Bishops’ complaint an all-out war on contraception
I think it’s important to understand just what the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is demanding in its war against contraception coverage. Here’s USA Today on the matter:
The White House is “all talk, no action” on moving toward compromise, said Anthony Picarello, general counsel for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. “There has been a lot of talk in the last couple days about compromise, but it sounds to us like a way to turn down the heat, to placate people without doing anything in particular,” Picarello said. “We’re not going to do anything until this is fixed.”
That means removing the provision from the health care law altogether, he said, not simply changing it for Catholic employers and their insurers. He cited the problem that would create for “good Catholic business people who can’t in good conscience cooperate with this.”
“If I quit this job and opened a Taco Bell, I’d be covered by the mandate,” Picarello said.
In other words, the bishops are not merely demanding that church-affiliated organizations be exempted from the requirement that contraception be covered in health insurance. They are insisting that the contraception requirement be abolished altogether.
The proposed legislative fix endorsed by the bishops, HR 1179, makes that explicitly clear. It states that no insurer or employer can be required to provide coverage if paying for such coverage “is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the sponsor, issuer, or other entity offering the plan; or (if) such coverage (in the case of individual coverage) is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.”
Again, that is not a fix limited to churches or church-affliated organizations. It would prohibit the contraception requirement across the board, for every employer and insurer.
If you had any doubts about how political this all is, that ought to resolve them. Twenty-eight states, including conservative Georgia, have had laws on the books for years that require contraceptives be covered, with not a squeak of protest or complaint.
And yet now it becomes a threat to religious liberty?
– Jay Bookman
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Kentucky Jacket
February 9th, 2012
3:18 pm
They Both Suck,
And I do understand better now the point you were trying to make after rereading your post, and honestly I don’t have time to get into it now, but can later if you’d like. The point is that for example while we no longer stone someone for adultry, doesn’t make adultry ok.
Fred
February 9th, 2012
3:18 pm
Hey Bosch. Long time no see. Still got them goof y dogs and useless iphone?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
3:18 pm
We’ve been hearing the $5 a gallon gas meme since before the 2008 election. “If we elect Obama we will have $5 gas and yada yada yada.”
yawn
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:19 pm
Talkign Head: whoops just typed a personal peeve of mine, i meant ‘their’ not ‘there’..can’t stand that
The beauty of this blog is no one is going to give you crap for that.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:19 pm
“So you follow OLD TESTAMENT to the letter as you say?”
So, do you also believe in slavery, killing unruly children, and not eating shrimp? Do you also not wear poly/cotton blend? Because anyone tells me I can’t have shrimp, they are just crazy.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
3:19 pm
For those who care to add their voice to protect access to birth control.
http://emilyslist.org/action/add_your_voice_protect_birth_control_for_millions_of_women_mojo
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
3:20 pm
barking frog – “Butch 3:14, and harvey, I have, I can, and I will continue to do so.
I do too. I was just pointing out to harvey that we don’t get to pick and choose how our tax money is distributed. Unfortunately, America isn’t a Burger King where you always get to have it your way.
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:20 pm
Deuteronomy 22:11
Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together.
22:22
If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
Kentucky………… Let me know if you need more
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:20 pm
Kamchak: Gotta think it’s from a chain email.
Rush or Hannity is my wager.
Get Real
February 9th, 2012
3:20 pm
mm…”The DOW is closing in on 13000. Unemployment is down. Unemployment filings are down. Taxes are at record lows. Corporate profits are at record highs.
No wonder the GOP is manufacturing social issues”
Thank goodness a GOP lead House has stopped the liberal maddeness..you are only kidding yourself
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
3:21 pm
Bosch, step away from the shrimp.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:21 pm
Fred,
The pups (who are almost two now) are NOT goofy! They are the finest canine creatures ever born on this rock we call Earth.
And yes, I still have the useless iPhone.
Yeah, I’m not around these parts much anymore, I am now a capitalist pig business owner, and, shockingly, I have to work!!! Taking a break at the moment.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
3:22 pm
Butch Cassidy,
ROmney worked with a Dem legislature and as far as I can remember Mass. senators have been Ds, the state legislature has been D, the gov. right now is D. Its pretty well dominated by the Ds in Mass.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:22 pm
Finn,
No.
Aquagirl
February 9th, 2012
3:22 pm
whoops just typed a personal peeve of mine, i meant ‘their’ not ‘there’..can’t stand that
At this blog, that’s the only thing we can all agree on.
