas.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=yappy+chihuahua+on+youtube&view=detail&mid=E5918E62CB3B1F9C8931E5918E62CB3B1F9C8931&first=0&FORM=LKVR2

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

BUTCH / RF

It is the job of Congress to pass budgets. Not a President. DEMOCRATS HAD MAJORITY RULE FROM 2007-2010. The worst four year period for deficits is strictly a DEMOCRAT PROBLEM. The defecits of REPUGNANTS FROM 2001-2006 are not as much as they 2007-2010 period. The wars and Bush tax cuts were unwise and did casue deficits but COWER in comparison to the PELOUSY deficits …… i mean PELOSI deficits.

Midori

February 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

maybe he needs another facepalm, Bro? :lol:

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

February 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

When the Republicans lose in November they will think the reason is that they need a more Conservative candidate. They need a new GPS because they are looking in the wrong direction.

JMHO

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

From the NYTimes:
The number of people seeking unemployment aid was unchanged last week and the four-week average of applications fell to its lowest point in four years, the Labor Department said.

Granny Godzilla

February 23rd, 2012
12:48 pm

Ok Liberal and Progressive Patriots…

Just cause it’s becoming obvious that we are wipe the floor with the GOP
in November – We must not be complacent.

We can not only win this, we can win it big.

Obama Biden 2012

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm

Nostra – have a nice life.

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm

What’s with conservatives prefacing every noun representing something they don’t like with “so-called”?

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm

Why hasn’t the DEMOCRAT controlled SENATE passed a BUDGET in over 1000 days?
INCOMPETENCE

Midori

February 23rd, 2012
12:49 pm

whoa Jose has caplockitis…..

Aquagirl

February 23rd, 2012
12:50 pm

So poor Chuck was just repeating what he heard. Maybe he’s trying to impress us with his rote skills?

I think he certainly deserves a cracker. And maybe fresh paper for his cage.

Midori

February 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

yeah Chuck.

sure.

I only have one question: how’s Morgan Fairchild doing?

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

“Wow, if Left Wing writers such as Bookman have the ability to influence the Right Wing voting bloc to that extent, then I guess the Republicans are weaker than I thought.”

LOL. Jay writes some thoughtful and some propaganda pieces, but he is not likely to sway conservative voting patterns. Santorum is hurting his own candidacy (by not controlling what he says), without any help from Jay.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

You have the Purple Poll and then you have the Gallup poll.

And then you have the dancing poll which we try to keep our daughters from learning how to use.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

Why hasn’t the DEMOCRAT controlled SENATE passed a BUDGET in over 1000 days?

Why bother when you can pass the real deal with appropriations bills instead of just “plans” like budget bills? Or do you not understand the difference and you’re just repeating what you last heard on TV or radio?

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

JOSE – “Why hasn’t the DEMOCRAT controlled SENATE passed a BUDGET in over 1000 days?
INCOMPETENCE”

Probably, but I haven’t given a free pass to anyone here. WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

Granny Godzilla

February 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

caplockitis and wrongaboutsenatecontrolatosis…

ill?

Probes at the ready!

Midori

February 23rd, 2012
12:51 pm

Aquagirl,

you always crack me up :lol:

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
12:52 pm

finn

You know according to rush, it’s all lies….

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:53 pm

“What’s with conservatives prefacing every noun representing something they don’t like with “so-called”?”

Dunno. First I’ve seen anyone take notice of it. But I’ll take that over plastering a post with smiley faces any time.

jm

February 23rd, 2012
12:53 pm

“Romney may be trapped in a political death spiral” HYPERBOLE ALERT!

silliness.

Good read below.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/02/19/china-s-party-power-struggle-2012-reds-vs-reformers.html

(/driveby)

RF

February 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm

chuck- as I said, it’s all about choice. You choose what you become, sometimes in spite of your parents. Again, cite the incontrovertible evidence. Lots of rumors, but I can’t find anything that proves them. What so many keep hanging up on is his name. That proves nothing.

Jay

February 23rd, 2012
12:55 pm

UPDATE: Fresh numbers out of Rasmussen:

Obama 49 percent
Romney 39 percent.

Yes, Rasmussen.

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

February 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm

“I only have one question: how’s Morgan Fairchild doing?”

???

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm

Towncrier – ” Jay writes some thoughtful and some propaganda pieces, but he is not likely to sway conservative voting patterns. Santorum is hurting his own candidacy (by not controlling what he says), without any help from Jay.”

Not according to chuck. Either the Republican voting base is so weak that their front runner can be brought down by a mere opinion piece by Jay or Santorum is. Either way, it can’t be good.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:56 pm

“Time to take off the blinders and see things as they really are, not as you might like them to be.”

And I suppose you’re the perfect guy to help me do so, huh? Can you point me to even a single post of yours that advances a rational argument as opposed to emotional hyperbole?

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:57 pm

“Not according to chuck.”

Oh…well, then. I guess I stand corrected.

Nostra"Doom"us predicts

February 23rd, 2012
12:57 pm

Yip, Yip,

Thank you. I will. And you have a nice day.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
12:57 pm

Jay – “UPDATE: Fresh numbers out of Rasmussen:

Obama 49 percent
Romney 39 percent.

Yes, Rasmussen.”

Yeah, but you know what a bunch of “Lefties” they are.

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above" 12%!)

February 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm

Jay@12:55

Was that a head to head question? So 12% don’t want either?

jm

February 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
12:58 pm

See how easy it is to disarm a crazy? ;)

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Thanks, Normal. Been missing the morning dose.

BTW – appropriate that followed Jay’s Rasmussen poll update.

Excuse me.

“So-called poll.”

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm

“UPDATE: Fresh numbers out of Rasmussen”

Jay, do you know how Reagan was tracking versus Carter in the month leading up to the election? Moral: sometimes polls are only a banana.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
12:59 pm

Midori

He’s creeping up on one of these now.

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129164952429291808.jpg

He’s beyond the basic facepalm stage.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm

jm – “for the cons since libs don’t read”

Apparently the libs don’t have to. The cons need all the help they can get, because Jay and the media have an undue influence on their decision making. Of course, I’m only going by what chuck HUSSEIN said.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:00 pm

Towncrier – which is the banana, Gallup or Rasmussen?

Jay

February 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm

So Crier, your theory is Mitt Romney=Ronald Reagan?

Interesting. We’ll see how that one plays out….

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:01 pm

Somebody needs to give JOSE some decaf…

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Jay – “So Crier, your theory is Mitt Romney=Ronald Reagan?”

He could be, just give him a couple hours to re-invent himself. :)

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

“Why bother when you can pass the real deal with appropriations bills instead of just “plans” like budget bills? ”

Yeah, budgets are for ninnies. Who in the sane fiscal world makes use of them, anyway?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
1:02 pm

Is Rick Santorum suffering for his faith? One of his advisers suggested to the Washington Examiner’s Byron York that he is, and that Mitt Romney is getting absolution. “Why is Mormonism off limits?” York quotes the adviser as asking. “We’re having to spend days answering questions about Rick’s faith, which he has been open about. Romney will turn on a dime when you talk about religion. We’re getting asked about specific tenets of Rick’s faith, and when Romney says, ‘I want to focus on the economy,’ [the press says,] ‘OK, we’ll focus on the economy.’ “

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2012/02/rick_santorum_s_faith_his_campaign_thinks_he_is_being_attacked_because_of_his_conservative_religious_views_.html

Can we find a bigger whiner?

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm

Jay, apparently Obama agrees with your enthusiasm. He just told a crowd he will get immigration “done” as he has 5 more years coming up. I’m sure he meant 4 and a piece, but why not give him a break on the math as we did the number of states.

RF

February 23rd, 2012
1:05 pm

JOSE: one of the things budget reform has to address is the Bush tax cuts. That’s when the budget deficit really began to show. Spending was increased as revenues were decreased. That’s like giving me a paycut and telling me to buy a bigger house. Until we do away with that, cutting spending alone will never balance the budget. When the Dems had control of both houses, they couldn’t get it done. Too many influential rich folks paying both sides to keep those tax cuts.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:06 pm

Yeah, budgets are for ninnies. Who in the sane fiscal world makes use of them, anyway?

What you spend is what you appropriate. Congress’ role is to appropriate. They passed appropriations bills. What’s the big hang-up over one legislative body passing a budget they’ll ignore when it comes to appropriations time?

Oh, that’s right, someone else told you it was important. They didn’t tell me. :)

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm

Yeah, budgets are for ninnies. Who in the sane fiscal world makes use of them, anyway?

Nobody. Budget bills are for nothing beyond political Kabuki theater. The actual federal budget is dealt with in appropriation bills. Those are far more important than voting on a budget bill. You don’t need to pass a budget bill, but without passing appropriation bills, the government shuts down. That’s why the government is still functioning at this moment, even though “the Dem conrolled Senate has not passed a budget bill in x-number of days”, or whatever the talking point says.

Midori

February 23rd, 2012
1:07 pm

Bro,

a “peekaboo” facepalm???

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thulsa Doom goes nonpartisan- but only for a minute

February 23rd, 2012
1:08 pm

“But I’ll take that over plastering a post with smiley faces any time.”

Speaking of faces here is one that is hilarious and if anyone hasn’t seen it yet this kid has been making the rounds on the late night shows and is now a youtube sensation. Damn this is funny!

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/02/alabama_face_kid_spotted_at_kn.html

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm

“So Crier, your theory is Mitt Romney=Ronald Reagan?”

No. Just a friendly reminder to you that polls are volatile and not all that meaningful until a few days before an election. Do I need to show you polls in that past year that have Obama up at some points and down at others? One would hope that the the American electorate – Democratic and Republican – would exhibit more steadiness, but I guess many pick their candidates the same way the might buy a product (ever wonder why commercials seldom sell a product on its merits but instead make appeals to the emotions?).

Thulsa Doom goes nonpartisan- but only for a minute

February 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm

Brocephus,

I’m matching your perpetually funny face palm today with the face kid from Alabama. Whaddaya think?

John Birch

February 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm

More smoke and mirrors from Jay. Jay what does the purple poll say about likely voters in those states when choosing between Obama and Romney, the only poll number that means anything at all? I bet they’re within a couple percent on that question.

Michael

February 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm

In a daring strategic initiative candidate Romney has filed the legal papers to change his first name to Not. If he can successfully refile this new name in the remaining primaries, he will immediately acheive front-runner status. In fact, this new candidate is expected to poll close to 60% in the remaining contests.

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
1:11 pm

Finn

Someone needs to tell Santorum’s advisor it’s because Romney doesn’t meet with conservative groups and go on and on and on about the moral dangers of alcohol and why tobacco is bad and why all families should have one night a week where they spend time together…….. and then say he wants a constitutional amendment to make sure all the heathens do the right thing.

‘course, maybe it has something to do with one of the principles of how LDS see themselves in relation to others:

“We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:11 pm

Budgets are important because they are intended to identify how much is coming in and to limit expenditures “within budget.” I’m sure you have heard that term. Only spindthrift Democrats want to operate without a budget, and we see what we get. Obama does not want a budget because it exposes physical incompetence and lessens his reelection chances.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:11 pm

Just a friendly reminder to you that polls are volatile and not all that meaningful until a few days before an election.

They are indeed. And just as it was a Herculean struggle for Carter to overcome his negative approval ratings, so it will be for Mitt.

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
1:11 pm

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm

I’m sure you have heard that term. Only spindthrift Democrats want to operate without a budget, and we see what we get.

Republican House passes same appropriations bill after passing fake budget bill that looks nothing like it. And that makes you happier about them, huh?

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:12 pm

Doom

I wonder if I could get away with a facepalm version of that behind home plate at the Braves games. :)

Erwin's cat

February 23rd, 2012
1:13 pm

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:14 pm

ByteMe – the House passes appropriations bills becasue they budget they passed and sent to the Senate is never brought to the floor by Harry. If the House did not pass appropriations, the government would shut down.

USinUK

February 23rd, 2012
1:14 pm

“So Crier, your theory is Mitt Romney=Ronald Reagan?”

criminey, he’s not even Ronald McDonald …

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Budgets are important because they are intended to identify how much is coming in and to limit expenditures “within budget.” I’m sure you have heard that term. Only spindthrift Democrats want to operate without a budget, and we see what we get.

If only spindthrift(?) Democrats want to operate without a budget, how do you explain the GOP controlled House passing appropriation bills that allowed the government to function beyond Oct 1st last year after Obama’s “Budget Bill” was not passed?

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:14 pm

Pats by 3

No fair, you peeked.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:14 pm

“Nobody. Budget bills are for nothing beyond political Kabuki theater. ”

Well, that is where you and I think differently. I kind of like to have a plan rather than fly by the seat of my pants. Don’t you think we’ve seen enough “pay as you go” from government at this point? Here’s something for you: “wisdom is proved right by her children”. Do you see any wisdom is a 15 trillion dollar deficit. You do know, corporations make use of budgets, don’t you?

