Santorum a symptom of the GOP’s very deep ills
For those who don’t have video access, here’s what Rick Santorum has to say in the interview above:
“In the Netherlands, people wear different bracelets if they are elderly. And the bracelet is: ‘Do not euthanize me.’ Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized — 10 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, they will not come out of that hospital if they go in there with sickness.”
A few quick points:
1.) The remarks above come from the frontrunner for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, a man who in late February is still leading the race by some 10 percentage points nationwide.
2.) This statement was made not five years ago or 10 years ago, but earlier this month.
3.) Not a shred of what Santorum says is true. There are no such bracelets in the Netherlands. They exist only in the same reality in which green men from Mars exist, and in fact the Dutch press is laughing at Santorum’s claim that “we in the Netherlands delight in murder of the elderly.”
While the Netherlands does have a euthanasia law, a total of 3,136 terminally ill people took advantage of that option in 2010, a far cry from Santorum’s claim of 10 percent of all deaths in that nation.
Under Dutch law, the attending physician must certify in writing that the patient has made “a voluntary and carefully considered request” to die. The physician must also certify that the patient is undergoing unbearable suffering and that the patient’s condition is terminal, with no hope of recovery. As Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post further notes, “the patient must voluntarily and repeatedly request the procedure, and another doctor must provide a written opinion agreeing with the diagnosis. After the death, a commission made up of a doctor, a jurist and an ethical expert also are required to verify that the requirements for euthanasia have been met.”
Say what you choose about the merits of euthanasia. Feel free to debate it. But Santorum’s claims that half of euthanasia deaths in the Netherlands are involuntary — i.e., outright murder — and that senior citizens are terrified of going into the hospital lest they be killed in order to save on health care costs are absolutely ludicrous. It is ignorant fear-mongering, and as the gasps and moans on the tape reveal, people swallow it.
4.) Did I mention that this man leads in every national poll for the Republican presidential nomination? As a Dutch writer notes, “It would be laughable if not for the fact that Santorum is still very much in the race for the Republican nomination against Barack Obama for the presidency of the most powerful country in the world.”
Look, every party has its Maxine Waters and, to a lesser degree, its Dennis Kuciniches. However, Waters did not just win three presidential primaries, as Santorum has. When Kucinich ran for president in 2008, he got all of 1.35 percent of the vote in New Hampshire’s Democratic primary and then dropped out.
I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness. It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the Republican Party, but it’s also bad for the Democrats, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.
– Jay Bookman
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josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm
rivercard
“I love the looks on their faces when I tell them that quite honestly Obama is much too conservative for my taste.”
Likewise.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:36 pm
Why did the credit card companies raise rates?
For the same reason that dogs lick themselves,
Because they could.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:38 pm
Not going to answer md?
Fine.
So much for that retraction request, I guess.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm
Still havn’t gotten to the part where Santorum was correct anywhere in his statement…
I’m sure md will bust out further citations from an organization with a P.O. box in Steubenville, OH, telling us what’s going on in the Netherlands. Because when I want to know about frightened elderly Dutch people, Ohio is the logical place for that information.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm
In the good news for lib ilks pile, the O’bozo administration has been making great strides towards their goal of increasing energy prices beyond which most Americans can only imagine. As O’bozo’s Energy Secretary said:
“Somehow,” Chu said, “we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe.”
Gotta love them euro-socialists!
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:39 pm
“What specifically did Santorum get right?”
You can start with the part about being afraid to go to the hospital……unless you have newer evidence that suggests that is no longer true. Then you can lump the rest into something kin to 57 states…..
From what I have been reading, he got the gist of the story right……….
Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2012
6:40 pm
Dear Sinkwich, you just proved Obama has a chink in his armor.
TM
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
Jay likes the guy who goes to church to hears and support “god dam America”. Oh yeah Jay he tried to walk back from that but he is still your man. If that ain’t a deep ill I don’t know what is.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
“I love the looks on their faces when I tell them that quite honestly Obama is much too conservative for my taste.”
Because they can’t believe Marxists still exist in this day and age?