Frankly, the vast number of children unable to distinguish between “their,” “there,” and “they’re” is one of the best arguments for population control. We’re living in total anarchy, dang it.
AmVet -
February 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
(ir), it’s pretty much the same old song and dance.
i.e., my mythology can kick your mythology’s ___. And therefore deserves special dispensation from our secular government!
To me it’s the blogging equivalent of basketball before the shot clock…
Boring…………..boring……………boring…
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
They Both Suck,
Get Real is demonstrating the well known behavior round these parts known as “when something good happens, it is the ones on my team.”
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:23 pm
Kentucky Jacket
Thanks for your reply. You are indeed selectiv when you want the Bible to be the “letter of the law” and when you want to interpret.
That is your prerogative; however I knew that was the case by your earlier post.
No big deal………….. Wasn’t like I expected anything different.
Thanks again for your reply and clarification
md
February 9th, 2012
3:24 pm
“We’ve been hearing the $5 a gallon gas meme since before the 2008 election”
Not saying it will get there, but IF Israel does strike as it is hinted, and Iran does block the Straight, that $5 gas may very well materialize……..
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
3:24 pm
Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together.
Furthermore, thou shalt not wear two striped garments at the same time
Also, this is a good one – Thou shalt have socks chosen to match the shoes, not the slacks.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:25 pm
“but IF Israel does strike as it is hinted”
If Israel strikes Iran, it will be demolished within the next following hour……they know that, won’t happen.
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:25 pm
Adam – I went to some sort of convention when I was in HS and they went around the room and asked everyone what they called soda. It was interesting to see how that matched with different areas of the county. I have one complaint I guess, if you could call it that, from the link you posted. Their conclusion was way off. People who call it “pop” are by no means cooler. If anything, they should be chastised and ignored for their ridiculous accents.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:25 pm
(ir)Rational:
Kamchak
February 9th, 2012
3:26 pm
“Thou shalt not wear white after Labor Day.”
– Thomas Jefferson
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:26 pm
Bosch — “So, do you also believe in slavery, killing unruly children, and not eating shrimp? Do you also not wear poly/cotton blend? Because anyone tells me I can’t have shrimp, they are just crazy.”
Just be an atheist. Then you wear whatever fabrics you like and eat all the shrimp you want.
Personally, I find all this scripture-tossing to be very much akin to a nerdrage argument over whether Kirk or Picard made the better Captain of the USS Enterprise.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
3:27 pm
“Speaking of legal, I hope you’re in Vegas or Atlantic City right now, bookie”.
Yes. Of course. As if I’m making real bets. (shrugging, pointing, laughing)
Soothsayer
February 9th, 2012
3:27 pm
I don’t care anything about the religious aspects of this issue. What I object to is everyone having to pay for contraceptives on their health insurance policies.
It seems like it would be a lot cheaper for those people who actually want contraceptives to just go out and buy them rather than involving the insurance companies. Same thing for “blue pills.”
md
February 9th, 2012
3:27 pm
“If Israel strikes Iran, it will be demolished within the next following hour……they know that, won’t happen.”
Who knows that and what’s to stop them??
Kentucky Jacket
February 9th, 2012
3:27 pm
As i said, I don’t have time to get into the Old Testament vs New Testament right now, but I will post something later…
And I think some words are getting misunderstood…so let me ask you Bosch and Both:
Are you saying that it doesn’t matter what the Old Testament says if you don’t follow all of it to the letter? (Which is where the selectie part came from)?
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:28 pm
Joe,
Yeap, me too. People who base their whole lives on a 5000 year old book, well, that’s just something. I personally find more life knowledge in “the Tau of Pooh.”
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:28 pm
MD
Gas prices would go up in the short term…. no doubt.
With that said; how long do you think the straight will be closed.
Lets see: Saudi Arabia, Qatar, US, UK, Germany, France, India will all have something to say about that……….
Let’s turn down the talking point rhetoric and have a common sense dialogue about this issue
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:29 pm
(ir)Rational — “People who call it “pop” are by no means cooler. If anything, they should be chastised and ignored for their ridiculous accents.”
My Appalachian hillbilly relatives call it “pop,” but in throaty way that sounds more like “pawp.” My West Coast wife calls it “soda.” Wifey thinks it’s funny that all sweet, carbonated drinks down here are “co-colers,” even the orange-flavored ones.
md
February 9th, 2012
3:29 pm
“People who call it “pop” are by no means cooler.”
