Santorum a symptom of the GOP’s very deep ills
For those who don’t have video access, here’s what Rick Santorum has to say in the interview above:
“In the Netherlands, people wear different bracelets if they are elderly. And the bracelet is: ‘Do not euthanize me.’ Because they have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands but half of the people who are euthanized — 10 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands — half of those people are euthanized involuntarily at hospitals because they are older and sick. And so elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country, because they are afraid, because of budget purposes, they will not come out of that hospital if they go in there with sickness.”
A few quick points:
1.) The remarks above come from the frontrunner for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination, a man who in late February is still leading the race by some 10 percentage points nationwide.
2.) This statement was made not five years ago or 10 years ago, but earlier this month.
3.) Not a shred of what Santorum says is true. There are no such bracelets in the Netherlands. They exist only in the same reality in which green men from Mars exist, and in fact the Dutch press is laughing at Santorum’s claim that “we in the Netherlands delight in murder of the elderly.”
While the Netherlands does have a euthanasia law, a total of 3,136 terminally ill people took advantage of that option in 2010, a far cry from Santorum’s claim of 10 percent of all deaths in that nation.
Under Dutch law, the attending physician must certify in writing that the patient has made “a voluntary and carefully considered request” to die. The physician must also certify that the patient is undergoing unbearable suffering and that the patient’s condition is terminal, with no hope of recovery. As Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post further notes, “the patient must voluntarily and repeatedly request the procedure, and another doctor must provide a written opinion agreeing with the diagnosis. After the death, a commission made up of a doctor, a jurist and an ethical expert also are required to verify that the requirements for euthanasia have been met.”
Say what you choose about the merits of euthanasia. Feel free to debate it. But Santorum’s claims that half of euthanasia deaths in the Netherlands are involuntary — i.e., outright murder — and that senior citizens are terrified of going into the hospital lest they be killed in order to save on health care costs are absolutely ludicrous. It is ignorant fear-mongering, and as the gasps and moans on the tape reveal, people swallow it.
4.) Did I mention that this man leads in every national poll for the Republican presidential nomination? As a Dutch writer notes, “It would be laughable if not for the fact that Santorum is still very much in the race for the Republican nomination against Barack Obama for the presidency of the most powerful country in the world.”
Look, every party has its Maxine Waters and, to a lesser degree, its Dennis Kuciniches. However, Waters did not just win three presidential primaries, as Santorum has. When Kucinich ran for president in 2008, he got all of 1.35 percent of the vote in New Hampshire’s Democratic primary and then dropped out.
I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness. It’s obviously not a healthy sign for the Republican Party, but it’s also bad for the Democrats, who need a sane and vigorous opposition to keep them honest. Most of all, it’s bad for our country and bodes poorly for its future. I know for a fact that there are millions of very sane, decent Republicans in this country; I just wish they would begin to speak up and take their party back.
– Jay Bookman
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Jay
February 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
Thulsa says:
” … the reality is that at this stage an incumbent president really should have anywhere from a 10-20% lead while the other party is having its candidates savage each other left and right.”
Reality says:
Feb. 2, 2004:
“Sen. John Kerry, the front-runner among Democrats vying for their party’s presidential nomination, leads President Bush in a head-to-head matchup, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday….”
Wes
February 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
Jay,
How do you think that moderates can take the party back from the extremists? I would think that most moderates have walked away from the deceit and hard line ideology that defines either party. The ones that are left are less and less likely to be able to influence the outcome of elections. You might want to rail against the lack of proportional representation or viable third parties instead.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
4:53 pm
“Whatever it takes to slap back the grasping hand of government. Light it up!”
I’m just curious as to why so many “conservatives” fear gov’t overreach when it comes to economic issues or firearms, yet don’t mind the gov’t reach around when it comes to their private lives?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
4:56 pm
Aquagirl,
Reagan- Over 16 million overall jobs during his 8 years including jobs numbers from the 81-82 recession.
Obama?- Negative 428,000 over 3 years into his administration.
