Santorum stoops to the Hitler allusion

Rick Santorum is now polling within the margin of error in Arizona, pulling 33 percent of the vote compared to Mitt Romney’s 36 percent. He is leading by more than 25 percentage points in delegate-rich Texas, with 45 percent compared to just 18 percent for second-place Newt Gingrich. In Ohio, Rasmussen puts the former Pennsylvania senator up by 18 points. He also remains up in the latest poll from Romney’s native state of Michigan.

And the latest out of Gallup gives Santorum a 10-point lead over Romney among Republican voters nationwide, a two-point increase in the rolling five-day average.

In an appearance before thousands of conservative Georgians at a mega-church in Cumming last night, Santorum warned his audience that the stakes in the 2012 election were high, and he employed a highly volatile historical metaphor in driving home that point:

“…. our closest ally Britain was being bombed and leveled, when Japan was spreading its cancer through Southeast Asia, and America sat from 1940 when France fell to December of 1941, and did almost nothing. Why? Because we’re a hopeful people. We think, ‘Well, you know, it’ll get better. Yeah, he’s not, I mean, he’s a nice guy. I mean, it won’t be as near as bad as what we think. I mean, you know, this will be OK. I mean, you know, yeah, maybe he’s not the best guy.’ After a while you found out some things about this guy over in Europe, but he’s not so good of a guy after all. But you know what, why do we need to be involved. we’ll just take care of our own problems. Just get our families off to work and our kids off to school and we’ll be OK. That’s sort of the optimistic spirit of America. But sometimes. Sometimes it’s not OK.>”

Santorum now denies that he was comparing President Obama to Adolph Hitler, explaining that “It’s a War World II metaphor. It’s one I’ve used a hundred times.”

It’s hard to know how much weight to give Santorum’s denial. For example, he continues to paint Obama in dictatorial terms as “a privileged person who should be able to rule over all of you.” He portrays the incumbent as a dire threat to basic religious freedom, arguing that Obama seeks to limit that freedom only to actual worship.

In Obama’s America, he warned Sunday night, “you have the freedom to go into that church and do whatever you want, but once you walk out, you’re ours. You will do what we tell you, not what they tell you.”

Over the weekend, Santorum also attacked ObamaCare’s inclusion of prenatal testing as a mandatory insurance benefit, claiming it is part of a conspiracy to boost the number of abortions performed (Just to be clear, the testing itself is not mandatory. It is only mandatory that insurance companies cover the cost should the pregnant woman elect to have the tests performed.)

“One of the things that you don’t know about Obamacare — one of the mandates — is they require is that free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America,” he said in Ohio. “Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society.”

If you say and sincerely believe things like that about your opponent, then it is perfectly reasonable to take the Hitler comparison as if it was intended.

– Jay Bookman

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TaxPayer

February 20th, 2012
4:21 pm

And Republicans are saying yeah well you know, this Santorum has his problems but maybe he’s a nice guy, you know…

Paul

February 20th, 2012
4:22 pm

“Santorum now denies that he was comparing President Obama to Adolph Hitler, explaining that “It’s a War World II metaphor. It’s one I’ve used a hundred times.”

It’s hard to know how much weight to give Santorum’s denial. ”

Nonsense. He repeatedly used “He.” As in “He’s a nice guy.” WWII is a nice guy?

Add ‘coward’ to the list of Santorum adjectives.

Okay, Mitt, time to stand back and let the MittPACs have at it.

And time to filet him at the Wednesday debate.

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

February 20th, 2012
4:27 pm

Don’t like Santorum and anyone using the old Hitler comparison is pretty lame but of course prenatal testing results in more Abortions.

To deny that Dr.s pressure woman with high risk health histories or woman over a certain age to get prenatal tests is naive. The results of these tests result in more Abortions.

Paul

February 20th, 2012
4:29 pm

I’m going to make a safe prediction and predict no Santorum supporters or anti-Obama types will put forth a convincing defense of Santorum’s statement or excuse.

kinda lazy

February 20th, 2012
4:30 pm

santorum is an idiot

Jefferson

February 20th, 2012
4:31 pm

Santorum says the president’s religion is phony, this cat is great representative of the GOP.

Paul

February 20th, 2012
4:37 pm

Looks as if no one cares to defend the indefensible.

Those who won’t defend Santorum still maintain he can beat Pres Obama?

