How Rick Santorum could win Georgia
Who will win Georgia’s GOP primary on March 6?
I don’t know, and if you’re looking to the polls for answers, you’re probably looking in the wrong place. At this point, they can reveal trends but they cannot predict outcomes.
So let me go ahead and offer two possibly foolish observations:
1.) The stars may be aligning to make Georgia a pivotal state in the nominating process, and to make Rick Santorum the prime beneficiary.
2.) Newt Gingrich, on the other hand, could see his political career end right here, in the state where it began.
First, why aren’t the polls much help in predicting the outcome? Because this race has been all about momentum, and Big Mo could shift decisively before Georgia voters go to the polls.
For proof, look at how swiftly the numbers have moved in just the past two weeks. In a Mason Dixon poll conducted Feb. 6-8 for the AJC and other Georgia newspapers, Gingrich drew 43 percent of likely Republican voters, Mitt Romney 29 percent and Santorum just 12 percent.
But according to a poll released Tuesday by Fox 5 Atlanta, the race has become a three-way tie, with Gingrich (26 percent), Romney (24 percent) and Santorum (23 percent) all within the margin of error. That apparent doubling of support for Santorum — largely at Gingrich’s expense — was not driven by ad buys but by momentum and infectious enthusiasm. It’s particularly notable given that just two months ago, Santorum was polling at 2 percent in this state.
Now let’s look ahead. Michigan and Arizona voters go to the polls Feb. 28, one week before Georgia. Santorum is leading in most Michigan polls, even though it’s Romney’s native state. He is also surprisingly close in Arizona, within the margin of error in at least one poll. Gingrich, on the other hand, is a distant third in Arizona and isn’t even competing in Michigan.
Should Santorum beat Romney in Michigan, or even finish strongly in both Michigan and Arizona, it would spell big trouble for Romney and be downright devastating to Gingrich. As Rupert Murdoch tweeted recently about Santorum, “Win Michigan and it’s over.” The publicity and enthusiasm generated for Santorum would probably be enough to sweep the former senator to victory here in Georgia a week later. It might also condemn Gingrich to a third-place finish in a state that he has to win to remain credible.
It’s important to note just how primed the state’s Republican electorate is for a Santorum candidacy. We saw flesh-and-blood evidence of that at a Santorum appearance Sunday night in Cumming, where a supportive crowd of more than 3,000 people turned out to hear him speak.
Santorum’s personal and political history, particularly his views on abortion and other social issues, have made him a favorite of evangelical voters nationwide. And in the AJC’s February poll, 72 percent of white Georgians who said they were likely to vote in the GOP primary described themselves as either evangelical or born-again.
Here’s another indication: In a December AJC poll, 49 percent of registered Georgia voters said that a fetus should have the legal standing of a person “at the instant the fetus is conceived.” Just 35 percent took a less absolutist stance.
No partisan breakdowns are available on that question, but if 49 percent of Georgia voters believe that life begins at the instant of conception, that percentage must be considerably higher among Republicans. And among that kind of electorate, Santorum has the potential to do very well.
Unlike Romney, Santorum can and does speak with honest conviction on such issues, and people respond to it. And while Gingrich speaks with equal conviction, people also understand that his greatest political attribute is his ability to believe sincerely in whatever just flew out of his mouth. In terms of honesty and clarity of message, Santorum wins hands down.
In a general election, however, history suggests that Santorum would not be a formidable candidate. If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue. The question is, how many Georgia Republicans are even thinking in those terms?
The answer comes March 6.
– Jay Bookman
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WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 am
Great article, it’s interesting how Democrats truly don’t believe this… Scary…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46479059
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Fred ™:
You claimed yourself that Boortz is talking about high gas prices being Obama’s fault.. You must have him tuned in if you know this????
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity?”