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
Seems many here have an aversion to reading……..posting silly nonsense instead of using the google.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
6:42 pm
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:13 pm
Mr. Right wins the award for drama queen tonight.
Looks like I’ll have to up my game.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:43 pm
‘Seems many here have an aversion to reading……..posting silly nonsense instead of using the google.’
Step away from the mirror…
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:44 pm
SINKWICH
“Because they can’t believe Marxists still exist in this day and age”
Just goes to show you can’t believe half of what you see or hear…that ilk all seem to have a few hiding under the bed and behind the drapes…
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
“Dear Sinkwich, you just proved Obama has a chink in his armor.”
For shame, Rag, didn’t you know the Lib ilk PC police at ESPN fired a guy for writing that???
Jay is gonna be really upset…
Just sayin’
Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
jcb – since Bro was outted the other day as a white guy, are you sure that isn’t a picture of him trying to get a little darker for us
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
‘And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. ‘
Jay, I think this is the part the md has ‘proven’ to be correct…based on his trip to the google…
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 pm
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
4:27 pm
Welcome to the Boomtown Bro, there are many like you here. Be careful though. The far right will call you a leftist and a lib now.
And the far left will call you a wingnutand a con and ASSUME you get all your info from Fox and talk radio.
And that wouldn’t be right, right Fred?
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
6:48 pm
Of course, the fact that the Dutch press seems to find this whole idea ridiculous and laughable argues strongly for the other side, but …
ty webb
February 22nd, 2012
6:48 pm
Santorum is a politician…he lies… and it doesn’t depend on what the definition of “is’ is.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:50 pm
JAY
Back to that “how off the hinges are we” that he could be taken seriously, what can you say when people still walk among us who actually spout that Obama is a Marxist, Euro-Socialist and what have you and actually DO believe it…that’s just how bloody ignorant we have become. Call me an elitist uppity snob, but it’s proof that a little education is a dangerous thing…
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:53 pm
“Why did the credit card companies raise rates?
For the same reason that dogs lick themselves,
Because they could.”
Are you folks really that dense when it comes to business practices?
Cut off revenue from one source, they go to another…….simple math. It sure as hell isn’t coming from their pockets……you bunch of dummies. But instead of actually being able to charge the folks that weren’t paying their bills now they spread it around to everybody.
But I guess those on the left like paying for their neighbors boat…..but it is usually with someone Else’s money……now it’s yours.
Mighty Righty
February 22nd, 2012
6:53 pm
Read before judging.
http://www.euthanasia.com/holland99.htm
Seems old people in the Netherlands do carry letter to keep dosctors from killing them under their euthanasia law.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
6:54 pm
JAY
“Of course, the fact that the Dutch press seems to find this whole idea ridiculous and laughable argues strongly for the other side, but…”
Well, they can afford that luxury…we can’t…except maybe in the sense of gallows humor…
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:55 pm
“Step away from the mirror…”
Out of curiosity, have you done any research on the subject…..read any of the links…..or just rah rah sis boom bah behind the head cheerleader??
md
February 22nd, 2012
6:57 pm
“Of course, the fact that the Dutch press seems to find this whole idea ridiculous and laughable argues strongly for the other side, but …”
Of course they do…..I wouldn’t want folks poking around in my dirty laundry either……..
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
6:58 pm
“…verging on collective madness”
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These people try to stabilize their distorted reality and maintain their perception of safety.
We need to understand the hidden patterns that motivate these people.
They are Narcissists and Borderlines.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:58 pm
I think all the concerns about O’bozo and his lib ilk sycophants intruding into very aspect of our lives is exaggerated. Oh wait, what’s this?
“The Obama administration is working on setting nutritional standards for foods that children can buy outside the cafeteria.”
Michelle’s food Gestapo coming to a neighborhood near you!
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:00 pm
“Read before judging.”
I’m beginning to think that many here haven’t read anything other than this blog for a very long time………….
