How Rick Santorum could win Georgia
Who will win Georgia’s GOP primary on March 6?
I don’t know, and if you’re looking to the polls for answers, you’re probably looking in the wrong place. At this point, they can reveal trends but they cannot predict outcomes.
So let me go ahead and offer two possibly foolish observations:
1.) The stars may be aligning to make Georgia a pivotal state in the nominating process, and to make Rick Santorum the prime beneficiary.
2.) Newt Gingrich, on the other hand, could see his political career end right here, in the state where it began.
First, why aren’t the polls much help in predicting the outcome? Because this race has been all about momentum, and Big Mo could shift decisively before Georgia voters go to the polls.
For proof, look at how swiftly the numbers have moved in just the past two weeks. In a Mason Dixon poll conducted Feb. 6-8 for the AJC and other Georgia newspapers, Gingrich drew 43 percent of likely Republican voters, Mitt Romney 29 percent and Santorum just 12 percent.
But according to a poll released Tuesday by Fox 5 Atlanta, the race has become a three-way tie, with Gingrich (26 percent), Romney (24 percent) and Santorum (23 percent) all within the margin of error. That apparent doubling of support for Santorum — largely at Gingrich’s expense — was not driven by ad buys but by momentum and infectious enthusiasm. It’s particularly notable given that just two months ago, Santorum was polling at 2 percent in this state.
Now let’s look ahead. Michigan and Arizona voters go to the polls Feb. 28, one week before Georgia. Santorum is leading in most Michigan polls, even though it’s Romney’s native state. He is also surprisingly close in Arizona, within the margin of error in at least one poll. Gingrich, on the other hand, is a distant third in Arizona and isn’t even competing in Michigan.
Should Santorum beat Romney in Michigan, or even finish strongly in both Michigan and Arizona, it would spell big trouble for Romney and be downright devastating to Gingrich. As Rupert Murdoch tweeted recently about Santorum, “Win Michigan and it’s over.” The publicity and enthusiasm generated for Santorum would probably be enough to sweep the former senator to victory here in Georgia a week later. It might also condemn Gingrich to a third-place finish in a state that he has to win to remain credible.
It’s important to note just how primed the state’s Republican electorate is for a Santorum candidacy. We saw flesh-and-blood evidence of that at a Santorum appearance Sunday night in Cumming, where a supportive crowd of more than 3,000 people turned out to hear him speak.
Santorum’s personal and political history, particularly his views on abortion and other social issues, have made him a favorite of evangelical voters nationwide. And in the AJC’s February poll, 72 percent of white Georgians who said they were likely to vote in the GOP primary described themselves as either evangelical or born-again.
Here’s another indication: In a December AJC poll, 49 percent of registered Georgia voters said that a fetus should have the legal standing of a person “at the instant the fetus is conceived.” Just 35 percent took a less absolutist stance.
No partisan breakdowns are available on that question, but if 49 percent of Georgia voters believe that life begins at the instant of conception, that percentage must be considerably higher among Republicans. And among that kind of electorate, Santorum has the potential to do very well.
Unlike Romney, Santorum can and does speak with honest conviction on such issues, and people respond to it. And while Gingrich speaks with equal conviction, people also understand that his greatest political attribute is his ability to believe sincerely in whatever just flew out of his mouth. In terms of honesty and clarity of message, Santorum wins hands down.
In a general election, however, history suggests that Santorum would not be a formidable candidate. If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue. The question is, how many Georgia Republicans are even thinking in those terms?
The answer comes March 6.
– Jay Bookman
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Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
So when talking about gas prices and the whine is that the “media did it to Bush”, are they
1. agreeing that it was improper then just as it is improper now to blame the President
2. agreeing that because they claim is is proper now that it was of course proper then and so the whine is really just a whine on their part.
3. nonsensically claim that it was NOT proper when the “media blamed Bush” but it is now proper for them and the media to blame Obama.
4. just whining incoherently
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
GS: Don’t forget you can also get them for free if you are a college student as nearly all of teh campus clinics give them out in bags, for free.
Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:18 am
Actually demand for Oil in the US is down.
Funny how prices keep going up with demand down and production up
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
well, early voting starts next week on st simons, hahaha
and I’m gonna vote for lil Ricky. heheheh
and so is every Democrat I know
PS if you got a problem with the debt, you need to address
that with the buffoons that ran up 2/3 of it – and currently
hold revenues hostage, not this guy. ching-talky point No Sale
jconservative
February 22nd, 2012
9:27 am
From Politico:
“President Barack Obama is topping 50 percent support in match-ups against each of the four Republican presidential candidates, a new poll finds.