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
1:15 pm

jm

Good article, however social security is not the problem. Medicare and medicaid, yes. So, what if we don’t fix social security but it can still fund 75% or more for the next 80 years, I’ll take that over nothing. That need not happen because with a few minor tweaks it can be brought back to complete solvency. Medicaid needs to be cut before medicare, I don’t know how to save medicare but I have been working on keeping in great health and a good diet. The rest is out of my control…

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:16 pm

ByteMe – the House passes appropriations bills becasue they budget they passed and sent to the Senate is never brought to the floor by Harry. If the House did not pass appropriations, the government would shut down.

Exactly our point. So how useful was that budget you’re harping about? It’s just nonsense.

Thulsa Doom goes nonpartisan- but only for a minute

February 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

Brocephus,

It would be awesome if you could. I would go to a print shop and see if they can make it. They would just have to really emphasize the lettering to make the figure stand out. That’s the only issue I see is getting the camera to pick it up. Otherwise that would be damn hilarious to see someone showing the facepalm placard after every Braves strikeout or when the opposition belts a homer.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.”

That doesn’t sound very christian to me. Very American, yes. But not very christian.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:17 pm

You do know, corporations make use of budgets, don’t you?

They make use of one at the lower levels, sort of like the way the DoE and DoD create them and make use of them. At the higher level, they set a target amount for sales and spending, but they don’t actually use a “budget” the way the Senate and House use one.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm

ByteMe – so you think budgets are nonsense. That tells all of us your significant other keeps the checkbook in your house.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm

ByteMe – so you think budgets are nonsense. That tells all of us your significant other keeps the checkbook in your house.

Again with reading comprehension issues, Johnny? You really need to work on that.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:18 pm

Towncrier – “Do you see any wisdom is a 15 trillion dollar deficit.”

I wouldn’t be too harsh. Afterall, these are some of the same people who saw the wisdom in letting banks make loans to people without jobs or income and figured that nothing could possibly go wrong with that. :)

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
1:19 pm

Hi Midori!!!!

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm

Towncrier

If a budget bill is proposed and never passed, such as the past two years, we still end up with a negotiated appropriations bill(s) to keep government going. That’s why I said the budget bill is nothing more than Kabuki. It would be nice to have a plan to follow, but do you really expect a concrete plan when both sides are so ideologically opposed that they can’t even raise the debt limit without causing problems for the country they all claim to be working in the best interest for?

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:20 pm

No, ByteMe, I passed the Regents test the first time. Of course, it was called Rising Junior when I took it.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:21 pm

Towncrier – “Do you see any wisdom is a 15 trillion dollar deficit.”

Perhaps you could have mentioned this back in 2001 when Bush went on his spending and tax-cutting spree. Oh, that’s right, he’s a Republican.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:21 pm

Doom

No words would be needed for a 6ft facepalm. I think most everybody would understand it.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:21 pm

“That doesn’t sound very christian to me. Very American, yes. But not very christian.”

You mean not very Jewish. Israel was a theocracy, Christendom is not (despite the efforts of groups like the Roman Catholic Church during the middle ages to make it so).

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
1:22 pm

Speaking of budgets and corporations. Aint it kinda funny that if a corporation were to run their books like the federal govt the execs could go to jail. But if Congress runs the books(and this is both parties mind you) the way they do and with everyone’s tax money then its no big deal that they bankrupt the nation.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

“Perhaps you could have mentioned this back in 2001 when Bush went on his spending and tax-cutting spree. Oh, that’s right, he’s a Republican.”

My friend, both parties are culpable. Finger pointing like children is not going to get us out of this hole we are in.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

“Oh, that’s right, he’s a Republican.” – And, like you said, 10 years ago. Good lord…talk about living in the past.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:23 pm

ByteMe – “Perhaps you could have mentioned this back in 2001 when Bush went on his spending and tax-cutting spree.”

But homeownership was up and everybody got to re-fi at least 20 times in order to buy a boat and 3 vacation homes. Why must you always bash Bush? ;)

Paul

February 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm

Finn

“That doesn’t sound very christian to me. ”

Whatever would Gandhi think?!!?

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
1:24 pm

“You do know, corporations make use of budgets, don’t you?”

They also vote…..funny story how i saw the Caterpillar building trying to fit in a voting booth…………

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

My friend, both parties are culpable. Finger pointing like children is not going to get us out of this hole we are in.

You admit that now, but you were using it to bludgeon Obama just moments before.

The question is: over the past 30+ years, which party has done a better job getting the deficit under control? The answer is: when both parties work together toward the goal.

carlosgvv

February 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

Towncrier – 12:56

This is not a classroom and I am not your professor. If you can’t understand my posts, maybe what’s lacking, on your part, is maturity, intelligence and education. I would suggest you finish high school, get at least some college and then come back here to post.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:25 pm

“It would be nice to have a plan to follow, but do you really expect a concrete plan when both sides are so ideologically opposed that they can’t even raise the debt limit without causing problems for the country they all claim to be working in the best interest for?”

At this point, as dire as things are, yes I do expect that. And if enough of us did, then it would happen. The time for childish games is over.

RF

February 23rd, 2012
1:26 pm

““So Crier, your theory is Mitt Romney=Ronald Reagan?”

criminey, he’s not even Ronald McDonald …”

Nope, he’s really the Hamburglar

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

So, I guess we can not count on some here to back a balanced budget Amendment, not even one that ties spending to a percentage of GDP? Your economic plan is no budget and beat every penny out of the rich until the system collapses. What will you do then?

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

Steve, re your 12:48.

I remember that when the neo-cons got absolutely decimated in those back to back elections of 2006 and 2008. Almost to a man they said the reasons were because 1) they weren’t “conservative” enough and 2) they didn’t do a good job of “getting their message out”.

Remember this was back in the good old days when 100% of them swore that George Bush was a TRUE conservative of the highest caliber. It has subsequently dropped to about 97%.

As for getting their message out, that is usually what kills them with about 80% of the populace!

Mr_B

February 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

“So Crier, your theory is Mitt Romney=Ronald Reagan?

Interesting. We’ll see how that one plays out….”

Jay: I think you may be old enough to know that even Reagan wasn’t really Reagan. Just a B-movie actor playing president for eight years. And certainly not the savior of the universe that today’s right believes he was.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

Aint it kinda funny that if a corporation were to run their books like the federal govt the execs could go to jail. But if Congress runs the books(and this is both parties mind you) the way they do and with everyone’s tax money then its no big deal that they bankrupt the nation.

It’s funny until you realize that they are nowhere near the same. Think of the howls that the government would generate if they taxed people enough to generate a profit. Corporations budget to return a profit. Governments budget to continue to exist.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

“I would suggest you finish high school, get at least some college and then come back here to post.”

I have a Masters degree. So Can you recommend something else to help me acquire “maturity” and “intelligence”? I so much want to be like you.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm

So, I guess we can not count on some here to back a balanced budget Amendment, not even one that ties spending to a percentage of GDP?

No, because it’s a stupid idea. Just like corporations will spend more than they take in when times are tough, the government needs to do the same if only to backstop the states.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm

Brocephus,

No words needed. I totally agree. I’m just wondering if the figure would be able to be made out is all. I’m thinking it would. Especially if its a dang 6 foot placard but I think the braves organization has a limit on the size of placards you can bring in. What I was talking about is making the little symbols that make up the facepalm a little bigger and bolder so that the whole figure shows up as being easy to see on tv.

Good grief. If I’m sitting at home one day drinking beer and eating peanuts or popcorn watching the braves game and I see you on tv with the facepalm I’m liable to either choke to death on peanuts/corn or spit beer all over my floor.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:28 pm

JohnnyReb – “Your economic plan is no budget and beat every penny out of the rich until the system collapses. What will you do then?”

Move to Switzerland for free healthcare until I die.

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:29 pm

Move to Switzerland for free healthcare until I die.

it’s not free there. You do have to pay for it wherever you go.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

Towncrier

As optimistic as I like to be, I have lost confidence in the members of the two major parties to do anything beyond continuing to screw things up as much as possible. I can scream until I’m blue in the face. However, as long as you have people who subsist on a diet of rhetoric and bumper sticker talk, nothing in this country will change. If losing thousands of servicemembers can’t unite this country, nothing will.

RF

February 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

“The question is: over the past 30+ years, which party has done a better job getting the deficit under control?”

Actually, if you look at the numbers, since 1980, Republicans have cried out about spending, taxes, deficits, etc. while increasing spending and taxes. The only Dem since 1980 was also the only president who actually balanced the budget. Coincidence…perhaps not.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

“I think you may be old enough to know that even Reagan wasn’t really Reagan. Just a B-movie actor playing president for eight years.”

Who also happened to be governor of California before that. Granted, though, that is hardly preferable to having been a community organizer and state senator.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
1:30 pm

Where is Romney today? Wherever he is, I sure hope the trees are all the right size….

ByteMe

February 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm

Ok, off to get a late lunch. Back for the next sheet unless something better comes along.

I hope that something better comes along….

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm

ByteMe – “it’s not free there. You do have to pay for it wherever you go.”

WHAT? Damn, now what am I going to do after I get done beating every penny out of the rich?

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm

Butch – doesn’t Switzerland restrict who can live as immigrants? I believe they do. You might want to watch the political rhetoric so they don’t reject you (smiley face here).

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm

reb

If I recall, the dems tried to get a balanced budget amendment passed when the repubs controlled congress – they said no also. The party out of power always sings a different tune…

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
1:31 pm

Bro,

Corps and govt budgets are indeed not the same. At all. I’m just making the point about the glaring lack of accountability of the pols who are systematically bankrupting the nation. Then again whose fault is that? We have seen the enemy. And he is us.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm

criminey, he’s not even Ronald McDonald …”

Too funny.

And when is the last time that ANY corporate executive went to jail???

Even in the midst of a massive, decades long corporate crime wave, they all apparently have diplomatic immunity!

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm

RF – “The only Dem since 1980 was also the only president who actually balanced the budget. Coincidence…perhaps not.”

He was also the only president since then to get a little side action in the Oval office. Coincidence….perhaps not. ;)

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:32 pm

Doom

All you’d have to do is make it be able to fold down. As long as the people around you don’t mind, I don’t think it would cause too much of a problem. Another option would be to use the cards in the stands like they do at football games. Give everybody in the section a signal to hold them up to make a section sized facepalm pic. :)

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm

JohnnyReb – “Butch – doesn’t Switzerland restrict who can live as immigrants? I believe they do. You might want to watch the political rhetoric so they don’t reject you (smiley face here).”

Not to worry, my family came from Switzerland. All I have to do is crash with the relatives. :)

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
1:33 pm

Towncrier — “I have a Masters degree. So Can you recommend something else to help me acquire “maturity” and “intelligence”? I so much want to be like you.”

How about a little “humility,” as you seem to be just as given to insulting other posters?

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm

“You admit that now, but you were using it to bludgeon Obama just moments before.”

I was? Where?

“The question is: over the past 30+ years, which party has done a better job getting the deficit under control? The answer is: when both parties work together toward the goal.”

Agreed.

Recon 0311 2533

February 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm

Current Gallup: Obama 46 Romney 50 Obama 49 Santorum 48

And that’s Gallup.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:34 pm

“How about a little “humility,” as you seem to be just as given to insulting other posters?”

Physician, heal thyself.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
1:35 pm

Mick – you may be right on Repubs previously not supporting a balanced budget amendment. The whole game has changed, they would support now or not be reelected. Brings to mind Nancy’s Pay As You Go policy that lasted about a week.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:35 pm

Towncrier – that’s absolutely, unequivocally, not true. There can be no doubt (of any kind) that the Democrats have been better stewards of the economy than have Regresives, notwithstanding the Faux News narrative that’s forced down the gullet of your average, clueless, ignorant, uneducated American on a daily basis.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:36 pm

I’m just making the point about the glaring lack of accountability of the pols who are systematically bankrupting the nation. Then again whose fault is that? We have seen the enemy. And he is us.

No argument from me on that one. You know I believe that jackassery knows no political party. Until we quit sending jackasses to DC, we should not expect different results. We have a historical average of re-electing people around 85%. Why would anybody expect things to change as long as the same people are making the decisions?

Midori

February 23rd, 2012
1:36 pm

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

Bro – “Why would anybody expect things to change as long as the same people are making the decisions?”

Tradition mostly. ;)

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
1:37 pm

ByteMe- over the past 30+ years, which party has done a better job getting the deficit under control?

