Santorum a symptom of the GOP’s very deep ills
For those who don’t have video access, here’s what Rick Santorum has to say in the interview above:
“In the Netherlands, people wear different bracelets if they are elderly. And the bracelet is: ‘Do not euthanize me.’ Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized — 10 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, they will not come out of that hospital if they go in there with sickness.”
A few quick points:
1.) The remarks above come from the frontrunner for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, a man who in late February is still leading the race by some 10 percentage points nationwide.
2.) This statement was made not five years ago or 10 years ago, but earlier this month.
3.) Not a shred of what Santorum says is true. There are no such bracelets in the Netherlands. They exist only in the same reality in which green men from Mars exist, and in fact the Dutch press is laughing at Santorum’s claim that “we in the Netherlands delight in murder of the elderly.”
While the Netherlands does have a euthanasia law, a total of 3,136 terminally ill people took advantage of that option in 2010, a far cry from Santorum’s claim of 10 percent of all deaths in that nation.
Under Dutch law, the attending physician must certify in writing that the patient has made “a voluntary and carefully considered request” to die. The physician must also certify that the patient is undergoing unbearable suffering and that the patient’s condition is terminal, with no hope of recovery. As Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post further notes, “the patient must voluntarily and repeatedly request the procedure, and another doctor must provide a written opinion agreeing with the diagnosis. After the death, a commission made up of a doctor, a jurist and an ethical expert also are required to verify that the requirements for euthanasia have been met.”
Say what you choose about the merits of euthanasia. Feel free to debate it. But Santorum’s claims that half of euthanasia deaths in the Netherlands are involuntary — i.e., outright murder — and that senior citizens are terrified of going into the hospital lest they be killed in order to save on health care costs are absolutely ludicrous. It is ignorant fear-mongering, and as the gasps and moans on the tape reveal, people swallow it.
4.) Did I mention that this man leads in every national poll for the Republican presidential nomination? As a Dutch writer notes, “It would be laughable if not for the fact that Santorum is still very much in the race for the Republican nomination against Barack Obama for the presidency of the most powerful country in the world.”
Look, every party has its Maxine Waters and, to a lesser degree, its Dennis Kuciniches. However, Waters did not just win three presidential primaries, as Santorum has. When Kucinich ran for president in 2008, he got all of 1.35 percent of the vote in New Hampshire’s Democratic primary and then dropped out.
I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness. It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the Republican Party, but it’s also bad for the Democrats, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.
– Jay Bookman
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They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
3:51 pm
Go get um Rick
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
3:53 pm
Frothy is delusional…no surprise there. I am surprised to find people so desperate to cling to anyone other than Romney they’ll grasp whatever poo is flung at them.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
3:54 pm
Maybe Rick was thinking about those energy / healing bracelets those charlatans sell on tv and became confused……………
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
3:59 pm
“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country…. Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.” ~ Rick Santorum, interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com (October 2011)
“I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money; I want to give them the opportunity to go out and earn the money.” ~ Rick Santorum, campaigning for president in Iowa (January 2012)
“The question is — and this is what Barack Obama didn’t want to answer — is that human life a person under the Constitution? And Barack Obama says no. Well if that person — human life is not a person, then — I find it almost remarkable for a black man to say, ‘We’re going to decide who are people and who are not people.’” ~ Rick Santorum, CNS News interview (January 2011)
“I think the Democrats are actually worried he (Obama) may go to Indonesia and bow to more Muslims.” ~ Rick Santorum, Fox News interview (May 2010)
“[Gay marriage] is an issue just like 9-11… We didn’t decide we wanted to fight the war on terrorism because we wanted to. It was brought to us. And if not now, when? When the supreme courts in all the other states have succumbed to the Massachusetts version of the law?” ~ Rick Santorum, interview with the Allentown Morning Call (February 2004)
“The reason Social Security is in big trouble is we don’t have enough workers to support the retirees. Well, a third of all the young people in America are not in America today because of abortion.” ~ Rick Santorum, during a Republican presidential debate (May 2011)
“We have brave men and women who are willing to step forward because they know what’s at stake. They’re willing to sacrifice their lives for this great country. What I’m asking all of you tonight is not to put on a uniform. Put on a bumper sticker. Is it that much to ask? Is it that much to ask to step up and serve your country?” ~ Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), during his losing 2006 re-election bid, urging supporters to put a Rick Santorum bumper sticker on their cars
Patrick
February 22nd, 2012
3:59 pm
New GOP ad:
“Vote For Rick Santorum–He Is The Best We Have to Offer!”
Vedette
February 22nd, 2012
3:59 pm
Amen, brother.
When are the sane Republicans going to put the crazies back in their box?
Simple Truths
February 22nd, 2012
4:00 pm
Obama a symptom of the Democrats very deep ills.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
“Not a shred of what Santorum says is true.” – of course it isn’t
are you trying to shame the shameless again?
a “noble but futile cause” says msstsimons, who did her clinicals
in abnormal psychology. All i can say is, i’m glad i work w/numbers.
They don’t lie, and 2 + 2 is always 4, except in con-world.
That said, we’re early voting for lil Ricky next week, heehee
Jimmy62
February 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
I agree that the GOP has some issues, but the real insane part is that the Democrats are also nuts, and you don’t realize it.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:03 pm
Ok, sorry, this frothy mix thing is disgusting. So how did it get started anyways?
Jimmy62
February 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm
The other insane part is that Santorum hasn’t even come close to winning coastal states, just some in the heartland, yet you don’t even notice/acknowledge such an obvious point. Why? Because you want people to think he has a chance so that you can get more GOP bashing in. There’s no way in hell he’s getting the nomination, and only a fool like Jay could imagine Santorum will.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm
Santorum 2012
Oh Please Oh Please Oh Please
Stevie Ray
February 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm
Jay,
Would you agree the this extreme nonsense is result of the fact that the BIG money for both parties can be found only on the far fringes of each ideology? The democrats have unions and other uber liberal cash machines, the GOP has the religious zealots among others. My feeling is that both, if not all fringe elements are on the verge of irrelevancy..;..Too bad a moderate who takes an independent approach will never get elected much less funded…Of course, the banks, telecoms, energy and wall street apply equal amounts of butter on each slice…
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm
I simply must take issue with Santorum’s recollection. I recall that there is rather nice music playing and really nice scenery and it’s completely painless. Watch for yourself if you don’t believe me.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm
RNC theme song if Santorum wins nomination
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NadXxlNebSc
Stevie Ray
February 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm
I’m betting if nothing else, Santorini will bring out voters who simply want to vote against him…al a Bush I and Ross Perot…what a nutjob and throwback to cro magna era…
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm
Fred,
“So how did it get started anyways?”
From this comment: “In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That’s not to pick on homosexuality. It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be.” ~ Rick Santorum , speaking to a reporter in 2003,
The reported commented, “I’m sorry, I didn’t think I was going to talk about ‘man on dog’ with a United States senator, it’s sort of freaking me out.”
http://www.npr.org/2012/01/06/144801671/why-santorums-google-problem-remains
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm
Jimmy62
February 22nd, 2012
4:02 pm
I agree that the GOP has some issues, but the real insane part is that the Democrats are also nuts, and you don’t realize it.
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Oh folks realize it Jimmy, we aren’t brainless neo-cons, but right now the nutty leftists are smart enough to shut the hell up and let the nutty wingers take all the heat. It seems to be working.
Most people forget that if the leftists get the house again that moonbat Pelosi goes back in power. I don’t, but right now she seems more sane than the right. I think it’s because she ain’t talking but that’s just me………….
Robert Lee
February 22nd, 2012
4:06 pm
Can you imagine the stress of being one of the power brokers of the GOP? To see Frothy and Mittens as the best you have to offer to defeat Obama…….dang, I’d hate to be in their shoes.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
4:07 pm
Jimmy 62
You are probably correct, but with Romney surfing to the right
in order to catch Santorum in MI and AZ…..they’ll be a huge number of equally stupid stuff to quote from Mitt.
ty webb
February 22nd, 2012
4:08 pm
Aside from the obviously “racist” comment about Maxine Waters, I agree with you Jay. Santorum is not a good choice, and he’s not a conservative. I still think Romney gets the nod, and he will be a formidable candidate…or at least I hope.
Logical Dude
February 22nd, 2012
4:08 pm
Sooooo. . . where DID Santorum come up with the bracelets in his speech? Has his speechwriter said?
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
4:08 pm
StevieRay, I’d have to disagree with you there. The big money is almost always self-interested money, which means that it almost always has a pragmatic, reality-based purpose behind it.
To use the current case as an example, Mitt Romney is getting the big money; Rick Santorum is not. He’s done a lot better on fundraising recently, but most of it’s coming in small increments.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:09 pm
Santorum’s theme song after he debates Obama (if he wins nomination)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6up076lSH8
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:14 pm
“Not a shred of what Santorum says is true.”
And no one in the audience had ‘net access on their phone so they could do a quick check and stand up five minutes later and say “Sen Santorum, you are woefully misinformed for the Republican frontrunner.” (Okay, the questioner could say ‘you’re wacko!!! but then he’d lose the microphone).
So when this comes up, let’s now see how many people nod their heads and say “yup, that’s what happens when socialists run a country…”
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:14 pm
My conspiracy minded thoughts lead me to the GOP trotting out these half-baked candidates on purpose to lead to a brokered convention, then throwing a Christie or Bush into the ring. Republicans would be so psyched to no longer have to choose between these loons, they nominate the newbie. Republican voters heave a sigh of relief at no longer being a laughing stock, they unite behind the candidate blinders on to any potential flaws.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:15 pm
Yes. Of course. Aaaaaand of course Obama has never made patently ridiculous and absurd claims or made statements that turned out to be outright lies? Or has he??? Wayyyyy too many to write down so I’ll just let the linkees do the work.
http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies
http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com/fashion-shows/
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
4:16 pm
Jay, do you get your talking points from Media Matters like other libs do ?
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:17 pm
Paul,
Nice idea, but: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/
“Facts don’t necessarily have the power to change our minds. In fact, quite the opposite. In a series of studies in 2005 and 2006, researchers at the University of Michigan found that when misinformed people, particularly political partisans, were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, they rarely changed their minds. In fact, they often became even more strongly set in their beliefs. Facts, they found, were not curing misinformation. Like an underpowered antibiotic, facts could actually make misinformation even stronger.”
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:17 pm
Thulsa
Whats up my man? Hope all is well………. I think that cooler heads will prevail and Republicans will come to their senses and Romeny will win the nomination when it is all said and done……….
You guys do not want to be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eF1FeSygeXU&feature=related
On election day
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
4:18 pm
That the best you got, Thulsa?
Better off not even showing up if that’s all you can bring.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:18 pm
Thanks JCB.
I also see that Joseph is done posting for the day lol.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
4:19 pm
where DID Santorum come up with the bracelets in his speech?
We’ve told scout a million times to stop forwarding those e-mails and he just wouldn’t listen.
godless heathen©
February 22nd, 2012
4:19 pm
It must be the sweater vest because I can think of no good reason why anyone would support this whacko. And I’m not hearing anybody say they do. I can’t imagine why he is polling that high.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:19 pm
jewcowboy
“How facts backfire”
Yeah, I’d say that last thread was a good illustration of the point.
And this one likely won’t be far behind.
And Ron Paul gets booed at debates.
The Republican base sure gets touchy when someone pulls back the curtain, don’t they?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:20 pm
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
4:16 pm
Jay, do you get your talking points from Media Matters like other libs do ?
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He gets them from me and THEN I give them to media matters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dISKvZetkQI&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=2&feature=plpp_video
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:21 pm
TD
A Santorum nomination will have you singing the following on election day……………….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVor2Xm8qg0
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm
Santorum’s lie on health care in the Netherlands reminds me of Obama’s outright damn lie about an Illinois man who died because the insurance company refused to pay for treatment. As proven to be absollutely false by politifact.
Insurers delayed an Illinois man’s treatment, “and he died because of it.”
-Barack Obama on Wednesday, September 9th, 2009 in a speech to a joint session of Congress
Damn lies and the Damn liars that tell them.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/17/barack-obama/obama-says-decision-revoke-insurance-led-illinois-/
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:22 pm
godless heathen©
February 22nd, 2012
4:19 pm
It must be the sweater vest because I can think of no good reason why anyone would support this whacko. And I’m not hearing anybody say they do. I can’t imagine why he is polling that high.
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I swear to all that’s holy (or unholy, your choice), i saw a car today with a Santorum bumper sticker. No, TWO of them, two bumper stickers, not two cars with one each lol.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
4:23 pm
“Media Matters.”
It has become the two-word incantation to ward off all uncomfortable thoughts, facts and arguments.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:23 pm
Too bad the media did not vet Obama as thoroughly as they are the Republican candidates.
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
4:23 pm
I can’t imagine why he is polling that high.
One look at your name and I can imagine why you can’t imagine he is polling that high!
Whatever
February 22nd, 2012
4:24 pm
Jay,
What have we come to? I’m a moderate conservative and there is no one left for me to vote for. There used to be moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans. Now all we have is a Left and a Right. I’m left standing somewhere in the middle.
Neither party is attractive to me any longer.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
4:25 pm
“…verging on collective madness”
yes, their Hate has induced not just madness, but economic terrorism
and treason. Hate is the glue that holds the Republican pahhty together.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:25 pm
They BOTH suck,
I’ll take Santorum or elmer fudd for that matter over the community organizer’s assault on the American economy. I never thought I would see the day when liberal sheeple could be convinced that the 2% economic growth we are seeing today is somehow great news. Such is life in the bizarro world of the kook left.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
4:25 pm
Yet another reason I will vote for Obama if Santorum gets the nomination and it looks like there is a chance he could win. What an asshat.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
4:25 pm
‘Too bad the media did not vet Obama as thoroughly as they are the Republican candidates’
What did they (and Hillary) miss?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:25 pm
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:23 pm
Too bad the media did not vet Obama as thoroughly as they are the Republican candidates.
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Because they didn’t know that Limbaugh’s plan to keep Hillary out of the race would backfire so badly.
Yip, yip, yippee
February 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm
jewcowboy @ 3:53pm “Frothy is delusional….” Love it. Hands down, POTD. Keep spreading the word my man, keep spreading the word.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm
Whatever
February 22nd, 2012
4:24 pm
Jay,
What have we come to? I’m a moderate conservative and there is no one left for me to vote for. There used to be moderate Democrats and moderate Republicans. Now all we have is a Left and a Right. I’m left standing somewhere in the middle.
Neither party is attractive to me any longer.
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Welcome to the Boomtown Bro, there are many like you here. Be careful though. The far right will call you a leftist and a lib now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGxCl4ATDHw
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
4:28 pm
Meanwhile, Thulsa stands ready and confident in his abilities, pea shooter in hand, as Jay pulls up in his M1 Abrams and exclaims, “You feeling lucky today…”
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
4:28 pm
So Santorum is a symptom and The GOP is ill…
There’s only one thing to do!
Doctors, Nurses and Joe the Plumber too.
Probes at the ready…..
Yip, yip, yippee
February 22nd, 2012
4:28 pm
Oh, and Jay, your “little sweater vest that could” comment the other day was brilliant. That’s what I now refer to him as; even makes my radical right wing friends chuckle.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:29 pm
media matters= character assassins willing to get in the liberal mudhole and hire private investigators to dig up dirt on people. If you can’t compete in the arena of ideas with your rivals then just slime them.
Democratic strategy
1. Blame W
2. Bash Palin/teaparty
3. Scream Racism
4. Hire PIs to slime people
godless heathen©
February 22nd, 2012
4:29 pm
Mr. Right: But even the thumpers must realize that the man has zero, zilch, nada chance to defeat Obama in the election. Unless the Rapture occurs before then, that is.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:30 pm
TD
Romney gives you much better than a “puncher’s chance”………
Santorum will get you this on election day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RukUetw0hAM
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
4:32 pm
Dear me, doomy’s tossing everything but the kitchen sink. And that’s probably next.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:33 pm
jewcowboy
Thinking about that a bit more, it seems the denial of reality in the face of facts is more prevalent in the Republican base, as they seem to have the attitude they know absolute truth. There isn’t belief or opinion, just fact as they see it. So the double-down phenomena in the link you cited is very much in evidence, as we see here every day.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:33 pm
They BOTH Suck: Here is my favorite version of that song lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FPcA7rNbTs&list=FLBFI9bcIcPzzTDjgPb0CnJA&index=25&feature=plpp_video
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:34 pm
Lord Help Us – they missed obviously too much.
Fred – you may be right.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:34 pm
Taxpayer,
Actually I’m driving along in my aircraft carrier. I’m looking over the side and what do I see? I see Jay in a little ole tugboat. Then I see keep up in a little rowboat, then I see kamchak in a rubber dinghy, then I see you wearing those little rubber floaties on your arms and around your waist- the same ones my 7 year old niece wears. Moral of the story- ya’ll get on outta the way before you get run over by me and my carrier battle group.
0311/1811
February 22nd, 2012
4:35 pm
Breaking News:
Santorum Announces the 2012 Launch of “European Americans for Santorum” !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU&feature=youtu.be
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 22nd, 2012
4:35 pm
MEDIA MATTERS, ACORN…..TELEPROMPTERS………..
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
4:35 pm
Aquagirl
I think Doom needs to be probed.
godless heathen©
February 22nd, 2012
4:35 pm
Maybe the thumpers’ hope is that inSanityorum can get the nod, the Rapture, like some wounded duck Tim Tebow Hail Mary pass will save the game at the last minute.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:36 pm
TD
The US electorate will tell Santorum what the Pennsylvania electorate told him back in 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8
(I’m on a roll)
I know you just want Obama gone, but you have to know Santorum will take a beat down; even with all of Obama’s follies you can point out
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
4:36 pm
‘Lord Help Us – they missed obviously too much.’
Examples would be cool…if you have any.
The media did miss the whole ‘fact’ that he is not a US citizen…
so you have that going for you…and that’s good (Carl Spagler)
0311/1811
February 22nd, 2012
4:37 pm
I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness. It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the DEMONCRAT Party, but it’s also bad for the Republicans, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Democrats in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.”
Could not have said it better myself !!
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
4:37 pm
Thulsa – With the front runner for the nomination saying things like this, I don’t think they have too much to worry about. The republican party seems pretty intent on pouring a can of gasoline over themselves and lighting a match.
ty webb
February 22nd, 2012
4:38 pm
if you’re going to quote Caddyshack…at least do it correctly.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:38 pm
Is that all you got- Jay
I guess a hundred or so lies aint enough for you Jay? I knew you had exceptionally low standards for the O man but sheesh. How low can you go with this pathological liar Obama? The man has more lies than Carter has peanuts.
0311/1811
February 22nd, 2012
4:39 pm
“Hi Lord, it’s me. We are getting older and things are getting bad here. Gas prices are too high, no jobs, food and heating costs too high. I know some have taken you out of our schools, government and even Christmas, but Lord I’m asking you to come back and re-bless America . We really need you! There are more of us who want you than those who don’t! Thank You Lord, I Love you.”
Author Unknown
0311/1811
February 22nd, 2012
4:39 pm
Thulsa:
You ain’t seen nothing yet. Wait until they really get desparate.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:40 pm
Paul,
I missed the post below, and from the sound of it, I’m not much in a mindset to go look at it. I would probably be a bit touchy too if the best my political party could turn up was a someone who has been running unsuccessfully for President for 4 years, a serial adulterer and an unstable Jesus freak in sweater vest with an unhealthy fascination with gay sex.
0311/1811
February 22nd, 2012
4:41 pm
Headline: “Christian pastor and father of two could be executed without prior warning after Iranian court issues final verdict, ordering he be put to death for leaving Islam and converting to Christianity, according to sources.”
………… and we are trying to deal rationally with these people ?
TGT
February 22nd, 2012
4:41 pm
In April of 2008, Obama said, “Look, I got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old—I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”
In 2001 the Illinois legislature took up a bill that was patterned after the federal BAIPA. Obama voted against this bill in committee. On the floor of the Illinois Senate, he later gave the only speech against the bill, saying, “I mean, it—it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.” (What?! We need the “equal protection clause” to tell us that we shouldn’t kill our children?!)
Did any of you libs find these statements troubling?
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:42 pm
So, Scout, you think the breadth of opinion that Democratic politicians can express without fear of being challenged for their seat is less than what we see in the Republican Party? Or in simpler terms, do Democrats have a term like RINO for those who don’t toe the Party line?
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
I heard audio today of a speech Reagan gave in 1983 at the National Association of Evangelicals’ annual convention. He was POTUS at the time, a setting President. He stated many of the same things Santorum is saying. The Left did not like Reagan just as they don’t like Santorum. If anything, their rhetoric is even louder. If you want to hear Reagan, and don’t think your computer will combust before your very eyes, go the RushLimbaugh.com
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:43 pm
Fred
that was awesome
You ever seen this vids?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5lbfav6hw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bMfrixJyWc&feature=related
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:44 pm
jewcowboy
To be fair, Santorum doesn’t just have an unhealthy fascination with gay sex.
He has an unhealthy fascination with sex, period.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:44 pm
0311/1811,
“We really need you!”
One man bent in labor accomplishes more than 100 knelled in prayer.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:44 pm
They BOTH suck,
I’m not a Santorum fan by any means. But could anyone possibly do worse than the O man? I don’t think it would be possible to preside over poorer economic performance if you tried. THe recovery under this joke of a president has been nothing short of absymal. What are we still negative 428,000 jobs? God help us from this buffoon. And there are people thinking this man is doing a good job? Its nothing short of mindboggling. Seriously. Do they just have their collective heads up their asses that they can’t look at historical recoveries from recessions, even deep recessions such as the 81-82 recession and see just how absolutely horrendous recovery has been under this idiot? This fool is an absolute menace to the nation. The fact that such a fool with ZERO executive experience to begin with could have been even elected is a testament to just how many stupid people there are in this country. A bunch of collective dumbmasses.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
4:45 pm
I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.
Me too!!!!
TGT
February 22nd, 2012
4:45 pm
Obama uttered those statements, and many others I don’t have time to post (”spread the wealth”, etc.), and he was ELECTED.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:45 pm
Scout
“………… and we are trying to deal rationally with these people ?”
Go back to the prior thread and read about your fellow conservatives who’d let moms who aborted babies who were in a horrible way be sentenced to death or life in prison.
ty webb
February 22nd, 2012
4:45 pm
“do Democrats have a term like RINO for those who don’t toe the Party line?”
gee, good question…ask Joe Lieberman, then get back to us.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:46 pm
Paul,
“He has an unhealthy fascination with sex, period.”
As shown by his 8 children. Trying to catch up to the Duggar’s, maybe?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skyzyx/249270409/
godless heathen©
February 22nd, 2012
4:47 pm
I blame Tim Tebow.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
JohnnyReb
“I heard audio today of a speech Reagan gave in 1983 at the National Association of Evangelicals’ annual convention. He was POTUS at the time, a setting President. He stated many of the same things Santorum is saying.”
Just because Pres Reagan used the term ‘evil’ does not make his remarks anywhere close to what Santorum is saying.
“Pres Reagan’s Evil Empire Speech”
http://www.nationalcenter.org/ReaganEvilEmpire1983.html
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
Thulsa – I truly believe that Obama will be judged as one of the worst presidents in history, but at the same time, I think a big part of that is because of the time in history that he became president. I don’t believe anyone could have done much better of a job the past three years. Having said that, yes, I think Santorum would be worse. Much much worse. Cause I haven’t seen any evidence that there is any substance outside of his religious beliefs and religious beliefs have no place in the government.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
4:48 pm
If you want to hear Reagan, and don’t think your computer will combust before your very eyes, go the RushLimbaugh.com
Can you give us a website without pop-up ads for oxycontin?
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:49 pm
“do Democrats have a term like RINO for those who don’t toe the Party line?”
Please don’t reply “blue dogs.” That’s one of the biggest lies in Congress. My Congressman claims to be a blue dog, what a joke. They always vote with the Left. Their so called physical conservatisim is nothing more than a trick to get elected in swayable districts.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:49 pm
Scout,
As I said I’m not a Santorum fan at all but the reality is that at this stage an incumbent president really should have anywhere from a 10-20% lead while the other party is having its candidates savage each other left and right. But once the candidate is solidified either Santorum or Romney can turn their full attention to one thing-Obama’s dismal and rather pitiful economic record. Facts are facts and the facts are in- this is the single worst recovery from a recession that we have had in the post WW2 era. FACT!
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:50 pm
jewcowboy
I give Santorum credit for loving kids and having the resources to provide for those he brings into the world.
But I find his remarks regarding the proper role of sex for procreation to be a bit outside the mainstream, even for a practicing Catholic.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:50 pm
Paul – although not stated, I was referencing Reagan’s remarks on abortion.
Machiavelli
February 22nd, 2012
4:50 pm
Whatever it takes to slap back the grasping hand of government. Light it up!
jm
February 22nd, 2012
4:51 pm
I agree with Jay. Oy.
Vote Mitt 2012.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
4:52 pm
Wow, after reading the first page, I think Bookman has set a new record. Before the 30th post was made, there was already a blame Obama, blame Dems, both parties do it, race card, and an Obama diversion post. Jay, I don’t know how you do it, but I think it’s gonna be hard to beat this thread.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:52 pm
“Whatever it takes to slap back the grasping hand of government. Light it up!”
That would be, pull the “R” lever.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
4:52 pm
TD @ 4:44
My assessment could be totally wrong; however I do not think Santorum would have a chance…….
For all of the things that we could discuss, debate and argue about Obama and no matter who is right or wrong; that will not garner many moderate and independent votes for Santorum.
Santorum is working the social issues for two reasons: he believes them and polls show he is taking away the social conservative vote from Romney and Gingrich. The problem is that those social conservative votes are going to vote Repub for the most part anyway. Taking them away now, helps him in his current fight, but will garner much extra in the General election.
He knows that, but he must take that gamble to even win the nomination………
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
Thulsa says:
” … the reality is that at this stage an incumbent president really should have anywhere from a 10-20% lead while the other party is having its candidates savage each other left and right.”
Reality says:
Feb. 2, 2004:
“Sen. John Kerry, the front-runner among Democrats vying for their party’s presidential nomination, leads President Bush in a head-to-head matchup, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday….”