Sun Tzu said it would be a good idea
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“It’s a wonder more businesses aren’t run/lead by IT guys…”
GAH … worked for a company that was run by its CFO for a while … talk about a HUGE mistake! nearly brought down the company.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“Your free to think whoever you want no matter how misguided that may be…”
Ummm…have you looked in a mirror lately?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
GS: My original post said nearly all.
Never mentioned “most” until you chose that word.
The two terms are basically the same. Nearly all means most of them. Unless you’re trying to say by “nearly all” you meant environmentalism
Seriously, ok, since you want to mince words, please provide some sort of evidence, non-anecdotal, that birth control is provided for free in bags at ANY college campus clinics. Because it just is NOT. And no, condoms do not equal birth control.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
No that is not my posiition. Thanks atleast for putting a ? at the end of the sentance so it looks like a question instead of just attributing something to me as if I said it.
That is the main group of focus yes to me because that is the group in which the epidemic is most rampant.
Again there are many (adam that was for you as many could mean any more than 3 right?) free clinics that will provide free birth control. However they usually do require an STD test each month. i think it helps with funding as it is also an STD preventative.
So to answer your question I am not only concerned with one group. But I bet you wish i was would make the debating easier for you huh?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
Recon — “Joe, it tells me that you may be engaging in wishful thinking as well. Bush and Obama aren’t competing for the presidency, so Obama must run on his record as a sitting president and because of the conditions I pointed out in my post he has vulnerabilities. Sorry but facts are facts.”
Thanks for the polite response, but as usual, my point flew right over your head. If Obama’s approval rating is important, as you clearly suggested, then it’s informative to compare his rating to the ratings of recent Presidents at this point in their reelection campaigns.
Nowhere did I say that Bush and Obama were competing, merely that Obama’a approval ratings are stronger than Bush’s were at this point in his reelection. There’s no wishful thinking going on here, just a dispassionate comparison that I’m pretty sure you’re afraid to face up to.
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
St Simons – we’re on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Well said…and I agree…know your enemy…
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
When I talk to Republicans and Democrats abortion is almost last on the list of important issues. Nobody cares. Take a look at every poll and it’s very clear what is important to Americans. Abortion is a controversial issue but almost nobody votes for a president based on their beliefs on abortion. Democrats continue to lie about this, so pathetic. My generation could really care less about abortion.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
from mike’s article:
“That’s been brought on by tighter lending practices enacted after the financial crisis, which was triggered in large part by easy credit standards.”
hrm. which is worse … the worst recession EVER brought on by laissez faire baking practices or regulating them to prevent another credit crisis …
I know which I’d choose.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Democrats, read this and learn…
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46479059
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Lets talk about Obama’s war on old people… Obamacare cuts 500 million from medicare and now he wants more in his new budget….
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204880404577225493025537660.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
Steve — “Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?”
One needs to know their enemies, don’t you think?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:14 am
“Democrats continue to lie about this, so pathetic. My generation could really care less about abortion.”
yep.
spoken like someone without a uterus.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
Erwin: It’s a wonder more businesses aren’t run/lead by IT guys…
Some are, and they do well. Some are, and they don’t do well. Whether someone is an IT guy or not has nothing to do with it. Kinda like that whole “a community organizer doesn’t know how to fight terrorism” thing.
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:13 am
I disagree,
Republicans use abortion to fend focus away from the the things they don’t want to talk about…like jobs. It’s not the Democrats who are lying.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
@US in UK
And I assume you think that easy lending practices were created by Republicans? Correct? LOL!!
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:15 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Fred ™:
You claimed yourself that Boortz is talking about high gas prices being Obama’s fault.. You must have him tuned in if you know this????
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Well my aren’t YOU the clever one. You figured that all out by yourself did you? Good boy.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
49.5% of Americans now pay no taxes!!!! That Obama economy is really pulling the poor up to the middle class…. LOL….
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
St Simons – we’re on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
“Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity?”
Sun Tzu said it would be a good idea
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LOL you just sent THAT ONE way over their heads. I read the James Clavell translation years ago. Then someone stole it……….
