A peek inside the presidential poll data

A new poll from Pew adds to the list of pollsters reporting good news for President Obama. It shows Obama leading Mitt Romney by eight points, 52-44, and Rick Santorum by 10 points.

But here are a few nuggets I found particularly interesting:

– Obama has a 21-point lead over both Romney and Santorum among women. The margin is 59-38 percent. Among men, Obama actually trails by five against Romney and three against Santorum. That’s a 26-point swing between men and women, and I don’t recall ever seeing a gender gap that large.

– In November, Romney had a 12-point lead in the Pew poll among independents. Today, Obama has a nine-point lead among that same group. That’s probably a function of the improving economy, and also testifies to the damage being done to Romney in the GOP primary. Republicans can hope that

  • when
  • if Romney seals the nomination, that may begin to change again, but we’ll see.

    – I think a lot of Georgia readers are a little stunned at the level of support showing up in the national polls for Obama, and you see indications of that surprise in the comments section. The Pew poll helps to explain that phenomenon.

    Among white voters, Obama leads or is tied against Romney in every every section of the country except one: The South, where he trails by 36 points, 29-65. Among white men nationally, Obama trails Romney by 24 points, 36-60. So if you’re a white Southern male who talks mainly to other white Southern males, you get a skewed sense of the national conversation.

    An important word of caution: I was leery of posting that final note because of where it might lead, but I did so because I think the data are interesting and we’re adult enough to deal with it. It’s important not to jump to the conclusion that race alone drives those numbers, although it would be equally foolish to claim that it plays no role whatsoever.

    The fact is, Democrats of any race tend to do poorly among white Southerners, just as Republicans do poorly among black voters. Obama merely intensifies both trends.

    Let’s try to keep this respectful.

    – Jay Bookman

    697 comments Add your comment

    Midori

    February 13th, 2012
    4:28 pm

    Midori

    February 13th, 2012
    4:30 pm

    The fact is, Democrats of any race tend to do poorly among white Southerners, just as Republicans do poorly among black voters. Obama merely intensifies both trends.

    The south, the south.

    ……………………………………………..

    Steve

    February 13th, 2012
    4:31 pm

    “So if you’re a white Southern male who talks mainly to other white Southern males, you get a skewed sense of the national conversation.”

    Or if you watch Faux News.

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    4:34 pm

    An important word of caution: I was leery of posting that final note because of where it might lead, but I did so because I think the data are interesting and we’re adult enough to deal with it.

    Well see.

    I fully expect to see the word “plantation” from one person in particular.

    Also, “the party of George Wallace” and “Robert Byrd dragon of the KKK.”

    AmVet - You cons have got to ask yourself one question: Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punks?

    February 13th, 2012
    4:35 pm

    Because of our antiquated electoral college, it really doesn’t much matter what the rural red states do.

    All of the states in the Midwest and Dixie combined will never equal the northeast, west coast and upper Midwest.

    And why John McCain II is going to see a very similar result as did his namesake…

    Midori

    February 13th, 2012
    4:35 pm

    Hi Kammy :)

    got your popcorn ready? :)

    Midori

    February 13th, 2012
    4:37 pm

    speaking of the EC AmVet, I wonder will our elected officials ever get off their duffs and do something to address that antiquity?

    Jay

    February 13th, 2012
    4:37 pm

    Steve, that would certainly compound it.

    And Kam, be the change that you seek in others?

    ty webb

    February 13th, 2012
    4:38 pm

    “I was leery of posting that final note…”

    tsk tsk Jay…you’ll get exactly what you want with that one.

    Brosephus

    February 13th, 2012
    4:40 pm

    The fact is, Democrats of any race tend to do poorly among white Southerners, just as Republicans do poorly among black voters. Obama merely intensifies both trends.

    So what if we Southerners march to the beat of a different drummer. He may not have any rhythm or technique, but he is OUR drummer!!!

    AmVet - You cons have got to ask yourself one question: Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punks?

