How Rick Santorum could win Georgia
Who will win Georgia’s GOP primary on March 6?
I don’t know, and if you’re looking to the polls for answers, you’re probably looking in the wrong place. At this point, they can reveal trends but they cannot predict outcomes.
So let me go ahead and offer two possibly foolish observations:
1.) The stars may be aligning to make Georgia a pivotal state in the nominating process, and to make Rick Santorum the prime beneficiary.
2.) Newt Gingrich, on the other hand, could see his political career end right here, in the state where it began.
First, why aren’t the polls much help in predicting the outcome? Because this race has been all about momentum, and Big Mo could shift decisively before Georgia voters go to the polls.
For proof, look at how swiftly the numbers have moved in just the past two weeks. In a Mason Dixon poll conducted Feb. 6-8 for the AJC and other Georgia newspapers, Gingrich drew 43 percent of likely Republican voters, Mitt Romney 29 percent and Santorum just 12 percent.
But according to a poll released Tuesday by Fox 5 Atlanta, the race has become a three-way tie, with Gingrich (26 percent), Romney (24 percent) and Santorum (23 percent) all within the margin of error. That apparent doubling of support for Santorum — largely at Gingrich’s expense — was not driven by ad buys but by momentum and infectious enthusiasm. It’s particularly notable given that just two months ago, Santorum was polling at 2 percent in this state.
Now let’s look ahead. Michigan and Arizona voters go to the polls Feb. 28, one week before Georgia. Santorum is leading in most Michigan polls, even though it’s Romney’s native state. He is also surprisingly close in Arizona, within the margin of error in at least one poll. Gingrich, on the other hand, is a distant third in Arizona and isn’t even competing in Michigan.
Should Santorum beat Romney in Michigan, or even finish strongly in both Michigan and Arizona, it would spell big trouble for Romney and be downright devastating to Gingrich. As Rupert Murdoch tweeted recently about Santorum, “Win Michigan and it’s over.” The publicity and enthusiasm generated for Santorum would probably be enough to sweep the former senator to victory here in Georgia a week later. It might also condemn Gingrich to a third-place finish in a state that he has to win to remain credible.
It’s important to note just how primed the state’s Republican electorate is for a Santorum candidacy. We saw flesh-and-blood evidence of that at a Santorum appearance Sunday night in Cumming, where a supportive crowd of more than 3,000 people turned out to hear him speak.
Santorum’s personal and political history, particularly his views on abortion and other social issues, have made him a favorite of evangelical voters nationwide. And in the AJC’s February poll, 72 percent of white Georgians who said they were likely to vote in the GOP primary described themselves as either evangelical or born-again.
Here’s another indication: In a December AJC poll, 49 percent of registered Georgia voters said that a fetus should have the legal standing of a person “at the instant the fetus is conceived.” Just 35 percent took a less absolutist stance.
No partisan breakdowns are available on that question, but if 49 percent of Georgia voters believe that life begins at the instant of conception, that percentage must be considerably higher among Republicans. And among that kind of electorate, Santorum has the potential to do very well.
Unlike Romney, Santorum can and does speak with honest conviction on such issues, and people respond to it. And while Gingrich speaks with equal conviction, people also understand that his greatest political attribute is his ability to believe sincerely in whatever just flew out of his mouth. In terms of honesty and clarity of message, Santorum wins hands down.
In a general election, however, history suggests that Santorum would not be a formidable candidate. If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue. The question is, how many Georgia Republicans are even thinking in those terms?
The answer comes March 6.
– Jay Bookman
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Real Scootter
February 22nd, 2012
6:38 am
First?
Real Scootter
February 22nd, 2012
6:38 am
grin:
Real Scootter
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 am
I don’t care who wins Georgia.The Reps. are going to have a hard time unseating Obama.IMHO
JF McNamara
February 22nd, 2012
6:45 am
Let’s hope Romney gets something going. I’m unlikely to vote Republican, but I don’t even want the chance of being stuck with a religious zealot.
Peadawg
February 22nd, 2012
6:46 am
Geeze who would be crazy enough to vote for this guy?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
6:46 am
“And in the AJC’s February poll, 72 percent of white Georgians who said they were likely to vote in the GOP primary described themselves as either evangelical or born-again.”
excellent!!!
go! go!! go!!!
destroy the GOP … they brought the evangelicals into their tent – let them suffer the consequences.
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
~ Barry Goldwater, November 1994
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
6:50 am
“Geeze who would be crazy enough to vote for this guy?”
1) people with a penis
2) people who want to be controlled by people with a penis
Cloudodust
February 22nd, 2012
6:57 am
We should be focusing on what has transpired to the average American worker and their families over the past 3 years vs the laws that are on the books that will not be altered. We should focus on this presidents years in office and the path he is taking us down. If you like it, vote for him. Personally, I think it’s been destructive to the American people and our way of life…
DeborahinAthens
February 22nd, 2012
6:59 am
In typical hypocritical fashion, the Right-wing religious right, with their IQs of amoebas, are salivating. This idiot, Santorum, voted for every spending bill Dubya the Dumb dreamed up. Medicare Part D is the largest entitlement program ever enacted, and Santorum was all for it. I detest the man for his grandstanding during the Terri Sciavo incident, when he left his job in Congress to go make an a$$ of himself at her deathbed, making a circus of her death. I don’t care if he and his wife choose to have a child that will live a life of pain and suffering, but he has no right to tell a woman she must have a child who is doomed to hell on earth. This horror of a human is exactly like the Taliban leaders in Afghanistan who took it upon themselves to control the lives of the women in that country–no different! And how dare he denegrate President Obama’s theology? But there is that “element” of the Republican Party that will suck that up because their hatred for the President has poisoned their souls and corrupted what was left of their brain after Dubya’s reign.bring him on. After forty-five years of voting republican, I can no longer recognize my party. I will never vote for a Republican again.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
7:03 am
Well one way would be for a large number of President Obama’s supporters to turn up and vote Santorum in the Georgia Primary.
Imagine the Chaos an Operation like that might cause.
Chaos? Operation? Sounds familiar….mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:12 am
I wish i could ask the people at my poll who they were voting for lol. I’ll know who won in my precinct by about 8:00 though……….
USinUK: Soup was great. Tried it first without adding wine, then added some and simmered about 45 more minutes. I’ve never been big on curry, but that gave it a really different (for us) flavor. Thanks. Still haven’t gotten my pizza stone but when I do will try your sauce and dough.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:15 am
Cloudodust
February 22nd, 2012
6:57 am
We should be focusing on what has transpired to the average American worker and their families over the past 3 years vs the laws that are on the books that will not be altered. We should focus on this presidents years in office and the path he is taking us down. If you like it, vote for him. Personally, I think it’s been destructive to the American people and our way of life…
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Having said all that isn’t it a shame that your party of choice has offered up nothing but complete blithering idiots as candidates virtually guaranteeing another 4 years for a man you so blindly hate?
USMC
February 22nd, 2012
7:15 am
50 PERCENT TAX RATE ‘FAILING TO BOOST REVENUES’
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/tax/9097219/50p-tax-rate-failing-to-boost-revenues.html
Yet dogged by political philosophy and wealth envy, you Bolsheviks still won’t GET it.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:16 am
Fred – hooray!!! glad you liked it!!
and, in fact, you jsut reminded me that I need to post my focaccia … will do that now …
USMC
February 22nd, 2012
7:19 am
Russia boosts arms sales to Syria…
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/21/us-syria-russia-arms-idUSTRE81K13420120221
It looks like Comrade Obama’s RESET BUTTON with Russia isn’t exactly working…
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:19 am
Santorum for president! I think Scout may have found his true love.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:20 am
Here ya go, Fred
http://redskitchendiaries.wordpress.com/2012/02/22/onion-focaccia/
thanks for the reminder!!
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:21 am
USMC
February 22nd, 2012
7:15 am
50 PERCENT TAX RATE ‘FAILING TO BOOST REVENUES’
Yet dogged by political philosophy and wealth envy, you Bolsheviks still won’t GET it.
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A Treasury source said the relatively poor revenues from self-assessment returns was partly down to highly-paid individuals arranging their affairs to avoid paying the 50p rate
We get it just fine, the rich find ways to not pay their part of the tax. Just as the quote I pulled from YOUR article says.
Semper Fi.
Mad Max
February 22nd, 2012
7:21 am
If gas keeps going up and the president runs out of gimmicks to fool the sheep, then a lot of people might vote for someone with principles. When you have to pay $60 to fill up your mini Cooper, and $120 to fill up your Expedition, a lot of people will understand what green energy costs and they might vote with their pocketbooks. There are still a lot of unemployed voters out there and most of them are discouraged by this guys efforts (I know it’s all W’s fault but Obama’s had the wheel for over 3 years). So I would not start planning any celebration just yet.
Ronnie Raygun
February 22nd, 2012
7:21 am
Thanks for giving me a good reason to vote in the GOP primary, Jay. Plutocrat or Theocrat, whoever wins the GOP primary is going down in November anyway. But seeing Ricky cry during his concession speech will be priceless.
Simple Truths
February 22nd, 2012
7:22 am
Jay, simple answer: If Santorum receives the most votes, he wins.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:23 am
LOL “Communist” Focaccia………. uses red onions.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:23 am
yeah, USMC – I’m sure THIS has nothing to do with it:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Documents/500000Final.pdf
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:23 am
Their failure relates to their administration of limited companies registered in the UK. The consequence of this failure is that the UK is losing £16 billion in taxes.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:24 am
Fred – and you know that focaccia comes from sociamalist Italy …
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
7:25 am
It’s getting more difficult for a sane, logical debate when some keep insisting that this president has been ” destructive to the American people and our way of life”. Do people not remember where we were in sept 08? We were staring at the abyss and obama had not a thing to do with it. Yeah, he’s been so bad that the stock market is pushing 13k, american auto companies are making money, unemployment is decreasing, bin laden – dead. What friggin world do you haters live in anyway?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:26 am
Mad Max: You talk about sheep? Well you Republican sheep may forget it’s YOUR guys sending all the jobs to China, but us independents don’t.
We know EXACTLY who to blame: The ones getting richer and richer on their overseas plants while good Americans lose their houses because there are no damn jobs here. Maybe YOU are willing to lick the bottom of their boots after they step in crap, but we sure as hell aren’t.
Mad Max
February 22nd, 2012
7:26 am
Mick – one in which our debt will destroy our way of life.
Jm
February 22nd, 2012
7:26 am
How Barack Obama could ruin America.
Oh wait, that already happened.
JamVet - Jay say no the GOP's plan to bring back the Dark Ages.
February 22nd, 2012
7:27 am
Even though The Enlightenment started over 350 years ago, the Republicans never seem to have a shortage of pre-17th century neanderthals to represent them, do they?
http://blogs.ajc.com/mike-luckovich/?cxntlid=sldr_hm
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:28 am
Anyway, when is conception according to conservatives of the Republican faith and how many bedroom police will be needed to watch women to make sure they do not harm their newly conceived one for the following nine months or so. I can see an end to unemployment but the downside will be that they’ll all be government jobs unless the Republicans can agree on which religious institution to farm that task out to.
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
7:28 am
Popcorn? Who has the popcorn?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjxNnqTcHhg&feature=related
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
7:29 am
How Barack Obama could ruin America.
Oh wait, that already happened.
Awwww, I love the sound of Republican whining in the morning.
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
7:30 am
mad max
That’s all you’ve got, debt? Who started us down that path? Where was the debt in 2001? What a losing joke…
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:31 am
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
7:25 am
It’s getting more difficult for a sane, logical debate when some keep insisting that this president has been ” destructive to the American people and our way of life”. Do people not remember where we were in sept 08? We were staring at the abyss and obama had not a thing to do with it. Yeah, he’s been so bad that the stock market is pushing 13k, american auto companies are making money, unemployment is decreasing, bin laden – dead. What friggin world do you haters live in anyway?
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No they don’t remember Mick. They only remember what lie Rush told them yesterday. As to what world do they live in? Same answer, the fantasy land of Rush and Neal where never is heard a truthful word, and “those folks” are banned all day…………
Mad Max
February 22nd, 2012
7:31 am
Fred – I believe both parties are to blame. I just don’t believe this guy understands what he is doing. His latest budget for example didn’t include his latest tax gimmick. Now he’s for lowering corporate income taxes after spending 3 years beating up on corporations? He’s all about buying votes and has no vision for how we are going to get out of this. That’s why I want him out of there. He hasn’t grown into the job.
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
7:33 am
**He hasn’t grown into the job**
So, you are offering us rick santorum? No thanks…
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:34 am
Stock Market up? Poor peope in more dire shape.
Obama: The rich people’s president. Who would have thunk it?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:35 am
“Mick – one in which our debt will destroy our way of life.”
debt: bad when it’s dems. okey-dokey when it’s GOP.
JamVet - Jay say no the GOP's plan to bring back the Dark Ages.
February 22nd, 2012
7:35 am
…after spending 3 years beating up on corporations?
OK, I know this is likely an exercise in futility, but enlighten me as to his incessant corporate beatings.
Specific facts, not slogans or sound bites, please…
Ennis
February 22nd, 2012
7:35 am
Fred at 7:15. I agree whole heartily with what you posted. However, the candidates aren’t running on merit and issues. The repubs are so busy bushwacking each other that they all look like taliban terrorist. I know that isn’t true, it is just what it seems to me. Rick can’t get over that 1950″s women in the kitchen, men know what women want, backward thinking, etc that he scares me to death just knowing he is in the running for the Big Job.
Mad Max
February 22nd, 2012
7:36 am
Mick – $15,000,000,000,000.00 + and growing faster than we can pay it off and the guy doesn’t even make an effort to do anything about it! That is more than enough reason to kick him out. I know that he inherited some of it, but he has made W look frugal.
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:36 am
Obama saying he wants to cut corporate tax rates.
THree years after he has been in office. Its almost like an election is coming up.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:36 am
“I know that he inherited some of it,”
talk about weak.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:37 am
Max: I’ll give you “he hasn’t grown in the job,” but look at what the republicans are offering. Their guys are just bat crap nutty.
Newt is the smartest, but we know from the past that he’s very unstable. WHo’s to say if he were to get elected that he wouldn’t nut up because the Ambassador from the Ukraine ’slighted him” drop a nuke on them then try to bang the Queen of England?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:39 am
Amen Ennis: Brother Barack could be beaten very easily by an even half way decent candidate. But the ones being trotted out by the Republicans are only ‘decent” in their warped and twisted minds.
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:39 am
Fred ™
Which Republican Presidential candidate has the mainstream media NOT framed as being bat crap nutty in your lifetime?
Can you name one? Just one?
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
7:40 am
Shouldn’t there be a rule that you cannot post revisionist history until at least fifty years have passed. Mad Max could use such a rule regarding his recollection of the Bush years.
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
7:40 am
max
Correct, repubs run up the tab, then leave and stick the bill to the dems and complain about deficits. Nice strategy but the people know where all the debt started and until we get this economy straightened out, the debt takes second seat…
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:40 am
Just about time to go get a cap on my tooth. Should I ask for the gas?
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
7:40 am
drop a nuke on them then try to bang the Queen of England?
Newt’s history is to aim for younger than current wife. Think duchess, not queen.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
7:41 am
MadMax
“In June 2008 candidate Obama said: “If we could eliminate loopholes in taxes, create a level playing field, then I think there’s the possibility of reducing corporate rates” – Tax.com
You talk about vision and apparently simply aren’t paying attention or doing your homework.
Please keep up, folks like you are slowing the rest of us down.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:43 am
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:39 am
Fred ™
Which Republican Presidential candidate has the mainstream media NOT framed as being bat crap nutty in your lifetime?
Can you name one? Just one?
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First let’s deal with that BS “mainstream media” lie. Is FOX not ‘mainstream Media?’ Doesn’t FOX NEWS have an affiliate in EVERY market? Is FOX framing them?
I don’t know how old you are, but I was an adult when that POS Rupert Murdoch started FOX over here. I also remember quite well the support the “mainstream media” gave Richard Nixon. is HE Republican enough for you?
Ayn Rant
February 22nd, 2012
7:43 am
The wealthy, intelligent, well-educated, sophisticated hypocrite in the Republican race, Romney, may still pull enough delegates from California and the eastern states to win the nomination. If, after receiving the nomination, he discarded his feigned ignorance and the Republican BS, he might be able to give President Obama a run for his money.
Democrat-leaning and independent voters can give the Republican party a final shove into the garbage heap by registering as Republicans and voting for Santorum in the primary. There’s no point in wasting votes on the uncontested Democrat primary.
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:44 am
Vision. LOL!!
Some people call Obama’s vision obvious lies to get him votes. And some people are just dumb enough to continue to believe him.
Should I take a couple of hours to list the lies so far?
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
7:45 am
Actually Nixon would not be republican enough for todays republicans.
Reagan either.
loy
February 22nd, 2012
7:45 am
Remember when we marched in Cummings because of there views aguest people of color. An this want to be President goes up there and speak. He is not for all the people.
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:47 am
Fred ™
FOX Entertainment has affuiliates. Do you understand the difference? FOX News averages about 2 million views a day. NBC has about 50 million in a day. Can you see the difference?
Man up. Accept FOX. Learn to be more accepting of other’s ideas, like Conservatives have done my entire life.
The Media supprted Nixon? Really? Like the Washiongton Post?
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
7:48 am
“1) people with a penis
2) people who want to be controlled by people with a penis”
What do you say to women who vote for Santorum?
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
7:48 am
batman
LOLx2
Yes, please spend the next few hours posting all the lies your limited vision percieves as being told by Obama.
It will keep you out of the hair of the serious adults here.
Play on batman, play on.
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 am
Granny Godzilla
At least you understand the gigantic task it would be to list them all. Sadly, you keep believeing him.
What in the world is wrong with you?
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 am
Peadawg
Did you see the VA governor is backing away from the legalized probe rape bill?
Sleeping with one eye open is a skill you may need.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 am
Hey Batman, what’s this? http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:50 am
Fred – “But the ones being trotted out by the Republicans are only ‘decent” in their warped and twisted minds.”
which takes us back to my 6:46
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
7:51 am
Batman
I have a little heartburn when I read your silliness…but other than that I’m quite well, thanks for asking.
Play on batman, you joker!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:52 am
“What do you say to women who vote for Santorum?”
grow an effing SPINE
Georgia on their minds......
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kH_EZF0XqM
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 am
“The Media supprted Nixon? Really?”
you’re SUPPORTING Nixon???
really???
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 am
Fred ™
So you don’t understand the difference between an entertainment network and a cable news outlet. No big surprise but perhaps you should cease in explaining your ignorance in discussing network television. But then again, why would you? There are only one or two posters here smart enough to be laughing at you.
Ennis
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 am
It looks more and more that Newt and Ron are out of the running. Just pulling the repubs down. Why not concede and lets get the fight on. At least it will give the repubs something to get behind. the 2 remaining give a clear picture of the way the repubs are heading anyway and the vote wouldn’t be all over the screen… I’m a independant and I can’t, from time to time, understand exactly what the repubs want, as they put forth not a single idea how to fix anything. All they do is bash, bash, bash. Tell me exactly what u gonna do dude..
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
7:55 am
Granny,
1. I haven’t of a rape bill.
2. How is an abortion(when there’s a baby) and a vasectomy(no baby) even remotely similar? I get the female Democrats are trying to be cute, smartass, etc….but they come off as complete idiots.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
7:55 am
haven’t heard*
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 am
Fred ™
I have to go to work. (You blog setters should give it a try)
But try to pay close attention to the two words: Network vs outlet. Can you see the difference? I knew you could.
philosopher
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 am
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
6:50 am
“Geeze who would be crazy enough to vote for this guy?”
1) people with a penis
2) people who want to be controlled by people with a penis
Scarily…that is a fact. Who could possibly have believed a mere month or so ago, that such a large number of people would support such a sanctimonious ASS?! Controlling our bedrooms is just a vote away….no non-procreative sex, mission position only, no mirrored walls, no waterbeds….I can see enhancing lubricants, etc. outlawed without a blink from the fanatic right.
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
7:57 am
Peadawg: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/9096749/Virginia-law-would-force-women-seeking-abortion-to-undergo-probe.html
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:58 am
Philosopher – two words that will strike fear into the heart of every man:
porn. prohibition.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
7:58 am
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:53 am
Fred ™
So you don’t understand the difference between an entertainment network and a cable news outlet. No big surprise but perhaps you should cease in explaining your ignorance in discussing network television. But then again, why would you? There are only one or two posters here smart enough to be laughing at you.