Wes
February 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
Jay,
How do you think that moderates can take the party back from the extremists? I would think that most moderates have walked away from the deceit and hard line ideology that defines either party. The ones that are left are less and less likely to be able to influence the outcome of elections. You might want to rail against the lack of proportional representation or viable third parties instead.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
“Whatever it takes to slap back the grasping hand of government. Light it up!”
I’m just curious as to why so many “conservatives” fear gov’t overreach when it comes to economic issues or firearms, yet don’t mind the gov’t reach around when it comes to their private lives?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:56 pm
Aquagirl,
Reagan- Over 16 million overall jobs during his 8 years including jobs numbers from the 81-82 recession.
Obama?- Negative 428,000 over 3 years into his administration.
Just the facts sweetie. Just the cold hard facts ma’am.
Want some more facts honeybunny?
Reagan- 21 million jobs created from the bottoming out of the recession.
Obama- what is it? 2 million or so jobs since the bottom of the recession which ended a whole 40 days into his presidency. The recession officially ended in March 2009. Just the facts dear.
Some more facts my dear?
Reagan 2 1/2 years into his presidency economic growth at an astounding 7% rate of growth.
Obama 2 1/2- 3 years into his presidency? 1.7% economic growth. Seriosuly? Just the facts toots. Just give me the facts ma’am.
Reagan- In his best month 1.1 million new jobs were created.
Obama- his best month we had 257,000 jobs created- less than 1/4 of Reagan’s top number.
JUST THE FACTS! That’s all I want sweets.
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JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:57 pm
jewcowboy – what do you call our campaign to repeal Obamacare if not to get government out of our private lives?
md
February 22nd, 2012
4:57 pm
Was waiting for Jay to respond to my imaginary post on this thread too, but he let me down…so:
“I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness.”
Welcome to the club…..now you know how it feels.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
4:57 pm
I agree with Jay. Oy.
See, cons, it’s possible when a Republican spews the crazy you can just say “oy” with the rest of us. All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
JohnnyReb
I did not see that come up in a Google search of Reagan’s speeches in 1983 to the National Association of Evangelicals annual convention.
Have you a link?
jm
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
“yet don’t mind the gov’t reach around when it comes to their private lives?”
JC
Plenty of us fiscal conservatives do. If the libertarian party was reasonable and had a shot at winning, we’d vote L. But given a choice between D or R, go R this round.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
I’m just curious as to why so many “conservatives” fear gov’t overreach when it comes to economic issues or firearms, yet don’t mind the gov’t reach around when it comes to their private lives?
Me too. It reminds me of people who’ve been locked in prison for most of their life. They wanna be left alone and not bothered by anybody, yet they can’t go to the bathroom or bed without being ordered to do so by an authority figure.
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
The man is a mental-midget utterly lacking in any moral courage and intellectual honesty.
As such, he is the perfect standard bearer for today’s gawdawful GOP…
jm
February 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Aqua 4:57 – I fully expect you to resume your vitriol when I next disagree with Jay.
I figured it out
February 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
It occurs to me that Santorum may in fact be a closet homosexual. He has all the makings of a butty boy who doesn’t know it. Booyakasha and res
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:00 pm
JohnnyReb
“what do you call our campaign to repeal Obamacare if not to get government out of our private lives?”
Incredibly short-sighted and daft?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:00 pm
They BOTH suck,
Rasmussen just had a poll O leading Santorum 46-44. I believe O has a much better chance against Santorum than Romney but as I said at this point O should have a much bigger lead. Now Jay just went out and found the exception to the rule but generally from what I’ve seen historically the incumbent usually has an edge notwithstanding the exception that Jay can drudge up here and there.
Is that all ya got Jay? You came light did ya?
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
Thulsa Doom @ 4.56,
How are those cherries today?
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
JohnnyReb
“what do you call our campaign to repeal Obamacare if not to get government out of our private lives?”
I’m not gonna wait for jewcowboy. He takes too long.
I call it “Republicans letting people continue to be irresponsible and not provide for themselves and their families because they want other people to pay to take care of them when they get sick.”
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
“All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.”
Now that is funny
A big applause for Aquagirl regardless of your political leanings
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
To Santorum’s credit, he speaks his mind. If people want to buy what he’s selling, that’s their prerogative.
I figured it out
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
…ek. As in, “booyakasha and respek.” I think perhaps Rick needs to spend some time in a toilet stall at salt lake airport to figure his sh…er…stuff out.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:02 pm
Paul – here’s a link to Limbaughs site. Scroll down to Reagan’s photo and click to see the video. The transcript is there also.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/02/22/revisiting_reagan_s_evil_empire_speech
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:02 pm
TD
Like I said I could be wrong, but I don’t give Santorum much of a chance. Romeny is another story for sure
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:03 pm
Brosephus,
“They wanna be left alone and not bothered by anybody, yet they can’t go to the bathroom or bed without being ordered to do so by an authority figure.”
That would seem to jibe with the RNC’s preference of bondage-themed nightclubs featuring topless women dancers imitating lesbian sex.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm
dernit. HP missed estimates. Meg is dumping all the bad stuff into this quarter. Tomorrow should be fun.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
And can someone tell me why doomy’s babbling about Ronald Reagan? Are they going to dig the poor man up and tote him into the brokered convention?
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
Paul,
“I’m not gonna wait for jewcowboy. He takes too long.”
Are you calling me slow?
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
“All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.”
Please tell us what that looks like as I’m guessing you may have been the only one to see it.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
That would seem to jibe with the RNC’s preference of bondage-themed nightclubs featuring topless women dancers imitating lesbian sex.
I don’t believe that for a second. I think I need to see some video proof. Got any links
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
“To Santorum’s credit, he speaks his mind.”
I don’t give credit to people whose minds can only spew lies.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
“booyakasha and respek.”
Ali G. U r a moron.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
jm,
“Plenty of us fiscal conservatives do.”
So you just point your heels to Jesus and imagine the Chanel handbag you’re gonna buy, huh?
Ayn Rant
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
Santorum is poster boy for political and religious madness.
I lived and worked in the Netherlands. Let me list some of the concerns of the citizens and residents there.
Elderly and terminally ill people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they were denied the right to euthanasia, if they chose it of their own freewill.
Young people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they were denied the right to contraceptives, or ridiculed for sexual relations before marriage, which on the average is at 28 years of age.
Young people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they were denied free education in primary schools and universities.
Working age people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they or their dependents were denied good hassle-free medical care.
Working age people in the Netherlands would be concerned if the minimum wage were less than a living wage. They would be concerned if their economy were not growing, their commerce and industry were not competitive in the world market, and the unemployment rate were above 6%.
Poor people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they did not have a social safety net to prevent neglect and deprivation.
They need not worry; they have all that. They have the good sense to elect a government that is responsive to their needs.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
“All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.”
Please tell us what that looks like as I’m guessing you may have been the only one to see it.
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Oh shut the hell up lol you KNOW that was funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTHL0MAWkmY&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=30&feature=plpp_video
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm
‘Please tell us what that looks like as I’m guessing you may have been the only one to see it.’
The undercover officer Larry wanted to shtoop gave a full description…
Bernie
February 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm
Watching the rise of Rick Santorum is like watching the making of another young Adolph Hitler part II.
Similiar actions and claims used in Ricks campaign mirrors those of the once revered Fuher of Germany. Santorums faceless victims are now the NON-Christians and all who disagree with his relgious dogma. Armed with a quiver of half truths, lies, and disinformation. colored with absolute, emperical and divine statements is his greatest Hallmarks to lead this conversion. His candidacy should
watched and studied to insure America is not infected with such a virus as the one we are witnessing before our very eyes today.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
Aquagirl,
“Are they going to dig the poor man up and tote him into the brokered convention?”
I wouldn’t put it past them.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/PatrickMcDonnell/ZombieRegan.jpg
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
On the bright side, if Santorum did win, there would be free aspirin for all women. I wonder what the Republican men would get. Probably more of the same — a whole lot of time to practice their master debating skills.
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
Years ago before he got destroyed trying to hold onto his US Senate seat, Ricky S said enough idiotic things to fill up hours worth of programming on Fox News.
Now that the dolt is embarrassing himself on an even bigger stage, it could take weeks to exhaust the stupidity coming out of his mouth.
Maybe he was just doing his fat b*stard imitation.
And to Jay’s point, even die-hard Republicans must be mortified at the insanely abysmal quality of the men who comprised the last two slates of GOP candidates for the White House.
I swear they are on the take and have money on BHO…
There’s only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures and the Dutch. ~Thomas Jefferson
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
jcb
I’m guessing it’s one of those things where blinding ideology does not allow one to see the conflict between those two positions.
I don’t give credit to people whose minds can only spew lies.
You could give him credit for being a fantastic liar.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
“So you just point your heels to Jesus and imagine the Chanel handbag you’re gonna buy, huh?”
JC, reduce crack intake. Rinse, repeat.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
JohnnyReb
You know I like source material. That’s why I linked to Reagan’s entire speech. Not just Rush’s extract.
Right after that Rush extract Reagan said “I have directed the Health and Human Services Department to make clear to every health care facility in the United States that the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 protects all handicapped persons against discrimination based on handicaps, including infants. And we have taken the further step of requiring that each and every recipient of Federal funds who provides health care services to infants must post and keep posted in a conspicuous place a notice stating that “discriminatory failure to feed and care for handicapped infants in this facility is prohibited by Federal law.” It also lists a 24-hour, toll-free number so that nurses and others may report violations in time to save the infant’s life.”
He talked about infants. Not the unborn.
And right before that Rush extract Reagan said “Let me state the case as briefly and simply as I can. An organization of citizens, sincerely motivated and deeply concerned about the increase in illegitimate births and abortions involving girls well below the age of consent, sometime ago established a nationwide network of clinics to offer help to these girls and, hopefully, alleviate this situation. Now, again, let me say, I do not fault their intent. However, in their well-intentioned effort, these clinics have decided to provide advice and birth control drugs and devices to underage girls without the knowledge of their parents.
For some years now, the federal government has helped with funds to subsidize these clinics. In providing for this, the Congress decreed that every effort would be made to maximize parental participation. Nevertheless, the drugs and devices are prescribed without getting parental consent or giving notification after they’ve done so. Girls termed “sexually active” — and that has replaced the word “promiscuous” — are given this help in order to prevent illegitimate birth or abortion.
Well, we have ordered clinics receiving federal funds to notify the parents such help has been given.”
See, he wasn’t about eliminating abortions for these girls. He was for parental notification.
His comments were quite a bit more thoughtful than the myth Rush constructed.
Again, here’s the entire transcript:
http://www.nationalcenter.org/ReaganEvilEmpire1983.html
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm
“You could give him credit for being a fantastic liar”
There is that! Or at least for being a CONSISTENT liar!
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm
jm,
“reduce crack intake”
In memory of Whitney, crack is whack.
Fly-on-the-wall
February 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
These Republicans with their social values talk just scare the h3ll out of me.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
Old people are senile and routinely have fears of things that may not happen to them (which is what Santorum may have ultimately been alluding to).
Mick is proof of this every day.
Orange12
February 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
The Republicans could trot out a sock puppet and still win the 2012 Presidential Election.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
jewcowboy – I will repeat what the libs said: you should rot in hell and you are the worst scum of the earth for saying something like that.
in other words:
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
Doggone
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Paul
I see you’re playing bubble pop again. You are sooooo mean!!!
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
I fully expect you to resume your vitriol when I next disagree with Jay.
Probably so, but I felt I should give proper acknowledgments for your brief foray into sanity.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
“Old people are senile and routinely have fears of things that may not happen to them (which is what Santorum may have ultimately been alluding to)”
You need to contact the Santorum campaign people NOW. Do it quick. I’m SURE they are looking for a good “hook” to explain away – again – what nonsense he spouted. Yours is really good, they might just use it!
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
These Republicans with their social values talk just scare the h3ll out of me.
These Dems with no social values scare me!
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
The Republicans could trot out a sock puppet and still win the 2012 Presidential Election.
I don’t think sock puppet Republican has ever been ahead of generic Republican in the polls. Generic Republican has been the most popular candidate to date.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
I heart Chris Christie. And Mitchy the kid Daniels.
That said, I’ll be voting Mitt 2012. For a freer and more prosperous America.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:16 pm
And can someone tell me why doomy’s babbling about Ronald Reagan? Are they going to dig the poor man up and tote him into the brokered convention?
Hell no. He’d be FAR too liberal for them. He raised taxes as governor and again as president, the biggest tax increase in U.S. history. He signed legislation in California liberalizing the abortion laws. He wasn’t interested in bashing gay people. He wanted the USA to give up ALL of its nuclear weapons.
A downright Marxist, I tell ya. They’d probably be demanding his damn birth certificate.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
“brief foray into sanity.”
Aqua, duly noted. Now back to your regular programming….
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
Jay, if Reagan was running you would be the first to blast him!
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
“The Republicans could trot out a sock puppet and still win the 2012 Presidential Election.
Well, if Mitt Romney wins the nomination, that theory will be put to a direct test.
liberalextremist
February 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
@Brosephus™ – Browning America Since 1973
I am not trying to hijack this thread…But I must say I look forward to your posts daily. Would you by chance have a younger or older brother or even a single friend who has the same mindset as you? I look forward to your response!!!!
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
Even as a zombie, Ronnie has nice hair.
Does he or doesn’t he? Only his zombie hairdresser knows for sure…
12, is the sock puppet named Elmer Fudd? LOL…
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
Interesting read here……seems to be the exact same as what Santorum said…is it bogus:
http://www.euthanasia.com/holland99.html
Time for more digging…….
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
Am I the only one who thinks a night out drinking with Jay would be pretty close to seeing George Carlin live?
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
And they would be asking why Reagan went to church so infrequently? Is he a true Christian or does he just say he is?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:20 pm
“Well, if Mitt Romney wins the nomination, that theory will be put to a direct test.”
snort! Much better than the answer I had!
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
If you have to use the H word to make a point you probably don’t have much of a point to make!
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
“A downright Marxist”
Reagan’s spending was out of control. Can we ever elect a fiscal conservative????????? (other than a Clinton)
Billy C was more of a fiscal conservative than Reagan…..
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
They’d probably be demanding his damn birth certificate.
Well, the way they’re carrying on you’d think they don’t believe his death certificate, and he’s living with Elvis in Mexico or something.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
JHC – you guys are snippy this afternoon, even Jay! Maybe you are down deep worried that Santorum will be elected?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
I knew it! Jay loves himself some Reagan!
I’m bringing up Reagan to illustrate what kind of a recovery we should be experiencing in the wake of a severe recession. Yet we have been experiencing a terribly anemic recovery. Its a simple point but yet it remains elusive to some of the Obamabots on here. No surprise there.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
Would you by chance have a younger or older brother or even a single friend who has the same mindset as you?
If you look forward to what I post, then you’d probably want to increase your expectations in life. My friends and family are quite diverse, so I don’t know if there’s anyone who has the same mindset as I do. I hope that I am one-of-a-kind, as I don’t think this world would fare too well with others who think like me.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
“Well, if Mitt Romney wins the nomination, that theory will be put to a direct test.”
budump ching!
that was tee’d up easily. However, it was still hit well.
Happy Kine and The Mirth Makers
February 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm
CORRECTION…
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Bookman a symptom of the GOP’s very deep ills!!
Very deep, indeed!
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm
Hmmmm……..
Michael Howitt Wilson, of the Alert campaign against euthanasia, said: “A lot of people in Holland are frightened to go into hospital because of this situation.”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
If you have to use the H word to make a point you probably don’t have much of a point to make!
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What in the hell are you talking about? Are you like 6? What in the hell is the “h” word?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=3&feature=plpp_video
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
“Am I the only one who thinks a night out drinking with Jay would be pretty close to seeing George Carlin live?”
Not if he wears that ball cap from the vacation photo – he looked like the Gloucester Fisherman!
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
Even Newsmax is noting Flip’s new attack strategy.
Their headline screams:
Romney’s $55 Million Negative Attack Machine Now Targets Santorum
Mitt Romney and his supporters are spending more than $4 million in the battle for next Tuesday’s must-win Michigan primary, funding a barrage of negative attack TV ads aimed at Republican presidential rival Rick Santorum. But the spending spree is nothing new for the Romney campaign, which spent $18.8 million in January, while a pro-Romney super PAC dished out nearly $14 million in Florida, 20 times the amount spent by any other group — mostly for attack ads against Newt Gingrich.
I’m guessing that that dipstick Christopher Ruddy is no Flip Romney fan…
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:25 pm
Barry Goldwater………….. Would he be regulated to back-bencher status in the Republican Party today or even run out of town?
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.
…..
The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom…. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in ‘A,’ ‘B,’ ‘C,’ and ‘D.’ Just who do they think they are?… I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:25 pm
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
JHC – you guys are snippy this afternoon, even Jay! Maybe you are down deep worried that Santorum will be elected?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im_5QdHp04E&feature=autoplay&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&lf=plpp_video&playnext=1
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
I’m bringing up Reagan to illustrate what kind of a recovery we should be experiencing in the wake of a severe recession. Yet we have been experiencing a terribly anemic recovery.
And exactly how would one compare a national recession vs a global recession in terms of recovery? Reagan’s issues were nowhere near as complex as what we’re facing now, if I remember correctly. I was a young’un then, so I might not remember everything correctly, but I don’t remember the entire world being knee deep in sh*t back then.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
JohnnyReb @ 5:24
That was funny…
Hope all is well with you and yours
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
“Am I the only one who thinks a night out drinking with Jay would be pretty close to seeing George Carlin live?”
More like seeing Karl Marx live. Even though both are dead.
Someone either hasn’t kept up with the news or is anticipating “Night of the Living Dead”
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
There are so many elderly in the Netherlands, I hear it is about to tip over.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:27 pm
Jay,
“He’d be FAR too liberal for them”
Not Zombie Reagan. He’s gotten bitter. Plus he doesn’t really remember very much.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm
TD
Those are great analogies with Reagan, but Santorum quoting them or clicking his heels in efforts to invoke Reagan is not the same thing
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:30 pm
Me thinks Jay didn’t do his homework:
http://jme.bmj.com/content/25/1/16.full.pdf+html?sid=3b909a4b-52b3-4cc5-ae18-ab2a0b5686ea
“2. LIFE-TERMINATING ACTIONS WITHOUT EXPLICIT REQUEST
The survey confirms that the intentional shortening
of patients’ lives without explicit request
remains far from uncommon. Nine hundred
patients had their lives ended without explicit
request in 1995, representing 0.7% of all deaths,
only a slight decrease on the 0.8% so terminated
in 1990.’4 In other words, of the 4,500 (3,200 +
400 + 900) cases in which doctors admitted they
actively and intentionally terminated life, one in
five involved no explicit request.”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:31 pm
Johnny Reb, busting down with the one liners. I forgot about Jay and his fishing cap. He DID look like a dork (or something) there didn’t he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsaxvCCqr5o&feature=BFa&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&lf=plpp_video
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:32 pm
jewcowboy
I’d never call a guy in a CTS-V ’slow’!
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2012
5:32 pm
Billy C was more of a fiscal conservative than Reagan…..
One of these days you and your fellow conservatives will realize that the last three Democratic presidents have been more fiscally conservative than any of the Goopers since, oh, Ike.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:33 pm
Suppertime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEBFdHJIl-Y
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:33 pm
TheyBOTHSuck – same to you; we are fine, thanks.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:34 pm
Don’t like Santorum? That’s cool. Aint no biggie.
Go independent and vote for Elmer Fudd for 3 reasons!
1- Elmer’s not the pathological liar that Obama is
2- Elmer’s smarter than Obama. We can all agree on that.
3- Elmer won’t wage war on the American economy like Obama.
ty webb
February 22nd, 2012
5:34 pm
ah yes..the “Reagan inherited less of a mess than my guy” retort..you get points for loyalty though. With practice, you’ll be carrying water like jay in no time.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:34 pm
Paul,
“I’d never call a guy in a CTS-V ’slow’!”
Ah…but you forget I also have the 1982 Volvo 240 dog wagon. Even Zombie Reagan could catch me when I’m driving that.
pogo
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
Jay takes off on another fantasy diversion tour hoping that Americans will be stupid enough to not notice what a miserable failure (and quite frankly a liar) his President, Obama, has been. It is comical to watch people like Jay spin when Obama says one thing and then turns around and does another and Obama has done one hell of a lot of that. Kind of like the Super-Pac thing. He vowed not to take their money and then he did a 180 and now he welcomes their money. He crucified Bush for his energy policy and one of the first things he did after coming into office was to close down the areas that Bush had approved for offshore drilling and now that he sees in an election year that gasoline is about to go over $4 and it is about to bite him in the ass politically he turns around and says we must drill more. He said that unendingly raising the debt limit was something that he would stop and now he comes around every year wanting to do exactly that. He said his Whitehouse would be totally free of lobbyists and it is now packed with ex-lobbyists. He said that he would end earmarks and now he is all for them. He denounces big business and Wallstreet but yet he gladly takes money from them and he gives them special favour. And Jay’s reaction to all these things is silence. Total silence. The only thing that matters to liberals such as Jay is winning. They don’t care if their man is any good or not and they don’t care if he is a liar. It is just winning that matters. To my memory Jay has never ever printed one word of critisism towards Obama and if he did it was about something of little consequence. Jay is willing to overlook everything in the name of ideology. God, who would’ve thunk that our country would have ever devolved to this point. I used to respect those in the news media but they have become nothing more than paid goons for one party or the other. Jay, think of yourself as nothing but a polar opposite of what you liberals think of Fox News. The thing is, Fox News is far more objective than yourself.
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
And I don’t blame folks for maybe not wanting to go to the hospital:
In
“15% of cases where no discussion took place but
could have, the doctor did not discuss the
termination of life because the doctor thought that
the termination of the patient’s life was clearly in
the patient’s best interests.’”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
Here is jm’s typical argument lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z80P-zFJ2U&feature=related
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
md 5:30 good job
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
Well md, given that euthanesia wasn’t legal in the Netherlands until 2001, I’d say those 1994 numbers don’t mean a damn thing. In fact, the Dutch law was passed specifically to give some legal structure and discipline to what was already occurring informally.
I’d further suggest that a similar survey of US doctors and hospitals today would produce numbers very close if not higher than that.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
“To my memory Jay has never ever printed one word of critisism towards Obama”
Looks like you might be pulling a Reagan.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
drat, I missed it!
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
They BOTH suck,
Come on now. You know all the cons are going to invoke Reagan whether they are like him or not. Hell I even think some Dems invoke Reagan from time to time. Me? I like invoking Elmer Fudd since I think he would be better than Obama.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
sfd 5:32 – you forget. I was a Dem, strongly supportive of Clinton. Clinton was, however, a fiscal conservative. Obama isn’t within a million miles of qualifying as a fiscal conservative.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:38 pm
aaaannnnddd… pogo uses a diversion to accuse Jay of diverting.
It’s right out of the Saul Alinsky playbook, I tell ya’ -
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:38 pm
“I’d say those 1994 numbers don’t mean a damn thing.”
Jay thinks the Journal of Medical Ethics is a right wing publication apparently. What a maroooooooon.
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:38 pm
“3.) Not a shred of what Santorum says is true.”
Time for a retraction Jay….or does that not happen in the opinion pages?
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:39 pm
“Jay thinks…”
jm evidently does not comprehend the linear movement of time.
Soothsayer
February 22nd, 2012
5:39 pm
RepugNOwecan’ts: name your poison. Which one of these candidates can beat Barack Obama in November? Which fantasy candidate miraculously appearing at a “brokered convention” can beat Obama?
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:39 pm
Not.
a
shred.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:40 pm
Jay, this is great.
I hit ’submit comment’ before entering a comment.
The post came up with my name and the familiar script telling me where to enter my comments.
But the best part is, I relooked at it and it says my comment is awaiting moderation!
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:40 pm
“Jay thinks the Journal of Medical Ethics is a right wing publication apparently. What a maroooooooon”
Methinks you need to work on your reading comprehension. It is sadly lacking.
Peadawg
February 22nd, 2012
5:41 pm
“As a Dutch writer notes, “It would be laughable if not for the fact that Santorum is still very much in the race for the Republican nomination against Barack Obama for the presidency of the most powerful country in the world.””
Geeze…the rest of the world is laughing at the GOP.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:42 pm
Soothsayer
If there is a brokered convention that guy name Republican better get nominated………
He must be the secret weapon
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:42 pm
Peadawg,
“the rest of the world is laughing at the GOP”
So is more than half of this country.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:43 pm
pogo,
You only pointed out a mere 7 or 8 of Obama’s blatant lies. You still got another hundred or so to go.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:44 pm
Look folks. Vote Mitt. He’s as close to Libertarian as you will get in this election (if that is your political orientation). He’s socially moderate and fiscally conservative. Center of the fairway.
And he can do what needs to be done to put our fiscal trajectory and economy on a sound footing.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:44 pm
“I’d say those 1994 numbers don’t mean a damn thing.”
Jay thinks the Journal of Medical Ethics is a right wing publication apparently. What a maroooooooon.
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Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
5:44 pm
Time for a retraction Jay….
Or he’ll steal your anti-death squad bracelet.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:45 pm
Paul, I pulled down that empty comment … just keeping a tidy house, ya know.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:45 pm
Paul: aaaannnnddd… pogo uses a diversion to accuse Jay of diverting.
Doesn’t he get bonus points for doing that though? It’s not like using a double negative in a sentence or something, is it?
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:46 pm
So,is no one on the Right going to comment on how Santorum, at this stage of his career, could put out information so obviously, stunningly wrong?
Any justification for it?
Any excuse?
Is he flat-out ignorant?
Is he deliberately misleading?
Or blatantly manipulating the base?
Peadawg
February 22nd, 2012
5:46 pm
“He’s as close to Libertarian as you will get in this election (if that is your political orientation). He’s socially moderate and fiscally conservative. Center of the fairway.”
How can you tell with as much flip-flopping as he’s done? I don’t know what the hell he stands for. Atleast Santorum and Obama are consistent.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:46 pm
Thank you Bro! We needed that.
Peadawg
February 22nd, 2012
5:46 pm
“He’s as close to Libertarian as you will get in this election (if that is your political orientation). He’s socially moderate and fiscally conservative. Center of the fairway.”
How can you tell with as much flip-flopping as he’s done? I don’t know what the hell he stands for. Atleast Santorum and Obama are consistent.
