NASCAR bars the General Lee

File this one under “things I never thought I’d see….”

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) – NASCAR and track officials canceled plans to have pro golfer Bubba Watson drive the car from the television series The Dukes of Hazzard at Phoenix International Raceway because of concerns about a negative reaction to an image of the Confederate flag….

Watson was scheduled to drive the 1969 Dodge Charger, known as the “General Lee,” on a parade lap before the March 4 Sprint Cup Series race at Phoenix.

“The image of the Confederate flag is not something that should play an official role in our sport as we continue to reach out to new fans and make NASCAR more inclusive,” NASCAR spokesman David Higdon said in a statement Friday.

– Jay Bookman

539 comments Add your comment

carlosgvv

February 18th, 2012
3:33 pm

And now the translation:

“We actually don’t give a flying fig about blacks and civil rights but, by golly, we sure love money and if we can get a few token black drivers and crews we might attract black viewers and sponsors. After all, money talks and BS walks”.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
3:38 pm

Gotta go with the overreach on this one. The Dukes of Hazzard and the General Lee had absolutely nothing to do with the negative connotations of the Cross of St. Andrews flag. The car that Watson has is known as the General Lee 1, which is the very car seen making the jump in the opening credits to the TV show.

If NASCAR wants to worry about negative images, they should focus on ticket prices, jacked up hotel rates, and horrible traffic on race weekends. That causes more negativity than what that car could ever do. That car is a piece of tv history. Anybody who gets offended by it needs to get a damn life.

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
3:44 pm

Gotta file this under the free market.

NASCAR is a private enterprise and this is a decision about $$$.

getalife

February 18th, 2012
3:45 pm

“NASCAR more inclusive”

They are trying to get more minorities to buy their stuff.

Smart move but Nascar will always have that good ole boy culture because it started with running moon shine.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
3:53 pm

getalife

There’s many minorities who wear NASCAR merchandise and attend events. I know far more who are into drag racing instead of running ovals. NASCAR has a program in place already to introduce minorities into the different aspectics that stock car racing involves.

http://www.nascardiversity.com/diversity_internships/default.aspx

You can’t make people like you if they have no interest in you from the start.

jconservative

February 18th, 2012
3:57 pm

Kamchak has this one correct – free enterprise. Business decision.

josef

February 18th, 2012
3:59 pm

JAY

You didn’t!

So, what’s today in history? Do you know without looking it up, Imam?

And Brosephus,

Thanks for that little foray into logic and proportion…

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2012
4:03 pm

“Kamchak has this one correct – free enterprise. Business decision.”

Certainly it is…but…it’s like changing the flavor of a popular food. Sure, you’ll get more customers who like the new flavor, BUT how many of the old customers will you lose? Mrs Winners lost ME as a customer with that trick. I liked their original fried chicken, hated their new.

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:07 pm

BROSEPHUS

SE, of course. :-)

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
4:08 pm

Mrs Winners lost ME as a customer with that trick. I liked their original fried chicken, hated their new.

And now they are no more.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2012
4:12 pm

“And now they are no more”

Yep, exactly. I’ve always wondered if they would have stayed afloat if they kept their original chicken and just made the new another selection.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
4:12 pm

Thanks for that little foray into logic and proportion…

josef

I went to races early in the 1980’s, and I don’t ever remember anything bigoted ever being thrown at our group. Maybe it was because it was a Boy Scout troop, but between the infield and outfield, I don’t ever recall any of the adults reacting with that “shield the kids from this sh*t” type actions. The primary reason I haven’t been to any recent races is because of those things I listed. When it takes longer to get in and out of the track than it takes to run the race, that makes me rather watch them on tv.

I can respect NASCAR making what they feel is a wise business decision, but as Doggone stated, they may end up losing in the long run.

getalife

February 18th, 2012
4:17 pm

I doubt they will lose many fans over this.

“We’re dumb, but we’re not stupid,” Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told reporters after he voted. “We did not want to repeat the debacle of last December. It’s not that complicated.”