    February 13th, 2012
    4:41 pm

    I have not read much about it, Midori, and I understand the concerns the Founding Fathers had with a popular vote, but rather than try to pollute that sacred document with their misogynistic and homophobic garbage, one would think that real conservatives would look at that as a possible worthwhile amendment…

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    4:42 pm

    Hiya, Midori! :wink:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    And Kam, be the change that you seek in others?

    I’m not sure how much time you spent next door and CT’s place, Jay….

    Jay

    February 13th, 2012
    4:42 pm

    I’d say the gender difference is as least as interesting as the Southern data. I find a 26-point swing remarkable.

    Paul

    February 13th, 2012
    4:42 pm

    If this campaign is an example of how Romney’s experience running a business will translate into success in running the government…..

    we may never know.

    Brosephus

    February 13th, 2012
    4:45 pm

    Paul

    Don’t disappoint the Romneymaniacs out there. Abrupt disappointment might be too much for them to handle. :)

    ByteMe

    February 13th, 2012
    4:48 pm

    Curious that the poll wasn’t able to come up with enough people in the 18-29 age group, which was a group that strongly supported Obama last time.

    Keep Up the Good Fight!

    February 13th, 2012
    4:48 pm

    The gender swing is not surprising given the “War on the Female” that the GOP continues to wage. I suspect it will be even greater by election time.

    Jay says to tell the truth (only as he sees it)

    February 13th, 2012
    4:50 pm

    TaxPayer
    February 13th, 2012
    4:36 pm

    the entire South and most other racist parts of the country was ran by good old Democrats.

    - -whom are now known as “good old Republicans”.- -

    That is an excellent point. Most cities in the South now have a Black Mayor and a mostly Black government. Blacks are no longer required to set in the back of buses. They have the same rights as Whites. That’s what happens when the democrats lose power and the Republicans gain power.

    Now if we can get Planned Parenthood to stop killing off the minorities before they are born and the democrats to stop buying off the Black churches before elections, we can make some real progress.

    Off to the gym.

    Nice touching base with you, Jay. I like what you are doing with the blog. Liberals always need a place where they are protected from intelligent people.

    Jay says to tell the truth (only as he sees it)

    February 13th, 2012
    4:51 pm

    Keep Up the Good Fight!

    – The War On The Female –

    LOL!!

    Sarah Palin.

    nuff said.

    Jay says to tell the truth (only as he sees it)

    February 13th, 2012
    4:51 pm

    Keep Up the Good Fight!

    – The War On The Female –

    LOL!!

    Sarah Palin.

    nuff said.

    Peadawg

    February 13th, 2012
    4:52 pm

    Kamchak
    February 13th, 2012
    4:34 pm

    We’ll let you be the first person to post those types of comments.

    godless heathen

    February 13th, 2012
    4:53 pm

    “So if you’re a white Southern male who talks mainly to other white Southern males, you get a skewed sense of the national conversation.”

    Jay, I don’t remember the specifics, but I believe it was a NE female who said after the 2004 election something like, “I can’t believe Bush got re-elected. I don’t know anybody that voted for him.”

    moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)

    February 13th, 2012
    4:53 pm

    Well that settles it.

    Obama will be the next prez.

    Maybe instead of burning all that campaign money, he will give it to charity?

    Naw, doubt it.

    Doggone/GA

    February 13th, 2012
    4:54 pm

    ” I wonder will our elected officials ever get off their duffs and do something to address that antiquity?”

    There isn’t anything that needs to be done with it. The problem is not the EC requirement. The problem is how the EC votes are distributed. It’s the “winner take all” approach in the states that distorts it so widely. If the states would simply change to a proprotional distribution of the votes, the EC would work out MUCH closer to the popular vote and in most election would mirror IT.

    That does not require a Constitutional change, it only requires election laws changes at the state level.