Really?!!?

Granny Godzilla

February 20th, 2012
4:38 pm

Rick don’t have much learnin’ does he?

Re: did almost nothing

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/fdr-foreign/

Santorum 2012

oh please oh please oh please

ty webb

February 20th, 2012
4:40 pm

Paul,
some of us “anti-obama” types are just as much “anti-santorum” types.

Peadawg

February 20th, 2012
4:43 pm

“santorum is an idiot”

That’s all that needs to be said.

New topic!

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 20th, 2012
4:43 pm

I’m going to make a safe prediction and predict no Santorum supporters or anti-Obama types will put forth a convincing defense of Santorum’s statement or excuse.

Do they ever?? (serious question intended)

Butch Cassidy

February 20th, 2012
4:44 pm

Jay, are you sure that you were quoting Santorum? There are those that believe when a GOP candidate is digging their own grave, that it is somehow the fault of the Democrats or Media Matters. :)

SportsFan

February 20th, 2012
4:45 pm

First the Jerry Sandusky scandal, then the death of beloved Joe Pa, and now loopy grad Rick Santorum. Can it get any worse for Penn State?

Aquagirl

February 20th, 2012
4:45 pm

This is the logical conclusion to the talk-radio driven party, people who are on the air 3-4 hours a day have to keep upping the ante. Pretty soon you’re saying a vote for Obama is a vote for Auschwitz. And in your little echo chamber, that sounds sane.

josef

February 20th, 2012
4:45 pm

It’s hard to know who’s more bat sh*t crazy in the GOP lot…Santorum comparing Obama to Hitler or Paul and his little brownshirts…Good L-rd, even the Dog Third seems sane by comparison to those two…all three of them are scary…

Jay

February 20th, 2012
4:47 pm

Pretty soon you’re saying a vote for Obama is a vote for Auschwitz. And in your little echo chamber, that sounds sane.

No worries, Aquagirl. As long as we have Newt around to save us from such horrors, that is….

Erwin's cat

February 20th, 2012
4:47 pm

overreaching a bit aren’t we?
Not a fan of Rick S but he was hardly comparing Obama to Hitler

A hammer sees a world of nails

josef

February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm

PAUL

“Really?!!?”

It wouldn’t surprise me…the electorate of this country has gone so unhinged, nothing would surprise me…

Generation$crewed

February 20th, 2012
4:48 pm

Paul

February 20th, 2012
4:29 pm

Not a big Santorum guy, but I do not agree with Obamas general political perspective as I see it, so I hope I will do.

From reading time and again especially the whole quote the one that preceded this portion Jay used (wonder why he skipped over the 1st paragraph) I came to a slightly different conclusion.

One I fear you and know many of the other left leaning types here will not agree with…. but you asked, or made a prediction anyway.

It seems to me Santorum is making an analogy of how a good people, WWII era Americans can overlook wrong doing of different degrees. Many times only being concerned about how their single family is doing. While at the same time being very optimistic things will get better if just left alone.
Could he be saying in his perception many Americans are doing exactly that and just making sure their family is takencare of now in the immediate while hoping things just get better. His message is that you cannot simply wait for things to get better because it has not effected you on your doorstep, but that when there is wrong being done, we must take action. (vote him in and others out)

Maybe over the top, but since in first paragraph he uses Japan specifically as a cancer, and talks of Brittian being bombed and France falling. Just seems to me he could have put Hitler in there if he wanted to make the analogy.

To me what he says in the first 3 sentances of this, but odly Jay chose not to include this in his piece…….

“Your country needs you. It’s not as clear a challenge. Obviously, World War II was pretty obvious. At some point, they knew. But remember, the Greatest Generation, for a year and a half, sat on the sidelines while Europe was under darkness, where our closest ally, Britain, was being bombed and leveled, while Japan was spreading its cancer all throughout Southeast Asia. America sat from 1940, when France fell, to December of ’41, and did almost nothing.”

Jm

February 20th, 2012
4:49 pm

Another tempest in a teapot

Good grief

ty webb

February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm

maxine waters’ echo chamber: Demons…Demons…Demons!

JohnnyReb

February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm

Metahors of WWII history are bound to bring Hitler into the equation whether intended or not. When Santorum draws a direct comparison, then the Left might have a legitimate objection.