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:48 pm
It started in 1984 Jay……formalized in 2000.
“In 1984 the Dutch Supreme Court ruled voluntary euthanasia was acceptable, provided doctors followed strict guidelines. But, under Dutch criminal law, physicians could still face prosecution.
In the fall 2000, the Dutch parliament voted to formally legalize the practice, making the Netherlands the first nation in the world to do so.”
Either way, the claim that Santorum was totally not telling the truth is false.
bman
February 22nd, 2012
5:48 pm
anyone, but Obama .. .. and Santorum.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:48 pm
jm,
“He’s socially moderate and fiscally conservative”
I’m so confused.
“‘Roe v. Wade has gone too far.” vs.”I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.”
“I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose.” vs “I never really called myself pro-choice.”
“This is a completely airtight kennel mounted on the top of our car.” vs “They’re not happy that my dog loves fresh air.”
“I like mandates. The mandates work.” vs “I think it’s unconstitutional on the 10th Amendment front.”
Soothsayer
February 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm
It’s all about perpetual war for profit!
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm
Jay
Well, considering all the comments that are ‘empty’ in a philosophical sense, you might want to give Molly Maids a call -
Brosephus
Does pogo get bonus points? Better yet!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXA338ro1mo
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm
Ah yes, another of those idiotic, say nothing phrases adored by the know nothing fake conservatives – “fiscal conservative”
What a laugh.
They are so uninformed they have no idea that capitalism, the very capitalism that they pretend to admire and know something about, is EXTREMELY liberal.
Just more proof that your garden-variety neo-con has NO earthly idea of what conservatism is, nor that their misuse and hijacking of the term is a long running, albeit very bad, joke…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism
Economic liberalism is the ideological belief in giving all people economic freedom, and as such granting people with more basis to control their own lives and make their own mistakes.[1] It is an economic philosophy that supports and promotes individual liberty and choice in economic matters and private property in the means of production. Although economic liberalism can be supportive of government regulation to a certain degree, it tends to oppose government intervention in the free market when it inhibits free trade and open competition, however it can also lead to the support of government intervention in order to remove private monopoly, as this limits the liberty of the poor. Economic liberalism emphasises that people should make their own choices with their money, so long as it doesn’t infringe on the liberty of others.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:49 pm
the claim that Santorum was totally not telling the truth is totally the truth.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:50 pm
How can you tell with as much flip-flopping as he’s done?
Very good question, and it’s one I’ve had for a while now.
————————
Doggone
No problem. I figured everybody had that same reaction.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
Well, most of us men don’t wear a bracelet to tell people we want to live. We have our own form of euthanasia. It’s called a wife. How many of you guys have tried to sleep with one eye open when the little woman’s mad at you? I mean, with her saying “You can’t stay awake forever, sucka”? If you don’t get a Bobbitt you’ll get a slug in the back of the head.
I’m against euthanasia. The reason is because if the rest of us have to suffer thru marriage and paying bills and dealing with kids and being bossed around like a yard dog, everybody else should too. You go thru all that and then when the Lord calls you home they hold your funeral and there’s always some a-hole that comes up to the coffin and says “Don’t he look natural?” The answer is always “No, a-hole. He’s dead! Do you understand dead? That’s about as unnatural as you can look.”
Anyhow, that’s my thoughts on the subject. Besides, we’re going to have our own Death Panels pretty soon if the Supreme Court don’t save us from Obamacare. I don’t need to be worried about what’s happening in Holland.
I would write more but Fox News is about to give us our Talking Points and I wouldn’t want to miss that. Have a good night everybody.
Peadawg
February 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
anyone, but the GOP nutjobs
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
“Either way, the claim that Santorum was totally not telling the truth is false.”
Nope, it isn’t. Santorum spoke in the present. Information based on circumstances in the past have no relevence. How about some information from NOW? Got any?
CJ
February 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
He’s socially moderate and fiscally conservative.
If only.
In fact, his previous tax plan would raise taxes on the poor and middle class. He took a mulligan on that one, and is now announcing a Bush style tax plan with across the board tax cuts on top of Bush’s across the board tax cuts…since it worked out so well the first time.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:51 pm
Paul
josef
February 22nd, 2012
5:52 pm
JAY
“… just keeping a tidy house, ya know.:
Are you free on Thursdays? Do you do floors and windows?
The thread…
How f-ing off the hinges are we when somebody this looney toons is taken seriously?
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:52 pm
Y’all have fun, gotta split…
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:53 pm
“the claim that Santorum was totally not telling the truth is totally the truth.”
We must be reading two different journals then……….don’t know about you, but I can definitely understand if some Dutch folks are a bit skittish about going into the hospital.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
5:53 pm
dude, Santorum said, ‘Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized — 10 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, they will not come out of that hospital if they go in there with sickness’
Is this true?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:53 pm
Bro just had to go and lighten things up a bit. Too damn funny.
Doomy do loves the hand on the head.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
5:56 pm
Oy, the sad thing is that he IS what’s passing for socially moderate…that’s how bat sh*t crazy and off the wall that pack of expletive deleteds are…
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:57 pm
“Nope, it isn’t. Santorum spoke in the present. Information based on circumstances in the past have no relevence. How about some information from NOW? Got any?”
Based on the historical data in the journal, I’m guessing there are plenty of skeptical Dutch, so tell me how this part may not be true.
“And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, they will not come out of that hospital if they go in there with sickness.””
That is a statement based on past occurrences……….
bman
February 22nd, 2012
5:58 pm
ripoff alert
Chevron
400 Cobb Pkwy N & N Marietta Pkwy $3.99/Gal
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:59 pm
josef
“that’s how bat sh*t crazy and off the wall that pack of expletive deleteds are”
President Santorum:
http://youtu.be/OuxdPm3sjCQ
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
6:00 pm
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
Well md, given that euthanesia wasn’t legal in the Netherlands until 2001, I’d say those 1994 numbers don’t mean a damn thing. In fact, the Dutch law was passed specifically to give some legal structure and discipline to what was already occurring informally.
I’d further suggest that a similar survey of US doctors and hospitals today would produce numbers very close if not higher than that.
Here we go again, first allow people to kill babies, next it will be old people! And then if you are against that you are far right and stupid!
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:00 pm
And for the record, I would have a hard time voting for Mr Santorum……but hit pieces like this deserve some rebuttal.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
6:01 pm
Jay
“the claim that Santorum was totally not telling the truth is totally the truth.”
Ever thought of moonlighting making commercials?
You’d be, like, soooo totally good at it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ze1neVziE&feature=related
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:03 pm
Of course the Netherlands needs to have the doctor’s do this…it’s largely below sea level, so you can’t very easily push Granma in her wheelchair over a cliff…
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:03 pm
“I’d say those 1994 numbers don’t mean a damn thing.”
And I’m welling to lay odds that they mean a great deal to any Dutch person that read those numbers and may be looking at a trip to the hospital.
But that just may be silly old me………
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:04 pm
In addition to the growing threat of Sharia Law, we must now be vigilante against Dutch law.
We are not safe…
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
6:04 pm
“And then if you are against that you are far right and stupid!”
Mr. Right wins the award for drama queen tonight.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
Mr. Right — “Here we go again, first allow people to kill babies, next it will be old people! And then if you are against that you are far right and stupid!”
. . .
. . .
No, I can’t. It’s just too easy.
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
6:05 pm
md – let’s try to break this down.
“In the Netherlands, people wear different bracelets if they are elderly. And the bracelet is: ‘Do not euthanize me”
true or untrue?
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm
md – part 2
“Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized — 10 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick.”
True or untrue?
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm
Based on the historical data in the journal, I’m guessing there are plenty of skeptical Dutch
Thank goodness we have someone to tell the Dutch what’s going on in their country.
Soothsayer
February 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm
The problem is nobody really understands Little Rickie.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
6:07 pm
josef ,
“it’s largely below sea level, so you can’t very easily push Granma in her wheelchair over a cliff…”
Granma Abigal mulch makes the tulips bloom. Made from Granma Abigal! And Granma Lijsbeth. And Grandma Margriet. And…
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:08 pm
md, your entire argument is absurd for myriad reasons.
1. The paper that you cite says that back in the mid-’90s, “the practice of voluntary euthanasia remains beyond effective control.” Reacting to such evidence, the Dutch pass a law in 2000 that does bring the practice of voluntary euthanesia under control, creating a structured system of checks and balances and oversight.
Yet you still want to cite pre-reform statistics from 15 years ago to describe what’s going on today?
2.) Let’s accept your absurd premise and say that those previous statistics are valid today. Fine. Which of Santorum’s claims become true?
He says that 10 percent of deaths in the Netherlands are the result of euthanasia. The paper that you cite from 15 years ago says it was 2.4 percent.
Off by a factor of four. Totally false, in other words. Not even close.
He says that half of deaths by euthanasia were without permission, or roughly five percent of the total deaths. The paper that you cite says 0.7 percent of total deaths were “life-terminating acts without explicit request.
Off by a factor of 7. So totally false.
He says that Dutch elderly are so scared that they wear bracelets demanding not to be euthanized. False. As in, “See, Mars, little green men from….” false.
So please, even accepting your entirely dubious claim that the stats from 15 years ago under a previous legal structure are accurate to describe today’s reality, which of Santorum’s claims can be dubbed as “true?”
pogo
February 22nd, 2012
6:08 pm
After looking at earlier posts, Jay actually stated that he did not trust the Wall Street Journal and their article about the impact of Obama’s raising the taxes on dividends and the impact of this on the people over 50. That article spelled out the metrics but Jay’s only rebuttal was that he didn’t trust them and that they had a history of biased reporting. He had nothing else to offer. And this was coming from a person who has a blog on a small-time rag with a heavily liberal bias (the AJC). The AJC has become the political equivalent of the National Enquirer. Quite frankly, it is an embarassment to the state of Georgia. And God knows we have enough embarassment’s already.
If the AJC wasn’t free on the internet, it would be done for. Nobody would pay for it. It only exists because it can attract enough advertisers on the internet to stay afloat. If the AJC actually charged people for internet access to it, they would go out of business very, very quickly.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
6:08 pm
“But that just may be silly old me…”
Bingo!
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
6:09 pm
This is all just good fun.
Though he appeals to, and will garner the votes of the most right wing extremists in the bassackwards parts of the republic, he’ll share them with the Slimy One from Georgia,
Ricky S has as much chance of winning the nomination as Auburn does of winning next year’s NCAA championship.
And poor Ron Paul. He wants so desperately to not be just another con sellout, but he just can’t help himself.
That Flip is even remotely challenged by these three nitwits is a testament to what a lousy candidate he is…
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
6:09 pm
So, is md backing up Santorum’s claim that the old folks in the Netherlands wear bracelets telling folks not to euthanize them or what.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:09 pm
Jewcowboy
And we wonder how it happened in Iran? Khomeini didn’t have nothin on this one…
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
6:11 pm
rivercard
http://factcheck.org/2012/02/santorums-bogus-euthanasia-claims/
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
6:12 pm
TaxPayer,
“So, is md backing up Santorum’s claim…”
Again: http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/
“In reality, we often base our opinions on our beliefs, which can have an uneasy relationship with facts. And rather than facts driving beliefs, our beliefs can dictate the facts we chose to accept. They can cause us to twist facts so they fit better with our preconceived notions. Worst of all, they can lead us to uncritically accept bad information just because it reinforces our beliefs. This reinforcement makes us more confident we’re right, and even less likely to listen to any new information. And then we vote.”
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
6:12 pm
Without putting words into MDs mouth………. I think what he was trying to say when he posted “hit piece” was that it didn’t fit his ideology and he didn’t like a Republican candidate being called out for what they themselves said………
MD……… Glad I could help. Seems they were ganging up on you for a minute
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm
Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized — 10 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick.”
Well, it would sure fix the Social Security and Medicare problem. Dead people don’t draw pensions or need medical care. We could just arrange for the local SS office to make a call on a person’s 65th birthday and say they need to talk to him about his benefits. When the geezer got there he’d meet a bunch of people in white coats and . . . heck, do I need to spell it out for you?
It would be alot better than a tax increase. Anything but a tax increase. Can you tell I’m a Republican?
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm
Mr. Right wins the award for drama queen tonight.
It’s WAY too early to award the prize, jc. We’re not even to the swimsuit competition yet.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm
He says that Dutch elderly are so scared that they wear bracelets demanding not to be euthanized. False.
Aw, and I was just headed over to eBay to look for one. I love trendy accessories!
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm
pogo @ 6:08
Yet you come back over and over to post
The irony has surely not gone over your head
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
6:14 pm
Folks in the Netherlands avoiding health care in their country because they may die? I dunno if that’s true but there is no doubt that Canadians have to come to the U.S. border cities to get treatment in their health care rationed society.
http://www.freep.com/article/20090820/BUSINESS06/908200420/Canadians-visit-U-S-get-health-care
http://blog.heritage.org/2010/02/09/the-canadian-patients%e2%80%99-remedy-for-health-care-go-to-america/
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
6:15 pm
Jay,
“We’re not even to the swimsuit competition yet.”
Really?
http://tinyurl.com/7p57943
Mr. Snarky
February 22nd, 2012
6:15 pm
They’re desperate. They lie. And they shall be defeated.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:15 pm
How off the hinges are we when somebody this looney toons is taken seriously?
Now THAT is a serious question, Josef.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
6:16 pm
“3.) Not a shred of what Santorum says is true.”
Time for a retraction Jay….or does that not happen in the opinion pages?
you first.
just yesterday you were spouting nonsense about Obama, all by his lonesome, raising credit card interest rates.
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
6:16 pm
Paul,
Thanks, but I know it’s false. I am just trying to break it down for md into small pieces so he can’t spew his broad based nonsense.
In the last few years my disagreement with the right has morphed into complete disdain. They have become unhinged. I love the looks on their faces when I tell them that quite honestly Obama is much too conservative for my taste.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:17 pm
jewcowboy, now THAT’S a drama queen …
… or Moby Dick, the great white whale, I’m not sure which.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:19 pm
“They shoot horses, don’t they?”
–Thomas Jefferson
Soothsayer
February 22nd, 2012
6:19 pm
Well, good night everyone. I’m off to watch it all on the tellyvision. WARNING! Blatantly religious content!
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:19 pm
Thanks for the photo JC. After looking at that phot, I bought a ticket to Amsterdam and I am NOT going to wear one of those bracelets…
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
6:20 pm
Jay,
“or Moby Dick, the great white whale, I’m not sure which.”
Appearance deceives, he is actually Captain Ahab, and the GOP is Moby Dick.
“to the last I grapple with thee; from hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee.”
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
6:21 pm
rivercard
“my disagreement with the right has morphed into complete disdain.”
No pity? Not even a shred? It’s the Christian thing to do. “Forgive them, for they know not what they do.”
“I love the looks on their faces when I tell them that quite honestly Obama is much too conservative for my taste.”
Worked in a place with a guy who loved to hold court and quote the latest Rush stuff. One day I walked by his gathering, looked at him and said “you know what your problem is? You’re too damn liberal” and I kept on walking
A couple of the more astute types laughed at the look on his face.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
6:22 pm
jewcowboy
So many good lines to put in the thought bubble above Newt.
unfortunately, none of them would ever make it out of moderation, except for “I wonder how long ’till Calista gets back?”
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
6:23 pm
Anywho…now that I’ve left that lovely image seared into the minds of you dear folks, let’s hope it doesn’t return in your dreams this evening.
As Ralph Wald Emerson was so apt to say, “I’m outta here suckas!”
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:23 pm
As for the bracelets, he was a tad off:
“In 1990, the Dutch Patients’ Association, a disability rights organization, developed wallet-size cards which state that if the signer is admitted to a hospital “no treatment be administered with the intention to terminate life.” Many in Holland see the card as a necessity to help prevent involuntary euthanasia being performed on those who do not want their lives ended, especially those whose lives are considered low in quality. (31)
In 1993, the Dutch senior citizens’ group, the Protestant Christian Elderly Society, surveyed 2,066 seniors on general health care issues. The Survey did not address the euthanasia issue in any way, yet ten percent of the elderly respondents clearly indicated that, because of the Dutch euthanasia policy, they are afraid that their lives could be terminated without their request. According to the Elderly Society director, Hans Homans. “They are afraid that at a certain moment, on the basis of age, a treatment will be considered no longer economically viable, and an early end to their lives will be made.” (32)”
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:23 pm
… still awaiting word on what Santorum got right.
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
6:23 pm
I’m hoping that Mr. Santorum will prove his spiritual mettle in tonight’s “debate” and start speaking in tongues…
Wow. The always interesting Ted Turner pens a fantastic article titled, “Stop Keystone pipeline before it’s too late.”
Great stuff here with a ton of compelling facts…
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/22/opinion/turner-keystone-pipeline/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:25 pm
What I can’t understand is why O’bozo isn’t touting Obamacare as a major achievement during his first term. Santorum regularly uses this legislation as an example of government excess and overreach. Oh, maybe this is why:
“According to the latest Rasmussen poll of likely voters, Americans support the repeal of Obamacare by a margin of 15 percentage points — 53 to 38 percent. This marks the 27th consecutive Rasmussen poll, spanning nine months’ time, that shows double-digit support for repeal.”
Excuse me for a few minutes, I have a hot dog to roast on my flambé de la quran.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:26 pm
Bracelet = card in wallet
1990 = 2012
Still havn’t gotten to the part where Santorum was correct anywhere in his statement…
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
6:27 pm
Paul – is every office required to have a Rush regurgitator? I may steal your line next time I get a chance.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
6:27 pm
dang it md @ 6:23
I was trying to help you……………….. “Some men you just can’t reach………………..”
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:27 pm
‘What I can’t understand is why O’bozo…’
And, I stopped reading…
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:30 pm
“just yesterday you were spouting nonsense about Obama, all by his lonesome, raising credit card interest rates.”
You may want to research why the credit card company’s raised their rates before looking so silly…..
And yes, Mr Obama signed that bill………..
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
6:31 pm
“… still awaiting word on what Santorum got right.”
It took less time for the Buddha to receive enlightenment than it’ll take for that answer to arrive -
Pleasant evening, all -
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
6:32 pm
F. Sink – that 53% will be the first ones in line to sign up their previously uncovered 23 year old child. Same as the family leave – hate it till they have it. Nature of being conservative- Scared of change even when it is positive. We would still be figuring out how to round off that wheel if we depended on conservatives to move the world forward.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:32 pm
Why is it the one demanding retractions is the one most in need of issuing retractions…
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:32 pm
md, if I have to write a retraction, I have to know what I’m retracting:
What specifically did Santorum get right?
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2012
6:33 pm
I also heard that Santorum correctly predicted that Satan would take America in 2008!
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
6:33 pm
“Here we go again, first allow people to kill babies”
Except we don’t.
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:34 pm
“Reacting to such evidence, the Dutch pass a law in 2000 that does bring the practice of voluntary euthanesia under control, creating a structured system of checks and balances and oversight. ”
Jay…..they implemented guidelines in 1984 too…..and if one cared to do the research will see that part of the problem was doctors not following the guidelines……falsifying death certificates was mentioned in several articles I looked at. To follow that up, recent surveys have Dutch doctors admitting there will always be bad apples……..
Not a problem……you are more than welcome to participate in their hospital system knowing the above, but it seems there is a percentage that would prefer not to.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm
rivercard
“I love the looks on their faces when I tell them that quite honestly Obama is much too conservative for my taste.”
Likewise.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm
Why did the credit card companies raise rates?
For the same reason that dogs lick themselves,
Because they could.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:38 pm
Not going to answer md?
Fine.
So much for that retraction request, I guess.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm
Still havn’t gotten to the part where Santorum was correct anywhere in his statement…
I’m sure md will bust out further citations from an organization with a P.O. box in Steubenville, OH, telling us what’s going on in the Netherlands. Because when I want to know about frightened elderly Dutch people, Ohio is the logical place for that information.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm
In the good news for lib ilks pile, the O’bozo administration has been making great strides towards their goal of increasing energy prices beyond which most Americans can only imagine. As O’bozo’s Energy Secretary said:
“Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”
Gotta love them euro-socialists!
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm
“What specifically did Santorum get right?”
You can start with the part about being afraid to go to the hospital……unless you have newer evidence that suggests that is no longer true. Then you can lump the rest into something kin to 57 states…..
From what I have been reading, he got the gist of the story right……….
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2012
6:40 pm
Dear Sinkwich, you just proved Obama has a chink in his armor.
TM
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
Jay likes the guy who goes to church to hears and support “god dam America”. Oh yeah Jay he tried to walk back from that but he is still your man. If that ain’t a deep ill I don’t know what is.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
“I love the looks on their faces when I tell them that quite honestly Obama is much too conservative for my taste.”
Because they can’t believe Marxists still exist in this day and age?
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
Seems many here have an aversion to reading……..posting silly nonsense instead of using the google.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
6:42 pm
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm
Mr. Right wins the award for drama queen tonight.
Looks like I’ll have to up my game.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:43 pm
‘Seems many here have an aversion to reading……..posting silly nonsense instead of using the google.’
Step away from the mirror…
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:44 pm
SINKWICH
“Because they can’t believe Marxists still exist in this day and age”
Just goes to show you can’t believe half of what you see or hear…that ilk all seem to have a few hiding under the bed and behind the drapes…
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
“Dear Sinkwich, you just proved Obama has a chink in his armor.”
For shame, Rag, didn’t you know the Lib ilk PC police at ESPN fired a guy for writing that???
Jay is gonna be really upset…
Just sayin’
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
jcb – since Bro was outted the other day as a white guy, are you sure that isn’t a picture of him trying to get a little darker for us
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
‘And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. ‘
Jay, I think this is the part the md has ‘proven’ to be correct…based on his trip to the google…
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm
Welcome to the Boomtown Bro, there are many like you here. Be careful though. The far right will call you a leftist and a lib now.
And the far left will call you a wingnutand a con and ASSUME you get all your info from Fox and talk radio.
And that wouldn’t be right, right Fred?
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:48 pm
Of course, the fact that the Dutch press seems to find this whole idea ridiculous and laughable argues strongly for the other side, but …
ty webb
February 22nd, 2012
6:48 pm
Santorum is a politician…he lies… and it doesn’t depend on what the definition of “is’ is.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:50 pm
JAY
Back to that “how off the hinges are we” that he could be taken seriously, what can you say when people still walk among us who actually spout that Obama is a Marxist, Euro-Socialist and what have you and actually DO believe it…that’s just how bloody ignorant we have become. Call me an elitist uppity snob, but it’s proof that a little education is a dangerous thing…
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:53 pm
“Why did the credit card companies raise rates?
For the same reason that dogs lick themselves,
Because they could.”
Are you folks really that dense when it comes to business practices?
Cut off revenue from one source, they go to another…….simple math. It sure as hell isn’t coming from their pockets……you bunch of dummies. But instead of actually being able to charge the folks that weren’t paying their bills now they spread it around to everybody.
But I guess those on the left like paying for their neighbors boat…..but it is usually with someone Else’s money……now it’s yours.
Mighty Righty
February 22nd, 2012
6:53 pm
Read before judging.
http://www.euthanasia.com/holland99.htm
Seems old people in the Netherlands do carry letter to keep dosctors from killing them under their euthanasia law.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:54 pm
JAY
“Of course, the fact that the Dutch press seems to find this whole idea ridiculous and laughable argues strongly for the other side, but…”
Well, they can afford that luxury…we can’t…except maybe in the sense of gallows humor…
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:55 pm
“Step away from the mirror…”
Out of curiosity, have you done any research on the subject…..read any of the links…..or just rah rah sis boom bah behind the head cheerleader??
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:57 pm
“Of course, the fact that the Dutch press seems to find this whole idea ridiculous and laughable argues strongly for the other side, but …”
Of course they do…..I wouldn’t want folks poking around in my dirty laundry either……..
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
6:58 pm
“…verging on collective madness”
*************************************************************************
These people try to stabilize their distorted reality and maintain their perception of safety.
We need to understand the hidden patterns that motivate these people.
They are Narcissists and Borderlines.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:58 pm
I think all the concerns about O’bozo and his lib ilk sycophants intruding into very aspect of our lives is exaggerated. Oh wait, what’s this?
“The Obama administration is working on setting nutritional standards for foods that children can buy outside the cafeteria.”
Michelle’s food Gestapo coming to a neighborhood near you!
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:00 pm
“Read before judging.”
I’m beginning to think that many here haven’t read anything other than this blog for a very long time………….
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
7:02 pm
Santorium will be proven to be….not Presidential in short order, but dismiss the GOP at you’re own peril, they just have to get the indy’s mildly interested…I’m not counting out the left either, but it’ll take a Biden\Clinton swap
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
7:03 pm
Cut off revenue from one source, they go to another…….simple math. It sure as hell isn’t coming from their pockets……you bunch of dummies. But instead of actually being able to charge the folks that weren’t paying their bills now they spread it around to everybody,
And the clueless dummy award goes to the poster of the above. So you mean that cut off from earning fees with deceptive practices, manipulation of processing to maximize fees and from misleading disclosure practices (among many other practices) that they actually raise rates so that people who borrow money understand its true cost….and that is the President’s fault. Utterly clueless.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
7:03 pm
SINKWICH
What forum did Michelle choose to announce her cause of nutrition and childhood obeisity and why that choice?
josef
February 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm
CAT
Dismissing Santorum, imuo, is so much whistling past the graveyard…
Mighty Righty
February 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm
Obama’s new tax on oil companies is a tax on the poor. The poor who are too stupid to understand basic economics. All increases in cost of commodities is passed on to the end user in the form of increased prices. Just like the present increase in the wholesale price of oil that increase is added at the pump, on airline tickets, public transportation, price of food, utilities, and everything that consumers use. It is a tax. It is a tax. It is a tax. A well known quote is “the art of tazation is to shear the sheep as close as possible without the sheep minding.” Obama is an expert at taxation. His program of confiscating money from the poor while making them believe he is doing them a favor. He is brilliant. He takes from the poor and gives to his rich friends. Amazing.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
7:06 pm
“I’m beginning to think that many here haven’t read anything other than this blog for a very long time”
Sounds like it’s time for you to expand your horizons then.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:09 pm
“And the clueless dummy award goes to the poster of the above. So you mean that cut off from earning fees with deceptive practices, manipulation of processing to maximize fees and from misleading disclosure practices (among many other practices) that they actually raise rates so that people who borrow money understand its true cost….and that is the President’s fault. Utterly clueless.”