Yeah, one downgrade was enough.

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
4:18 pm

Doggone/GA

I’m not sure why they lost market share to Church’s/KFC/Zaxby’s/Chick-fil-a/Popeye’s/Bojangles. I’m willing to bet that there’s more to it than changing a recipe. If some doofus at the top was making a decision like changing the recipe, I wonder what other damfool things he came up with.

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:21 pm

BROSEPHUS

The way I see it, this will go over like a lead balloon. All it will do is make a lot of people mad and for no useful purpose other than sh*t stirring…

Being neither a fan of Dukes of Hazzard or NASCAR, I don’t really have a dog in this fight…

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:22 pm

Two words: Church’s, Popeyes…

JamVet - Trying to keep up with the Brosephus family.

February 18th, 2012
4:25 pm

To each their own.

The rebel flag is a problem. Not so much that it is a symbol of treason anymore, but because white hate groups were very successful in co-opting it in the 20th century as a symbol of their perversion.

Fairly or not.

That they truly do want to attract the widest range of fans, in my useless opinion NASCAR made the right decision…

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2012
4:26 pm

“I’m willing to bet that there’s more to it than changing a recipe”

Oh, I agree…I never said they went under BECAUSE they changed the recipe, just using it to illustrate what COULD happen. They stayed in business for quite a long time after that change. Heck KFC almost lost me too, when they changed their crispy recipe. But I still like their original, so I still buy there now and then. Domino’s has lost my sister as a customer to a recipe change too.

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2012
4:27 pm

“Two words: Church’s, Popeyes”

Neither of which is as good as the original Mrs Winners was. I like Popeye’s mild recipe, but I get tired of it after a while.

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
4:33 pm

Doggone/GA

I wish I had gone to Mrs. Winners before they shut down as I never tried the new product. I didn’t particularly care for the original as I found it to be too breaded and doughy. They had a very robust breakfast trade with large biscuits and cinnamon buns the size of catcher’s mitts. That was when I went in. Did they change breakfast too?

0311/1811

February 18th, 2012
4:35 pm

“The image of the Confederate flag is not something that should play an official role in our sport as we continue to reach out to new fans and make NASCAR more inclusive,” NASCAR spokesman David Higdon said in a statement Friday.”

And ………………. don’t forget that the “Stars and Stripes” flew over thousands and thousands of slave ships; was that last thing that many Native-Americans (men, women & children) saw before a U.S. Cavalry trooper put a bullet between their eyes and don’t forget it flew over the Japanese-American internment camps in WW II.

They may be offended also.

Pathetic.

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:35 pm

Doggone

True heretic that I am, I don’t care for fried chicken…

0311/1811

February 18th, 2012
4:36 pm

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2012
4:36 pm

“I wish I had gone to Mrs. Winners before they shut down as I never tried the new product.”

Well, to MY taste it had WAY too much garlic in it, otherwise it seemed pretty much the same. As for being doughy, I suspect you ran up against a bad store or two. The two closest to me always had nicely cooked, crisp crusted, juicy chicken.

As for breakfast, I wouldn’t know – I never ate breakfast there.

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:37 pm

SCOUT

You beat me to it. But…but…well, you know, whatever…

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
4:38 pm

josef

No doubt. The longtime fans will obviously not like that decision. Personally, I think it would be a great promo idea. NASCAR began as an outlet for people who ran moonshine. Although they never committed any crimes, the Dukes were kinda portrayed as outlaws. I see no problem with one co-opting the other.

They had a very robust breakfast trade with large biscuits and cinnamon buns the size of catcher’s mitts.

I miss those biscuits too!! Those were some big assed biscuits. :)

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2012
4:39 pm

“True heretic that I am, I don’t care for fried chicken”

Is that as heretical as hating grits? I can’t stand grits.

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:43 pm

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:47 pm

Doggone

I don’t eat grits and don’t drink sweet tea either!