Santorum is not afraid to call the Left out on their agenda and to stand up to the Legacy media talking heads who make up Obama’s propaganda machine. Unhappiness on the part of the Left means he is hitting home. The Left is willing to give up Liberty in favor of the nanny state. They want life without consequences and all taxpayers via the governmennt to pay for their bad decisions and irresponsibility. The Right is saying, enough of that.

Common Sense isn't very Common - Papist Independent

February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm

Holy Crap – Is this the best that the GOP has to offer?

carlosgvv

February 20th, 2012
4:50 pm

Jay, this essay shows two things:

1. Santorum and the rest of the Republican leadership have the same fear, comtempt and hatred of women as Muslim leaders.
2. Santorum will stoop to any level, no matter how low, in order to get the nomination.

If remains to be seem if he will get his party’s nomination. If he does, the real question will be – has the American electorate dumbed down to the point of electing this ignorant bigoted politician?

Generation$crewed

February 20th, 2012
4:51 pm

Paul

February 20th, 2012
4:37 pm

dang only 8 minutes now to Know you have posted your prediction, formulate a response, and have it make some sense before you declare yourself correct?

Can you place some bets on the NCAA tournament with this guy I know, maybe he will let you collect winnings 8 days after tournament starts, who cares if it last longer huh?

kayaker 71

February 20th, 2012
4:52 pm

Second Santorum rant of the day…. you really must be worried about this guy Bookman. Your previous rant implied that if you elect a Republican in November, then you won’t mind them making you stick a rather large sonographic instrument up your vagina. So the uninformed out there grab onto this BS and say, “Well, we’ll never vote for that guy” Even provided a picture. So Republicans just don’t like women. They want women to go without contraceptives, they want to insert themselves into every American’s bedroom, telling them how and when they can have sex….. maybe they’ll resurrect some of those old Alabama laws about sodomy. That ought to scare a lot of those faithful clinging to their guns and religion. Now Santorum is comparing Bozo to Hitler…. tomorrow it’ll be Santorum doesn’t like anyone but Christians followed by that ever popular, “Those right wing Christian Jesus nuts don’t care about anyone but themselves”. They are going to take away your Social Security and then your Medicare….. then they’re going to push Granny over the cliff in her wheelchair. All blatant BS, conjured up by a desperate Democratic party who has nothing left but lies and fear.

josef

February 20th, 2012
4:52 pm

JAY

As you might expect, I’ve got a bit of a problem with that use of Auschwitz, but that’s just me. On the other hand, have you been following the number of educational institutions here and in Europe which are dropping the study of the Holocaust from the curriculum, and it’s not the right wing doing it either…we need to be paying a little closer attention, imuo…

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

February 20th, 2012
4:52 pm

Common – “Holy Crap – Is this the best that the GOP has to offer?”

Yes. We have a choice between the Stooges or Obama. I guess it is time to listen to what Roseanne Barr has to say. :)

St Simons - we're on Island time

February 20th, 2012
4:53 pm

25 and 18 points? wow

at 2% voter turnout, that’s gotta be like twelve people

Peadawg

February 20th, 2012
4:53 pm

“Second Santorum rant of the day…. you really must be worried about this guy Bookman.”

We all should be worried that Santorum is getting anywhere close to the White House.

Butch Cassidy

February 20th, 2012
4:53 pm

So to sum up the 2012 Presidential contest, we have the Left, which is basically Obama having to run on a weakened economy and a constant barrage of BS hurled at him.

Then we have the Right with it’s list of players that include:

Ron (Let the church pay for that guys medical care) Paul

Rick (Obama is coming for your daughters and their unborn children) Santorum

Mitt (Just because I’m an out of touch rich guy doesn’t mean I’m an out of touch rich guy) Romney

And Newt (we’re goin to the moon!) Gingrich

Seriously, am I being punked?

Jm

February 20th, 2012
4:53 pm

True santorum statement: “Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society.”

Just a question of whether you believe in culling or not (no words in the previous statement were intended to insult any ethnic group current, Paleolithic, or during any other period of time)

DebbieDoRight

February 20th, 2012
4:53 pm

Jay honestly, what’s the big deal? Everyone knows that Sanitarium is on crack. Why is anyone suprised that what he said made absolutely no sense to anyone but the people in his imaginary world?

He didn’t make an allusion to Hitler, he made an illusion to the man on the moon. That rambling, incoherent, incomprehensible speech was nothing more than he, Sanitarium, getting his instructions via radio waves, straight into his brain.