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
G$ — “Yep, There is enough regulation that the oil companies are pretty much subserviant to the request of the govenment any way.”
So you’re in favor of socializing the US petroleum industry then. Okay. Thanks for clearing that up.
Any other industries we should socialize — in your opinion — while we’re at it?
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
But unemployment stimlates the economy…. Now thats something I would have never thought of…
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/valerie-jarrett-people-who-receive-unemployment-check-go-out-and-spend-it-and-help-stimulate-economy_631716.html
Morrus
February 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
J, please do a post about the desire of the Southern Baptist Convention to change its name. The subject is rife with bad branding….and WHY? because of what it says about SOUTHERN.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:17 am
@US in UK
Once again, abortion is something nobody cares about. Why hasn’t there been any attempt to outlaw abortion by the GOP? All you old people worry about abortion, the new generations could care less about it. Abortion is such a tired issue. Yeah, Republicans of course play the card to get votes, just like Democrats lie to the poor and minorities to gain votes…
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:18 am
spoken like someone without a uterus.
LOL. Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion. Imagine that.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
St. Simons – “Sun Tzu said it would be a good idea”
Good point. I wonder how many of the die hard Right Wing faithful on here have even heard of “The Art of War” let alone read it.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
“And I assume you think that easy lending practices were created by Republicans? Correct? LOL!!”
you obviously know nothing about me.
1) the majority of sub-prime loans were made by non-bank lending institutions (and, therefore, not under the same regulations)
2) because banks could offload the risk, they, in turn, CHOSE to ignore prudential lending practices
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Why hasn’t there been any attempt to outlaw abortion by the GOP?
Uhhhhh….. been under a rock lately?
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
“49.5% of Americans now pay no taxes!!!!”
I think you left out a word there, sport. That’s not what your article says.
Mr. Snarky
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Santorum scares me not because I think he could win on the merits, but that some disaster could strike Obama and cause him to win in some freak event. Just the possibility that such a person could be President and the disaster it would portend for the US and the world gives me real pause.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:18 am
spoken like someone without a uterus.
LOL. Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion. Imagine that.
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I dunno why anyone would talk to him at all………. I sure as hell won’t anymore.
BTW Which one of our mystery meats is Doomy?
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Fred ™:
Interpretation of liberal though is about as exciting as watching paint dry…. And so easy to do… It’s not hard really because you all think the same… Good troll… Now watch what you say next time so you won’t get zapped….
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Adam,
If Government forces a private industry to provide or face penality it is a take-over. I do not need videos or google to figure this one out.
Billings
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Obama and the dems won’t touch your SS, they’ll just clean out your retirement account with their stupid redistribution dream.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204880404577225493025537660.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
“Why hasn’t there been any attempt to outlaw abortion by the GOP? ”
because they are eating the elephant one bite at a time and putting up ever regulation, every restriction, every delay tactic known to man.
and, yes. it DOES matter. maybe not to you, but to millions of women around the country (and, indeed, the world)
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Aquagirl – “Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion.”
I’d hazard a guess that they don’t really talk to him at all, and the ones who do immediately regret the decision.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Aquagirl — “LOL. Woman aren’t talking to Woodstock Mike about abortion. Imagine that.”
One wonders if women talk to Mike about much of anything.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
Aqua – 10:18 – some people choose celibacy
for others, celibacy chooses them
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:21 am
Peadawg – Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch:
all… Thanks for the correction… Your so smart…
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:16 am
49.5% of Americans now pay no taxes!!!! That Obama economy is really pulling the poor up to the middle class…. LOL….
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/02/19/chart-of-the-week-nearly-half-of-all-americans-dont-pay-income-taxes/
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This is from the same dumd assed foundation that claims Hong Kong is a sovereign nation and I’m supposed to believe them? Do I look dumb enough to be a Republican?