Just the facts sweetie. Just the cold hard facts ma’am.
Want some more facts honeybunny?
Reagan- 21 million jobs created from the bottoming out of the recession.
Obama- what is it? 2 million or so jobs since the bottom of the recession which ended a whole 40 days into his presidency. The recession officially ended in March 2009. Just the facts dear.
Some more facts my dear?
Reagan 2 1/2 years into his presidency economic growth at an astounding 7% rate of growth.
Obama 2 1/2- 3 years into his presidency? 1.7% economic growth. Seriosuly? Just the facts toots. Just give me the facts ma’am.
Reagan- In his best month 1.1 million new jobs were created.
Obama- his best month we had 257,000 jobs created- less than 1/4 of Reagan’s top number.
JUST THE FACTS! That’s all I want sweets.
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JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
4:57 pm
jewcowboy – what do you call our campaign to repeal Obamacare if not to get government out of our private lives?
md
February 22nd, 2012
4:57 pm
Was waiting for Jay to respond to my imaginary post on this thread too, but he let me down…so:
“I honestly find it depressing that a major American political party has come to a state of affairs verging on collective madness.”
Welcome to the club…..now you know how it feels.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
4:57 pm
I agree with Jay. Oy.
See, cons, it’s possible when a Republican spews the crazy you can just say “oy” with the rest of us. All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
JohnnyReb
I did not see that come up in a Google search of Reagan’s speeches in 1983 to the National Association of Evangelicals annual convention.
Have you a link?
jm
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
“yet don’t mind the gov’t reach around when it comes to their private lives?”
JC
Plenty of us fiscal conservatives do. If the libertarian party was reasonable and had a shot at winning, we’d vote L. But given a choice between D or R, go R this round.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
I’m just curious as to why so many “conservatives” fear gov’t overreach when it comes to economic issues or firearms, yet don’t mind the gov’t reach around when it comes to their private lives?
Me too. It reminds me of people who’ve been locked in prison for most of their life. They wanna be left alone and not bothered by anybody, yet they can’t go to the bathroom or bed without being ordered to do so by an authority figure.
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
4:58 pm
The man is a mental-midget utterly lacking in any moral courage and intellectual honesty.
As such, he is the perfect standard bearer for today’s gawdawful GOP…
jm
February 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
Aqua 4:57 – I fully expect you to resume your vitriol when I next disagree with Jay.
I figured it out
February 22nd, 2012
4:59 pm
It occurs to me that Santorum may in fact be a closet homosexual. He has all the makings of a butty boy who doesn’t know it. Booyakasha and res
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:00 pm
JohnnyReb
“what do you call our campaign to repeal Obamacare if not to get government out of our private lives?”
Incredibly short-sighted and daft?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:00 pm
They BOTH suck,
Rasmussen just had a poll O leading Santorum 46-44. I believe O has a much better chance against Santorum than Romney but as I said at this point O should have a much bigger lead. Now Jay just went out and found the exception to the rule but generally from what I’ve seen historically the incumbent usually has an edge notwithstanding the exception that Jay can drudge up here and there.
Is that all ya got Jay? You came light did ya?
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
Thulsa Doom @ 4.56,
How are those cherries today?
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
JohnnyReb
“what do you call our campaign to repeal Obamacare if not to get government out of our private lives?”
I’m not gonna wait for jewcowboy. He takes too long.
I call it “Republicans letting people continue to be irresponsible and not provide for themselves and their families because they want other people to pay to take care of them when they get sick.”
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
“All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.”
Now that is funny
A big applause for Aquagirl regardless of your political leanings
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
To Santorum’s credit, he speaks his mind. If people want to buy what he’s selling, that’s their prerogative.