In a general election contest against Mitt Romney, the president leads his Republican opponent 51 to 43 percent, according to an Associated Press-GfK survey on Wednesday. This demonstrates a significant lead for Obama compared to the December poll when the two were virtually tied at 47 to 46 percent
Meanwhile, Obama would lead Rick Santorum 52 to 43 percent, Newt Gingrich 52 to 42 percent, and Ron Paul 53 to 44 percent.”
I would caution Republicans to nominate a candidate who will be able to carry the mainstream independent vote that always decides who wins the White House. Or Obama will win in another landslide like he did in 2008.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
Keep Up: 3. They are doing it because it is perfectly ok, to them, to do to others what they see as having been done to them.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
Breaking news: Scout announces breaking news that he announced a day or two again….. guess he is trapped in a nonsense breaking new vortex. Scout may be broken.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
G$ – “Funny how prices keep going up with demand down and production up”
Not really, unless you actually believe that the demand for oil and petroleum based products is unique only to the United States.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
“In a general election, however, history suggests that Santorum would not be a formidable candidate. If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue. The question is, how many Georgia Republicans are even thinking in those terms?”
The fact they’re flocking to Santorum shows they’ve not even conceived that idea.
(Like the play on words?)
In fact, this pretty much illustrates the evangelical, social-issue Republican voter:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrAIGLkSMls#t=00m07s
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:29 am
GS: Funny how prices keep going up with demand down and production up
Must be that lever in the White House
ragnar danneskjold
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
I am leaning toward Mr. Santorum myself. I believe Mr. Santorum is drawing much of the Tea Party-Palin crowd, a clear majority of the Republican voters. While he is likely to lose Atlanta and DeKalb County, I suspect Santorum would take Georgia, and the rest of the South, by a wide margin. He will not be competitive in the hard-blue states – California, New York, Massachusetts – but then neither was McCain. Just as I am pleased to see full-throated leftism from the president, I would approve of similar conservative campaigning, and I think Mr. Santorum less likely to validly accused of pandering than either Mr. Gingrich or Mr. Romney. But bottom line, I would still vote for Hugo Chavez if he got the Republican nomination, as he is less destructive of freedom than the current office holder.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:26 am
No actually it is factual.
Again I know you think yourself to be of a superior intellect, but this I know for a fact.
Hell about 4 of my players came by just yesterday fresh from the clinic holding black bags full of condoms…. from our campus clinic…. all free!
Was the same way at both colleges I attended as well.
It is the case at most public universities I have encountered in my career which is about 7 years of working on college campuses.
But yeah, you surely know better than I
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:30 am
Paul: How abotu this one:
Contraception makes babies INCONCEIVABLE!
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:31 am
carlosgvv
February 22nd, 2012
9:25 am
JohnnyReb – Acer
I only call these mindless voters what they are. If you can’t handle the truth here, go somewhere else.
carlosgvv – I was born in this state and lived here most of my life. I’ll leave this blog when Jay blocks my inputs. As far as I am concerned, you are the guest; why don’t you act like a well mannered person who should be happy you have been taken into the fold instead of displaying your lack of dignity?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:32 am
ragnar – “I am leaning toward Mr. Santorum myself”
Of course you are, he’s the flavor of the month. Just as the rest of the lemmings leaned toward, Cain, Perry, Gingrich ( for about 5 minutes) and Romney.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
So Adam, you work for big oil? Just when would that be? I read you on this blog all day long almost everyday.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
Adam, why do you insist upon being an @ss, it is OK for you to not know everything and it is also OK for you to not comment on every single topic regardless of if you know what you are talking about or not…….
From http://www.birthcontrolbasics.com/male/freecondoms.php
“Where to go
The first place that many people can look to get a hold of free condoms is their school. Colleges and universities all around the world provide condoms free of charge to their students. The most common places for colleges to give away condoms is at the student center, the medical center, the hospital and even many fraternities and sororities provide them free to members in their house. Many high schools around the United States also provide free condoms to their students with no questions asked. The key to getting youths to learn responsibility and use condoms is by allowing them to have access to them without embarrassing or harassing them. If a person decided that they are going to have sex they are going to do it whether or not the authorities feel they should. The key is to at least allow them to do it safely so that further problems can be prevented. There are even middle schools in some states that will provide their students with free condoms too.”