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Oh so that DOESN’T say Fox News on it there Batman? Save your blather for the talk shows. In the real world people actually THINK not just drool and listen to Rush. Don’t worry, 2 minutes and Neal will be able to give you a fix……
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 am
Byte me – 7:57 – he has noooooooooo problem with that – he told us all about it on Monday – hey, since the woman is doing something that he doesn’t agree with, she’s entitled to whatever she gets.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 am
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
7:57 am
I see nothing about rape. Sorry. Not seein’ it.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 am
Peadawg
Not cute…angry very angry.
Idiots? Perhaps a mirror might help you see one.
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
7:59 am
There ain’t no doubt about it, the republican party is imploding and their base is getting desperate. Throw them a lifeline? I think not, they prefer to drown themselves in their own ignorance – good rddance…
JamVet - Jay say no the GOP's plan to bring back the Dark Ages.
February 22nd, 2012
8:00 am
Nixon, most likely would have told these incompetent frauds and fake conservatives to ____ off and die.
Regarding Ronnie the Righteous however, I believe the master thespian would have gladly changed with the times and become just another rabid neo-con.
He was a B grade actor and a C grade president, but he knew how to con-vince the sheep that he was their guy. (Even while he was selling them down the river…)
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
8:01 am
Batman, what you mean is it’s time for your Neal Boortz fix, not going to work. Have fun and get your programming.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:01 am
“If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue.”
I’ve pretty much decided I’m voting for Obama. Not necessarily “for” Obama, but against the GOP nut jobs…whether is a serial flip-flopper, a Bible-thumper, or a Newt.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:01 am
Sorry, Peadawg. Didn’t mean to get personal.
Stop calling other people idiots simply because you don’t agree.
It’s so twenty-something.
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:02 am
I see nothing about rape. Sorry. Not seein’ it.
Think state-mandated forceable rectal probing of guys lasting 5-10 minutes without anesthetic to look for “potential” growths on your large colon when you’re of child-bearing age. It’s pretty much like that. Not quite “rape” but not medically necessary or even wanted.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:04 am
“Not cute…angry very angry.” – LOL ok. Y’all are cute when y’all are angry then.
Watch the video on the opinion blog about it. That woman is trying so hard not to laugh.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:05 am
“Stop calling other people idiots”
When you (jokingly I hope…but can’t tell) introduce a bill to ban vasectomies…you got it comin’. If she’s for real….wow.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 22nd, 2012
8:06 am
Saint Rick!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
8:07 am
“When you (jokingly I hope…but can’t tell) introduce a bill to ban vasectomies…you got it comin”
you’re right – they SHOULD have introduced a bill requiring colonoscopies for Viagra ’scripts.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:07 am
“but not medically necessary” – Neither is abortion unless the mother’s health is in danger.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 22nd, 2012
8:07 am
I’ve pretty much decided I’m voting for Obama
Peadawg is a bleeding-heart liberal!
Treehugger!
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
8:07 am
batman
February 22nd, 2012
7:56 am
Fred ™
I have to go to work. (You blog setters should give it a try)
But try to pay close attention to the two words: Network vs outlet. Can you see the difference? I knew you could.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
LOL He is 20-something……….. but you knew that
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
8:08 am
Whoops, wrong quote. I meant YOU Granny
philosopher
February 22nd, 2012
8:08 am
This propensity people have of rabidly looking for a moral “leader” to follow instead of facing their own moral dilemmas and living with them is a set-up for a repeat Hitler to simply walk in and take over. That man truly believes his insane ideas…the trouble is, he has convinced himself and way too many others that the words coming out of his mouth are truth and supported by God (the only God that’s real). The only difference between him and Hitler is a mustache and height.
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:08 am
Neither is abortion unless the mother’s health is in danger.
So you’re a doctor now? Or do you just play one on TV?
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:09 am
“you’re right” – Thanks.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:09 am
I am only concerned for the reproductive health of men.
Very concerned.
A happy prostate is a healthy prostate, and it MUST be examined.
Even if you don’t want it to be.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:10 am
“So you’re a doctor now? Or do you just play one on TV?” – You got proof otherwise? We went over this the other day…nobody could come up with anything.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:11 am
Granny
You’re so cute. Bless your heart.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:11 am
Is it really safe for 65 year old men to have 4 hour erections?
They had better be procreating not recreating.
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:12 am
You got proof otherwise? We went over this the other day…nobody could come up with anything.
I’m not a doctor either. I have been in a situation where an abortion was medically necessary and the Mom’s health was not in jeopardy. And it wasn’t because the little clump of cells was “inconvenient”.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:12 am
Pea
For my age…Yep.
Thanks to Mom and Pop and the deep end of the gene pool.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:14 am
” I have been in a situation where an abortion was medically necessary and the Mom’s health was not in jeopardy.”
Care to explain if you don’t mind? I’m curious.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:15 am
http://www.gocomics.com/patoliphant/2012/02/21
kayaker 71
February 22nd, 2012
8:16 am
So, now Santorum is going to slip into your bedroom and tell you what position to use. He is also going to overturn Roe vs Wade and make you have that baby that you so want to get rid of. Then, when you do go to that abortion mill, he is going to shove a not so small sonographic device up your vagina as a recondition to getting rid of the kid. Then there’s always your Social Security and your Medicare. That is sure to go followed by decreeing that you go to church every Sunday and Wednesday just to see how the Great Satan is destroying your lives. He is GOING TO TAKE OVER. We don’t want him, now do we? We would rather have someone like Bozo run our lives and tell us what to eat, what kind of light bulbs to use, how much money is enough for us to make each year, what kind of car to drive, what state we can work in to avoid union control, what kind of health care the government makes us accept, mandated health care insurance complete with panels of government hacks telling you if you are too old to live any longer….. not to mention unemployment out of control, record debt, lies, corruption ….. yeah, that sounds like a pretty good alternative to some nut like Santorum.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
8:17 am
Peadawg
February 22nd, 2012
6:46 am
Geeze who would be crazy enough to vote for this guy?
Pee, I’m sure you mean Obama, right?
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:18 am
Care to explain if you don’t mind?
Doctor said it was medically necessary even though it posed no immediate risk to Mom (hard to predict the future, though). That was good enough for us. Having legislators stick their nose in that relationship between doctor and patient for no clear medical reason is just wrong.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:20 am
“Doctor said it was medically necessary even though it posed no immediate risk to Mom”
LOL ok. I’d question that doctor if I were you. Doesn’t make sense at all.
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
8:21 am
yaker
My advice to you is – get out on the water and leave the mainland phobia’s behind…
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:21 am
kayaker
Bless your heart 71 times.
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
8:26 am
Apoplectic rants, unhinged views, illogical arguments, welcome to the republican party circa 2012. Still devolving right in front of your very eyes, a sad spectacle spiraling downward, how low can they go???
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:26 am
LOL ok. I’d question that doctor if I were you. Doesn’t make sense at all.
Not to you, but you’re not a doctor. Did to us. I’m leaving out details, of course, and you want to have your opinion, that’s fine, but you have just as many details as our stupid legislators and they want to enforce their opinion.
Bill Orvis White
February 22nd, 2012
8:26 am
Any man who spreads the word of the Lord Almighty is good in my book. I have heard this man speak about the importance of solid family values, a dedication to Christ along with common sense pro-business arguments. The honorable Senator Santorum, just like his esteemed competitors in this race, all have the ability to beat Hussein Obama come this November. The key question here is, “By how many percentage points will any of these fine men beat this failed ‘president?’” I’m very confident that the majority of people in this country will see this “president’s” abysmal record with high taxes, high deficits, no jobs, ObamaCare, Crap and Fade, a rotten pro-Euro foreign policy agenda and a general anti-life/religion view. Like I wrote before, I’m not hiring until Obama is out of office. I have no idea how Obama’s high taxes and regulations will affect me and my business. WE THE PEOPLE need a strong leader who will stare down the Euro-centric intellectuals, Islamo-Fascists and domestic secular-progressives. Speaker Gingrich, Governor Romney or Senator Santorum fit that description.
Amen,
Bill
Stevie Ray
February 22nd, 2012
8:26 am
JAY,
Santorum is a religious mullah (actually borrowed from NYT). Very scary.
In light of the DEM’s congressional attack (led by Stuart Smally) on Super Pacs, i’d like to draw attention to Jim Rogers, one of largest donors to BO to wit…
http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/233382-dem-convention-co-chair-s-company-received-230-4m-stimulus-money-hired-podesta.html
He got $230 milion from stimulus for green investments….personal pal of BO..guess he wants more this time around…BO, Gingrich…all the same to me representing the status quo in DC.
Donovan
February 22nd, 2012
8:28 am
You can almost feel how giddy Bookman comes across with his reflection of the GOP race, since his instinct smells religious chum in he Democrat waters. You Democrats know the drill…accept any GOP candidate as a weak opponent when that opponent leans on a religious background.
Hell, it’s a Democrat love fest with you Godless people. Even some of you libs are sharing soup and pizza blogs with one another.
How about sharing in some humble pie when we elect a GOP president in November?
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:30 am
You righties better be nice…..
OR I’ll send Brownie Troop #2001 after your butts.
Today we are all Girl Scouts!
The Girl Scout Promise
On my honor, I will try:
To serve God and my country,
To help people at all times,
And to live by the Girl Scout Law.
The Girl Scout Law
I will do my best to be
honest and fair,
friendly and helpful,
considerate and caring,
courageous and strong, and
responsible for what I say and do,
and to
respect myself and others,
respect authority,
use resources wisely,
make the world a better place, and
be a sister to every Girl Scout.
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:30 am
Hell, it’s a Democrat love fest with you Godless people. Even some of you libs are sharing soup and pizza blogs with one another.
Hahahahaha!!!
Thanks for the chuckles, Mr. Sanctimonious. Glad we’re pissing you off.
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
8:30 am
Peadawg seems to represent that segment of men who can’t see the difference between medically needed procedures and those that are not. Prostate exams, while uncomfortable, are a medical necessity and I wish I had had more as it turned out, but Vaginal probe ultra-sounds are not medically needed and are designed to intimidate and embarrass a woman who wants or needs an abortion. If any man out there cannot see the difference, then turn in your balls…you don’t deserve them.
Bottom line. It is the right of the woman to decide what to do with her body and nobodies else.
Let all you religious people out there be content that she will will pay for her sins in the end…and stay out of her life. Y’all have a saying…”let go and let God”…so do it.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:31 am
Sorry, ByteMe, not buying what you’re selling.
Stevie Ray
February 22nd, 2012
8:32 am
Dononvan,
Did you know Jimi Page played on some of your early recordings?
Of course this is a left wing forum…if you are conservative or independent, this is the place to work on your political chops…some good thinkers here but mostly sheep….mindlessly passing their time in the MSNBC dogma pastures away.
jconservative
February 22nd, 2012
8:33 am
DeborahinAthens February 22nd, 2012 6:59 am
“After forty-five years of voting republican, I can no longer recognize my party. I will never vote for a Republican again.”
For what it is worth, I am hearing the same thing from other ladies.
Will this election be decided by the women of the country?
gm
February 22nd, 2012
8:33 am
Why would any one vote for any of these two idiots? Rick is a sicko saying satan is after America and taking shots at the President of the United States faith, 3 times adultry Newt is in Okl saying the President is a threat to National Security the same President that has killed 10 of the top terrorist in the world.
President Obama is out talking about jobs and moving this country in the right direction while this idiots are still talking about birth control and people faith, trying to please the Klan I mean tea party extreme right wing nuts and you wonder why the President is leading in all polll”””
JamVet - Jay say no the GOP's plan to bring back the Dark Ages.
February 22nd, 2012
8:34 am
Donovan, for your and Rick…(the guy who got slaughtered trying to hold onto his own senate seat the last time he ran a campaign.)
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/426208_350769091621026_174612345903369_1069055_1508034725_n.jpg
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:34 am
Sorry, ByteMe, not buying what you’re selling.
You don’t have to. You asked, I’m answering. You don’t like the answer, then you’re free to distrust it. Doesn’t really matter to me. I know the truth as it applies to the situation. You do not.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
8:36 am
USinUK: “Geeze who would be crazy enough to vote for this guy?”
1) people with a penis
2) people who want to be controlled by people with a penis
Best. Description. Ever.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:36 am
“Peadawg seems to represent that segment of men who can’t see the difference between medically needed procedures and those that are not………….but Vaginal probe ultra-sounds are not medically needed” -
I know the difference and I completely agree with you about the vaginal probe. But neither are abortions unless the mother’s health is in danger. Unless someone has proof otherwise. I’m not buying ByteMe’s “cause the doctor so” excuse.
Again…all this stuff about men this, men that. What about women who are pro-life, like my wife? What do you say to women senate/house representatives who support bills to ban abortions/shorten the time to 20 weeks?
JamVet - Jay say no the GOP's plan to bring back the Dark Ages.
February 22nd, 2012
8:37 am
Often, when I see that word godless, it reminds me of that abhorrent human being – Ann Coulter.
Another prime example of what is so horrifically wrong with this dysfunctional GOP…
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
8:38 am
We already know that Georgia Republican voters are simple, dumb as dirt yahoos. So, while only a simple tool would vote for Gingrich, only a true moron would vote for Santorum. It’s really hard to call this one.
Georgia on their minds......
February 22nd, 2012
8:38 am
jconservative says,
Will this election be decided by the women of the country?
You better believe it! One must always remember not to mess our bodies, children and money!!!
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
8:39 am
I can’t help but get the feeling that all these posters crying that Obama is destroying the country should have made better choices in life. Afterall, isn’t that what they tell the people that are unemployed or are working for minimum wage. Why are the bootstrap speeches only for those who are earning less than those who demand accountability of everyone else?
Until there are government agents standing outside my door demanding 39% in cash everyday when I leave my home, I’m not going to buy into the “Obama is destroying us” BS. Gas costs too much? Sell the Expedition. Housing values tanked? Should have rented. Not happy with your income? Should have gotten a better job. Obama and the media haven’t done anything to you. Stop wallowing in your “vicitmhood” and expecting the GOP to save you.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
8:40 am
“Is it really safe for 65 year old men to have 4 hour erections?”
let’s be honest … there’s nothing I want to do for 4 hours straight – not even stuff I really LIKE.
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
8:40 am
stevie ray
Yeah, jimmy page played on dozens of 60’s hits with mickie most producing. Godless liberals? That’s a mighty broadstroke even for the hurdy gurdy man. Poor bill orvis, franklin graham is your man – you make yourselves god…
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
What about women who are pro-life, like my wife? What do you say to women senate/house representatives who support bills to ban abortions/shorten the time to 20 weeks?
They’re free to keep their babies. Stop using the power of the state to force their opinion on the rest of us!
PD: I’ll allow one more detail to come out. The clump of cells had no heartbeat, but was still growing. Do any of these stupid bills account for that? Nope. Medically necessary? Doctor thought so, because to let it wait was both more expensive and had the potential for more problems down the road.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
Peadawg: An argument that one or more medically unnecessary procedures is something that a legislature can mandate that a doctor perform for no medical reason just because the first procedure MIGHT be medically unnecessary is silly. The idea that this should be the case is about CONTROL, and the specifics of why it is being done are about PUNISHMENT.
Slut shaming is not cool. Stop it.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
Pea
“What about women who are pro-life, like my wife?”
What type of birth control do you use?
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
Our Grand Poo Bah Satirist says, “Any man who spreads the word of the Lord Almighty is good in my book”, and I agree…only do it in the streets and don’t try to force it down ones throat.
Another saying comes to mind and should be ingrained in every mind as a warning… “Anyone who thinks Religion is separate from the State, doesn’t know religion.”
Bottom line, We don’t need an American version of the Taliban.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
“What do you say to women senate/house representatives who support bills to ban abortions/shorten the time to 20 weeks?”
what do I say? don’t like abortion – don’t have one.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
8:41 am
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
8:38 am
We already know that Georgia Republican voters are simple, dumb as dirt yahoos. So, while only a simple tool would vote for Gingrich, only a true moron would vote for Santorum. It’s really hard to call this one.
carlosgvv – do you live in Georgia?
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 am
“The clump of cells had no heartbeat, but was still growing.”
If there’s no heartbeat then the baby had already been aborted somehow. That would be a miscarriage I believe. Sorry to hear that.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 am
JohnnyReb – “carlosgvv – do you live in Georgia?”
Based on his accurate analysis, I’d say he’s a well informed outside observer.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 am
“Will this election be decided by the women of the country?”
Mrs. Confucious says:
If Momma’s not happy, Nobody’s happy.
Jerome Horwitz
February 22nd, 2012
8:43 am
Uh KY 71 – The light buld thingie was a Bush mandate.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
8:44 am
JohnnyReb
Yes
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
8:44 am
“If Momma’s not happy, Nobody’s happy.”
GG – you just said a mouthful
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:46 am
That would be a miscarriage I believe. Sorry to hear that.
No, that’s not quite how it works. It didn’t abort. It was in there still growing. It just wasn’t ever going to be “alive” no matter how long it stayed in there.
Again: do any of these bills allow for the doctor to do what’s medically in the patient’s best interest? Nope. Legislators are terrible at deciding how to budget, why would they be better at medicine??
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:46 am
Pea
“If there’s no heartbeat then the baby had already been aborted somehow”
Ah nope.
It has died in utero.
To be considered abortion it must be removed from the uterus.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
8:46 am
I see the topic is back to abortion. Tell me this? If a man can be convicted of two murders when he kills a barely pregnant woman, how is it OK for that same woman to have an abortion?
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:47 am
Pea
my birth control question?
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:48 am
If a man can be convicted of two murders when he kills a barely pregnant woman, how is it OK for that same woman to have an abortion?
Count me as one of those people who think that law is stupid too. Once again they’re trying to practice “medicine” without a license.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
8:48 am
JohnnyReb: If a man can be convicted of two murders when he kills a barely pregnant woman, how is it OK for that same woman to have an abortion?
Why don’t you ask the talk radio host who brought that up, instead of inundating *US* with that stupid question EVERY DAY.
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:49 am
And, Johnny, when it comes to Santorum, every question is about abortion, right?
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:49 am
ByteMe and Granny,
I don’t consider miscarriages = abortion. If the baby has no heartbeat, then of course it should be removed.
To me, ByteMe, the mom didn’t have an abortion. She had a miscarriage.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
8:49 am
JohnnyReb – “If a man can be convicted of two murders when he kills a barely pregnant woman, how is it OK for that same woman to have an abortion?”
I agree with JohnnyReb, who advocates only a single murder charge when killing pregnant women. You go Johnny!
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:50 am
To me, ByteMe, the mom didn’t have an abortion. She had a miscarriage.
To you, yes. To the law and to medicine, she did have an abortion. BIG difference there.
Georgia on their minds......
February 22nd, 2012
8:50 am
What is it so hard for men to understand that a woman’s body belongs to her and her along? If God had made their bodies capable of bearing children, you better believe that the statistic of men having babies in the U.S. would be very small! Until you have walked in our shoes, stay out of our bodies!!!
ByteMe
February 22nd, 2012
8:51 am
Ok, I’m off for breakfast. Play nice, everyone!
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
8:51 am
Peadawg
My birth control question?
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
8:51 am
carlosgvv – I’m not sure if you are hispanic or just using the screen name, but just in case you don’t know – Georgia is overwhelmingly conservative. Dreams of it voting blue are just that, dreams. The Atlanta metro area is mostly liberal due to the black, gay, and freshly out of college, don’t know any better yet, communities. I am sure you post such derogatory comments about your fellow citizens becuase of anonymity and would not dare, for example, step up at the Marietta square and shout such insults.
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
8:52 am
carlosgvv
It’s your vote that I’m afraid of.
You actually defend yourself by calling your opposition a moron or dumb as dirt? And that’s it?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 am
Georgia on their minds…..”stay out of our bodies!!!”
Careful, look what happens to Catholic priests when they try to do that. By the way, has anyone noticed the silence from the church in light of the most recent alter boy rapes? Where’s Hannity and the Archbishop when we need them?
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
8:53 am
Will this election be decided by the women of the country?
I am woman, hear me roar!!
Hi everybody
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:54 am
“What type of birth control do you use?”
I think I know where you’re going with this. Being pro-life has nothing to do w/ using contraception. Please think before you say something stupid.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
8:54 am
A woman expresses her whole life about how she does not want children. Because of new laws that outlaw contraception, condoms, and sex outside of marriage, she gets married, ends up pregnant. Somewhere along the way, she miscarries. After this tragic event, the District Attorney brings charges against her for negligent homicide. Because of her previous history of claiming she does not want children, she is arrested and valuable state resources are used for the trial. They make their case, and a jury of 12 men find her guilty. Now valuable state resources are used to keep her locked up for her sentence of 20 years.