I figured it out
February 22nd, 2012
5:01 pm
…ek. As in, “booyakasha and respek.” I think perhaps Rick needs to spend some time in a toilet stall at salt lake airport to figure his sh…er…stuff out.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:02 pm
Paul – here’s a link to Limbaughs site. Scroll down to Reagan’s photo and click to see the video. The transcript is there also.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/02/22/revisiting_reagan_s_evil_empire_speech
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:02 pm
TD
Like I said I could be wrong, but I don’t give Santorum much of a chance. Romeny is another story for sure
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:03 pm
Brosephus,
“They wanna be left alone and not bothered by anybody, yet they can’t go to the bathroom or bed without being ordered to do so by an authority figure.”
That would seem to jibe with the RNC’s preference of bondage-themed nightclubs featuring topless women dancers imitating lesbian sex.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:04 pm
dernit. HP missed estimates. Meg is dumping all the bad stuff into this quarter. Tomorrow should be fun.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
And can someone tell me why doomy’s babbling about Ronald Reagan? Are they going to dig the poor man up and tote him into the brokered convention?
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
Paul,
“I’m not gonna wait for jewcowboy. He takes too long.”
Are you calling me slow?
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
“All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.”
Please tell us what that looks like as I’m guessing you may have been the only one to see it.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
That would seem to jibe with the RNC’s preference of bondage-themed nightclubs featuring topless women dancers imitating lesbian sex.
I don’t believe that for a second. I think I need to see some video proof. Got any links
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
“To Santorum’s credit, he speaks his mind.”
I don’t give credit to people whose minds can only spew lies.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
“booyakasha and respek.”
Ali G. U r a moron.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
jm,
“Plenty of us fiscal conservatives do.”
So you just point your heels to Jesus and imagine the Chanel handbag you’re gonna buy, huh?
Ayn Rant
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
Santorum is poster boy for political and religious madness.
I lived and worked in the Netherlands. Let me list some of the concerns of the citizens and residents there.
Elderly and terminally ill people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they were denied the right to euthanasia, if they chose it of their own freewill.
Young people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they were denied the right to contraceptives, or ridiculed for sexual relations before marriage, which on the average is at 28 years of age.
Young people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they were denied free education in primary schools and universities.
Working age people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they or their dependents were denied good hassle-free medical care.
Working age people in the Netherlands would be concerned if the minimum wage were less than a living wage. They would be concerned if their economy were not growing, their commerce and industry were not competitive in the world market, and the unemployment rate were above 6%.
Poor people in the Netherlands would be concerned if they did not have a social safety net to prevent neglect and deprivation.
They need not worry; they have all that. They have the good sense to elect a government that is responsive to their needs.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:06 pm
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:05 pm
“All this fancy footwork of attempted distraction makes you look like Larry Craig in a bathroom stall.”
Please tell us what that looks like as I’m guessing you may have been the only one to see it.
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Oh shut the hell up lol you KNOW that was funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTHL0MAWkmY&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=30&feature=plpp_video
Lord Help Us
February 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm
‘Please tell us what that looks like as I’m guessing you may have been the only one to see it.’
The undercover officer Larry wanted to shtoop gave a full description…
Bernie
February 22nd, 2012
5:07 pm
Watching the rise of Rick Santorum is like watching the making of another young Adolph Hitler part II.
Similiar actions and claims used in Ricks campaign mirrors those of the once revered Fuher of Germany. Santorums faceless victims are now the NON-Christians and all who disagree with his relgious dogma. Armed with a quiver of half truths, lies, and disinformation. colored with absolute, emperical and divine statements is his greatest Hallmarks to lead this conversion. His candidacy should
watched and studied to insure America is not infected with such a virus as the one we are witnessing before our very eyes today.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
Aquagirl,
“Are they going to dig the poor man up and tote him into the brokered convention?”
I wouldn’t put it past them.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss17/PatrickMcDonnell/ZombieRegan.jpg
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
On the bright side, if Santorum did win, there would be free aspirin for all women. I wonder what the Republican men would get. Probably more of the same — a whole lot of time to practice their master debating skills.
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
Years ago before he got destroyed trying to hold onto his US Senate seat, Ricky S said enough idiotic things to fill up hours worth of programming on Fox News.