Really, we should pity the man. Those voices he keeps hearing are killing what’s left of his sanity.

Mr. Snarky

February 20th, 2012
4:54 pm

I’d say that a demogogue, Santorum seems to have taken a few pages out of Adolf’s playbook.

Butch Cassidy

February 20th, 2012
4:55 pm

JohnnyReb – ” Unhappiness on the part of the Left means he is hitting home.”

Who’s unhappy? From the posts I read here, I’m surprised that the Left hasn’t started a Rick Santorum nomination fund.

josef

February 20th, 2012
4:56 pm

Johnny Reb

“Metahors of WWII history are bound to bring Hitler into the equation whether intended or not. When Santorum draws a direct comparison, then the Left might have a legitimate objection”

We may not be of the same interpretation, but we’re reading the same text…

John

February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm

From reading the text, it sounds more like Santorum was referencing FDR. Although FDR was far from sitting idle.

DebbieDoRight

February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm

one of the mandates — is they require is that free prenatal testing in every insurance policy in America,” he said in Ohio. “Why? Because it saves money in health care. Why? Because free prenatal testing ends up in more abortions and therefore less care that has to be done because we cull the ranks of the disabled in our society.”

Honestly, does that sound like a SANE person?

gotta go — everyone please remember to be kind to your local republican, they’ve had a hard time of it and now, looks like, it’s just gonna get harder. :cry:

Fred ™

February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm

Brocephus: I just saw the Chik pics. LOL I clicked the link before I read the post so I though you were the fat dude bald dude at around pic 6 first. Man did I have some SERIOUS ammunition for about 3 minutes……… then I read the post.

We found out about that to late to get in one here dammit. Glad you had fun. Gotta split, ya’ll be cool

Jay

February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm

Ken, who exactly is pressing this particular debate theme? Who’s making the speeches on this topic, who’s holding the congressional hearings, who’s proclaiming it the end of religious liberty, etc?

Butch Cassidy

February 20th, 2012
4:57 pm

DebbieDoRight – “He didn’t make an allusion to Hitler, he made an illusion to the man on the moon”

Hey now, Gingrich hasn’t been elected yet. :)

JohnnyReb

February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm

josef – I think Santorum was playing to a deep rooted belief of the base likely within the audience. That is, this is it. We can’t let Obama be relected. If he is, there may be so much damage by the end of his second term it will be difficult to impossible to fix. We can’t be like Britian at the beginning of WWII, etc, etc.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 20th, 2012
4:59 pm

Common – “Holy Crap – Is this the best that the GOP has to offer?”

Yes. We have a choice between the Stooges or Obama. I guess it is time to listen to what Roseanne Barr has to say.

Steve

What you’ve just said is scarier than watching every Friday the 13th movie while sitting in a camp cabin in the middle of the woods by a lake where people have mysteriously been killed in years past. :)

Meanwhile...

February 20th, 2012
5:01 pm

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) referred to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) as “demons” in a recent speech.

“I saw pictures of Boehner and Cantor on our screens. Don’t ever let me see again, in life, those Republicans in our hall, on our screens, talking about anything,” she said toward the end of her speech at the California Democratic Party convention over the weekend in San Diego. “These are demons. These are legislators who are destroying this country rather than bringing us together, creating jobs, making sure we have a good tax policy, bringing our jobs from back offshore, incentivizing those who keep their jobs here. They are bringing down this country, destroying this country, because they can.”

JohnnyReb

February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm

“..who exactly is pressing this particular debate theme? Who’s making the speeches on this topic, who’s holding the congressional hearings, who’s proclaiming it the end of religious liberty, etc?”"

Of course it’s coming from the Right. If we said nothing, then the transgression would stand unchallenged. Plus, it’s a perfect example of Obama’s arrogance, over-reach, and disregard for the oath.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 20th, 2012
5:02 pm

Fred

:lol: :lol:

According to some earlier ranting, I am a liberal White guy. I don’t know how I’m gonna break it to the rest of my family.

kayaker 71

February 20th, 2012
5:03 pm

Santorum might just have a point. Without the checks and balances of the judiciary and the Congress, who knows what kind of an oligarchy we might have in this country with Bozo being left to his own desires. He cares next to nothing about the Constitution, although he is supposed to be some kind of Constitutional scholar. He has written off white working America because he knows he doesn’t have a chance with them in November. He’ll stick with those on the dole, the black vote, the university academics, the Hollywood crowd and the unions. Oh, and Bookman’s vote…. in a class all by itself.