She was also required to wear a burka in 100 degree weather to avoid being raped by men who just couldn’t help themselves if they see any female body part, before all this.
Think it won’t happen? THIS is what you’re trying to make America into when you’re an evangelical. Supporting their causes supports their ENTIRE view of how women should be treated.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
8:55 am
Be back later to respond to you, Granny. Again…please think before you say something stupid on contraception.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
8:56 am
batman 7:36 – bingo
it’s a marketing ploy, nothing more. won’t happen
willie lynch
February 22nd, 2012
8:57 am
Rick Santorum is as nutty as Franklin Graham. If this is what the Repugs want to put forth as their best representation let them go ahead. This will further demonstrate how out of touch with the majority of Americans. No one want’s to hear, “I’m tired of giving Black people money” and “Contraception is a license to do things sexually that shouldn’t be done.” This is craziness and he has the nerve to compare President Obama to Hitler.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
8:58 am
jm – “batman 7:36 – bingo
it’s a marketing ploy, nothing more. won’t happen”
Yes, much like telling people that you are going to repeal Obamacare.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
8:59 am
Peadawg: Santorum does not support any efforts to prevent or delay conception. This includes condoms, contraception, abortion, pre-natal examinations (which he thinks can lead to people making *gasp* choices about the future of their family) etc. Because of this, contraception conversation naturally leads to abortion talk, and vice versa. You can thank the right wing propaganda machine for taking over the conversation – AGAIN.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
9:00 am
Peadawg
Put down the crystal ball and answer the question.
What birth control do you and your wife use?
Or just state that you are absolutely sure that the method you use
does not cause abortion.
ie:
Continuous Abstinence – The only method that is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy and disease.
Surgical Sterilization (Tubal Ligation or Vasectomy) – Permanent surgical methods of birth control. Tubal ligations prevent a woman’s eggs from reaching her uterus. Vasectomies prevent sperm from entering a woman during intercourse. The estimated failure rate is less than 1%.*
The Male Condom – Prevents sperm from reaching the egg. The estimated failure rate is 11-16%.*
Diaphragm – A shallow latex cup that prevents sperm from reaching the egg, requires a visit with your health care provider for proper fitting. The estimated failure rate is 15%.*
The Female Condom – Worn by the woman, prevents sperm from reaching the egg. The estimated failure rate is 20%.*
Cervical Cap – A thimble-shaped latex cup that prevents sperm from reaching the egg. The estimated failure rate is 14-29%.**
Periodic Abstinence or Fertility Awareness Methods – Being abstinent on the days you may be fertile or using a “barrier” method of birth control (condoms, diaphragms, or cervical caps) on fertile days. Though the US Department of Health and Human Services lists a relatively high failure rate (25%*), other scientific bodies indicate that when used correctly, the failure rate can be less than 1%.*** Because fertility awareness requires more time and engagement than other methods, “perfect use” is harder to achieve.
NOTE: None of the above are acceptable to the Roman Catholic Church.
Rick Santorum is a Catholic.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:02 am
Hey, if Santorum really wants to connect with his base, might I suggetst he show up to the debate tonight in a robe, long hair and beard carrying a large wooden cross on his back? I mean, if your going to run as the “man of faith” why not go all the way?
gm
February 22nd, 2012
9:03 am
Bill Orvis White
Well if Rick was so great, then why did he lose by 20 points in his reelection bid? You think maybe the peope in his home state know what sicko he is?
rotten pro-Euro foreign policy agenda and a general anti-life/religion view
President Obama has been doing a great job protecting religion nuts and right wing idiots like Rick who his trying to take America back to the 20th century, no one but your own bunch of right wing bigots of the tea party is buying, thats why the Obama is wining in every poll.
Rick and the these relgion nuts are the same one the that had the bible in one hand and voting against women and equal rights in the other.
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
9:04 am
So Rick Santorum walks into a Holiday dragging a wooden cross and drops three spikes on the counter and says…Can you up me up for the night?
Georgia on their minds......
February 22nd, 2012
9:04 am
Granny Godzilla
February 22nd, 2012
9:00 am
Thanks for the enlightment!!! Some may not be aware!
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:05 am
GG – “So Rick Santorum walks into a Holiday dragging a wooden cross and drops three spikes on the counter and says…Can you up me up for the night?”
Ooooooo…..go GG!
AU Liberal in ATL
February 22nd, 2012
9:06 am
I’ve lived in Georgia for 35 years, so I know the lay of the land around here. Based on the voting patterns I’ve witnessed over the years, I fully expect Santorum to win this state.
As long as I can remember our government has operated at a deficit. That will probably never change. Now, I may be wrong, but as far as I know the state of the gov’t deficit has never had a negative impact on me personally. On the other hand, the Ken Chenaults of the country have been devestating to my personal economy.
kayaker 71
February 22nd, 2012
9:06 am
It is apparent that you liberals want someone leading you around by a nose ring, making decisions for you, ensuring that your life will be a predictable non-traumatic event in some kind of nirvana perpetrated by a sympathetic government who knows what is best for you. A world where everything is “fair” and we are all “equal”. With close to 50% of Americans paying no federal income tax, we are getting close.
Alexander Tyler, a professor in 1887 at the University of Scotland in Edinburgh put it pretty well….. “A democracy will continue to exist until the time voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority votes for the candidate who promises the most for them from this treasury, finally resulting in a collapse of this government over fiscal policy, followed by a dictatorship”.
Is this so difficult for liberals to understand or do they just not care?
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
9:07 am
Again…please think before you say something stupid on contraception>/i>
That should be repeated daily by every Republican/conned/right wingnut poster and person daily and by most men. Pea, as the original poster, probably ought to lather, rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat and keep repeating before even considering a post.
Billings
February 22nd, 2012
9:09 am
“If Momma’s not happy, Nobody’s happy.”
The main reason women have abortions. An excuse for the weak minded.
F. Sinkwich
February 22nd, 2012
9:10 am
“Obama will visit the University of Miami on Thursday to discuss steps the administration has taken to increase domestic oil and gas production, senior administration officials said Tuesday.”
Somebody alert Guinness. This will be world record short speech!
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:10 am
It is apparent that you liberals want someone leading you around by a nose ring, making decisions for you, ensuring that your life will be a predictable non-traumatic event in some kind of nirvana perpetrated by a sympathetic government who knows what is best for you.
And what do you call federal enforcement of outlawing abortion and contraception, as well as the initial baby steps of federal enforcement of making sure NO ONE has access to contraception or anything “morally objectionable” through their health plan?
As usual, PROJECTION. YOUR PARTY is the one that wants to control everyone, and punish the dissenters.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:11 am
kayaker 71 – “Is this so difficult for liberals to understand or do they just not care?”
Put me down for just don’t care. Just as I didn’t base my previous life decisions on the other presidents, I won’t hold my breath for Obama or the GOP candidates.
Why is it the same people that accuse others of wanting the government to run their life, continue to support a position that a change of government will make their life better?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:11 am
The fact that some people actually think Obama HASN’T increased oil production shows just how uninformed those same people are about reality.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:11 am
damn, adam, you beat me to it.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:12 am
USinUK: Which part? lol
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:13 am
“The fact that some people actually think Obama HASN’T increased oil production shows just how uninformed those same people are about reality.”
dangitall, where’s Paul with his Houston Chron article when we need him.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:14 am
USinUK: I know abotu the oil production thing a bit more directly, seeing as I work for big oil and all…. If it ever comes up why I support Obama because of oil policies I will just have to respond with facts – Obama supports the oil industry. Probably to a fault, honestly.
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
9:15 am
AU Liberal in ATL:
What do you think your candidate will do for you personally?
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
9:15 am
Butch Cassidy
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February 22nd, 2012
8:39 am
Quite brilliant and right on!
People need to stop, think, and reflect because, “remember man you are dust and unto dust you shall return”. Try to do some livin, cut down on the whining and enjoy the miracle that is your life. Obama has nothing to do with it…
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:16 am
I’m so glad Jay is concentrating on Rick Santorum instead of Obama’s failed presidency…. By the way why are we not talking about the new Obama EPA standards that will go in effect in March that will raise prices even more?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:16 am
Adam – ” Obama supports the oil industry. Probably to a fault, honestly.”
Agreed. I would hope that during the debate tonight that the moderator will point out that If Bush did not have the ability to affect the price of gas, how is it that the current GOP candidates can take a position that Obama can.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:18 am
Butch: I’d love to hear all the “The media did it to Bush!” responses. The gas price thing is about revenge for the party faithful. It’s about trying to work the buttons of the uninformed by those who run the propaganda machine (which they need a lot of oil to run, probably why demand gets higher in proportion to Democrats doing well lately).
kayaker 71
February 22nd, 2012
9:19 am
Adam,
Contraception can be purchased at an CVS or Walgreens pharmancy…. short of that, keeping your knees together is free of charge. Why should the government be responsible for providing contraceptive devices for anyone and when did it become the prerogative of any elected official to decree that insurance companies pay for such devices? Next it will be tooth brushes. This is Bozo spin at it’s best/worst. Maybe you are happy with your Messiah telling you what to do but….. and you liberals bitch about Santorum.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
9:21 am
If a woman has a natural miscarriage, is God guilty of abortion?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:23 am
kayker 71 – “anyone and when did it become the prerogative of any elected official to decree that insurance companies pay for such devices?”
Apparently 13 years ago in Georgia when it was written into law. Oh, also back in the 90’s in Mass. when Romney made it part of Romneycare.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:24 am
Insurance companies paying for contraception is not a new idea, nor is it a bad one, nor is it a religious freedom issue. The Church institutions don’t pay for it, the people who pay the premiums pay for it. And if they don’t like that, tough. Having a group policy that has contraception as an OPTION the church institutions pay for out of the paychecks they pay women – is no different than if they hire a woman and pay her a paycheck and she goes and buys contraception herself, in terms of the church paying for it. Both ways are indirect payment. If they want to totally avoid paying for contraception, their only choice is to not hire women. Except they can’t, because that is ALSO against the law.
Tough nuts, churches. Here’s my two step program for you:
1) Get over it
2) Stay over it
MB
February 22nd, 2012
9:24 am
I would like to encourage all my liberal minded friends across the great state of GA to hold your noses and vote in the GA GOP primary for Rick Santorum. With a little lick we can get this idiot nominated and wake up Wed, Nov. 7th with an electoral map that rivals 1964’s.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
kayaker 71
February 22nd, 2012
9:19 am
Don’t forget you can also get them for free if you are a college student as nearly all of teh campus clinics give them out in bags, for free.
Many free clinics will offer free condoms as well. Hell the small town in GA I went to college in even gave girls over18 (under 18 parental permission) free birth control as long as the girls also got an STD test each month when returning.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
JohnnyReb – Acer
I only call these mindless voters what they are. If you can’t handle the truth here, go somewhere else.
0311/1811
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
Breaking News:
Santorum Announces the 2012 Launch of “European Americans for Santorum” !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdjoHA5ocwU&feature=youtu.be
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
So when talking about gas prices and the whine is that the “media did it to Bush”, are they
1. agreeing that it was improper then just as it is improper now to blame the President
2. agreeing that because they claim is is proper now that it was of course proper then and so the whine is really just a whine on their part.
3. nonsensically claim that it was NOT proper when the “media blamed Bush” but it is now proper for them and the media to blame Obama.
4. just whining incoherently
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
GS: Don’t forget you can also get them for free if you are a college student as nearly all of teh campus clinics give them out in bags, for free.
Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:18 am
Actually demand for Oil in the US is down.
Funny how prices keep going up with demand down and production up
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
well, early voting starts next week on st simons, hahaha
and I’m gonna vote for lil Ricky. heheheh
and so is every Democrat I know
PS if you got a problem with the debt, you need to address
that with the buffoons that ran up 2/3 of it – and currently
hold revenues hostage, not this guy. ching-talky point No Sale
jconservative
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
From Politico:
“President Barack Obama is topping 50 percent support in match-ups against each of the four Republican presidential candidates, a new poll finds.
In a general election contest against Mitt Romney, the president leads his Republican opponent 51 to 43 percent, according to an Associated Press-GfK survey on Wednesday. This demonstrates a significant lead for Obama compared to the December poll when the two were virtually tied at 47 to 46 percent
Meanwhile, Obama would lead Rick Santorum 52 to 43 percent, Newt Gingrich 52 to 42 percent, and Ron Paul 53 to 44 percent.”
I would caution Republicans to nominate a candidate who will be able to carry the mainstream independent vote that always decides who wins the White House. Or Obama will win in another landslide like he did in 2008.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
Keep Up: 3. They are doing it because it is perfectly ok, to them, to do to others what they see as having been done to them.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
Breaking news: Scout announces breaking news that he announced a day or two again….. guess he is trapped in a nonsense breaking new vortex. Scout may be broken.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
G$ – “Funny how prices keep going up with demand down and production up”
Not really, unless you actually believe that the demand for oil and petroleum based products is unique only to the United States.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
“In a general election, however, history suggests that Santorum would not be a formidable candidate. If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue. The question is, how many Georgia Republicans are even thinking in those terms?”
The fact they’re flocking to Santorum shows they’ve not even conceived that idea.
(Like the play on words?)
In fact, this pretty much illustrates the evangelical, social-issue Republican voter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAIGLkSMls#t=00m07s
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:29 am
GS: Funny how prices keep going up with demand down and production up
Must be that lever in the White House
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
I am leaning toward Mr. Santorum myself. I believe Mr. Santorum is drawing much of the Tea Party-Palin crowd, a clear majority of the Republican voters. While he is likely to lose Atlanta and DeKalb County, I suspect Santorum would take Georgia, and the rest of the South, by a wide margin. He will not be competitive in the hard-blue states – California, New York, Massachusetts – but then neither was McCain. Just as I am pleased to see full-throated leftism from the president, I would approve of similar conservative campaigning, and I think Mr. Santorum less likely to validly accused of pandering than either Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Romney. But bottom line, I would still vote for Hugo Chavez if he got the Republican nomination, as he is less destructive of freedom than the current office holder.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
No actually it is factual.
Again I know you think yourself to be of a superior intellect, but this I know for a fact.
Hell about 4 of my players came by just yesterday fresh from the clinic holding black bags full of condoms…. from our campus clinic…. all free!
Was the same way at both colleges I attended as well.
It is the case at most public universities I have encountered in my career which is about 7 years of working on college campuses.
But yeah, you surely know better than I
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
Paul: How abotu this one:
Contraception makes babies INCONCEIVABLE!
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
JohnnyReb – Acer
I only call these mindless voters what they are. If you can’t handle the truth here, go somewhere else.
carlosgvv – I was born in this state and lived here most of my life. I’ll leave this blog when Jay blocks my inputs. As far as I am concerned, you are the guest; why don’t you act like a well mannered person who should be happy you have been taken into the fold instead of displaying your lack of dignity?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:32 am
ragnar – “I am leaning toward Mr. Santorum myself”
Of course you are, he’s the flavor of the month. Just as the rest of the lemmings leaned toward, Cain, Perry, Gingrich ( for about 5 minutes) and Romney.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
So Adam, you work for big oil? Just when would that be? I read you on this blog all day long almost everyday.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
Adam, why do you insist upon being an @ss, it is OK for you to not know everything and it is also OK for you to not comment on every single topic regardless of if you know what you are talking about or not…….
From http://www.birthcontrolbasics.com/male/freecondoms.php
“Where to go
The first place that many people can look to get a hold of free condoms is their school. Colleges and universities all around the world provide condoms free of charge to their students. The most common places for colleges to give away condoms is at the student center, the medical center, the hospital and even many fraternities and sororities provide them free to members in their house. Many high schools around the United States also provide free condoms to their students with no questions asked. The key to getting youths to learn responsibility and use condoms is by allowing them to have access to them without embarrassing or harassing them. If a person decided that they are going to have sex they are going to do it whether or not the authorities feel they should. The key is to at least allow them to do it safely so that further problems can be prevented. There are even middle schools in some states that will provide their students with free condoms too.”
But like you said not intended to be factual…. right?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
GS: Hell about 4 of my players came by just yesterday fresh from the clinic holding black bags full of condoms…. from our campus clinic…. all free!
Was the same way at both colleges I attended as well.
Again, your personal anecdotes do not trump reality and statistics.
You asserted that it is factual that most college campus clinics give out birth control for free in bags. Prove it. Anecdotes and personal experience in a limited context are not proof. And dont’ kid yourself, working 7 years on some college campuses is LIMITED. There are TONS of college campuses out there.
So, prove it. Or walk back and say that really, you know only what happened in your personal experience and that you cannot reasonably extrapolate that onto all college campuses.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
PRESBO SINGS THE BLUES
This is funny. I want to watch the concert though on the 27th when it comes on PBS. Can anyone help me identify any of those on stage?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhO1DnNKYbo
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
Granny Godzilla
I’m not a fan of this guy, but the first 16 seconds of the video says it all –
http://tinyurl.com/7aqvhlc
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
“..extinction is a messy business” – Thomas Jefferson
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:34 am
JohnnyReb: I’m not out in the plant in a hard hat. I am IT support for my company, and I have time and approval to do whatever I want on the internet that isn’t 1) illegal and 2) preventing me from getting my work done.
So suck it.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
I don’t think a dozen or so votes would matter in the bright red state of Georgia…
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
All the folks who think Obama has done so much for big oil, please tell me how that is? Most on the Left constantly state there is not much he can do about oil prices. Would that be talking out of both sides of your mouth?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
GS: You mean the whole time you were talking about contraceptives you really meant condoms? If so, my bad. I know condoms are free in many many places. But not contraceptive pills.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
G$ – “The first place that many people can look to get a hold of free condoms is their school.”
Brillian! I can see it now, millions of men and women flocking to their local university or high school in order to get free condoms. Or better yet, asking their kids to bring home the free products. I’m surprised Ron Paul hasn’t advocated it as part of his healthcare plan.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
Adam
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
JohnnyReb:
Adam probably works from his mama’s basement…..
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
The Church institutions don’t pay for it, the people who pay the premiums pay for it.
Actually—covering contraception should lower the cost of premiums, unintended pregnancies are a whole lot more expensive. Overall health care costs for employees should drop, which is why you haven’t heard a peep from the insurance companies.
If they raise premiums because of the new policy, it’s got nothing to do with what it’ll actually cost, it’s just another chance to make more money.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
MINDLESS MINION ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GAS AND OIL PRICES BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT NEAL BOORTZ IS TALKING ABOUT ON HIS RADIO SHOW.
MINDLESS MINION ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We now bring you back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:37 am
JohnyReb: All the folks who think Obama has done so much for big oil, please tell me how that is? Most on the Left constantly state there is not much he can do about oil prices. Would that be talking out of both sides of your mouth?
Only conservatives think in such binary terms. Obama supports the oil INDUSTRY and has increased production efforts through the governmental bodies that oversee that sort of thing. He has no control over demand, and a very marginal command over supply on the world market. Only a conservative would think that having a small amount of supply-side control would result in a significant drop in oil barrel prices.
Georgia on their minds......
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
MB
February 22nd, 2012
9:24 am
Sounds like a plan…and if you live and vote in DeKalb, you can vote today….
http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/Voter/pdf/PPE_03062012.pdf
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
Aquagirl:
Thats a theory that has yet to be proven. But I have heard that one before. When Obama said that Obamacare would lower our premiums.. LOL… Mine has went up 25%…
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
So Adam, since you are mostly non-productive, would it not be true to state your salary is contributing to high prices at the pump? I’m sure everyone thanks you soooo much.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
JohnnyReb – “Most on the Left constantly state there is not much he can do about oil prices.”
Exactly, there’s nothing he can do about oil prices unless you advocate the nationalization of the oil industry. Short of that, the oil will still be sold on the world market where the prices are set regardless of how much is produced.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
I do not think that,
However one does begin to wonder why gas is not $3.65/gal in Kuwait, Syria, Venezula.
I actually know why they pay far less, but it goes to show one can buck the world market if one so chooses.
Just food for thought.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 am
JohnnyReb: So Adam, since you are mostly non-productive
That may be your opinion based on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, but my boss(es) think otherwise.
So suck it.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Fred ™:
And Jay is spewing about the GOP because thats the daily headline on Media Matters website. What do you think is more important. Contraception or the economy(gas prices)???
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
carlosgvv
You are clearly out of your element.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
G$ – “I actually know why they pay far less, but it goes to show one can buck the world market if one so chooses”
Yes, and as I stated on a previous blog, Google “oil embargo” and see how well that worked for us back in the 70’s.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
Granny Godzilla
I’m not a fan of this guy, but the first 16 seconds of the video says it all –
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That was pretty funny Paul and I’m with you. I don’t like him that much. He started out actually being in the middle, but quickly found his audience was the left so he took a dive straight left. Yet he still tries to pass himself off as “a moderate.” The few times lately I have watched his show he has one conservative surrounded by a hoard of leftists who just attack the conservative and shout him/her down every time he/she tries to speak. Much like a talk radio host I don’t find that amusing or entertaining.
