Bishops’ complaint an all-out war on contraception
I think it’s important to understand just what the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is demanding in its war against contraception coverage. Here’s USA Today on the matter:
The White House is “all talk, no action” on moving toward compromise, said Anthony Picarello, general counsel for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. “There has been a lot of talk in the last couple days about compromise, but it sounds to us like a way to turn down the heat, to placate people without doing anything in particular,” Picarello said. “We’re not going to do anything until this is fixed.”
That means removing the provision from the health care law altogether, he said, not simply changing it for Catholic employers and their insurers. He cited the problem that would create for “good Catholic business people who can’t in good conscience cooperate with this.”
“If I quit this job and opened a Taco Bell, I’d be covered by the mandate,” Picarello said.
In other words, the bishops are not merely demanding that church-affiliated organizations be exempted from the requirement that contraception be covered in health insurance. They are insisting that the contraception requirement be abolished altogether.
The proposed legislative fix endorsed by the bishops, HR 1179, makes that explicitly clear. It states that no insurer or employer can be required to provide coverage if paying for such coverage “is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the sponsor, issuer, or other entity offering the plan; or (if) such coverage (in the case of individual coverage) is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.”
Again, that is not a fix limited to churches or church-affliated organizations. It would prohibit the contraception requirement across the board, for every employer and insurer.
If you had any doubts about how political this all is, that ought to resolve them. Twenty-eight states, including conservative Georgia, have had laws on the books for years that require contraceptives be covered, with not a squeak of protest or complaint.
And yet now it becomes a threat to religious liberty?
– Jay Bookman
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ragnar danneskjold
February 9th, 2012
2:29 pm
HR 1179 looks like a pretty rational middle ground, creates a “rider” for such coverages. If one wants the coverage, one purchases it; if one does not, one is not obliged to subsidize the abomination. Since it is a reasonably intelligent middle solution, we can rely on leftists to object. Not with any reason, just object.
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
2:29 pm
pat – “It’s all hate speech, you’re the hypocrites. ”
I’m sorry, the Catholic Church didn’t spend decades covering up the abuses of it’s clergy and the contraceptive provision hasn’t in effect in multiple states including Georgia since long before Obama signed on?
My deepest apologies, I guess I have truly been mislead.
Libertarian
February 9th, 2012
2:30 pm
willie lynch
February 9th, 2012
2:28 pm
a) I didn’t say anything about “conservatives” in my post—they have a lot of hypocrites too
b) I believe in both, because I believe in personal liberty…I’m not a hypocrite.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
2:31 pm
Steel isn’t strong, boy, flesh is stronger !
– Thomas “Doom and Gloom” Jefferson
Excellent! Nice one taxpayer. Very nice! Perhaps my favorite quote from Thulsa Doom.
Recon 2533 1811
February 9th, 2012
2:31 pm
The lefties on here have been drinking group think Kool-Aid by the gallon on this issue. If Obama and company say we’ll get the lefts vote anyway, so lets cave on this issue and give the religious organizations a pass with this mandate, how will Jay spin it and how will his group think minions react. Could be interesting. Anyway I’m out for the afternoon.
Get Real
February 9th, 2012
2:32 pm
Obama is digging a deep hole, I hope for all our sskes (whether you realize it or not) he keeps digging
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
2:32 pm
The girl down the street is 25-30, single, and I’ld be shocked if she aint doing the naughty. I gotta run down their and give her my $25 share this month to pay for her birth control if indeed she is on the pill.
Ahhh Mr Speedo trying to exhibit his unwanted wares and having to pay to get people to look……. talk about offended…..
pat
February 9th, 2012
2:32 pm
Thanks for making my point Butch. Jay set this up for people like you to continually dredge up 50 year old cases to spray your hate filled vile all over.
TaxPayer
February 9th, 2012
2:33 pm
Forgive me, canon, for I have foddered! – Thomas “Doom and Gloom” Jefferson
Mick
February 9th, 2012
2:33 pm
recon
I’ll give you an answer right now, I could care less either way, it’s a a non issue for me…
AmVet -
February 9th, 2012
2:33 pm
You self-pious cons are a real hoot. Transparent, hypocritical, inconsistent and intellectually dishonest as hell.