BROSEPHUS

Nothing like a little truth in advertizing, eh?

AND Mrs. Winner’s biscuits…even I would cross the street for one of those and those cinnamon rolls, go blocks out of the way for one…mmmm!

getalife

February 18th, 2012
4:50 pm

What kind of Rebel does not eat fried chicken and grits?

Doggone/GA

February 18th, 2012
4:51 pm

” don’t eat grits and don’t drink sweet tea either! ”

We must be soulmates! I don’t either. In fact, I don’t drink any kind of tea. With me, the “grits thing” is a texture problem. I don’t like the northern version either – cream of wheat. And I don’t eat things like puddings. In fact, the only thing of that sort of texture I do eat is mashed potatoes, but even then, I prefer country mashed to creamy mashed.

josef

February 18th, 2012
4:57 pm

getalife

“What kind of Rebel does not eat fried chicken and grits?”

Why, the rebel Rebels, of course…got a problem wi’ dat? :-)

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
4:57 pm

josef

A litle truth never hurt anybody. :)

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
4:59 pm

What kind of Rebel does not eat fried chicken and grits?

None that I’ve ever heard of.

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:00 pm

doggone

Soul mates, indeed. I’m real persnickety about textures. And grits are the wrong texture for me and that they have no flavor or smell…three strikes and they’re out! And while I’ll eat mashed taters, not the soupy ones, gotta have some lumps in there…

getalife

February 18th, 2012
5:01 pm

Sweet tea too?

Come on rebel Rebels.

This Yankee eats fried chicken, grits and washes it down with sweet tea.

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:01 pm

K’chak
@ 4:59

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW! :-)

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:03 pm

getalife

“This Yankee eats fried chicken, grits and washes it down with sweet tea.”

Bless your heart!

Jerome Horwitz

February 18th, 2012
5:04 pm

This is the one smart thing Boortz ever had to say – something to the effect that there was nothing wrong with the Confederate flag, but, Southerners allowed racist groups such as the KKK to make it their emblem.

I’ve been to many NASCAR races in the 80’s, 90’s, early 2000’s. Never saw one bit on racism. Even the African American gent who brought his Caucaisan wife. Of course they had money out the kazoo buy the way they were decked out in their NASCAR garb and the rock she was sporting. They were very classy and everyone seemed to recognize that. At another race some redneck sat next to a black couple who were clearly out of their element. He spent the race explaining the nuances of the sport and at the end of the day they shook hands, slapped each other on the back with a big smile and left having made new friends for the day. Truly nice moments.

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
5:06 pm

Why, the rebel Rebels, of course…

Rebel rebel?

Is that what David Bowie wrote about?

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:07 pm

AND

Just for the record here, the Cross of St Andrew is NOT the Confederate flag…the one flying over Georgia as we speak is…

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:08 pm

K’chak

It is indeed, and my hair (what’s left of it!) is a mess… :-)

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
5:10 pm

It is indeed, and my hair (what’s left of it!) is a mess…

Is your dress torn as well?

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:12 pm

An little family story here…one of my dad’s “enterprises” was a dirt stock car track…our home town was decidedly of the segregationist bent (even had segregated coke machines!), but at the height of “the troubles,” the crowds and the competitors were from both races and no separate facilities or seating…and I can’t recall anybody ever saying anything about it…

My brother in law’s sisters (ideal Southern blonde belles) were regular racers and their “pit crews” were mostly black…

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
5:13 pm

Just for the record here, the Cross of St Andrew is NOT the Confederate flag…the one flying over Georgia as we speak is…

Exactly!! If memory serves me correct, the Cross of St Andrew was first used by a regiment out of Tennessee. Over time, it was co-opted as the Confederate Battle flag, but it never flew as the official flag of the CSA.

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:13 pm

K’chak

:-) and DDR has my boa and won’t give it back!

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:15 pm

BROSEPHUS

It was incorporated as the ensign (is that the right word, that upper left-hand quarter) in the last flag of the Richmond government in 1865….