The Republicans with Newt in charge of the House and Clinton in charge of chasing interns around the oval office.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

“And certainly not the savior of the universe that today’s right believes he was.”

Mr_B,

Forgot that he was governor of the nation’s largest state for 8 years did you?

Facts are facts sir. Reagan presided over stunning economic growth including 1.1 million jobs created in one month alone, 16 million net new jobs, and 21 million new jobs from the low point of the 81-82 recession. Facts don’t count much in your world do they?

Mr_B

February 23rd, 2012
1:38 pm

Crier: Not to mention editor of the Harvard Law Review and a professor of Constitutional Law.

Actually, the only real qualifications for being POTUS is being POTUS, and we won’t allow anybody to do that more than once.

My point (and I remember Reagen’s presidency well) was that Reagan’s reputation among today’s right wing do not corespond with his accomplishments as President.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:40 pm

“There can be no doubt (of any kind) that the Democrats have been better stewards of the economy than have Regresives…”

Really? What planet am I living one then? Is your sardonic misnomer for the Republican party the proof of your contention?

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
1:41 pm

Bro,

I’m with ya on all that. I think nepotism that we are now starting to see in political families, unlimited terms, a disconnect between Wash. and the rest of the country, and the revolving door of pols going to work as lobbyists has breeded a culture of corruption that transcends party politics. It would be nice if we could just start with term limits.

mm

February 23rd, 2012
1:42 pm

Fox News and Rushbo are racing to see who can drive the GOP over the cliff first. The extremism is wearing thin even on the moderate republicans.

F. Sinkwich

February 23rd, 2012
1:43 pm

The apology tour lives on in its fourth year:

“KABUL, Afghanistan — The Afghan president’s office says it has received a letter from President Barack Obama formally apologizing for the burning of Qurans at a U.S. military base in Afghanistan.”

What a wimp.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:45 pm

“Not to mention editor of the Harvard Law Review and a professor of Constitutional Law. ”

In the real world – especially in these hard times – a college degree and a couple of bucks will get you a cup of coffee. What employers look for mostly is experience. Executive experience is what Reagan, and not Obama, had in spades upon taking office. You summed up Reagan as a B movie actor. I responded in kind to make a point.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
1:46 pm

Towncrier — “Physician, heal thyself.”

Right back at you.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:47 pm

Towncrier – first, GWB has degrees from both Harvard and Yale, and look at where that got us; second, you need look no further than employment figures, GDP growth, debt and deficits over the past 100 or so years for proof of my contention; third, there is nothing sardonic or misnomerical about the regressive label – the Regressive Party has well earned it.

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
1:47 pm

@ Butch; “Not according to chuck. Either the Republican voting base is so weak that their front runner can be brought down by a mere opinion piece by Jay or Santorum is. Either way, it can’t be good.”

Once again you display your ignorance of the electoral process. The propaganda machine will not have much impact on Republicans, but almost ALL of the remaining primary states have OPEN primaries. That means that you can be an independent or a dim, but choose to vote in the REPUBLICAN primary. Since most dims and many independents by nature are naive and wish-washy without deeply held convictions or values, they can easily be swayed by propaganda.

There…all clear now? What a maroon.

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
1:48 pm

-Move to Switzerland for free healthcare until I die

Heard yesterday that 12% of bankruptcies Americans declared last year were for medical reasons. That’s good considering all those free, socialized medicine loving Canadians declared 15% medical…

St Simons - codewords are the new black

February 23rd, 2012
1:48 pm

“…yahh, two in particular. If yah incumbent is ovah fitty (50) %, its ovah,
and if yah unfav-rables ah ovah 30, you can pack up & go home.”

-James Carville Jefferson, in character

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

F. SInkiewicz — “What a wimp.”

I guess the riots and dead American soldiers resulting therefrom were just ‘collateral damage’ from incinerating the trash, huh? After all, that’s where the Korans were found — in the burn pile.

Apologizing does not automatically equal “wimp.” Ask your wife to explain it to you.

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

RF
Clinton didnt balance the budget…….. it was the first Republican controlled Congress in over 40 years to balance it.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:49 pm

chuck – So you would agree with the following assertion, then, yes? “The lamestream [sic] media is in no way responsible for the sorry state of the Regressive Party and modern conservatism.”

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:50 pm

“Either way, the only thing you actually succed in doing here is to completely make a fool of yourself every time you post.”

I am sorry you feel that way. Posts that contain nothing but emotional outbursts without nary a thread of logic in them do really add to this little “marketplace of ideas.” That’s why I reacted sarcastically to a post of your initially. I don’t dislike you at all. I’m just trying to get you to up your game.

They BOTH suck

February 23rd, 2012
1:51 pm

“Clinton didnt balance the budget…….. it was the first Republican controlled Congress in over 40 years to balance it.”

If it was all about the Republicans; what happened when Bush had 6 yrs of many of the same Republicans controlling Congress?

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
1:51 pm

hear yee hear yee towncrier
spot on

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
1:51 pm

Barry is such a failure and yet people still think he’s a viable canidate. Wonder why? Do you know he has a half brother living in a mud hut on $1 a month, yet he does nothing to help him improve his situation. He claims I am my brothers keeper, yet any sane person can see he’s a liar. How many Marines are in GITMO right now? What is the REAL unemployment rate in this country? We went to war to help the Muslim Brotherhood gain control in Libya and he spouted praise at the revolution in Eygpt that stones Christians in the street. Those that support really hate this country or are too ignorant to see the truth is his policies and his failure as a man and a president.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
1:52 pm

Facts are facts sir. Reagan presided over stunning economic growth including 1.1 million jobs created in one month alone, 16 million net new jobs, and 21 million new jobs from the low point of the 81-82 recession.

Doom

I notice you keep going to Reagan’s number when comparing that recession to Obama’s. Two things make the world of difference, in my opinion, when trying to compare the two.

#1 Reagan dealt with a US recession that was felt domestically. Obama’s recession is one that was global in nature.

#2 During Reagan’s term, we were still a net exporter. We were able to export our way out of the recession creating manufacturing jobs because of worldwide demand for US products. Under Obama, we’re a net importer. We can only create limited jobs by importing things. Further, without demand here at home, we’re not going to create many jobs either.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
1:53 pm

“Clinton didnt balance the budget…….. it was the first Republican controlled Congress in over 40 years to balance it.”

Thank you.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:54 pm

Randalph, the Wraith – don’t forget that (i) he’s also not a ‘Merican, (ii) he is responsible for Elvis’ death and (iii) he was pharoah’s consigliere until the end of the 7th plague.

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
1:54 pm

They BOTH suck
When Newt and the fiscal conservatives left due to honor about term limits…….. the establishment Republicans proved that they over spend as well……. Bush was bad for that 2001-2006. But look what the Democrats did under Pelosi from 2007-2010……….. there is no comparison

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
1:54 pm

If by “regressive” you mean looking back to what made America great and then trying to get us BACK to those values, then you can apply the term to Republicans. Your assertion that the party is in a “sorry state” is ludicrous on its face since in the last election we gained in the Senate and retook control of the House. If however you meant that there are some party members in SORRY STATES like California it may have some validity.

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
1:55 pm

Yip you drank that Koolaid. Wake up and get a cup of coffee, if you are an American that is….

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm

Jose – the Democrats under Pelosi and before Obama didn’t do much except put a stop to Bush’s and the Regressive Party’s agenda; try not to forget that.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm

JKL2 – “and Clinton in charge of chasing interns around the oval office.”

Well, you know what they say…Happy President, Happy Country. Look what happened when we elected a tee totaler to the Whitehouse. The country almost went over the cliff. :)

They BOTH suck

February 23rd, 2012
1:56 pm

JOSE

Do not change the subject………….

If it was all Repubs in the 90s, you must have been livid about the CUTS in the military that the Repubs made?

It was they alone, right?

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm

Yip is delusional, not just a Kookaid drinker. His posts are comical!

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm

And that 12% of recently bankrupt Americans?

They’re the lucky ones.

They could have been among the tens of thousands of Americans who die needlessly every year because the profiteers in the deathhealth care business deem them not profitable enough.

But get a neo-con to try and fundamentally change this deadly travesty?

Puhleeze.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:58 pm

chcuk – humanity didn’t evolve by looking back at monkeys and trying to replicate them.

Randalph, the Wraith – I’m an African-American, actually. Koolaid was great; the coffee, not so much. Thanks.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
1:59 pm

Randalph – thank you, once again. I do try to be humorous; regressives seem to need it.

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
1:59 pm

So that’s why you love Barry? He’s a Halfrican-American.:-)

They BOTH suck

February 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm

JOSE

It was a two way street, just like it is a two way street on spending…… We can argue who is worse, etc…….. At the end of the day, cuts need to be made and some taxes will have to go up. Otherwise we can do what both Parties do, point the finger as we continue to falter

RF

February 23rd, 2012
2:01 pm

“He was also the only president since then to get a little side action in the Oval office. Coincidence….perhaps not.”

Butch: he’s just the only one who got caught. The rest had the decent sense to do it “off campus” LOL

I don’t care what the president does to get his jollies when he can actually pull off a budget balancing like Clinton did. The only reason they went after him was to get a republican elected in 2000 and stop the liberal growth that would have occurred if they hadn’t. The sex scandal was just a means to a political end.

They BOTH suck

February 23rd, 2012
2:02 pm

JOSE

I missed your laughable comment about Newt and honor…….. apologize for not commending you for the joke and replying with a serious rebuttle

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:02 pm

I long for the day that MLK longed for, when a man isn’t a black american, or a white american or a native american, but an American, and was judged not by the color of his skin or his religious believes, but for his actions and achievments.

In this world Barry would have no support from those of African descent, because they would see him for the failure that he really is. Think about that before you go off on my Yip…

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:02 pm

Randy – well, one of the things I love about him is the fact that he succeeded (spectacularly) in spite of both his skin color and his lineage, and in a land where, let’s be candid, people who look unlike Mittens don’t have all the advantages he has had; but that’s only the tip of my proverbial ‘loveberg’ for him.

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
2:03 pm

chuck – “There…all clear now? What a maroon.”

Chuck, I don’t vote. And once again, you’ve made an incorrect assumption about someone you know nothing about. I feel I must defer back to my original post about you until you prove me wrong. There….all clear now? What a maroon.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:04 pm

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
1:57 pm
Yip is delusional, not just a Kookaid drinker. His posts are comical!

Randolph,

I must be well ahead of the curve. I found out the same 3-4 pages ago.

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
2:05 pm

They Both suck
we are in agreement…….. a third party is needed…..i just have a huge disdain for the Democrats since they pushed me out of the party years ago……….. yes i was raised in a southern democratic family and drank the koolaid………. then i started thinking for myself…….. i am a fiscal conservative but cannot be a republican……. i disagree with them as well……..

mm

February 23rd, 2012
2:05 pm

Chuck,

“Since most dims and many independents by nature are naive and wish-washy without deeply held convictions or values, they can easily be swayed by propaganda.”

With all due respect, you are a moron.

Sincerely,

An independantly wealthy independant.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:05 pm

Randolph the Bushbot Meat,

To state what is so obvious that a slow ninth grader could figure it out on his own:

You voted for George W. Bush twice – arguably the worst president in modern American history.

A true failure by virtually every metric, measurement and poll that I have ever seen and the amount of data to substantiate that claim is mountainous.

And yet YOU think YOU are able to correctly assess presidential failures?

Too funny…

But my long-standing and never accepted offer still stands.

You make your case about Barry and I’ll make mine about George of the Bungle.

And to use a football analogy, it will be over before the first quarter ends…

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:06 pm

Thusla, I hear ya!

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
2:07 pm

Brosephus- Give everybody in the section a signal to hold them up to make a section sized facepalm pic.

Maybe you could do something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7Y_AkT7PEM

Also made famous by Harvard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kai4FL0MQ

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
2:07 pm

yip
Pelosi presided over the greatest 4 year deficit spending in the history of the world……….. proving that Democrats passed fuzzy math with a P for pass instead of a D since it may hurt their self esteem

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:08 pm

Thulsa, Randy – I fully expected that when facts and logic escaped you, ad hominem attacks would be next. 100% true to character. Congratulations to you both. As with the other nimrod, may the safety net we have created cushion your (respective) inevitable falls.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm

I long for the day that MLK longed for, when a man isn’t a black american, or a white american or a native american, but an American, and was judged not by the color of his skin or his religious believes, but for his actions and achievments.

In this world Barry would have no support from those of African descent, because they would see him for the failure that he really is. Think about that before you go off on my Yip…

Wrong each and every one of the three times that posted. People of African descent have always followed the more liberal politicians regardless of their party. When the Republican party had a sizeable liberal group, Americans of African descent participated in the GOP and won elections right after the Civil War. As the more liberal Republicans were ran away, the Americans of African descent simply followed them to the Democratic Party. In the same manner, the more Conservative Democrats withdrew from their party and migrated to the GOP when more and more Americans of African descent moved into the Democratic Party.