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
7:02 pm
Santorium will be proven to be….not Presidential in short order, but dismiss the GOP at you’re own peril, they just have to get the indy’s mildly interested…I’m not counting out the left either, but it’ll take a Biden\Clinton swap
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
7:03 pm
Cut off revenue from one source, they go to another…….simple math. It sure as hell isn’t coming from their pockets……you bunch of dummies. But instead of actually being able to charge the folks that weren’t paying their bills now they spread it around to everybody,
And the clueless dummy award goes to the poster of the above. So you mean that cut off from earning fees with deceptive practices, manipulation of processing to maximize fees and from misleading disclosure practices (among many other practices) that they actually raise rates so that people who borrow money understand its true cost….and that is the President’s fault. Utterly clueless.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
7:03 pm
SINKWICH
What forum did Michelle choose to announce her cause of nutrition and childhood obeisity and why that choice?
josef
February 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm
CAT
Dismissing Santorum, imuo, is so much whistling past the graveyard…
Mighty Righty
February 22nd, 2012
7:05 pm
Obama’s new tax on oil companies is a tax on the poor. The poor who are too stupid to understand basic economics. All increases in cost of commodities is passed on to the end user in the form of increased prices. Just like the present increase in the wholesale price of oil that increase is added at the pump, on airline tickets, public transportation, price of food, utilities, and everything that consumers use. It is a tax. It is a tax. It is a tax. A well known quote is “the art of tazation is to shear the sheep as close as possible without the sheep minding.” Obama is an expert at taxation. His program of confiscating money from the poor while making them believe he is doing them a favor. He is brilliant. He takes from the poor and gives to his rich friends. Amazing.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
7:06 pm
“I’m beginning to think that many here haven’t read anything other than this blog for a very long time”
Sounds like it’s time for you to expand your horizons then.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:09 pm
“And the clueless dummy award goes to the poster of the above. So you mean that cut off from earning fees with deceptive practices, manipulation of processing to maximize fees and from misleading disclosure practices (among many other practices) that they actually raise rates so that people who borrow money understand its true cost….and that is the President’s fault. Utterly clueless.”
You keep posting that nonsense…..but the truth of the matter is if those items were occurring to various individuals a targeted policy could have been put in place to address those issues……they didn’t need to re-paint the whole house to fix a nick in wall.
By re-inventing the wheel, the rest of us will now make up the difference for those that weren’t paying their bills.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
Utterly clueless.
can I get an amen?
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
@TM
February 22nd, 2012
6:41 pm
Jay likes the guy who goes to church to hears and support “god dam America”. Oh yeah Jay he tried to walk back from that but he is still your man. If that ain’t a deep ill I don’t know what is.
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Republicans like the guy (Santorum) who says being gay is akin to beastiality.
How DISGUSTING.
“As a man thinketh so is he.”
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
I have been saying for sometime here that this country is dumbing down and Republicans are leading the way. I have been called stupid, ignorant, Socialist and Communist, just to name a few. Santorium’s strong showing so far only validates what I’ve been saying all along. Maybe we have enough intelligent Democrats and independents, for now, to keep this crazed man out of the White House. Still, the handwriting seems to be on the wall for America. Sooner or later, we will be just another third world country with idiots for leaders.
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
josef
you could be right (pardon the pun)…I live and travel in conservative circles, I don’t know anyone who talks about him…or anyone else for that matter….most if not all will go out and vote for the R…no matter…i don’t see the the true independents voting for Santorum
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
“Sounds like it’s time for you to expand your horizons then.”
I did….how about you? Or did you just take Jays word for it?
bman
February 22nd, 2012
7:11 pm
““I’m beginning to think that many here haven’t read anything other than this blog for a very long time”
Other than cnbc.com, this is my only news-related stop.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
7:12 pm
“i did….how about you? Or did you just take Jays word for it?”
You did? Really? You seem to be here a LOT for someone with expanded horizons.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:14 pm
@F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
6:58 pm
I think all the concerns about O’bozo and his lib ilk sycophants intruding into very aspect of our lives is exaggerated. Oh wait, what’s this?