    Brosephus

    February 13th, 2012
    4:54 pm

    Nice touching base with you, Jay. I like what you are doing with the blog. Liberals always need a place where they are protected from intelligent people.

    Obviously, they don’t need to be protected from you, or else he would have banned you already. :lol:

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    5:00 pm

    We’ll let you…

    Thanks, peapup.

    Is there anything else that I have to get your permission?

    "Angry" White Republican Men Won't Vote For A Black Man

    February 13th, 2012
    5:00 pm

    Obama has a 21-point lead over both Romney and Santorum among women. The margin is 59-38 percent.

    Among men, Obama actually trails by five against Romney and three against Santorum.
    *******************************************************************************************************************

    The whole world now knows that the stereotypical image of a Black Man in the United States has been DEBUNKED by Obama.

    Although it was never an issue among white women. They saw a “man” who cares for all.

    And angry white men are livivd.

    Jay

    February 13th, 2012
    5:01 pm

    That would be the mirror image, godless.

    Bill Orvis White

    February 13th, 2012
    5:01 pm

    “So if you’re a white Southern male who talks mainly to other white Southern males, you get a skewed sense of the national conversation.”

    Sorry Liberal Jay, just cannot resist your bait here. My Bible study partner, Roosevelt and his entire family are of color and they many other folk of color are embarrassed of this “president.” I speak with all the women in my church and they are as equally disgusted with the direction that this so-called president took this country: from economic freedom to an unfair, burdensome tax system; from a business-friendly atmosphere to an “administration” that hates the struggling businessman; from a culture of life to a culture of a disrespect for human life; from a pro-American foreign policy to a Euro-centric international policy that waves the white flag of surrender; from an energy independent nation to one in which we will have no resources due to the enviro-whacko crowd.

    IT IS A FACT THAT WE ARE HEADED IN THE WRONG DIRECTION and poll after poll after poll confirms those facts that most of America KNOWS that we’re in uncertain times due to the Obama “administration’s” anti-businessism and pro-taxism.

    If the honorable Governor Willard “Mitt” Romney earns the GOP nomination, there IS NO DOUBT in my mind that he will easily win the presidency.

    Amen,
    Bill

    reebok

    February 13th, 2012
    5:04 pm

    Romney may still stagger to the nomination, but he’s toast in the general election. His ‘let the auto companies die’ comment alone will cost him Michigan, and Obama has a lock on the big electroal college prizes of New York, New Jersey and California. This looks a lot like Bill Clinton vs. Bob Dole in 1996.

    TaxPayer

    February 13th, 2012
    5:06 pm


    Jay says to tell the truth (only as he sees it)

    February 13th, 2012
    4:50 pm

    TaxPayer
    February 13th, 2012
    4:36 pm

    the entire South and most other racist parts of the country was ran by good old Democrats.

    - -whom are now known as “good old Republicans”.- -

    Your difficulty interpreting my response should be of concern to you especially if you had to pay for that “ability”. As a side note, you might also try replying on the thread that contains my post next time, you “intellectual”. :roll:

    Jay

    February 13th, 2012
    5:07 pm

    Actually, after a little digging, it appears SeesIt was most likely TruthBe, who was banned a while back for repeated and insistent namecalling, despite warnings.

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    5:11 pm

    Actually, after a little digging, it appears SeesIt was most likely TruthBe…

    Well, I was certainly wrong about that one.

    See jm, it’s really not that hard to say, “I was wrong.”

    Midori

    February 13th, 2012
    5:12 pm

    Actually, after a little digging, it appears SeesIt was most likely TruthBe…

    hard to tell as they all sound so much alike….

    TaxPayer

    February 13th, 2012
    5:15 pm

    Those Vietnam-era southern conservative white male evangelical Republicans pretty much all look alike to me. Once you’ve seen one stodgy Tea Party tool, you’ve seen ‘em all.

    Road Scholar

    February 13th, 2012
    5:18 pm

    BOW: BOO HOO!