Is it any wonder that my tribe consistently votes against you 80% or more of the time?
Selah…
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
2:34 pm
pat – “Jay set this up for people like you to continually dredge up 50 year old cases to spray your hate filled vile all over.”
I don’t need Jay to do that. Hell man, I’m a Lutheran. We’ve been trashing the Catholic Church for centuries.
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:34 pm
“And conservatives want you to fight to the death for the right to own a gun, but don’t want a woman to have the right to choose what she does with her own body.”
If my girlfriend and I were to get pregnant and she had an abortion, can I take her to court for killing our child?
mm
February 9th, 2012
2:34 pm
You wingnuts are pathetic. Every single day you are whining about something being unconstitutional.
Get Real
February 9th, 2012
2:35 pm
Recon…don’t bother, it is a rigged deck on this blog as the liberal minions have a place to play all day long…keeps them out of trouble
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
2:36 pm
lets cave on this issue and give the religious organizations a pass with this mandate, how will Jay spin it and how will his group think minions react.
Win some, lose some. We will live. We don’t have to put every little grievance on a bumper sticker like some folks…
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
2:36 pm
Get Real – “it is a rigged deck on this blog as the liberal minions have a place to play all day long”
As long as you guys keep feeding us BS, I guess we’ll never starve.
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 9th, 2012
2:37 pm
“There are a lot of hypocritical liberals on this blog and in this country. They want freedom for some, not all.”
ummmm isnt this about freedom for all to to be covered..if they want?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
2:37 pm
T. Head — “If my girlfriend and I were to get pregnant and she had an abortion, can I take her to court for killing our child?”
Give it a try and report back to us on that.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
2:38 pm
Taxpayer @2:33,
That was mildly amsuing. I’m actually smiling at that one. Didn’t fall outta my chair laughing mind you but I got a light chuckle out of it.
Tommy Maddox
February 9th, 2012
2:38 pm
I ran a little Lexis Georgia search for the term “contraceptives” The first thing I found was a photo of Nancy Pelosi – guaranteed to cause anyone to refrain from the process of reproduction.
Next was OCGA §33-24-59.6. It states that HEALTH BENEFIT POLICIES [not EMPLOYERS] are required to include coverage in policies written in Georgia. Apparently Georgia does not have a mandate upon employers [maybe they do if they are a self-insured entity - it does not say].
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
2:38 pm
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission voted 4-to-1 to grant a license to build two nuclear reactors in Georgia, the first time the commission had done so since 1978.
NYTimes.com
Thulsa Doom the bookie
February 9th, 2012
2:40 pm
Speedo card! Dadgumit. Why why why did I not think to make a prop bet on when the speedo card would be played? Its as predictable as the sunrise and yet I forgot to place a prop bet on it. Dang!
AmVet -
February 9th, 2012
2:40 pm
I saw where the Serial Groper was Exhibit #1 at the con circle-jerk this morning.
Is his campaign still suspended? And will the narcissistic Pizza Maker force Newt to sit at the back of that garish bus? LOL.
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 9th, 2012
2:41 pm
You ever wonder why Kyle never comes over here, probably he knows he’d torn to shreds with facts.
JAY, you should go a piece where you and Kyle and everyone can chime in……
Aquagirl
February 9th, 2012
2:42 pm
If my girlfriend and I were to get pregnant and she had an abortion, can I take her to court for killing our child?
If that same child needs a kidney transplant and you refuse, can she take you to court for killing your child?
Oh, wait, men are legally entitled to control of their innards. Sorry I got uppity there for a minute.
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
2:42 pm
All this talk about banning abortion and prohibiting coverage for contraception. Why do the Republicans want to create more welfare recipients to vote against them?
Fred (I need a pill)
February 9th, 2012
2:43 pm
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:34 pm
“And conservatives want you to fight to the death for the right to own a gun, but don’t want a woman to have the right to choose what she does with her own body.”
If my girlfriend and I were to get pregnant and she had an abortion, can I take her to court for killing our child?