Cooler weather maybe…..up North it’s “pop”, down south it’s “coke”…..no matter the beverage, it’s still “coke”.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
3:30 pm
“I lack original thinking. Therefore I do Thomas Jefferson quotes on the Bookman blog”- anonymous lib sheeple
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:30 pm
Kentucky
I am not a Christian. You are more then welcome to be selective if you like. I mentioned that it was your prerogative. I just wanted to show and I did show that you are selective when you want to throw out scripture.
I’m good with that……… Carry on
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
3:31 pm
Kentucky Jacket – “As i said, I don’t have time to get into the Old Testament vs New Testament right now”
I always wonderd if God is all knowing and is the end all, be all, why he gave himself a do-over with the New Testament. Wouldn’t it have been easier to just do the New Testament first and make that the one you should follow? You know, kind of like making the amplifier go to 10 and make 10 the loudest. ” These all go to 11″.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:31 pm
Bosch — “the Tau of Pooh.”
Got that on a bookshelf down near the bar, along with “The Te of Piglet.”
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:31 pm
Kentucky Jacket,
I’m saying, if you are gonna base your opinions on cherry picked scripture, and ignore the rest, then that’s hypocritical at best, ignorant at worst. Why let a book that was put together by a corrupt institution only to empower themselves dictate your life?
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
3:31 pm
fictitious ones of course- anonymous lib sheeple
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:32 pm
AmVet – Basketball is boring before the shot clock, after the shot clock, pretty much always. Annoying too. I can’t watch it with the noise on (I can barely stand to watch it without) because of all the squeaking.
md
February 9th, 2012
3:33 pm
They b s,
Let’s not kid ourselves here……a barrel of oil goes up rapidly on the market on the “rumor” of problems in the ME……..nothing has to actually happen to spook the market.
Now, crank up an actual theater over there and the market is going to remain calm??
Kamchak
February 9th, 2012
3:35 pm
“Maybe she’s born with it. Maybe it’s Maybelline.”
– Thomas Jefferson
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:35 pm
Yes, and what They Both Suck wrote, you can do whatever you like, but if you are going to tell us that you homosexuals are sinners based on what you read in the Bible, that the Bible is always correct, or whatever, then you can not ignore the rest of what it says.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:37 pm
Doom — “(shrugging, pointing, laughing)”
Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
AmVet -
February 9th, 2012
3:37 pm
(ir), that is true. And I should have mentioned that up front.
Being a native born Jayhawker, I used to be mildly interested in Rock,Chalk, Jayhawk (KU!) basketball but lost interest long ago, and haven’t watched a game, college, pro, or women’s, in a LONG time.
Notwithstanding some minor interest in the NHL, now that college football is over, these are the dark days before baseball begins anew…
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:37 pm
And thus people started talking about pop vs soda.
\o/
Corey
February 9th, 2012
3:38 pm
Georgia included in $25B foreclosure settlement Georgia and 48 other states have reached a $25 billion deal with major lenders who have agreed to reduce mortgage loans and reimburse customers who became victims of overzealous foreclosures.
The deal would mean loan reductions for nearly 1 million U.S. households and $2,000 checks to about 750,000 homeowners who were the victims of improper foreclosures
Recon 2533 1811
February 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/08/republicans-target-child-tax-break-for-illegal-immigrants/
I wonder how many lib’s on here would agree that this is an outrage and we need to close this loop hole ASAP?
stands for decibels
February 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
One of the most prominent feminists to champion the eugenic agenda was Margaret Sanger
Don’t forget to Photoshop the sheet and the burning cross!
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
Before I leave, I haven’t been around, don’t know if you guys have talked about Syria, but the next time one of you wingnuts start in about how Obama is a tyrannical dictator who wants to ruin the country, I hope you choke on your own spit.
Your faux outrage is pathetic in light of men, women, and children being actively and unapologetically slaughtered by their own government in Syria. Chew on that.
Terrence
February 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
“The worlds a crazy place man.”
The more the feds get involved, the crazier it will become.
“Because they provide lots of health care services for low men and women.”
Sigmund slips.
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
JHM – Well, I still say they should be chastised for their accents. I grew up calling everything “coke.” Then I went on my first trip outside the South and started getting Coca Cola in restaurants and was really upset til my parents explained that they were ignorant (at least that is how I remember it). Now I ask for what I want, or generically call it soda (so the ignorant masses know what I’m referring to).
md – My favorite “Yankeeism” came from a mall somewhere in New England when my mom asked for a bottle water, and they said they didn’t have any, but they had a “water bubbler” right around the corner. Took me a while to figure out he was talking about a drinking fountain.