“The Obama administration is working on setting nutritional standards for foods that children can buy outside the cafeteria.”
Michelle’s food Gestapo coming to a neighborhood near you!
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HOLD UP SINK
Santorum says being gay is akin to beastiality.
The cons ilk sycophants intruding into every aspect of peoples’ lives.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:14 pm
As the backup cheerleader enters stage right……..
josef
February 22nd, 2012
7:16 pm
CAT
I certainly hope you’re right (no pun intended here either!) but given what’s been the tone of this campaign season, nothing would surprise me…
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:16 pm
“You did? Really? You seem to be here a LOT for someone with expanded horizons.”
How many articles did you read on this subject Dog? I’ve got 5 pages open reading various accounts……it’s called not taking Jay’s word for it.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:17 pm
So what was the truthful gist of the story that Santorum presented regarding the Dutch. Was it the ten percent of the elderly being involuntarily euthanized? Or was it something else.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm
Read before judging.
Too late, the Dutch Society To Euthanize All The Old Folks has obviously hacked your link and replaced it with a 404-file not found message. Damn, this conspiracy is huge.
I would suggest you post again but they’ll probably get to you before you can do that. If it’s any consolation we will always remember your heroic effort.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:18 pm
I’ve got 5 pages open reading various accounts……it’s called not taking Jay’s word for it.
find anything I got wrong yet, md?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
7:22 pm
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
7:10 pm
I have been saying for sometime here that this country is dumbing down and Republicans are leading the way. I have been called stupid, ignorant,
carlosgvv,
Well carlos you did posit the idea on the general lee commentary the other day that the confederate flag should be outlawed. If that aint stupid and ignorant than what is? Stupid and dumb is when one person doesn’t like a symbol and therefore thinks it should be outlawed. You can’t legislate thought or feelings and most of all free speech. And this is from a guy who does not support the confederate flag. I just don’t think you can make a law against it just cause you don’t like it. People with views like you are nothing short of scary.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm
‘You can’t legislate thought or feelings and most of all free speech. And this is from a guy who does not support the confederate flag. I just don’t think you can make a law against it just cause you don’t like it. People with views like you are nothing short of scary.’
Just wondering about your thoughts on the proposed mosque near the 9/11 memorial in NY…
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
7:26 pm
It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the Republican Party, but it’s also bad for the Democrats, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.
Jay–I’m almost hearing a begrudging respect for conservatives here. Quite a contrast to the rest of your columns to date.
You can look back as far as you want in this blog and the old W2W blog and you’ll see me criticizing the religious whackos who have nearly ruined the Republican Party. I personally see no need to pander to them because they likely aren’t voting for the Dem candidate anyway. Why alienate the rest of the voters in the process?? Of course, the primaries are a different story in which the whacko support can make or break the candidate, which is where the difficulty may begin.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:27 pm
“Santorum says being gay is akin to beastiality.
The cons ilk sycophants intruding into every aspect of peoples’ lives. ”
So Santorum says something, which you haven’t proved, and somehow that’s the same thing as using the power of government to force certain behavior from the masses.
Got it.
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:31 pm
When this supposed serious candidate for President of the United States can’t get half of the facts straight in any given story, is it any wonder your garden variety con can’t either?
It is now part and parcel of their twisted Bushist ideology that they all get from the same handful of demented oracles.
The whole frigging gang is one large walking logical fallacy…
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:32 pm
“A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that Washington state cannot require pharmacists to dispense emergency contraceptives if to do so violates their religious beliefs.”
Bummer for lib ilks…
I feel your pain.
Not really.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:33 pm
Bush!!!!!
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm
In an interview with the Associated Press (AP) taped on April 7, 2003 and published April 20, 2003, Santorum stated that he believed mutually consenting adults do not have a constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts. Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, and bestiality, whose decriminalization he believed would threaten society and the family, as they are not monogamous and heterosexual.
The man is a virulent xenophobe and Frank, as always, knows nothing of what he speaks. And even if he did, he loves this type of asshat…
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:35 pm
“find anything I got wrong yet, md?”