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Unless there have been advances to medical science I am unaware of, I seriously doubt you can get pregnant.
Do we need a name change? Maybe Talking out your…………. ah, never mind.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
2:44 pm
Doom Why why why did I not think
“Why you have never done something before, ask not why, ask how. Don’t be doomed to stupidity.” — Zeus
willie lynch
February 9th, 2012
2:45 pm
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:34 pm
Since you seem to want to take the high ground moral position, why isn’t your girlfriend your wife before she gets pregnant?
Fred (I need to catch up)
February 9th, 2012
2:45 pm
I can’t stay boob, I mean abreast of this conversation today dang it. There have been some REALLY good posts on both sides of the issue too……..
Thulsa Doom the bookie
February 9th, 2012
2:46 pm
T. Head — “If my girlfriend and I were to get pregnant and she had an abortion, can I take her to court for killing our child?”
Give it a try and report back to us on that.
It depends. Do it in a country that borders us- Mexico, and you are subject to criminal penalties. As well as in other countries such as Indonesia, Egypt, Nigeria, etc. Here in the U.S. liberals do loves their abortionists they do.
mm
February 9th, 2012
2:46 pm
I don’t know of any employers that pay 100 percent of an employee’s insurance. Based on that, the employee’s share of the insurance cost is paying for BC. So the Catholic Church has no leg to stand on. I think we have another social issue about to blow up in the GOP’s face. For the last several weeks, the GOP has resembled Wile E. Coyote after something blew up in his face.
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:47 pm
“If that same child needs a kidney transplant and you refuse, can she take you to court for killing your child?”
If my child needed a kidney and i was a match, i would give it to them in a heartbeat…busted!
Fred (I need to catch up)
February 9th, 2012
2:47 pm
Aquagirl
February 9th, 2012
2:42 pm
If my girlfriend and I were to get pregnant and she had an abortion, can I take her to court for killing our child?
If that same child needs a kidney transplant and you refuse, can she take you to court for killing your child?
Oh, wait, men are legally entitled to control of their innards. Sorry I got uppity there for a minute.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Can his kidney ever be birthed and live independently to grow, mature and become a ……….. hell I don’t know. i’m not the one comparing a kidney to a child. What DOES the mythical birthed grown up kidney become? A pie?
Tommy Maddox
February 9th, 2012
2:47 pm
I’d hardly refer to the Catholic Church as the GOP.
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Unless there have been advances to medical science I am unaware of, I seriously doubt you can get pregnant.
Do we need a name change? Maybe Talking out your…………. ah, never mind.”
Classic Liberal deflection. Avoid the points, deflect, and personalize the discussion.
Thulsa Doom the bookie
February 9th, 2012
2:49 pm
Oh noes. Just as Doomy was about to post the prop bet on the Zeus card it gets played. Sooooooo predictable! Oh well. I reckons I can post those prop bets for tomorrow.
Fred (I need to catch up)
February 9th, 2012
2:49 pm
Here is one for all you wingnuts. You’ll love it. (So will SOME of the leftnuts and most of the independents):
http://www.fluther.com/23146/pretend-this-is-your-son-what-would-you-have-done/
JOE Cool-Republicans Call Him MESSIAH, I Just Call Him Mr. President
February 9th, 2012
2:50 pm
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:47 pm
You didnt answer the question…lol.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
2:50 pm
I love how when the whole moral argument fails, the anti-choice people pull crap laws out of the air to make their argument, all the while claiming that the law of the land that abortion is legal is a crap law.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
2:51 pm
“Avoid the points, deflect, and personalize the discussion.”
Talking head do know the liberal mentality quite well he do.
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:52 pm
“Since you seem to want to take the high ground moral position, why isn’t your girlfriend your wife before she gets pregnant?”
Again, liberal deflection by avoiding the point.
So to have a moral position, I need to be married to have a child? If I am Athiest or Agnostic do these provision also apply (especially if I think abortion is murder)?
Fred (I need to catch up)
February 9th, 2012
2:52 pm
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:49 pm
“Unless there have been advances to medical science I am unaware of, I seriously doubt you can get pregnant.