Jm

February 20th, 2012
5:04 pm

Jay 4:57

You remember how upset you were over civil liberty incursions regarding us citizen military detention?

Well that’s how upset religious people are with Obama right now.

Government sucks. Vote libertarian or republican.

Midori

February 20th, 2012
5:04 pm

md

February 20th, 2012
5:04 pm

“Those who won’t defend Santorum still maintain he can beat Pres Obama?”

When it comes to the general, everything is still possible Paul……..it’s still a ways off.

Let’s see where we stand with the economy later in the summer…….

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 20th, 2012
5:05 pm

Jay @ 4:57

Are you hittin’ the bottle and talking to your imaginary friends again? I thought the last intervention cured you of that. I hope that’s one of the good voices?

:lol: :lol:

j/k I saw Ken’s post on the previous thread. :)

John

February 20th, 2012
5:05 pm

Meanwhile… Don’t bring up stuff like that. You might shatter Jay’s perfectly molded world.

pogo

February 20th, 2012
5:07 pm

Historically Santorum is exactly right. At one point America was enamoured of Hitler and Germany and we refused to believe the reports that were coming out of Europe It was about the time of the 1936 Olympics. Even the so-called “intellgentsia” of America and the very wealthy New York liberals supported him and what he was doing in Germany.

As for your insuating that this comment from Santorum is him comparing Obama to Hitler, that is a huge stretch Jay. I don’t think Obama can ever be compared to Hitler because Hitler promised his people that they would once again be great (after their defeat in WWI) and for a short while it actually looked like he might carry through with his promise. Not so with Obama. Before the election, Obama promised everything and his followers thought he actually could “walk on water”. Since then, Obama has done nothing but lower the expectations of the American people and has pretty much put America down on the world stage time and time again. There is no way he could ever influence enough people in this country to ever attain the power Hitler had because he is not a leader. He could never be a dictator because 50% of the people in this country will never believe in him and for good reason. He is a political snake oil salesman who pits one group against another to keep power. He rails against the rich while sleeping in bed with them (politically) and accepting their campaign dollars and he dis-enfranchises the poor and the lazy and he promises them an un-ending source of government money through entitlements knowing that there is no money for this spending. He does nothing to inspire the poor and the lazy to try to pull themselves up because he wants them to depend upon him because that gives him and his party political power. When the damage Obama and the democrats are doing comes to fruition, Obama will be just another really rich ex-government employee living a life of luxury who made his living working for the government and who never really ever had to produce anything of any value. Obama is proof that people are pretty easily played and that all one has to do to do it is just promise them something for nothing.

PJ

February 20th, 2012
5:09 pm

kayaker 71 @5:03 pm

For someone who tying to hold the “White Man” down Obama sure has a lot of them in his cabinet.

TaxPayer

February 20th, 2012
5:10 pm

Given that Santorum’s sugar daddy believes that all a woman needs to prevent unwanted pregnancy is a Bayer… I can see how the typical Republican would support Santorum. :roll:

AmVet - Stop planned GOP rapes.

February 20th, 2012
5:10 pm

Can someone research when Ricky had his spinectomy?

In my useless opinion, of course he was comparing BHO to Hitler without directly saying so. Even that dolt is not that stupid to manup and say that he thinks so.

But he and his handlers knows the arch-conservatives in Forsythe County well enough that he doesn’t have to.

To wit, does anyone remember those ugly incidents back in March 1987 with civil rights protesters having rocks and bottles thrown at them? And that glorious backlash by the good people of Atlanta and elsewhere – of all colors and races and to the tune of somewhere up to 20,000 folks.

That was something that I and tons of progressives, liberals and moderates were VERY proud of.

http://chattanoogasoul.com/info.php?subview=community&community=hub&feature=soularticle&article=forsyth_county_civil_rights_march

md

February 20th, 2012
5:10 pm

“On the other hand, have you been following the number of educational institutions here and in Europe which are dropping the study of the Holocaust from the curriculum, and it’s not the right wing doing it either…we need to be paying a little closer attention, imuo…”

And a general observation could be made as to those becoming increasingly anti-Israel…..and it isn’t the “right”. The Palestinian propaganda machine is having an effect……..folks can’t seem to see Hamas standing in the middle of two groups with similar goals……..