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Woodstock Mike
“When I talk to Republicans and Democrats abortion is almost last on the list of important issues. Nobody cares. Take a look at every poll and it’s very clear what is important to Americans. Abortion is a controversial issue but almost nobody votes for a president based on their beliefs on abortion. ”
That reinforces my opinion Santorum doesn’t have a grasp of the issues important to most voters, can’t articulate it, and if he were to become president, he’d concentrate on his pet issues, not upon what the country needs.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Put it this way, I’m a Republican and I could care less about abortion. If a woman wants an abortion I’m fine with it. Most Republicans are this way. Of course you have the old school Republicans that are hard liners against abortion. But my point is simple, look at what is important to voters, abortion is on the bottom of the list. Talking about it is a waste of time. It will always be legal. Who cares.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
10:22 am
Acer706 – 9:40
I’m well aware your intellectual “element” here is beneath me. I just try to post so even you can understand what I’m saying.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Acer: If Government forces a private industry to provide or face penality it is a take-over.
Well, in that case, government has ALWAYS had control of health care. I mean, if that’s your standard.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:12 am
This is what I wrote the first thing about BC, hell you be the judge
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
“Don’t forget you can also get them for free if you are a college student as nearly all of teh campus clinics give them out in bags, for free.
Many free clinics will offer free condoms as well. Hell the small town in GA I went to college in even gave girls over18 (under 18 parental permission) free birth control as long as the girls also got an STD test each month when returning.”
Adam, that is what I posted 1st and what you have commented on since.
Never says a word about birth control being offered at colleges. Just condoms, see the sentence that starts with ….Many Free Clinics….. notice how it says condoms “as well”, then it goes on to add the birth control portion, hell that makes it 2 separate topics don’t it.
And I showed that colleges and universities do give away free condoms, so I’m not sure what your problem is now, seems you just want to argue. If that’s the case I can do that if you want to.
No need to apologize, it is your kind of behavior I expect when participating in this blog any more.
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
10:23 am
Once again, if a woman has a natural miscarriage is God guilty of abortion?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:19 am
Fred ™:
Interpretation of liberal though is about as exciting as watching paint dry…. And so easy to do… It’s not hard really because you all think the same… Good troll… Now watch what you say next time so you won’t get zapped….
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Oh my. I’m being threatened. Cyber bullied as it were. I’ am SO scared…………… Gonna flash me in your speedo big boy?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE – ” Talking about it is a waste of time. It will always be legal. Who cares.”
Apparently Fox News does. Liz Cheney filled in for Hannity last week, and almost the entire show was dedicated to it and how Obama was going to ruin peoples lives with it.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
So. What’s happening. Are Republicans rallying around their latest chosen one. The one chosen for them by Friess, Santorum’s sugar daddy.
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
Dear Butch @ 9:35, good morning, a lemming is one who believes the “stimulus” worked, or alternatively believes it was not a money laundering operation, shifting taxpayer funds to those who contributed to the 2008 campaign of The One Whom We Awaited.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
February 22nd, 2012
10:24 am
@US in UK
Waiting for you to answer. Do you believe easy lending practices were created by Republicans? Because is you answer yes please do some very simple research and enlighten yourself.
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:25 am
Gas prices may soon be going sky high and be the least of our worries:
“A top U.N. nuclear official says his team could “could not find a way forward” in attempts to persuade Iran to talk about suspected secret work on atomic arms.”
Now the world’s eyes will turn toward Israel to see how long they will allow the clock to tick before doing something…………….
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
It took him three years to wake up and smell the coffee, but Chauncey is finally on to a program that could work:
Obama administration to unveil corporate tax reform plan to lower top rate to 28 percent, lose loopholes
foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/21/obama-administration-to-unveil-corporate-tax-reform-plan/?test=latestnews
Mick
February 22nd, 2012
10:27 am
ragnar
Anyone who would prefer hugo chavez over obama, even in jest, must be a resident of moronica…
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
GS: If you weren’t talking about BC what WERE you talking abut? Pamphlets?