Now that the dolt is embarrassing himself on an even bigger stage, it could take weeks to exhaust the stupidity coming out of his mouth.
Maybe he was just doing his fat b*stard imitation.
And to Jay’s point, even die-hard Republicans must be mortified at the insanely abysmal quality of the men who comprised the last two slates of GOP candidates for the White House.
I swear they are on the take and have money on BHO…
There’s only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people’s cultures and the Dutch. ~Thomas Jefferson
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:08 pm
jcb
I’m guessing it’s one of those things where blinding ideology does not allow one to see the conflict between those two positions.
I don’t give credit to people whose minds can only spew lies.
You could give him credit for being a fantastic liar.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
“So you just point your heels to Jesus and imagine the Chanel handbag you’re gonna buy, huh?”
JC, reduce crack intake. Rinse, repeat.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:10 pm
JohnnyReb
You know I like source material. That’s why I linked to Reagan’s entire speech. Not just Rush’s extract.
Right after that Rush extract Reagan said “I have directed the Health and Human Services Department to make clear to every health care facility in the United States that the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 protects all handicapped persons against discrimination based on handicaps, including infants. And we have taken the further step of requiring that each and every recipient of Federal funds who provides health care services to infants must post and keep posted in a conspicuous place a notice stating that “discriminatory failure to feed and care for handicapped infants in this facility is prohibited by Federal law.” It also lists a 24-hour, toll-free number so that nurses and others may report violations in time to save the infant’s life.”
He talked about infants. Not the unborn.
And right before that Rush extract Reagan said “Let me state the case as briefly and simply as I can. An organization of citizens, sincerely motivated and deeply concerned about the increase in illegitimate births and abortions involving girls well below the age of consent, sometime ago established a nationwide network of clinics to offer help to these girls and, hopefully, alleviate this situation. Now, again, let me say, I do not fault their intent. However, in their well-intentioned effort, these clinics have decided to provide advice and birth control drugs and devices to underage girls without the knowledge of their parents.
For some years now, the federal government has helped with funds to subsidize these clinics. In providing for this, the Congress decreed that every effort would be made to maximize parental participation. Nevertheless, the drugs and devices are prescribed without getting parental consent or giving notification after they’ve done so. Girls termed “sexually active” — and that has replaced the word “promiscuous” — are given this help in order to prevent illegitimate birth or abortion.
Well, we have ordered clinics receiving federal funds to notify the parents such help has been given.”
See, he wasn’t about eliminating abortions for these girls. He was for parental notification.
His comments were quite a bit more thoughtful than the myth Rush constructed.
Again, here’s the entire transcript:
http://www.nationalcenter.org/ReaganEvilEmpire1983.html
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:11 pm
“You could give him credit for being a fantastic liar”
There is that! Or at least for being a CONSISTENT liar!
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:12 pm
jm,
“reduce crack intake”
In memory of Whitney, crack is whack.
Fly-on-the-wall
February 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
These Republicans with their social values talk just scare the h3ll out of me.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
Old people are senile and routinely have fears of things that may not happen to them (which is what Santorum may have ultimately been alluding to).
Mick is proof of this every day.
Orange12
February 22nd, 2012
5:13 pm
The Republicans could trot out a sock puppet and still win the 2012 Presidential Election.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
jewcowboy – I will repeat what the libs said: you should rot in hell and you are the worst scum of the earth for saying something like that.
in other words:
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
Doggone
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Paul
I see you’re playing bubble pop again. You are sooooo mean!!!
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
5:14 pm
I fully expect you to resume your vitriol when I next disagree with Jay.
Probably so, but I felt I should give proper acknowledgments for your brief foray into sanity.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
“Old people are senile and routinely have fears of things that may not happen to them (which is what Santorum may have ultimately been alluding to)”
You need to contact the Santorum campaign people NOW. Do it quick. I’m SURE they are looking for a good “hook” to explain away – again – what nonsense he spouted. Yours is really good, they might just use it!