Oscar

February 20th, 2012
5:11 pm

Well, when you are outside the church you do have to obey the law. And you also have to obey the law when you are inside the church, regardless of what some Catholic priests have apparantly thought.

Santorum has some strange and scary thoughts – if they can be called thoughts at all. More like impulses.

josef

February 20th, 2012
5:13 pm

JohnnyReb

Maybe it’s just me, but alluding to the Europe of the 1930s is skating on really thin ice…that’s why I get so bent out of shape when the left uses the term fascist to refer to all Republicans or the right throws around the socialist one on Obama…they don’t fit…

Now, I know I used brown shirts to refer to the blank-eyed Pauljugend…but I used it to make the point that, imuo, he and they DO bear comparison and I do so knowledgeable that I will not be taken seriously due to the overuse of the allusions/metaphors…

Jm

February 20th, 2012
5:13 pm

Since politicians and government sucks, vote for less of it

By voting libertarian or republican

kayaker 71

February 20th, 2012
5:13 pm

PJ, 5:09,

Didn’t ever say that Bozo was trying to hold down anyone. The WH admitted last summer that he had written off the middle class American white voter. He knows that his efforts and money would be better spent, as Pogo said, rallying Americans against each other to get re-elected. He has nothing else to fall back on. Great analogy Pogo…. snake oil salesman. Much better than Hitler and more accurate.

Paul

February 20th, 2012
5:13 pm

ty webb

Understood. But we’ve had a few ‘anyone can beat Obama” and “anyone would be better than Obama” posters here.

Generation$crewed

That may well be, but the main point is, for serious American politicians and presidential contenders, there are some allusions that are not used, some lines that are not approached, not to mention not crossed.

“Hitler” is one of them.

“dang only 8 minutes now to Know you have posted your prediction, formulate a response, and have it make some sense before you declare yourself correct?”

Nearly a half hour since Jay posted. Not 8 minutes.

JohnnyReb

“When Santorum draws a direct comparison, then the Left might have a legitimate objection.”

So when Santorum takes the coward’s way out with implausible deniability and says ‘He’ instead of “Hitler” that makes it okay?

kayaker 71

“you really must be worried about this guy Bookman. ”

Most people don’t use ‘worried’ to describe someone who’s laughing and shaking his head in utter amazement.

Meanwhile

Even within the Democratic Party Rep Waters is recognized as an extremist.

So are you admitting Santorum is, even for a Republican, an extremist? Or is he what passes for a mainstream Republican these days?

HI DDR!!!!!!!!

Paul

February 20th, 2012
5:16 pm

Brosephus

“According to some earlier ranting, I am a liberal White guy. I don’t know how I’m gonna break it to the rest of my family.”

Play the pity angle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZQAvtFO_uA&feature=related

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 20th, 2012
5:17 pm

One last comment/question in general, and I’ll have to part ways to get dinner on the table.

Why has the GOP gone full throttle on the gloom and doom? I don’t recally any motivational effort that focused on how effed up things were having a positive outcome. I’ve waited on someone from the Right to put forth a sustained positive outlook on what they can do for America. I’ll hear bits and pieces, but there’s far more negative crap than positive. I can’t speak for everyone else, but I don’t have the desire to vote for someone who’s a political Debbie Downer. That’s why I really hate the negative campaign ads. If I know things are effed up, I don’t need you to continually remind me of that while you’re flying on chartered jets all around the country attending $1000 a plate fundraisers. Simply make your case by explaining to me how you’re gonna uneff things.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 20th, 2012
5:18 pm

Towncrier

February 20th, 2012
5:19 pm

“If you say and sincerely believe things like that about your opponent, then it is perfectly reasonable to take the Hitler comparison as if it was intended.”

Huh? The intent of the quoted passage was to emphasize how we as Americans tend to put our heads in the sand and ignore glaring problems (can you say DEFICIT???) . The best example of that is, of course, our apathy during the early years of WWII. So now you want to jump to the conclusion that Santorum is likening Obama to Hitler? Get thee to a schoolery, Jay. Really – is that all you have?

kayaker 71

February 20th, 2012
5:19 pm

Is the Atlanta Journal posting a smiling picture of Michelle my Belle on the right of the blog posts just to irritate Bookman’s conservative posters? The one atop Bookman’s head is more telling showing the whole group. “Join Michelle and tell Barak You’re In. ” Sorry to disappoint you Michelle but…….