Do we need a name change? Maybe Talking out your…………. ah, never mind.”
Classic Liberal deflection. Avoid the points, deflect, and personalize the discussion.
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Really? That’s the BEST you can do? I’m a “liberal” now? Thanks lol. I’ll have to keep that in mind. Oh wait. What you mean is you have brains and can’t argue anything. You have learned from your talk radio God’s that anyone who doesn’t walk lock step with you is a ‘liberal.”
Man are you folks mindless lol.
mm
February 9th, 2012
2:53 pm
Keep bashing women, righties. It’s a winning strategy.
Aquagirl
February 9th, 2012
2:53 pm
If my child needed a kidney and i was a match, i would give it to them in a heartbeat…busted!
I don’t know what question you’re answering, but I surely didn’t see anything about whether she could take you to court if you refused.
Maybe your girlfriend would never have an abortion, either. You didn’t ask about that, you asked if you could take her to court—-busted, and 15 yards for flagrant illegal movement of goalposts!
Adam
February 9th, 2012
2:53 pm
Talking head do know the liberal mentality quite well he do.
You mean he knows how HUMANS act when they have trouble acting responsibly in a particular discussion.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
2:54 pm
Talking Head: Again, liberal deflection by avoiding the point
Why do I have a feeling you’re going to say that to ANYONE who responds….
To answer your question: no, you cannot.
Fred (I need to catch up)
February 9th, 2012
2:54 pm
I’m still waiting to hear how you can become pregnant like you said you could Talking Head…………..
Corey
February 9th, 2012
2:54 pm
The project also received $8.3 billion in taxpayer-backed federal loan guarantees.
Gasp! A red state based company received a federal loan from a government headed by a socialist! That violates “conservative principles.” I’m shocked.
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
2:54 pm
Fred – “You have learned from your talk radio God’s that anyone who doesn’t walk lock step with you is a ‘liberal.”
Get used to it. I was a card carrying member of the GOP until they went off the deep end with GW. Haven’t voted for either side since, but I’m constantly painted with the lefty, liberal, Obama lover label on here on a regular basis.
I’m beholden to neither party, I just can’t resist calling BS when I see it.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
2:55 pm
“Catholic Church as the GOP.”
Well of course. That’s why Massachussetts, chock full of Catholics, has had democrats running the state for decades it seems.
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
2:57 pm
Thulsa Doom – “That’s why Massachussetts, chock full of Catholics, has had democrats running the state for decades it seems.”
Romney was a Democrat when he was Governor?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
2:57 pm
Doom — “Here in the U.S. liberals do loves their abortionists they do.”
Considering abortion is legal, sure.
Speaking of legal, I hope you’re in Vegas or Atlantic City right now, bookie.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
2:58 pm
Ok let’s face it people, the Catholic church is not an enemy. It is those in power who think they can FORCE people, especially those outside their faith, to do things their way. THAT is what is happening when they operate as an employer, religiously affiliated or not, of a non-religious institution such as a college or hospital, and then turn around and say they should be able to DENY their employees the same health care the rest of the country gets.
mm
February 9th, 2012
2:58 pm
More Fox Fear:
“Waivers Let Team Obama Seize Control of Your Child’s Educaction”
You righties just don’t know entertaining you are.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
2:59 pm
So far the deflection seems to be a real problem of the conned on this blog, has any of them addressed the issue of why the Catholic Church should dictate that its beliefs means that no insurance policy in this country should provide for the purchase of contraceptives?
Why do the conned run and deflect?
Tommy Maddox
February 9th, 2012
3:00 pm
Why don’t you ask the church hierarchy and not us folks down low?
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
3:01 pm
“I’m still waiting to hear how you can become pregnant like you said you could Talking Head…………..”
Once again this is a deflection from the point of discussion. You are aware that couples often say “we’re pregnant” when referring to having a child? Regardless, the point was can you take your gf/wife/hookup/one night stand/friend/mail ordered bride/ect. to court if they’re pregnant (half of the baby is made up of your DNA) and decide to have an abortion against your will? I was just asking a simple question.
No one can seem to answer it, only deflections (liberal).