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
These Republicans with their social values talk just scare the h3ll out of me.
These Dems with no social values scare me!
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
The Republicans could trot out a sock puppet and still win the 2012 Presidential Election.
I don’t think sock puppet Republican has ever been ahead of generic Republican in the polls. Generic Republican has been the most popular candidate to date.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:15 pm
I heart Chris Christie. And Mitchy the kid Daniels.
That said, I’ll be voting Mitt 2012. For a freer and more prosperous America.
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:16 pm
And can someone tell me why doomy’s babbling about Ronald Reagan? Are they going to dig the poor man up and tote him into the brokered convention?
Hell no. He’d be FAR too liberal for them. He raised taxes as governor and again as president, the biggest tax increase in U.S. history. He signed legislation in California liberalizing the abortion laws. He wasn’t interested in bashing gay people. He wanted the USA to give up ALL of its nuclear weapons.
A downright Marxist, I tell ya. They’d probably be demanding his damn birth certificate.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
“brief foray into sanity.”
Aqua, duly noted. Now back to your regular programming….
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
Jay, if Reagan was running you would be the first to blast him!
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:17 pm
“The Republicans could trot out a sock puppet and still win the 2012 Presidential Election.
Well, if Mitt Romney wins the nomination, that theory will be put to a direct test.
liberalextremist
February 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
@Brosephus™ – Browning America Since 1973
I am not trying to hijack this thread…But I must say I look forward to your posts daily. Would you by chance have a younger or older brother or even a single friend who has the same mindset as you? I look forward to your response!!!!
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
5:18 pm
Even as a zombie, Ronnie has nice hair.
Does he or doesn’t he? Only his zombie hairdresser knows for sure…
12, is the sock puppet named Elmer Fudd? LOL…
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
Interesting read here……seems to be the exact same as what Santorum said…is it bogus:
http://www.euthanasia.com/holland99.html
Time for more digging…….
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
Am I the only one who thinks a night out drinking with Jay would be pretty close to seeing George Carlin live?
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:19 pm
And they would be asking why Reagan went to church so infrequently? Is he a true Christian or does he just say he is?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
5:20 pm
“Well, if Mitt Romney wins the nomination, that theory will be put to a direct test.”
snort! Much better than the answer I had!
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
If you have to use the H word to make a point you probably don’t have much of a point to make!
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
“A downright Marxist”
Reagan’s spending was out of control. Can we ever elect a fiscal conservative????????? (other than a Clinton)
Billy C was more of a fiscal conservative than Reagan…..
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
They’d probably be demanding his damn birth certificate.
Well, the way they’re carrying on you’d think they don’t believe his death certificate, and he’s living with Elvis in Mexico or something.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
JHC – you guys are snippy this afternoon, even Jay! Maybe you are down deep worried that Santorum will be elected?
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
I knew it! Jay loves himself some Reagan!
I’m bringing up Reagan to illustrate what kind of a recovery we should be experiencing in the wake of a severe recession. Yet we have been experiencing a terribly anemic recovery. Its a simple point but yet it remains elusive to some of the Obamabots on here. No surprise there.
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
Would you by chance have a younger or older brother or even a single friend who has the same mindset as you?
If you look forward to what I post, then you’d probably want to increase your expectations in life. My friends and family are quite diverse, so I don’t know if there’s anyone who has the same mindset as I do. I hope that I am one-of-a-kind, as I don’t think this world would fare too well with others who think like me.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
“Well, if Mitt Romney wins the nomination, that theory will be put to a direct test.”
budump ching!
that was tee’d up easily. However, it was still hit well.
Happy Kine and The Mirth Makers
February 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm
CORRECTION…
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Bookman a symptom of the GOP’s very deep ills!!
Very deep, indeed!
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:23 pm
Hmmmm……..
Michael Howitt Wilson, of the Alert campaign against euthanasia, said: “A lot of people in Holland are frightened to go into hospital because of this situation.”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
Mr. Right
February 22nd, 2012
5:21 pm
If you have to use the H word to make a point you probably don’t have much of a point to make!