As I said, it seems he got the gist of the story correct……some folks are afraid to go to the hospital….some folks do carry a card in their wallet directing not to euthanize….and past data does show that Dutch doctors have put people down involuntarily…….
You are more than welcome to ignore all that if you so wish……….as many of the sis boom bah crowd will certainly do….
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm
You keep posting that nonsense…..but the truth of the matter is if those items were occurring to various individuals a targeted policy could have been put in place to address those issues……they didn’t need to re-paint the whole house to fix a nick in wall.
By re-inventing the wheel, the rest of us will now make up the difference for those that weren’t paying their bills.
Nice volley, md. While you presented facts and formed a rational opinion, the liberals answered with condescending insults and references to dogs licking themselves. Classic.
In my case, Chase attempted to raise my interest rate from 8% to 24%, despite a perfect repayment history and a sterling FICO score. I guess it was just a coincidence that it occurred shortly before the new credit laws took effect.
Of course, your comments perfectly apply to the new health care laws as well. Instead of targeting specific problems, they came up with an overhaul that will only make things worse.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:36 pm
“A federal judge ruled on Wednesday that Washington state cannot require pharmacists to dispense emergency contraceptives if to do so violates their religious beliefs.”
Wow! And all the young lady asked for was an aspirin.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
It seems as though the gist of things is overrated these days.
Orange12
February 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm
Mitt will cut taxes 20% across the board. Vote for Mitt!
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:38 pm
@Ragnar Danneskjöld
February 22nd, 2012
6:33 pm
I also heard that Santorum correctly predicted that Satan would take America in 2008!
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Santorum is a SYMPTOM of the GOP’s very deep EVILil and MALEVOLENTintention ((harmful influence) .
Men cannot force us to think wrongly unless we choose to agree with them.
The mind is the intellect, with reasoning being the “voice” of the mind.
Republicans speak up and take your party back from the lunatic fringe (If you have the integrity).
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:40 pm
So, credit card companies charge folks interest! What on earth for. I wonder, do they have to inform the customer of their rates and how long it will take to pay off a debt at the minimum payment, etc.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:41 pm
Sinkwich, that ruling will be overturned.
Feel free to remind if I’m proved wrong, but I very much doubt you’ll have that opportunity.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:42 pm
“Santorum stated that he believed mutually consenting adults do not have a constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts.”
Says who?
Your lack of an actual quotation says volumes.
Source: Daily Kos.
Bwahahahahaha.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:45 pm
“It seems as though the gist of things is overrated these days.”
Haven’t looked at the material either huh?
It’s all there in black and white…..all one has to do is read it.
Or not……no skin off my teeth either way. I do have to say thanks to jay for bringing it to my attention……..seems the Dutch are way ahead of us on the healthcare discussion as well as bringing to light that economics may very well come into play.
Of course one won’t know that if they refuse to read up on the subject.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
“Sinkwich, that ruling will be overturned.”
Jay, of the next step is the 9th circus court, an institution so out of step with constitutional law it is routinely overruled by the SC, I fear you’re correct.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:46 pm
I suspect this will answer your question, Sinkwich:
““If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything. Does that undermine the fabric of our society? I would argue yes, it does. It all comes from, I would argue, this right to privacy that doesn’t exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution. “
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
The gist of the story is that you cannot get almost all of the facts wrong and still say you got it essentially right.
Bruno, F&CK Chase. And Citigroup. And BoA.
Those MFers damn near ruined this country.
And of course those criminal banksters are always looking for new ways to screw people over. They’ve been doing it VERY successfully for a long, long time. So Uncle Sam shuts down one of their methods and they find another.
But NO! It’s Uncle Sam who is the bad guy.
Republicans Speak Up And Take Your Party Back From The Lunatic Fringe (If you have the integrity)
February 22nd, 2012
7:47 pm
@F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:27 pm
“Santorum says being gay is akin to beastiality.
The cons ilk sycophants intruding into every aspect of peoples’ lives. ”
So Santorum says something, which you haven’t proved, and somehow that’s the same thing as using the power of government to force certain behavior from the masses.