But like boortz, he does have his moments. I actually liked Boortz til he sold his soul to the Republican party.
Recon 0311 2533
February 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
“In a general election, however, history suggests that Santorum would not be a formidable candidate. If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue.”
A bit of wishful thinking. Jay forgets Obama’s vulnerabilities. His approval rating is borderline within the margin of error and a few months ago it was negative approval outside the margin of error, so Obama does not enjoy a comfortable approval margin in his re-election year. Add to that a significant majority of Americans believe the country is tracking in the wrong direction. Additionally, gasoline prices are tracking to $4.00 dollars a gallon as a national average, which will most certainly impact this tepid slow paced economic recovery. Conditions in the Mid-East are reaching the boiling point and bring into question Obama’s foreign policy. If Santorum isn’t a formidable candidate for president now he may become one should he win the Republican nomination as Obama continues to look less than formidable to Independents and moderate Democrats.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
Adam – all my money on a bet that the oil industry folks in the Gulf Region does not agree with you. You know, all those folks who lost their companies and jobs when bowing to the tree huggers Barry held off issuing drilling permits after the oil spill.
I expect to receive replies they were only ensuring no more similar accidents. Well, answer me this? When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:44 am
USinUK — ““Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
I completely agree. They even seem to want to run off atheists who might otherwise be inclined to vote Republican, as I once was.
If you’re going to demogogue people who don’t mesh with your moral stance, like gays or atheists or who-have-you, then don’t be surprised when members of those groups stop voting for you. My Hispanic wife is AMAZED at how the GOP has managed to alienate a great deal of the Hispanic voting bloc; she thinks that, given their cultural focus on religion and the family, Hispanics were a huge pickup opportunity for the party. But once again, the need to demonize groups won out among the GOP faithful, and so the Democrats do better with Hispanics than they probably should.
Hint to religious conservatives — if you insult and deride certain people every other day of the year, then they probably aren’t going to vote for your side on Election Day. Just sayin.’
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
Joseph – “What do you think is more important. Contraception or the economy(gas prices)???”
I guess it depends on your point of view. In NYC, I ride the subway or walk. If I travel outside the city, I simply pull the Prius out of the parking garage. As far as contraception goes, I’d advise the candidates to drop it all together and focus on explaining what their brilliant plan is to control the price of gas without first seizing control of the oil industry.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
JohnnyReb: You know, all those folks who lost their companies and jobs when bowing to the tree huggers Barry held off issuing drilling permits after the oil spill.
And I am SURE you have evidence to back up that people lost their jobs because of the moratorium, NOT because of the spill…..
Here’s a hint – no one *I* know in the oil industry lost their job at all. Anyone who had family members working on offshore drilling rigs? They were moved to other jobs temporarily. Generally, the oil industry takes care of the people that work for them.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
Reading would hae been fundamental. I said condoms very clearly in my original post.
Guess your need to show everyone you are smart got in the way and you commented before you read and understood.
about contraceptive pills, go check it out you can get free birth control at the free clinic off of Rucker Street, directly above the baseball fields.
All one has to do is submit to an STD test monthly in order to recieve the pill. Patients used to be able to get IUD’s as well, but I do think because of budgets they had to eliminate those, and they were having problems getting people to return for the monthly testing.
You can believe what you want but there are many towns out there like this.
Hell Americus is a small country town with only about 10,000 residents, I bet a big ole metro-plex like THE ATL. has a few of these as well.
maybe you should actually read the link I posted you may learn something.
And i thought i saw yesterday where someone here claimed it was those rightwingers who don’t read the links as others enjoy reading and learning new things…
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:46 am
“when did it become the prerogative of any elected official to decree that insurance companies pay for such devices? ”
it’s the responsibility of government to regulate the insurance industry, so, yeah, it actually IS their prerogative.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Fred ™:
And Jay is spewing about the GOP because thats the daily headline on Media Matters website. What do you think is more important. Contraception or the economy(gas prices)???
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Well considering that we have ZERO control over worldwide demand or the amount that oil companies are going to price gouge us but we DO have control over the next idiot who’s going to be our President I would say probably the option thta’s NOT the oil one.
But then I’m a free thinker not a programmed minion so you just go ahead and spew out today’s talk show propaganda like a good little boy.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
JohnnyReb
“So Adam, since you are mostly non-productive, would it not be true to state your salary is contributing to high prices at the pump? ”
Is your underlying position that oil companies are extremely inefficiently run, have management who does not know what employees are doing, is not concerned about controlling costs and are generally poorly run?
Or do you think oil companies set work levels for their employees and recognize some may take more time to get the job done and a few sharp ones may take considerably less, but that’s no reason to penalize the sharp worker by piling more work on them that the less efficient ones can’t get done in the allotted time?
Batman
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
Fred
Not a fan of Boortz. But nice try.
Just a quick tutorial:
FOX 5 is one affiliate of the FOX entertainment network. They have local News considering they are a local affiliate. It is a simple task, even for you.
Here’s the tutorial:
Turn on your TV. (Wish I could help here, but other than telling you to look for the red button on the remote, you will have to figure that one out.)
Now I don’t know if they have cable TV or Sat TV in your particular government housing project, but I believe that most cable news outlets are in the 30s or 40s, as far as channels. Look for the FOX News logo (logo means brand name) in the lower left of the screen. Take note of what is playing.
Now go to WAGA, FOX 5. (Again, I wish I could help you find it, but I don’t live in government housing so I don’t know what they offer.)
Are the same programs on the two channels?
Concentrate. Try to see if you can see the difference in the programming. Can you?
Ca you tell the difference between Good Day Atlanta and the show that is being broadcast on FOX News?
I hope I have been able to help, but I have to say, considering your past performance, I doubt that I have been able to do any good. There’s only so much I can do.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
Recon — “A bit of wishful thinking. Jay forgets Obama’s vulnerabilities. His approval rating is borderline within the margin of error and a few months ago it was negative approval outside the margin of error, so Obama does not enjoy a comfortable approval margin in his re-election year.”
You’d be well-advised to compare Obama’s approval ratings to Bush’s at this point in the 2004 campaign. Obama’s doing *considerably* better, yet many of our conservative posters continue to voice unfounded and dire predictions of doom for the President.
If ratings told the whole story, Bush would have been a one-term President. Yet he wasn’t. And Obama’s doing better than Bush in that department. What does that tell you?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
JohnnyReb – “When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?”
Sometimes they do if the problem can be traced back to a design flaw in all aircraft of that type. Outside of that, usually not. However, if every plane crash took months of clean up and had the potential to damage the environment for years to come, then I would surmise that the answer would be yes..
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
“Just as the rest of the lemmings leaned toward, Cain, Perry, Gingrich ”
aw, man … I miss Cain …
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
Well Butch,
which age goup is it again that is at risk for unwanted pregnancy the most?
Why I think its 16-24 yr olds….
And i bet most of them even go to a school of some type.
Hell i even bet if you would have continued to read and follow you would have seen i also wrote about free clinics providing BC pills for free.
But hey if you can’t be bothered to read, then I guess I really shouldn’t be bothered to discuss it as you obviously do not care to learn any more than what you already think you know.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:49 am
As for the moratorium, it ended after 6 months and tons of new drilling permits were issued at breakneck speed soon after. After that point, the “new safety measures” didn’t even address the actual cause of the rig blowing up. It wasn’t a total waste, because BP needed to be held accountable both publicly and behind the scenes. But we still don’t have a proper safety measure to prevent the same thing from happening if oil supervisors at BP decide to celebrate safety again and blow something else up. They kind of have a habit of doing that.
You may get all up in arms over the moratorium and “de facto” moratorium that never existed, but I PROMISE you I know more about this than you do. And not JUST because I work for big oil now.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:50 am
Oh and Joseph (can I call you littlem joey)? That ISN’T what is on the headline at Media Matters. I just checked. LOL It’s oil.
So should I add Media Matters to my tool bar as someplace to check into periodically? I never really heard about it until the last couple of days where you neo-cons have just been busting a gut about it. It must be a hot button issue for the talk shows. Is it as nutwing left as Huffington?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:50 am
GS: Hell i even bet if you would have continued to read and follow you would have seen i also wrote about free clinics providing BC pills for free.
And you have yet to actually provide non-anecdotal evidence of this.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Wow, we are only producing as much oil as we were back in the 70s during the embargo? and all this media telling me we are producing more now.
We produce enough oil here for our consumption, especially if we can quit sending our oil to other countries, keep it here or demand lower prices per barrell to allow our oil on the world market
Billings
February 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
The reality.
Soothsayer
February 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
“We Are Drowning” On A Road To Nowhere: New War on the Horizon
Oil prices are rocketing. Iranian warships are moving into the Mediterranean to shadow the US warships already there. Propaganda news is growing with rumors of Al Qaeda links with Iran, and, then, less speculative news about real links between the terror groups and the armed opposition in Syria.
The timing now seems to be for war in October, just before the next Presidential election. Does that mean that the White House believes that war fever will generate more support for an embattled Commander in Chief. Orwell was right in his classic 1984: “the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact.”
“[T]he undeniable fact that, over the course of a decade, a bunch of cheats, thieves, and suited mountebanks stole most of the national economy and then wrecked whatever was left of it. But what’s most extraordinary about the whole thing is that, after they swindled their swindles and heisted their heists, and got paid off by the rest of us for having looted our naional economy, they all kept doing the same things they were doing before. These included extravagant bonuses and, of course, continued crimes of capital that ought to be capital crimes.”
“The ongoing economic crisis only appears to have deepened America’s conservative drift – a trend which is most pronounced in its least well off, least educated, most blue collar, most economically hard-hit states.”
“Everyone knows that the Great Recession has inflicted tremendous damage to the lives and fortunes of millions of Americans. But what you may not know is that most of the suffering is still to come.
We’re not even halfway done with this mess.”
A great article.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
Adam,
What do you do at “big oil”?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
G$ – “which age goup is it again that is at risk for unwanted pregnancy the most?
Why I think its 16-24 yr olds….”
So it’s your position that only that age group need be taken into consideration when considering regulation of health insurance?
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
Obama wants to lower the corporate income tax rate to 28%.
Some “Marxist”.
I laugh at the idiots on the right.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
JohnnyReb – “When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?”
Sometimes they stop flying an aircraft type temporarily even when *no* crashes have occurred, but a design or maintenance flaw is uncovered. There have been multiple instances of this just in the US in the last five years.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 am
“aw, man … I miss Cain …”
And he misses you, too, dearie!
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 am
GS: And for the record, though I did not quote your post prior to that, I did read it, as well as the link you posted. The link you posted contained zero information on birth control, which you claim is being given away for free in bags at “most” college campus clinics. You have yet to provide proof of this.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:54 am
G$ — “We produce enough oil here for our consumption, especially if we can quit sending our oil to other countries, keep it here or demand lower prices per barrell to allow our oil on the world market”
So you support nationalizing the US petroleum industry, then. You do realize that nationalizing industry is a socialist policy, don’t you?
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
i’ll “ditto” that, Fred (teehee).
that’s the screaming message du jour today on morning Rush & Neal
(its de only ting that harshes de vibe o de island, mon, dat screeching)
“Talk about gas prices & oil!”
and what’s this other one? – “Obama is ending our way of life!”
too bad, so sad, da people associate big oil w/Republikans, donchaknow
and da people associate “moral fibah” & “our way of life” with da fundie
wackos mon – again ditto (teehee)
it hurts to watch, mon – really it does – hurts my sides, i mean haha
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
Steve: Perhaps I should have said an oil company, but it is one of the top oil companies (and no, I do not live or work in Georgia btw). I work in the IT department, mostly on internal software development.
Recon 0311 2533
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
“What does that tell you?”
Joe, it tells me that you may be engaging in wishful thinking as well. Bush and Obama aren’t competing for the presidency, so Obama must run on his record as a sitting president and because of the conditions I pointed out in my post he has vulnerabilities. Sorry but facts are facts.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
Adam does this help
Now I know its not all but 75% of counties ain’t bad either
“Title X Family Planning Clinics
There is at least one Title X Family Planning clinic in 75% of counties throughout America, according to the US Department of Health and Human Services. Title X Family Planning is a federally funded program that makes it possible for teens to receive free birth control and family planning services without their parents’ permission. Teens can locate a Title X Family Planning clinic in their area by visiting the Office of Population Affairs Clearinghouse.”
http://www.life123.com/parenting/tweens-teens/teens-sex/birth-control-for-teens.shtml
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
Obamacare will never happen. I work in healthcare and there is no way for the Government to fully take over Healthcare. Everyone already has access to healthcare. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously knows very little on the subject.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
G$ – “We produce enough oil here for our consumption, especially if we can quit sending our oil to other countries, keep it here or demand lower prices per barrell to allow our oil on the world market”
Great, but again, there is no oil company that is currently owned by the U.S. government. The only way to achieve your goal is to seize the ones already in existence and demand that they sell the product only to the U.S. I still have not heard from you or anyone else as to how you plan to do this without significantly pissing the rest of the world off. Or the GOP base, which afterall advocates the free market and despises dictators.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?
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Holy crap, you call this LOGIC? When an airliner crashes does does it poison a 5 state area and destroy the livelihood of hundreds of thousands of people? Does it pollute god only knows how many square miles of oceans and causes untold billions of dollars of damage?
I mean come on REALLY? Do YOU even believe that crap you just posted is a legitimate question?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
JHM: So you support nationalizing the US petroleum industry, then. You do realize that nationalizing industry is a socialist policy, don’t you?
Wait till they realize how much lower prices would be for other stuff if it was nationalized!
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:57 am
Acer: I work in healthcare and there is no way for the Government to fully take over Healthcare.
It’s a good thing that hasn’t even been proposed! The ACA is NOT a government takeover of health care.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 22nd, 2012
9:58 am
Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
“Do YOU even believe that crap you just posted is a legitimate question?”
sadly, yes.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?
We don’t have to if the conversation keeps getting hijacked by conservatives in favor of the EXACT SAME TALKING POINT every morning. It’s pretty easy to figure out what they talked about.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:00 am
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:54 am
Yep,
There is enough regulation that the oil companies are pretty much subserviant to the request of the govenment any way.
It is the only way to keep from being bent over by OPEC.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
“What birth control do you and your wife use?” – Granny, she uses Nuvaring and I use condoms, if you must know.
“NOTE: None of the above are acceptable to the Roman Catholic Church.
Rick Santorum is a Catholic.” – I’m not Catholic.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
Fred: based on my experience in arguing that very same point with people who DON’T work in the industry and yet have a pretty high opinion of their opinions, I can say that yes, he does believe what he posted and no amount of facts will get him to change his mind. Which is why I did not engage on that particular bullsh*t question.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
free clinics providing BC pills for free.
How about we get birth control pills from our doctors, instead of jumping through a bunch of hoops? Of course jumping through a bunch of hoops doesn’t bother you, because you’re not the one trying to juggle a job, a house, a husband, and kids. You can sit there and point out how it’s sooooooo easy.
I’m sure this won’t dent your enthusiasm for telling other people just how they should do things. There seems to be a lot of that going around among the menz lately.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:02 am
Batman
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
Fred
Not a fan of Boortz. But nice try.
Just a quick tutorial:
FOX 5 is one affiliate of the FOX entertainment network. They have local News considering they are a local affiliate. It is a simple task, even for you.
Here’s the tutorial:
Turn on your TV. (Wish I could help here, but other than telling you to look for the red button on the remote, you will have to figure that one out.)
Now I don’t know if they have cable TV or Sat TV in your particular government housing project, but I believe that most cable news outlets are in the 30s or 40s, as far as channels. Look for the FOX News logo (logo means brand name) in the lower left of the screen. Take note of what is playing.
Now go to WAGA, FOX 5. (Again, I wish I could help you find it, but I don’t live in government housing so I don’t know what they offer.)
Are the same programs on the two channels?
Concentrate. Try to see if you can see the difference in the programming. Can you?
Ca you tell the difference between Good Day Atlanta and the show that is being broadcast on FOX News?
I hope I have been able to help, but I have to say, considering your past performance, I doubt that I have been able to do any good. There’s only so much I can do.
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So Brother Moron, NOW you are trying to tell me that Channel 2 WSB is NOT ALSO an affiliate?
Come on now try to keep up. It’s not mindless republicans you are talking to, it’s folks who think. You’ll actually have to up yourgame (if you can) and provide TRUTH, not smarmy half truth’s in innuendo………
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:03 am
Steve – USA – “Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?”
I’m not a Democrat, but I do it so that I can hear both sides of an arguement so that I can avoid making a one sided determination. Just as I read and watch many of the news sources outside of the U.S. in order to have a more informed opinion.
Unfortunately, that same cannot be said for many of the posters on this blog.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
10:03 am
When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?
Oy vey…. another losing post!
When an aircraft crashes, if it is weather related it is unlikely to result in grounding that craft. If it is suspected to be structural or mechanical related, it may trigger an inspection review of the system to be sure that, for example, there are not other structural wing cracks. They do not ground the “fleet” until the reason is “known”
Can you be any sillier? Oh wait, I know. Yes you can!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
“I’m not Catholic.”
and your beliefs don’t seem to matter when it comes to Santorum and what he wants to implement.
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
Adam:
How is it not?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:05 am
“free clinics providing BC pills for free.”
spoken by a person who has evidently NEVER gone to a clinic.
you must be one of the same numpties who thinks that people are getting rich on unemployment checks, too
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:06 am
USinUK: and your beliefs don’t seem to matter when it comes to Santorum and what he wants to implement.
Universally applicable.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:06 am
Yo St. Simons: Headed your way after the Primary. Never been there before, what’s a good place to eat?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
In defense of Generation $crewed, college and university campuses do in fact give out free condoms. However, I still would not advocate that as a solution to BC being covered by the insurance company.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
“Obamacare will never happen. I work in healthcare and there is no way for the Government to fully take over Healthcare.”
don’t know much about “Obamacare” I see.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)
February 22nd, 2012
9:58 am
Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?
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Which Democrats have said they even listen to those guys at all?
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 am
Again you lie or have issues with reading comprehension.
My original post said nearly all.
Never mentioned “most” until you chose that word.
So sorry I was going for nearly and since we will not be able to establish an agreement of what nearly means as in a numerical figure then it is impossible for me to prove that. However it is also impossible to prove that less than nearly all provide condoms.
I’ve seen you do this before, you can’t arue with the pister so you then try to trap them on some prove that most….. crap, it is a mature form of debate, usually only admired by college freshman at the oldest, but hey it distracts from the obvious fact that Birth Control can be obtained for free, condoms can be obtained for free.
Both can be obtained right now for free all over the country. Maybe not as easy as u would like it to be but it can be done and for you to represent it in any other fashion is dishonest and on the verge of lying.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
Acer: Google “government takeover of health care” and see what you come up with. Aside from the youtube propaganda videos, of course. I would answer your question but I think reading up on it in this way is more useful as I cannot hope to be as eloquent. Also, back when Politifact was actually reputable, they called it the lie of the year.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
Butch – 10:07 – last time I checked, condoms /= BC pills in efficacy.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
Fred ™:
Your free to think whoever you want no matter how misguided that may be….
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 am
It’s a wonder more businesses aren’t run/lead by IT guys…
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 am
Great article, it’s interesting how Democrats truly don’t believe this… Scary…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46479059
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Fred ™:
You claimed yourself that Boortz is talking about high gas prices being Obama’s fault.. You must have him tuned in if you know this????
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity?”
Sun Tzu said it would be a good idea
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“It’s a wonder more businesses aren’t run/lead by IT guys…”
GAH … worked for a company that was run by its CFO for a while … talk about a HUGE mistake! nearly brought down the company.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“Your free to think whoever you want no matter how misguided that may be…”
Ummm…have you looked in a mirror lately?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
GS: My original post said nearly all.
Never mentioned “most” until you chose that word.
The two terms are basically the same. Nearly all means most of them. Unless you’re trying to say by “nearly all” you meant environmentalism
Seriously, ok, since you want to mince words, please provide some sort of evidence, non-anecdotal, that birth control is provided for free in bags at ANY college campus clinics. Because it just is NOT. And no, condoms do not equal birth control.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
No that is not my posiition. Thanks atleast for putting a ? at the end of the sentance so it looks like a question instead of just attributing something to me as if I said it.
That is the main group of focus yes to me because that is the group in which the epidemic is most rampant.