Here it is again, so even YOU understand it:
Don’t forget you can also get them for free if you are a college student as nearly all of teh campus clinics give them out in bags, for free.
Many free clinics will offer free condoms as well.
The “as well” means you are talking about something OTHER than condoms in your first sentence. Considering you replied to someone who was talking about contraception, you must have also been talking about contraception.
So, WHAT were you talking about, if not that? What is the “them” that “campus clinics” give out for free, since you have excluded condoms as being the “them” you were talking about by your own words?
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Fred 10:06 – my favs in order
Crabdaddy’s
CrabTrap
Southern Soul Barbecue (if u like that, its world famous)
King & Prince
Iguana’s (newer & hip, I have no idea)
Gnat’s Landing
Dairy Queen (it gets hot, mon)
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Thank you.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
To those who replied on my comparison of stopping oil drilling versus an airliner crashing, I have 32 years experience in big time aviation so I know how the system works.
Airliners are not grounded after a crash unless there is clear evidence of equipment failure. Stopping issuing permits after the Gulf spill was pure political since they had no idea of exactly what caused the problem.
As to Adam’s claim of little impact, I suppose the numerour reports and interviews in the news of deep water rigs being sent to other waters because of no permits, and oil company owners stating how it was affecting their business, was only on Fox and was pure BS.
As Ronnie stated, the problem with the Left is they know so much that is not true.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
Adam,
If Government forces a private industry to provide or face penality it is a take-over. I do not need videos or google to figure this one out.
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So Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to provide a safe work environment?
Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to pay time and a half for overtime?
Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to pay a minimum wage?
Gov’t took over when they “forced private industry” to quit hiring and exploiting children?
Can you clarify please? Or maybe you just were spouting some talking points you didn;t really understand……….
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
ragnar – “Dear Butch @ 9:35, good morning, a lemming is one who believes the “stimulus” worked, or alternatively believes it was not a money laundering operation, shifting taxpayer funds to those who contributed to the 2008 campaign of The One Whom We Awaited.”
Okay, no argument with that. I consider anyone who only votes party to be a lemming regardless if they’re Left or Right.
My one true regret is that Ron Paul has not surged enough to win the embrace of the party faithful. If he had, I would have enjoyed the overwhelming shift in loyalty that would automatically drift toward him had he been on top for a couple weeks.
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
Now if he just had the brains to repeal ObamaCare’s higher per/employee fees for corporations and rein in the loopy and wholly uncontrolled “Consumer Protection Agency” the economy would start to recover as if conservatives were running it.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:29 am
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:05 am
“free clinics providing BC pills for free.”
“spoken by a person who has evidently NEVER gone to a clinic.
you must be one of the same numpties who thinks that people are getting rich on unemployment checks, too”
This typed by a person who does not live here so i doubt seriously if you have been in too many Free clinics in America lately either.
Me I have never went to a clinic to get birth control for myself. The clinic in that town did not provide any type of BC for men, so I was sol.
But I have went a time or two or 20 with my wife before and after we were married for her to get BC.
I did go to the clinic in college bi-monthly though to get tested, it was college and I was not the most monogamous before I got serious with the wifey.
Why would you think I have never been to the clinic?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:29 am
ragnar: It took him three years to wake up and smell the coffee, but Chauncey is finally on to a program that could work:
Obama administration to unveil corporate tax reform plan to lower top rate to 28 percent, lose loopholes
I’m starting a betting pool for names of the first House Republican to come out against it.
Normal
February 22nd, 2012
10:30 am
It’s been fun reading all y’alls posts but I have to go. Google Santorum and read the very first hit. It’s my opinion of the man to the tee.
‘Bye, y’all…
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
“If a woman wants an abortion I’m fine with it. Most Republicans are this way. ”
Then why do you Republicans keep introducing new legislature at every turn regarding abortions?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:31 am
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
To those who replied on my comparison of stopping oil drilling versus an airliner crashing, I have 32 years experience in big time aviation so I know how the system works.