Got it.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In 2003, in response to comments by then-U.S. Senator Rick Santorum that were criticized as anti-gay, sex columnist and gay rights activist Dan Savage began a campaign to (in Savage’s words) “memorialize the Santorum scandal [...] by attaching his name to a sex act that would make his big, white teeth fall out of his big, empty head”.
Santorum made the comments to which Savage took offense in an April 2003 interview with the Associated Press. Discussing a recent United States Supreme Court decision striking down an anti-sodomy law, Santorum compared the right to consensual (homosexual) sex within the home to
polygamy, incest and adultery, and made references to bestiality and child sexual abuse in the
context of distinguishing them from monogamous, heterosexual marriage as forms of deviant sexual behavior.
GOT IT SINK?
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
7:48 pm
AmVet (love today’s tag by the way): The whole frigging gang is one large walking logical fallacy
For a second……just a second mind you……i just knew you were gonna say “phallic” instead o “fallacy”.
My mind continually lives in the gutter. Sorry.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
“In my case, Chase attempted to raise my interest rate from 8% to 24%, despite a perfect repayment history and a sterling FICO score. I guess it was just a coincidence that it occurred shortly before the new credit laws took effect. ”
Same with me Bruno……and when I called, they were straight up with me…..no, they didn’t like having to screw their good customers…..yes it was because they had to make up for the bad ones…..and yep, I still paid off my balances.
And you are dead on with the ACA……but the gimmes here will never see that.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
7:49 pm
Sinkwich
Let me get the quote correct for you………. Slow your roll on your own talking pts
“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_controversy_regarding_homosexuality
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AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 pm
Do you know how to read standard, written English? If so, tell me exactly what the sixth and seventh words in that post are.
Frankie, have you ever even heard of the Associated Press???
They ain’t Daily Kos, Arnold Einstein…
Ninja
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 pm
Why do democrats keep bringing up Reagan? We need to move far, far away from that idiocy. If democrats don’t do it, nobody will.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:51 pm
“The gist of the story is that you cannot get almost all of the facts wrong and still say you got it essentially right.”
When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??
The correlation to what Santorum said is there in black and white……read it.
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
7:52 pm
Santorum described the ability to regulate consensual homosexual acts as comparable to the states’ ability to regulate other consensual and non-consensual sexual behavior, such as adultery, polygamy, child molestation, incest, and bestiality
I wonder if Sanitarium is a closet weirdo. I bet he has a thing for clowns dressed like lions who love to jump through hoops in high heels.
md
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm
“So Uncle Sam shuts down one of their methods and they find another.
But NO! It’s Uncle Sam who is the bad guy.”
And that’s correct if you would open your eyes……Uncle Sugar could have fixed the problem without affecting as many in collateral damage…..they chose not to.
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 pm
‘When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??’
Obama was off by a much lower percentage than Santorum…
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
7:54 pm
It’s well established in constitutional law that pharmacists have no such right, Sinkwich. If they want to be pharmacists, they have a professional obligation to dispense all legally available prescribed drugs. If that bothers them, they can solve the problem by ceasing to be pharmacists.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
7:54 pm
It’s all there in black and white…..all one has to do is read it.
Yeah, there’s your 411 from Steubenville, Ohio, the REAL pulse of the Netherlands.
What a fascinating example of how a wingnut pretzels their thinking. Watching md go through this process was strangely compelling—kind of like watching video of an ant attacked by a brain fungus.
bman
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm
“I bet he has a thing for clowns dressed like lions who love to jump through hoops in high heels”
I’m still thinking this one over.. ..
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm
Haven’t looked at the material either huh?
Given that you failed to cut and paste the gist of things including the wearing of the bracelets and the ten percent euthanized involuntarily, what do you expect me to find upon a reading for myself. Do I need to order a decoder ring first.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 pm
Sinkwich
I bet you think he didnt say the following as well……….. Thought so
Here is what Santorum told NPR about the role of government in 2006:
“This whole idea of personal autonomy, well I don’t think most conservatives hold that point of view. Some do. They have this idea that people should be left alone … [that] government should keep our taxes down and keep our regulations low, that we shouldn’t get involved in the bedroom, we shouldn’t get involved in cultural issues. … Well, that is not how traditional conservatives view the world and I think most conservatives understand that individuals can’t go it alone.”