That’s why we have two parties, today, that are more ideologically separated and are nowhere near as diverse as they were a century ago. That’s also why you won’t see such diversity in either party again.

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm

Amvet, you are such a baiter! You are the one acting like the slow 9th grader, no Presdent is worse than the current Spendocratic President, though Jimmy comes in a close 2nd. Failure is failure and should be evident by any reasonably intelligent person.

They BOTH suck

February 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm

Jose

I’m center-left on many issues, but not all. I have no grand delusions that the Democratic Party is anything special. I never vote a straight ticket, however I must say that Republicans with their “social issues” scare me more than Democrats with their agenda and spending.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:09 pm

Jose – at least they passed; regressives get an F, no matter the grading system.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:10 pm

Randy – you really ought to have a little more respect for those among us who put their lives on the line to save us all, irrespective of political stripe or gray matter deficiency.

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
2:10 pm

Butch, if you don’t vote, perhaps you should just shut up and let the grown-ups discuss the issues.

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
2:12 pm

mm…it’s called hyperbole. Look it up.

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:13 pm

Yip, I am a retired Infantryman, I paid MY dues,no disrespect for your service.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
2:14 pm

Democrats on the House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee held a special hearing Thursday morning in response to the GOP’s decision to prevent women from testifying in support of an Obama administration rule requiring employers to provide birth control without additional cost sharing. The committee invited just one witness, Sandra Fluke, the third year Georgetown Law student, who House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) dismissed as an “energized” “college student” who was not “appropriate and qualified” to testify before his committee.

Democrats received over 300,000 requests for women to testify on the issue, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said during today’s hearing, and the GOP’s male-only contraception hearing was widely spoofed in the press and on late-night comedy shows. Fluke herself responded to Issa’s snub in jest, noting, “Well, I will confirm that I was energized, yes” she said to laughter from the committee, “as you can see from the reaction behind me, many women in this country are energized about this issue.” “I’m an American woman who uses contraception, so let’s start right there. That makes me qualified to talk to my elected officials about my health care needs,” she added.

Law student kicking some Issa arse!

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:14 pm

“in spite of both his skin color and his lineage,”

Its ironical when someone can’t figure out while playing the race card that Obama was elected in nation almost 3/4 white- but yet just can’t resist putting in “in spite of his skin color and lineage”.

And lets not forget that Obama went to an elite private academy in Hawaii and then went to elite colleges and universities. Considering that he won’t release his undergrad grade transcripts from Occidental college before he was accepted at prestigious Columbia university one has to wonder. Was Obama accepted at Columbia and then at Harvard “in spite of his race and lineage”? Or was he accepted at both “because of his race and lineage”? Its a fair question that perhaps the release of his transcripts could answer for all of us-that nagging in spite of race or because of race question. Sure would suck though if folks like yip yap would lose their race crutch when talking about Obama succeeding “in spite of”.

mm

February 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm

“Pelosi presided over the greatest 4 year deficit spending in the history of the world……….. proving that Democrats passed fuzzy math with a P for pass instead of a D since it may hurt their self esteem”

Let’s see, Obama spent almost a trillion on the stimulus. Where did the other 4 trillion in deficit come from?

Continued Bush tax cuts.
Continued Bush war in Iraq.
Continued Bush war in Afghanistan.
Continued Bush Medicare Part D.

Yes, those total about a trillion a year if not more.

Obama continued the republican party’s insane programs because he did not have the votes to stop them. Go look in the mirror and punch yourself a few times for blaming others for your parties failures.

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm

JKL

OMG!!!! I knew about the Harvard-Yale one, but not the Davidson one. My stomach is hurting from laughing so hard. :lol:

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
2:15 pm

AmVet once again posts an outrageously false statement with NOTHING to back it up. What a surprise!

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
2:16 pm

chuck – “Butch, if you don’t vote, perhaps you should just shut up and let the grown-ups discuss the issues.”

Actually, by not voting it allows me to look at both sides of the issue rather than blindly follow the party line (which I did faithfully for the GOP for 20 years). Don’t feel bad, one day you will evolve and realize that polititicians are the same no matter which party they belong to. Until then, Baaaaa……

Talking Head

February 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

I suspect some of the Romney unfavorability comes with many voters liking another GOP candidate instead. Let’s say Romney wins the nomination of the GOP, I’ve got a hunch these favorability ratings in swing states will produce higher ratings for Romney compared to this poll, and higher ratings than Obama.

(5, $5, $5 gasoline)

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

Thusla, you can’t talk about affirmative action, thats like rubbing a raw nerve….

RF

February 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

“Since most dims and many independents by nature are naive and wish-washy without deeply held convictions or values, they can easily be swayed by propaganda.”

So, if I listen to Rush, Neal, and the ever-popular Karl Rove, I’ll suddenly be illuminated by the truth and have my ignorance cured? ROFL Yeah, let’s talk about propaganda. It’s being published, broadcast, and spewed forth as “fair and balanced”. OMG I gotta stop- my sides are hurting!!

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

Randolph the Bushbot, that you are too cowardly to even try says everything there is to know about you.

As if your name of the day doesn’t!

But it is your best move. The same one that every single neo-con that I’ve challenged here before you.has played.

Speaking of cowards, what a damn shame that Dick “Blood & Guts” Cheney, won’t run.

Now THAT would be a helluva good time.

The only man in the history of the republic who could make the repulsive Spiro Agnew look good in comparison…

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

Randy – I didn’t serve, I was referring to AmVet; regarding your service, thank you – you have my respect, in spite of our differences.

Thulsa – first, I wasn’t playing the race card; second, it is “ironic” and not “ironical.” It isn’t ironical [sic] that you made that mistake. Lest you feel compelled to respond, your second paragraph read to me thus: “And … blah blah blah … words words words … blah blah blah.” Cheers.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:17 pm

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:08 pm
Thulsa, Randy – I fully expected that when facts and logic escaped you

Yip yap,

I don’t think you would know a fact or understand logic if either were able to take material form and rear up and bite you in the butt.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:20 pm

Thulsa – your man Rick knows a thing or two about butts.

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:22 pm

AMVET, you know who I am and I havn’t posted here for many a moon. Jay loves to ban me and will soon enough I am sure. A voice of reason is often suppressed.

Yip,

AMVET is a disrespectful jerk, I don’t care what he did….

JOSE

February 23rd, 2012
2:22 pm

YIP
you obviously went to the same fuzzy math class as the DEMOCRAPS………….. REPUGNANTS at least balanced a budget and has some surpluses for a few years………. they get a C……….

mm

February 23rd, 2012
2:22 pm

With each passing day, the cons are getting angrier and more desperate as their stellar group of pandering misfits sinks in the polls.

St Simons - codewords are the new black

February 23rd, 2012
2:23 pm

Shwinggg!! States Just Don’t Like Rmoney

well, duh

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:23 pm

Yip yap,

Actually ironical is a word. Used to be slang obviously and if you didn’t get it that I was being facetious to begin with by understanding that its a real world that used to be a very slang word than that’s just too bad that you can’t keep up.

Let me help educate you and for free. The English language is constantly evolving as is any language. You stand corrected.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ironical
i·ron·i·cal
   [ahy-ron-i-kuhl] Show IPA

adjective
1.
pertaining to, of the nature of, exhibiting, or characterized by irony or mockery: an ironical compliment; an ironical smile.

2.
using or prone to irony: an ironical speaker.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:23 pm

Yip, that some Bushbot who has to hide behind innumerable monikers, served or not, is of no importance to me…

If the boy would keep the same name for more than an hour, I would be impressed…

(It’s called having zero belief in your own convictions.)

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:23 pm

mm, at least you still have Barry…

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
2:24 pm

mm – “An independantly wealthy independant.”

Don’t beat up on chuck to much. I’m sure he’s a good little worker. Besides, it would take all the fun out of it for him if he really knew that I was a retired Wall Street broker, that was a card carrying member of the GOP for many years, and that I’m not even 50 yet. Oh well, let chuck keep living the dream, maybe he’ll chime in when his boss gives him his next break.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
2:26 pm

Am, funny how the banned stalkers just keep returning over and over again rather than moving on. Probably a reflection of their mental deranged state that got them banned in the first place….

Jay

February 23rd, 2012
2:28 pm

I’m aware of that Steve. On the other hand, Gallup is the only poll reporting results like that. Every other poll I’ve seen says the opposite.

And as we all know, the only one that really matters comes in November.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:29 pm

Randolph,

People need to get over their hypersensitivity and talk about these “uncomfortable truths” so that we can move on as a society. I notice that yip yap really doesn’t have much to say concerning the argument that Obama succeeded “in spite of color and lineage”. Suggesting that he succeeded “because of his color and lineage” looks like the much stronger argument considering the man won’t release his transcripts that enabled him to get into Columbia and Harvard Law. I don’t care much for Trump but the man was onto something when he brought this up. And I suspect even koolaid drinkers like yip yap know this given their deafening silence on the topic- and Obama’s.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:30 pm

Keep, and the fool thinks that I would bother to remember from one week to the next, the troll and sock puppet names he hides behind.

The poor guy is just misunderstood, that’s all. And if Jay had even a modicum of fairness in his body, he would never have banned such a wonderful contributor as this.

What a hoot…

I do remember a particularly odious character at Tucker’s who went by the name of Jose, thouugh…

chuck

February 23rd, 2012
2:31 pm

No RF, as you know, I don’t listen to any of them myself since I don’t leave work until they are off the air. BUT, you can’t possibly think that the policies being followed by our government right now are either sustainable OR successful. We are trying to bail out a sinking ship with a thimble.

@ Butch, the one who is WAY OFF on his assumptions is YOU. Unless you are a long time follower of this blog who has undergone a name change, you probably don’t know that I have MANY disagreements with the Republican Party AND with President Bush…but I do (NCLB and Medicare drug benefit to name just 2). As a mature CITIZEN however, I understand that hiding my head in the sand and abdicating responsibility for my country is not an option that a patriotic American would ever even consider. So I vote for the best candidate AVAILABLE. Do I sometimes have to hold my nose when I vote? SURE. Do I occasionally not vote for a candidate for a particular position if I find them morally objectionable? yep. BUT, would I ever consider the pansy way out that YOU have chosen? NOT A CHANCE.

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm

doom

Your focus is all warped; even if you can wrangle your way into columbia or harvard, you still have to succeed in those ivy league schools. Obama becoming president of the harvard law review is quite an acomplishment for anyone. The con in you just doesn’t want to hear that…

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm

Awww…isn’t that sweet…… if you don’t follow Doom Doom down his wabbit hole, he must be Sheen Winning and unable to understand logic. Birthers (and those who deny the birthers but really are birthers hiding under a rock). :roll:

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
2:33 pm

Am, agreed. Just more cussywop.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:35 pm

Regarding Barry’s success, I agree.

Let’s look at his record.

A high school drop out with a long rap sheet. In and out of trouble with the law his entire life.

Never went to college and impregnated dozens of women and left them all.

Lived own welfare and food stamps for years.

Poorly written and spoken and utterly lacking in decorum and civility.

No wonder all of those blacks and misguided white liberals voted for him, huh?

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
2:35 pm

Mick, Doomy does not understand much about the HLR.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:35 pm

Thulsa – explain this to me, please: the english language can evolve, but was a nation can’t? How come you are a progressive when it comes to language and a regressive when it comes to most everything else? Consistency is important, yet you display none. Talk about convictions.

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
2:37 pm

Randalph, the Wraith

February 23rd, 2012
2:33 pm
sHAM VET, ……………that’s all I have to say…just that…

Wow, just wow….

RF

February 23rd, 2012
2:37 pm

Thulsa: the semantics of “in spite of” or “because of” really don’t matter any more than his college grades from twetny-something years ago. I never read, or cared to read, GWB’s, Clinton’s, or any other president’s college grades. What people like you cannot accept is that a clear majority of voters put the man in office. After nearly four years, so many just can’t let anything go. What difference do college transcripts make?

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
2:38 pm

AmVet – Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:35 pm

:D

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:39 pm

“if he really knew that I was a retired Wall Street broker”

Butch Cassidy,

A #@x!$ 1%er! Off with your head Butch!

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
2:42 pm

chuck – “BUT, would I ever consider the pansy way out that YOU have chosen? NOT A CHANCE.”

Oh no, I’ve been called a pansy on an anonymous blog. How will I ever recover? As to my decision not to vote, I will gladly get back in the game when a candidate presents him or herself that I feel would be worthy of consideration. Unfortunately, I’m still waiting. Unlike you, if the options are a kick in the balls or a kick in the head, I’ll always choose neither. Thanks for your concern though.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm

Normal, no worries!