But like you said not intended to be factual…. right?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
GS: Hell about 4 of my players came by just yesterday fresh from the clinic holding black bags full of condoms…. from our campus clinic…. all free!
Was the same way at both colleges I attended as well.
Again, your personal anecdotes do not trump reality and statistics.
You asserted that it is factual that most college campus clinics give out birth control for free in bags. Prove it. Anecdotes and personal experience in a limited context are not proof. And dont’ kid yourself, working 7 years on some college campuses is LIMITED. There are TONS of college campuses out there.
So, prove it. Or walk back and say that really, you know only what happened in your personal experience and that you cannot reasonably extrapolate that onto all college campuses.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
PRESBO SINGS THE BLUES
This is funny. I want to watch the concert though on the 27th when it comes on PBS. Can anyone help me identify any of those on stage?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhO1DnNKYbo
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
Granny Godzilla
I’m not a fan of this guy, but the first 16 seconds of the video says it all –
http://tinyurl.com/7aqvhlc
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
“..extinction is a messy business” – Thomas Jefferson
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:34 am
JohnnyReb: I’m not out in the plant in a hard hat. I am IT support for my company, and I have time and approval to do whatever I want on the internet that isn’t 1) illegal and 2) preventing me from getting my work done.
So suck it.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
I don’t think a dozen or so votes would matter in the bright red state of Georgia…
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
All the folks who think Obama has done so much for big oil, please tell me how that is? Most on the Left constantly state there is not much he can do about oil prices. Would that be talking out of both sides of your mouth?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
GS: You mean the whole time you were talking about contraceptives you really meant condoms? If so, my bad. I know condoms are free in many many places. But not contraceptive pills.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
G$ – “The first place that many people can look to get a hold of free condoms is their school.”
Brillian! I can see it now, millions of men and women flocking to their local university or high school in order to get free condoms. Or better yet, asking their kids to bring home the free products. I’m surprised Ron Paul hasn’t advocated it as part of his healthcare plan.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
Adam
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
JohnnyReb:
Adam probably works from his mama’s basement…..
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
The Church institutions don’t pay for it, the people who pay the premiums pay for it.
Actually—covering contraception should lower the cost of premiums, unintended pregnancies are a whole lot more expensive. Overall health care costs for employees should drop, which is why you haven’t heard a peep from the insurance companies.
If they raise premiums because of the new policy, it’s got nothing to do with what it’ll actually cost, it’s just another chance to make more money.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:36 am
MINDLESS MINION ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT GAS AND OIL PRICES BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT NEAL BOORTZ IS TALKING ABOUT ON HIS RADIO SHOW.
MINDLESS MINION ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We now bring you back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:37 am
JohnyReb: All the folks who think Obama has done so much for big oil, please tell me how that is? Most on the Left constantly state there is not much he can do about oil prices. Would that be talking out of both sides of your mouth?
Only conservatives think in such binary terms. Obama supports the oil INDUSTRY and has increased production efforts through the governmental bodies that oversee that sort of thing. He has no control over demand, and a very marginal command over supply on the world market. Only a conservative would think that having a small amount of supply-side control would result in a significant drop in oil barrel prices.
Georgia on their minds......
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
MB
February 22nd, 2012
9:24 am
Sounds like a plan…and if you live and vote in DeKalb, you can vote today….
http://web.co.dekalb.ga.us/Voter/pdf/PPE_03062012.pdf
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
Aquagirl:
Thats a theory that has yet to be proven. But I have heard that one before. When Obama said that Obamacare would lower our premiums.. LOL… Mine has went up 25%…
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
So Adam, since you are mostly non-productive, would it not be true to state your salary is contributing to high prices at the pump? I’m sure everyone thanks you soooo much.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:38 am
JohnnyReb – “Most on the Left constantly state there is not much he can do about oil prices.”
Exactly, there’s nothing he can do about oil prices unless you advocate the nationalization of the oil industry. Short of that, the oil will still be sold on the world market where the prices are set regardless of how much is produced.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:28 am
I do not think that,
However one does begin to wonder why gas is not $3.65/gal in Kuwait, Syria, Venezula.
I actually know why they pay far less, but it goes to show one can buck the world market if one so chooses.