Again there are many (adam that was for you as many could mean any more than 3 right?) free clinics that will provide free birth control. However they usually do require an STD test each month. i think it helps with funding as it is also an STD preventative.
So to answer your question I am not only concerned with one group. But I bet you wish i was would make the debating easier for you huh?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
Recon — “Joe, it tells me that you may be engaging in wishful thinking as well. Bush and Obama aren’t competing for the presidency, so Obama must run on his record as a sitting president and because of the conditions I pointed out in my post he has vulnerabilities. Sorry but facts are facts.”
Thanks for the polite response, but as usual, my point flew right over your head. If Obama’s approval rating is important, as you clearly suggested, then it’s informative to compare his rating to the ratings of recent Presidents at this point in their reelection campaigns.
Nowhere did I say that Bush and Obama were competing, merely that Obama’a approval ratings are stronger than Bush’s were at this point in his reelection. There’s no wishful thinking going on here, just a dispassionate comparison that I’m pretty sure you’re afraid to face up to.
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
St Simons – we’re on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Well said…and I agree…know your enemy…
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
When I talk to Republicans and Democrats abortion is almost last on the list of important issues. Nobody cares. Take a look at every poll and it’s very clear what is important to Americans. Abortion is a controversial issue but almost nobody votes for a president based on their beliefs on abortion. Democrats continue to lie about this, so pathetic. My generation could really care less about abortion.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
from mike’s article:
“That’s been brought on by tighter lending practices enacted after the financial crisis, which was triggered in large part by easy credit standards.”
hrm. which is worse … the worst recession EVER brought on by laissez faire baking practices or regulating them to prevent another credit crisis …
I know which I’d choose.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Democrats, read this and learn…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46479059
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Lets talk about Obama’s war on old people… Obamacare cuts 500 million from medicare and now he wants more in his new budget….
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204880404577225493025537660.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Steve — “Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?”
One needs to know their enemies, don’t you think?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
“Democrats continue to lie about this, so pathetic. My generation could really care less about abortion.”
yep.
spoken like someone without a uterus.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
Erwin: It’s a wonder more businesses aren’t run/lead by IT guys…
Some are, and they do well. Some are, and they don’t do well. Whether someone is an IT guy or not has nothing to do with it. Kinda like that whole “a community organizer doesn’t know how to fight terrorism” thing.
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
I disagree,
Republicans use abortion to fend focus away from the the things they don’t want to talk about…like jobs. It’s not the Democrats who are lying.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
@US in UK
And I assume you think that easy lending practices were created by Republicans? Correct? LOL!!
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Fred ™:
You claimed yourself that Boortz is talking about high gas prices being Obama’s fault.. You must have him tuned in if you know this????
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Well my aren’t YOU the clever one. You figured that all out by yourself did you? Good boy.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
49.5% of Americans now pay no taxes!!!! That Obama economy is really pulling the poor up to the middle class…. LOL….
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
St Simons – we’re on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity?”
Sun Tzu said it would be a good idea
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LOL you just sent THAT ONE way over their heads. I read the James Clavell translation years ago. Then someone stole it……….
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
G$ — “Yep, There is enough regulation that the oil companies are pretty much subserviant to the request of the govenment any way.”
So you’re in favor of socializing the US petroleum industry then. Okay. Thanks for clearing that up.
Any other industries we should socialize — in your opinion — while we’re at it?
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
But unemployment stimlates the economy…. Now thats something I would have never thought of…
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/valerie-jarrett-people-who-receive-unemployment-check-go-out-and-spend-it-and-help-stimulate-economy_631716.html
Morrus
February 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
J, please do a post about the desire of the Southern Baptist Convention to change its name. The subject is rife with bad branding….and WHY? because of what it says about SOUTHERN.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
@US in UK
Once again, abortion is something nobody cares about. Why hasn’t there been any attempt to outlaw abortion by the GOP? All you old people worry about abortion, the new generations could care less about it. Abortion is such a tired issue. Yeah, Republicans of course play the card to get votes, just like Democrats lie to the poor and minorities to gain votes…
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:18 am
spoken like someone without a uterus.
LOL. Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion. Imagine that.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
St. Simons – “Sun Tzu said it would be a good idea”
Good point. I wonder how many of the die hard Right Wing faithful on here have even heard of “The Art of War” let alone read it.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
“And I assume you think that easy lending practices were created by Republicans? Correct? LOL!!”
you obviously know nothing about me.
1) the majority of sub-prime loans were made by non-bank lending institutions (and, therefore, not under the same regulations)
2) because banks could offload the risk, they, in turn, CHOSE to ignore prudential lending practices
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Why hasn’t there been any attempt to outlaw abortion by the GOP?
Uhhhhh….. been under a rock lately?
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
“49.5% of Americans now pay no taxes!!!!”
I think you left out a word there, sport. That’s not what your article says.
Mr. Snarky
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Santorum scares me not because I think he could win on the merits, but that some disaster could strike Obama and cause him to win in some freak event. Just the possibility that such a person could be President and the disaster it would portend for the US and the world gives me real pause.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:18 am
spoken like someone without a uterus.
LOL. Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion. Imagine that.
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I dunno why anyone would talk to him at all………. I sure as hell won’t anymore.
BTW Which one of our mystery meats is Doomy?
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Fred ™:
Interpretation of liberal though is about as exciting as watching paint dry…. And so easy to do… It’s not hard really because you all think the same… Good troll… Now watch what you say next time so you won’t get zapped….
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Adam,
If Government forces a private industry to provide or face penality it is a take-over. I do not need videos or google to figure this one out.
Billings
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Obama and the dems won’t touch your SS, they’ll just clean out your retirement account with their stupid redistribution dream.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204880404577225493025537660.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
“Why hasn’t there been any attempt to outlaw abortion by the GOP? ”
because they are eating the elephant one bite at a time and putting up ever regulation, every restriction, every delay tactic known to man.
and, yes. it DOES matter. maybe not to you, but to millions of women around the country (and, indeed, the world)
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Aquagirl – “Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion.”
I’d hazard a guess that they don’t really talk to him at all, and the ones who do immediately regret the decision.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Aquagirl — “LOL. Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion. Imagine that.”
One wonders if women talk to Mike about much of anything.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
Aqua – 10:18 – some people choose celibacy
for others, celibacy chooses them
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
Peadawg – Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch:
all… Thanks for the correction… Your so smart…
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
49.5% of Americans now pay no taxes!!!! That Obama economy is really pulling the poor up to the middle class…. LOL….
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/
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This is from the same dumd assed foundation that claims Hong Kong is a sovereign nation and I’m supposed to believe them? Do I look dumb enough to be a Republican?
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Woodstock Mike
“When I talk to Republicans and Democrats abortion is almost last on the list of important issues. Nobody cares. Take a look at every poll and it’s very clear what is important to Americans. Abortion is a controversial issue but almost nobody votes for a president based on their beliefs on abortion. ”
That reinforces my opinion Santorum doesn’t have a grasp of the issues important to most voters, can’t articulate it, and if he were to become president, he’d concentrate on his pet issues, not upon what the country needs.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Put it this way, I’m a Republican and I could care less about abortion. If a woman wants an abortion I’m fine with it. Most Republicans are this way. Of course you have the old school Republicans that are hard liners against abortion. But my point is simple, look at what is important to voters, abortion is on the bottom of the list. Talking about it is a waste of time. It will always be legal. Who cares.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Acer706 – 9:40
I’m well aware your intellectual “element” here is beneath me. I just try to post so even you can understand what I’m saying.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Acer: If Government forces a private industry to provide or face penality it is a take-over.
Well, in that case, government has ALWAYS had control of health care. I mean, if that’s your standard.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
This is what I wrote the first thing about BC, hell you be the judge
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
“Don’t forget you can also get them for free if you are a college student as nearly all of teh campus clinics give them out in bags, for free.
Many free clinics will offer free condoms as well. Hell the small town in GA I went to college in even gave girls over18 (under 18 parental permission) free birth control as long as the girls also got an STD test each month when returning.”
Adam, that is what I posted 1st and what you have commented on since.
Never says a word about birth control being offered at colleges. Just condoms, see the sentence that starts with ….Many Free Clinics….. notice how it says condoms “as well”, then it goes on to add the birth control portion, hell that makes it 2 separate topics don’t it.
And I showed that colleges and universities do give away free condoms, so I’m not sure what your problem is now, seems you just want to argue. If that’s the case I can do that if you want to.
No need to apologize, it is your kind of behavior I expect when participating in this blog any more.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Once again, if a woman has a natural miscarriage is God guilty of abortion?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Fred ™:
Interpretation of liberal though is about as exciting as watching paint dry…. And so easy to do… It’s not hard really because you all think the same… Good troll… Now watch what you say next time so you won’t get zapped….
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Oh my. I’m being threatened. Cyber bullied as it were. I’ am SO scared…………… Gonna flash me in your speedo big boy?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE – ” Talking about it is a waste of time. It will always be legal. Who cares.”
Apparently Fox News does. Liz Cheney filled in for Hannity last week, and almost the entire show was dedicated to it and how Obama was going to ruin peoples lives with it.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
So. What’s happening. Are Republicans rallying around their latest chosen one. The one chosen for them by Friess, Santorum’s sugar daddy.
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
Dear Butch @ 9:35, good morning, a lemming is one who believes the “stimulus” worked, or alternatively believes it was not a money laundering operation, shifting taxpayer funds to those who contributed to the 2008 campaign of The One Whom We Awaited.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
@US in UK
Waiting for you to answer. Do you believe easy lending practices were created by Republicans? Because is you answer yes please do some very simple research and enlighten yourself.
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:25 am
Gas prices may soon be going sky high and be the least of our worries:
“A top U.N. nuclear official says his team could “could not find a way forward” in attempts to persuade Iran to talk about suspected secret work on atomic arms.”
Now the world’s eyes will turn toward Israel to see how long they will allow the clock to tick before doing something…………….
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
It took him three years to wake up and smell the coffee, but Chauncey is finally on to a program that could work:
Obama administration to unveil corporate tax reform plan to lower top rate to 28 percent, lose loopholes
foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/21/obama-administration-to-unveil-corporate-tax-reform-plan/?test=latestnews
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
ragnar
Anyone who would prefer hugo chavez over obama, even in jest, must be a resident of moronica…
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
GS: If you weren’t talking about BC what WERE you talking abut? Pamphlets?
Here it is again, so even YOU understand it:
Don’t forget you can also get them for free if you are a college student as nearly all of teh campus clinics give them out in bags, for free.
Many free clinics will offer free condoms as well.
The “as well” means you are talking about something OTHER than condoms in your first sentence. Considering you replied to someone who was talking about contraception, you must have also been talking about contraception.
So, WHAT were you talking about, if not that? What is the “them” that “campus clinics” give out for free, since you have excluded condoms as being the “them” you were talking about by your own words?
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Fred 10:06 – my favs in order
Crabdaddy’s
CrabTrap
Southern Soul Barbecue (if u like that, its world famous)
King & Prince
Iguana’s (newer & hip, I have no idea)
Gnat’s Landing
Dairy Queen (it gets hot, mon)
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Thank you.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
To those who replied on my comparison of stopping oil drilling versus an airliner crashing, I have 32 years experience in big time aviation so I know how the system works.
Airliners are not grounded after a crash unless there is clear evidence of equipment failure. Stopping issuing permits after the Gulf spill was pure political since they had no idea of exactly what caused the problem.
As to Adam’s claim of little impact, I suppose the numerour reports and interviews in the news of deep water rigs being sent to other waters because of no permits, and oil company owners stating how it was affecting their business, was only on Fox and was pure BS.
As Ronnie stated, the problem with the Left is they know so much that is not true.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Adam,
If Government forces a private industry to provide or face penality it is a take-over. I do not need videos or google to figure this one out.
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So Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to provide a safe work environment?
Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to pay time and a half for overtime?
Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to pay a minimum wage?
Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to quit hiring and exploiting children?
Can you clarify please? Or maybe you just were spouting some talking points you didn;t really understand……….
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
ragnar – “Dear Butch @ 9:35, good morning, a lemming is one who believes the “stimulus” worked, or alternatively believes it was not a money laundering operation, shifting taxpayer funds to those who contributed to the 2008 campaign of The One Whom We Awaited.”
Okay, no argument with that. I consider anyone who only votes party to be a lemming regardless if they’re Left or Right.
My one true regret is that Ron Paul has not surged enough to win the embrace of the party faithful. If he had, I would have enjoyed the overwhelming shift in loyalty that would automatically drift toward him had he been on top for a couple weeks.
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Now if he just had the brains to repeal ObamaCare’s higher per/employee fees for corporations and rein in the loopy and wholly uncontrolled “Consumer Protection Agency” the economy would start to recover as if conservatives were running it.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:29 am
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:05 am
“free clinics providing BC pills for free.”
“spoken by a person who has evidently NEVER gone to a clinic.
you must be one of the same numpties who thinks that people are getting rich on unemployment checks, too”
This typed by a person who does not live here so i doubt seriously if you have been in too many Free clinics in America lately either.
Me I have never went to a clinic to get birth control for myself. The clinic in that town did not provide any type of BC for men, so I was sol.
But I have went a time or two or 20 with my wife before and after we were married for her to get BC.
I did go to the clinic in college bi-monthly though to get tested, it was college and I was not the most monogamous before I got serious with the wifey.
Why would you think I have never been to the clinic?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:29 am
ragnar: It took him three years to wake up and smell the coffee, but Chauncey is finally on to a program that could work:
Obama administration to unveil corporate tax reform plan to lower top rate to 28 percent, lose loopholes
I’m starting a betting pool for names of the first House Republican to come out against it.
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
10:30 am
It’s been fun reading all y’alls posts but I have to go. Google Santorum and read the very first hit. It’s my opinion of the man to the tee.
‘Bye, y’all…
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
“If a woman wants an abortion I’m fine with it. Most Republicans are this way. ”
Then why do you Republicans keep introducing new legislature at every turn regarding abortions?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
To those who replied on my comparison of stopping oil drilling versus an airliner crashing, I have 32 years experience in big time aviation so I know how the system works.
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Great, now we have a Delta baggage handler (or sky cap) trying to make national policy. I feel SO much better now……..
Oscar
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Santorum says that contraception is always wrong. And people intend to vote for him. Seriously?
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Dear Butch @ 10:28, my contempt for the spenders – republican or democrat – is equal to yours. I am not blind to the fact that Santorum is Bush redux. My problem with Paul is his unwillingness to defend free trade and America’s interests outside our borders. I do think we have interests in the Middle East, for example.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Adam – “I’m starting a betting pool for names of the first House Republican to come out against it.”
They won’t come out against it, merely spin it as “pandering” in order to get re-elected. Kind of like running a campaign of repealing Obamacare on day one, or promising $2.50 a gallon for gas when neither is realistically possible.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
JohnnyReb — “Airliners are not grounded after a crash unless there is clear evidence of equipment failure. Stopping issuing permits after the Gulf spill was pure political since they had no idea of exactly what caused the problem.”
Bad comparison.
Halting permit issuance would be more like halting further construction of a given aircraft model. For example, if a 737-800 went down for some unknown reason, halting further production of 737-800s would be much more similar to halting drilling permit issuance. Halting further flights of 737-800s would be more similar to halting further drilling on *already permitted* operations.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
I see JohnnyReb starts by proclaiming his expertise in the mile high club or whatever and then proceeds to tell us everything he knows about oil rigs.
Are you guys always this funny.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
Fred – I very much respect the ramp guys and skycaps, they are part of a great team. But no, I was in Aircraft Maintenance. And no, I did not keep the floors and potties clean.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
JohnnyReb: I suppose the numerour reports and interviews in the news of deep water rigs being sent to other waters because of no permits, and oil company owners stating how it was affecting their business, was only on Fox and was pure BS.
Actually yes, it IS BS. Especially if there were “numerous” reports of this. Exactly 2 rigs from a single company that had ALREADY finished up what they were doing and were ready to seek new permits moved to other waters, out of hundreds of rigs from numerous other companies. What country did that one company go to?
….
Did you think Brazil? WRONG. Look it up. And if you thought Brazil you’ve been brainwashed because that was Glenn Beck’s BS – that all the oil rigs would move to Brazil to help enrich Soros’ oil buddies there. Well, that didn’t happen.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
“them” is condoms
And since a condom is a form of contraception it follows what was being said in the earlier post.
the as well part…
How about this,
I get them at Kroger really cheap. Wal-Mart has batteries really cheap as well. Wal-Mart even has the charger for the re-chargable batteries…
would you know what i meant then?????
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
I dunno why anyone would talk to him at all………. I sure as hell won’t anymore.
But Fred….how are you going to know what EVERYONE is talking about if you’re not listening to Mike?
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
From Billings’ link……but the lemmings won’t know it until after they screw themselves:
“Who would get hurt? IRS data show that retirees and near-retirees who depend on dividend income would be hit especially hard. Almost three of four dividend payments go to those over the age of 55, and more than half go to those older than 65, according to IRS data. “
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
“Once again, if a woman has a natural miscarriage is God guilty of abortion?”
Well, according to one person who did (or still does) post here…there’s no such thing as “spontaneous abortion” – which is what a miscarriage IS.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
Joe Mama – no wonder you have no problem with abortion. You think halting production of a machine is more important than protecting peoples lives.
Why pray tell can the Left not connect the dots?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
@Aquagirl: I reckon I’ll just have to remain blissfully ignorant lol.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
There is no point in disrespecting JohnnyReb’s job. Just FYI.
Still, the airline industry and oil industry are not the same industry with the same impact so a comparison of that type doesn’t work.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
10:37 am
BTW Which one of our mystery meats is Doomy?
my money’s on Joseph
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
GS: After more carefully reading your post, I concede you were talking about condoms. I do not dispute this point.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
TaxPayer – I never claimed expertise on oil drilling. However, anyone with two grey cells to rub together should be able to see an accurate comparison. Continued defense of Obama’s actions as anything other than political are futile.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
There is no point in disrespecting JohnnyReb’s job. Just FYI.
Still, the airline industry and oil industry are not the same industry with the same impact so a comparison of that type doesn’t work.
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God I hate that mis used word “disrespect.”
Besides, who “disrespected” his job? I merely guessed at what it might have been……..
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:39 am
Midori: If you read down further, you’ll see that’s where my money is as well
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
Adam,
Simple question
Are condoms a form of birth control (contraception).
They are 98% effective.
So even without you twisting every word for its end meaning,
condoms are contraception, which makes everything i said work, no?
Unless now condoms aren’t contraception
Nope
February 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
The Stock Market has increased 63% since President Obama took office. Corporate profits are at record highs. We are no longer bleeding money all over Iraq. President Obama wants to lower the current corporate tax rate while implementing taxes on the money the ultra-rich and corporations hide overseas. But no matter what this President does, the far right will continue to lie about his successes.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
GS: With regard to the larger debate of whether or not contraception should be covered, are Bishops referring to condoms when they say this? Or just pill/ring/hormone methods?
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:42 am
I never claimed expertise on oil drilling. However, anyone with two grey cells to rub together should be able to see an accurate comparison
Why, yes, oil drilling is JUST like the airline industry.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
Here’s a partial list of those in the White House Blues concert. It’s supposed to air on PBS on Feb 27.
Troy “Trombone Shorty” Andrews, Jeff Beck, Derek Trucks, Gary Clark Jr., B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Warren Haynes, Shemekia Copeland, Susan Tedeschi and Keb Mo and Mick Jagger.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
The Stock Market has increased 63% since President Obama took office.
To me, this argument is like trying to say Obama is responsible for raising gas prices by pointing out where gas prices were at the exact moment he took office and blaming him for the rise afterward.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:44 am
Mike – “Do you believe easy lending practices were created by Republicans?”
as I said – “easy lending practices” weren’t CREATED by Dems OR Republicans -
go back and reread my response to you
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 22nd, 2012
10:45 am
-Santorum: Satan Comments in 2008 ‘Not Relevant’ Today-
http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-satan-comments-2008-not-relevant-today-232700385.html
YES, please GA vote for this guy
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:46 am
I see no one but Adam, who had a go-away reply, has answered by question on how it is when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
I’m not catholic but will do my best to answer.
As far as I can tell the Pope made it Ok for followers to use condoms. He made it more of an issue of condom use being permissable to stop the spread of infection.
Thus opening a doorway for their use without it being considered a sin.
Again i am not catholic so may not be right for me to speak upon.
I do think all women should have access to BC but also that the government should never force anyone to pay for BC if oppossed to it, just as the Gov. should never be able to tell someone they cannot pay for someone BC
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
JohnnyReb — “Joe Mama – no wonder you have no problem with abortion. You think halting production of a machine is more important than protecting peoples lives. Why pray tell can the Left not connect the dots?”