    Brosephus

    February 13th, 2012
    5:19 pm

    My Bible study partner, Roosevelt and his entire family are of color and they many other folk of color are embarrassed of this “president.”

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Jay

    You should put these into a coffee table book. You’d make a killing.

    ByteMe

    February 13th, 2012
    5:19 pm

    This looks a lot like Bill Clinton vs. Bob Dole in 1996.

    Except that people respected Dole more.

    barking frog

    February 13th, 2012
    5:20 pm

    the road to the white house is littered with telephone polls…

    Jay

    February 13th, 2012
    5:22 pm

    That was back in early December, Thulsa.

    Time flies.

    saywhat?

    February 13th, 2012
    5:24 pm

    “So if you’re a white Southern male who talks mainly to other white Southern males, you get a skewed sense of the national conversation.”

    Like I posted in last thread, when the Republicans lose in 2012, help convince them its because “they weren’t conservative enough” (yeah, right) and they will eat it right up. Then watch as they move even further into the extreme wastelands of the right, convinced that it is what the country wants.

    Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

    February 13th, 2012
    5:24 pm

    Well, they come down here trying to change our good Southren way of doing things—-what did they expect we’d do? Why, we changed to Republican, that’s what we did. Anyhow, just like in the War of Northren Aggression, us Southreners will stand alone for what is right and good and godly. Sounds like those people in the North and Midwest and West just keep right on being wrong-headed about most everything.

    Now I got to admit we might be in a real big suprize come election day. And I just don’t understand it.

    Anyhow, it’s nothing that couldn’t be fixed by taking away the women’s vote. That was a big mistake right from the start. They hold it against a man if he does a manly thing like getting divorced a couple times or running around a little. And then they want to have their own way with this women’s rights junk.

    I’m real discouraged by this poll. We might be in for a real butt-kicking come November. It don’t look good. And worse than that, the day after the election here will come No. 1 Foxy Lady on this blog telling us all to . . . well, you know. We never had No. 1 Foxy Ladys back in the good old days.

    Have a good night everybody.

    barking frog

    February 13th, 2012
    5:25 pm

    Much to do has been made about the First Lady but I believe
    she is quite popular with female voters and will continue to be.

    AmVet - You cons have got to ask yourself one question: Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punks?

    February 13th, 2012
    5:25 pm

    Bob Dole is an old school, pre-chickenhawk Republican. A man of great courage, class and statesmanship. I’m certainly no Republican, but as a fellow Kansan, I respected the hell out of that guy.

    And just like they did with McCain and Hagel, these neo-cons hated him…

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    5:28 pm

    ty webb

    February 13th, 2012
    4:38 pm
    “I was leery of posting that final note…”

    tsk tsk Jay…you’ll get exactly what you want with that one
    ******

    Yep.

    Jay

    February 13th, 2012
    5:29 pm

    Just guessing here, BillyBob, but if you measure the deficit as a percentage of GDP, as many economists argue we should, it WILL have been cut from 10 percent in 2009 to 4.6 percent in 2013.

    Jefferson

    February 13th, 2012
    5:30 pm

    Anything can happen, don’t make any bets.

    jm

    February 13th, 2012
    5:31 pm

    Peadawg

    February 13th, 2012
    5:32 pm

    “Much to do has been made about the First Lady but I believe
    she is quite popular with female voters and will continue to be.”

    Not a female, but personally I can’t stand her. Her “first time I’ve been proud of my country” comment rubbed me the wrong way.

    Jay

    February 13th, 2012
    5:32 pm

    Really, Josef, Ty?

    Show me the posts that justify your cynicism.

    TaxPayer

    February 13th, 2012
    5:33 pm

    Just guessing here, BillyBob, but if you measure the deficit as a percentage of GDP, as many economists argue we should, it WILL have been cut from 10 percent in 2009 to 4.6 percent in 2013.