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
5:16 pm

…and DDR has my boa and won’t give it back!

TMI!

Just sayin’.

Thulsa Doom

February 18th, 2012
5:21 pm

“That car is a piece of tv history. Anybody who gets offended by it needs to get a damn life.”

Brocephus,

I agree with you on that but I still gotta disagree with you overall MY FRIEND. Those of us old enough to remember the show know it was just about fun and silliness. We know the car isn’t offensive. But if you’re of the younger generation and never saw the show or were to young to really remember it then there is the good chance that all you see is the confederate flag. For that reason I understand NASCAR wanting to not have the car due to the flag and the message it could send to younger people. Too bad we still don’t have a young, hot Catherine Bach to parade around in hot cutoff shorts.

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:25 pm

Mississippi put the Cross of St, Andrew on its state flag in 1890 spefically in honor of the veterans. When during the recent round of Confederate bashing the matter of changing it came up, the matter was put to vote. It was the only issue on the ballot. 70% of the state’s registered voters turned out, the largest turnout in state history and one of the largest on record in the United States and well above the paltry 50% we get in national and state elections. 65% of the whites and 35% of the blacks voted to keep the flag. Interestingly, over 90% of the Indians voted to keep it. Obviously, it is an issue that no small few of Uncle Sam’s red-headed step children feel a mite strongly about…

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
5:27 pm

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:30 pm

“And the first shall be last.”
–Thomas Jefferson

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:34 pm

So, ZamVet and Thulsa are the two who have a problem with the General Lee…hmmmm…I knew they were cut from the same cloth…
:-)

BADA BING

February 18th, 2012
5:35 pm

NASCAR is going to lose me if they keep jamming Danika Patrick down our throats. By the way, Whitney didn’t need a Bodyguard, she needed a Bobbyguard.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
5:38 pm

josef

That one, I didn’t know about. I thought all of the flags had the blue background with stars.

Doom

I’d disagree with you on the younger people. The only way younger people would associate the Confederate Battle flag with anything negative is if it’s taught to them that way. Older people would probably react to it much more emotional than the younger generations would, IMHO. Younger people would probably be indifferent towards it until they’re taught to react to it in an emotional way.

BADA BING

February 18th, 2012
5:40 pm

The Grammy’s had huge ratings after Whitney’s death. Who can they knock off next year to beat those ratings?

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:41 pm

BROSEPHUS
The Confederate States of America went through more flags than Georgia did recently! The one you refer to did last the longest and is the real Stars and Bars…

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:42 pm

BADA

Justin Bieber? :-)

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
5:42 pm

Before all you ignorant asshats keep shooting off your mouths with your stereotypical BS, let me educate you on something. The LAST year I reported on NASCAR, the Daytona 500 was ranked by Forbes magazine as the 4th most valuable sports brand. Number 1 was the superbowl (little surprise), number two the Summer Olympics and number 3 is FIFA world Cup.

I covered races from that historic 1/4 mile dirt track in Dacula to the Daytona 500. I interviewed Joey Lagano when he was 14 or 15 driving a Hooters pro cup car at the 1/2 mile D-oval in Charlotte and a week later interviewed Jimmie Johnson and Jeff Gordon.

It was only a few years ago that the race ho Jesse Jackson tried to strong arm NASCAR like he did Coke and so many other major US companies. NASCAR told him to go piss up a rope or they would break him. He left them alone. NASCAR HAS to be “image conscious” just for the reason you can read from the ignorant comments posted on this thread.

It wasn’t that long ago that the two Atlanta races generated more money for metro Atlanta than the COMBINED seasons of the Braves, Hawks, and Falcons. And Bruton Smith bought and built the track, not a Gov’t using taxpayer money. Yet you would never know there was ever a race unless you live arounfd the track and the southside of Atlanta along the 75 corridor. I remember a few years ago there was some sort of Black “festival” on Auborn Avenue the same weekend as teh race. That Festival got tv news air time, front page AJC coverage you name it. The race was ignored. 35 people turned up to that awesome “festival.”