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:40 pm
md
If you read my post, I didn’t say it will “remain calm”. However unlike many on the “right”, I do not think this notion that Iran can shut down the straight is something that will last very long. Other countries will increase production and the straight will not be closed for too many days.
To your point, will prices increase? yes Will it last and be the catastrophic event that some Fox and radio pundits have been saying for 5 or 6 years now? no
Iran is ratcheting up the rhetoric because the sanctions are working. Whether they have the ability to launch a nuke, I do not have that info. When I look at Iran’s past, outside of supporting proxies (Hamas and Hezbollah), they are not exactly into invading or bombing other countries.
With my limited knowledge I can’t say exactly what they will or will not do; however I do have to take more than just rhetoric into account when formulating my opinion on this issue
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:40 pm
Corey: SWEET!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
3:40 pm
“The tendency to whining and complaining about my greatest quotes may be taken as the surest sign symptom of little souls and inferior intellects” — Thomas Jefferson to the sheeples
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:41 pm
Recon: I wonder how many lib’s on here would agree that this is an outrage and we need to close this loop hole ASAP?
Well I agree it is an outrage. (Assuming it’s legit).
But I also wonder if/when Obama says we should do something about it, how many Republicans will run to the podium to be on the opposite side of that issue somehow.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:42 pm
Recon — “I wonder how many lib’s on here would agree that this is an outrage and we need to close this loop hole ASAP?”
I wonder how many cons on here would admit that okay, illegals really *DO* pay taxes?
Kentucky Jacket
February 9th, 2012
3:43 pm
Bosch and Both,
I follow what you are saying, and how that came across. The whole point of the initial post was to counter the arguement made earlier that homosexuality and abortion are not spoken out against in the Bible, but I can also see that the way I did it appeared to be cherry picking verses and throwing them out there. While I don’t feel I used them out of context, I do see your point of view.
I do HAVE to go now, but I will give a better, more thoughtful response to the questions you both posed of me later (hopefully tonight).
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:43 pm
Iran cannot close the strait. We have ships there and they already know that an attack on the US Navy or any of the ships that get the oil is stupid.
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:43 pm
AmVet – Last time I watched an entire game of basketball was my freshman year of college. GT went to the national championship game (actually, it only appeared that they went to half of the national championship game) and got slaughtered by UConn. I tried a few more times after that, but I wasn’t really that interested in it then. You just couldn’t be on campus and not be disturbed by it (all the screaming and shouting and fireworks and whatnot during the NCAA tourny were really detrimental to my studying habits.)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
3:44 pm
Its a tonic not a coke or pop in the same areas that use bubbler, frappe, and jimmies.
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:45 pm
Keep – Whoever/where ever that is seems to be screwed up. Where would they talk that crazy?
jewcowboy
February 9th, 2012
3:45 pm
Meh…chuck ‘em when they are eggs or chuck ‘em when they are embryo’s…it doesn’t affect me much. But I would think that if someone was ardently opposed to abortion, then they would be interested in making sure the need for an abortion does not arise.
Of course I do also do not have 2000 years of dogma that I need to justify…
Ernest T. Bass
February 9th, 2012
3:46 pm
The Catholic Church . Ha.
This is the same group that knew about Priests raping children and covered it up.
This is the same group that just forgave Galileo in 1992.
This is the same group that insisted that the sun went around the earth and not the other way around.
This is the same group that preaches that using a condom is a sin in poor countries where they are in desperate need of birth control.
Most Catholics are normal folks but their leadership is horrible.
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
Recon
I would have to agree. With that said, there is no Pres going to work to round up all illegals. Not Bush, Obama………… They probably will not be POTUS, however Romney and Newt will not do much either.
I’m ready for the government to get illegals, legal working status and on the tax pay roll; as well as a more stringent effort to go after businesses hiring illegals. Probably will not happen, but I can wish
Normal
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
Here’s some good Christian love for ya…
http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/westboro-baptist-church-stage-anti-gay-protest-pow/nHYhF/
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
(ir)Rational — “md – My favorite “Yankeeism” came from a mall somewhere in New England when my mom asked for a bottle water, and they said they didn’t have any, but they had a “water bubbler” right around the corner. Took me a while to figure out he was talking about a drinking fountain.”
Once they actually let you start talking to your fellow trainees in boot camp, there are all sorts of moments like this. Right near the end of training, when they let us buy small radios in the PX, several of us were talking about what sort of music we liked as we unpackaged our booty and put batteries in them. One fellow from the Boston area proclaimed that his favorite band was “Hot,” a group no one else had ever heard of. He was mystified and eventually infuriated that no one else knew who “Hot” was.