You keep posting that nonsense…..but the truth of the matter is if those items were occurring to various individuals a targeted policy could have been put in place to address those issues……they didn’t need to re-paint the whole house to fix a nick in wall.
By re-inventing the wheel, the rest of us will now make up the difference for those that weren’t paying their bills.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
Utterly clueless.
can I get an amen?
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
@TM
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
Jay likes the guy who goes to church to hears and support “god dam America”. Oh yeah Jay he tried to walk back from that but he is still your man. If that ain’t a deep ill I don’t know what is.
************************************************************************************
Republicans like the guy (Santorum) who says being gay is akin to beastiality.
How DISGUSTING.
“As a man thinketh so is he.”
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
I have been saying for sometime here that this country is dumbing down and Republicans are leading the way. I have been called stupid, ignorant, Socialist and Communist, just to name a few. Santorium’s strong showing so far only validates what I’ve been saying all along. Maybe we have enough intelligent Democrats and independents, for now, to keep this crazed man out of the White House. Still, the handwriting seems to be on the wall for America. Sooner or later, we will be just another third world country with idiots for leaders.
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
josef
you could be right (pardon the pun)…I live and travel in conservative circles, I don’t know anyone who talks about him…or anyone else for that matter….most if not all will go out and vote for the R…no matter…i don’t see the the true independents voting for Santorum
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
“Sounds like it’s time for you to expand your horizons then.”
I did….how about you? Or did you just take Jays word for it?
bman
February 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
““I’m beginning to think that many here haven’t read anything other than this blog for a very long time”
Other than cnbc.com, this is my only news-related stop.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
7:12 pm
“i did….how about you? Or did you just take Jays word for it?”
You did? Really? You seem to be here a LOT for someone with expanded horizons.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:14 pm
@F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:58 pm
I think all the concerns about O’bozo and his lib ilk sycophants intruding into very aspect of our lives is exaggerated. Oh wait, what’s this?
“The Obama administration is working on setting nutritional standards for foods that children can buy outside the cafeteria.”
Michelle’s food Gestapo coming to a neighborhood near you!
***************************************************************************************
HOLD UP SINK
Santorum says being gay is akin to beastiality.
The cons ilk sycophants intruding into every aspect of peoples’ lives.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:14 pm
As the backup cheerleader enters stage right……..
josef
February 22nd, 2012
7:16 pm
CAT
I certainly hope you’re right (no pun intended here either!) but given what’s been the tone of this campaign season, nothing would surprise me…
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:16 pm
“You did? Really? You seem to be here a LOT for someone with expanded horizons.”
How many articles did you read on this subject Dog? I’ve got 5 pages open reading various accounts……it’s called not taking Jay’s word for it.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:17 pm
So what was the truthful gist of the story that Santorum presented regarding the Dutch. Was it the ten percent of the elderly being involuntarily euthanized? Or was it something else.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm
Read before judging.
Too late, the Dutch Society To Euthanize All The Old Folks has obviously hacked your link and replaced it with a 404-file not found message. Damn, this conspiracy is huge.
I would suggest you post again but they’ll probably get to you before you can do that. If it’s any consolation we will always remember your heroic effort.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm
I’ve got 5 pages open reading various accounts……it’s called not taking Jay’s word for it.
find anything I got wrong yet, md?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
I have been saying for sometime here that this country is dumbing down and Republicans are leading the way. I have been called stupid, ignorant,
carlosgvv,
Well carlos you did posit the idea on the general lee commentary the other day that the confederate flag should be outlawed. If that aint stupid and ignorant than what is? Stupid and dumb is when one person doesn’t like a symbol and therefore thinks it should be outlawed. You can’t legislate thought or feelings and most of all free speech. And this is from a guy who does not support the confederate flag. I just don’t think you can make a law against it just cause you don’t like it. People with views like you are nothing short of scary.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm
‘You can’t legislate thought or feelings and most of all free speech. And this is from a guy who does not support the confederate flag. I just don’t think you can make a law against it just cause you don’t like it. People with views like you are nothing short of scary.’
Just wondering about your thoughts on the proposed mosque near the 9/11 memorial in NY…
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm
It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the Republican Party, but it’s also bad for the Democrats, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.
Jay–I’m almost hearing a begrudging respect for conservatives here. Quite a contrast to the rest of your columns to date.
You can look back as far as you want in this blog and the old W2W blog and you’ll see me criticizing the religious whackos who have nearly ruined the Republican Party. I personally see no need to pander to them because they likely aren’t voting for the Dem candidate anyway. Why alienate the rest of the voters in the process?? Of course, the primaries are a different story in which the whacko support can make or break the candidate, which is where the difficulty may begin.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:27 pm
“Santorum says being gay is akin to beastiality.
The cons ilk sycophants intruding into every aspect of peoples’ lives. ”
So Santorum says something, which you haven’t proved, and somehow that’s the same thing as using the power of government to force certain behavior from the masses.
Got it.
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
When this supposed serious candidate for President of the United States can’t get half of the facts straight in any given story, is it any wonder your garden variety con can’t either?
It is now part and parcel of their twisted Bushist ideology that they all get from the same handful of demented oracles.
The whole frigging gang is one large walking logical fallacy…
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:32 pm
“A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that Washington state cannot require pharmacists to dispense emergency contraceptives if to do so violates their religious beliefs.”
Bummer for lib ilks…
I feel your pain.
Not really.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:33 pm
Bush!!!!!
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm
In an interview with the Associated Press (AP) taped on April 7, 2003 and published April 20, 2003, Santorum stated that he believed mutually consenting adults do not have a constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts. Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, and bestiality, whose decriminalization he believed would threaten society and the family, as they are not monogamous and heterosexual.
The man is a virulent xenophobe and Frank, as always, knows nothing of what he speaks. And even if he did, he loves this type of asshat…
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm
“find anything I got wrong yet, md?”
As I said, it seems he got the gist of the story correct……some folks are afraid to go to the hospital….some folks do carry a card in their wallet directing not to euthanize….and past data does show that Dutch doctors have put people down involuntarily…….
You are more than welcome to ignore all that if you so wish……….as many of the sis boom bah crowd will certainly do….
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm
You keep posting that nonsense…..but the truth of the matter is if those items were occurring to various individuals a targeted policy could have been put in place to address those issues……they didn’t need to re-paint the whole house to fix a nick in wall.
By re-inventing the wheel, the rest of us will now make up the difference for those that weren’t paying their bills.
Nice volley, md. While you presented facts and formed a rational opinion, the liberals answered with condescending insults and references to dogs licking themselves. Classic.
In my case, Chase attempted to raise my interest rate from 8% to 24%, despite a perfect repayment history and a sterling FICO score. I guess it was just a coincidence that it occurred shortly before the new credit laws took effect.
Of course, your comments perfectly apply to the new health care laws as well. Instead of targeting specific problems, they came up with an overhaul that will only make things worse.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm
“A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that Washington state cannot require pharmacists to dispense emergency contraceptives if to do so violates their religious beliefs.”
Wow! And all the young lady asked for was an aspirin.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
It seems as though the gist of things is overrated these days.
Orange12
February 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
Mitt will cut taxes 20% across the board. Vote for Mitt!
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm
@Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2012
6:33 pm
I also heard that Santorum correctly predicted that Satan would take America in 2008!
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Santorum is a SYMPTOM of the GOP’s very deep EVILil and MALEVOLENTintention ((harmful influence) .
Men cannot force us to think wrongly unless we choose to agree with them.
The mind is the intellect, with reasoning being the “voice” of the mind.
Republicans speak up and take your party back from the lunatic fringe (If you have the integrity).
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
So, credit card companies charge folks interest! What on earth for. I wonder, do they have to inform the customer of their rates and how long it will take to pay off a debt at the minimum payment, etc.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:41 pm
Sinkwich, that ruling will be overturned.
Feel free to remind if I’m proved wrong, but I very much doubt you’ll have that opportunity.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:42 pm
“Santorum stated that he believed mutually consenting adults do not have a constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts.”
Says who?
Your lack of an actual quotation says volumes.
Source: Daily Kos.
Bwahahahahaha.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm
“It seems as though the gist of things is overrated these days.”
Haven’t looked at the material either huh?
It’s all there in black and white…..all one has to do is read it.
Or not……no skin off my teeth either way. I do have to say thanks to jay for bringing it to my attention……..seems the Dutch are way ahead of us on the healthcare discussion as well as bringing to light that economics may very well come into play.
Of course one won’t know that if they refuse to read up on the subject.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
“Sinkwich, that ruling will be overturned.”
Jay, of the next step is the 9th circus court, an institution so out of step with constitutional law it is routinely overruled by the SC, I fear you’re correct.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
I suspect this will answer your question, Sinkwich:
““If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn’t exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution. “
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
The gist of the story is that you cannot get almost all of the facts wrong and still say you got it essentially right.
Bruno, F&CK Chase. And Citigroup. And BoA.
Those MFers damn near ruined this country.
And of course those criminal banksters are always looking for new ways to screw people over. They’ve been doing it VERY successfully for a long, long time. So Uncle Sam shuts down one of their methods and they find another.
But NO! It’s Uncle Sam who is the bad guy.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
@F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:27 pm
“Santorum says being gay is akin to beastiality.
The cons ilk sycophants intruding into every aspect of peoples’ lives. ”
So Santorum says something, which you haven’t proved, and somehow that’s the same thing as using the power of government to force certain behavior from the masses.
Got it.
*****************************************************************
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2003, in response to comments by then-U.S. Senator Rick Santorum that were criticized as anti-gay, sex columnist and gay rights activist Dan Savage began a campaign to (in Savage’s words) “memorialize the Santorum scandal [...] by attaching his name to a sex act that would make his big, white teeth fall out of his big, empty head”.
Santorum made the comments to which Savage took offense in an April 2003 interview with the Associated Press. Discussing a recent United States Supreme Court decision striking down an anti-sodomy law, Santorum compared the right to consensual (homosexual) sex within the home to
polygamy, incest and adultery, and made references to bestiality and child sexual abuse in the
context of distinguishing them from monogamous, heterosexual marriage as forms of deviant sexual behavior.
GOT IT SINK?
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
7:48 pm
AmVet (love today’s tag by the way): The whole frigging gang is one large walking logical fallacy
For a second……just a second mind you……i just knew you were gonna say “phallic” instead o “fallacy”.
My mind continually lives in the gutter. Sorry.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
“In my case, Chase attempted to raise my interest rate from 8% to 24%, despite a perfect repayment history and a sterling FICO score. I guess it was just a coincidence that it occurred shortly before the new credit laws took effect. ”
Same with me Bruno……and when I called, they were straight up with me…..no, they didn’t like having to screw their good customers…..yes it was because they had to make up for the bad ones…..and yep, I still paid off my balances.
And you are dead on with the ACA……but the gimmes here will never see that.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
Sinkwich
Let me get the quote correct for you………. Slow your roll on your own talking pts
“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_controversy_regarding_homosexuality
Next
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 pm
Do you know how to read standard, written English? If so, tell me exactly what the sixth and seventh words in that post are.
Frankie, have you ever even heard of the Associated Press???
They ain’t Daily Kos, Arnold Einstein…
Ninja
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 pm
Why do democrats keep bringing up Reagan? We need to move far, far away from that idiocy. If democrats don’t do it, nobody will.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
“The gist of the story is that you cannot get almost all of the facts wrong and still say you got it essentially right.”
When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??
The correlation to what Santorum said is there in black and white……read it.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, and bestiality
I wonder if Sanitarium is a closet weirdo. I bet he has a thing for clowns dressed like lions who love to jump through hoops in high heels.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm
“So Uncle Sam shuts down one of their methods and they find another.
But NO! It’s Uncle Sam who is the bad guy.”
And that’s correct if you would open your eyes……Uncle Sugar could have fixed the problem without affecting as many in collateral damage…..they chose not to.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm
‘When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??’
Obama was off by a much lower percentage than Santorum…
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:54 pm
It’s well established in constitutional law that pharmacists have no such right, Sinkwich. If they want to be pharmacists, they have a professional obligation to dispense all legally available prescribed drugs. If that bothers them, they can solve the problem by ceasing to be pharmacists.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
7:54 pm
It’s all there in black and white…..all one has to do is read it.
Yeah, there’s your 411 from Steubenville, Ohio, the REAL pulse of the Netherlands.
What a fascinating example of how a wingnut pretzels their thinking. Watching md go through this process was strangely compelling—kind of like watching video of an ant attacked by a brain fungus.
bman
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm
“I bet he has a thing for clowns dressed like lions who love to jump through hoops in high heels”
I’m still thinking this one over.. ..
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm
Haven’t looked at the material either huh?
Given that you failed to cut and paste the gist of things including the wearing of the bracelets and the ten percent euthanized involuntarily, what do you expect me to find upon a reading for myself. Do I need to order a decoder ring first.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm
Sinkwich
I bet you think he didnt say the following as well……….. Thought so
Here is what Santorum told NPR about the role of government in 2006:
“This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone … [that] government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. … Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.”
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
7:57 pm
md, I did.
The man misspoke horribly. He does it regularly. He is a consummate BSer. He knows just enough to get things sort of, kind of, maybe, possibly, almost right. But he is so undisciplined he just can’t pay attention to detail, because that works against his pandering, hyperbolic rhetoric and fear mongering.
I just more or less laugh at the boob for his juvenile mistakes.
DDR, combine them and you get……….phallacy!
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
If it feels good, do it!
It’s a constitutional right.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 pm
When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??
No more so than I knew what Bush meant when he said, “The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th.”
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 pm
“I’’m still thinking this one over.. ”
And I’m trying to figure out if it’s the hoops that wear high heels, or the lions!
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??
Hmmm did anyone mention the teleprompter yet? If not, you guys must be slipping……
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm
“Given that you failed to cut and paste the gist of things including the wearing of the bracelets and the ten percent euthanized involuntarily, what do you expect me to find upon a reading for myself.”
Actually, one of my first links had the journal that included the number euthanized involuntarily…..
I then posted the quote from the survey in which the Dutch admitted to being afraid to go to the hospital along with the organization that prints wallet cards for people that don’t want to be involuntarily euthanized……
It’s all there……have at it.
As for Aquagirl…….bless your heart, I know your trying.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm
“I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness.”
All I can say is it’s a good thing you didn’t grow up among the Dixiecrats in the south during the 40s and 50s. You would be in a mental ward.
“It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the Republican Party, but it’s also bad for the Democrats, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.”
I largely agree with your sentiments here. But I cannot control who runs for office. On the bright side, it seems that all of Romney’s opponents are self-destructing before our very eyes. That is why I am really, really hoping for a brokered convention and someone far more viable will take the nomination without having had to go through a grueling primary process. I like Romney all right, but he does not seem to have deep convictions about things. Paul certainly does, but he’s really out there on some issues.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
seems the Dutch are way ahead of us on the healthcare discussion as well as bringing to light that economics may very well come into play.
Good luck, md, the Lefties don’t like to acknowledge any of the drawbacks of socialized medicine.
In a Palinesque manner, Santorum seems to have misstated some of the material facts of the matter, and his timeline may be off, but the essence of his concern is rooted in reality as you have documented, md.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
DDR
I’ll say this about Santorum, call it my early childhood training, but my radar went up on him the first time I ever watched him speaking thusly. He’s what my mentors told me to watch out for.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
Debate time!
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
Actually, one of my first links had the journal that included the number euthanized involuntarily…..
And that number was …. 0.7 percent, back in the mid-90s?
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm
Uncle Sugar could have fixed the problem without affecting as many in collateral damage.
Please do enlighten me as to how…
BTW, this boneheaded move by Ricky S is not analogous to the 57 states. That was one verbal faux pas. Santorum (intentionally?) misstated at least four facts in two consecutive sentences.
bman
February 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm
doggone haha .. .. have you ever noticed the women- or least the ones with the woman-like names – post some really funny stuff. And, they’re mean! I didn’t think anyone was more mean than Midori. Then I read Aquagirl. She’s a tough one!
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:04 pm
Silly grandiose debate lead in
John king is dumb
Brosephus™ - "Browning America Since 1973"
February 22nd, 2012
8:04 pm
DDR
I will never look at clowns, lions, or high heels in the same light anymore. Now, I can only hope I don’t have nightmares after reading that.
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:05 pm
“The man misspoke horribly. He does it regularly. He is a consummate BSer. He knows just enough to get things sort of, kind of, maybe, possibly, almost right. But he is so undisciplined he just can’t pay attention to detail, because that works against his pandering, hyperbolic rhetoric and fear mongering.”
Well Am, that’s a start….at least you said “misspoke”. Now, had he said “wallet card” instead of “bracelet” and gotten the percentages exactly right (it was 7%), I’m guessing Jay doesn’t even print this edition of “who wants to believe everything I print”.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
8:05 pm
Actually, one of my first links had the journal that included the number euthanized involuntarily…..
I then posted the quote from the survey in which the Dutch admitted to being afraid to go to the hospital along with the organization that prints wallet cards for people that don’t want to be involuntarily euthanized……
It’s all there……have at it.
Or, using the md decoder ring, none of it was there, the ten percent involuntarily euthanized or the braclets. Got it.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm
Sinkwich…………. Please vote for Santorum. The RNC is hoping you don’t but who cares what they think. Be YOUR own man
“(AP) taped on April 7, 2003, and published April 20, 2003, Santorum stated that he believed mutually consenting adults do not have a constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts. Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, sodomy, and bestiality, whose decriminalization he believed would threaten society and the family, as they are not monogamous and heterosexual.”
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm
bman, you should have been around at Luckovich’s when Midori would go toe to toe with Andy, @ @, Dusty, RW and Buy Danish concurrently and all by herself.
I always considered that a fair fight!
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm
Better national anthem than trashy Roseanne barr’s version
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm
AmVet – Stop the Phallacy Party
OMG AmVet!! I fell out the chair when I read that!!!
DogGone: And I’m trying to figure out if it’s the hoops that wear high heels, or the lions!
Depends on how kinky he is…..
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 22nd, 2012
8:06 pm
They ain’t Daily Kos, Arnold Einstein…
Well, I hate to correct a fellow blogger, but it’s Norman Einstein. At least this librul can get the guy’s name right.
Carry on everybody. It’s time for the debate.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:08 pm
“md, if I have to write a retraction, I have to know what I’m retracting”
Would you ever be required to write a retraction in an opinion column, Jay? Would the AJC require it or your own conscience?
kayaker 71
February 22nd, 2012
8:08 pm
A third Santorum rant in two days. So now social issues are more important than a failing economy, no leadership on the international scene, record debt, lies, corruption…. anything that the community organizer says is OK because that nut Santorum really believes in his Catholic convictions. Now lets prey on women and convince all of them that Santorum doesn’t really care about them. That sonogram picture a couple of days ago still sticks in my mind,,,, that probe that Republicans are going to stick up your vagina when you get an abortion. Bookman, you have really gone to a new low with that picture. You said that It “is inserted “deeply” into the vagina, if I remember the quote just right. Wonder if it feels any better than what was inserted “deeply” to cause the problem in the first place. You have nothing else. GDP equals our debt or better. Unemployment is in the tank as well as home foreclosures. Millions of Americans have just quit looking. And we are concentrating on some probe inserted into some woman’s vagina. If it weren’t so damn ridiculous, it would be funny.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:09 pm
Sinkwich’s theme song when he has to get into “fight or flight” mode to defend his assertions………………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Pq0xYr3L4
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:09 pm
Silly Gingrich
Two fifty gingy
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm
I don’t know, Bro.
Lions in high heels could be kind of a turn on.
But, really I’m just into humans. Growl….
http://fashion.sinaimg.cn/cr/2012/0202/1298611931.jpg
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
8:10 pm
bman — you’ve got to let go…..
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:11 pm
Amvet
Dont be silly
Its COUGARS in heels not lions
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm
“In a Palinesque manner, Santorum seems to have misstated some of the material facts of the matter, and his timeline may be off, but the essence of his concern is rooted in reality as you have documented, md.”
Personally, it sounds like he re-told the story from a story vs sitting down and doing his homework too….but yeh, the basic facts are there……but folks will poo poo them because they don’t jive with their pre-conceived notions dictated by the lead cheerleader.
bman
February 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm
i think Santorum has done well in the last few weeks BECAUSE of no debates. He’s a very awkward looking human being.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm
And that number was …. 0.7 percent, back in the mid-90s?
Applying that number to the US, we had 2,437,163 deaths in 2009. That would mean “only” 17,060 would have been euthanized involuntarily at the 0.7 % rate. Sounds like a news story to me.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm
Yeah Romney good answer
bman
February 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm
Midori haha
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
8:14 pm
They BOTH suck, that’s right! Silly me.
I do love cougar meat…(grin)
For my favorite…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Xf6XTgohA
josef
February 22nd, 2012
8:14 pm
Towncrier
“All I can say is it’s a good thing you didn’t grow up among the Dixiecrats in the south during the 40s and 50s.”
That’s precisely what overtook the South in the 1950s and ’60s…collective madness…it isn’t the first, and won’t be the last, time and place such madness takes over. That’s why this recent series
of forays into absolute lunacy with the cast of nightmare characters from an insane asylum scares the living daylights out of me…
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:15 pm
“Please do enlighten me as to how…”
Folks were being charged higher rates subject to worthiness…..no different than one going to the car dealer and getting a higher rate because their credit sucked….but instead of targeting what cc corps can do with just those folks, the misfits rewrote the entire handbook so that the ones not paying the bills could only be charged a set amount…….which means you and I get to pay what they aren’t.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:15 pm
Grrrrrrrrrr
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
8:16 pm
Ron Paul – Delegate Hunter. A new series set to air immediately following Sarah Palin’s outdoor adventure. I wonder what he uses for bait.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
AmVet
Great tune no doubt
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
“Applying that number to the US, we had 2,437,163 deaths in 2009. That would mean “only” 17,060 would have been euthanized involuntarily at the 0.7 % rate. Sounds like a news story to me”
Heck, go whole hog! Santorum said 10%. Never mind that it’s not about the US, it’s about Holland. So exercise your amazing math skills and tell us what it WOULD BE IF it was the US.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
Silly Gingrich answer
Hamilton never envisioned a federal budget at 25% of GDP so needing jobs to balance the budget never entered into the equation
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:17 pm
““(AP) taped on April 7, 2003, and published April 20, 2003, Santorum stated that he believed mutually consenting adults do not have a constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts. Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, sodomy, and bestiality, whose decriminalization he believed would threaten society and the family, as they are not monogamous and heterosexual.”
He does have a point there, in my view. It is all about drawing lines. Ideally you want all or nothing (all sex is allowed or none). But that is impossible, so people will draw lines where they see fit. A homosexual may want to exclude bestiality or polygamy, for instance. I consider homosexuality (along with adultery, bestiality and the like) wrong on religious grounds – on the theory that if a certain and best order of things was established by a being with enough wisdom and power to create the universe and life as we know it, then a perversion of that order is wrong. But that also includes theft, murder, lying, and a host of other things. Homosexuality is not a special kind of “sin” – it is but one of many.
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:18 pm
“but folks will poo poo them because they don’t jive with their pre-conceived notions dictated by the lead cheerleader.”
As a certain 8:05 shows evidence of……
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:19 pm
I like Ron Paul
He just doesn’t have “it”
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
8:19 pm
Crier, both.
And I have done it on occasion, and work hard to make sure I keep it to a minimum.
Note that md has yet to specify what Santorum got right.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:19 pm
“Ron Paul – Delegate Hunter. A new series set to air immediately following Sarah Palin’s outdoor adventure. I wonder what he uses for bait.”
He uses AlexJones / Infowars groupies……… Those guys are big Ron Paul folks. Check out his site for the latest in FEMA camps coming to a neighborhood near you, world elite, and the Illuminati………..
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:21 pm
The Branding Dilemma For Southern Baptists and The Republican party:
Late last year, the Southern Baptist Convention completed an eye-opening study that included this fact: Knowing that a church is Southern Baptist would make four out of 10 Americans less likely to become a member of what is – for now – the nation’s largest Protestant denomination.
In the political world, this is known as unfavorable name recognition. And it’s a killer. Ask Newt Gingrich.
So this week it was no surprise that, for 24 hours, at least, leaders of the denomination considered dropping – after 166 years — one of the most iconic and successful brand names in American culture.
Republicans should pay close attention to this, for the parallels are deep and striking. The strength of both institutions is rooted in the traditional South. Membership in both is aging, white – and slowly declining. Each has problems appealing to minorities. Gender gaps are another common bond.
Finally, over the last several decades, both Southern Baptists and Republicans have created an orthodox set of beliefs to determine who, really and truly, is one of their number.
http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/02/22/the-branding-dilemma-for-southern-baptists-and-republicans/?cxntfid=blogs_political_insider_jim_galloway
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
8:21 pm
“Note that md has yet to specify what Santorum got right”
What?! “gist” isn’t good enough? You’re tough sell!
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
8:22 pm
ok, they’ve got Citizens United, couldn’t they spring for the organ grinder?
Where he at?
I’m with you cons. I’m votin for lil Ricky heehee
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:24 pm
SoCoBro: DDR – I will never look at clowns, lions, or high heels in the same light anymore. Now, I can only hope I don’t have nightmares after reading that
Giving a “Bama” nightmares….well, I guess my work here is done.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:24 pm
Jay is a “hole digger”
When faced with contravening facts, he just digs deeper
Brosephus™ - "Browning America Since 1973"
February 22nd, 2012
8:26 pm
AmVet
I’ve gotta side with TBS on cougars in heels…
md
I wasn’t quite sold on your argument until your 8:12 post. I could see thr possibility of him retelling something he’s heard before. If I buy that argument, then I’ve gotta question the logic of repeating something without investigating things for accuracy. If memory serves me correct, numerous politicians have gotten caught in that trap.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
8:27 pm
“When faced with contravening facts”
Except he wasn’t.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:29 pm
Yeah. Bad bad earmarks
Awesome
bman
February 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm
i wish Romney would sock Santorum in the eye
Brosephus™ - "Browning America Since 1973"
February 22nd, 2012
8:30 pm
DDR
Yeah, you messed me up with that one.
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:31 pm
“Note that md has yet to specify what Santorum got right.”
Depends on one’s definition of “right”…..nothing if you are looking for exact wording…..but we both know he didn’t get that part right.