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Great, now we have a Delta baggage handler (or sky cap) trying to make national policy. I feel SO much better now……..
Oscar
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Santorum says that contraception is always wrong. And people intend to vote for him. Seriously?
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Dear Butch @ 10:28, my contempt for the spenders – republican or democrat – is equal to yours. I am not blind to the fact that Santorum is Bush redux. My problem with Paul is his unwillingness to defend free trade and America’s interests outside our borders. I do think we have interests in the Middle East, for example.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:32 am
Adam – “I’m starting a betting pool for names of the first House Republican to come out against it.”
They won’t come out against it, merely spin it as “pandering” in order to get re-elected. Kind of like running a campaign of repealing Obamacare on day one, or promising $2.50 a gallon for gas when neither is realistically possible.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
JohnnyReb — “Airliners are not grounded after a crash unless there is clear evidence of equipment failure. Stopping issuing permits after the Gulf spill was pure political since they had no idea of exactly what caused the problem.”
Bad comparison.
Halting permit issuance would be more like halting further construction of a given aircraft model. For example, if a 737-800 went down for some unknown reason, halting further production of 737-800s would be much more similar to halting drilling permit issuance. Halting further flights of 737-800s would be more similar to halting further drilling on *already permitted* operations.
TaxPayer
February 22nd, 2012
10:33 am
I see JohnnyReb starts by proclaiming his expertise in the mile high club or whatever and then proceeds to tell us everything he knows about oil rigs.
Are you guys always this funny.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
Fred – I very much respect the ramp guys and skycaps, they are part of a great team. But no, I was in Aircraft Maintenance. And no, I did not keep the floors and potties clean.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
JohnnyReb: I suppose the numerour reports and interviews in the news of deep water rigs being sent to other waters because of no permits, and oil company owners stating how it was affecting their business, was only on Fox and was pure BS.
Actually yes, it IS BS. Especially if there were “numerous” reports of this. Exactly 2 rigs from a single company that had ALREADY finished up what they were doing and were ready to seek new permits moved to other waters, out of hundreds of rigs from numerous other companies. What country did that one company go to?
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Did you think Brazil? WRONG. Look it up. And if you thought Brazil you’ve been brainwashed because that was Glenn Beck’s BS – that all the oil rigs would move to Brazil to help enrich Soros’ oil buddies there. Well, that didn’t happen.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:34 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:28 am
“them” is condoms
And since a condom is a form of contraception it follows what was being said in the earlier post.
the as well part…
How about this,
I get them at Kroger really cheap. Wal-Mart has batteries really cheap as well. Wal-Mart even has the charger for the re-chargable batteries…
would you know what i meant then?????
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
I dunno why anyone would talk to him at all………. I sure as hell won’t anymore.
But Fred….how are you going to know what EVERYONE is talking about if you’re not listening to Mike?
md
February 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
From Billings’ link……but the lemmings won’t know it until after they screw themselves:
“Who would get hurt? IRS data show that retirees and near-retirees who depend on dividend income would be hit especially hard. Almost three of four dividend payments go to those over the age of 55, and more than half go to those older than 65, according to IRS data. “
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:35 am
“Once again, if a woman has a natural miscarriage is God guilty of abortion?”
Well, according to one person who did (or still does) post here…there’s no such thing as “spontaneous abortion” – which is what a miscarriage IS.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
Joe Mama – no wonder you have no problem with abortion. You think halting production of a machine is more important than protecting peoples lives.
Why pray tell can the Left not connect the dots?
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
@Aquagirl: I reckon I’ll just have to remain blissfully ignorant lol.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
There is no point in disrespecting JohnnyReb’s job. Just FYI.
Still, the airline industry and oil industry are not the same industry with the same impact so a comparison of that type doesn’t work.