    Don’t give away all our secrets.

    jm

    February 13th, 2012
    5:34 pm

    Romney will win

    Women like sexy smooth talking guys. Like Obama. Who also happens to be an idiot.

    Brosephus

    February 13th, 2012
    5:36 pm

    Not a female, but personally I can’t stand her. Her “first time I’ve been proud of my country” comment rubbed me the wrong way.

    And how many times have you defended people that you like when they say something that’s taken out of context?

    Joe Hussein Mama

    February 13th, 2012
    5:38 pm

    Jay — “I’d say the gender difference is as least as interesting as the Southern data. I find a 26-point swing remarkable.”

    In your opinion, Jay, to what can that difference be attributed? Do you have a sense of what could be driving it?

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    5:39 pm

    JAY

    Oh, please…and before you get your Carpetbagger skivvies in such a knee-jerking wad. did I pass ANY comment on what you want? That’s your extrapolation… You’re being judgmental because, believe it or not, I was giving you credit at home for taking a rather respectful approach, even though you were “leery…” Well, Unmentionable was right…”just wait. He’ll read it the other way. They always do.” :-)

    Will you get what you want? Yep. Even if you do go passing judgment on your own backers who happen to be White Southern Males… jus’ sayin…

    Peadawg

    February 13th, 2012
    5:41 pm

    “And how many times have you defended people that you like when they say something that’s taken out of context?”

    Many times, I’m sure. But I don’t think you can sugarcoat her comment into “good” context. But that’s my opinion. Feel free to think otherwise.

    jm

    February 13th, 2012
    5:41 pm

    josef

    settle down tiger

    you’ve been on a rampage lately….

    BTW, Adam posted the “Crack is whack” line earlier today. Was waiting for you to lambast him…. :)

    jm

    February 13th, 2012
    5:42 pm

    Peadawg 5:41 I feel ya. I’m proud of my country for significant things several times a year usually.

    Forget about “first time in my life”…..

    Doggone/GA

    February 13th, 2012
    5:46 pm

    “Not a female, but personally I can’t stand her. Her “first time I’ve been proud of my country” comment rubbed me the wrong way”

    Well, it SHOULD have…since that is NOT what she said:

    “Speaking in Milwaukee, Wisconsin today, would-be First Lady Michelle Obama said, “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country because it feels like hope is finally making a comeback.”
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/02/michelle-obam-1-2/

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    5:47 pm

    Jm

    What’s the rampage? Just calling it as I see it and, truth be told, backing Jay if you go back and read what was said….

    Just because I had nothing better to do yesterday than feed your ego, is no reason to say I’m on a rampage…ornery, trouble making, sh*t stirring, EOI and such, but you don’t know what a rampage (or “one angry queen”) is…

    Curious Observer

    February 13th, 2012
    5:48 pm

    Many times, I’m sure. But I don’t think you can sugarcoat her comment into “good” context. But that’s my opinion. Feel free to think otherwise.

    So a white Southern male starts getting back some of the crap he’s been dishing out for years and years and he’s tres Po-ed.

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    5:48 pm

    Jm

    I wasn’t here for Adam’s post…

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    5:49 pm

    And Al Shariff…

    I’ll get back with you on this thread once it’s played out…not passing any judgment just yet…

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    5:50 pm

    Her “first time I’ve been proud of my country” comment rubbed me the wrong way.

    I’ll just bet that “Carpetbagger skivvies” rub the wrong way.

    But I don’t own a pair myself.

    Seems to me that carpet would be too thick a material for comfort.

    jm

    February 13th, 2012
    5:51 pm

    Michelle’s speech with more context (still sounds bad to me)

    What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I have seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues. It has made me proud.

    barking frog

    February 13th, 2012
    5:52 pm

    the gender swing could be because Romney has stated
    that he will repeal ACA and wants Roe v. Wade overturned…

    AmVet - You cons have got to ask yourself one question: Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punks?