Kentucky Jacket
February 9th, 2012
3:01 pm
Taxpayer and USinUK at 2:12 and 2:13
Not to change the subject, and not to say that you have to believe it, but:
The Lord hath called me from the womb: from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. Isaiah 49:1 KJV
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. Before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. Jeremiah 1:5
If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. Exodus 21:22 (now this one is interesting to me, because it proceeds the following “23And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Leviticus 18:22
22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Romans 1:24-27
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Jude 1:7
7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
But yes, the Bible does maintain a ground against abortion and homosexuality.
Tommy Maddox
February 9th, 2012
3:02 pm
I’m not Catholic either so I can’t help you there. I’ll ask my two buddies named George. They are both ultra-liberal Catholics. They might have exploded by now.
mm
February 9th, 2012
3:02 pm
The DOW is closing in on 13000. Unemployment is down. Unemployment filings are down. Taxes are at record lows. Corporate profits are at record highs.
No wonder the GOP is manufacturing social issues.
Fred (I need to catch up)
February 9th, 2012
3:02 pm
Butch; much the same story lol. The problem is that the Republicans right now are just so weirded out. They are whackier right now than the Democrats were after Gore lost to W. Well actually after sKerry lost to W. I think they (the Dems) set a new high for craziness after Kerry lost. But the Pubs have certainly blazed past that record……………..
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:03 pm
No one can seem to answer it, only deflections (liberal).
Really?
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
3:03 pm
I would rather pay for someone’s birth control than their abortion.
The Bishops are entitled to their opinion too.
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
3:03 pm
Talking Head – ” the point was can you take your gf/wife/hookup/one night stand/friend/mail ordered bride/ect. to court if they’re pregnant (half of the baby is made up of your DNA) and decide to have an abortion against your will?”
Yes you can, but you would lose. Since you aren’t carrying the baby, your parental rights are severely limited. You may not like it, but you will not have much ground to stand on.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:04 pm
mm: No wonder the GOP is manufacturing social issues.
Again, the conservatives are deflecting from the main issue.
See how that works?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
3:05 pm
What I want to know is: How close are they going to put those two nuclear reactors to my house?
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
3:06 pm
Finn – “What I want to know is: How close are they going to put those two nuclear reactors to my house?”
Don’t worry about it, I’m sure if Obama had any say in the decision there will Right Wing protest marches demanding that Nuclear Energy be abolished.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:06 pm
Has anyone even bothered to mention that if we had a single payer system that NONE of this would be an issue?
willie lynch
February 9th, 2012
3:06 pm
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
2:52 pm
Do Athiest and Agnostics abstain from marriage? If it is your opinion that abortion is murder then so be it, but that’s your opinion. You can voice your opinion concerning that all day but you have no right to tell a woman that she can’t do what she wants with an unwanted pregnancy. It’s her body.
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
3:08 pm
Butch @3:03,
Thank you for answering. I wonder how the rights (of the father as a parent) change the closer to term the pregnancy becomes, maybe there are already cases out there that have dealt with this issue.
Aquagirl
February 9th, 2012
3:09 pm
No one can seem to answer it
Several of us have…the answer is obviously “no.” Just like she can’t take you to court and force you to use your bodily organs to sustain that child’s life.
I’m not sure why you blame others because you’re too incompetent to ask the question you think you’re asking. But then if you can’t even gather up words and put them in order to ask, I’m not terribly surprised.
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:09 pm
Kentucky Jacket
I can post numerous scriptures from the Old Testament…
Are you selective on the one’s YOU adhere too or follow them all to the letter?
Thought so
Vulva
February 9th, 2012
3:09 pm
ban vaginas, problem solved
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
3:09 pm
The Bishops are entitled to their opinion and if they are Americans, they are entitled to vote. They however are not entitled to impose their religious views on all Americans and demand that laws be changed to make their religion.
Oh how the conned do scurry away when under the light of truth.
Terrence
February 9th, 2012
3:10 pm
“All this talk about banning abortion and prohibiting coverage for contraception. Why do the Republicans want to create more welfare recipients to vote against them?”
Because unlike you, Republicans aren’t eugenicists.