Paul

February 20th, 2012
5:20 pm

Hi Midori!!!

:-)

Brosephus

Let me know when you’re done and I’ll come help get dinner off the table!

TaxPayer

February 20th, 2012
5:20 pm

Just last night, Obama tried to sneak into my house again and take my children to his indoctrination camp and that’s the truth. Just ask Sarah Palin. She’ll tell you I’m telling the truth. – Excerpt from Rick Santorum’s Sermon on the Hill

josef

February 20th, 2012
5:22 pm

md

And you’re not going to hear those of us on the left putting up a fracas, either. It’s barely making the news, and only then in places like the inside pages of the NYT which, after all, does have a significant Jewish readership.

Jay

February 20th, 2012
5:24 pm

I give Santorum for honestly, sincerely believing in what he says, unlike Gingrich for example. For that reason, I find him far more likable, but equally scary in a different way.

md

February 20th, 2012
5:25 pm

I think some tend to take interpretations to an extreme……much like parents thinking their child is in the hands of an ax murderer when they are hiding in the clothes rack at the local store……

I used the term “food gestapo” the other day with the intent to link unsavory tactics, NOT comparisons to Hitler. It was an attempt to use a term that most are familiar with vs using one that may leave folks scratching their heads trying to figure out the connection……I think sometimes we are our own worst enemies taking things to extremes……….so I’ll give Rick the benefit of doubt that he was comparing a situation vs a person.

Jay

February 20th, 2012
5:26 pm

Crier, reporters who were there — including the Wall Street Journal writer linked above — say that was his implication.

TaxPayer

February 20th, 2012
5:26 pm

kayaker,

You might try doing internet searches for stuff like Chevy cars and Sears mowers and whatever else you might find interesting if you want to change some of those ads you see on the screen. I suspect the AJC’s ads are at least partially selected based on a particular viewer’s search pattern.

just reality

February 20th, 2012
5:26 pm

Just like all the other GOP candidate drop-outs, Santorum has now proven he’s way to insane to have any possibility of winning in November.

josef

February 20th, 2012
5:27 pm

Of course President Obama is a snake-oil salesman. He’s a politician. It’s their stock in trade.

dbm

February 20th, 2012
5:27 pm

josef

February 20th, 2012
4:45 pm

Did I miss something? Can you clarify about the brownshirts?

Towncrier

February 20th, 2012
5:31 pm

“Crier, reporters who were there — including the Wall Street Journal writer linked above — say that was his implication.”

By reading his mind? I was not there and generally do not treat people’s impressions as all that reliable. I certainly would not conclude from the passage you quoted that he was “stooping” to a Hitler allusion. Now, if you have something more damning, let’s see it. As an aside, there have been politicians (on both sides of the isle) who have unequivocally likened an opponent to Hitler. Have you ever written a column about them?

PJ

February 20th, 2012
5:31 pm

kayaker 71 @5:13 pm

It’s what you implied. You said White men not white voters. And just because a demographic group may not be as easy to capture as before no one in their right mind writes off the biggest voting block in a country. I don’t see Obama campaigning in many minority neighborhoods but I do see him going to a lot of venues where White people are likely to be. He knows as do most people that there is a certain segment of society that if every American had a job, just brought a new home, and all their children went to college free at no cost to the tax payer would not he get their vote.

Jm

February 20th, 2012
5:32 pm

I don’t care if santorum was comparing Obama to hitler

Obama hasn’t killed millions of people, but he has put millions out of work

Some people perceive Obama as a very serious threat to the economic and civil liberties that this nation has long enjoyed

They’re entitled to their opinion and I can partially sympathize

Jm

February 20th, 2012
5:33 pm

Josef 5:27

Romney: not a snake oil salesman :)

josef

February 20th, 2012
5:34 pm

JAY

“I give Santorum for honestly, sincerely believing in what he says, unlike Gingrich for example. For that reason, I find him far more likable, but equally scary in a different way.”