Turned out he was talking about “Heart,” but all that New England in his voice got in the way.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
(ir)….. try the places where a shot was heard round the world…… what are you against America and Paul Revere…. you commie!
md
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
“With my limited knowledge I can’t say exactly what they will or will not do; however I do have to take more than just rhetoric into account when formulating my opinion on this issue”
Me too. it’s called logic.
Iran’s theocracy is a dictatorship…..no different than Syria, Libya, etc…..the big difference…..they operate off belief vs mere power……..
Logic dictates that if their homicide bombers have no problem going boom with little bombs, a bigger bomb would be a wet dream. And what drives the dream? Certainly nothing of this world.
Again, one is only kidding themselves if they think the theocracy will go down without a fight…..a fight they beieve takes them to a better place…….
look at the last 2 days on this blog to see evidence of how strong beliefs really are………
jewcowboy
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
“Of course I do also do not have 2000 years of dogma that I need to justify…”
Muddled grammar alert! Apologies.
Recon 2533 1811
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
“Your faux outrage is pathetic in light of men, women, and children being actively and unapologetically slaughtered by their own government in Syria. Chew on that.”
Yes, and on a far larger scale than Libya. I wonder why Obama gives the Syrian government a pass.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:48 pm
md: Certainly nothing of this world.
I disagree.
paulo977
February 9th, 2012
3:48 pm
Again, that is not a fix limited to churches or church-affliated organizations. It would prohibit the contraception requirement across the board, for every employer and insurer
______________________________________________________
This is what RC is all about ….everyone on planet Earth has to be saved otherwise the sinners, ,who use contraceptives , will be doomed to HELL!!!
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 9th, 2012
3:48 pm
Recon 2533 1811
February 9th, 2012
3:39 pm
One question….what do you do about the children who are citizens?
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:50 pm
Recon,
“I wonder why Obama gives the Syrian government a pass.”
He’s not. I heard Ambassador Rice call for Assad’s resignation.
We played a minor part in the mission against Lybia. Take your outrage to the UN, blame the people who are responsible. Of, like usual, just blame everything on Obama.
jewcowboy
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
paulo977,
“This is what RC is all about ….everyone on planet Earth has to be saved otherwise the sinners, ,who use contraceptives , will be doomed to HELL!”
Maybe they just need more young un’s to molest.
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
JHM – Yeah, I’ve always wanted to go to Boston (yeah, I managed to hit New England including a large part of Mass without getting to Boston), but the Mrs. just can’t stand the accent.
Keep – I’m very much against their accents. I like their baseball team though. Would like to visit for the history. Loves me some history.
Normal – I typically try to stay out of the religion fights, but representing those quacks as an example of anything Christian is like trying to say the Pope was responsible for the Holocaust. You could make a case for it, but everyone would know you’re trying too hard, and just being ridiculous.
paulo977
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
Normal
February 9th, 2012
3:47 pm
Here’s some good Christian love for ya…
________________________________________
Wonder how Christ would deal with this?
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
Normal – Used the wrong word, I shouldn’t have said responsible for, maybe “implicit” instead.
jewcowboy
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
Howdy Bosch!
It’s been a while. How ya been?
Normal
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
Yes, and on a far larger scale than Libya. I wonder why Obama gives the Syrian government a pass.
When the UN, as it did in Libya, decides to act, I’m sure President Obama will give all the support he can, as he did in Libya. That is all he can do. We really don’t want to send our children into another “America Only” war, do we?
md
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
“Iran cannot close the strait. We have ships there and they already know that an attack on the US Navy or any of the ships that get the oil is stupid.”
Yes Adam, we have ships there……and they have missiles that can take out those ships…..
I don’t think “stupid” enters into the equation……most war is “stupid”.
jconservative
February 9th, 2012
3:52 pm
Not just the Catholic Church:
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, February 8, 2012,
One of the most influential evangelical leaders in the United States says Christians should go to jail rather than comply with the Obama administration’s mandate to provide all contraception, including abortion-inducing drugs, in their health care plans.
Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission (ERLC), told LifeSiteNews.com “we will not comply” with the Dept. of Health and Human Services’ mandate requiring religious institutions to cover abortifacient products such as Plan B, Ella, and the IUD.
“We want the law changed, or else we’re going to write our letters from the Nashville jail, just like Dr. King wrote his from the Birmingham jail,” Dr. Land said.