Just food for thought.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:39 am
JohnnyReb: So Adam, since you are mostly non-productive
That may be your opinion based on ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, but my boss(es) think otherwise.
So suck it.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Fred ™:
And Jay is spewing about the GOP because thats the daily headline on Media Matters website. What do you think is more important. Contraception or the economy(gas prices)???
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
carlosgvv
You are clearly out of your element.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
G$ – “I actually know why they pay far less, but it goes to show one can buck the world market if one so chooses”
Yes, and as I stated on a previous blog, Google “oil embargo” and see how well that worked for us back in the 70’s.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:41 am
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:33 am
Granny Godzilla
I’m not a fan of this guy, but the first 16 seconds of the video says it all –
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That was pretty funny Paul and I’m with you. I don’t like him that much. He started out actually being in the middle, but quickly found his audience was the left so he took a dive straight left. Yet he still tries to pass himself off as “a moderate.” The few times lately I have watched his show he has one conservative surrounded by a hoard of leftists who just attack the conservative and shout him/her down every time he/she tries to speak. Much like a talk radio host I don’t find that amusing or entertaining.
But like boortz, he does have his moments. I actually liked Boortz til he sold his soul to the Republican party.
Recon 0311 2533
February 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
“In a general election, however, history suggests that Santorum would not be a formidable candidate. If he were the GOP nominee, it is even conceivable that a red state such as Georgia might turn blue.”
A bit of wishful thinking. Jay forgets Obama’s vulnerabilities. His approval rating is borderline within the margin of error and a few months ago it was negative approval outside the margin of error, so Obama does not enjoy a comfortable approval margin in his re-election year. Add to that a significant majority of Americans believe the country is tracking in the wrong direction. Additionally, gasoline prices are tracking to $4.00 dollars a gallon as a national average, which will most certainly impact this tepid slow paced economic recovery. Conditions in the Mid-East are reaching the boiling point and bring into question Obama’s foreign policy. If Santorum isn’t a formidable candidate for president now he may become one should he win the Republican nomination as Obama continues to look less than formidable to Independents and moderate Democrats.
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
Adam – all my money on a bet that the oil industry folks in the Gulf Region does not agree with you. You know, all those folks who lost their companies and jobs when bowing to the tree huggers Barry held off issuing drilling permits after the oil spill.
I expect to receive replies they were only ensuring no more similar accidents. Well, answer me this? When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:44 am
USinUK — ““Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
I completely agree. They even seem to want to run off atheists who might otherwise be inclined to vote Republican, as I once was.
If you’re going to demogogue people who don’t mesh with your moral stance, like gays or atheists or who-have-you, then don’t be surprised when members of those groups stop voting for you. My Hispanic wife is AMAZED at how the GOP has managed to alienate a great deal of the Hispanic voting bloc; she thinks that, given their cultural focus on religion and the family, Hispanics were a huge pickup opportunity for the party. But once again, the need to demonize groups won out among the GOP faithful, and so the Democrats do better with Hispanics than they probably should.
Hint to religious conservatives — if you insult and deride certain people every other day of the year, then they probably aren’t going to vote for your side on Election Day. Just sayin.’
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
Joseph – “What do you think is more important. Contraception or the economy(gas prices)???”
I guess it depends on your point of view. In NYC, I ride the subway or walk. If I travel outside the city, I simply pull the Prius out of the parking garage. As far as contraception goes, I’d advise the candidates to drop it all together and focus on explaining what their brilliant plan is to control the price of gas without first seizing control of the oil industry.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
JohnnyReb: You know, all those folks who lost their companies and jobs when bowing to the tree huggers Barry held off issuing drilling permits after the oil spill.
And I am SURE you have evidence to back up that people lost their jobs because of the moratorium, NOT because of the spill…..
Here’s a hint – no one *I* know in the oil industry lost their job at all. Anyone who had family members working on offshore drilling rigs? They were moved to other jobs temporarily. Generally, the oil industry takes care of the people that work for them.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:45 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
Reading would hae been fundamental. I said condoms very clearly in my original post.
Guess your need to show everyone you are smart got in the way and you commented before you read and understood.
about contraceptive pills, go check it out you can get free birth control at the free clinic off of Rucker Street, directly above the baseball fields.
All one has to do is submit to an STD test monthly in order to recieve the pill. Patients used to be able to get IUD’s as well, but I do think because of budgets they had to eliminate those, and they were having problems getting people to return for the monthly testing.