I agree with your statement to a point…likeable? I would have gone with that a few weeks ago, but I’ve done a 180 degree on that. Equally scary? He scares me even more that the Dog Third and it is because he believes what he says. There’s no wiggle room. At least with the Dog Third, when the audience starts giving raspberries he’ll change direction to keep the spotlight on him. He’s a spectacle. Santorum is the real thing.

josef

February 20th, 2012
5:37 pm

dbm

His “heil, heil” followers, all shouting and marching in step and on cue…

Towncrier

February 20th, 2012
5:38 pm

“I give Santorum for honestly, sincerely believing in what he says, unlike Gingrich for example. For that reason, I find him far more likable, but equally scary in a different way.”

One of the things he said in several debates that impressed me was that only 2% young people who 1) graduated from high school 2) has a job and 3) got married before having children were in the poverty range. Not a bad thing to emphasize, in my opinion. There is definite merit to a lot of the “social conservative” platform.

kayaker 71

February 20th, 2012
5:39 pm

PJ, 5:13,

Read it again. You might find that you have made a mistake.

md

February 20th, 2012
5:40 pm

And I’ll defend Jo’s use of “brownshirts” too……it got his point across and folks should know he is not comparing anyone to Hitler.

jefflz

February 20th, 2012
5:42 pm

Santorum is a sick puppy and so are the people who support and surround him. He has no place in electoral politics and the GOP displays total bankruptcy in allowing him to carry their banner.

josef

February 20th, 2012
5:44 pm

jm

Can I interest you in a magnum of Château Huile du Serpent 1980? :-)

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm

Well, me and my buddy Jim Earl and my other buddy Joe Bill pretty much agree—things is looking up. We got a real Conservative, not a RINO, about to take over the race for President. Now it would be alot better if he wasn’t a Catholic, but heck, that’s better than being a Mormon. There’s a chance we can put women back in their place and maybe water down some of these so-called Civil Rights laws and get rid of Gay Marriage before the Mexicans and Those People take over this country. I never thought I’d see it again, but it sure looks like we can go back to the 1920s if we all get out and vote.

Have a good night everybody.

Jm

February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm

The media is out to take down santorum

Schieffer did it this weekend, taking an absurd interpretation of a different santorum comment

Journalists and columnists live in rabbit holes

PJ

February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm

kayaker 71 @5:13 pm

I did and I stand by what I said. There are those who will never vote for, like or ever respect the man nor as long as he in in the job the office. I would write them off too.

TaxPayer

February 20th, 2012
5:45 pm

One of the things he said in several debates that impressed me was that only 2% young people who 1) graduated from high school 2) has a job and 3) got married before having children were in the poverty range. Not a bad thing to emphasize, in my opinion.

And the earth only has one moon. Also not a bad thing to emphasize. Why. Because that limits the amount of money Gingrich could waste on building moon colonies. Now, how do Santorum’s statements link to his beliefs and actions he would take if elected. I think he’s just saying, without saying, that women should be educated on the proper use of Bayer until they find a man to take care of them. What do you think.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

February 20th, 2012
5:46 pm

Brosephus… we can switch minds. Just a few weeks ago, I was called an angry black man. :D

Jm

February 20th, 2012
5:47 pm

Speaking of rabbit holes

This whole panetta ignatius thing is fascinating

Doggone/GA

February 20th, 2012
5:47 pm

“I give Santorum for honestly, sincerely believing in what he says”

Sorry, can’t agree. He’s GOT to know that some of the things he is saying are flat out lies. I can’t give credit to anyone who stands on a “holier than thou” pedestal and then lies. Makes me wonder just was religion he TRULY follows.

TaxPayer

February 20th, 2012
5:47 pm

The media is out to take down santorum

Because if they really wanted to help the guy, they would apologize for the temporary audio problems every time his lips move.

josef

February 20th, 2012
5:48 pm

Jm

Hitler put millions TO work…the allusion should fall flat there if no where else..jus’ sayin’

Jm

February 20th, 2012
5:50 pm

Josef 5:44 :) um no

What office are you running for?

md

February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm

I think our society got overly sensitive shortly after we started handing out trophies to everybody that played any kind of sport as a child…………didn’t want to hurt any feelings, instead we created a different kind of monster……….

Jay

February 20th, 2012
5:52 pm

I disagree, Dog. I think he’s for real. I’ve known people like him. I used to attend evangelical services as a teenager in Pittsburgh, the same area he’s from. Speaking in tongues, etc. He’s familiar to me, if not personally (although for all I know we may have met back then, being of the same general age and attending Penn State in the same era.)