Jesus may love him, but everyone else thinks he’s an _______.

Ronald Reagan is not the answer to the problem. Ronald Reagan is the problem. ~Thomas Jefferson

RF

February 23rd, 2012
2:44 pm

“We are trying to bail out a sinking ship with a thimble.” Amen to that! But throwing the second and third class passengers overboard to reduce ballast isn’t going to save it either, which is what Romney would essentially do. He’d rather have riots in the streets and looting than try to come up with something that helps us all. I guess he plans on stuffing the hole in the ship with all the money his corporate buddies will make from his tax plan.

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
2:45 pm

Butch Cassidy

February 23rd, 2012
2:45 pm

Thulsa Doom – “A #@x!$ 1%er! Off with your head Butch!”

I know, ironic isn’t it. I’m basically a Republicans wet dream, yet I choose not to affiliate with either party. Sometimes, I just like wartching the party faithful squirm when they realize I’m not going to play on their team. LOL

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
2:46 pm

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:47 pm

“What people like you cannot accept is that a clear majority of voters put the man in office.”

RF,

Nope. I can accept it just fine. The people voted. Obama won and now we just have to suffer through it. It is what it is.

“After nearly four years, so many just can’t let anything go. What difference do college transcripts make?”

RF the issue is this. If someone like yip yap is going to racebait and come off with completely BS statements like Obama succeeded “in spite of his race” then I’m going to call his ass out on it and show that Obama quite possibly benefitted extraordinarily “because of his race”. I say this because the man got into prestigious schools like Columbia and Harvard Law but won’t release his transcripts from Occidental. Why? Its a fair question. If you’re going to ask Mitt to release his taxes, medical records, etc. then what in the hell is the big deal about releasing some college transcripts? Ya’ll afraid of the truth? And don’t try bringing up the ridiculous birther issue. It has nothing to do with this and trying to reframe the argument by bringing up that nonsense doesn’t change the central point of what I’m asking.

And for the record RF I generally support affirmative action but like all govt programs I think it goes too far sometimes and ends up being a case of reverse discrimination.

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
2:50 pm

keep

Although doomy sometimes can frame an argument fairly logically, he really likes to gloss over the important minutia of the details…just sayin…

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:50 pm

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — Five years after the housing bubble burst, America’s wealthiest families are now losing their homes to foreclosure at a faster rate than the rest of the country — and many of them are doing so voluntarily.

Over 36,000 homes valued at $1 million or more were foreclosed on — or at least served with a notice of default — in 2011, according to data compiled by RealtyTrac, which tracks foreclosures. While that’s less than 2% of all foreclosures nationwide, it represents a much bigger share of foreclosure activity than in previous years.

Out of all foreclosure activity, the share of foreclosures on properties valued at $1 million or more has risen by 115% since 2007 while the share of multi-million dollar foreclosures — or homes valued at more than $2 million — jumped by 273%.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/23/real_estate/million_dollar_foreclosures/index.htm?hpt=hp_t3

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm

President’s Speech = Republicans worst nightmare.

OWNED. Anyone who tells you we can drill our way out of this problem DOESn’T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

OWNED, cons!

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm

Butch Cassidy,

Look on the bright side. It could be much worse and instead of being just a successful liberal or independent you could be deemed a “limousine liberal” like an Al Gore or Ted Turner.

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
2:52 pm

AmVet- They could have been among the tens of thousands of Americans who die needlessly every year because the profiteers in the deathhealth care business deem them not profitable enough.

Obamacare says,”What?” Bring on the death panels (and the 157 other agencies it creates)

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm

jkl2

Death panels? We already have that with our current health care system, when are they gonna get you?

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm

I almost forgot, has anybody looked closely at the last 12 years of tax returns that Flip Romney recently released?

And was his effective tax rate in the single digits for all of them?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm

“The American people aren’t stupid. They know that’s not a plan”
referring to the RepubliCONs’ 30 year old, 3 step plan of 1) Drill 2) Drill 3) Drill.

You guys have no idea what you’re talking about when you suggest that as a solution. NONE.

332 more days

February 23rd, 2012
2:55 pm

AmVet – Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
1:27 pm

Steve, re your 12:48.

I remember that when the neo-cons got absolutely decimated in those back to back elections of 2006 and 2008
I stopped reading there……….Amvet, you have a terrible disposition, you hate everything (other than music, you little wanta be DJ). Why all the hate? You spew nothing but hate rhetoric about the REPUBLICANS (just so you know how to spell it correctly) and you never come out in support of the other side. I think you have even said you wouldn’t and didn’t vote for Obama. Which is it, or are you one of those now popular “independents”? While your vocabulary is sufficient, the brains behind it are missing.
I bet you are one, when a negative ad comes on TV for either party, you love it, after all, that is what this blog is about
Now before some smart ass comes back (Kammy) and says “if you don’t like it, leave and don’t read it”, I will not leave, but you can. I enjoy reading the post on here, we all need a little humor in our lifes, especially you.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm

Keep Up–Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm
Awww…isn’t that sweet…… if you don’t follow Doom Doom down his wabbit hole,

And yet my Doom obsessed cyber stalker voluntarily follows me down that wabbit hole ever single day. The obsession continues…

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm

Oh, and btw, not a SINGLE time did Obama blame Bush for ANYTHING in that speech. So suck it, false prophets.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
2:57 pm

Its a fair question. If you’re going to ask Mitt to release his taxes, medical records, etc. then what in the hell is the big deal about releasing some college transcripts?

You keep trying to claim its a fair question but then you go and compare apples and oranges and grapefruits. If it is a “fair question”, then why do you continue to fail to explain its relevance to today. I am sure asking about his records in pre-K would be a “fair question” if you decide in advance that its a “fair question” but you really have not made a case for anything nor is professing your “support” for affirmative action adding to the case as to why it is a “fair question”

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
2:58 pm

Thulsa – I seem to have struck a nerve in you. Let me be clear: President Obama has succeeded in spite of overwhelming odds against him. That you fail to see that is not in the least bit surprising, given who and what you have revealed yourself to be.

332 more days

February 23rd, 2012
2:59 pm

Kinda harsh, when you have to defend your man for not saying it was Bush’s fault, but again that has to be a first, if indeed he didn’t.

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
3:00 pm

doom

**given who and what you have revealed yourself to be.**

Just exactly who are you thulsa doom? Enquiring minds need to know…

Zedd

February 23rd, 2012
3:02 pm

Jack

February 23rd, 2012
3:02 pm

Liberal philosophy is ruining this country by trying to insure that I pay for someone else’s failure. Obama is repeating the liberal mantra over and over and will get all the votes of failures.

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
3:03 pm

jack

Your way off with that pitiful assessment…

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
3:03 pm

2, you intentionally missed the summation of that point, didn’t you?

Improve healthcare in this country? We don’t need no stinking improvements to healthcare in this country!

The REST of the civilized world is wrong!

But our deadly, bungling, hyper-bureaucratic clusterf&ck is a real work of art, huh?

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:04 pm

332 more days – I think you should change your handle to “1793 more days.” However, since that is the date on which Hillary is going to be sworn in, you may need to add another 1460 days to that number. But then consider that a Democrat is likely to follow her, and you can add yet another 1460 days. It’s going to get too complicated for you to figure it all out, so just stick with “1793 more days” for now. K?

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:06 pm

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
2:32 pm
doom

Your focus is all warped; even if you can wrangle your way into columbia or harvard, you still have to succeed in those ivy league schools

Mick,

I think you should study a little more and focus on that minutiae that you were speaking of. For example brush up on the lawsuit regarding the univ of Michigan law school case.

You still have to succeed in those schools but getting in is the key. And on the minor points you should brush up on the rampant grade inflation at ivy league schools including grade inflation for minorities perceived as needing a helping hand. I’ve submitted articles from 2 liberal publications for you to peruse.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2002/02/08/edtwof2.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/keyword/grade-inflation

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:06 pm

1793 more days: Kinda harsh, when you have to defend your man for not saying it was Bush’s fault, but again that has to be a first, if indeed he didn’t.

Incorrect. He hasn’t “blamed Bush” in months. He didn’t at the state of the union. He didn’t during his American Jobs Act speech. He didn’t anywhere in between. So, nice try, but no.

RF

February 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm

“Ya’ll afraid of the truth?”

thulsa- as I said, who cares what any president’s college grades were? Is that all the right has to snipe about? Pretty much every candidate releases tax returns. Those are recent records that shed some light on the person and his financial views. Those are relevant in tough economic times as we talk about fair taxation. I’m seriously not trying to bait you here, but I just don’t see why college grades matter. They wouldn’t show any useful information on the here-and-now. I don’t know why he won’t release them and I don’t care one way or the other. I honestly don’t think most people care. They care about tax returns so those are more in demand. And to be honest, I have serious doubts about affirmative action these days. It’s needed in some respects, but I do think there are times when it inadvertently creates unfair situations and I suspect will be redefined in the near future. At this point, does it really matter whether the president succeeded because of or in spite of his race? If I had been you, I think I would have tried to avoid that debate. It’s kind of a “tomato, to-mah-toe” debate, IMO. Bait like that is only successful if we take it.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm

Mick – this is ‘Merica; dont’ you mean “inquire”? Your handle suggests you might be a Wallaby, in which event you would be forgiven (but not for the sheep thing – don’t want you to read too much into it).

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm

Doom: Obama has outsmarted your best leaders at nearly every turn, and you’re trying to imply he’s not smart?

Zedd

February 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
3:08 pm

Obamacare says,”What?” Bring on the death panels (and the 157 other agencies it creates)

Yep, just another instance of Obama giving the Right more of what they’ve already done. He borrowed from Romney to get the ACA. He also borrowed from GW Bush on the death panels. Many don’t know that Bush put them into place in Texas long before Obama though about running for president.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/19/death-panels-exist-already/

The provision to which Mrs. Palin refers, Section 1233 of America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009, would allow Medicare to pay doctors to counsel or steer end-of-life decisions for a patient every five years or more often “if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual” or an admission to a nursing home or long-term care facility. Both the White House and some members of Congress dispute Mrs. Palin’s contention about how this language would play out, but based on what has happened in Texas, Americans should heed her warning.

One of the drawbacks of trying to overhaul an industry as large and sweeping as health care on the short schedule demanded by the president is that there is not time to study how the legislation would work in the context of existing state law.

The truth is, for many states, Mrs. Palin’s assessment likely is dead-on, except the “death panels” would be hospital-run, not government-run. Consider Texas. The Texas Advance Directives Act of 1999 became law with support from a broad ideological spectrum, but one of its unintended consequences has been astounding. When a patient or family wants health care to continue but the attending physician does not, the Texas law allows a hospital committee to have the final say under the amorphous concept of “medical futility.”

I don’t know why people still don’t believe me when I say Obama’s been a better GOP president than Bush. He’s done more to push GOP initiatives on the federal level than Bush could have dreamed of.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm

Mick,

I’m Doomy Mick. Or as yip yap likes to think I’m the boogey man! Don’t misunderstand me either on my previous post. You still have to work and succeed to graduate from an ivy league school but its just like my girlfriend jokingly told me when she was going through grad school “Nobody flunks grad school silly”. She was exaggerating of course but her premise was that basically just about everyone who does the work gets an A or a B.

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm

doom

Thanks but no thanks. I really don’t care that much about it, but if it is a major sticking point for you – fine. Just add it to your list of all the other obama negatives. By the way, you are alright in my book, your debate is usually civil and a sense of humor is a very good thing – party on doom…

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:11 pm

Brosephus: I don’t know why people still don’t believe me when I say Obama’s been a better GOP president than Bush. He’s done more to push GOP initiatives on the federal level than Bush could have dreamed of.

Including:

OIL PRODUCTION

….also deportation, killing of terrorists, and some other stuff that is pretty obvious.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm

Zedd – reminds me of the following exchange:
Vince: “You ok”
Marsellus: “Nah, man, I’m pretty ****** far from ok.”
Vince: “So what you gonna do?”
Marsellus: “I’m gonna get me a pair of hard, pipe hittin’ ***** to get to work on the holmes here with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch. You hear me talkin’ hillbilly boy. I aint through with you by a damn sight. I’m gonna get medieval on your ***”
Vince: “What about you and me?”
Marsellus: “You and me? There is no more ‘you and me.’ You leave town tonight. And when you be gone, you stay gone.”

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm

Yip, so the angered one should change his new moniker to four thousand, seven hundred and four days?! Hysterical.

It reminds me of how I began counting down the hours, weeks and weeks before the worst ever left office.