    February 13th, 2012
    5:53 pm

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    5:58 pm

    AmVet

    Aw, why not? He’s fun and funny…love that link! Oh, and BTW, I really AM in a good mood today… :-)

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    6:00 pm

    BROSEPHUS

    Relative to Michelle’s comment…bad timing and bad choice of words, but something I can see any of us doing without thinking. Especially when new to the game. AND she hasn’t repeated that. Her demeanor and public statements have been the height of grace and decorum. I’ve actually become a fan.

    Peadawg

    February 13th, 2012
    6:01 pm

    Kamchak
    February 13th, 2012
    5:50 pm

    Aaaaand another retarded, incoherent rant……

    “for the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country ” – Thanks, Doggone for the exact quote. Sugarcoat it all you want. Try and put it into context however you want. It’s still a pretty (not sure what to put here) thing to say.

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    6:01 pm

    K’chak

    I’m all for carpetbag skivvies…keeps Dalton in bidness and good for the Georgia economy! :-)

    barking frog

    February 13th, 2012
    6:04 pm

    What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am REALLY proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I have seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues. It has made me proud.

    ————
    Remove really and the connotation changes drastically.

    George P. Burdell

    February 13th, 2012
    6:05 pm

    When Obama made his proclamation that he would cut the deficit in half by 2013, his own projections showed the deficit would be $533 billion, not $901 billion. And that $901 billion is based upon GDP growth of more than 7% over current levels, which isn’t very likely unless inflation kicks in. You can go back and dress it up any way you like to but at the time he made the claim he also put real estimates out there on dollars and percentages. You cannot then go back and recalculate percentages based upon actual numbers and say he has reached his promise, especially when your claim is based solely on further estimates for 2013. Furthermore, some people actually realize that provisions for the healthcare reform will start hitting the budget in 2014 which will worsen the deficit, not improve it. We are just now starting to hit the Baby Boomer problem with SS and Medicare and no one is addressing that issue either. It is certainly not all Obama’s fault, but this country is heading towards having no choice but to default on debt or inflate our way out of it. Sad thing is, either option will hit the poorest the hardest but most will not realize that until it is too late.

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    6:06 pm

    frog

    Really being an augmentative adverb…

    AmVet - You cons have got to ask yourself one question: Do you feel lucky? Well, do ya, punks?

    February 13th, 2012
    6:09 pm

    Of course Flip & the Neo-cons do poorly amongst educated, enlightened women.

    Look at their track record over the past forty years – they have been adamantly against equal pay for equal work by women, they constantly try to erode any rights to child care, women’s rights, etc and they would just love to bring back the days of the Coathanger abortionists…

    barking frog

    February 13th, 2012
    6:10 pm

    josef, or in this case an argumentative adverb…

    Joe Hussein Mama

    February 13th, 2012
    6:10 pm

    I find it fascinating how empahtically some folks are arguing to cast Mrs. Obama’s comment into a bad light when our previous President’s public comments were so rife with errors, malapropisms and just plain mistakes.

    That being said, I’m out. All be well, play nice and drive safely.

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    6:12 pm

    frog

    Well, a case could be made for that, too…was it said with a rising inflection or a falling one? That’s significant for interpreting…

    Peadawg

    February 13th, 2012
    6:15 pm

    What does Mrs. Obama’s comment have to do with Bush?

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    6:17 pm

    Poor peapup.

    That whooshing sound was the point sailing way above your head

    barking frog

    February 13th, 2012
    6:19 pm

    Peadawg

    February 13th, 2012
    6:20 pm

    “That whooshing sound was the point sailing way above your head”

    You’re absolutely correct.

    Bush was a bad President. Bush couldn’t talk right. We get it. But again, what does Mrs. Obama’s comment have to do w/ Bush?

    Mick

    February 13th, 2012
    6:20 pm

    “Southern man don’t need him around anyhow, does you conscience bother you?