As for what he did get “right”…….the basic premise of the underlying story…….
Were there folks afraid to go to the hospital due to euthanasia….yes.
Did folks have some form of system to have on their person so as not to be involuntarily euthanized…..yes.
Is there data indicating percentages of people were killed involuntarily……yes.
So you are now free to continue with your silly game of he lied, he lied, he lied.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:31 pm
Santorum doesn’t come across as a crazy
But defending earmarks is bad republican politics
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
8:31 pm
“bman, you should have been around at Luckovich’s when Midori would go toe to toe with Andy, @ @, Dusty, RW and Buy Danish concurrently and all by herself.”
OMG, you must believe in going into a gun fight with a toothpick(s). lol
Santorum will not have a chance.
Anyway, I can’t wait until health care reform kicks in.
Everyone gets coverage and the government decides what treatment granny deserves.
But, at least health care will be efficient and affordable again.
Right?
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:32 pm
Now newt is defending earmarks
Anti romney’s self destructing
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:33 pm
“Note that md has yet to specify what Santorum got right.”
Santorum has now proven himself to be unpresidential, in my opinion. I have liked a lot of what he has said – especially saying that most young people who 1) graduate from high school 2) hold a job and 3) have children after they are married do not wind up at the poverty level. That’s social conservatism at it’s best, in my view. Things usually work well if you follow the right path. But he cannot be imposing his (and my) religious views on those who are not religious and he cannot get basic facts wrong. It shows a lack of maturity and judgement.
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:34 pm
“I wasn’t quite sold on your argument until your 8:12 post. I could see thr possibility of him retelling something he’s heard before. If I buy that argument, then I’ve gotta question the logic of repeating something without investigating things for accuracy.”
Please note I never said he was smart…….he should have verified the facts as well……but there are facts that coincide with the story.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
8:36 pm
jm
“Santorum doesn’t come across as a crazy”
Say what? What planet are you on?
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:37 pm
bman: i think Santorum has done well in the last few weeks BECAUSE of no debates. He’s a very awkward looking human being.
He looks like a caricature of what an artist would draw of the class nerd. Everytime I look at him I think, “How the heck did HE get married?” I mean, how desperate was his wife?
Brosephus™ - "Browning America Since 1973"
February 22nd, 2012
8:40 pm
md
Nah, you didn’t give him THAT much credit.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:40 pm
Jm
“But defending earmarks is bad republican politics”
Seeing there aren’t many Repubs, like Dems, who do not take them………. why would he want to hide that fact?
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:41 pm
Newt is committing political malfeasance
Anti US car guys and pro foreign car guys?
Newt. Say no to crack
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
8:42 pm
@DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, and bestiality
I wonder if Sanitarium is a closet weirdo. I bet he has a thing for clowns dressed like lions who love to jump through hoops in high heels.
AND
@josef
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
DDR
I’ll say this about Santorum, call it my early childhood training, but my radar went up on him the first time I ever watched him speaking thusly. He’s what my mentors told me to watch out for.
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“AS A MAN THINKETH SO IS HE.”
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
Looks like all of the Repub candidates are doing well in tonight’s debate. It’s starting to look like the Libs early dismissal of the bunch may be a tad premature……
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
Here we go………….
Like an earlier post mentioned…… maybe Santorum will take it to the next level and speak in tongues in the next segment of the debate…………
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
Both
Wake up. Republicans STOPPED EARMARKS.
U been smoking up with Newt haven’t you?….
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
“He looks like a caricature of what an artist would draw of the class nerd. Everytime I look at him I think, “How the heck did HE get married?” I mean, how desperate was his wife?”
Pffttt….you are the very first person I have heard suggesting he is ugly or basically unattractive. He is not Brad Pitt, but few men are. I guess you wouldn’t have voted for Lincoln, huh?
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
8:44 pm
@DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:37 pm
bman: i think Santorum has done well in the last few weeks BECAUSE of no debates. He’s a very awkward looking human being.
He looks like a caricature of what an artist would draw of the class nerd. Everytime I look at him I think, “How the heck did HE get married?” I mean, how desperate was his wife?
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TOUCHE’
heeheeheehee
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:44 pm
Bruno agreed
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:45 pm
“Like an earlier post mentioned…… maybe Santorum will take it to the next level and speak in tongues in the next segment of the debate”
Last I knew, he was Catholic and not Pentacostal.
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
8:46 pm
I have spent hours searching for evidence of the flood of Dutch patients in German hospitals and the secret dutch doctor death cult. I keep coming up with nada. Must be a Godless Socialist conspiracy in conjunction with Google to keep us in the dark until Obama can get those death panels up and running.
Let’s assume there are a few paranoids in Netherlands that are afraid their Doc just can’t wait to send them on their way. No surprise. Everywhere has their share of nuts. Probably related to the ones over here with their equally absurd fears and projections.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
8:47 pm
@They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 pm
Here we go………….
Like an earlier post mentioned…… maybe Santorum will take it to the next level and speak in tongues in the next segment of the debate…………
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If he does we will need to perform an EXORCISM.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:47 pm
Ron Paul – Delegate Hunter
Coming this fall on Fox……….
He’s tough, he’s sexy, he’s the answer to every woman’s prayers…He’s Ron Paul! Fighting corporate malfesance while throwing granny from the train!!
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Also new on Fox coming this fall, a brand new hero, a man whose very name means, “Sex” and “Virility” — it’s Rick Sanitarium!! He’s just too sexy for this promo!!!
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Tonight on Fox – The Perils of Pauline! Starring Callista Gingrich as Pauline. See Callista hold on for dear life to Newt’s extra tire around his waist while he decides whether to dump her for an equally rich, and even more psuedo attractive wife!! See Callista jump to new heights as she suppresses her shudder and kisses fatboy in public!! See Callista’s hair actually MOVE when the wind blows!!
Don’t miss the new Fox lineup for the fall!!!
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:47 pm
Santorum would be a decent foe in debates against Obama
Problem is, his very socially conservative statements would be used to hang him by the Obama team
(of note, santorum is white. Hanging is not a reference to a racial lynching. Also, the post brought to you by campbell’s tasty tomato soup)
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
8:47 pm
Is Obama still hiding in the closet?
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
8:48 pm
“bman, you should have been around at Luckovich’s when Midori would go toe to toe with Andy, @ @, Dusty, RW and Buy Danish concurrently and all by herself.”
OMG, you must believe in going into a gun fight with a toothpick(s). lol
thanks for the compliment, and for bringing out the fourth toothpick.
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
8:49 pm
Obama will probably come out sporting a “faux hawk” at his first debate this year.
You know, just to connect and be cool…
bman
February 22nd, 2012
8:50 pm
debbiedocook .. .. have you seen his high school picture?
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
8:50 pm
No surprise. Everywhere has their share of nuts. Probably related to the ones over here with their equally absurd fears and projections.
Oh, god, don’t tell me they have Faux News over there too.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
8:51 pm
I have spent hours searching for evidence of the flood of Dutch patients in German hospitals and the secret dutch doctor death cult.
silly rivercard!!
they were trumped by that flood of Canadians coming to the US for much needed and denied health care.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:51 pm
Santorum is against children out of wedlock
So….. Then get rid of birth control?
Rick, please exit the house of mirrors
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:51 pm
Jm
So there are no Republican earmarks in the House or Senate?
Really?
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
8:51 pm
Sure thing, i-r-o-dim.
I enjoyed watching your sophomoric meltdowns back in the day
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:52 pm
Jm
“Problem is, his very socially conservative statements would be used to hang him by the Obama team”
You want have to worry about the Obama team. People that classify themselves as moderates and independents will do the killing on voting day
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 pm
I am watching these idiots debate……..
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity).
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 pm
Both
Prove there are earmarks republicans voted for in the last 12 months or just shut up
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 pm
oops thanks Repub — I missed ths one!
josef: I’ll say this about Santorum, call it my early childhood training, but my radar went up on him the first time I ever watched him speaking thusly. He’s what my mentors told me to watch out for
Uh huh. Remember that LOGO documentary I was telling you about, (Closeted Republicans)? He fits the profile PERFECTLY.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 pm
“So….. Then get rid of birth control?”
No, no…you’re forgetting the sex police that will make sure that unmarried people never have sex.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 pm
as did I, bat t-i-h-s
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 pm
“If he does we will need to perform an EXORCISM.”
Where is Linda Blair and the dude who played the Priest when we need them?
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm
Here rivercard….since you must have missed it earlier:
http://jme.bmj.com/content/25/1/16.full.pdf+html?sid=26248333-079c-4ade-a0b9-1a3872758d05
Then start googling off the information in that report and it is amazing what one can learn……
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:54 pm
“Coming this fall on Fox………”
Speaking of networks, I must admit I like a few of the NBC shows like The Voice. And I will still watch their news programs (especially Meet the Press) in spite of their looney liberal leanings (even Chris Matthews say some amazingly sane things at times – like the time to exercise “choice” is before conception, not afterwards).
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm
Santorum mention the author Charles Murray.
Charles Murray Examines the White Working Class in ‘Coming Apart’
This is what he said in his book:
“Illegitimacy, crime, joblessness — these are not merely the much debated pathologies of a black underclass, Murray finds. They are white people problems too.”
SANTORUM DID NOT MENTION THAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:56 pm
Jm
F you…. You dont tell me to shut up…
Go look up cry baby Lamar Alexander and his crying about Obama wanting earmarks banned
Apologize JB for that outburst at the punk a$$ hiding behind a type writer
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm
Well everyone is in favor of 2 parent households
So get rid of the marriage penalty…..
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
8:57 pm
Republicans……………………take back your party.
These candidates are self serving.
They don’t give a rats behind about you.
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm
“they were trumped by that flood of Canadians coming to the US for much needed and denied health care.”
Yes, Midori , I called for an appointment the other day and was told minimum of two months due to snowbird influx. Because, otherwise you would NEVER have to wait for anything here in freedom land.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
8:58 pm
Jm
What were you saying boy?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/republicans-defense-spending-earmarks-mckaskill_n_867769.html
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:59 pm
Ron Paul would dynamite the federal government
Would be interesting
Both- bring a link. Anytime pal. In the meantime, use your pie whole to converse with someone else
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:00 pm
The author Charles Murray that Santorum quoted also said:
Using a statistical construct he calls Fishtown — inspired by an actual white, blue-collar neighborhood of the same name in Philadelphia — Murray sorts through demographic data to present a startling picture. Women in Fishtown now routinely have children outside of marriage. Less than a third of its children grow up in households that include both biological parents. The men claim physical disability at astounding rates and are less likely to hold down jobs than in the past.
Churchgoing among the white working class has declined, eroding the social capital that organized religion once provided.
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
9:01 pm
midori, certainly you have a faux hawk, hairdo?
It’s part of the liberal dress code.
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
9:01 pm
We are just lillies of the valley…..
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm
Both
A democrat accuses republicans o f earmarks in defense without any specifics
Try harder
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm
opposed to your Phyllis Diller do?
kayaker 71
February 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm
And while we are participating in any sexual act that a closed door bedroom can conceive…… and we are not so enamored with Mr. Santorum, lets shift the focus from the really important things to those that bring up emotion, light us afire, bring us to the brink….. those crazy Catholics, like Santorum, those Jesus freaks who want to dictate what we can do with out “bodies”. Meanwhile, we are losing our Republic. Government is taking over. I really don’t care if Santorum believes that the Devil is the main source of America’s problems. I really don’t think that mainstream America gives a damn either. They just want to go back to work., they want to keep their home and participate in the American dream. whatever that has turned into. They want to send their kids to college, have some sort of retirement that allows them to enjoy their older years. the America that they remember is all but gone. And it was a good America, despite some warts. And it could be good again but not with Bozo and what he has in mind for this country. Santorum represents what a secular America fears most….. a truly dedicated Christian who wants to bring this country back to what it once was. What’s wrong with that? FDR was a dedicated Christian. So was Truman, Carter ,Reagan, Nixon, JFK, both Bushes…. so what’s the big deal with Santorum?
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
9:02 pm
FANG!!!!!
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:03 pm
SANTORUM AND ROMNEY
POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK ON HEALTHCARE.
heeheeheeheeheehee
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:03 pm
Silly healthcare debate
Too far into the weeds
Dubious string of Romney logic there
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
9:04 pm
Senate Republican leaders are taking heat for millions of dollars worth of earmarks they requested in a $1.1 trillion spending package on deck for passage this month.
GOP Policy Committee Chairman John Thune (S.D.) and National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (Texas) convened a Wednesday morning press conference to criticize Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) for trying to speed the package through the Senate before Christmas.
Senate Republican leaders are taking heat for millions of dollars worth of earmarks they requested in a $1.1 trillion spending package on deck for passage this month.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/133777-senate-gop-leaders-take-heat-over-earmarks
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
9:04 pm
Never heard of her dim.
But sure, whatever you want it to be.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:04 pm
“Then start googling off the information in that report and it is amazing what one can learn……”
Interesting, md. I was unaware that euthanasia was being practiced in the Netherlands and agree that there is at least some basis in reality for Santorum’s statements, however distorted they may have been. It still doesn’t let him off the hook, in my book though. A president, among other things, really needs to get his facts as straight as possible. Because they form part of the criterion for making decisions.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
9:04 pm
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/news/?subsec=7&id=1028&v=pr
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:05 pm
Towncrier – I generally don’t look too hard at a person’s outside shell, I’ve found that the ugliest person can become beautiful when they open their mouths to speak.
Then there’s Rick Sanitarium………
bman: debbiedocook .. .. have you seen his high school picture
Nope – I’m thinking it looks a lot like this.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:06 pm
Santorum is no dummy
Like him even if I don’t like some ofhis politics
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
9:06 pm
http://www.witn.com/politics/headlines/110335344.html
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
9:07 pm
Too bad, t-i-h-s
perhaps you need to broaden your horizons?
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:07 pm
Both
Lemme know if said earmarks mentioned actually passed
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
9:09 pm
Jm(Boy)
No you let me know……..
Peace
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
9:10 pm
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm
“Why did the credit card companies raise rates?
For the same reason that dogs lick themselves,
Because they could.”
When the facts just aint on your side resort to hyperbole and emotional rhetoric. Fact is that opponents of the credit card legislation a couple years back told us exactly what would happen if they passed this populist piece of legislation- credit card companies and banks would have to raise rates on all the good customers to compensate for the added risk and premium that they used to put on the appropriately poor paying bad customers.
Just another example of the law of unintended consequences and govt screwing things up even worse with well intentioned legislation. All they did was make things worse for the people who play by the rules. But don’t let that get in the way of good hyperbole and analogies of dogs licking themselves.
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
9:11 pm
dim, I tawt you were progressive and wanted to move outta the 50’s?
bman
February 22nd, 2012
9:13 pm
Debbiedocook .. .. close.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/rick-santorums-tragic-yearbook-photo/239515/
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:13 pm
“FDR was a dedicated Christian. So was Truman, Carter ,Reagan, Nixon, JFK, both Bushes…. so what’s the big deal with Santorum?”
Don’t confuse nominal with true Christianity: by their fruits you will know them. Nixon and JFK can hardly be called dedicated Christians (I don’t know about the others). Santorum seems so, but I think at this point in our national history it is not important to respect the views of those who are not. The US is not, nor has it ever been, a theocracy. You can work to implement biblical principles in government without evoking the Bible, simply because they work. An atheist can do that and would, in my view, obtain very good results (as I think many already have).
md
February 22nd, 2012
9:14 pm
“A president, among other things, really needs to get his facts as straight as possible. Because they form part of the criterion for making decisions.”
All of which I disclosed earlier……he’s not my guy, but the misinfo of the misinfo needed to be brought to light.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:14 pm
Both
Yep some earmarks still got through
But earmarks are way down. Good job R’s
http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/112059-gop-moratorium-leads-to-drop-in-2011-earmark-spending
The amount of earmarked money is down by roughly 40 percent in three 2011 appropriations bills in the House compared to last year’s bills, according to an analysis by the nonpartisan Taxpayers for Common Sense.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
9:15 pm
you are bound and determined to show your ignorance, aren’t you?
i’m gone now – you certainly don’t need my help.
night t-i-h-s
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:16 pm
Heck
I prefer mitt
But there’s a part of me that says any of these guys would be better than Obama……
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm
I really don’t care if Santorum believes that the Devil is the main source of America’s problems. I really don’t think that mainstream America gives a damn either.
When asked directly about his views on contraception and government, Santorum claimed that he would be a vocal advocate for his beliefs, but wouldn’t bring the force of government in to back him up. I’m not sure I trust his answer, but know that one person can’t change the law of the land on their own.
As stated above, all of the candidates are presenting well tonight, even Ron Paul. If one used the Bookman blog for their only source of info, it would be easy to think that all hope is lost for the Repubs.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm
Churchgoing among the white working class has declined, eroding the social capital that organized religion once provided
Your comment reminded me of something….
A few months back this black female sociologist, (cana’t remember her name) did a piece in Essence called (paraphrased) “How The Black Church is Keeping Black Women Single”.
In it she outlined how there are 10 women to 2 men involved in black churches and how it’s the female population that keeps the churches afloat and how if all those women were to marry “non christian men”; the black church would go bankrupt. The church fills their head with stuff like “Wait for the right christian man that god chooses for you” and “Being unevenly yoked”; to keep the women bound to the church and paying tithes.
Ahywhoooo — your comment triggered a “Debbie” moment. Sorry.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm
“Towncrier – I generally don’t look too hard at a person’s outside shell, I’ve found that the ugliest person can become beautiful when they open their mouths to speak. ”
Except those you personally detest? BTW, both Jesus and Plato were apparently unattractive men (we already know Lincoln was)
rivercard
February 22nd, 2012
9:20 pm
md I read your link and I am not convinced that there is any rational basis for fear of the state or docs euthanizing the unwilling elderly or significant occurrence. Is it a complicated issue that deserves some discussion? Of course. But just like late term abortions, I haven’t seen any evidence of and don’t believe that people are out there doing it indiscriminately.
Here is a link to a book discussing this study and others. ( I need link lessons)
Google the following and you can read part of his book
Euthanasia in the Netherlands: the policy and practice of mercy killing
By Raphael Cohen-Almagor
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
9:20 pm
OK, chicken t-i-h-s.
nite nite.
ROTFL
ld
February 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm
prefer Dennis; but then I’d prefer to have a root canal than vote for Santorum.
From some of his recent statements, Santorum seems to have let a few relatively minor wins go to his head and suddenly believes he’s above critical scrutiny.
Santorum seeks to be a ‘pied piper’ leading a nation of idiots toward theocracy.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm
“A few months back this black female sociologist, (cana’t remember her name) did a piece in Essence called (paraphrased) “How The Black Church is Keeping Black Women Single”.
Interesting…I need to take a look at that. Thanks for the tip.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:22 pm
@Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:06 pm
Santorum is no dummy
Like him even if I don’t like some of his politics
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The bible says:
“No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
9:24 pm
Oh
“some got through”… This from a brainwashed “fill in the blank” who told me to shut up
WOWWWWWW
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Have a great night……………….
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:24 pm
bman – OMG!! He took ugly to new heights!!
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
9:24 pm
Jay
Gotta get rumsfieldian here; You go into the presidential election year with the party you have, not the one you wish you had. I imagine that the republicans will figure it out and give themselves romney. It’s the smart move, although the movers and shakers will be needing some overtime. Santorum is burnin for a flameout, he’s just the man to do it…
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm
Moonbat,
I wondered when someone was gonna throw the chicken in there. Damn that was funny. BOOM!
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 pm
Midori: you are bound and determined to show your ignorance, aren’t you?
Many of our right wingnuts are doomed to this!
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm
Jm
I knew you were WRONG from the start……..
With that said, earmarks when looking at the total budget are minuscule and make for more political banter than budget reality………
I just wish it was mandatory for all “earmarks” to be made public with names, dates, amount and what it was for………. That BS is buried so far into a bill and tacked on at the last minute………….
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 pm
Towncrier: Except those you personally detest?
Of course!!
BTW, both Jesus and Plato were apparently unattractive
But their words made them beautiful….
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
9:29 pm
“YOU, Mitt, gave H-e-a-l-t-h-c-a-r-e to the people while governor,” cried Santorum, as the audience collectively gasps.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:29 pm
“But there’s a part of me that says any of these guys would be better than Obama……”
Romney, certainly. Santorum and Gingrich possibly. I doubt Paul would be, however. He would have too much power in the office and his stringent libertarians stances would be too radical in practice I think. He’d be a great opposing voice to have in you cabinet though, because he really does think out of the box and that is not always wrong. Indeed, it can be very good at times.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 pm
@Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:21 pm
“A few months back this black female sociologist, (cana’t remember her name) did a piece in Essence called (paraphrased) “How The Black Church is Keeping Black Women Single”.
Interesting…I need to take a look at that. Thanks for the tip.
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Black women are single because they chose to be.
Black women are single because some of them WILL NOT SETTLE.
Some black women feel that they can do bad by themselves.
Some black women PREFER being single.
Some black women are doing well by themselves.
Some black women only need companionship when they want it not because they need it.
Some black women are too busy to deal with the BS.
Some black women calls the shots for themselves.
The Black Church has NOTHING TO DO with black women being single. THAT IS JUST ANOTHER LIE BEING PERPETRATED.
NEED I SAY MORE.
ld
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 pm
With, In God We Trust as our nation’s motto,
when the GOP religious right declares that it is determined to apply their commandment, ‘Thou shall not kill’ not just to women seeking reproductive freedom but ALSO TO THE ENTIRE NATION — AS A NATION – -as in the NATION ITSELF MUST NOT KILL, must turn the other cheek, no more death penalty, no more strongest military in the history of humanity no more bombs that might kill even one living child–THEN, I’ll believe their “faith” is real; until then, it’s all a power grab.
-their party would surely die because most of us, specifically including the non-gullible non-believers, ARE willing to fight and kill for individual liberty and equal right under law, but I’d finally believe in the sincerity of their faith..
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 pm
Good night to all………………….
Time to finish up watching the “Little Rascals” (Repub debate)
md
February 22nd, 2012
9:31 pm
“md I read your link and I am not convinced that there is any rational basis for fear of the state or docs euthanizing the unwilling elderly or significant occurrence.”
I think the rational basis occurs when one reads the study…..if I’m Dutch, and I read a few studies that say docs have put people under without permission, I might be a bit leery. We aren’t talking 1 or 2….the number was in the hundreds…….I think that would justify being a little afraid of going to the hospital if one was on the down hill side of life.
I read a few discussions on concern that docs were falsifying death certificates or needed a bed for another patient……I wouldn’t want to be the one in the bed.
moonbat betty
February 22nd, 2012
9:32 pm
Santorum would rather look bad and win than look good and lose.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
9:32 pm
Looks like our leftist Constitutional scholars – you know, the ones who say the Constitution is a living breathing organism, and specifically not the rock hard foundation of this republic – have been wafting the vapors of the penumbra again. For the record there is no Constitutional “right to privacy,” certainly none with any meaningful limits. That is why they never cite to any Article.
Santorum is correct in his legal analysis: if there is a right to privacy that gives Constitutional sanction to homosexuality, the same provision gives sanction to statutory rape, incest, zoophilia, and polygamy. None of those is really an issue so far as I am concerned – I could not care less what leftists do in the privacy of their McMansions – but I credit Santorum for consistency in his analysis, and accuse our leftist friends of ad hoc jurisprudence. I say all of that knowing the existence of Griswald v Connecticut, a classic case of leftist activist judges making up language to fit their prejudices.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:32 pm
The Obama foreign policy second guessing is a bit over the top
But O is weak
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 pm
Towncrier- A good example is Morgan Freeman. I used to think he was pretty attractive, that is until I found out he’s a pederast. After that I can’t stand him, won’t spend a dime on anything even REMOTELY related to him getting richer, etc.
Only a very shallow person would judge on looks alone — i’m not that shallow.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:34 pm
Agree amen Ron Paul
If you want to go to war, pony up for the declaration of war
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 pm
“For the record there is no Constitutional “right to privacy,” certainly none with any meaningful limits. That is why they never cite to any Article.”
Rd…parse through the discussion of the 9th Amendment I had with Jay and JHM downstairs. I agree with you.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 pm
@DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:19 pm
Churchgoing among the white working class has declined, eroding the social capital that organized religion once provided
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Santorum quoted the AUTHOR CHARLES MURRAY during the dabate.
In his new book, “Coming Apart: The State of White America 1960-2010,”
Charles Murray said “Churchgoing among the white working class has declined, eroding the social capital that organized religion once provided.”
GOOGLE HIM
ld
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 pm
theybothsuch:
thanks for the Men @Work link
Now I’ll be humming, “it’s a mistake” til bedtime
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
9:37 pm
“For the record there is no Constitutional “right to privacy,” certainly none with any meaningful limits. That is why they never cite to any Article.”
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
Gm
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm
Obama is weak, why thats why 10 of the top 10 terrorist are pushing up flowers now in the grave.
Once again Rep want to send the poor whether black, white, brown to die, and keep their rich friends safe, not one of these clowns would send their kids to die, now you know why Obama is leading in all polls.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm
“The church fills their head with stuff like “Wait for the right christian man that god chooses for you” and “Being unevenly yoked”; to keep the women bound to the church and paying tithes.”
Debbiedoright,
“Filling their heads with” waiting for the right Christian man? Is that indoctrination or some kind of brain washing to tell a woman to choose a good Christian man? And this sociologist thinks that its all in an effort to keep tythes paying women bound to the church? That makes no sense whatsoever- especially considering that a tythes paying married couple pays more in tythes than a single woman who is likely to be impoverished. Look at the census and at the poor households and you will find there is a striking correlation between poverty and single parent households.
Also I think the brothers need to know about all the nice single women at church. I used to go to the Buckhead church and was a member of their singles club. There were more women then men in that club and the only black guy was my buddy who brought me into the club. There were 3 black women there and they were hot, classy, and smart. Lotta nice women to be met at church and if the ration is 8-2 or whatever then some of the brothers need to get down to the local church.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm
The Black Church has NOTHING TO DO with black women being single. THAT IS JUST ANOTHER LIE BEING PERPETRATED.
NEED I SAY MORE.
Dude/Dudette(?) – It was just an article that I had read in Essence a few months back. Michael Baisden also had the author of the article on his show to follow up with the conversation.