It really was a redemptive exercise for me. And now thinking back on the elation that the country felt when those two deadly losers left DC with their tails between their legs, brings back very good memories…

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
3:13 pm

Adam- Anyone who tells you we can drill our way out of this problem DOESn’T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT

obama showing once again he KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT JOB CREATION.

Mick

February 23rd, 2012
3:14 pm

**“Nobody flunks grad school silly”**

Once again – not true and it also depends which grad program your are in. Several flunked the program I was in – mental health. They have to screen carefully because if the mental health professional makes a serious mistake, the college that awarded the degree can be held liable…

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:15 pm

“That you fail to see that is not in the least bit surprising, given who and what you have revealed yourself to be.”

yip yap,

Well of course. I’ve revealed myself as someone willing to engage in a frank and honest discussion about how Obama got into prestigious ivy league schools and why he won’t just release his transcripts.

You’ve revealed yourself as a hypersensitive racebaiter who cannot have a rational, logical discussion about any issue possibly involving race without going into the automatic assumption that if someone disagrees with you that they must be a blanket racist. They just hafta be huh? I hope you’re not one of those poor souls who wakes up everyday looking for that racial boogeyman in every nook and corner and maybe even hiding under the bed. But it would appear that you probably are.

Normal

February 23rd, 2012
3:15 pm

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
3:13 pm

Oh fer cryin’ out loud!

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:16 pm

AmVet, I hear ‘ya. Not to derail this thread, but it’s telling how little we have heard from Herr Fratboy in the 3 years since he has been gone. Regressives, explain that, if you can.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
3:16 pm

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
3:16 pm

“As I said, who cares what any president’s college grades were?”

Um…liberals have, when Bush’s mediocre grades were used a s yet another way to demean him (and conveniently ignoring the fact that Gore’s were equally mediocre). Have you forgotten?

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:17 pm

Thulsa – clearly, your disingenuousness knows no bounds.

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
3:17 pm

Mick- We already have that with our current health care system, when are they gonna get you?

Since I’m going to be hanging out at the VA, the writing was on the wall for me many years ago. Not to worry as I’m sure I’ll die young. The brightest star burns out quicker…

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:17 pm

Mick,

Of course its not true. As I pointed out already she was exaggerating. She was making the point that if you just do the work that you will get your masters and that the overwhelming majority of the students in her class would be getting their masters and not failing out.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm

I’ve revealed myself as someone willing to engage in a frank and honest discussion about how Obama got into prestigious ivy league schools and why he won’t just release his transcripts.

Not intended to be a factual statement. :roll:

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:18 pm

Towncrier – since Thulsa has raised the “he got preferential treatment argument,” how’s about a little debate as to whether Herr Fratboy would have been accepted at either of Harvard or Yale, were his last name not synonymous with a shrub?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm

JKL2: obama showing once again he KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT JOB CREATION.

Weak response, as well as completely false.

Zedd

February 23rd, 2012
3:19 pm

Yip, what part of that promotes a fair and balanced discussion of the topic at hand? Was that some sort of veiled attempt at insult or just a pathetic threat?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:20 pm

Doom: I’ve revealed myself as someone willing to engage in a frank and honest discussion about how Obama got into prestigious ivy league schools and why he won’t just release his transcripts.

There is no such thing as “a frank and honest discussion about how Obama got into prestigious ivy league schools and why he won’t just release his transcripts.” There is no value to be had from such a conversation.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:20 pm

Zedd – neither. I saw “Zedd,” which made me think of “Zed’s dead,” which in turn made me think of that funny exchange. That’s all.

Zedd

February 23rd, 2012
3:22 pm

Zip…10-4, my bad.

Zedd

February 23rd, 2012
3:22 pm

Yip…10-4, my bad.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:22 pm

You keep trying to claim its a fair question but then you go and blah blah blah….

keep up the sorry fight,

And you keep following me down that wabbit hole that you keep complaining of. Mick has just stated that he has a masters in mental health. Perhaps he can treat you for the obsession that you have with me. Being a fellow Bookman blogger perhaps a good guy like Mick will grant you a substantial discount on services rendered.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:24 pm

And you keep following me down that wabbit hole that you keep complaining of.

Admission of attention wh*ring acknowledged….

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
3:24 pm

AmVet- But our deadly, bungling, hyper-bureaucratic clusterf&ck is a real work of art, huh?

Is that why people come from all over the world to use our doctors and hospitals?

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:24 pm

Zedd – no worries, mate (shout out right there, to Mick, with a ‘good on ya’ for good measure). In case you’re not familiar with it, the exchange is from Pulp Fiction (hands down one of the greatest movies in, like, ever).

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:25 pm

Thulsa – Herr Fratboy has a masters in business administration, and look where that got us. I’d leave Mick’s palmares out of this, personally.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm

JKL2: Is that why people come from all over the world to use our doctors and hospitals?

Cite please. Because as far as I know, this is accepted as fact without any data to back it up. Kinda like how people thought Canada had longer wait times than the U.S. (false) because of their more socialist medicine.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm

“Towncrier – since Thulsa has raised the “he got preferential treatment argument,” how’s about a little debate as to whether Herr Fratboy would have been accepted at either of Harvard or Yale, were his last name not synonymous with a shrub?”

If things still work the way at Ivy league schools the way they used to, then of the five categories of applicants (academic, scholarship, special talent, minority and offspring of alumni) Bush probably was accepted under the last. I don’t know about Obama. Your academic credentials have to be exceedingly good to be admitted under that category. He probably was admitted because he was a minority and also because his father attended there.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm

Adam,

You haven’t been following our conversation from the start so you don’t know that it does in fact have direct pertinence to what myself and yip yap were speaking of. Yip yap claims that Obama has succeeded in spite of his race and I merely pointed out that Obama may have succeeded in getting into prestigious ivy league schools because of his race. And its a valid point that release of his Occidental college transcripts could quite easily confirm or deny.

Zedd

February 23rd, 2012
3:26 pm

Yip, I remember now just had a “Moment of Lapse of Reason” ;)

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:27 pm

He probably was admitted because he was a minority and also because his father attended there.

Which is why he potentially got good grades and got to be editor of the Harvard Law Review, right?

Zedd

February 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

typing is obv not my forte…*Momentary Laspe of Reason, Jeez is it 5 o’clock yet?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

Doom: And its a valid point that release of his Occidental college transcripts could quite easily confirm or deny.

Explain how knowing his grades will tell us whether or not he was admitted BECAUSE of his race?

gm

February 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

I wonder why they dont like him? Let’s see the man make a $10,000 bet at a debate, then he tells the country he dont worry about the poor, then you have good old Newt with 3 adultry affairs, 30 page ethic violations, then you have good old Rick who says satan is after America, now you far right nut jobs do you really believe these people could be President?
Obama is still talking jobs and killing terrorist what the right nuts continue to talk abortions, birth control bills, Obama in a land slide over the nutty right””’

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm

Doomy has apparently conceded he cannot explain why a “fair question”. So much for his childishness.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm

Towncrier – I was unaware that the President is a legacy student as well. Thanks for that; a little edumacation goes a long way. (Doesn’t affect my opinion of him, however.)

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:30 pm

Thulsa – yes, notwithstanding the fact that his father went to Harvard, the President has succeeded (spectacularly) in spite of the overwhelming odds against him.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
3:31 pm

Doom — “And lets not forget that Obama went to an elite private academy in Hawaii”

I lived in Hawaii for several years, and I don’t think Punahou can credibly be called “elite.” It’s a private school and a very good one, but there are other private schools in the Honolulu metro with far better and plusher facilities (Iolani, which was supported by Kamehameha IV and which is right across the Ala Wai Canal from Waikiki) and far, far more money in the bank (Kamehameha Schools, which has boatloads of royal family money and which almost never admits non-native Hawaiian kids). Kam Schools is supposedly one of the wealthiest private foundations in the country (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamehameha_Schools#Campuses_and_governance) and when I lived out there, Kam and Iolani were considered the “elite” schools whereas many of the kids who went to Punahou went on need-based scholarships.

All three schools have a reputation for being great places to get your kid an education, but when I lived out there, my local friends told me that unless you were native Hawaiian or were rich and had serious connections, Punahou was the only chance your family had to get your kid into a quality private school. That doesn’t sound very “elite” to me.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm

Doom: Also please explain why it even matters how he was admitted? He was admitted, and seems to have done very well as a result. He’s obviously smart, not stupid, so what difference does it make what the reasons were for his initial admission? The fact that he is now President in small part due to his accomplishments from that point on, and you wish he was not?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm

Sounds like that birther thing didn’t work out for Thulsa so now it’s on to his grades?

Same crap black people been getting since the civil war. Black man wants to vote. Ok, but….is he sober? ok, has he been in jail? No? ok…lessee, is he clean shaven? yes? ok…..

Just keep throwing out the hurdles until you find one that trips him up and that one is good enough.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
3:32 pm

“Which is why he potentially got good grades and got to be editor of the Harvard Law Review, right?”

He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, which is very respectable but not top flight. He didn’t graduate summa cum laude, nor was he anything like the valedictorian. So I tend to doubt he gained admission to Harvard purely on academic grounds.

Obama is over

February 23rd, 2012
3:33 pm

This race is shaping up to be a vote against Obama versus a vote for the GOP nominee. The lack of details in his most recent tax proposal highlights what a economic joke this guy is. There is an artical in today’s Washington Post that is a great example of how things work in obamaland. Apparantly the Federal government has spent $162mm in legal fees defending former officers and directors of Fannie and Freddie. The SEC is suing the former officers and directors. So in obamaland, a taxpayer supported agency sues former Government agency employees defended at taxpayer expense to get a settlement paid for by taxpayers. Meanwhile the GSE’s continue to hemorage taxpayer money with no end in sight and no plan from the White house on how to solve the problem. The bad news for obama is that Scott Brown is soundly beating Elizabeth Warren in Mass. despite significant dem. super pac spending. He even got to quote Ted Kennedy in the recent Obama contraceptive controversy. The point here is that independent voters prefer fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republicans over left wing liberal democrats. Maybe you are satisfied with 8% + unemployment and t$trillion deficits, but I think we can do better

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:33 pm

All – Thulsa’s a sore loser, that’s all (and about to get much, much sorer [sic]).

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:33 pm

Adam,

Do people come from all over the world to be treated in the U.S.? Um. Yes. They do. And they especially come to U.S. border cities to be treated for cancer and other maladies. Furthermore it might interest you to know that the Canadian govt has a program to pay for them to be treated in the U.S. considering their socialized system can’t afford the fixed costs associated with building new health care facilities. Probably surprises you that Canada actually encourages such arrangements giving the inability of its rationed care system to provide timely and possibly life saving treatment.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U-S-get-health-care

http://hamiltonspectator.com/video2/Crossbordercare/home.html

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:34 pm

JHM: I lived in Hawaii for several years, and I don’t think Punahou can credibly be called “elite.”

Wow. I’m sorry I missed this one. I lived there too for a time and JHM is right. That is NOT an elite school. Not that it particularly matters.

Why is it elite, because it’s in Hawaii? Heck no. Did everyone forget there was and is an indigenous population?

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
3:34 pm

yip- it’s telling how little we have heard from Herr Fratboy in the 3 years since he has been gone.

Respect for the position. He doesn’t want to undermine the current administration (like Carter and Clinton did to him). Same as Reagan and Bush Sr did/do. They show when asked/needed. Otherwise you never hear from them.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm

Doom: Furthermore it might interest you to know that the Canadian govt has a program to pay for them to be treated in the U.S.

I knew about THAT. But Canada hardly counts as “all over the world.” I am going to read your second article. Please hold.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm

Yip yap,

So you conveniently change the focus to W and move the goalposts. W probably got in as a legacy as did many other pols of both sides of the political aisle. I see that in the 4th year of O’s administration blaming W never gets old for folks like you. No surprise there.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm

JKL2 – if you repeat that enough times, eventually you’ll actually believe it.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:35 pm

Oh, your second article ALSO is about just one country – Canada.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Thulsa – I didn’t bring up Bush, nor have I (today) blamed him for anything. Might I suggest some kindergarten-level reading comprehension classes?; seems like you need to start from the beginning.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Isn’t there a blog for blatant racists somewhere else on teh Intrawebs?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Towncrier: He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard, which is very respectable but not top flight. He didn’t graduate summa cum laude, nor was he anything like the valedictorian. So I tend to doubt he gained admission to Harvard purely on academic grounds.

That makes no sense. He has to be near valedictorian for you to think he got ADMITTED because of good grades? I’m sure the competition between students already there has NOTHING to do with his record at graduation.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm

Keep Up–Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
3:29 pm
Doomy has apparently conceded he cannot explain why a “fair question”. So much for his childishness

And the cyber stalker’s obsession continues….

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:38 pm

Finn – yes, it’s across the proverbial hall, over at Wingfield’s.