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What in the hell are you talking about? Are you like 6? What in the hell is the “h” word?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&index=3&feature=plpp_video
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
“Am I the only one who thinks a night out drinking with Jay would be pretty close to seeing George Carlin live?”
Not if he wears that ball cap from the vacation photo – he looked like the Gloucester Fisherman!
AmVet - Stop the GOP War on Women.
February 22nd, 2012
5:24 pm
Even Newsmax is noting Flip’s new attack strategy.
Their headline screams:
Romney’s $55 Million Negative Attack Machine Now Targets Santorum
Mitt Romney and his supporters are spending more than $4 million in the battle for next Tuesday’s must-win Michigan primary, funding a barrage of negative attack TV ads aimed at Republican presidential rival Rick Santorum. But the spending spree is nothing new for the Romney campaign, which spent $18.8 million in January, while a pro-Romney super PAC dished out nearly $14 million in Florida, 20 times the amount spent by any other group — mostly for attack ads against Newt Gingrich.
I’m guessing that that dipstick Christopher Ruddy is no Flip Romney fan…
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:25 pm
Barry Goldwater………….. Would he be regulated to back-bencher status in the Republican Party today or even run out of town?
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.
…..
The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom…. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in ‘A,’ ‘B,’ ‘C,’ and ‘D.’ Just who do they think they are?… I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of “conservatism.”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:25 pm
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:22 pm
JHC – you guys are snippy this afternoon, even Jay! Maybe you are down deep worried that Santorum will be elected?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im_5QdHp04E&feature=autoplay&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&lf=plpp_video&playnext=1
Brosephus™ - Browning America Since 1973
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
I’m bringing up Reagan to illustrate what kind of a recovery we should be experiencing in the wake of a severe recession. Yet we have been experiencing a terribly anemic recovery.
And exactly how would one compare a national recession vs a global recession in terms of recovery? Reagan’s issues were nowhere near as complex as what we’re facing now, if I remember correctly. I was a young’un then, so I might not remember everything correctly, but I don’t remember the entire world being knee deep in sh*t back then.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
JohnnyReb @ 5:24
That was funny…
Hope all is well with you and yours
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
“Am I the only one who thinks a night out drinking with Jay would be pretty close to seeing George Carlin live?”
More like seeing Karl Marx live. Even though both are dead.
Someone either hasn’t kept up with the news or is anticipating “Night of the Living Dead”
BADA BING
February 22nd, 2012
5:26 pm
There are so many elderly in the Netherlands, I hear it is about to tip over.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:27 pm
Jay,
“He’d be FAR too liberal for them”
Not Zombie Reagan. He’s gotten bitter. Plus he doesn’t really remember very much.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
5:29 pm
TD
Those are great analogies with Reagan, but Santorum quoting them or clicking his heels in efforts to invoke Reagan is not the same thing
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:30 pm
Me thinks Jay didn’t do his homework:
http://jme.bmj.com/content/25/1/16.full.pdf+html?sid=3b909a4b-52b3-4cc5-ae18-ab2a0b5686ea
“2. LIFE-TERMINATING ACTIONS WITHOUT EXPLICIT REQUEST
The survey confirms that the intentional shortening
of patients’ lives without explicit request
remains far from uncommon. Nine hundred
patients had their lives ended without explicit
request in 1995, representing 0.7% of all deaths,
only a slight decrease on the 0.8% so terminated
in 1990.’4 In other words, of the 4,500 (3,200 +
400 + 900) cases in which doctors admitted they
actively and intentionally terminated life, one in
five involved no explicit request.”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:31 pm
Johnny Reb, busting down with the one liners. I forgot about Jay and his fishing cap. He DID look like a dork (or something) there didn’t he?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsaxvCCqr5o&feature=BFa&list=PL7B626D544F671E2C&lf=plpp_video
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:32 pm
jewcowboy
I’d never call a guy in a CTS-V ’slow’!
stands for decibels
February 22nd, 2012
5:32 pm
Billy C was more of a fiscal conservative than Reagan…..