Hey i’m a black woman too, I’m married, I didn’t settle, I married the man who was right for me.
I tell all my sister to look beyond the IBM (Ideal BLACK Man) and just find the IM4U (Ideal Man For You), no matter what color they come in.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 pm
“Towncrier- A good example is Morgan Freeman. I used to think he was pretty attractive, that is until I found out he’s a pederast. After that I can’t stand him, won’t spend a dime on anything even REMOTELY related to him getting richer, etc.”
Thanks for that personal revelation. My point is simply this: looks (like race, gender and the like) can’t much be helped. Behavior can. We can fault people for their behavior, but not their race, gender or physical appearance. So, to me, looks never enter into consideration (and maybe also because I am not Brad Pitt
).
Joe COOL
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 pm
WAR is GOOD for REPUBLICANS!!!! They not sending their kids, their sending YOURS!
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:41 pm
@DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 pm
Towncrier- A good example is Morgan Freeman. I used to think he was pretty attractive, that is until I found out he’s a pederast. After that I can’t stand him, won’t spend a dime on anything even REMOTELY related to him getting richer, etc.
Only a very shallow person would judge on looks alone — i’m not that shallow.
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He’s a pederast.?
So is SANTORUM, ROMNEY, GINGRICH, PAUL AND GINGRICH.
ld
February 22nd, 2012
9:42 pm
just a thought but…
would the GOP–and right-wingers blogging here–accept that a “marriaj” is a civil union between any two consenting adults–w/equal rights as that of “marriage”?
Santorum’s logic fails. Rape is sex WITHOUT consent.
And homosexuality is not the same level as sex w/animals–animals cannot speak to decline.
md
February 22nd, 2012
9:43 pm
“Once again Rep want to send the poor whether black, white, brown to die, and keep their rich friends safe, not one of these clowns would send their kids to die, now you know why Obama is leading in all polls.”
Last I checked, we still have an all volunteer military……..knowing what the military may have to do, aren’t they sending themselves to die?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
9:43 pm
Morgan freeman a pederast? What the heck???
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:43 pm
@Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 pm
“Towncrier- A good example is Morgan Freeman. I used to think he was pretty attractive, that is until I found out he’s a pederast. After that I can’t stand him, won’t spend a dime on anything even REMOTELY related to him getting richer, etc.”
Thanks for that personal revelation. My point is simply this: looks (like race, gender and the like) can’t much be helped. Behavior can. We can fault people for their behavior, but not their race, gender or physical appearance. So, to me, looks never enter into consideration (and maybe also because I am not Brad Pitt ).
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I BET HALF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG WOULD CRACK A MIRROR.
In plain english…………….I BET half of the people are UGLY ON THIS BLOG AND could not BUY A DATE.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:44 pm
Yeah mitt
Good answer on NCLB
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:45 pm
“Hey i’m a black woman too, I’m married, I didn’t settle, I married the man who was right for me. I tell all my sister to look beyond the IBM (Ideal BLACK Man) and just find the IM4U (Ideal Man For You), no matter what color they come in.”
I think the article you cited probably has some truth to it, DDR, so I will look it up. The fact is, the Bible clearly says you should not be “unevenly yoked” and rightly so, for it is a recipe for disaster. Let me ask your opinion: why are so many young black men apparently irresponsible? Is it because they have no fathers in their lives? A lot of young white men are irresponsible as well, but probably for a different reason.
Gm
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 pm
Please when did Newt help Georgia win the Olympic games? wow, Obama was the gov in Georgia the last 15 years, thats why we are last in education, 5 in poverty, next to last in job creation
Wow its really the Government fault?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
9:49 pm
Damn. Just damn. Morgan freeman was one of my favorite actors. Then again this is from the enquirer. Then again the enquirer has broken some serious stories like the John Edwards mistress story.
The relationship between the 72-year-old actor with step-granddaughter E’Dena Hines, 27, began when she was a teen, the source told The ENQUIRER exclusively. The alleged affair not only contributed to his split from Myrna, his wife of 25 years, it also led to his breakup with his longtime mistress, former schoolteacher Mary Joyce Hays. E’Dena is the granddaughter of Morgan’s first wife, Jeanette Adair Bradshaw, and was raised by Morgan and Myrna “since she was a little girl,” the source told The ENQUIRER. “Myrna said E’dena told her that when she was a teenager, she and Morgan went to dinner at a friend’s house one evening. Both had been drinking, and when they returned home, Morgan attempted to have sex with her. They stopped just short of having intercourse,” the source, a close family insider, told The ENQUIRER. “E’Dena explained to Myrna that she stopped Morgan from going any further.” Myrna confronted Morgan, and he agreed to leave E’Dena alone – but unbeknownst to Myrna, the relationship continued for years, said the source. E’Dena has also been Morgan’s escort to several public events, including last summer’s premiere of the blockbuster Bat-flick hit, The Dark Knight. “Nobody thought anything of it, because she would be introduced as his ‘granddaughter.’ The family insider divulged. “It’s not technically incest, because they are not related by blood…[but] Morgan is trying desperately to keep his divorce out of open court so all the shameful facts won’t become public.”
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:49 pm
@DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 pm
The Black Church has NOTHING TO DO with black women being single. THAT IS JUST ANOTHER LIE BEING PERPETRATED.
Hey i’m a black woman too, I’m married, I didn’t settle, I married the man who was right for me.
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I am happy for ya!
But I stand by my comment.
“A LIE BEING PERPETRATED” to make money at the expense of black women.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:49 pm
Morgan Freeman pederast??? WTF
Someone better back that up with some factual links
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:51 pm
@Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
9:49 pm
Damn. Just damn. Morgan freeman was one of my favorite actors. Then again this is from the enquirer. Then again the enquirer has broken some serious stories like the John Edwards mistress story.
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The Enquirer?
GIVE US A BREAK!
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 pm
oy vey…. suddenly Morgan Freeman is being accused by the same posters who still defend Cain ……but I am sure that somehow this is different.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 pm
“Damn. Just damn. Morgan freeman was one of my favorite actors.”
Yeah…that refrain could be repeated with a lot of actors. I think Sean Penn turned out to be a pretty good actor, but…Same with many more. What can you do? I guess exercise your own boycott as you see fit.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 pm
What is the biggest misconception the public has about the candidates?
That they were SANE.!
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
If santorum becomes the nominee, I don’t ever ever ever hear again that money matters in elections from you liberals
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
““A LIE BEING PERPETRATED” to make money at the expense of black women.”
I take it you are not a church-goer. The synopsis I read of the article seems indeed plausible (if not actually true).
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
9:58 pm
Want to ever hear again
Missing word in there
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
10:00 pm
ld- would the GOP–and right-wingers blogging here–accept that a “marriaj” is a civil union between any two consenting adults–w/equal rights as that of “marriage”?
No. Marriage is designed for procreation and raising families. Untill you adapt the ability for one of the people in your civil union to change sexes, it’s not the same. (and if one could change, then it goes back to rule one of them still not being the same.)
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:01 pm
Doom–Refresh my memory if you will. Wasn’t it Fred a while back who stated that he was in the home repair biz and got beat on a job out of a few thousand dollars?? If I recall correctly, Kamchak identified Keep as being an attorney who worked in that field. Does that ring a bell, or was it someone else??
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
10:03 pm
md- knowing what the military may have to do, aren’t they sending themselves to die?
No. It’s the other guy’s job to die for their country.
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:03 pm
“oy vey…. suddenly Morgan Freeman is being accused by the same posters who still defend Cain ……but I am sure that somehow this is different.”
DDR? Who would of thunk it……
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:04 pm
Morgan Freeman may have robbed his ex-wife’s daughter’s cradle. The National Enquirer alleges that the 72-year-old actor has been romantically involved with his 27-year-old step-granddaughter, E’Dena Hines, for as long as a decade.
He’s currently mired in a messy divorce with his now-estranged wife of 25 years, costume designer Myrna Colley-Lee, and may go public with his unconventional relationship when the smoke clears.
E’Dena is the granddaughter of Jeanette Adair Bradshaw, Morgan’s first wife, but she was raised by Morgan and Myrna since she was a small child. Morgan adopted E’Dena’s mother, Deena, who is Jeanette’s biological daughter.
“Myrna said E’Dena told her that when she was a teenager, she and Morgan went to dinner at a friend’s house one evening. Both had been drinking, and when they returned home, Morgan attempted to have sex with her. They stopped just short of having intercourse,” a family insider told The Enquirer.
Before you scorn the story (It’s old and it’s already been proven to be true) remember the Equirer broke the news about John Edwards
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
10:04 pm
@Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 pm
““A LIE BEING PERPETRATED” to make money at the expense of black women.”
I take it you are not a church-goer. The synopsis I read of the article seems indeed plausible (if not actually true).
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“A lie told often enough becomes the truth”.
“Its not a lie if you believe it.”
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:06 pm
Just passing on some “rumors” I heard, but I believe the military is training right now for a confrontation with Iran. It may just be routine training, but there may be more behind the scenes than we know about.
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:06 pm
“No. It’s the other guy’s job to die for their country.”
Preferably……..but guys that post that crap tick me off. gm and Joe cool need to understand the concept of choices…..
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:07 pm
OK so Freeman isn’t a pederast — but he’s a b@$^astard and a child molester….
$Here’s a couple of links:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/edena-hines-morgan-freema_n_229070.html
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.hollyscoop.com/morgan-freeman/morgan-freeman-to-marry-step-granddaughter.html&sa=U&ei=4KxFT6L7IsS9gAey_Z2VBA&ved=0CDcQFjAL&usg=AFQjCNFQRPUib3DUK1-lJQuP9mJJcCjSPw
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
10:07 pm
@DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:04 pm
Before you scorn the story (It’s old and it’s already been proven to be true) remember the Equirer broke the news about John Edwards
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The Enquirer?
Intelligent reading?
A waste of a tree!
I can find more intelligent sources than the enquirer.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 pm
““Its not a lie if you believe it.”
I guess it’s a lie, however, when a poster using a ridiculous moniker says that it is without any proof.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 pm
@DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:07 pm
OK so Freeman isn’t a pederast — but he’s a b@$^astard and a child molester….
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Are you people suffering from autism?
Can you stay on topic? Santorum a symptom of the GOP’s very deep ills
That is what is WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY.
No one can focus on the important things.
THIS AIN’T ABOUT MORGAN FREEMAN.
GOOD LORD!!!
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 pm
Just wondering, who won tonight?
Which one’s Pink? ~Thomas Jefferson
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 pm
Bruno…after the recent comments from the IAEA yesterday, we better be training for that confrontation….Israel is going to do what Israel needs to do and we are right smack in the middle of it. With 2 carrier groups already there, I can see Iran targeting us in response…..then all hell breaks loose.
Wonder if gm would notice who the President would be that sends our kids in to die?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 pm
“No. Marriage is designed for procreation and raising families”
got proof of that? It actually isn’t. It is, and was, intended to control the inheritence of property…and to protect the wife and children legally. It has nothing to do with procreation. Or are you REALLY advocating that those who are sterile, or past child bearing age should be barred from marrying?
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 pm
@Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 pm
““Its not a lie if you believe it.”
I guess it’s a lie, however, when a poster using a ridiculous moniker says that it is without any proof.
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CAN YOU PEOPLE STAY ON TOPIC.
When did the conversation turn to Morgan Freeman.
I thought we were discussing Santorum.
That is why people like Santorum can get away with his insanity because of people like you who can’t not STAY FOCUSED.
THE TRAIN IS LEAVING THE STATION WITHOUT YOU.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm
bruno, if you are looking for an attorney, you might try a more direct approach and ask.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 pm
“Just passing on some “rumors” I heard, but I believe the military is training right now for a confrontation with Iran”
rumor? More like standard operating procedure. The armed services are in the job of being prepared for any eventuality. They would be remiss in their jobs if they DIDN’T prepare for that possiblity.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 pm
“Its not a lie if you believe it.”
And of course there is no reason on earth to suppose the hollywood elite were ever guilty of abhorrent or surprising behavior.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 pm
“THE TRAIN IS LEAVING THE STATION WITHOUT YOU.”
getalife, get a better alternative moniker.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:17 pm
“It has nothing to do with procreation.”
Patently false. Why make such inane statements. Is it all about procreation? Of course not. But that is a long way from saying it has nothing to do with it.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 pm
Town crier. Good call
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
10:21 pm
joe cool- They not sending their kids, their sending YOURS!
Did you miss the part about where the military is overwhelmingly Republican? Are you assuming that only poor kids join the military and since obama is only focused on the votes of poor people, it’s only Democrats who are joining now.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 pm
Dear God,
We need you down here on this earth.
People have GONE MAD.
People are INSANE.
People are EVIL.
People are LIARS.
People are RACISTS.
People have no COMPASSION.
People are SELFISH.
People are LOVERS OF THEMSELVES.
The Republicans are leading the pack.
ARE WE LIVING IN OUR LAST DAYS LORD?
Hurry up………………….The world is self destructing with insanity.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 pm
@Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 pm
“THE TRAIN IS LEAVING THE STATION WITHOUT YOU.”
getalife, get a better alternative moniker.
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YOU NEED JESUS.
Good night
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 pm
Oops You beat me to it Doom — good looking out!!
And this sociologist thinks that its all in an effort to keep tythes paying women bound to the church? That makes no sense whatsoever- especially considering that a tythes paying married couple pays more in tythes than a single woman who is likely to be impoverished
(A) It was just an article I read — nothing scientific to back up this woman’s claim; just her opinion.
(B) The richest self made woman in America is Oprah Winfrey. She’s black and single. Single (childless) Black Women have more disposable income than a married couple would EVER have.
Republican — I’m now sorry I mentioned that article!! I didn’t mean to start a firestorm, it was just that a comment that was posted jogged my memory.
Towncrier: DDR, so I will look it up. The fact is, the Bible clearly says you should not be “unevenly yoked” and rightly so, for it is a recipe for disaster. Let me ask your opinion: why are so many young black men apparently irresponsible? Is it because they have no fathers in their lives?
I think the problem is multifaceted. You can blame the father’s not being in the home BUT you can also blame the Uncles, grandfathers, cousins, brothers, etc. not stepping up and taking the father’s place.
You can blame the woman for not putting the same restrictions on their sons that they put on their daughters.
You can blame that “brother” who doesn’t volunteer in Big Brothers or who doesn’t mentor a child or who doesn’t come back into that neighborhood he fought so hard to get out of to help the next generation coming up.
When anyone, not just the black youth, doesn’t have the right role model to show him what a REAL man is and how a REAL man acts, you get a bunch of confused kid trying to make their way on their own.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 pm
Regarding Morgan Freeman it wasn’t me who made the charge that he was a pederast. Debbiedoright stated that. I was aghast and just looked it up to see if it was true or not.
If you have a problem with it take it up with Debbie seeing as how she seems to be more familiar with the charge against Freeman than myself.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:25 pm
“People have GONE MAD….”
People on blogs have resorted to spouting nonsense and adding nothing of value to any discussion.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:26 pm
bruno, if you are looking for an attorney, you might try a more direct approach and ask.
Sorry, no work for you, Counselor. Just trying to cross-check Fred’s claim of being independently wealthy.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:27 pm
“When anyone, not just the black youth, doesn’t have the right role model to show him what a REAL man is and how a REAL man acts, you get a bunch of confused kid trying to make their way on their own.”
Amen. I agree totally.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
10:27 pm
Debbiedoright,
Where did you see that on Freeman being a pederast. You made the original statement and I just looked it up to see if it was true and all I saw was the enquirer article. But naturally of course someone like keep up the sorry fight is going to blame me.
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 pm
-Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
obama says,”What?”
The problem with this country is we don’t have a leader. Not sure Santorum is the guy, but I would vote for Mickey Mouse before obama.
I would say obama typofies the “Peter Principle” except he’s been a do nothing at every level.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 pm
Well, I listened for two hrs. to all four of these guys.
And I finally made a decision after hearing them talk.
We are so, so f_____ed in November. I’ll be hearing from No. 1 Foxy Lady by 9 o’clock on election night.
Have a good night everybody.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:29 pm
“Regarding Morgan Freeman it wasn’t me who made the charge that he was a pederast. Debbiedoright stated that. I was aghast and just looked it up to see if it was true or not.”
I remember the mainstream media making mention of his involvement with a young girl, around the time of his accident. But I cannot remember the details…
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
10:30 pm
ahhh….. when doom doom gets caught, rather than take personal responsibility, he seeks to blame others. How lame.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:31 pm
BTW, I hope you’re cheaper than the guy I had to use to settle up a business dispute a few years back. $400 per hour. It was probably overkill, but I didn’t want to take a chance on losing.
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 pm
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
6:33 pm
“Here we go again, first allow people to kill babies”
Except we don’t.
We don’t ? Then what are we killing ?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 pm
“Single (childless) Black Women have more disposable income than a married couple would EVER have.”
I don’t know how that could be unless you are assuming every married couple has kids. A married couple are 2 people combining to pay for one home. A single person whether paying or mortgage or renting has to pay for a home all alone. I don’t see how the average single black woman could have more disposable income than a married couple whether that married couple is black,white, or green- especially if they don’t have kids.
I think this sociologist is kinda off on her stats and likewise her rationale. I bet she is selling a lot of books or booking a lot of speaking fees though!
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 pm
doggone- to protect the wife and children legally
Good to see you agree it’s about families (which can not be created within a same sex union). The ability to create children was never a part of marriage (since you were supposed to be virgins when you married). The only requirement is to have the right parts (as in one each).
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:33 pm
We are so, so f_____ed in November. I’ll be hearing from No. 1 Foxy Lady by 9 o’clock on election night.
Cheer up, RC. You’re starting to sound like Jay.
Maybe if you could get a little now and again, you wouldn’t be so pessimistic……..
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
10:35 pm
Keep up,
Sorry if your mind doesn’t readily comprehend FACTS.
Debbie made the original charge that Freeman was a pederast. I was surprised to hear that from her and looked it up to see if it was true. You need not lie or show your blatant dishonesty about who said what. Its right there in the blog posts. All you need to do is follow the conversation ma’am. If you can’t logically follow the conversation well than why the hell am I not surprised?
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 pm
“The ability to create children was never a part of marriage (since you were supposed to be virgins when you married).”
You lost me. In agrarian societies, for instance, the potential for producing children was very much in consideration. Their livelihood depended upon it.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 pm
A song dedication to our National Debt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUqplxIcNk
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:37 pm
anyone wanna take it up with me (Morgan Freeman /Child Molester) can. Believe it if you want to if not, that’s up to you. The National Enquirer broke a LOT of stories over the years. Some of my favorite ones:
Oprah Winfrey’s love child — At first Orah denied it, then she came out and said that Yes she did have a child when she was a teenager (a boy) who died in infancy.
John’s Lovechild — He also denied it, but then, came out and not only saiditwas true but now he’s marrying the ‘baby mama”.
Bill Clinton/Monica scandal – Before that Ken Lay guy was even CLOSE the enquirer had the 4-1-1.
Sure they also have a lot of “My boyfriend is an alien” articles, but……athey also come up with some gems.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:37 pm
Doom–How about it: Do you remember Fred claiming he was in the home repair biz?? He complained that he was beat out of a few thousand dollars if I recall correctly.
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
10:39 pm
speak up- Dear God
Your friends at the ACLU are drawing up the lawsuit against you as we speak.
Demwits luv them some atheism! (unless of course your Muslim. They get a free pass on anything)
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:40 pm
Remember folks, Google is your friend
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:41 pm
“Bill Clinton/Monica scandal – Before that Ken Lay guy was even CLOSE the enquirer had the 4-1-1.”
I was under the impression Matt Drudge broke that story.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
10:42 pm
bruno, my rate for you would be much much higher if I even agreed to take your case. As for claims regarding Fred’s wealth, if it is any of your business, not sure whether retaining an attorney is a determinate of someone’s wealth or lack of it. I have been retained by clients who are very wealthy and I have worked pro bono for those who can barely afford the shirt on their back (and some who can’t). Why I have even seen wealthy doctors closing on $3 million dollar homes whining about a $100 additional fee.
independent thinker
February 22nd, 2012
10:43 pm
Hey Jay wake up and smell the coffee. The GOP convinced the majority of the electorate to reelect Nixon in 1972 and George Bush in 2004. Both had obviously failed miserably in their war efforts and both had suspect involvement in misrepresenting crucial facts to the public : Nixon about Watergate and troops in Cambodia and George Bush about WMD and his knowledge of warnings before 9-11 to mention a few. So what is the big deal about GOP candidates misrepresenting facts during a campaign?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
10:43 pm
poor doom doom….. he can’t even follow his own conversation to understand what was directed at him…but he sure is stung by a comment of truth.
Gm
February 22nd, 2012
10:44 pm
God help us if any of these idiots get elected and when the bombs start droping on America, please make sure they fall on the far right who think these people could be President.
We have been safe for 3 years under Obama, he has given the order to take out terrorist that have threaten our way of life, but yet these un grateful retards on the right, call him weak.
Mr. President you should have let one attack occur on some of these idiots the right and maybe they would remember the pain of 911, what a bunch of inside Anti Americans we have on the right they are a disgrace to this country.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:45 pm
“So what is the big deal about GOP candidates misrepresenting facts during a campaign?”
All I can say is thank goodness Al Gore invented the Internet so you and I can blog like this!!!
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:46 pm
“When anyone, not just the black youth, doesn’t have the right role model to show him what a REAL man is and how a REAL man acts, you get a bunch of confused kid trying to make their way on their own.”
Even with the right role model there are no guarantees……..I’ve seen just as many confused kids coming from strong homes…….teens will be teens it’s in their genes…….
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:46 pm
Enquirer had it – they didn’t mention Monica by name, I don’t think they knew her name then, but they metioned an affair with one of his staff.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:47 pm
“what a bunch of inside Anti Americans we have on the right they are a disgrace to this country.”
Gm, your moniker should be inverted to mg. That is, more gibberish.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:49 pm
Even with the right role model there are no guarantees……..I’ve seen just as many confused kids coming from strong homes…….teens will be teens it’s in their genes…….
A few kids sure, a big demographic of the population? Not so much. It then becomes a problem.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:51 pm
“Even with the right role model there are no guarantees……..I’ve seen just as many confused kids coming from strong homes…….teens will be teens it’s in their genes……”
That is true. There is a decent correlation (if not a guaranteed outcome) between good parenting and good kids. And many of those with good parents who stray from the good path often come back to it once they come to their senses. The same cannot be said for those with bad or non-existent role models. Unquestionable love and firm discipline matters a lot.
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
10:51 pm
Towncrier- the potential for producing children was very much in consideration
Yes, the potential, meaning one man and one woman. You didn’t know it was going to work until after they were married. That’s when they went to polygamy or other means.
The whole same sex marraige debate is just another tax loophole scheme. It has nothing to do with couples themselves. That’s why they are against the term “civil union” It doesn’t come with the same federally mandated benefits at work.
Don’t worry as I suspect the “don’t ask, don’t tell” crowd will have it forced thru the military into society within the next two years.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
10:52 pm
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
10:37 pm
Doom–How about it: Do you remember Fred claiming he was in the home repair biz?? He complained that he was beat out of a few thousand dollars if I recall correctly.
Bruno,
Are you freaking kidding me? Is there anything fantastical Fred claims he hasn’t done? Yes. I remember what you are talking about. A couple of days ago you weren’t here but he also said he was a nascar interviewer or writer or something and covered NASCAR- said he had interviewed Joey Logano when he was racing when he was 14 or 15. Let’s see- he was an elite special ops soldier doing 30,000 foot halo jumps, he was in home construction, a nascar interviewer, I think he was a part time mathematician, and of course he was rain man in real life with the photographic memory capable of quoting random pages and passages picked at random by a quizzing teacher.
Now last week he claimed that he receives a monthly retirement check of $19,600 which I assume is net which means that he gets a retirement check of near a quarter million a year after taxes. One thing I really learned in my days as a broker is that as a general rule of thumb the people that have money are very quiet about it and the people that don’t are very boisterous about money that they don’t really have. Fantastical Fred!
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:53 pm
Oh No — They have Rosewood on Starz….I can’t watch that movie without crying. That’s my cue to hightail it outta here.
Night all.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
10:55 pm
Gn, DDR.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
10:56 pm
Debbiedoright,
I believe the enquirer also broke the Bill Clinton- Gennifer Flowers story if I’m not mistaken although I’m not sure and can’t remember. One thing is for sure though. They damn sure do have a knack for breaking the sex scandal stories. Its what they do. The UFO and bigfoot stories not so much. But the sex scandal stories it seems like they got their game on.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
10:58 pm
Don’t worry as I suspect the “don’t ask, don’t tell” crowd will have it forced thru the military into society within the next two years
GOOD. I hope they do. If “gays” have to pay taxes, register for Selective Service, etc.; just like everyone else, then they should have the SAME RIGHTS as everyone else.
GAY doesn’t mean NOT HUMAN or NOT CITIZEN. It just means “happy”. They are happy to be who they are and they don’t need anyone’s permission to be what everyone else wants them to be.
OK. NOW I’m out.
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
11:00 pm
gm- but yet these un grateful retards on the right, call him weak.
Love our enemies, alienate our allies, and spread hate and class warfare throughout the country. I guess it takes a strong man to screw things up this bad.
Vote obama: Free money for everyone!
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
11:00 pm
Keep up the sorry fight,
A comment of truth? Coming from you? That’s kinda laughable. Sorry ma’am but yet again you are really reaching. If you’re truly offended by the Morgan Freeman story you can take it up with Debbiedo. She has gladly posted several links on it. Its weird but the farther away you are from the truth the harder and harder you try to distort it to your flexible version of what you want the truth to be. So sad.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
11:00 pm
“The UFO and bigfoot stories not so much. But the sex scandal stories it seems like they got their game on.”
LOL, TD. I guess some hound dogs only hunt quail, huh? I always have enjoyed the artistic depictions of martians and the like in the Enquirer. I have purchased a few editions solely on that basis
.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
11:01 pm
wow Fred’s retirement check is only $19,600 a month. I would have thought it much larger….but then why should I believe his limo driver who used to be a broker. You know he also has dated one of Kam’s former girls, Morgan Fairchild.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
11:02 pm
I have been retained by clients who are very greedy and I have worked to put on my Nike track shoes to run down ambulances for those who can barely afford the shirt on their back (and some who can’t).
keep up the sorry fight,
You’re welcome for the typo correction.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
11:03 pm
Doom: The UFO and bigfoot stories not so much. But the sex scandal stories it seems like they got their game on
That’ because they pay top dollar for sex scandal stories. I read somewhere, (i think O’s biography), that they paid Oprah’s sister $100K for her “Oprah was a teen mama” story.