They BOTH suck

February 23rd, 2012
3:38 pm

TD @ 3:35

I guess yip yap figures if many of the right leaning pundits can cry about Clinton throughout 8 yrs of Bush with some still cry… why not a tear or two about Bush after 3 yrs

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
3:38 pm

So I tend to doubt he gained admission to Harvard purely on academic grounds

Because of course, everyone admitted to Harvard Law (or any number of top law schools) are not already top students. Why I bet any of those students who were not in the top 10 were just not top of their own respective undergrads and they must have done something else to gain admissions!!!!

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm

Adam- Weak response, as well as completely false

So drilling/refining/shipping oil doesn’t create jobs? I guess we’ll keep being slaves to the oil countries then. I know I’ll luvs me some $10/gal gas!

“under my plan, energy prices will necessarily skyrocket” -Barack Obama

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm

Adam,

It depends. If he got in with Cs and Ds then it probably was the sole reason. Even if he got in with just as and bs or with a 3.0 GPA then race likely would have played a major role. Releasing his transcripts long ago would simply have revealed how much if at all race played in his acceptance. That’s all.

They BOTH suck

February 23rd, 2012
3:39 pm

TD

Examples: Just yesterday I heard Boortz going on and on about Clinton and heard Oliely bring up Clinton a few weeks ago……

Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973

February 23rd, 2012
3:40 pm

Towncrier

When it comes to Harvard Law School, Magna Cum-Laude is given to the top 10%, so it would seem that is top flight, but not tip-top flight.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/current/careers/ocs/employers/about-our-students/grading.html

. For students who matriculated as of, or after, Fall Term 2008, the summa cum laude will be determined by the requirement of a 4.75 GPA. The honor is exact and does not involve “rounding off”; ie., a GPA of 4.749 does not result in a degree summa cum laude. If, in a given year, no student earns a GPA of 4.75 or higher, summa cum laude will be awarded to the student (or students in the case of a tie) with the highest overall GPA.

5. The magna cum laude will be awarded to the next ten percent of the entire class.

Granted, that policy was not in place when Obama graduated, but it does show they place a bit of significance on that honor.

http://www.cumlaude.org/

National records are not kept recording how many college graduates receive these distinctions, so there is no database that can determine how many graduates actually receive them. At Harvard, which is known for having difficult courses, only the top two percent of graduates receive summa, a few less than two percent receive magna, and around four percent receive cum laude.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm

…which is very respectable but not top flight.

You are a strict task master!

Magna cum laude is reserved for students with a GPA between the top 5% and 3% of the class. In my book, if one graduates with 95% to 97% of the class below them, that is top flight.

Deflect away from the overarching point, 2.

It does not change a thing about what a deadly debacle this system is.

It’s a racket and you and I are the tennis balls…

Does anyone know if the Cain campaign is still suspended?

Our health care system is the envy of the world. ~George W. Bush

Too bad he meant the third world…

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Adam – what’s your take on this? Seems the oil and gas company leaders don’t agree with you on Obama.

http://www.chron.com/business/article/Oil-and-gas-leaders-slam-Obama-3354377.php

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
3:41 pm

Thulsa has nothing but conjecture to go on about Obama’s grades, how he did or didn’t get into school. Has Thulsa spent this much time talking about Santorum’s school history? How about Romney’s? Any white person?

You make it too easy to see through you, Thulsa.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
3:42 pm

doomy, you can run and cluck but seems I am only a stalker when you are a chicken clucker…. last night you yakked about me a great deal (see your post on speedos, child….. and then show where anyone other than you mentioned that last night—oh wait, you failed again didn’t you). Guess you just can’t answer the question because you have no ability to post an intelligent answer to the question.

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
3:43 pm

yip- JKL2 – if you repeat that enough times, eventually you’ll actually believe it.

obama’s a great president.

obama’s a great president.

obama’s a great president.

obama’s a great president.

obama’s a great president.

Sorry, still not working. Keep going sheeple…

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:43 pm

So drilling/refining/shipping oil doesn’t create jobs?

No, silly, your assertion that he doesn’t know anything about job creation is false, particularly because he has approved dozens on new pipelines and oil drilling permits and nearly all of his policies support the oil industry growing, expanding, and creating jobs (including my own). All this nonsense suggesting otherwise is a bunch of crap.

“under my plan, energy prices will necessarily skyrocket” -Barack Obama

Please show me where and when he said this. No one has yet. You could be the first!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
3:44 pm

Adam — “I lived there too for a time”

Lucky you live Hawai’i, brah! :D

We lived Mililani side. Where you stay, brah?

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:44 pm

Brosephus @ 340pm – there’s too much like, um, facts and stuff there; regressives not gonna get it; please try something more along the lines of “According to hahvahd.edyoo, Whiteys who work hard and do well on tests and score better than other whiteys, as well as blackeys who had daddy’s who went to harvard and then abandoned them, get to graduate magna cum laude.”

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm

Heaven knows no person of color ever got anywhere on their own hard work and good grades, right? If they got anywhere it must have been by the hands of white people and government clearing the hurdles for them?

see, I know where all this is going.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm

JKL2 @ 343pm – alternatively, you can just look at his record.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:45 pm

JohnnyReb: Did you actually READ the whole article, or just the headline?

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm

“That makes no sense. He has to be near valedictorian for you to think he got ADMITTED because of good grades? I’m sure the competition between students already there has NOTHING to do with his record at graduation.”

Well, if his grades were what are normally required to gain admission under the academic category (4.0 GPA and a minimum SAT of, say, 1400+), I cannot see why he would have any reluctance to release them. I mean, what shame would there be in that? Remember, the academic category is but one of 5, so a good many of the students in attendance are not necessarily Einsteins. There are student athletes, there are legacy students like GWB, there are students who are exceptionally gifted in one way – like playing a musical instrument, and there are minority students.

JB

February 23rd, 2012
3:46 pm

Big Government
Entitlements, cradle to grave
Defense spending cut.
Gay Rights
Abortion on demand
Open boarders
Gun control
All health care one payer
Pro Union
Government through Czars, not Congress

These are all in Obama’s wheel house. What don’t we see ads promoting all this?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm

JHM: I stayed over in Red Hill once, Wahiwa before that. Where I collected “da kind” :D

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:25 pm
Thulsa – Herr Fratboy has a masters in business administration, and look where that got us.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:37 pm
Thulsa – I didn’t bring up Bush, nor have I (today) blamed him for anything. Might I suggest some kindergarten-level reading comprehension classes?; seems like you need to start from the beginning.

yip yap,

Oh. So you’re not referring to W at your 3:23 post? And when you state look where he got us I suppose I can infer that you are giving W a ringing endorsement then?

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm

Towncrier — “Well, if his grades were what are normally required to gain admission under the academic category (4.0 GPA and a minimum SAT of, say, 1400+), I cannot see why he would have any reluctance to release them. I mean, what shame would there be in that?”

Birther argument, Phase 2.

gm

February 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm

Newt what a piece of scum, the man is so desperate he had to lie that he helped bring the olympics to atlanta, Obama is is not even campaigning and has a lead over these losers, only the right far right nut jobs would vote for these clowns””’

JB

February 23rd, 2012
3:47 pm

can’t believe I left out Tax the hell out of the people paying taxes now.

Granny Godzilla

February 23rd, 2012
3:48 pm

You righties are a hoot!

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
3:48 pm

“So I tend to doubt he gained admission to Harvard purely on academic grounds”

Nothing makes a hater hate more than a person that did it better than them.

JB

February 23rd, 2012
3:49 pm

gm…………..can’t wait to see your face when someone you love is denied life saving medical treatment
” because it’s not in the budget”.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:50 pm

Well, if his grades were what are normally required to gain admission under the academic category (4.0 GPA and a minimum SAT of, say, 1400+), I cannot see why he would have any reluctance to release them

In a larger context of how every time he releases one personal document, he is asked for more personal documents to be released, I can absolutely see his hesitance to do so, having nothing to do with the content of them. There was a lot of bluster over his birth certificate, for which he released the form he could legally get in 2007, and then later the long form, which he could get AS PRESIDENT, and what did people say both times? That they weren’t real or were faked. If people did that crap to me you bet your sweet ass I wouldn’t keep releasing documents, because it’s obviously a waste of time.

JohnnyReb

February 23rd, 2012
3:50 pm

Adam, yes I read the article giving particular attention to the complaints of the Obama administration.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
3:51 pm

2, Obama is a very mediocre president.

GWB was infinitely worse.

Only hyper-partisans who have willfully suspended reality get this backwards.

I just saw a list pf presidential rankings that I had not yet seen.

GWB was 39th, with only Pierce, Harding, Buchanan and Andrew Johnson behind him.

This agrees with virtually every list I have ever seen.

Don’t shoot the messenger…

sheepdawg

February 23rd, 2012
3:51 pm

Another great article Jay! Love the way only you can stir up the peach state tea party taliban!! Very entertaining to read what some of these right wing hate mongers write when prodded a little.
They sitll don’t realize if Newt wins Ga, his only claim will be the 49th and 50th rated states for education,as is well demonstrated by the electorate from those two “red” states.

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm

Thulsa – I mentioned Bush, but I didn’t introduce Bush into this particular blog. Yes, totatlly giving W a ringing endorsement (as the worst Prez we’ve ever had the misfortune of having to live through).

JB

February 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm

Just about time for the losers, bums, lowlifes and freeloaders to pop the bottle. Your time has come.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
3:53 pm

“Birther argument, Phase 2.”

Non sequitur.

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above" 12%!)

February 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

So 12% don’t like either one.

Eat the Rich

February 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

How are my comrades doing?

What has our President done for us today?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

JohnnyReb: So you understand the article is about the oil industry people who were interviewed talking about just how difficult it is to get permits as fast as they used to under the Bush administration? The same admin that had policies in place producing oil and gas at rates LOWER than the current? Boo hoo. They have to wait a little longer than they’re used to. It’s the price of doing business.

Oh and I love the special attention to fear of heavy government regulations that haven’t even happened yet.

Peadawg

February 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

“2, Obama is a very mediocre president.

GWB was infinitely worse.”

My President isn’t that great but yours is worse! Nanny nanny boo boo!!!

:roll:

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
3:54 pm

“Nothing makes a hater hate more than a person that did it better than them.”

Are you speaking from personal experience?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
3:56 pm

Towncrier: “Birther argument, Phase 2.”

Non sequitur.

Actually this is perfectly appropriate. You are asking for personal records for no reason other than to prove or disprove something racial, and your argument as to why he isn’t obliging you is that he must have something to hide.

In the 99% wanting to get in the 1%

February 23rd, 2012
3:56 pm

Plenty of pinko’s here. It’s a regular “get in line to get a check” crowd love fest.

AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.

February 23rd, 2012
3:56 pm

I voted against both of them, dawg.

And will vote against Obama in November.

http://www.voterocky.org/

JB

February 23rd, 2012
3:57 pm

You’re no fun Jay

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
3:58 pm

Keep Up–Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
3:42 pm
doomy, you can run and cluck but seems I am only a stalker when you are a chicken clucker….

Hot damn its funny watching keep up meltdown. I wonder if I consume his thoughts 24 hours a day or a mere 23 1/2 hours a day?

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
3:59 pm

So we can all agree that America doesn’t have enough idiots to vote anyone of those Republicans into the White House?

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
4:00 pm

“Are you speaking from personal experience?”

Yep….I get it all the time in my business!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
4:02 pm

Towncrier — “Non sequitur.”

Of course it follows. It’s just another ‘what does he have to hide’ snow job from the right side of the aisle. But in this case, college transcripts mean nothing. It’s not like there’s a GOP requirement to become President.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
4:02 pm

Yip, yip, yippee

February 23rd, 2012
3:52 pm
Thulsa – I mentioned Bush, but I didn’t introduce Bush into this particular blog

Oh. Otay. So the truth does come out. This after your meltdown about reading comprehension.One thing I always look forward to is laughing at your posts? You’re quite talented in that you can write comedy even when you’re not trying to.

JB

February 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

What someone tell what you like about Obama.
We know he’s black, walks cool, has a blackberry, hangs with undesirables, hasn’t a clue how to run anything. Hangs out at Martha’s Vinyard ( among snickers no doubt) and has not produced anything other than a huge debt. I’ll hang up and listen.

gm

February 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

JB

Cant wait to see your face if these idiots try to get rid of Obama care and pre existance conditon goes out the window and some one you care about can not get treated because they have no insurance””’

As soon as another natural disaster occurance the hypocrites on the right will be the first to stick out their hand for fema and red cross, oh but wait, let them wait for Donald Trump and Mitt or their state””’

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
4:03 pm

“In a larger context of how every time he releases one personal document, he is asked for more personal documents to be released, I can absolutely see his hesitance to do so, having nothing to do with the content of them.”