There is a reason Bruton Smith took a race from Atlanta (and ALL that money). Atlanta didn’t deserve it. Ya’ll, left and right, remember that crap when you are laughing at those multi billionaire “red-necks.” Folks are still getting paid. It’s just not folks in Atlanta. Those race teams STILL start at a buy in of 20-30 MILLION dollars to just be competitive. Ha ha yuck yuck. NASCAR and the France family doesn’t need you. They are doing just fine and the cities that embrace them are reaping the economic boons. Yeah I know, little podunk towns like Chicago, Dallas, Las Vegas, and LA. Hick towns like that……..

Put that in your arrogant pipes and smoke it.

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
5:43 pm

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:44 pm

FRED

Sois sage, Mec! ;-)

carlosgvv

February 18th, 2012
5:51 pm

Brosephus – “you can’t make people like you if they have no interest in you from the start”

An excellent summation of the vast majority black attitude toward whites in America.

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
5:52 pm

Josef: j’existe, je suis, je vis; j’ai une certaine position .

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
5:55 pm

An excellent summation of the vast majority black attitude toward whites in America.

Hyperbole much?

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
5:56 pm

…number 3 is FIFA world Cup.

Is that ranking world wide, or U.S. only?

Number 3 is too low worldwide and too high for the U.S.

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
5:57 pm

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
5:56 pm

…number 3 is FIFA world Cup.

Is that ranking world wide, or U.S. only?

Number 3 is too low worldwide and too high for the U.S.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Click the linkie and argue with Forbes magazine. It’s world wide.

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
5:58 pm

Or WAs world wide lol. That was in 2007, the last year I covered racing.

Thomas

February 18th, 2012
5:58 pm

Negotiations still ongoing if the flag is replaced with a vintage blue jean shorts picture
of Daisy Duke’s arse. Now that is a national treasure.

So was, seriously, Whitney Houston. She and her golden voice will be missed.

josef

February 18th, 2012
5:59 pm

BROSEPHUS

Shut up, you Uppity Knee-grow, Carlos will tell you what you think. Don’t argue and keep your place. :-)

FRED

Mais…penses-tu?

JamVet - Trying to keep up with the Brosephus family.

February 18th, 2012
6:02 pm

josef, I have no problem with that flag. It has it’s place in history and for me personally, it is little more than a curiosity. That the south lost that war and the union was preserved is all that matters.

Interestingly, Lincoln would not refer to the southerners as confederates. Thereby legitimizing their self proclaimed status.

He called them belligerents and insurrectionists.

Though Connecticut born, this was the original Jayhawker badass…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jso1YRQnpCI&feature=related

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
6:02 pm

josef

Maybe Donovan was correct when he insinuated that I was elitist in my thinking. :)

I love how people have to make up bogus sh*t to justify their negative attitudes towards Blacks. I’d much rather deal with people who are honest and open about their prejudices versus those who have to construct straw armies to fight.

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
6:04 pm

Josef: Je pense que je vais aller regarder la course. Le Bud SHOOTOUT est ce soir.

josef

February 18th, 2012
6:11 pm

So, Nascar wants to be inclusive…I’ll get in touch with Cuzzin John and see if he wants to drive

http://www.metroweekly.com/spotlight//2010-06-24_stage_5368_5551.jpg

under this flag

http://www.dlistmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gay-flag.jpg

Mr. Snarky

February 18th, 2012
6:14 pm

They’re just some good ol’ boys
Never meanin’ no harm…

getalife

February 18th, 2012
6:15 pm

Fred was a Nascar reporter.

Give us some dirt on the drivers Fred.

Mr. Snarky

February 18th, 2012
6:16 pm

GeeGeeGeeGeeGee…C’mon Flash! Let’s get ‘em!