Wow. It’s like you just checked out completely today and let the tumor start doing all the talking for you.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
Today is absurdly slow at work.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:49 am
“when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?”
Good question. Very good question.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:50 am
Generation – “Thus opening a doorway for their use without it being considered a sin.”
wrong.
they can ONLY use it to prevent infection – they can NOT use it for BC. it is still a “barrier method”, and therefore still a sin if you’re using it to prevent God’s Will.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:51 am
“when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?
This is based on an assumption by the law that the pregnancy had value to the woman AND to her family. It is not, and never was, based on any sort of science about preganancy.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:51 am
Thats interesting that demoncrat lawmakers got such a spike in earmarks for voting on Obama’s bills….
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/21/report-finds-spike-in-earmarks-to-democratic-lawmakers-during-controversial/?test=latestnews
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:51 am
For all those harping on the price of gas, here’s a little hint as to why it would be impossible to “drill here, drill now, pay less” as espoused by Gingrich and others.
2,296 Oil Well Drilling Companies in the U.S.
Which one do you think the government should seize first?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:52 am
GS: I do think all women should have access to BC but also that the government should never force anyone to pay for BC if oppossed to it, just as the Gov. should never be able to tell someone they cannot pay for someone BC
I think this is two one dimensional. The government isn’t forcing the church to pay for it. If the argument is that yes they are because they have to provide the plan that then pays for it, then you should also have a problem with churches paying women at all for any reason, since they might elect to buy birth control with the money, which would mean the church paid for it by the same logic.
I think if someone is opposed to something they do not have to personally buy it. But if they run an employer or an insurance company or other institution that employes people, they are bound by the law to not deny other people things just because they have a moral objection.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:52 am
“Good question. Very good question.”
no, it isn’t. it’s a facile question.
basically, the law was created as a first step to treating a fetus as a full fledged person.
THAT is why it’s against the law – and why it WASN’T for more than 2 hundred years prior to that.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:53 am
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:46 am
I see no one but Adam, who had a go-away reply, has answered by question on how it is when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?
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You stole that question off me lol.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
10:53 am
As I’ve said in the past, if employers have the option of dropping items from health insurance they object to, just were do you draw the line?
Will employers then drop any high-cost items? Even if they have to cite a religious objection?
No end of life/hospice care: interfering with nature taking its course.
No cancer treatment: interfering with God’s will.
No vaccines: God put disease here for a purpose. If you can’t survive, that’s God’s plan.
I rather admire the Christian Scientists. josef asked the other day regarding health benefits available for employees at the Christian Science Monitor. They offer a full health care package (even though they themselves don’t believe in it, they respect that their employees aren’t all Christian Scientists) and they offer their own treatment option for those who want them.
There’s a lesson there for the Catholic hierarchy. Respect the views of your employees, don’t impose you will on them thru the health plan, and offer your own doctrinal option for those who wish to avail themselves of it.
John S
February 22nd, 2012
10:53 am
I think Gingrich is done, so it is going to come down to a choice of Romney or Santorum. As a Democrat I plan to vote for Santorum in the republican primary as he will be easier to beat in November. I am urging all my Democrat friends to do the same.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
10:54 am
Doggone/GA – 10:35
That explaims who those here who think abortion is murder just try to ignore the fact of spontaneous abortions (natural miscarriages) in hopes they will just go away.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
10:54 am
I suppose I should add “evangelical Christians’ to that, as they’ve suddenly adopted Catholic doctrine.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:55 am
USinUK: “Good question. Very good question.”
no, it isn’t. it’s a facile question.
Beat me to it.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:55 am
carlos,
Natural miscarriages and abortion, which to me a woman goes to a clinic to kill her baby, are 2 different things to me.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:55 am
I love how no one has a problem with the fact that certain religions factions don’t believe in blood donation – but, yet, they still pay for it to be covered by insurance …
would love to see your cute little button noses if suddenly your employers decided they didn’t want to cover THAT anymore …
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:56 am
“That explaims who those here who think abortion is murder just try to ignore the fact of spontaneous abortions (natural miscarriages) in hopes they will just go away”
Yep…or as the White Queen said, they can believe 6 impossible things before breakfast
jm
February 22nd, 2012
10:56 am
John S
Careful what you wish for. You also make a compelling argument for closed primaries doing things like that, which is anti-centrist and bad for America.
Dbag
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:56 am
“Natural miscarriages and abortion, which to me a woman goes to a clinic to kill her baby, are 2 different things to me.”
But they aren’t to the foetus
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:57 am
“no, it isn’t.”
Well to me it is. You shouldn’t be able to have it one way and not the other. Either it’s murder, or it’s not.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:57 am
“Natural miscarriages and abortion, which to me a woman goes to a clinic to kill her baby, are 2 different things to me.”
well, my dear, they won’t be investigated by the police any differently in the brave new world the GOP and the likes of Santorum have in mind …
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:57 am
Yep…or as the White Queen said, they can believe 6 impossible things before breakfast
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:57 am
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:51 am
“when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?
This is based on an assumption by the law that the pregnancy had value to the woman AND to her family. It is not, and never was, based on any sort of science about preganancy.
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How can they make that assumption. Maybe the woman was going to go get an abortion the very next day.
I’m not being a dick or being argumentative DG, I’ve always wondered about that ambiguity in the law. If abortion is NOT a crime, then that assumes the fetus is NOT a life and therefore not able to be “murdered” when the mother is. The should hold true in every case. If the fetus IS alive (IE murder charges) then how can it not be murder to abort it.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
Oh, and BTW Peadawg, even nature can’t abort a BABY. THAT would be an early birth, not an abortion
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
Watch Carney lie…..
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/02/21/carney_obama_didnt_turn_down_the_keystone_pipeline.html
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:58 am
Peadawg – “Either it’s murder, or it’s not.”
Why are you so concerned, are you planing to kill a pregnant woman in the near future?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:59 am
“How can they make that assumption. Maybe the woman was going to go get an abortion the very next day
that is WHY it’s an assumption. Since the women is dead and cannot answer any questions, the law ASSUMES the pregnancy had value to her and to her family.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:59 am
I wonder if we’d be having this same conversation if conjoined twins with one that didn’t develop fully was much more common and science came up with a way to remove the undeveloped, but not dead, one. Since it’s life from the moment of conception and all….
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
11:01 am
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:50 am
Is the Pope going to hand out a survey afterwards?
If not then how will any know? I think the Pope was smart enough to know people would interpret it that way.
Maybe not, but that is what I thought when i heard the Pope say that.
Kinda how I tell my son his BB gun is only to be shot at empty bottles and cans, but I am sure a squirrel or 2 get shot at. Maybe things worse than that.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
11:01 am
Joseph – “Watch Carney lie…..”
Bah, blah, blah….. Again, regardless of how you move the product, prices won’t be affected until you control where the product is sold and for how much. Exactly how do you think the pipeline will solve that little problem?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:02 am
“If abortion is NOT a crime, then that assumes the fetus is NOT a life and therefore not able to be “murdered” when the mother is.”
Sorry, missed this! The issue is not whether the foetus is a life, that is and always will be the wrong angle. The issue is that the foetus is not a PERSON. The woman is a person. The foetus does not become a person, legally, until it is born and takes it’s first breath. At that point it is, beyond revocation, a separate being from the woman who bore it and is entitled to all the rights we have as a person and a citizen of this country.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
11:02 am
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:51 am
“when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?
This is based on an assumption by the law that the pregnancy had value to the woman AND to her family. It is not, and never was, based on any sort of science about preganancy.
Doggone – I’m not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV. However, I do know that “value” lawsuits are civiil court. The trial for someone who murdered a pregant woman is held in criminal court. It is a criminal offense.
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
“That explaims who those here who think abortion is murder just try to ignore the fact of spontaneous abortions (natural miscarriages) in hopes they will just go away.”
That’s like comparing a heart attack to an ax beheading……….
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:03 am
“The issue is that the foetus is not a PERSON.”
” The foetus does not become a person, legally, until it is born and takes it’s first breath.”
Then why can men be charged for murder if it’s not legally a person yet?
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:04 am
“This is based on an assumption by the law that the pregnancy had value to the woman AND to her family. It is not, and never was, based on any sort of science about preganancy.”
Does it matter the basis? The law and charges are based on the taking of multiple “lives”…….so the law must be recognizing more than one life.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
11:04 am
Peadawg – “Then why can men be charged for murder if it’s not legally a person yet?”
I understand your outrage now. Afterall, if a woman kills a pregnant woman, she should be charged with murder too! What’s up with all the man bashing these days?
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
11:05 am
If the fetus IS alive (IE murder charges) then how can it not be murder to abort it.
Because she’s voluntarily revoking consent for the fetus to use her body.
In our legal system your organs belong to you, no one else can legally demand part of you even if they will die without it. Well, as long as you’re a man anyway. The rules for women are different.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
“Then why can men be charged for murder if it’s not legally a person yet?”
Can you people reason AT ALL? The law ASSUMES the woman desired her pregnancy to come to term and RESULT IN a born baby that is a person and a citizen. Since neither can speak for themselves, since both are DEAD. The law ASSUMES IT.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:59 am
“How can they make that assumption. Maybe the woman was going to go get an abortion the very next day
that is WHY it’s an assumption. Since the women is dead and cannot answer any questions, the law ASSUMES the pregnancy had value to her and to her family.
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I still don’t get it, don’t think it’s right (the double murder charge) but it isn’t something I care to spend much time on. I’ve asked lawyer types, but the problem there is they think you are trying to draw them into a discussion on abortion, not a discussion on a point of law (which to me that scenario is).
Precedence has shown that having “value” to someone is not not reason enough to use deadly force, therefore using the same precedence I would think that since murder is a capitol crime then my charging someone with 2 murders because of the assumption of “value” is disingenuous.
Oh well. Like I said, nothing I’m going to sit and argue about, especially since this is a public forum and others will get involved clouding the issue making it one of “abortion” not a point of law.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
Then why can men be charged for murder if it’s not legally a person yet?
Not everything the courts do makes sense. It’s a codifying of an emotional reaction. We must CONTROL and PUNISH the person who murdered the woman EXTRA if she was pregnant and had an intent to carry to term. It doesn’t matter if it would have actually made it that for, or even 18 years down the line, because what matters is the EVIL PERSON we are trying to PUNISH.
None of it is based in logic. All of it is based on creating precedent out of nowhere. It only takes a judge or two to say this is actual justice for it to become precedent.
CONTROL and PUNISHMENT.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
Generation – “Is the Pope going to hand out a survey afterwards? If not then how will any know?”
you really AREN’T Catholic, are you.
a sin in the heart is still a sin … and if, in your heart, you’re using a condom to prevent a pregnancy, then you should go to confession for it and ask for absolution.
if you don’t – or if you go to confession and don’t include it (sin of omission), then you will die out of a state of grace …
and it’s the FLAMES for you, mister! (and, no, I’m not talking about the former Atlanta hockey team)
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:07 am
Peadawg – “Then why can men be charged for murder if it’s not legally a person yet?”
because the law was passed and signed.
that’s why.
gm
February 22nd, 2012
11:07 am
Recon 0311 2533
as Obama continues to look less than formidable to Independents and moderate Democrats.
Stop dreaming Obama is leading in ever poll with independents, no one wants a right wing nut but the bigots of the tea party movment, Newt and Rick have even scared off the moderate rep with this religion bashing of Obama and Newt questioning his stance on National Security.
While these idiots are bashing and playing God, Obama is talking jobs, jobs, now we see why Rick got beat by 20 points in his home town, thank god for other regions of American who are not buying this crap, they have nothing to run on buy hate and jealous of the President.
ken
February 22nd, 2012
11:09 am
I love 15% unemployment. I love $5.00 gas. I love Government in my life. I love people being kicked out of their houses. I will really like it when I go to a government doctor. I love BHO . UM UM UM
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:09 am
as Obama continues to look less than formidable to Independents and moderate Democrats.
Uh, nope
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:09 am
“because the law was passed and signed.
that’s why.”
And that’s one reason for the abortion argument that still goes on. If one person gets charge for doing something and another person doesn’t get charge for doing the same thing….one of these things just doesn’t belong here.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:10 am
“CONTROL and PUNISHMENT.” – Only on men it seems. Not on women.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:10 am
ken: I love 15% unemployment.
Me too. I love that it dropped from 16% just 5 months ago to 15% now.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:52 am
Those employed have a right to not work for any business that does not compensate them to their liking.
If I was not happy with the compensation package at this job I would leave and find another job, as that is my right.
If a group or business finds that there is nobody to work for them they may change their tune.
Me personally just do not feel it is governments place to tell any comanpy what must be in the compensation package. I know the min. wage argument, but I honestly do not think anyone of legal citizenship or legal immigration would work for less than min. wage now.
i may be wrong.
Again just not a fan of the gov telling anyone what they must purchase. Because it they can tell us what we must purchase they can tell us what we cannot purchase as well.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:11 am
“And that’s one reason for the abortion argument that still goes on. If one person gets charge for doing something and another person doesn’t get charge for doing the same thing”
actually, no, it’s NOT the same thing.
you seem to forget that it’s a DOUBLE homicide – that the woman is killed as well as the fetus.
interested observer
February 22nd, 2012
11:12 am
I’ll be voting for Obama in the fall and for Santorum on March 6. What a gift for Obama to have Santorum as the GOP nominee!
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:12 am
Last thing I’m going to say on the double murder thing: OBVIOUSLY there is a legal point or precedent other wise either some anti-abortion lawyer would argue it as a way to abolish abortion, or some Defense attorney would argue it as a way to get one charge dropped from his client.
In short, I think they do it just so they can double the sentence and make them back to back which extends the time until the murderer is eligible for parole. IF the defense lawyer pushes hard enough they drop the second murder charge. That’s just a guess, not anything I have any proof or knowledge of.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:12 am
Peadawg: So if a woman kills a pregnant woman she won’t be charged two murders but if a man were to murder the same pregnant woman at the same time instead, it would be two murder charges?
If so, that is even more wrong than I thought.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:12 am
“you seem to forget that it’s a DOUBLE homicide – that the woman is killed as well as the fetus.”
I get that. But it’s that second homicide charge for the unborn baby that’s the sticking point.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
ken – “I love 15% unemployment. I love $5.00 gas. I love Government in my life. I love people being kicked out of their houses. I will really like it when I go to a government doctor. I love BHO . UM UM UM”
You should have made better choices in your life so as not to be directly affected by government influence.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
“actually, no, it’s NOT the same thing”
And here’s a question I don’t know the answer to: if a woman is attacked and as a result loses her pregnancy, is the attacker charged with murder? I don’t THINK so, but I don’t actually know for sure.
Jimmy62
February 22nd, 2012
11:13 am
By getting the most votes!
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:14 am
“I’ll be voting for Obama in the fall and for Santorum on March 6.” – That’s actually not a bad idea.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:14 am
GS: If a group or business finds that there is nobody to work for them they may change their tune.
That’s not how it works in the real world.
And the government already tells us what we cannot purchase. Heroine, and nuclear grade plutonium, for instance.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:15 am
Fred: In short, I think they do it just so they can double the sentence and make them back to back which extends the time until the murderer is eligible for parole. IF the defense lawyer pushes hard enough they drop the second murder charge. That’s just a guess, not anything I have any proof or knowledge of.
I’m pretty sure you’re right. It’s about an emotional need to punish the murderer EXTRA.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:16 am
So, first thing I see when I finally get a chance to get on here this morning is the scary headline about how Santorum could win Georgia. Then I start reading comments and find y’all are already trying to educate the masses as to the difference between a double murder and abortion. For everyone that can’t see the difference and thinks there is/should be a correlation, please find me a case where someone was charged with murder for an assault that resulted in the death of the fetus, not the woman.
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:16 am
“actually, no, it’s NOT the same thing.
you seem to forget that it’s a DOUBLE homicide – that the woman is killed as well as the fetus.”
Which means the law is recognizing 2 people………otherwise, it would be SINGLE homicide.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
11:16 am
Fred – if you posted the same question as I earlier on abortion, I did not see it. The other day you claimed I stole the Red Rider – Lunatic Fringe from you. On the Red Rider song, I posted Red Rider about 5 or 6 times during that week trying to get someone on the Left to bite, but on one did. Believe me, I’m not stealing your posts.
If this means we think alike, that really, really scares me.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:17 am
(ir)Rational: please find me a case where someone was charged with murder for an assault that resulted in the death of the fetus, not the woman.
Excellent point.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
11:17 am
If one person gets charge for doing something and another person doesn’t get charge for doing the same thing….one of these things just doesn’t belong here.
You can take possession of my car two ways: With my consent, or without. One way will land you in jail.
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 22nd, 2012
11:17 am
I swear you CONs lose it more and more everyday……………..
-Indiana Republican lawmaker says Girl Scouts promote abortion-
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Undaunted by ridicule from the leader of his own party, an Indiana lawmaker is standing by his allegations that the Girl Scouts is a radical organization that promotes abortions and homosexuality.
http://news.yahoo.com/indiana-lawmaker-says-girl-scouts-promote-abortion-150745801.html
A question?
February 22nd, 2012
11:18 am
How do raging liberal moonbats call themselves independent?
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:18 am
Adam and Fred – Probably also a way to push for the death penalty.
Doggone @ 11:13 – So, kinda scary, you and I are on the same wavelength this morning. I’m almost positive it isn’t, but I can check with the Mrs. They’re going over homicide in her Criminal Law class today. Maybe they’ll touch on that subject.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:19 am
This is the only thing I found, Doggone @ 11:13
http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-441599.htm
“A Bath pharmacist has been charged with causing his pregnant girlfriend — a Sayre resident — to have a miscarriage. Sayre police on Wednesday charged Orbin Eeli Tercero, 38, with criminal homicide of an unborn child, first-degree murder of an unborn child, aggra vated assault of an unborn child, aggravated assault, hindering apprehension or prosecution, and tampering with or fabricating physical evidence. ”
Looks like somewhere in Pennsylvania I believe. Not sure if he was convicted though or how long ago this was.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:19 am
“How do raging liberal moonbats call themselves independent?”
Easy answer: they don’t
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
11:20 am
How about we get birth control pills from our doctors, instead of jumping through a bunch of hoops?
Aquagirl–You can already do that. All you have to do is make an appointment. But, horror of horrors, you might have to actually pay for your own prescription. Which is the real issue here.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:21 am
md – Care to respond to the idea that if someone goes out and assaults (well, I think the legal term would be something to do with battery as assault is just the threat of harm) a pregnant woman and it results in the death of the fetus, are they then charged with murder as well as assault and battery? Or just assault and battery?
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:21 am
Re: my 11:19
Just the fact that he was charged doesn’t seem right…if it’s a person and all.
Seems like the queen of double-standards if you ask me.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
Ah GA the most irrelevant bassakward state in the union……losers….
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
Scott Petersons case will automatically go to the CASC, so this discussion will be played out sometime in the near future……..
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
if it’s NOT a person…the baby that is
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
Currently, the choice is ours. Why is the ability to choose such a big deal?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
11:16 am
Fred – if you posted the same question as I earlier on abortion, I did not see it. The other day you claimed I stole the Red Rider – Lunatic Fringe from you. On the Red Rider song, I posted Red Rider about 5 or 6 times during that week trying to get someone on the Left to bite, but on one did. Believe me, I’m not stealing your posts.
If this means we think alike, that really, really scares me.
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LOL No kidding right? It’s funny how often folks post the same thing or have the same ideas. But you really SHOULD open your mind more as to who you are lol. I’m not a democrat nor a republican, I’m an independent. As such I have views that will coincide with each “group” depending on the issue.
Actually what got me posting here (as opposed to other blogs) was when Jay stole my FAVORITE civil rights position. I have always said the Martie King’s dream has come true as his kids ARE judged by the content of their character not the color of their skin. Judged and found to be scum. And then Jay posted that last year or so ago. Man was I hot. Who now would believe it was MY line for all this time………..
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
Peadawg – without knowing the length of her pregnancy at the time of the assault, we don’t know enough. If the pregnancy was far enough along that it could be terminated and the child was developed enough to survive, then homicide (not murder, BTW) might have been a justifiable charge.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
11:23 am
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:06 am
I understand what sins of the heart are…
I’m Episcopalian, so I’m a red-headed step-child to catholics, or a gay uncle/aunt whichever suits them best.
But I also know that sometimes the voice of the mind is much louder and more convincing than the heart. Meaning we can talk ourselves into alot eventhough we know deep down it is wrong.