With that kind of payout, Doom I hope i NEVER find out any sex scandals on you. Much as i love ya, I really need $100K
OK — Out for real. Goodnight everyone!!
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
11:03 pm
Fantasical Fred and keep up the sorry fight,
Now that that is truly 2 peas in a pod.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
11:04 pm
And doom, the Cain defender, still misses the point as he again cites posts by others about an accusation made by the Natl Enquirer.
If this density was fog, he’d miss his nose.
JKL2
February 22nd, 2012
11:07 pm
Debbie- SAME RIGHTS as everyone else.
Same rights, yes. Same benefits, no. You can not give credit intended to raise families to those who can not produce one. If they do have children, it comes from a previous relationship which is already covered by a completely different set of laws.
Your whole arguement is “how can we get more people into loopholes and screwing the taxpayer.” You can’t be against loopholes and for this at the same time. Otherwise, marriage will be downgraded to where you’re an idiot if you’re single because that means your not taking advantage of the system.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
11:09 pm
Debbiedoright,
I’m not important enough to have a sex scandal regarding myself. Unless you consider keep up’s fantasizing about my body in a pair of speedos a sex scandal. To me its just a creepy obsession of his.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
11:11 pm
Oh lawdy, there goes keep up the sorry fight trying to make his points that no one takes seriously. Mr. Irrelevant never seems to learn. Keep nippin at that ankle senor irrelevant.
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
11:11 pm
I have little use for egoists who brag about their money.
Bruno, I was thinking of that song not an hour before you linked it.
Speak out
You gotta speak against the madness
You gotta speak your mind
If you dare
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1C2YCiWKK4&feature=related
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
11:17 pm
Okay…I’m out…gn all.
obama warchester
February 22nd, 2012
11:51 pm
Enter your comments here
obama warchester
February 22nd, 2012
11:52 pm
I have more money than god, btches!
Aser706
February 23rd, 2012
12:06 am
Santorum has the same view on abortion as Obama. Move on.
moonbat betty
February 23rd, 2012
12:35 am
Closin’ time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-0lV5qs1Qw
Oscar
February 23rd, 2012
12:48 am
I got to start getting on these blogs sooner. This late, nothing posted seems to make any sense or have anything to do with the written article. I’ll try again tomorrow.
Ahem
February 23rd, 2012
12:51 am
The suspected is now confirmed; Obama and his ilk are either ignorant or idiots.
marko
February 23rd, 2012
5:34 am
the really strange thing about evil European socialist countries is the fact that their citizens routinely claim that they’re happy and content. I think we should appoint Rush and Sean to go over there and educate those poor delusional creatures. How did their evil governments convince them that they were happy? Water boarding perhaps?
Bud Wiser
February 23rd, 2012
6:30 am
Scott
February 22nd, 2012
3:54 pm
I wish somebody would “euthanize” Rick “Frothy Mix” Santorum.
You know, many of us here engage in what could be called ‘intense’ back and forth expressions of political positioning and other beliefs, and on occasion things may cross a line of decency as well as sanity. I am not a Santorum supporter by any means, let me make that perfectly clear.
This comment, Bookman, in my opinion goes far beyond anything like that. It is a direct threat or encouragement of a potential terroristic threat against a candidate for President of the United States.
I am astonished (or maybe not, considering your rabid media stooge grovelling to the uber-left) you have not had the decency, or even the old fashioned common sense, to remove this comment yourself. I would report this comment and commentor to the authorities and let them investigate, as is your actual responsibility.
Your lack of journalistic ethics and common decency even transcend rationality, Bookman.
Somehow I am not surprised by that either.
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 23rd, 2012
6:42 am
Coming from the man who has maybe written two posts here *ever* that weren’t dripping with hatred and insults, that 6:30 is particularly humorous.
Hypocrisy is great fodder for comedy. ~Mo Rocca
Enjoy the morning, folks. Out to keep the plutocrats comfy…
Midori
February 23rd, 2012
7:07 am
AmVet — yeah, the irony didn’t escape me either
Jack
February 23rd, 2012
7:22 am
Bookman a symptom of the Left’s very deep ills.
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
7:31 am
Can’t we all just get along?
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:31 am
Hows those gas prices libs?
Not looking good for the God-President.
LOL!!
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:31 am
I use Bud to boil brats.
Add some cut up onions.
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
7:32 am
bat
I think you need to address that question to the capitalist speculators in oil futures…
Jay
February 23rd, 2012
7:32 am
Actually, I think Bud has a valid point on that one, and the post in question has been taken down.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:32 am
batman
how’s that anti-contraception meme going for you cons?
Looking great for the President!
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:35 am
Granny Godzilla
The birth control garbage made up by the media is a myth and most people are smart enough to know it. Gos prices . . . not a myth.
BOOM!!! So much for the God -President. Even the biased media can’t fix this one.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
7:35 am
batman,
I was going to ask you just how in the hell do think the President has any control over gas prices,
but then I re-read your last sentence…and I understood. You think President Obama is God…Now, that’s rich!
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:36 am
batman
you just keep on thinking that.
works real well for us.
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:36 am
Mick
Not my job to fix it. . . . Other than continue to work for the RNC and cast my vote.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
7:37 am
Granny,
Good morning to you!
Remember Lum’s? Beer steamed brats and dogs…yummy!
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
7:39 am
Granny,
What I liked was the Silent Walk of Shame the protesters put the Virginia Congress Critters through. That was classic.
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:41 am
Granny Godzilla
Higher gas prices works real well for you. LOL!!!
Poor baby. What else can you say but you LIKE high gas prices. How many people won’t have to face the price of gas on a daily basis? Most people are finially sick of the Clown’s mistakes. And now his approach is to convince people that high prices are good.
I was worried. Not any more. But you keep telling yourself that people believe that Republicans want to get rid of birth control. . . While they are paying 5 bucks a gallon for gas.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:41 am
NORM!
Looks like we’re gonna need a bigger beer
http://noms.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/09/23/funny-food-photos-worlds-longest-bratwurst/
Bud Wiser
February 23rd, 2012
7:43 am
Thank you Jay.
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
7:43 am
normal
Hey, I remember lums too – that’s where I first got a taste of key lime pie…
Bud Wiser
February 23rd, 2012
7:45 am
AmVet – Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 23rd, 2012
6:42 am
Coming from the man who has maybe written two posts here *ever* that weren’t dripping with hatred and insults, that 6:30 is particularly humorous.
By your count then, that puts me up two on you AmWet.
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
7:45 am
bat
Weak response, you just want to gloat over spilt milk. If it makes you feel good – do it…
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:45 am
batman
you obey me very well. i like that.
thanks.
you just keep thinking that.
works very well for us.
(tee hee hee)
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:45 am
Normal
Protest all you want. Obama ratings are dropping like crazy. Like most of his mistakes, this affects people in very real terms.
All the blame being piled on Bush for 2 bucks a gallon has come home to roost.
Now please. Lets have another attempt at a personal attack. I can take it, especially from you.
independent thinker
February 23rd, 2012
7:46 am
Hey if Santorum gets in the White House, we will have meet and greet for dead fetruses as part of every State Dinner-and free aspirins for all women- can’t wait, I wonder if prosecution of Catholic priests for having sex with boys will be prohibited. I guess religious bestiality is okay with Ricky.
What a frrothy mix of gay bashing anti women’s rights GOP lubricant and religious sanctimony Santorum is – just Google it up.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:46 am
Norm
And the GOP Governor caved…..maybe he “bat caved”
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:47 am
if bats had feathers his would be ruffled….
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:47 am
Granny Godzilla
Sort of sad Granny.
But not really. I love it when liberals have to face the facts about what they support. You guys always try to make it about the poster.
Hey, here’s a clue. I’m not the only person who has noticed the gas prices.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
7:48 am
Granny…
OMG! I have died and gone to Heaven! That is one B-I-G Brat!!!
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:49 am
independent thinker
Wow, for an independent thinker, you sure are touting the DNC line.
Nobody cares about this made up issue. It about the economy. Been to the grocery store lately?
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
7:51 am
batman – “Hey, here’s a clue. I’m not the only person who has noticed the gas prices”
If gas prices are affecting you so much, perhaps you should have made better choices in life. The government can’t save you, so pull yourself up by your bootstraps and get a job that pays more so you don’t worry so much about filling up the tank.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
7:52 am
Batman,
You’re a hoot…and seem to be suffering from a persecution complex.
President Obama’s ratings are not “falling like crazy”. He is still the projected winner in November against all four of the GOP, ahem, “hopefuls”, so get real and get used to it. He will wave goodbye on January 2017 and not before.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:52 am
batman
again, I love it when you obey me.
YOU, yes YOU, keep think that.
works for us.
Oh and a clue for you…
Miss Plum with the Candlestick in the Library
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:52 am
Mick
I’m not gloating over split milk. I’m gloating over yet another obvious prediction coming true that you libs shrugged off so many times. Are you ever right about anything? (Now please, let’s have another personal attack. It’s all you have left)
HDB
February 23rd, 2012
7:53 am
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:41 am
The question you SHOULD be asking is this: Why are gas prices going UP when US gas consumption is DOWN?? Here’s the answer: the oil companies are EXPORTING gasoline….and the refineries are in changeover mode to prepare gasoline for the SUMMER!!
If you are honest with yourself, every time (until now) that gasoline has broken a dollar mode, Republicans were in the White House! ($1 – Nixon….$2/3 – Bush41, $4 – Bush43). I will also note that when I was living in the Midwest, the higher prices hit faster than they did in the South!!
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:54 am
Have a good day losers. Time to go to work where EVERYONE is talking about gas prices. You guys keep talking about . . . whatever it is you talk about now that there is nothing good in politics.
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
7:54 am
Personal attack? Poor little victim syndrome much? You’re the one instigating and looking to be put in their proper place…
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
7:54 am
“(Now please, let’s have another personal attack. It’s all you have left)”
Like I said…persecution complex…now, are you happy?
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:55 am
Butch
Spot on.
Amazing how many “smart” fellers get caught by high gas prices.
Recon 0311 2533
February 23rd, 2012
7:56 am
And then there was “57 states” and “Hawaii is part of Asia”. A symptom of the Democrats very deep ills.
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:56 am
HDB
I don’t care. Obama is in charge. Nobody asked why they went up under Bush and nobody cares why they are going up now. They just look at who is in charge and says FIX IT. And of course Obama starts singing again.
Priceless.
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
7:56 am
batman – “Time to go to work where EVERYONE is talking about gas prices.”
Again, why are you relying on the government to help with you with your shortage of income? Your entitlement mentality is showing. You don’t have a right to low gas prices, you need to stop looking to the government to keep prices low so that you don’t have to apply yourself. Make better choices, stop making your lack of motivation a public policy issue.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
7:58 am
batman
you don’t care?
obviously
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
7:59 am
Mick,
I broke out the motorcycle this morning. A great day for riding and my answer to high gas prices. 55 to 59 miles a gallon on a three and a half gallon tank makes 192.5 to 206.5 miles of pure fun per tank….
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
7:59 am
Gas – it’s the only thing you’ve got left to pin your hopes on. What would a republican president give us that’s any different concerning petrol? Oh yeah, that’s right, a war with iran, that should help prices…
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:00 am
Recon 0311 2533
February 23rd, 2012
7:56 am
Come on Del, that’s not all you have is it?
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
8:01 am
normal
Hey good for you…I’m a bit envious, can’t ride a bike down here cause it would very likely end up in my demise..but someday, somewhere, I will ride again…
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:03 am
GG -”Spot on.
Amazing how many “smart” fellers get caught by high gas prices.”
Thanks Granny. It still amazes me that idiots like batman think that they have a right to low gas prices. I’d like for him to show us where in the constitiution or the bill of rights it states that we are entitled to reasonable fuel costs. People like batman seem to think that they shouldn’t have to apply themselves in order to make enough money to handle price fluctuations. Drives me crazy!
Recon 0311 2533
February 23rd, 2012
8:03 am
Normal,
Just adhering to fire discipline and putting out fire suppression so it didn’t take much to counter Jay’s lame attack on Santorum.
HDB
February 23rd, 2012
8:05 am
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:56 am
“Nobody asked why they went up under Bush and nobody cares why they are going up now.”
You’re kidding, right?? Everyone I know kept asking why gas prices shot up….lest you forget, many people believed that Bush invaded Iraq just for the OIL……
Those of us knowledgable folk know why gas prices are climbing: oil companies exporting gasoline from the US, Iranian influence in world markets (Strait of Hormuz issues, et. al.), refinery changeovers….and no additional refinery capability! Can the President BUILD a refinery?? Don’t think so!!
Part of the problem is that people DON’T care about the reasons behind a problem…and that precludes SOLVING the problem!! Sometimes, we have to ride it out because the answer to the problem ISN’T ours to fix!! Part of the problem is the mentality that many Americans have: do what we SAY NOW!! The “ugly American” syndrome is part of the reason that things ARE the way they are when we deal with international issues…..
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
8:06 am
Normal
He’s saving the Ace of Teleprompters for the next hand.
Bud Wiser
February 23rd, 2012
8:10 am
HDB
February 23rd, 2012
8:05 am
batman
February 23rd, 2012
7:56 am
“Nobody asked why they went up under Bush and nobody cares why they are going up now.”
You’re kidding, right?? Everyone I know kept asking why gas prices shot up….lest you forget, many people believed that Bush invaded Iraq just for the OIL……
Those of us knowledgable folk know why gas prices are climbing: oil companies exporting gasoline from the US, Iranian influence in world markets (Strait of Hormuz issues, et. al.), refinery changeovers….and no additional refinery capability! Can the President BUILD a refinery?? Don’t think so!!…
Can he block the building of a refinery? Yes. Has he? Yes.
Can he block new oil leases for offshore drilling? Yes. Has he? Yes.
Can he block a pipeline from Canda bringing oil in? Yes. Has he? Yes.
Do you actualy for real consider yourself “knowledgable”? Are you? No. Does anyone believe you are? No.
Duh
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 23rd, 2012
8:10 am
Saint Rick will say whatever he needs to get elected. The fact that Republican voters can just ignore his lies is what is truly scary.
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:10 am
Butch .. .. can i borrow some $ ?
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:13 am
Bud Wiser – “Do you actualy for real consider yourself “knowledgable”? Are you? No. Does anyone believe you are? No.
Duh”
Do you actually believe that you have a right to low gas prices? Do you hold yourself accountable for making choices in life that have relegated you to an income level that can’t handle fluctuations in the market? Please, enlighten all of as to why we should care that you are getting pinched by the price of fuel. Stop relying on the government and take some responsibility for yourself.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:14 am
Del,
I hope you aren’t pinning your hopes on Santorum, but I agree…any shot at Santorum is lame… because it’s so wasted…
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:14 am
bman – “Butch .. .. can i borrow some $ ?”
Nope, go make some. That’s what I had to do. Stop looking to others to solve your problems.
Midori
February 23rd, 2012
8:16 am
driving home from work yesterday I tuned into Hannity (curiosity kills more than cats), and all he could talk about was the high gas prices.
funny, I remember gas going up under Bush to $5 a gallon in some places, and didn’t hear a peep from that windbag.
or his weak minded minions.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:19 am
“Can he block new oil leases for offshore drilling? Yes. Has he? Yes.”
Bud, I don’t think that one’s true. I think that oil rigs and oil production has tripled in the last three years.
…and another thing…the pipe line you are talking about was mainly Canadian oil and would still have to go onto the world market where we would have to buy it back. President Obama has no control over oil prices, but I wish he did have the powers you seem to give him. Between you and batman, he WOULD be God…
Jm
February 23rd, 2012
8:19 am
What will Jays silly topic be today?…
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:19 am
Butch .. .. selfish man!
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
8:19 am
midori
It’s funny how so many take rush, hannity seriously, they are silly entertainers catapaulting the propaganda. Everyday it’s the same meme, what can we blame obama for today? They are making millions off of ignorance…
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:20 am
Midori – “funny, I remember gas going up under Bush to $5 a gallon in some places, and didn’t hear a peep from that windbag.
or his weak minded minions.”
Ironic isn’t it. I wish the Right Wingers would quit whining about the price of gas. I don’t know where they got the idea that cheap fuel was a constitutional right. They need to stop looking to the government to save them from the obviusly poor choices they’ve made in life. If they think gas is too expensive, maybe they need to take a second or third job to pay for it. Choices!!!
USinUK
February 23rd, 2012
8:20 am
g’morning hep cats!
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 23rd, 2012
8:21 am
Santorum is a FAKE CHRISTIAN.
Is anyone SURPRISED?
All of the candidates are FAKE.
Is anyone SURPRISED?
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:21 am
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
8:19 am
…and another reason they want to keep public education underfunded…
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:21 am
Midori .. .. I remember it well. I also remember unable to actually get gas because the stations were out. We were very slow at work because of the gas shortage, and had customers calling to see if we could deliver. We couldn’t deliver because .. .. there was NO GAS!
It was awful!
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
8:21 am
Bud
You’ll have to tell us what refinery President Obama has blocked.
While after the disater in the Gulf, off shore leases were wisely put on hold, late last year that all changed. Keep up.
AND
It’s not a pipeline TO America for oil, it’s a pipeline THROUGH America
for oil to the world market.
Geeez.
Tommy Maddox
February 23rd, 2012
8:23 am
What a riot!!
Just a few years ago y’all were making the case how gas prices were ALL Pres. Bush’s fault. Now listen to you!!
Talk about dancing a little side-step? What a riot!
Here comes November…
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:23 am
bman – “Butch .. .. selfish man!
You should have known me when I was still a Republican. Self reliance knows no party.
gm
February 23rd, 2012
8:23 am
Obama is weak, and a threat to national security?, I gues thats why 10 of the top 10 terrorist are pushing up flowers now in the grave.
Once again Rep want to send the poor whether black, white, brown to die, and keep their rich friends safe, not one of these clowns would send their kids to die, now you know why Obama is leading in all polls.
Did we learn anything from the 4500 dead American troops in Iraq, did we learn anthing from 911?
Wen did Newt help bring the Olympics to Atlanta? what a lying piece of scum, what has this 3 times adultry done for Georgia, this state is last in education, top 3 in poverty, last in job creation yet these clowns blame the gov and the racist bigots of far right believe this, rep have been running this backwood state for last 15 years, what a bunch of idiot conservatives.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:24 am
“mornin’, USinUK!
md
February 23rd, 2012
8:25 am
And Butch speaks the truth in jest……..
Our friend Jo walks to work……a very good CHOICE. It’s a good thing the moving fairies picked him up and dropped him in that living arrangement so close to work……
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
8:26 am
Tommy
Those that did were mistaken.
Does that make it ok for you to make the same mistake?
Or can you learn?
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:26 am
Tommy Maddox – “Just a few years ago y’all were making the case how gas prices were ALL Pres. Bush’s fault. Now listen to you!!”
Please, show me where I said that. Even funnier is how so many people think that they have a right to cheap fuel. If they applied themselves at work as much as they do to this blog, they would be able to afford gas no matter what the price was then maybe they would relying on the government to save them.
Joseph
February 23rd, 2012
8:26 am
I agree Jay.. I tend to agree with democrats that baby killing is ok and having the government decide whether granny can die or not…..
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
8:26 am
usinuk
Top of the afternoon! Another day, another pence…
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:27 am
they would relying on the government to save them.
should be stop relying on the government to save them.
Recon 0311 2533
February 23rd, 2012
8:27 am
Most of those drilling permits were authorized by Bush not by Obama. Most of the drilling that began since Obama’ been office has been on privately owned land as Obama won’t open up other areas for exploration because he’s concerned with angering the environmentalist lobby. It should be remembered that when oil prices spiked and gasoline on average climbed to $4.00 per gallon, Bush took action and announced an inrease in domestic exploration and drilling. Prices began falling and gasoline prices were at $1.87 per gallon when Obama took office.
Tommy Maddox
February 23rd, 2012
8:28 am
What a riot.
Obama the petrol producin’ President.
I’m calling a BS alert today.
Joseph
February 23rd, 2012
8:30 am
The simple fact is that do we want our country to go in this direction? I don’t think so but the far left certainly thinks this is ok.
Confederate Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:30 am
“Wen did Newt help bring the Olympics to Atlanta? what a lying piece of scum, what has this 3 times adultry done for Georgia”
…And he ain’t even from here! He’s a Damn Carpetbagger Yankee born in Pennsylvania! It’ a Yankee conspiracy, I tells ya!
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:30 am
Recon 0311 2533 – “Bush took action and announced an inrease in domestic exploration and drilling. Prices began falling and gasoline prices were at $1.87 per gallon when Obama took office.”
Why should the government have to take any action at all? The free market dictates the price of oil. If you don’t like paying high prices, you can move, stop driving or take a second job to pay for the added expense. Geez, why is this so difficult to understand?
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:30 am
Sorry about that…I must be bi-polar
HDB
February 23rd, 2012
8:31 am
Bud Wiser
February 23rd, 2012
8:10 am
“Can he block the building of a refinery? Yes. Has he? Yes.”
When has Obama blocked the building of a refinery?? Source, please!!
“Can he block new oil leases for offshore drilling? Yes. Has he? Yes”
There are MORE oil wells operating in the US than before; the TEMPORARY stoppage of oil leases was due to the OIL SPILL in the Gulf!! In that situation, caution was prudent!!!.
“Can he block a pipeline from Canda bringing oil in? Yes. Has he? Yes.”
As many have noted, Keystone was bringing Canadian oil THROUGH the US…not TO the US…and it was to be sold on the WORLD MARKET!!
“Do you actualy for real consider yourself “knowledgable”?” Relatively speaking – YES! I use multiple sources of information to form my opinions; do you restrict yourslef to FOX??
” Are you? No. Does anyone believe you are? No. Duh”
Not worried about what others THINK….what you need to worry about is what IS!!
Joseph
February 23rd, 2012
8:33 am
Recon 0311 2533:
You are absolutely right! Just the threat Bush made alone drove prices down. That’s something Obama is incapable of because no one would take him seriously. Oil companies understand that he and the far left in this country have this fairytale called green energy that they are completely focused on.
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:33 am
What direction? Letting the markets set the price of oil? Recognizing that cheap fuel is not a right? Holding people accountable for their poor choices in transportation? Not relying on the government to subsidize my Hummer? Exactly what direction are you referring to?
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
8:33 am
Recon
Most?
MOST?
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:33 am
Butch .. .. are you retired?
George P. Burdell
February 23rd, 2012
8:34 am
Jay this is the second time you’ve said that what is going on in the Republican party is not only bad for the party, but for the country overall and I could not agree more. Bush caused a huge rift in the party by turning his back on fiscal conservatives and spending like mad. The social conservatives in the party are willing to overlook out-of-control spending so long as you fight ( or appear to fight) for making abortion illegal and other such wedge issues. If Santorum wins the nomination, he stands zero chance against Obama and it will probably change the dynamic in the Congressional races as well.
The problem is we are facing some of the most serious fiscal problems this country has seen and they continually get worse. We need two parties to work out solutions and take the hits that come with tough choices. With no credible threat from conservatives, the liberals are certainly not going to start entitlement reform, at least to any relevant extent. We are certainly not Greece, but then again we cannot afford to be because there will be no one to bail us out. I fear that we are heading down that road and the riots and protests here will be ugly. We really needed to start working on the problem when Obama took office, but we have made absolutely no progress and it doesn’t look like we will be making any meaningful progress anytime soon.
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:34 am
bman – “Butch .. .. are you retired?”
Yes, since 2008.
md
February 23rd, 2012
8:35 am
“As many have noted, Keystone was bringing Canadian oil THROUGH the US…not TO the US…and it was to be sold on the WORLD MARKET!!”
Well, since the US is part of the world market, it would be one and the same……..think about it.
Joseph
February 23rd, 2012
8:36 am
Google Santorum and do not euthanize me and look at all the results from far left loons… This really makes me feel better about paying $5 a gallon for gas….
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
8:37 am
I see somebody’s brought out the gas canard. I’m not even gonna respond…
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:37 am
Joseph – “You are absolutely right! Just the threat Bush made alone drove prices down.”
Again, why are you relying on the government to intervene on your behalf? If the price seems unreasonable, do something about it yourself. You are not guaranteed cheap gas. Get over your entitlement mentality and start taking responsibility.
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:39 am
Joseph – “This really makes me feel better about paying $5 a gallon for gas….”
Those of us that can afford it don’t have a problem with it. Maybe you need to ask yourself why you didn’t get a better job that would pay more so that natural fluctuations in the market won’t affect you.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
8:41 am
Geez, now the Right is asking Obama to make a threat about getting involved in the free market to bring prices down. As soon as he does that, they’ll bitch that he’s trying to nationalize gas and say that’s proof that government is trying to take over businesses. I personally wish Obama would do absolutely nothing and make the free market straighten this sh*t out with gas prices. The market’s the one jacking the prices up anyway.
Joseph
February 23rd, 2012
8:42 am
Butch Cassidy:
I didn’t say I couldn’t pay it bud… As I stated sarcastically I enjoy paying because it means more tax revenue for Obama and the dems to spend on their green energy fairytale…..
USinUK
February 23rd, 2012
8:42 am
“Just a few years ago y’all were making the case how gas prices were ALL Pres. Bush’s fault. ”
we were???
not so much.
HDB
February 23rd, 2012
8:43 am
md
February 23rd, 2012
8:35 am
…and the US would have to COMPETE with acquiring the volume of petroleum desired from Keystone….rather than being the SOLE beneficiary of Canadian oil!! It’s a large difference!! Too many people are of the belief that the US would be the SOLE beneficiary….and that process continues to feed the fallacy that the US deserves all!!
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 23rd, 2012
8:43 am
“Those of us that can afford it don’t have a problem with it. Maybe you need to ask yourself why you didn’t get a better job that would pay more so that natural fluctuations in the market won’t affect you.”
I agree. The less poor people on the road the better.
j/k
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
8:43 am
Those of us that can afford it don’t have a problem with it. Maybe you need to ask yourself why you didn’t get a better job that would pay more so that natural fluctuations in the market won’t affect you.