I don’t agree. But then I have never clamored for seeing them anyway – just puzzled as to why (if they are illustrious) he would be reluctant to release them.

In any event, I need to retract all that I said pertaining to admission policy. That applies to undergraduates. I cannot speak to how applicants are admitted to law school other that from the personal experience of friends. One of these friends, with a 3.0 GPA (because he partied his freshman year and was placed on academic probation with a GPA or 1.2 and could never get it above 3.0 afterwards – a huge embarrassment to his father who taught there), got into a prestigious law school solely on the recommendation of the U.S. senator for whom he had worked the previous four years.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
4:04 pm

“What someone tell what you like about Obama.”

Is that Spanglish??

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm

poor widdle attention starved dom clucker. So much duck and cover for his inability to answer the question originally posed about what makes it a “fair question”, but then when you lack the ability to post an intelligent response project stalking on the other posters. :roll: :lol:

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm

Finn McCool,

I see you are lampooning yourself again with your posts.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
4:05 pm

Let’s see McCain got into Annapolis only because he was a legacy and graduated at the bottom of his class and yet all you Conservatives voted for him?

Not tooooooo concerned about grades there were you? But now you claim schooling is of utmost importance? Why the change in heart? Oh, yeah, color of his skin.

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
4:06 pm

Correction to previous — It’s not like there’s a *GPA* requirement to become President.

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
4:07 pm

poor widdle attention starved keep clucker. So much duck and cover for his inability to get Doom to converse with him.

And so the obsessed one keeps posting to his obsession on and on and on….

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm

JHM: Correction to previous — It’s not like there’s a *GPA* requirement to become President.

Freud would be proud :D

GT

February 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm

Fire breathers tend to spend money backing up their fire.

The country has confused bluntness with intelligence. Most blunt people care not to explain the facts they just want to tell you how stupid you are usually on some poor reasoning on the blunt person’s part.

TGT

February 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm

UPDATE: Fresh numbers out of Gallup:

Romney 50 percent
Obama 46 percent.

Yes, Gallup.

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
4:09 pm

One of these friends, with a 3.0 GPA (because he partied his freshman year and was placed on academic probation with a GPA or 1.2 and could never get it above 3.0 afterwards – a huge embarrassment to his father who taught there), got into a prestigious law school solely on the recommendation of the U.S. senator for whom he had worked the previous four years.

So let’s see. 1.2 gpa first year then 3 years of higher grades to average at 3.0 and you claim it was only the recommendation. Well apparently you admitted you did not qualify for law school so I guess you would not comprehend how to present yourself in an admissions interview to show how the 3 years was representative of the work you could do. :roll:

Thulsa Doom

February 23rd, 2012
4:10 pm

Hmmm! Looks like I got the whole damn roost all riled up about O’s grades. Moving goal posts, bringing up the birther nonsense which has nothing to do with this, bringing up McCain’s grades, W’s grades, and on and on and on….Just another day of Doomy yanking the chains of all his puppets.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
4:10 pm

“Actually this is perfectly appropriate. You are asking for personal records for no reason other than to prove or disprove something racial, and your argument as to why he isn’t obliging you is that he must have something to hide.”

To quote Dirty Harry: “Not me, brother”. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing the transcripts of anyone aspiring to be the POTUS. If the Huffington Post can publish an article on Rick Perry’s transcripts (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/05/rick-perry-college-transcript_n_919357.html) then why not Obama’s? Race has nothing to do with it, except perhaps in your suspicious mind.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm

Race has nothing to do with it, except perhaps in your suspicious mind.

LOL. It’s ALL race.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
4:11 pm

TGT

February 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm

Still polling 50% on that Liberal rag Rasmuseen…..

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
4:12 pm

What time’s the Klan rally tonight, fellas?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
4:13 pm

Towncrier: If you were NOT the one insisting that you doubt that he got in on academics, then I apologize for saying you were trying to prove or disprove something racial.

Thulsa Doom playin em Libs

February 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm

blog cheerleader- Play them Doomy! Play them!

Doomy- I’m playin em. I’m playin em like a fiddle

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm

F. McCool — “What time’s the Klan rally tonight, fellas?”

I think they have the Bund meeting scheduled for tonight instead.

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm

You good ole boys are really going to freak out when we vote a Hispanic American into the Whit House next.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
4:15 pm

“Well apparently you admitted you did not qualify for law school…”

I did? Where did I do so? I have a graduate degree, genius. I just was never interested in law.

“…so I guess you would not comprehend how to present yourself in an admissions interview to show how the 3 years was representative of the work you could do. ”

The assertion that he got in on the strength of the senator’s recommendation was not mine, genius. It was his to me. Of course he had to perform well in an interview. I guess, however, you don’t realize how stringent the requirements are at the graduate level in prestigious schools.

I did? Where did I do so?

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
4:16 pm

TGT

February 23rd, 2012
4:08 pm

ohhh and since you like poll numbers:

Polling 50% in 5 out of 10 polls…
and
Polling 48% even of FAUX News

Thulsa Doom playin em Libs

February 23rd, 2012
4:16 pm

The day is never complete till the libs start playing the klan and race card.

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Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

February 23rd, 2012
4:16 pm

Swing state voters like Obama even less.

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
4:16 pm

“If you were NOT the one insisting that you doubt that he got in on academics, then I apologize for saying you were trying to prove or disprove something racial.”

Thank you, Adam. It’s possible, but I’m not sure we can presume so.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
4:17 pm

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm

“OPEN UP THE BOARDERS AMIGO”..LOL

Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?

February 23rd, 2012
4:18 pm

townie…. your silliness and backtracking is not even worth responding too…. enjoy your Whole Foods shopping trip. Remember when Morgan makes your coffee, that extra is special for you. :D

Thulsa Doom playin em Libs

February 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm

Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)

February 23rd, 2012
4:14 pm
You good ole boys are really going to freak out when we vote a Hispanic American into the Whit House next.

Yep. Marco Rubio!!! Every once in awhile the libs are like a blind squirrel. They find the acorn of truth. It happens rarely. But it do happen.

Skip

February 23rd, 2012
4:19 pm

Down to the guy that lost to the guy that lost to Obama and the guy that got canned by his own state, wonderful.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
4:20 pm

I still don’t see what difference it makes. Those years have long passed, and one does not graduate Harvard magna cum laude without doing EXTREMELY well. Having the specific grades, or his grades before that, seem pointless considering how well he did and the fact that he is now over 3 years into his first term as President. What is the point to having the Occidental records, knowing that he did well at Harvard, a school pretty well known for suffering no fools?

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
4:22 pm

Yep. Marco Rubio!!!

If that does happen, you’ll find out what the difference is between PRETENDING to be against policies (attacks on Obama) and ACTUALLY being against policies (attacks on Rubio). You should take notes.

Adam

February 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm

I am out for the day. See ya!

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
4:23 pm

“I still don’t see what difference it makes. Those years have long passed, and one does not graduate Harvard magna cum laude without doing EXTREMELY well.”

That’s because in their closed minded world, “it just not possible”. Thats their rationale.

Thulsa Doom playin em Libs

February 23rd, 2012
4:26 pm

There it is. The “anyone who dsagrees with me is close minded card”! You knew it was coming. Ya just knew it!!!

Towncrier

February 23rd, 2012
4:27 pm

“…and one does not graduate Harvard magna cum laude without doing EXTREMELY well.”

Agreed.

“…Harvard, a school pretty well known for suffering no fools?”

That statement would, of necessity, apply to Bush as well or it would be false.

JOE COOL

February 23rd, 2012
4:30 pm

Thulsa Doom playin em Libs

? Are you willing to accept that the Prez got into these schools based of just grades? just a yes or no?

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

February 23rd, 2012
4:44 pm

I’m not real fond of any of the GOP candidates but Obama disguists me. There he goes APOLOGIZING again, this time to Afgan. Some US troops accidently burned their Quaran after the detainees wrote in them, attempting to pass information! The Afgan mobs gathered and threw rocks and things at the NATO and US troops, 2 US soldiers were killed in the process of this attack! They do not appreciate us being there to support them with our troops and foreign aid money. Leave the Afgans to look out for themselves, take our troops and money and leave them to their own self-destruction. I do not care how many of them die, my only concern is for the US troops!! Leave now!!!!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
4:49 pm

Tom — “The Afgan mobs gathered and threw rocks and things at the NATO and US troops, 2 US soldiers were killed in the process of this attack! They do not appreciate us being there to support them with our troops and foreign aid money.”

Sooo . . . cut and run?

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

February 23rd, 2012
5:03 pm

Joe HUSSEIN Obama(Ops, I mean Mama) – I do not normally agree with Ron Paul on hardly anything but this one he got right. Joe, earlier you said you were a disabled vet(if I remember correctly) how can you put the lives of US troops below that of these type people. I do not understand your view, especially from a former soldier? Later, time for the gym, just in case I meet some bad people later in life!

Joe Hussein Mama

February 23rd, 2012
5:08 pm

Tom — “Joe, earlier you said you were a disabled vet(if I remember correctly)”

I am.

“how can you put the lives of US troops below that of these type people.”

Did you support our operation in Iraq? If so, how can you put the lives of US troops below that of *those* type people?

The negative sobriquet of ‘cut-and-runner’ has emanated from the Right for the last few years, particularly when anyone on the Left dares to suggest that perhaps we shouldn’t have engaged Iraq. I wonder now if the sobriquet is as applicable to you, or if there’s some special condition or criterion that supposedly renders you immune to it?

“I do not understand your view, especially from a former soldier?”

If you ask me politely, I’ll answer politely.

If people who wanted to disengage from Iraq were ‘cut-and-run’ advocates as recently as a couple of years ago, then why aren’t *you* a ‘cut-and-run’ advocate for wanting to disengage from Afghanistan?

JB

February 23rd, 2012
5:51 pm

You really have to wonder what any Obama supporter ( the few not making their living off entitlements) see in him.

Big bloated in debt Government wanting to spend more
Open borders
Gay Marriage
Anti Christian/Religion
Abortion on demand
Anti business
Close to anti white
Anti U.S. Energy

To name a few.

Michael

February 23rd, 2012
6:11 pm

I would think this blog was dominated by teenagers but they don’t read anymore.

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet)

February 23rd, 2012
6:21 pm

Joe, I told you before. I am not a righty, I am Independent. I supported operation in Iraq to get people connected to 9-11 attacks. I was not for nation rebuilding and stay 10 years to create a democracy. Iraq is just as bad now as it was 10 years ago and they will never have a democracy with all those religious fanatics there, just like Afganistan Aren’t you sick to death for Obama apologizing to every foreign country. He should care about our US troops that were killed, more than the people of Afghanistan who act like savages!! Where are your 2 buddies, Adam and Paul?? Maybe back at funny farm(not their day out) ??

gm

February 23rd, 2012
6:54 pm

Tom(Independent-Viet Vet

This what I am talking about these sick morons on the right by apologizing we saved more Americans lives, do any of you idiots want to be kindapped by these people, or do you want more American lives lost.
Just think of a idiot like Newt running this country? the terrorist would kill us all because of this stupid pride, did not Iraq teach you iditos anything by going along?
4500 American troops dead,.
Thanks Obama for using tac, and common sense

JKL2

February 23rd, 2012
10:02 pm

Adam-Please show me where and when he said this. No one has yet. You could be the first

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHL404zhcU

Derek

February 24th, 2012
1:02 am

Four losers are trying to run for office and it’s so sad….none of them care about improving America, just the power of the highest office in the land

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Joe Hussein Mama

February 24th, 2012
9:16 am

Tom — “Joe, I told you before. I am not a righty, I am Independent. I supported operation in Iraq to get people connected to 9-11 attacks.”

Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Osama bin Laden was hiding out in AFGHANISTAN, and the then-ruling Taliban refused to hand him over.

“I was not for nation rebuilding and stay 10 years to create a democracy. Iraq is just as bad now as it was 10 years ago and they will never have a democracy with all those religious fanatics there, just like Afganistan”

No. Iraq is worse today than it was ten years ago. It’s true that they no longer have a dictator running the show, but they also didn’t have sectarian religious violence going on before we took Saddam Hussein down.

“Aren’t you sick to death for Obama apologizing to every foreign country.”

No. When we do something wrong as a country, our President should acknowledge it and apologize for it.

“He should care about our US troops that were killed, more than the people of Afghanistan who act like savages!!”

How would you know if he cares about our troops or not? Seems to me that apologizing would be a step in the right direction towards turning the violent protests down.

“Where are your 2 buddies, Adam and Paul?? Maybe back at funny farm(not their day out) ??”

I can’t speak for anyone else who posts here.

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