You can believe what you want but there are many towns out there like this.
Hell Americus is a small country town with only about 10,000 residents, I bet a big ole metro-plex like THE ATL. has a few of these as well.
maybe you should actually read the link I posted you may learn something.
And i thought i saw yesterday where someone here claimed it was those rightwingers who don’t read the links as others enjoy reading and learning new things…
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:46 am
“when did it become the prerogative of any elected official to decree that insurance companies pay for such devices? ”
it’s the responsibility of government to regulate the insurance industry, so, yeah, it actually IS their prerogative.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Fred ™:
And Jay is spewing about the GOP because thats the daily headline on Media Matters website. What do you think is more important. Contraception or the economy(gas prices)???
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Well considering that we have ZERO control over worldwide demand or the amount that oil companies are going to price gouge us but we DO have control over the next idiot who’s going to be our President I would say probably the option thta’s NOT the oil one.
But then I’m a free thinker not a programmed minion so you just go ahead and spew out today’s talk show propaganda like a good little boy.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
JohnnyReb
“So Adam, since you are mostly non-productive, would it not be true to state your salary is contributing to high prices at the pump? ”
Is your underlying position that oil companies are extremely inefficiently run, have management who does not know what employees are doing, is not concerned about controlling costs and are generally poorly run?
Or do you think oil companies set work levels for their employees and recognize some may take more time to get the job done and a few sharp ones may take considerably less, but that’s no reason to penalize the sharp worker by piling more work on them that the less efficient ones can’t get done in the allotted time?
Batman
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
Fred
Not a fan of Boortz. But nice try.
Just a quick tutorial:
FOX 5 is one affiliate of the FOX entertainment network. They have local News considering they are a local affiliate. It is a simple task, even for you.
Here’s the tutorial:
Turn on your TV. (Wish I could help here, but other than telling you to look for the red button on the remote, you will have to figure that one out.)
Now I don’t know if they have cable TV or Sat TV in your particular government housing project, but I believe that most cable news outlets are in the 30s or 40s, as far as channels. Look for the FOX News logo (logo means brand name) in the lower left of the screen. Take note of what is playing.
Now go to WAGA, FOX 5. (Again, I wish I could help you find it, but I don’t live in government housing so I don’t know what they offer.)
Are the same programs on the two channels?
Concentrate. Try to see if you can see the difference in the programming. Can you?
Ca you tell the difference between Good Day Atlanta and the show that is being broadcast on FOX News?
I hope I have been able to help, but I have to say, considering your past performance, I doubt that I have been able to do any good. There’s only so much I can do.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
Recon — “A bit of wishful thinking. Jay forgets Obama’s vulnerabilities. His approval rating is borderline within the margin of error and a few months ago it was negative approval outside the margin of error, so Obama does not enjoy a comfortable approval margin in his re-election year.”
You’d be well-advised to compare Obama’s approval ratings to Bush’s at this point in the 2004 campaign. Obama’s doing *considerably* better, yet many of our conservative posters continue to voice unfounded and dire predictions of doom for the President.
If ratings told the whole story, Bush would have been a one-term President. Yet he wasn’t. And Obama’s doing better than Bush in that department. What does that tell you?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
JohnnyReb – “When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?”
Sometimes they do if the problem can be traced back to a design flaw in all aircraft of that type. Outside of that, usually not. However, if every plane crash took months of clean up and had the potential to damage the environment for years to come, then I would surmise that the answer would be yes..
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
“Just as the rest of the lemmings leaned toward, Cain, Perry, Gingrich ”
aw, man … I miss Cain …
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:48 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:35 am
Well Butch,
which age goup is it again that is at risk for unwanted pregnancy the most?
Why I think its 16-24 yr olds….
And i bet most of them even go to a school of some type.
Hell i even bet if you would have continued to read and follow you would have seen i also wrote about free clinics providing BC pills for free.
But hey if you can’t be bothered to read, then I guess I really shouldn’t be bothered to discuss it as you obviously do not care to learn any more than what you already think you know.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:49 am
As for the moratorium, it ended after 6 months and tons of new drilling permits were issued at breakneck speed soon after. After that point, the “new safety measures” didn’t even address the actual cause of the rig blowing up. It wasn’t a total waste, because BP needed to be held accountable both publicly and behind the scenes. But we still don’t have a proper safety measure to prevent the same thing from happening if oil supervisors at BP decide to celebrate safety again and blow something else up. They kind of have a habit of doing that.