——————–
I can’t wait until the FBI starts locking up 270 Catholic Bishops and hundreds of Baptist, Methodist,and other Christian ministers.
But then Christians have been persecuted for thusands of years. This will pass also.
md
February 9th, 2012
3:53 pm
“md: Certainly nothing of this world.
I disagree.”
You would Adam……so, tell us why they blow themselves up? The promise of a new house and shiny car?
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:53 pm
Oh, and Keep – that’s a first. I don’t believe anyone has ever (even jokingly) called me a commie…
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:53 pm
md: I don’t think “stupid” enters into the equation……most war is “stupid”.
Stupid does enter into it, or rather Iran’s lack of stupid when it comes to war/conflict with the US. They do not want that, despite their bluster. They have seen what happens when you pick on the U.S. and the fact that Obama is in the White House doesn’t change that at all, especially considering things like Seal Team 6 and drones….
Because of ALL THAT and more, they will NOT be able to close the strait, nor will they try.
jewcowboy
February 9th, 2012
3:54 pm
“Wonder how Christ would deal with this?”
By handing out silphium
stands for decibels
February 9th, 2012
3:54 pm
One fellow from the Boston area proclaimed that his favorite band was “Hot,” a group no one else had ever heard of. He was mystified and eventually infuriated that no one else knew who “Hot” was.
And I’m flashing back to an early business meeting with a guy in a Boston suburb who wanted to know if I had a cod.
I’m thinking, “like… a fish? a pet fish?”
He got kinda hrrumphy and said, “no, a cod. A business cod.”
Normal
February 9th, 2012
3:54 pm
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:51 pm
All I know is that they say they are doing what they are doing “in the name of God”…
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:55 pm
md
Please keep in mind…. there is a huge difference in brainwashing OTHERS to blow themselves up vs one blowing himself up for Allah or any other God.
The Mullahs and Clerics who run “Mr Members Only jacket” out to say Israel is this or that, we will do this or that……….. Like power just politicians and leaders have since the beginning of time. Of course there are those who want Israel destroyed, but wanting something and doing it my friend isn’t the same game. I don’t see the top Mullahs and Clerics deciding all to die, because havoc will be reigned down on them, so Israel can be nuked
Boris Badnoff
February 9th, 2012
3:55 pm
First The Big Government took over the Auto Industry, Health Care, Big Business, the schools, etc. Now Big Government wants to control religion. Is there anything left? What is it about liberals that they can’t stand the thought of anyone being allowed to do as they wish? I stand with my Catholic brethren. I am a devout Druid and I will dance naked in the moonlight on Summer Solstice and there is nothing you left wing tyrants can do about it.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:55 pm
Hi ya’ jewcowboy, hanging in there! Being a capitalist pig is hard work.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:55 pm
md: so, tell us why they blow themselves up? The promise of a new house and shiny car?
Just because they have made up in their head that they will have a reward that is not of this world does not mean that the desire to blow oneself up and ignore all consequences to threatening action is not completely bound to the world we live in. It is a fact of their DNA and upbringing and has nothing to do with some outside supernatural influence.
Kamchak
February 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
“Lizzie Proctor is in league with the Devil!”
– Thomas Jefferson
jewcowboy
February 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
“But then Christians have been persecuted for thusands of years.”
Poor wittle xtians…I weep for your persecution.
paulo977
February 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
3:19 pm
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Signed
Recon 2533 1811
February 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
“We played a minor part in the mission against Lybia.”
Bosch, I beg to differ, we played a major role. First of all we got it started, took a backseat role and when NATO began failing, we stepped back in again. If we had not stepped back in the outcome in all probability would have been much different.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Bosch — “We played a minor part in the mission against Lybia.”
IIRC, we pulled back from a combatant role in Libya as the 90-day War Powers Act limit approached. The Act is fuzzy on what, exactly, involves ‘deploying troops overseas into combat,’ so we kept our air crews out of Libyan airspace and concentrated on playing Big Daddy Support by providing fueling and maintenance services as well as lots of high-speed intelligence and surveillance for our allies who were still performing combat missions. It seems that the President complied with the letter of the act, though whether he complied with the spirit of it is debatable.
IMO, it was a pretty fine distinction and possibly amounted to hairsplitting, but it seemed to mollify Congress — as they seemed to lose interest in debating the issue any further once the President took our involvement down to that level.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Ok, break time over….keep it real blog peeps! Later!
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:56 pm
Bosch: Being a capitalist pig is hard work.
Tell me about it….