Mr. Snarky

February 18th, 2012
6:17 pm

Gotta love a show with a character named Cooter!
I loved it in 3rd grade. That’s for shore.

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
6:18 pm

Getalife: Kyle Busch is a great kid. Denny Hamlin is a complete ass. In real life, Denny is the guy that most fans think Kyle is and Kyle is as nice and gracious as can be.

Oh, and unless something has changed, I think Jr. is a drunk.

josef

February 18th, 2012
6:19 pm

ZamVet

A murderous isurrectionist thug he and to their eternal credit for good judgment he got no support down in Dixie among the enslaved…

Like our Imam al Shariff Torquemada, your views are orthodox conservative…but, well, we all have our narrow minded perspectives on certain issues…

FRED…
Donc, j’entends…. :-)

BROSEPHUS

Likewise…we’ve got a couple of don’t like qu*ers and some don’t like k*kes hereabout who come up with all that horsesh*t…I’d respect them a lot more if they’d just come on out and say it…

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
6:26 pm

josef: I don’t like asshats, baptists and french people. Is that respectable? :D

I’ve gotten to where I can tolerate SOME Yankees though……….

carlosgvv

February 18th, 2012
6:27 pm

Brosephus – 5:55

If Black America woke up one morning and discovered all of White America has just vanished, you and I both know the tears would be few and far between and the dancing for joy would literally shake the ground.

BADA BING

February 18th, 2012
6:29 pm

Hey NASCAR……you dance with who brung ya. What’s next? Tapas at the concession stand instead of corn dogs? White wine instead of Bud? Will Blackwell do a Redneck Gal Worst/Best Dressed List?

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2012
6:31 pm

josef – I was gonna return it; but it looked sooooooo good with my domanatrix outfit (the yen and yang thing) not to mention my thigh high boots, that i decided to keep it for just a few more weeks. just until dudley leaves, you can get it back after that.

JamVet - Trying to keep up with the Brosephus family.

February 18th, 2012
6:31 pm

“…orthodox conservative…”

Not shabby, since I’m not even a real Hebe according to certain people!

But I do watch Fiddler on the Roof every chance I get!

http://tinyurl.com/7q6fzz2

And the EOI truth be told, I bring up names like Lincoln and Brown just to see if you’ll get your panties in an indignant wad! (I’m so bad!)

But there is a certain Union general that even I won’t mention here!

Ronald Reagan is not the solution to the problem. Ronald Reagan is the problem. ~Thomas Jefferson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZz5TaNDrOU&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL1D4DA9269B4A7AEC

josef

February 18th, 2012
6:33 pm

FRED

You need to get your priorities straight! :-)

CARLOS

Oh, get real…they’d want to know where they had gone and why…and they would want to know what happened in OUR country…to OUR people…you are an old style segregationist, IMUO.

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2012
6:35 pm

carlosgov: An excellent summation of the vast majority black attitude toward whites in America

how the heck would you know? i mean have you talked / met that majority of blacks that you cite and they’ve said that? or are you AZZsuming again?

TGeneral Lee and the CONFEDERACY is GONE WITH THE WIND

February 18th, 2012
6:38 pm

@carlosgvv

February 18th, 2012
3:33 pm
And now the translation:

“We actually don’t give a flying fig about blacks and civil rights but, by golly, we sure love money and if we can get a few token black drivers and crews we might attract black viewers and sponsors. After all, money talks and BS walks”.
**********************************************************************************************

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.

Don’t put your racist views in the mouth of others.

Man Up……….Or Shut up

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2012
6:40 pm

BAdaBing: By the way, Whitney didn’t need a Bodyguard, she needed a Bobbyguard.

Its too soon for me BD — watched the funeral today; i cried for about an hour (the first hour); the second hour i was just uplifted by her friends/family comments.

Thomas – thanks.

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
6:44 pm

“I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die”
– Thomas Jefferson

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2012
6:45 pm

hey josef – read your link to the black confederates, quick question: Do you honestly believe that the blacks were anything more than servants?