You may get all up in arms over the moratorium and “de facto” moratorium that never existed, but I PROMISE you I know more about this than you do. And not JUST because I work for big oil now.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:50 am
Oh and Joseph (can I call you littlem joey)? That ISN’T what is on the headline at Media Matters. I just checked. LOL It’s oil.
So should I add Media Matters to my tool bar as someplace to check into periodically? I never really heard about it until the last couple of days where you neo-cons have just been busting a gut about it. It must be a hot button issue for the talk shows. Is it as nutwing left as Huffington?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:50 am
GS: Hell i even bet if you would have continued to read and follow you would have seen i also wrote about free clinics providing BC pills for free.
And you have yet to actually provide non-anecdotal evidence of this.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:40 am
Wow, we are only producing as much oil as we were back in the 70s during the embargo? and all this media telling me we are producing more now.
We produce enough oil here for our consumption, especially if we can quit sending our oil to other countries, keep it here or demand lower prices per barrell to allow our oil on the world market
Billings
February 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
The reality.
Soothsayer
February 22nd, 2012
9:51 am
“We Are Drowning” On A Road To Nowhere: New War on the Horizon
Oil prices are rocketing. Iranian warships are moving into the Mediterranean to shadow the US warships already there. Propaganda news is growing with rumors of Al Qaeda links with Iran, and, then, less speculative news about real links between the terror groups and the armed opposition in Syria.
The timing now seems to be for war in October, just before the next Presidential election. Does that mean that the White House believes that war fever will generate more support for an embattled Commander in Chief. Orwell was right in his classic 1984: “the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact.”
“[T]he undeniable fact that, over the course of a decade, a bunch of cheats, thieves, and suited mountebanks stole most of the national economy and then wrecked whatever was left of it. But what’s most extraordinary about the whole thing is that, after they swindled their swindles and heisted their heists, and got paid off by the rest of us for having looted our naional economy, they all kept doing the same things they were doing before. These included extravagant bonuses and, of course, continued crimes of capital that ought to be capital crimes.”
“The ongoing economic crisis only appears to have deepened America’s conservative drift – a trend which is most pronounced in its least well off, least educated, most blue collar, most economically hard-hit states.”
“Everyone knows that the Great Recession has inflicted tremendous damage to the lives and fortunes of millions of Americans. But what you may not know is that most of the suffering is still to come.
We’re not even halfway done with this mess.”
A great article.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
Adam,
What do you do at “big oil”?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
G$ – “which age goup is it again that is at risk for unwanted pregnancy the most?
Why I think its 16-24 yr olds….”
So it’s your position that only that age group need be taken into consideration when considering regulation of health insurance?
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
Obama wants to lower the corporate income tax rate to 28%.
Some “Marxist”.
I laugh at the idiots on the right.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:52 am
JohnnyReb – “When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?”
Sometimes they stop flying an aircraft type temporarily even when *no* crashes have occurred, but a design or maintenance flaw is uncovered. There have been multiple instances of this just in the US in the last five years.
Paul
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 am
“aw, man … I miss Cain …”
And he misses you, too, dearie!
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 am
GS: And for the record, though I did not quote your post prior to that, I did read it, as well as the link you posted. The link you posted contained zero information on birth control, which you claim is being given away for free in bags at “most” college campus clinics. You have yet to provide proof of this.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:54 am
G$ — “We produce enough oil here for our consumption, especially if we can quit sending our oil to other countries, keep it here or demand lower prices per barrell to allow our oil on the world market”
So you support nationalizing the US petroleum industry, then. You do realize that nationalizing industry is a socialist policy, don’t you?
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
i’ll “ditto” that, Fred (teehee).
that’s the screaming message du jour today on morning Rush & Neal
(its de only ting that harshes de vibe o de island, mon, dat screeching)
“Talk about gas prices & oil!”
and what’s this other one? – “Obama is ending our way of life!”
too bad, so sad, da people associate big oil w/Republikans, donchaknow
and da people associate “moral fibah” & “our way of life” with da fundie
wackos mon – again ditto (teehee)
it hurts to watch, mon – really it does – hurts my sides, i mean haha
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
Steve: Perhaps I should have said an oil company, but it is one of the top oil companies (and no, I do not live or work in Georgia btw). I work in the IT department, mostly on internal software development.