This is what i think the Pope was doing. He knows that condoms are of value, but also knows of historical and values of faith. therefore he kinda made a compramise without really making one.
But just my opinion, I do not KNOW the Pope’s true intent nor that of any Catholic. It is not my place as i see it to KNOW what is in any man or womans heart. Maybe you do, but as for me I can only go by what i think he/she means.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
February 22nd, 2012
11:23 am
Its her uterus she can haul coal in it if she wants too.. geezzzz…
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
11:23 am
the diversion topics on today’s menu incluuude –
-abortion (the trick is getting “murder” in the same sentence)
-food stamps
-47% pay no taxes
-gas & oil prices
-wahwahwah
-”our way of life” (creepy wink-wink)
annnnything but your candidates & what they have to offer
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:25 am
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
Scott Petersons case will automatically go to the CASC, so this discussion will be played out sometime in the near future……..
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Was he charged with two murders? I forgot about him.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:25 am
“annnnything but your candidates & what they have to offer”
It’s b/c most everyone no here agrees that Santorum is an idiot and we must argue about SOMETHING. it’s no fun when everyone agrees.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
11:26 am
(ir)Rational: please find me a case where someone was charged with murder for an assault that resulted in the death of the fetus, not the woman.
Excellent point.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308942/posts
didn’t research it too much but seems kinda legit, woman was assaulted, fetus died as a result, father charged with murder and assault.
Mother lived.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:26 am
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:22 am
It says in there that the woman was going to get an abortion but changed her mind. Using your favorite word from today, we can ASSUME it would have been aborted by the woman if she had gone through with it.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:27 am
Pea – This gets into the way the law works, which I am by no means an expert on, but I believe the difference there is specific intent. Really not sure though.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:28 am
“It says in there that the woman was going to get an abortion but changed her mind. Using your favorite word from today, we can ASSUME it would have been aborted by the woman if she had gone through with it.”
read your first sentence again, especially the last three words
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:29 am
(ir),
Sure, I’ll repond……seems you may soon have an official answer:
http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/20/woman-may-be-charged-for-killing-unborn-baby-in-shooting/
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:29 am
@md: He (Peterson) was charged (and convicted of) with 2nd degree murder for the baby
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:30 am
“read your first sentence again, especially the last three words”
Yup. What’s up?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:30 am
md@11:29: Nice find. I’ll try to remember to keep an eye on that one.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
11:31 am
By the way, what is that Republican definition of conception? Have you guys reached a concensus on that one yet.
sheepdawg
February 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
fun watching the gop slowly implode. go t party dummies and evangelical zealots!!!
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
Peadawg, md
So this perfect all-knowing, all-caring God of love you worship causes women to have natural miscarrages. However, is a woman, on her own, does the same thing, it’s murder? With that kind of muddled thinking, I wonder how you two make it thru the day.
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
And from the link:
“In Alabama, criminal code defines a homicide victim as “a human being, including an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability.””
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:34 am
St Simons – we’re on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
11:23 am
the diversion topics on today’s menu incluuude –
-abortion (the trick is getting “murder” in the same sentence)
-food stamps
-47% pay no taxes
-gas & oil prices
-wahwahwah
-”our way of life” (creepy wink-wink)
annnnything but your candidates & what they have to offer
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In all fairness St. Simon, that topic has been talked to death lol. It’s just the gateway topic anymore…….
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
“However, is a woman, on her own, does the same thing, it’s murder?”
If a man causes an abortion, or kills a pregnant woman, he’s charged for homicide or whatnot of the unborn baby. Why can a woman get away with homicide but a man can’t? Double-standard to me.
Here we go!
February 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
What is a barely pregnant woman and what specific case are you referring to? Name the case and the state.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:35 am
“Which means the law is recognizing 2 people………otherwise, it would be SINGLE homicide.”
funny how they’re not counted as persons for the census … or anything else.
and, as I mentioned earlier, this is only a NEW phenomenon which is part and parcel of the anti-choice agenda.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
“In Alabama, criminal code defines a homicide victim as “a human being, including an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability.””
Only for a man it seems. Women can commit homicide all they want. Pretty sick if you ask me.
Jefferson
February 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
I want to be a GOP voter, just tell me who to vote for.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
md – That is the first case I’ve found where they didn’t show specific intent (although the news story is very scant on the details and the relationship of the two women) to kill the fetus for some reason (typically because the boyfriend felt she should get an abortion), so that will be an interesting case to follow. I think the most interesting part will be in the details that come out. What was there relationship, did she specifically intend to kill the fetus, did she even know the woman was pregnant? Depending on the answers to those questions, that could be a very ground breaking case.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
“If a man causes an abortion, or kills a pregnant woman, he’s charged for homicide or whatnot of the unborn baby. Why can a woman get away with homicide but a man can’t? Double-standard to me”
Take it up with the MEN who passed and signed those laws. They claim to be the “logical” sex.
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:37 am
“So this perfect all-knowing, all-caring God of love you worship causes women to have natural miscarrages.”
BHAAAAAAAMP……….that’s the sound that just went off with your assumption…….
As far as I’m concerned, the jury is still out on the god thing…….I’m basing my opinion on the logic that there is life…….the dna strand for every human begins at fertilization……I don’t buy the “blob” theory folks like to use to justify an action.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:37 am
“funny how they’re not counted as persons for the census … or anything else.”
Agreed. So why’s can a man be charged with homicide?
None of this crap makes sense. One way, but not this way, or that way.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:37 am
I’m out. Later. I’ll look back to see what was decided as I know there will be a clear consensus and a meeting of the minds here……….
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:38 am
“Take it up with the MEN who passed and signed those laws.”
I’ll take that answer as the law doesn’t make sense to you either.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
11:39 am
Why can a woman get away with homicide but a man can’t? Double-standard to me.
Because in your world, teh wimmenz have no control or consent for their body. I can see why you think a man should be able to do something against her will and get away with it.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
Take it up with the MEN who passed and signed those laws. They claim to be the “logical” sex.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Sweet, just the opening for posting a tune that I was looking for……….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k3JVfxluFU
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
“Because in your world, teh wimmenz have no control or consent for their body.” – So women are free to commit homicide? That’s f’ed up.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
md — ““In Alabama, criminal code defines a homicide victim as “a human being, including an unborn child in utero at any stage of development, regardless of viability.””
Dude, you’re talking about ALABAMA. Haven’t you seen the signs on I-20 and I-85 that direct you to reset your watch to 1848 when you cross the state line?
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
11:40 am
whaaat? don’t call the man I’m votin fowah next week an idot, heheh
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:42 am
“I’ll take that answer as the law doesn’t make sense to you either.”
You are correct. It does not. The death of the foetus should ONLY be counted as a homicide if the pregnancy is far enough advanced that the baby could be reasonably expected to survive if the pregnancy was terminated. I refer you to the story of the birth of Julius Ceasar as an example.
snoqualmiefalls
February 22nd, 2012
11:43 am
gingrich
santorum=
AU H2O 1964
Nuff said
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:45 am
Peadawg: It’s b/c most everyone no here agrees that Santorum is an idiot and we must argue about SOMETHING. it’s no fun when everyone agrees.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:46 am
“Agreed. So why’s can a man be charged with homicide?”
for killing a woman?
gee. you’re right. he should just get away with it.
md
February 22nd, 2012
11:46 am
Joe,
Merely pointing out existing law…….which will more than likely make it to the SC at some point in the future……only a matter of time.
We can argue opinions here all day long and not change a thing……the courts will eventually let us know how to live……………
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
OK, no making fun of Alabama even if their state flower is the the satellite dish.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:47 am
seriously – FWIW, many pro-choice women I knew were against the double-homicide law for just that reason – because the fetus is NOT a person and should NOT be treated as such by the law.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:48 am
“for killing a woman?” – Sorry…after an hour of discussion I thought you’d know i meant for killing the baby.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
Israel and Iran
http://www.economist.com/node/21547297
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
Johnny Reb – “even if their state flower is the satellite dish.” Great, because of that, I snorted Mt. Dew out of my nose.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
As I’ve said in the past, if employers have the option of dropping items from health insurance they object to, just were do you draw the line? Will employers then drop any high-cost items? Even if they have to cite a religious objection?
Paul–IMO, it’s unfortunate that the “religious objection” angle has muddied what should otherwise be a straight-forward question regarding free commerce. Employers are not legally required to provide health insurance to their employees, nor should they be. As such, it comes across as a little bit crazy to me that if an employer is generous enough to offer coverage, then the government has the right to step in and dictate exactly what coverage is offered. If your office staff only consists of people over the age of 60, for example, why should the employer be forced to pay for maternity coverage?? The bottom line is that all of these mandatory riders have helped push the cost of insurance to unaffordable levels.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:49 am
UNBORN baby @ 11:48…just be clear for USinUK
Either you’re playing dumb…or you really are dumb. Not sure which.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:50 am
P’diddy – “UNBORN baby @ 11:48…just be clear for USinUK”
double homicide, dear … double homicide … it’s not just for killing a fetus …
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:51 am
Bruno: Employers are not legally required to provide health insurance to their employees, nor should they be. As such, it comes across as a little bit crazy to me that if an employer is generous enough to offer coverage, then the government has the right to step in and dictate exactly what coverage is offered.
How does your argument change, knowing that the ACA actually DOES by law require that employers offer health insurance plans?
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
11:51 am
Here’s a link that goes into abortion versus murder. Basically, the difference is man has put forth a law declaring voluntary abortion as legal whereas the same fetus killed by other means is illegal. In the end, that reasoning will not stand before man or God.
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5656
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:51 am
“double homicide, dear … double homicide … it’s not just for killing a fetus …”
OMG we’re going in circles. I get that. And that second homicide is what we’ve been talking about for the past hour. Keep up..geeze.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
11:52 am
jm – “Israel and Iran
Okay, I’m convinced. We need to get one of your guys in the WH as soon as possible so that they can cut taxes low enough to pay for another ground war in the Middle East.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:52 am
“If your office staff only consists of people over the age of 60, for example, why should the employer be forced to pay for maternity coverage??”
Because that is how insurance works. The “pool” of payers is large enough that the cost PER payer is lower than it would be if each individual had to negotiate and buy their own policy.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
11:52 am
So women are free to commit homicide? That’s f’ed up.
If that was true I’d have a rocket launcher affixed to my car, and we’d be missing some idiots driving 45 mph in the left hand lane with a phone jammed in their ear.
Here we go!
February 22nd, 2012
11:53 am
Perhaps this will help you out:
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx
Shows each states laws. Remember, Federal law typically trumps state law and those cases in between wind up in the Supreme Court. Where, Roe v Wade was?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:54 am
If you intend to carry a pregnancy to term and someone kills you, there should most definitely be a legal consideration for extra penalty if it was obvious that the person was pregnant and therefore seen as more vulnerable to predators like murderers. However, I do NOT think that the second charge should be murder. That’s just an attempt to create the highest possible PUNISHMENT.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
11:55 am
Aquagirl: If that was true I’d have a rocket launcher affixed to my car, and we’d be missing some idiots driving 45 mph in the left hand lane with a phone jammed in their ear.
That made me laugh hard enough that I got funny looks by people walking by my office just now.
Corey
February 22nd, 2012
11:55 am
All Mr. Gingrich’s opponents have to do is keep playing those clips of him trashing Mr. Reagan, and he’s done.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
11:56 am
” …driving 45 mph….”
oh, no dats 20 miles over the speed limit, mon
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
11:56 am
I should have know Chauncey was not smart enough to get it right:
“Corporations with overseas operations would also face a minimum tax on their foreign earnings” So he decides it is smart to give companies with overseas operations a strong incentive to increase their overseas expenses, e.g., shift salaries from US to overseas operations. Don’t they think these things through?
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:56 am
JohnnyReb – I realize this is the South, and I’m probably going to step on a lot of toes here, but not everyone believes in your God. And I’ve always found it odd, that many of the people that do, are shunned by the mainstream of Christianity. So, you worry about what your God is going to think about your actions, and I’ll worry about my own actions. Laws shouldn’t take into consideration a (possibly) imaginary deity that no one can either prove or disprove when they’re made.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
11:56 am
“If that was true I’d have a rocket launcher affixed to my car, and we’d be missing some idiots driving 45 mph in the left hand lane with a phone jammed in their ear.”
Oooooh no you didn’t! Don’t even get me started on bad drivers…whoooooole other topic.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:56 am
“And that second homicide is what we’ve been talking about for the past hour. Keep up..geeze.”
and that second homicide is just that … a SECOND homicide. none of these charges stand on their own – even if the woman lives, the man is charged with his assault on the woman (battery at a minimum if not attempted murder)
and, as I’ve said repeatedly – these are just the steps the anti-choice movement is taking to turn a fetus into being recognized as a full-fledged person.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
11:57 am
“I get that. And that second homicide is what we’ve been talking about for the past hour. Keep up..geeze.”
What you are NOT getting is that the second homicide charged is tacked on to make it possible to increase the punishment for the guilty person. I KNOW I’m going to be accused of comparing a “baby” to shoes here, but anyway…when was the last time you were arrested for driving barefoot?
As far as I know, it’s still illegal in GA to do that, but they don’t put up traffic stops to check peoples feet. It’s just a charge to add on to the list of violations if you happen to be caught breaking some other traffic law and they find you were ALSO driving barefoot. It increases the fine or length of jail time you can get.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
11:57 am
“However, I do NOT think that the second charge should be murder. That’s just an attempt to create the highest possible PUNISHMENT.”
which is why I’ve been saying that it’s always an adjunct to the original murder charge – never a stand-alone.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
11:59 am
md — “Merely pointing out existing law…….which will more than likely make it to the SC at some point in the future……only a matter of time.”
I expect that draconian Alabama Papers, Please law to be overturned sooner or later. Either the SCOTUS will do it or the Alabama legislature will. Some bonehead police officer arrested a German executive of Mercedes-Benz (Mercedes has a plant near Tuscaloosa) and held him without bond or contact — as the Alabama law permits — because the man didn’t have sufficient ID on him under the statute. Subsequent review by law enforcement officials with *actual* educations revealed that the man was legally in the country and in possession of a valid German passport and ID — meaning the deputy stepped on Alabama’s collective crank.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/11/21/373334/german-mercedes-benz-executive-arrested-under-alabamas-immigration-law/
It wouldn’t surprise me if Mercedes began to reconsider any expansion plans it might have had in mind for Alabama. And I also wouldn’t be surprised if other foreign businesses started looking away from Dixieland when seeking out places to build US facilities. Maybe they’d find blue states more welcoming of their investments.
Xenophobia. It’s what’s for dinner.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/20/opinion/its-what-they-asked-for.html?_r=1
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
11:59 am
Aquagirl @ 11:52 – If that were the case, I would be riding everywhere either directly behind you, or with you. I always thought the commute out of Cobb County would have been easier in an M1-Abrams main battle tank. Heck, one of those might even make commuting from Gwinnett County bearable.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
12:00 pm
oh, no dats 20 miles over the speed limit, mon
We need new road signs—”no trucks or phatties in left-hand lane”
Simon Jester
February 22nd, 2012
12:00 pm
Let’s see: Santorum is running for Ayatollah, Romney is almost a copy of Obama & Gingrich has buddied up with the likes of Pelosi. All three are proven, BigGov anti-Personal Liberty politicians (just like Obama). Only rational vote is for Ron Paul.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:01 pm
USinUK – the fact that a man can be charged for homicide of an unborn baby pretty much settles that debate about whether or not abortion is murder/homicide/whatever…legally anyways. The question now is why can woman do it and get away with it?
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
12:02 pm
“the fact that a man can be charged for homicide of an unborn baby pretty much settles that debate about whether or not abortion is murder/homicide/whatever…”
No, it doesn’t.
ld
February 22nd, 2012
12:02 pm
Georgia gets national attention this March.
If the this state put anywhere near as much effort into educating children as it does into trying to indoctrinate them to be bible thumpers, businesses would find Georgia much more appealing.
It’s difficult to compete globally when grounded in the 19th century.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:02 pm
JHM – Shoot, I was worried about driving through Alabama last weekend to visit my sister-in-law. I just got my license renewed here, so all I have is the paper copy right now, and I just knew if I got pulled over some asshat Alabama deputy would arrest me for not having proper ID.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
12:03 pm
Peadawg -”The question now is why can woman do it and get away with it?”
Do you go through this much angst when a female co-worker goes home early because of a “heavy flow” day?
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
12:04 pm
Bruno…
Also, the ACA creates incentives for those uninsured currently to remain uninsured and to pick up a policy when needed. The penalties are far less than premiums, so what’s the point of having to pay them? Esp if the provider has to provide no matter the situation.
You would think there is a right to healthcare in this country.
They BOTH suck
February 22nd, 2012
12:05 pm
Neal Boortz within the last 10 minutes…
“If Santorum wins the nomination, I will vote for him, but it will be the last attempt of desperation”…………………
hahahahahaha
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:05 pm
“Do you go through this much angst when a female co-worker goes home early because of a “heavy flow” day?” – Are you really equating that to homicide?”
jm
February 22nd, 2012
12:06 pm
butch
“Okay, I’m convinced. We need to get one of your guys in the WH as soon as possible so that they can cut taxes low enough to pay for another ground war in the Middle East.”
???
As if I ever said anything like that.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm
Peadawg – “Are you really equating that to homicide?”
No, just pointing out that the worlds an unfair place, and some things we just have to accept and move on.
ld
February 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm
If a fetus is deemed a person, then a pregnant woman then not only would a woman that has an abortion be charged with murder but if she miscarries then, potentially, she could be charged with manslaughter—voluntary or involuntary– as well if she happens to be going about living her life rather than staying home as a homemaker.
Also, a lot of those receiving Social Security benefits want nine months back pay.
Mr_B
February 22nd, 2012
12:07 pm
“the dna strand for every human begins at fertilization…”
So does the DNA of a vast variety of other life forms. So just what make human DNA more valuable than the DNA of a chimp, a whale or a cockroach?
Could it be some quality that comes into play some time after fertilization? Like, perhaps, cognative intellegence?
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm
Pea – It really doesn’t answer the question. Cause it is still two separate things. But I realize it can be hard to grasp the concept (I’m trying to say this without any condescension in my voice, and I hope you’re able to read it that way). I was only able to figure out the differences and decide that there shouldn’t be any laws against abortion recently. I don’t agree with laws attempting to push your morals on someone else. Like I said, it took me a while to be able to grasp the concept.
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm
aq-We need new road signs—”no trucks or phatties in left-hand lane”
“Pass da truckie on da Left-hand Side”
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
12:09 pm
The question now is why can woman do it and get away with it?
Because it’s her body. I know you don’t like that answer, that seems to stick in the craw of a lot of men. Or you just can’t wrap your head around that fact.
A man sliced my throat wide open a few years ago and it was all perfectly legal since I signed papers for the surgery. That doesn’t mean you can wander up on the street and stab me without my consent.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:09 pm
“some things we just have to accept and move on.”
Ah, so we should just accept that homicide is ok for some, but not others. Got it.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
12:10 pm
“Like, perhaps, cognative intellegence?”
Not in Mr_B’s case apparently…. why don’t you recheck your spelling of “cognative”
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
12:10 pm
“the fact that a man can be charged for homicide of an unborn baby pretty much settles that debate about whether or not abortion is murder/homicide/whatever…legally anyway”
let’s see … what was that charming expression you used earlier … oh, yes, here it is … “Either you’re playing dumb…or you really are dumb. Not sure which.”
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
12:10 pm
Peadawg – “Ah, so we should just accept that homicide is ok for some, but not others. Got it.”
Pretty much, under the circumstances your describing.
jm
February 22nd, 2012
12:11 pm
You just can’t make up things like the liberals say. Truth is funnier than fiction. Ah, the stupidity.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:11 pm
“(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm”
Thanks for you’re honesty but I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around legal homicide.
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:12 pm
“Where, Roe v Wade was?”
Which was draconian itself in relation to “viability”……as science changes, so should the law.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:12 pm
Pea – Maybe this can help – If I punch myself, not the best idea, but no laws against it. If you punch me, you would be charged with battery. If I shoot myself, (hopefully) it was an accident, and the police aren’t going to do much of anything to me besides determining if I was trying to kill myself. If you shoot me, you’ll be charged with attempted murder. It all depends on who is doing what. The same actions that are perfectly legal to preform on yourself, if you preform them on someone else, they’re illegal. And considering homicide is a legal term, with a very specific definition, abortion isn’t homicide, especially considering it isn’t illegal.
SwamiDave
February 22nd, 2012
12:14 pm
Adam:
Your question “How does your argument change, knowing that the ACA actually DOES by law require that employers offer health insurance plans?” goes to the foundational argument toward the unconstitutionality of the Affordable Care Act.