I mean, blacks weren’t even allowed to read, you’d think a white cofederate would actually trust one with a GUN that could possibly be pointed towards their back?

DebbieDoRight

February 18th, 2012
6:47 pm

kamchak @ 6:44 – that was from the great Live From Folsom Prison album from the late great Johnny Cash! A Classic!

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
6:47 pm

Alright dammit. What does EOI mean?

Oh and Bada, here is what you have been waiting for…………

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UJ5jD6OJiE

josef

February 18th, 2012
6:47 pm

ZamVet

Fiddler link won’t come up…south wind people eh, is that the English translation for f*rt blossoms? :-)

Kamchak

February 18th, 2012
6:51 pm

Fred

E O I?

Early
Onset
Ignorance

The General Lee and the CONFEDERACY is GONE WITH THE WIND

February 18th, 2012
6:52 pm

“That car is a piece of tv history. Anybody who gets offended by it needs to get a damn life.”

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Slavery is a piece of tv history in Gone With The Wind.

But we don’t want it shoved down our throat.

Brosephus™ - "Anything less would be uncivilized"

February 18th, 2012
6:55 pm

If Black America woke up one morning and discovered all of White America has just vanished, you and I both know the tears would be few and far between and the dancing for joy would literally shake the ground.

Dude, if White America just vanished, there would be tears galore from Black America. Do you have any idea of the number of Black Americans who also have White Americans on their family tree? That’s why anytime you post such bullsh*t as what you did earlier, I will continue to call you out for it. Why not quit dancing around things. If you don’t like Blacks, then just be honest and say so. Don’t try to build straw armies to fight in order to justify your prejudice. ALL people have a bias for/against something. Your’s just happens to be against Black Americans. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. As a Black American, I would respect you ten times as much if you were just honest and said you didn’t like me because of my enhanced melanin as opposed to trying to bullsh*t your way around it.

Fred ™

February 18th, 2012
6:58 pm

Brochephus: The color of your skin has nothing to do with my tendency not to like you. It’s your allegiance to BAMA that pisses me right the hell off…………….. :D

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

February 18th, 2012
6:58 pm

Well, here I am ready to go up to Billy Bob’s and Bookman had to go and make me mad. They won’t allow the General Lee on the racetrack? Well, f them that’s a shame people got so much bias against the South. That’s a mighty proud flag and if people don’t like it they can KMA that deserves to be recognized.

Anyways, I’d write more but I got to get going. It’s poker night up at Billy Bob’s and I don’t want to be late.

Have a good Saturday night all you losers that can’t get a date and the other folks that don’t have a life. Don’t forget to go to church tomorrow morning.

josef

February 18th, 2012
6:58 pm

DDR

You have to go digging deeper. There were several who were members of the regular army, armed, etc (see Douglass’ letter to Lincoln as a reference) They were armed and they did fight…40 of his freedmen rode with Forest and he credited one of them as being the genius behind his guerrilla tactics. You’ve got to remember that the Freedmen and gens de couleur saw their own interests as tied to the Confederate state. Also, many saw their cause as defending their homes and hearths, if not their country, against an invading army.

Slave literacy…this is one I’ve recently begun to look into. It appears that roughly 10% of ther slave population was literate. Here again, you have to remember that in the social structure of the slave community and the work force, literacy had its place, the ministry being one of the key ones, the need of literacy skills to perform certain tasks. The prohibition of literacy was widely ignored. If you look at the photographs in the archives of the slaves, you will find a good number of them show slaves with books open. Also the memoirs make a point of their pre emancipation literacy (again see Douglass). As to the armed, many of the unit and personal photographs of the Confederates show blacks armed and uniformed…

josef

February 18th, 2012
7:00 pm

DDR

Oh, before I forget, the 1888 applications in Mississippi did require that the applicant have been armed and faced fire in combat…which, doubtlessly, many if not most of the servants were…