Recon 0311 2533
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
“What does that tell you?”
Joe, it tells me that you may be engaging in wishful thinking as well. Bush and Obama aren’t competing for the presidency, so Obama must run on his record as a sitting president and because of the conditions I pointed out in my post he has vulnerabilities. Sorry but facts are facts.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
Adam does this help
Now I know its not all but 75% of counties ain’t bad either
“Title X Family Planning Clinics
There is at least one Title X Family Planning clinic in 75% of counties throughout America, according to the US Department of Health and Human Services. Title X Family Planning is a federally funded program that makes it possible for teens to receive free birth control and family planning services without their parents’ permission. Teens can locate a Title X Family Planning clinic in their area by visiting the Office of Population Affairs Clearinghouse.”
http://www.life123.com/parenting/tweens-teens/teens-sex/birth-control-for-teens.shtml
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
9:55 am
Obamacare will never happen. I work in healthcare and there is no way for the Government to fully take over Healthcare. Everyone already has access to healthcare. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously knows very little on the subject.
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
G$ – “We produce enough oil here for our consumption, especially if we can quit sending our oil to other countries, keep it here or demand lower prices per barrell to allow our oil on the world market”
Great, but again, there is no oil company that is currently owned by the U.S. government. The only way to achieve your goal is to seize the ones already in existence and demand that they sell the product only to the U.S. I still have not heard from you or anyone else as to how you plan to do this without significantly pissing the rest of the world off. Or the GOP base, which afterall advocates the free market and despises dictators.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
JohnnyReb
February 22nd, 2012
9:42 am
When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?
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Holy crap, you call this LOGIC? When an airliner crashes does does it poison a 5 state area and destroy the livelihood of hundreds of thousands of people? Does it pollute god only knows how many square miles of oceans and causes untold billions of dollars of damage?
I mean come on REALLY? Do YOU even believe that crap you just posted is a legitimate question?
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:56 am
JHM: So you support nationalizing the US petroleum industry, then. You do realize that nationalizing industry is a socialist policy, don’t you?
Wait till they realize how much lower prices would be for other stuff if it was nationalized!
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:57 am
Acer: I work in healthcare and there is no way for the Government to fully take over Healthcare.
It’s a good thing that hasn’t even been proposed! The ACA is NOT a government takeover of health care.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 22nd, 2012
9:58 am
Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
“Do YOU even believe that crap you just posted is a legitimate question?”
sadly, yes.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:59 am
Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?
We don’t have to if the conversation keeps getting hijacked by conservatives in favor of the EXACT SAME TALKING POINT every morning. It’s pretty easy to figure out what they talked about.
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:00 am
Joe Hussein Mama
February 22nd, 2012
9:54 am
Yep,
There is enough regulation that the oil companies are pretty much subserviant to the request of the govenment any way.
It is the only way to keep from being bent over by OPEC.
Peadawg - Yasmin Neal is one craaazy b*ch
February 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
“What birth control do you and your wife use?” – Granny, she uses Nuvaring and I use condoms, if you must know.
“NOTE: None of the above are acceptable to the Roman Catholic Church.
Rick Santorum is a Catholic.” – I’m not Catholic.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
Fred: based on my experience in arguing that very same point with people who DON’T work in the industry and yet have a pretty high opinion of their opinions, I can say that yes, he does believe what he posted and no amount of facts will get him to change his mind. Which is why I did not engage on that particular bullsh*t question.
Aquagirl
February 22nd, 2012
10:01 am
free clinics providing BC pills for free.
How about we get birth control pills from our doctors, instead of jumping through a bunch of hoops? Of course jumping through a bunch of hoops doesn’t bother you, because you’re not the one trying to juggle a job, a house, a husband, and kids. You can sit there and point out how it’s sooooooo easy.
I’m sure this won’t dent your enthusiasm for telling other people just how they should do things. There seems to be a lot of that going around among the menz lately.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:02 am
Batman
February 22nd, 2012
9:47 am
Fred
Not a fan of Boortz. But nice try.
Just a quick tutorial:
FOX 5 is one affiliate of the FOX entertainment network. They have local News considering they are a local affiliate. It is a simple task, even for you.
Here’s the tutorial:
Turn on your TV. (Wish I could help here, but other than telling you to look for the red button on the remote, you will have to figure that one out.)