Midori
February 22nd, 2012
10:37 am
BTW Which one of our mystery meats is Doomy?
my money’s on Joseph
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
GS: After more carefully reading your post, I concede you were talking about condoms. I do not dispute this point.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
TaxPayer – I never claimed expertise on oil drilling. However, anyone with two grey cells to rub together should be able to see an accurate comparison. Continued defense of Obama’s actions as anything other than political are futile.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:38 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:36 am
There is no point in disrespecting JohnnyReb’s job. Just FYI.
Still, the airline industry and oil industry are not the same industry with the same impact so a comparison of that type doesn’t work.
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God I hate that mis used word “disrespect.”
Besides, who “disrespected” his job? I merely guessed at what it might have been……..
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:39 am
Midori: If you read down further, you’ll see that’s where my money is as well
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
Adam,
Simple question
Are condoms a form of birth control (contraception).
They are 98% effective.
So even without you twisting every word for its end meaning,
condoms are contraception, which makes everything i said work, no?
Unless now condoms aren’t contraception
Nope
February 22nd, 2012
10:40 am
The Stock Market has increased 63% since President Obama took office. Corporate profits are at record highs. We are no longer bleeding money all over Iraq. President Obama wants to lower the current corporate tax rate while implementing taxes on the money the ultra-rich and corporations hide overseas. But no matter what this President does, the far right will continue to lie about his successes.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
GS: With regard to the larger debate of whether or not contraception should be covered, are Bishops referring to condoms when they say this? Or just pill/ring/hormone methods?
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:42 am
I never claimed expertise on oil drilling. However, anyone with two grey cells to rub together should be able to see an accurate comparison
Why, yes, oil drilling is JUST like the airline industry.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
Here’s a partial list of those in the White House Blues concert. It’s supposed to air on PBS on Feb 27.
Troy “Trombone Shorty” Andrews, Jeff Beck, Derek Trucks, Gary Clark Jr., B.B. King, Buddy Guy, Warren Haynes, Shemekia Copeland, Susan Tedeschi and Keb Mo and Mick Jagger.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:43 am
The Stock Market has increased 63% since President Obama took office.
To me, this argument is like trying to say Obama is responsible for raising gas prices by pointing out where gas prices were at the exact moment he took office and blaming him for the rise afterward.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:44 am
Mike – “Do you believe easy lending practices were created by Republicans?”
as I said – “easy lending practices” weren’t CREATED by Dems OR Republicans -
go back and reread my response to you
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 22nd, 2012
10:45 am
-Santorum: Satan Comments in 2008 ‘Not Relevant’ Today-
http://news.yahoo.com/santorum-satan-comments-2008-not-relevant-today-232700385.html
YES, please GA vote for this guy
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
10:46 am
I see no one but Adam, who had a go-away reply, has answered by question on how it is when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:41 am
I’m not catholic but will do my best to answer.
As far as I can tell the Pope made it Ok for followers to use condoms. He made it more of an issue of condom use being permissable to stop the spread of infection.
Thus opening a doorway for their use without it being considered a sin.
Again i am not catholic so may not be right for me to speak upon.
I do think all women should have access to BC but also that the government should never force anyone to pay for BC if oppossed to it, just as the Gov. should never be able to tell someone they cannot pay for someone BC
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
JohnnyReb — “Joe Mama – no wonder you have no problem with abortion. You think halting production of a machine is more important than protecting peoples lives. Why pray tell can the Left not connect the dots?”
Wow. It’s like you just checked out completely today and let the tumor start doing all the talking for you.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:47 am
Today is absurdly slow at work.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:49 am
“when a barely pregnant woman is killed the offender is charged with two murders but if that same woman has an abortion there has been no offense?”
Good question. Very good question.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:50 am
Generation – “Thus opening a doorway for their use without it being considered a sin.”
wrong.
they can ONLY use it to prevent infection – they can NOT use it for BC. it is still a “barrier method”, and therefore still a sin if you’re using it to prevent God’s Will.