It is arguable that States would not have the authority to mandate employers provide health insurance, but I expect the Supreme Court to ultimately decide that the Federal Government defintely has no such authority.
To your point, -if- one assumes that the Federal Government CAN legislate such a mandate, then rational conclusion is that they can legislate HOW it is done or its makeup. If it is decided that they do not have the authority to legislate such a mandate, it is equally rational to conclude that those who choose to provide the benefit can likewise choose what components make it up.
-SD
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:14 pm
“(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:12 pm”
I get your analogy but they don’t work when other person is involved. You can’t kill my kid and get away with it but I can? That doesn’t add up.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:15 pm
“If I shoot myself, (hopefully) it was an accident, and the police aren’t going to do much of anything”
Tell that to Plaxico Burress…….
godless heathen©
February 22nd, 2012
12:16 pm
http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/7306061.html
An 18-year-old Minnesota man is charged with murder after police say he was offered $200 to punch a pregnant woman in the stomach.
Police say the woman’s boyfriend, 22-year-old Dameon D. Gatson, offered Paul Petersen the $200
to attack his girlfriend, who was six months pregnant.
The woman collapsed after being hit several times in the stomach and delivered a girl the next day. The baby survived on life support until dying Monday. Both men are charged with first degree assault and second degree murder.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:16 pm
Pea – It isn’t another person. It is a fetus, that would be unable to survive outside it’s host (aka the mother). Scientifically speaking, which is the only way you will ever be able to comprehend or whatnot. You can’t bring morals into it and expect to “get” it.
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm
“So does the DNA of a vast variety of other life forms. So just what make human DNA more valuable than the DNA of a chimp, a whale or a cockroach?
Could it be some quality that comes into play some time after fertilization? Like, perhaps, cognative intellegence?”
It’s human in it’s simplest form………we eat the others in all forms.
By your argument, we going to start assigning human worthiness based on a set of variables?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm
md: as science changes, so should the law.
Get back to me when it has been PROVEN that life begins at conception (and no, one scientist’s assertion with no peer reviewed studies or duplicate tested experiments does not count). Even if it is the case, what does that mean? We should use government resources to make sure that women always carry to term, and that when they don’t (miscarry) that they should be investigated? Does it mean we should outlaw contraceptives that eject fertilized eggs? Does it put an unfair burden on women who are raped or due to incest? What about deciding between the life of a fetus and the life of a mother? Can you honestly answer all of THOSE questions with science?
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm
Pea – Was he charged with shooting himself or with possession of a weapon? Just going off memory here, he was charged with possession. Shooting himself was just the way the police found out about it.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:17 pm
” It isn’t another person.”
Then why is a man charged with double homicide for killing a pregnant woman, or single homicide for causing an abortion?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:18 pm
Swami: Your question “How does your argument change, knowing that the ACA actually DOES by law require that employers offer health insurance plans?” goes to the foundational argument toward the unconstitutionality of the Affordable Care Act.
No it doesn’t. The constitutional challenge has to do with requiring individuals to pay, not corporations.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:18 pm
md – You eat whales, chimps and cockroaches? YOU SICKO!
Just playing the take everything you say literally game.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Yeah, I know. I was just trying to make a funny.
Burress had a permit in Florida but New York didn’t recognize it or something like that.
Steve
February 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm
Unemployment is back up to 9%…$75 to fill up my gas tank…I am going to go with Romney in 2012.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm
(ir)ratrional – I respect a person’s right to believe, not believe in God and which God (although I believe there is only one). Let’s take God out of it. The point is, man has decarled this object, in this case a human, to be precious in one circumstance but completely disposable in another. The State takes the life of the offender in one case, but not the other. That’s highly irregular and illogical.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm
Pea – Because he did it to someone else. The someone else being the mother.
ld
February 22nd, 2012
12:20 pm
If, knowing how dangerous the roadways are, a pregnant woman drives I-85 through midtown in late December rain and fog during rush hour and miscarries because of a wreck, has she committed manslaughter?
If a pregnant woman dancing at a family social event falls and miscarries is she guilty of manslaughter?
What if that fall & miscarriage is preceded by other factors.
What if social event was held by strangers in support of gay rights?
What if she doesn’t yet know she’s pregnant and drinks at that social event prior to her fall?
What if it is a drunk at that function knocks her off her feet?
What if it is a child that knocks her off her feet?
Judgment w/ religion enacted into law is a slippery slope. Religion as government is tyranny.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:21 pm
Peadawg: Then why is a man charged with double homicide for killing a pregnant woman, or single homicide for causing an abortion?
You know, asking the same question even after it has been answered is kinda weird. I’m guessing you aren’t liking the answers you’re getting.
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm
“It isn’t another person. It is a fetus, that would be unable to survive outside it’s host (aka the mother). Scientifically speaking, which is the only way you will ever be able to comprehend or whatnot. You can’t bring morals into it and expect to “get” it.”
And as viability outside the womb increases, then what?
They are already growing body parts in the lab……and for all we know, complete bodies?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm
Steve: Unemployment is back up to 9%…
Surveys do not equal official numbers.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:22 pm
“The someone else being the mother.” – The homicide charge to the mother, yes. But the 2nd homicide charge is for also killing the unborn baby. And in the second case in Pennsylvania, the only homicide charge was for the unborn baby…the mother wasn’t killed.
“$75 to fill up my gas tank” – Get rid of your gas-guzzly dummy.
godless heathen©
February 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm
Conclusion: There are a lot of dumb laws on the books. See EPA.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:23 pm
Pea – I think you’re just not able to carry in NYC unless you have a permit with NYC and have your gun registered with the NYPD. But I don’t know for sure.
JohnnyReb – You’re the one who brought God into it. And as I just pointed out to Pea, it isn’t necessarily that you did it to the fetus, but that you did it to the mother.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm
” I’m guessing you aren’t liking the answers you’re getting.” – You’re absolutely right. Not that I don’t like them though…but b/c none of it makes sense. Why one is ok and the other not, just b/c it the woman doing it to her own kid, doesn’t make sense.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm
Pea – Once again. The defendant/accused did something to the mother. Even if she wasn’t killed, they did something to the MOTHER. If the mother does something to herself, that is a different story.
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm
Adam…..to me it comes down to mindset…….if folks would look at the fetus as a baby, maybe more would take it a bit more seriously vs using abortion as birth control…………baby steps per se.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:25 pm
It even makes it more disgusting if you ask me.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
(ir)Rational — “JHM – Shoot, I was worried about driving through Alabama last weekend to visit my sister-in-law. I just got my license renewed here, so all I have is the paper copy right now, and I just knew if I got pulled over some asshat Alabama deputy would arrest me for not having proper ID.”
My wife is US-born Hispanic, but I can see some bullethead in Outinasticks County deciding that since she didn’t have a Meskin passport on her, she needs to be locked up fer a leetle while. Hell, she almost always gets ‘randomly selected’ for secondary screening at the airport, but a friend of mine whose blonde, blue-eyed British wife *clearly* hasn’t been in the States more than a few years breezes right through.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
I can’t argue this anymore while I’m hungry. I’m going to start getting pissed and start calling people names and stuff like that, and I don’t feel like getting banned, so I’m going to lunch.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:26 pm
“If the mother does something to herself, that is a different story.” – But if the mother has an abortion, she’s not doing something to just herself. She’s doing something to the unborn child. Another person is involved.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
12:27 pm
How does your argument change, knowing that the ACA actually DOES by law require that employers offer health insurance plans?
My argument doesn’t change at all, Adam. I firmly believe that the ACA is unconstitutional and hope that the SC will apply the law fairly and declare it to be so. One of the most fundamental rights in the US is the right to be left alone. ACA violates that by requiring every citizen to participate in a for-profit industry.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm
JHM – I ALWAYS get randomly selected for secondary screening in the airport. Once, when trying to leave London, I was well on my way to being strip searched until they discovered I was a minor and wasn’t with my parents. As it was, I was down to my undershirt and pants, no shoes, socks, belt, hat, button down shirt, or jacket. And that was the 9th time I had been searched that day.
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:28 pm
“Why one is ok and the other not, just b/c it the woman doing it to her own kid, doesn’t make sense.”
And it really makes no sense if one expands the argument outside the womb…..that child still “belongs” to the mom once born, is totally dependent, yet is then murder if one decides at that point to get rid of it.
But an to an arbitrary point inside the womb it is OK?
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
12:29 pm
(ir)rational – have to disagree. The law makes murder of the fetus a felony crime even if the mother is relatively unharmed.
Those that would argue the murder of the fetus hurts the mother overlook that law makes the offense against the fetus the crime. Harm to the mother is additional offenses. If the fetus is looked upon solely as value to the mother, the offense would be a civil matter, not criminal. So, we are back to my original statement, that being, a law of man has declared the fetus precious in some circumstances yet disposable in others.
ld
February 22nd, 2012
12:30 pm
Clearly the Dems need to get more of today’s youth to register and vote–
most will likely prefer to protect all aspects of their freedom–specifically sexual freedom– too much to vote for any of the GOP frontrunners.
This applies to guys as well as females–think child support.
(ir)Rational
February 22nd, 2012
12:30 pm
Pea – She is doing something to herself. Scientifically at least. And that is what matters, in this case the law follows the science. When a third party becomes involved, it becomes about doing something to the mother and the law is completely different regarding that. Especially because the law takes a dim view on you choosing doing something, versus someone else taking away your ability to choose to do that same thing. Now I’m really off to lunch.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:31 pm
md: if folks would look at the fetus as a baby, maybe more would take it a bit more seriously vs using abortion as birth control
The belief that this is a major reason for abortions is not only factually incorrect, but exactly the problem.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
12:32 pm
(ir)Rational — “I ALWAYS get randomly selected for secondary screening in the airport.”
Clearly, you look dangerous.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:33 pm
Bruno: ACA violates that by requiring every citizen to participate in a for-profit industry.
Absent that single provision, is the rest of the law also unconstitutional?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:34 pm
Looks like Bob McDonnell is backing down, possibly, from his commitment to sign the ultrasound bill.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
12:37 pm
if the mother has an abortion, she’s not doing something to just herself. She’s doing something to the unborn child. Another person is involved.
Let’s try this again: that fetus is dependent on her body. She has the right to deny it the use of her body, just like you have the right to legally deny anyone the use of your kidneys, blood, or other body parts.
I’ll issue you the same challenge that went unanswered on Kyle’s blog: let’s pass a law that you have no legal control over your organs if someone else needs them to live. Do you need to work and support your family? Tough, that cute little six-year old needs your bone marrow and she’ll die without it. Get your @$$ to the hospital, pronto. You don’t have a legal right to say no.
I’m betting men won’t show much enthusiasm for the sanctity of life when it’s THEIR bodies.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
12:39 pm
“She is doing something to herself.” – Dude no she’s not. She doing something to another person, her unborn baby.
Bruno
February 22nd, 2012
12:39 pm
Because that is how insurance works. The “pool” of payers is large enough that the cost PER payer is lower than it would be if each individual had to negotiate and buy their own policy.
Doggone–Once again, you’re misunderstanding the purpose of insurance. Insurance is a vehicle to offset risk–i.e. the risk of unforeseen, potentially catastrophic events. As such, routine costs are not insurable. Obviously the state can mandate that routine costs such as birth control be forcibly included in policies, and most certainly that does spread the routine costs around, but it still isn’t insurance. The bottom line is that liberals pine for a society in which all costs are shared. Which I understand, and oppose. For those who value that as a goal, using third party for-profit companies to carry out that goal is just plain stupid.
williebkind
February 22nd, 2012
12:39 pm
Liberals sure are funny! They rather be betrayed as intelligent but the humor wins out.
williebkind
February 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
12:37 pm
There is a saying you should know:
They profess to be wise thus became fools.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm
Bruno: As such, routine costs are not insurable.
And yet, before being mandated to, insurance companies started covering such things.
GT
February 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm
The Civil War was fought under the same prospect of emotion trumping reality. The south left under its own independence would be an English speaking Mexico. We would have been the illegal immigrates trying to sneak into a better life of the north and deportation to the south would be the political plank of the Republican Party if there was one. Lincoln would still have been alive to lose the next election, since his assassin had no motive to kill him and that may have been the death of the party right there. Our isolationist thinking has impoverish this state so long it has even sunk into the well educated southern citizens that this is a fact of life that there is no other way of life but stupidity. Angry of a perceived enemy like Satin is short circuiting common sense. If by some miracle Georgia went blue, the whole state would feel the yoke lifted off its body,lets pray that happens for the good of this state and the nation who could use the south in its true American form not the paranoid shadow we have now.
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm
“The belief that this is a major reason for abortions is not only factually incorrect, but exactly the problem.”
Oh give me a break Adam………my entire circle of friends used abortion about as often as we used drugs……..it’s about convenience and selfishness for plenty of folks.
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:44 pm
“According to a study published in Family Planning Perspectives: 3% of women abort because of concerns that there is something wrong with the fetus; 3% of women abort because of concerns for their own health, and 1% abort because they are pregnant through rape or incest. That totals 7%, leaving 93% of abortions being done for birth control, by this rather loose concept of what constitutes an “abortion for birth control.”
The reasons the women give most often (woman is unready for responsibility; woman can’t afford a baby right now) do seem like birth control reasons. The vague, “woman is concerned about how having a baby could change her life,” likewise sounds like a birth control reason. The data do support the contention that most abortions are for reasons of birth control. “
williebkind
February 22nd, 2012
12:45 pm
GT
February 22nd, 2012
12:41 pm
You are a transplant right? You are not born in the south or ga right? If you are, then I am for abortion.
philosopher
February 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
Men sitting around opining about abortion is purely asinine… and arrogant. Until men stop raping women and leaving women whom they have impregnated for more exciting, new women…until men can carry a fetus to term and raise it- not Dave and Buster’s and Little League Saturdays, but for years, sitting up all night with a sick and fussy baby, then going to work full time and still helping with homework, bathing, dressing, teaching at the end of the day, they should just shut the heck up. Or talk about it if it makes them happy, but never, never expect the right to make laws about it! Stay out of other people’s business,…if abortion matters to you, work closely with the person you love and be involved so that she doesn’t feel the need to get an abortion. But take away effective birth control, outlaw abortions, and shirk your duties in the support of the children brought to term and you have no place in the discussion!
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
Adam -“The belief that this is a major reason for abortions is not only factually incorrect, but exactly the problem.”
What a crock..
williebkind
February 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm
md
February 22nd, 2012
12:44 pm
Excellent, keep pointing out those facts the lame stream liberal media will not do.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
Well then, I must have misread a study, or read the wrong study. The one I read many months ago said abortions were mostly due to other reasons. Guess I was wrong.
I guess that means I must now become anti-choice, eh?
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm
The ONLY reason some determine a fetus as something other than a human life is to make terminating it guilt free…it’s not like having a mole removed, to argue otherwise is silly and deeply dishonest
williebkind
February 22nd, 2012
1:01 pm
philosopher
February 22nd, 2012
12:54 pm
You sound so pure! Except win it becomes a law and the agenda for wackos it gets taught to my kids that it is ok to have an abortion. That is not what I want.
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
1:07 pm
I do find it interesting that the left exhibits much more outrage over Mitt strapping the dog carrier to the roof of a station wagon then the killing of innocents
md
February 22nd, 2012
1:15 pm
“I guess that means I must now become anti-choice, eh?”
Maybe just google….then post.
Steve
February 22nd, 2012
1:34 pm
This has got to stop…
“Talk about pain at the pump! Some Florida drivers are spending nearly $6 a gallon to fill up their gas tanks.”
We’ve got to get someone else leading this country who has a better understanding of foreign policy.
philosopher
February 22nd, 2012
1:37 pm
williebkind: well, you just go ahead and tell your little darlings to abstain…and watch children bring babies into the world….good luck with that one Gramps! Neither kind, nor responsible, nor smart..
GT
February 22nd, 2012
1:49 pm
Williebekin southern multiple generations, even Atlanta multiple.
The abortion idea is interesting. There was a study done not long back that showed crime, had dropped. And not because of the through on crime politicians as at first blush was given the credit, but the reason was the Roe vs Wade case that legalized abortion. After 18 years of legalized abortions that was a significant drop in the criminal activity as this would be population showed up to adulthood minus the aborted. No reason to go out and get an abortion but a little know fact I thought was interesting.
Trolls Bane
February 22nd, 2012
2:14 pm
1. Since it is now possible to “concieve” a child with out sex, through artifical means and since sex is ONLY for procreation, we should outlaw all sex acts of any kind whatsoever.
2. Before being allowed to get pregnant, the woman must be a – married, b – well educated, c – confirmed religions, d – not a ward of the state ( on welfare)
Seriously, I can see that one of the outcomes of this election cycle with either be the creation of a new party, made up of moderate fiscally conservative / socially progressive republicans & democrats or the more moderate / progessive elements of the republican party will move over to the democrat party and serve as a balance to the more liberal elements of the democrat party
ld
February 22nd, 2012
2:39 pm
Given the long GOP rush to the religious right-wing-nut status,
and especially if Santorum wins the GOP nomination, then
the Dems tact for winning the general election should be
fight for INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY.
who but a liar and a fool would not acknowledge that he/she is for individual liberty for themselves and their children?
Bernie
February 22nd, 2012
2:49 pm
Rick, surely will consult with the Father Of Lies on that one. He has followed in similar footsteps with the many he has told on our President already.
Orion
February 22nd, 2012
2:58 pm
“according to a poll released Tuesday by Fox 5 Atlanta, the race has become a three-way tie, with Gingrich (26 percent), Romney (24 percent) and Santorum (23 percent) all within the margin of error.”
Let’s do the Math. 26 + 24 = 50 + 23 = 73. So we have 73 percent. What is left is now 27% of the vote. Now unless I’m missing something that would mean that Ron Paul hold 27 percent of the vote which would indicate that it’s actually a four-way tie. That is unless in this poll ‘undecided’ was a choice. Quite personally, if you don’t know who you are voting for by now then chances are you will not go out to vote on March 6th in Georgia. Anyways, I was just pulling up the math and questioning the nature of the 27 percent.
ld
February 22nd, 2012
3:03 pm
The GOP is made of a coalition of three factions:
1. The actual controlling leadership is the moneyed investor employer class-folk who,without passionate causes to lure other voters to the polls willing to vote contrary to their own best economic self interest, could not get enough people to vote them into office; and two of the most passionate single-issue voter groups on the planet,
2. Pro-military, freedom lovin’, gun totin’ patriots, and
3. Religious zealots.
Stroking group two was both easy and profitable–much money has been made via the military industrial congressional complex.
To gain the votes of group three, however, group one had reexamine their libertarian leanings and choose to have the power to have freedom for them on the issue of money (See: How the GOP Became the Party of the Rich–November Rolling Stone article) the moneyed investor employer class of the GOP yielded their platform on social issues–knowing full well that they can afford to live or travel wherever they want or need to enjoy those freedoms the religious right-wing-nuts would deny the rest.
Since this third group flourished in the old south where bigotry still simmers, and notwithstanding that groups purported philosophical requirement to judge not that ye be not judged, racial fearmongering thinly disguised as class warfare seems to be an easy sell….
….. and since this third group are self-described as “followers”, blaming that class warfare on anyone not joining their (un) ‘holy’ cause seems to be as easy a sell as repetition–like a soda pop commercial–
especially coinciding with the rise of the mega churches that preach God wants you to be successful rather than emphasizing
judge not that ye be not judged
first tenths to the poor
turn the other cheek
and my favorite
everyone has “free will”– as in individual liberty.
Bernie
February 22nd, 2012
3:12 pm
Seems to me with Rick’s recent prayers at the alter of the Father Of Lies has worked well for him. The people of Georgia has a well doucmented record of praise at that same alter, so they should be one with each other.
dustin
February 23rd, 2012
10:04 am
Santorum is the best canidate by far to beat Obama, as Obama is Muslim and very against the second amendment, this will come to haunt Obama because it will be brought up…… Santorum is going to Win Michigan which should carry over to the win in Georgia and I believe its going to translate into him being the republican nominee which is more then fine by me.
Don'tDumpDownOnME
February 23rd, 2012
12:06 pm
Ron Paul defeats Newt Gingrich, wins Georgia straw poll
http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/2012/02/18/ron-paul-defeats-newt-gingrich-wins-georgia-straw-poll/
Gwinnet:
Paul: 115 votes
Gingrich: 73
Santorum: 60 votes.
Romney: 25 votes.
DeKalb County Straw poll results: Santorum 13, Romney 25, Gingrich 25, Paul 105!!!!!
You cannot ignore these numbers. Those are what count in the delegate process.