One of these days you and your fellow conservatives will realize that the last three Democratic presidents have been more fiscally conservative than any of the Goopers since, oh, Ike.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:33 pm
Suppertime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEBFdHJIl-Y
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
5:33 pm
TheyBOTHSuck – same to you; we are fine, thanks.
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:34 pm
Don’t like Santorum? That’s cool. Aint no biggie.
Go independent and vote for Elmer Fudd for 3 reasons!
1- Elmer’s not the pathological liar that Obama is
2- Elmer’s smarter than Obama. We can all agree on that.
3- Elmer won’t wage war on the American economy like Obama.
ty webb
February 22nd, 2012
5:34 pm
ah yes..the “Reagan inherited less of a mess than my guy” retort..you get points for loyalty though. With practice, you’ll be carrying water like jay in no time.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:34 pm
Paul,
“I’d never call a guy in a CTS-V ’slow’!”
Ah…but you forget I also have the 1982 Volvo 240 dog wagon. Even Zombie Reagan could catch me when I’m driving that.
pogo
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
Jay takes off on another fantasy diversion tour hoping that Americans will be stupid enough to not notice what a miserable failure (and quite frankly a liar) his President, Obama, has been. It is comical to watch people like Jay spin when Obama says one thing and then turns around and does another and Obama has done one hell of a lot of that. Kind of like the Super-Pac thing. He vowed not to take their money and then he did a 180 and now he welcomes their money. He crucified Bush for his energy policy and one of the first things he did after coming into office was to close down the areas that Bush had approved for offshore drilling and now that he sees in an election year that gasoline is about to go over $4 and it is about to bite him in the ass politically he turns around and says we must drill more. He said that unendingly raising the debt limit was something that he would stop and now he comes around every year wanting to do exactly that. He said his Whitehouse would be totally free of lobbyists and it is now packed with ex-lobbyists. He said that he would end earmarks and now he is all for them. He denounces big business and Wallstreet but yet he gladly takes money from them and he gives them special favour. And Jay’s reaction to all these things is silence. Total silence. The only thing that matters to liberals such as Jay is winning. They don’t care if their man is any good or not and they don’t care if he is a liar. It is just winning that matters. To my memory Jay has never ever printed one word of critisism towards Obama and if he did it was about something of little consequence. Jay is willing to overlook everything in the name of ideology. God, who would’ve thunk that our country would have ever devolved to this point. I used to respect those in the news media but they have become nothing more than paid goons for one party or the other. Jay, think of yourself as nothing but a polar opposite of what you liberals think of Fox News. The thing is, Fox News is far more objective than yourself.
md
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
And I don’t blame folks for maybe not wanting to go to the hospital:
In
“15% of cases where no discussion took place but
could have, the doctor did not discuss the
termination of life because the doctor thought that
the termination of the patient’s life was clearly in
the patient’s best interests.’”
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
Here is jm’s typical argument lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z80P-zFJ2U&feature=related
jm
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
md 5:30 good job
Jay
February 22nd, 2012
5:35 pm
Well md, given that euthanesia wasn’t legal in the Netherlands until 2001, I’d say those 1994 numbers don’t mean a damn thing. In fact, the Dutch law was passed specifically to give some legal structure and discipline to what was already occurring informally.
I’d further suggest that a similar survey of US doctors and hospitals today would produce numbers very close if not higher than that.
jewcowboy
February 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
“To my memory Jay has never ever printed one word of critisism towards Obama”
Looks like you might be pulling a Reagan.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
drat, I missed it!
Thulsa Doom
February 22nd, 2012
5:36 pm
They BOTH suck,
Come on now. You know all the cons are going to invoke Reagan whether they are like him or not. Hell I even think some Dems invoke Reagan from time to time. Me? I like invoking Elmer Fudd since I think he would be better than Obama.