Tee hee hee hee!!! Sounds like a case of missing bootstraps.
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:43 am
Butch .. .. I have a lot of customers who are retired. Many who can barely get around. It seems like every day some of them complain about the price of something – Insurance costs, meds, gas, milk, food etc.. If I were to use your line that they should just shut up and go make more money, I would surely be hit in the head by a handbag before the end of the day.
kayaker 71
February 23rd, 2012
8:44 am
Let’s see now. We buy a large percentage of our oil from those who have threatened to destroy us. Then we turn down oil from a neighboring country who seems to have no plans for our future. Oil is the one commodity that drives the train in a fossil fuel dependent economy. Why is this just not adding up?
Bill Orvis White
February 23rd, 2012
8:44 am
This blog post is one of the most bogus out of Liberal Jay’s collection of progressive lies. The unborn and the elderly are the weakest among the human race. They are the frail, the scared and of course, they’re frightened to report the truth.
This is what me and millions of other rational, conservative folk in this nation fear: folk like Liberal Jay gloating about Secular Europe where euthanasia, Godlessness, unemployment, high taxes, high deficits, huge gov’t, a war on religion and a dislike for human life thrives every second. Liberal Jay and his buddies Hussein Obama, Bill Ayres, Keith Olbermann, Nanny Pelosi, Rachael Maddow, Hairy Reid all have the dangerous power to turn this once-free nation into a secular socialistic inhumane society.
Now with those facts clearly laid out on this lefty blog, I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR ANY GLOATING ABOUT HOW THE FOUR GENTLEMAN WERE DEBATING LAST NIGHT, PURE AND SIMPLE! Three of the four have excellent ideas for saving this once-free nation. I’m sorry, but Ron Paul is an anti-Semite. Now, the honorable Senator Santorum states many common sense ideas and that’s why folk are excited about Him. This does not undercut the honorable Gov. Romney and Speaker Gingrich. These three men are more qualified to be in the Oval Office than the radical secularist currently occupying that precious, sacred space.
Amen,
Bill
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:45 am
“Why is this just not adding up?”
Because you’re bad in math?
md
February 23rd, 2012
8:46 am
Meanwhile, while we bitch about high gas prices:
“Syrian forces launched a massive bombardment of rebel districts of Homs on Thursday, defying a world outcry over the killing of two Western journalists and a citizen reporter who were among the few to bear witness of the civilian toll.
Activists spoke of “terrifying explosions” as encircling regime troops pounded the central city for a 20th straight day.”
Perspective……I’ll take the high gas thank you very much.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
8:47 am
md
yes.
the world and america are the same thing.
corporations and people are the same thing.
free speech and money are the same thing.
and WMDs and mobile chemical labs and mental recessions and kenyans…
oh my.
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:47 am
Joseph – “As I stated sarcastically I enjoy paying because it means more tax revenue for Obama and the dems to spend on their green energy fairytale….”
My apologies then. I thought you were advocating that the government get involved to somehow alter free trade. I agree with you, the price of fuel will never affect me, I just wish the bed wetters on here would quit complaining about the price of fuel and stop relying on the government to make everything better. Unless they want to nationalize the oil industry, or ammend the constitution to make cheap gas a God given right, they need to STFU and start taking responsibility for themselves. Those of us who made the right choices in life will always come out on top no matter who the president is.
godless heathen©
February 23rd, 2012
8:47 am
Normal: “President Obama has no control over oil prices, but I wish he did have the powers you seem to give him.”
Better tell his spokesman, Robert Gibbs that.
Robert Gibbs, 2/20/12: “Just on Friday, the Department of Interior issued permits that will expand our exploration in the Arctic. The president has increased our fuel efficiency and energy efficiency standards so we do use less energy, which will help drive down the price,” Gibbs said. “Our domestic oil production is at an eight-year high, and our use of foreign oil is at a 16-year low. So we’re making progress.”
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:47 am
Bill Orvis White
February 23rd, 2012
8:44 am
…and this is why some don’t like the First Amendment…but i like satire…
philosopher
February 23rd, 2012
8:48 am
The more this lying fool opens his mouth about contraception (”contraception is hurting women”, non-procreational sex is bad), the more I wonder if he is completely asexual, hates women, or was demasculinized by some woman in his life. and beyond that, I’m wondering about his supporters…are there that many people in this country with similar maladies???
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
8:48 am
Then we turn down oil from a neighboring country who seems to have no plans for our future.
Sounds like a bit of intellectual dishonesty there. We didn’t turn down oil, we turned down transporting oil. I don’t recall any part of that deal that stated the oil transported through that pipeline was specifically for use in the US alone. If you can prove otherwise, I’d love to see it.
Normal
February 23rd, 2012
8:49 am
godless heathen©
February 23rd, 2012
8:47 am
I’m not sure I understand,,,how does that affect gas prices on a global market?
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
8:49 am
bman
I can remember my great granddad talking about a loaf of bread for a nickel.
It’s a function of their age and experience and it’s been going on since Cain and his husband had children.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
8:49 am
md
Perspective
That’s what it’s all about…
USinUK
February 23rd, 2012
8:50 am
by the way … so entirely off topic, but it’s part of another conversation I’m having … I give you one of the best bits of Brassed Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8uoY9e5YVY&feature=related
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:51 am
bman – ” If I were to use your line that they should just shut up and go make more money”
It’s not my line, it’s the mantra of the GOP party. Everyone needs to take responsibilty for themselves, and the government needs to get the hell out of the way. However, when it starts to get to expensive to fuel up the Escalade every week, they can’t involve governement intervention fast enough.
md
February 23rd, 2012
8:52 am
“the world and america are the same thing.”
Granny….ANY oil added to the world supply benefits the US…….world demand isn’t going down any time soon…..the more supply the better.
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
8:52 am
we turn down oil from a nieghboring country….
LOL
godless heathen©
February 23rd, 2012
8:53 am
Terrible tragedy about the reporters that were killed in Syria. Couldn’t help but notice one, Marie Colvin, wore an eye patch.
When you were an eye patch, people think you are tough. When people think you are tough, they want to see how tough.
Sorry, that just came to mind when I saw her picture.
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:53 am
” I personally wish Obama would do absolutely nothing and make the free market straighten this sh*t out with gas prices.”
Oh, he will do something. First guess is he will blame and demonize the oil companies. He will probably float some new massive tax around on the companies. Of course, he will mention previous policies and Presidents so he can spread the blame around.
USinUK
February 23rd, 2012
8:53 am
and since Brassed Off is about colliary brass bands (in other words, they were affiliated with the coal pits) – the owners of those pits invested in the ARTS in those communities. They actually funded the brass bands as well as painting and other artistic expression because they felt it was important to 1) give back to the community and 2) foster that part of their workers’ lives …
Mick
February 23rd, 2012
8:54 am
bill orvis
I do not view the oval office as a “sacred” space. Whomever sits in that office is made up of flesh and bones, why do people want to make it more than that?
godless heathen©
February 23rd, 2012
8:54 am
Normal: “I’m not sure I understand,,,how does that affect gas prices on a global market?”
I don’t know, ask Mr. Gibbs.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2012
8:54 am
I seem to recall, as though it were only yesterday, Republicans bragging about their Escalades and such. Poor planning, huh. Meanwhile, my Honda has been very good to me and I’m thinkin’ about buying a Prius next once gas prices get up to about $5/gallon and stay there.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
8:55 am
bman
And that’s why I’m not one of his advisors. I’d tell him to make a simple statement about letting the free market work things out and leave it at that.
carlosgvv
February 23rd, 2012
8:55 am
Thulsa – 7 :22 PM
Not only is your reading comprehension flawed, you can’t even get who posts what straight. I never said anything about outlawing the confederate flag.
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
8:55 am
md -”….ANY oil added to the world supply benefits the US”
True, but the Candains already said that if they can’t run the pipline through the U.S. they would simply run it across Canada to the Pacific, where it would again be added to the world supply. What advantage do we have to running it through us if the end result is the same?
Stevie Ray
February 23rd, 2012
8:56 am
BRO,
I note in the paper today that BO’s team is taking offensive on gas prices: (1) He is pushing green crap as savior, (2) He is preparing us for higher prices, and here’s the best: (3) His team is creating plan to DIVERT the blame….This guy truly sux.
The gas issue is simply solved with a spine. Tell the world and OPEC that the largest consumer of oil is opening pipeline and granting new drilling permits on an expedited basis as we have to protect the middle class who needs to get to work and go on vacation. His concern is losing the green liberal cash but where else will it go? Ron Paul?
md
February 23rd, 2012
8:57 am
soco….yep.
To me, a good day is one where I can get out of bed………after that, it’s all down hill. Feeling down? Go visit your local nursing home…..better yet, volunteer there……perspective.
I still maintain that we as a nation are spoiled…….go live in Syria or NK or Burma or Pakistan or….
Folks really don’t know how good they have it…….even on the lower end of OUR scale.
TaxPayer
February 23rd, 2012
8:57 am
Also, your Republicans try to remember to check the air pressure in the tires on your Escalades before heading out. Every little bit helps.
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:57 am
Taxpayer .. .. you have a Honda and might buy a Prius? Killing American jobs?
http://www.uaw.org/car/cadillac-escalade
bman
February 23rd, 2012
8:59 am
Bro .. .. I’ve read a lot of your posts, and I’m guessing that you’re more of a democrat than a republican. But really, you don’t like either party very much. Am i close?
md
February 23rd, 2012
8:59 am
“What advantage do we have to running it through us if the end result is the same?”
Jobs…..
Talking Head
February 23rd, 2012
9:00 am
GE is now going exclusively with Chevy Volt for employees. If employees op out, they will not be reimbursed for fuel charges.
Interesting. GE pays no taxes, Jeffery Immelt (CEO of GE which also owns NBC and it’s affiliates) was on Obama’s economic recovery board, and GM was bailed out. Now GE is ‘forcing’ their employees to drive Chevy Volts…very interesting indeed.
http://gas2.org/2012/02/20/ge-forcing-employees-into-chevy-volts/
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 23rd, 2012
9:04 am
Maybe the irascible Bud will use this as a learning opportunity and show us his kinder, gentler compassionate conservative side.
Too funny.
Bud reminds me of the old joke my buddy Keith from Tennessee taught me years ago, “She’s the most even tempered person I’ve ever known; she’s always p*ssed off!”
And yes Granny, the only two good things I can think of to do with that awful swill that he fashions himself after, is using it in some sort of culinary or lawn care manner.
Other than that, like Bud himself, it is of no real value!
I absolutely adore Randy Newman’s version (who doesn’t?), but this bird from near Blackpool does a nice cover…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PKPs_yCeJ0
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
9:04 am
Stevie Ray
I don’t think that solution will work in the long run for one simple reason. Bush did it just a few years ago, and now that price drop is a blip in history. OPEC, and the rest of the world community, knows that we don’t have the resources to drill ourselves independent of the world’s oil supply.
Back in the 70’s, we should have done what Brazil has done themselves. They use oil they drill, but they are so oil independent that they still export after they get what they need. Why? They run on mostly ethanol now instead of oil based fuels.
I’m not suggesting we switch to ethanol, but we knew decades ago that this time was coming. We’ve had almost 40 years to research and produce a viable alternative instead of sticking our heads in the sand. At this point, nothing short of getting off of oil will lower the price on a permanent basis. What you’re suggesting will drop prices for a few months or maybe a year. However, next year or the year after, we will have the same problem sitting over our heads.
Aquagirl
February 23rd, 2012
9:05 am
The gas issue is simply solved with a spine.
Oh good lord. Other countries have more easily exploited oil sources than we do. That means at our rate of consumption we lose. Period.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
9:06 am
bman
You’re close. Some things I lean left, and on some things I lean right. I don’t align myself with either party primarily because I think they are both one and the same when it comes to corruption. Also, I refuse to lock myself into any specific ideology because I retain the right to change my outlook based on learning new things.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 23rd, 2012
9:06 am
Brosephus….have you been dallying in other blogs?…..check out that top comment to a post by pklute63. Looks very familiar
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
9:07 am
md
i don’t think the use of fossil fuels benefits anybody in the long run.
cough, cough
do you?
Stevie Ray
February 23rd, 2012
9:08 am
BRO,
I’m not suggesting we do anything but get pipeline and leases ready if needed. Easy negotiation IMO. Against political correctness, I think an attractive alternative is many years away and we can’t force technology (see religion) down the throats of the masses who dig their cars and have no access to meaningful public transportation. The fact that he is public with his DIVERSION strategy is mindboggling.
md
February 23rd, 2012
9:08 am
“Back in the 70’s, we should have done what Brazil has done themselves. ”
And proponents of gov’t solutions may want to take a look at what we did then to solve the problem……we created the DOE expressly to wean us off foreign oil…..been paying for that bureaucracy for 40+ years now……….bunch of suckers.
Soothsayer
February 23rd, 2012
9:09 am
Last week in one fell swoop the last two remaining critics of Washington/Tel Aviv imperialism were removed from the mainstream media. Judge Napolitano’s popular program, Freedom Watch, was cancelled by Fox TV, and Pat Buchanan was fired by MSNBC. Both pundits had wide followings and were appreciated for speaking frankly.
Many suspect that the Israel Lobby used its clout with TV advertisers to silence critics of the Israeli government’s efforts to lead Washington to war with Iran. Regardless, the point before us is that the voice of the mainstream media is now uniform. Americans hear one voice, one message, and the message is propaganda. Dissent is tolerated only on such issues as to whether employer-paid health benefits should pay for contraceptive devices. Constitutional rights have been replaced with rights to free condoms.
The idea that the US is a democracy when it most definitely does not have a free watchdog press is laughable. But the media is not laughing. It is lying. Just like the government, every time the US mainstream media opens its mouth or writes one word, it is lying. Indeed, its corporate masters pay its employees to tell lies. That is their job. Tell the truth, and you are history like Buchanan and Napolitano and Helen Thomas.
What the Ministry of Truth calls “peaceful protesters brutalized by Assad’s military” are in fact rebels armed and financed by Washington. Washington has fomented a civil war. Washington claims its intention is to rescue the oppressed and abused Syrian people from Assad, just as Washington rescued the oppressed and abused Libyan people from Gaddafi. Today “liberated” Libya is a shell of its former self terrorized by clashing militias. Thanks to Obama, another country has been destroyed.
Obama, the neoconservatives, and Tel Aviv are really pissed. If Washington and Tel Aviv can figure out how to get around Russia and China and overthrow Assad, Washington and Tel Aviv will put Assad on trial as a war criminal for proposing a democratic referendum.
Assad was an eye doctor in England until his father died, and he was called back to head the troubled government. Washington and Tel Aviv have demonized Assad for refusing to be their puppet. Another sore point is the Russian naval base at Tartus. Washington is desperate to evict the Russians from their only Mediterranean base in order to make the Mediterranean an american lake. Washington, inculcated with neocon visions of world empire, wants its own mare nostrum [our sea].
How about a little truth first thing in the morning instead of MSM lies and propaganda? Keep up the good work Paul Craig Roberts! Turn off the television.
kayaker 71
February 23rd, 2012
9:09 am
Talking Head,
That goes along with light bulbs, contraceptive devices, mandated health care insurance, school lunches….. where will it end? But Bozo and Michelle my Belle know whats best for us. I just have to feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
lovelyliz
February 23rd, 2012
9:11 am
You can’t fix stupid or keep it from running for president or kepp it from voting
gm
February 23rd, 2012
9:11 am
Bill Orvis White
These three men are more qualified to be in the Oval Office than the radical secularist currently occupying that precious, sacred
That Securlarist has given the order to kill more terrorist and has protected our nation the last 3 years, he should have allowed them to attack some of you right wing nut jobs then maybe you can remember the pain of 3500 Americans dead in Ny and 4500 troops dead in Iraq.
Bill we really need a 3 times adultry representing America around the world and religion nut who hates women and business killer in Romney you peopl need to back to the hole you tea party inside terrorist anti Obama haters are a disgrace to this country.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 23rd, 2012
9:12 am
oy vey…. the light bulb stupidity parade about to begin? How very very very very silly.
Talking Head
February 23rd, 2012
9:12 am
kayaker,
Bozo the clown, COTUS
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
9:12 am
md – “Jobs…..”
I’m all for jobs, but it wouldn’t lessen the price of fuel. Also, the area that the Keystone would take passes through the states that already have some of the lowest unemployment in the country.
Besides, I’m still for free trade and not interferring in the natural course of the markets. If people can’t buy gas, it’s really their problem, and not one that the government needs to solve.
Sorry.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
9:13 am
Talking Head
Doesn’t sound like anybody’s being “forced” after reading your link. Seems that GE is trying to save $$ through fuel costs. Paying for electricity right now is much cheaper than paying for $4-$5 gas. Sounds like a company trying to save along the bottom line to me. The fact that some even get a company car is much better than most of the working class anyway. I’m sure if you gave many a Volt as a company car, they wouldn’t complain at all. Hell, I’d take one if that meant I didn’t have to drive my own car as much AND pay for nearly as much gas.
md
February 23rd, 2012
9:13 am
“i don’t think the use of fossil fuels benefits anybody in the long run.”
nope……but in the short run it is all we have to drive our economy……don’t get through the short run, will there be a long run??
And yes, there will be a long run (unless Israel unleashes Armageddon), but who knows what it may look like…….we are not immune to bad things happening…..remember the pictures of the bread lines after the fall of the USSR? Folks are only fooling themselves if they think that can’t happen to us…..it can…..the question is will it? Folks that suffered through the depression understand that anything can happen…….2008 was our wake up call…….I think we are still sleeping.
Aquagirl
February 23rd, 2012
9:15 am
Obama haters are a disgrace to this country.
But some not-so-serious ones are funny as hell.
http://billwhitesavesamerica.blogspot.com/2012_02_01_archive.html
Pat
February 23rd, 2012
9:16 am
That’s the key issue here; the blanket, approved use of deception as acceptable Republican strategy, and a vast critical mass of Republican voters too ignorant to know they’re being fed baloney. Fox News and Rupert Murdoch bear much blame here, but all the blame can’t be laid at their doorstep. The willingness to be repeatedly lied to and deceived says something about the character of the voters of this party. No one, Republican or Democrat, likes receiving information – facts – that contradict a fondly held belief or prejudice. But when something is verified as fact and it contradicts something I want to believe, I have to make a difficult choice and confront my own biases. This willingness to deny, refute or distort fact is now a hallmark, not just of Republican politics, but policies. And it couldn’t have happened unless GOP voters let them get away with it.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 23rd, 2012
9:16 am
I really feel that the use of nicknames by the Left, Right and Middle just lowers the level of discussion.
I realize that I am in the minority on this.
BTW – While I am on my soapbox….any chance we can get through the day without someone writing about Media Matters and Fox News talking points?……….No…..didn’t think so.
kayaker 71
February 23rd, 2012
9:18 am
gm,
“He should be able to attack some of you right wing nut jobs”…. Just like he “got OBL”, gm? Got news for you gm, he already has. That’s pretty incendiary rhetoric, gm. Hey Bookman…. you gonna’ let this pass?
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
9:18 am
Stevie Ray
My point is still the same. We did that once with Bush. If you keep going left trying to drive to the bucket, eventually the defender will pick up on your fake and block your shot. I simply don’t think we should bluff anything. There’s many short term bridges we could use to slow down our oil consumption while we’re working towards a viable alternative. We put a man on the moon in less than 10 years. We built the hydrogen bomb in less time than that, I think. It should not take 40 plus years to find an alternative fuel source. As md pointed out, that was the reason for the creation of the DOE, and we’ve been sh*tted on since then.
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Keep up
Wasn’t me… honest!! Although, I’d give that guy/girl a pat on the back because that was well needed.
godless heathen©
February 23rd, 2012
9:18 am
Besides, I’m still for free trade and not interferring in the natural course of the markets. If people can’t buy insurance, it’s really their problem, and not one that the government needs to solve.
md
February 23rd, 2012
9:20 am
Truth Sooth?
Israel had a peace agreement with Mubarak…….and a partner at the other end of Gaza…..now?
Libya was no threat to Israel with Qaddafi……he was about keeping himself in power.
The above “truth” makes no sense…….
Butch Cassidy
February 23rd, 2012
9:20 am
godless heathen – “If people can’t buy insurance, it’s really their problem, and not one that the government needs to solve.”
Agreed. At this time, health insurance, much like cheap gas is not a right.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 23rd, 2012
9:21 am
I am with you bro…. perhaps you are the butterfly wind changing the world
Granny Godzilla
February 23rd, 2012
9:22 am
md
thankfully I don’t share your paranoia.
Talking Head
February 23rd, 2012
9:23 am
“Talking Head
Doesn’t sound like anybody’s being “forced” after reading your link. Seems that GE is trying to save $$ through fuel costs. Paying for electricity right now is much cheaper than paying for $4-$5 gas. Sounds like a company trying to save along the bottom line to me. The fact that some even get a company car is much better than most of the working class anyway. I’m sure if you gave many a Volt as a company car, they wouldn’t complain at all. Hell, I’d take one if that meant I didn’t have to drive my own car as much AND pay for nearly as much gas.”
Bro,
Stay on point with the connection between Jeffery Immelt and GE, GM, the underperforming Chevy Volt, and the Obama Administration. This is what’s interesting.
By the way, you said “Paying for electricity right now is much cheaper than paying for $4-$5 gas.” Guess what is used to produce electricity? I’ll give you a hint, it’s fossil fuels (and demand for those products are going up)
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 23rd, 2012
9:23 am
Lou Dobbs is on Faux News now?
Hysterical.
I remember seeing some years back on the Communist News Network, thinking, “OMG, where did they dig this moronic dufus up from?”
It makes sense that he became a flunky for the Republican Noise Network, masquerading as a business analyst…
Just saying..
February 23rd, 2012
9:25 am
I agree, Jay. I used to have tremendous respect for the Republican Party, and we need a strong opposition party to call out the Democrats when needed.
But this current crowd of frauds, opportunists, and clowns… Just so sad.
md
February 23rd, 2012
9:28 am
“thankfully I don’t share your paranoia.”
Thats it, throw out meaningless words like paranoia……….to a mathematician, they are called possibilities……and believe it or not, all possibilities are possible.
Paranoia would be not getting in a car because xx number of folks die in auto accidents every single day………but you are free to use your labels on folks you don’t know as often as you wish…..only makes you look silly.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 23rd, 2012
9:36 am
Keep Up
That’s a scary proposition if I’m the wind changing the world. We’re really gonna hope that Mayan calendar is right before it’s all done.
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Talking Head
Any other time with different companies, that decision would be hailed as damned good way to cut costs. I saw the connections you’re talking to. I still see it as a way of cutting costs. That’s the only way companies remain viable nowadays.
As to the cost of electricity, yeah it’s generated using fossil fuels. I also get to talk to engineers who are installing gas turbines all around the world to generate electricity. Natural gas burns cleaner than coal, and there’s also the jobs for building, installing, and maintaining gas turbines. That’s still done, by GE (if you want to add another layer to your conspiracy theory) in New York state.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 23rd, 2012
9:45 am
B. O. White — “rational, conservative folk”
Objection! Assuming facts not in evidence, Your Honor. (laughing)
Oscar
February 23rd, 2012
10:42 am
If people can’t buy insurance, it’s really their problem, and not one that the government needs to solve.”
_________
Well, that’s the debated, isn’t it. Not a question of need, but question is whether or not government should help provide medical care for people who can’t afford it. Lot’s of people think it should. We will vote on that question in November.
Billings
February 23rd, 2012
10:54 am
And Paul Ryan is going to throw granny off a cliff?
Santorum was wrong.
That aside, can Bookman deny that there may exist a power of persuasion within the Netherlands that is feared by their elders? No, he cannot.
chuck
February 23rd, 2012
11:09 am
Jay, according to:
http://www.euthanasia.com/hollchart.html
5981 patients were killed by their doctors in the Netherlands in 1990 WITHOUT CONSENT. I am looking for current statistics, but they don’t seem to be available as they are not listed among mortality rates that I have been able to find as yet. Perhaps you can tell us where you got YOUR statistics.
chuck
February 23rd, 2012
11:13 am
Also, it is quite possible that your statistics are skewed as well:
http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/holland-background/
“In the overwhelming majority of Dutch euthanasia cases, doctors–in order to avoid additional paperwork and scrutiny from local authorities–deliberately falsify patients’ death certificates, stating that the deaths occurred from natural causes. (19) In reference to Dutch euthanasia guidelines and the requirement that physicians report all euthanasia and assisted-suicide deaths to local prosecutors, a government health inspector recently told the New York Times: “In the end the system depends on the integrity of the physician, of what and how he reports. If the family doctor does not report a case of voluntary euthanasia or an assisted suicide, there is nothing to control.” (20)”
chuck
February 23rd, 2012
11:24 am
Also Jay, a REAL journalist would have checked a source beyond Media Matters before posting:
http://law.jrank.org/pages/1100/Euthanasia-Assisted-Suicide-Euthanasia-in-Netherlands.html
“…approximately 59 percent of euthanasia and assistedsuicide deaths are not reported to the coroner as required by the guidelines. Thus, they claim that the actual number of Dutch patients killed is probably far higher than the statistics seem to show. Proponents admit that unreported euthanasia deaths are a problem but counter that full legalization would remove fear of prosecution thereby increasing compliance with reporting requirements.”
md
February 23rd, 2012
11:40 am
Save it chuck…..folks here don’t want to see anything outside their preconceived notions……you can present evidence all day long and they’ll blow it off as if you are some kind of kook.
Ben Franklin
February 24th, 2012
12:30 am
It is a telling fact about the American intellect that these 4 men are being
given hundreds of millions of dollars and have tens of millions of supporters.
Is says to the world ” Look at us (USA) we are stupid and support these
bigots and fools.
The Anerican media is at fault for never questioning these men when they
tell blatant lies . The self described “virtuous and wise” media just let
this bullsh!t flow unchecked.
kghgkj
February 24th, 2012
9:22 am
“I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country…”
We call them democrats.
T
February 24th, 2012
4:13 pm
…. and John Edwards is a symptom of the democrat party .. lying, deception, cheating, and back room deals.
I am not a Santorum fan .. I do not like him, I would not vote for him but, I thought the headline equating him to the GOP is a low blow and us against them mentality.