    I’m going to have to side with our host on this one, why do the people of the south vote against their own interests? Is bill orvis really a comic book or is he a for real southern man? What’s so bizarro about this is that the blue states are overwhelming donor states to our red state country bumpkins. Now before I get josef all in a huff, I’m talking majority vs. minority views here. I live in the south, I love the south, some southerners are just slower to change, but its gonna come…

    Thulsa Doom

    February 13th, 2012
    6:21 pm

    Why is Jay surprised at the gender gap?There are more single mothers of children than ever. Of course they are going to vote Dem. They want more social spending programs because the men who fathered their kids, particularly in some demographics, simply don’t bother to help pay for raising those kids. Hence they expect the gubment to pick up the slack. Duh!Just another “uncomfortable truth”.

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    6:23 pm

    Bush was a bad President. Bush couldn’t talk right. We get it. But again, what does Mrs. Obama’s comment have to do w/ Bush?

    Where did I say it did?

    You just keep missing the point.

    Kegger partiers. :roll:

    getalife

    February 13th, 2012
    6:24 pm

    Great numbers the day of the election.

    A long way to go.

    Kamchak

    February 13th, 2012
    6:25 pm

    “Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”
    – Thomas Jefferson

    saywhat?

    February 13th, 2012
    6:25 pm

    The predictions of the Republicans turning into a regional party of the south seem to be coming true, slowly but surely.

    Peadawg

    February 13th, 2012
    6:27 pm

    “You just keep missing the point.”

    Then explain it to me instead of being a d*k. If that’s possible.

    Mick

    February 13th, 2012
    6:27 pm

    doom

    Crying in your milk about welfare? What are we talking about here, 15-20 billion? Small potatoes, get rid of the fraud, that we can agree on…

    saywhat?

    February 13th, 2012
    6:27 pm

    thulsa doom- “…because the men who fathered their kids, particularly in some demographics….”

    And exactly which demographics are “some”?

    barking frog

    February 13th, 2012
    6:28 pm

    saywhat?,6:25 and what shall they be called DixieCans?

    F. Sinkwich

    February 13th, 2012
    6:29 pm

    I’m guessing many of those polled have never heard of Romney, etc., until the pollsters called.

    Once the election becomes a duel between a free market conservative vs. a radical left-wing anti-American Marxist who wants to turn the greatest country the world has ever known into a Euro-socialist basket case, O’bozo loses big time.

    Thulsa Doom

    February 13th, 2012
    6:29 pm

    The surge won the war and so now we are seeing a peace dividend in lower deficits as a result of the Iraq war ending. Definitely W’s fault- Thomas Jefferson.

    josef

    February 13th, 2012
    6:29 pm

    frog

    Second speech, even tone, simply the modifying usage as in “quite proud,” “very proud,” “much proud” no especial weight to be applied to the usage…I’m really ready to go, you’re really on a roll today, I really need to put more bourbon in this drink…

    Mick
    Why would I get in a huff? But do take a look at such phrases as “country bumpkins.” Not a huff, just an observation…you say slower to change, can that not be a positive? The failure to capitalize South and Southerners…little, trivial and insignicant things in an of themselves, but in their aggregate, something entirely different can be construed…

    Thulsa Doom

    February 13th, 2012
    6:30 pm

    saywhat?

    Upper class conservative white women silly. Sheesh. Who the hell did you think I was talking about?

    Mick

    February 13th, 2012
    6:31 pm

    sink

    Your paranoia is glowing tonite, stay away from all mirrors, you might not like what you see…

    Thulsa Doom

    February 13th, 2012
    6:32 pm

    There was never a rational, logic point to be made to begin with- Thomas Jefferson.

    Thulsa Doom

    February 13th, 2012
    6:33 pm

    Mick,

    How much have the great society programs cost over the past 40 years? 16 trillion? Is that still small potatoes?

    F. Sinkwich

    February 13th, 2012
    6:35 pm

    Mick ignores reality…

    But all lib ilks do. No surprise there.