Now I don’t know if they have cable TV or Sat TV in your particular government housing project, but I believe that most cable news outlets are in the 30s or 40s, as far as channels. Look for the FOX News logo (logo means brand name) in the lower left of the screen. Take note of what is playing.
Now go to WAGA, FOX 5. (Again, I wish I could help you find it, but I don’t live in government housing so I don’t know what they offer.)
Are the same programs on the two channels?
Concentrate. Try to see if you can see the difference in the programming. Can you?
Ca you tell the difference between Good Day Atlanta and the show that is being broadcast on FOX News?
I hope I have been able to help, but I have to say, considering your past performance, I doubt that I have been able to do any good. There’s only so much I can do.
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So Brother Moron, NOW you are trying to tell me that Channel 2 WSB is NOT ALSO an affiliate?
Come on now try to keep up. It’s not mindless republicans you are talking to, it’s folks who think. You’ll actually have to up yourgame (if you can) and provide TRUTH, not smarmy half truth’s in innuendo………
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:03 am
Steve – USA – “Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?”
I’m not a Democrat, but I do it so that I can hear both sides of an arguement so that I can avoid making a one sided determination. Just as I read and watch many of the news sources outside of the U.S. in order to have a more informed opinion.
Unfortunately, that same cannot be said for many of the posters on this blog.
Keep Up--Te gusta losing numb nutz?
February 22nd, 2012
10:03 am
When an airliner crashes, do they stop flying like aircraft until the reason is known?
Oy vey…. another losing post!
When an aircraft crashes, if it is weather related it is unlikely to result in grounding that craft. If it is suspected to be structural or mechanical related, it may trigger an inspection review of the system to be sure that, for example, there are not other structural wing cracks. They do not ground the “fleet” until the reason is “known”
Can you be any sillier? Oh wait, I know. Yes you can!
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
“I’m not Catholic.”
and your beliefs don’t seem to matter when it comes to Santorum and what he wants to implement.
Acer706
February 22nd, 2012
10:04 am
Adam:
How is it not?
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:05 am
“free clinics providing BC pills for free.”
spoken by a person who has evidently NEVER gone to a clinic.
you must be one of the same numpties who thinks that people are getting rich on unemployment checks, too
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:06 am
USinUK: and your beliefs don’t seem to matter when it comes to Santorum and what he wants to implement.
Universally applicable.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:06 am
Yo St. Simons: Headed your way after the Primary. Never been there before, what’s a good place to eat?
Butch Cassidy
February 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
In defense of Generation $crewed, college and university campuses do in fact give out free condoms. However, I still would not advocate that as a solution to BC being covered by the insurance company.
Doggone/GA
February 22nd, 2012
10:07 am
“Obamacare will never happen. I work in healthcare and there is no way for the Government to fully take over Healthcare.”
don’t know much about “Obamacare” I see.
Fred ™
February 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)
February 22nd, 2012
9:58 am
Why do you Democrats listen to Rush, Boortz and Hannity everyday?
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Which Democrats have said they even listen to those guys at all?
Generation$crewed
February 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
9:53 am
Again you lie or have issues with reading comprehension.
My original post said nearly all.
Never mentioned “most” until you chose that word.
So sorry I was going for nearly and since we will not be able to establish an agreement of what nearly means as in a numerical figure then it is impossible for me to prove that. However it is also impossible to prove that less than nearly all provide condoms.
I’ve seen you do this before, you can’t arue with the pister so you then try to trap them on some prove that most….. crap, it is a mature form of debate, usually only admired by college freshman at the oldest, but hey it distracts from the obvious fact that Birth Control can be obtained for free, condoms can be obtained for free.
Both can be obtained right now for free all over the country. Maybe not as easy as u would like it to be but it can be done and for you to represent it in any other fashion is dishonest and on the verge of lying.
Adam
February 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
Acer: Google “government takeover of health care” and see what you come up with. Aside from the youtube propaganda videos, of course. I would answer your question but I think reading up on it in this way is more useful as I cannot hope to be as eloquent. Also, back when Politifact was actually reputable, they called it the lie of the year.
USinUK
February 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
Butch – 10:07 – last time I checked, condoms /= BC pills in efficacy.
Joseph
February 22nd, 2012
10:09 am
Fred ™:
Your free to think whoever you want no matter how misguided that may be….
Erwin's cat
February 22nd, 2012
10:10 am
It’s a wonder more businesses aren’t run/lead by IT guys…