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
7:57 pm
md, I did.
The man misspoke horribly. He does it regularly. He is a consummate BSer. He knows just enough to get things sort of, kind of, maybe, possibly, almost right. But he is so undisciplined he just can’t pay attention to detail, because that works against his pandering, hyperbolic rhetoric and fear mongering.
I just more or less laugh at the boob for his juvenile mistakes.
DDR, combine them and you get……….phallacy!
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
7:58 pm
If it feels good, do it!
It’s a constitutional right.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 pm
When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??
No more so than I knew what Bush meant when he said, “The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th.”
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 pm
“I’’m still thinking this one over.. ”
And I’m trying to figure out if it’s the hoops that wear high heels, or the lions!
DebbieDoRight
February 22nd, 2012
8:00 pm
When Obama said 57 States, did you know what he meant??
Hmmm did anyone mention the teleprompter yet? If not, you guys must be slipping……
md
February 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm
“Given that you failed to cut and paste the gist of things including the wearing of the bracelets and the ten percent euthanized involuntarily, what do you expect me to find upon a reading for myself.”
Actually, one of my first links had the journal that included the number euthanized involuntarily…..
I then posted the quote from the survey in which the Dutch admitted to being afraid to go to the hospital along with the organization that prints wallet cards for people that don’t want to be involuntarily euthanized……
It’s all there……have at it.
As for Aquagirl…….bless your heart, I know your trying.
Towncrier
February 22nd, 2012
8:01 pm
“I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness.”
All I can say is it’s a good thing you didn’t grow up among the Dixiecrats in the south during the 40s and 50s. You would be in a mental ward.
“It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the Republican Party, but it’s also bad for the Democrats, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.”
I largely agree with your sentiments here. But I cannot control who runs for office. On the bright side, it seems that all of Romney’s opponents are self-destructing before our very eyes. That is why I am really, really hoping for a brokered convention and someone far more viable will take the nomination without having had to go through a grueling primary process. I like Romney all right, but he does not seem to have deep convictions about things. Paul certainly does, but he’s really out there on some issues.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
seems the Dutch are way ahead of us on the healthcare discussion as well as bringing to light that economics may very well come into play.
Good luck, md, the Lefties don’t like to acknowledge any of the drawbacks of socialized medicine.
In a Palinesque manner, Santorum seems to have misstated some of the material facts of the matter, and his timeline may be off, but the essence of his concern is rooted in reality as you have documented, md.
josef
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
DDR
I’ll say this about Santorum, call it my early childhood training, but my radar went up on him the first time I ever watched him speaking thusly. He’s what my mentors told me to watch out for.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
Debate time!
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 pm
Actually, one of my first links had the journal that included the number euthanized involuntarily…..
And that number was …. 0.7 percent, back in the mid-90s?
AmVet - Stop the Phallacy Party.
February 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm
Uncle Sugar could have fixed the problem without affecting as many in collateral damage.
Please do enlighten me as to how…
BTW, this boneheaded move by Ricky S is not analogous to the 57 states. That was one verbal faux pas. Santorum (intentionally?) misstated at least four facts in two consecutive sentences.
bman
February 22nd, 2012
8:03 pm
doggone haha .. .. have you ever noticed the women- or least the ones with the woman-like names – post some really funny stuff. And, they’re mean! I didn’t think anyone was more mean than Midori. Then I read Aquagirl. She’s a tough one!
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:04 pm
Silly grandiose debate lead in
John king is dumb
Brosephus™ - "Browning America Since 1973"
February 22nd, 2012
8:04 pm
DDR
I will never look at clowns, lions, or high heels in the same light anymore. Now, I can only hope I don’t have nightmares after reading that.