One of the most prominent feminists to champion the eugenic agenda was Margaret Sanger, the leader of the American birth control movement (Planned Parenthood). Margaret Sanger saw birth control as a means to prevent unwanted children from being born into a disadvantaged life, and incorporated the language of eugenics to advance the movement.[19][20] Sanger also sought to discourage the reproduction of persons who, it was believed, would pass on mental disease or serious physical defect. She advocated sterilization in cases where the subject was unable to use birth control.[19] Unlike other eugenicists, she rejected euthanasia.[21][not in citation given] For Sanger, it was individual women and not the state who should determine whether or not to have a child
If Sanger didn’t want the state involved, why do the feds give money to PP?
md
February 9th, 2012
3:10 pm
“Our President got another 26 billion from the banks for mortgage fraud.”
You silly person you…..he got 26 billion from those customers that bank with any of those banks.
Kamchak
February 9th, 2012
3:10 pm
The DOW is closing in on 13000. Unemployment is down. Unemployment filings are down. Taxes are at record lows. Corporate profits are at record highs.
But…but…but…$5 a gallon gas, Kenyan socialist, community organizer, TELEPROMPTER….
Joe Hussein Mama
February 9th, 2012
3:11 pm
W. Lynch — “Do Athiest and Agnostics abstain from marriage?”
You rang?
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
3:12 pm
“Do Athiest and Agnostics abstain from marriage? If it is your opinion that abortion is murder then so be it, but that’s your opinion. You can voice your opinion concerning that all day but you have no right to tell a woman that she can’t do what she wants with an unwanted pregnancy. It’s her body.”
I have no idea, I guess it would be there decision to get married or not.
Also, thank you for respecting the fact that I can have an opinion that differs from you.
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
3:12 pm
Kamchak
Sounds like a good case for re-election.
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
3:12 pm
Terrance – “If Sanger didn’t want the state involved, why do the feds give money to PP?”
I don’t know, if Georgia wants the Federal Government out of it’s business, why did it accept 15 billion in stimulus money? The worlds a crazy place man.
harvey
February 9th, 2012
3:13 pm
I am a conservative who wishes a lot more unwanted children were aborted. I can’t make enough money to feed other people’s babies.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
3:13 pm
Rectors to be built near Augusta. My chillins will be safe.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:14 pm
Is the Catholic Church even relevant anymore? Who cares if they throw their little tantrums? If you don’t want to use birth control, don’t use it.
This type of tyranical behavior is why people are flying away from the church in droves, well, that and their perpensity of their priests toward altar boys, but still.
Kentucky Jacket
February 9th, 2012
3:14 pm
They Both Suck
1) They weren’t all from the Old Testament
2) I adhere to the Bible, not parts of it.
The two posts I referenced inferred that the Bible had no standing in regards to abortion or homosexality. I posted some verses that I feel DO support that abortion and homosexuality are sins.
Since you state that you can post Scriptures as well, please post the ones that say that abortion or homosexuality is NOT a sin.
Butch Cassidy
February 9th, 2012
3:14 pm
harvey – “I can’t make enough money to feed other people’s babies.
Butch Cassidy – ” I can’t make enough money to school other peoples children.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:16 pm
“why do the feds give money to PP?”
Because they provide lots of health care services for low men and women.
(ir)Rational
February 9th, 2012
3:16 pm
Man, this is going to be a fun afternoon. Arguing about abortion and religion. Somebody pass the popcorn and some soda.
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:16 pm
Make that low “income” men and women.
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
3:16 pm
“I have no idea, I guess it would be there decision to get married or not.”
whoops just typed a personal peeve of mine, i meant ‘their’ not ‘there’..can’t stand that
Kamchak
February 9th, 2012
3:16 pm
Sounds like a good case for re-election.
Sure, but since a week or so before the SOTU the $5 a gallon gas meme has been repeated here on an almost daily basis.
Gotta think it’s from a chain email.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
February 9th, 2012
3:16 pm
Bible? Is that the book about how to place horse race bets? I have that book. Never read those parts, though.
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
3:17 pm
Kentucky
Didnt say the Bible says it wasn’t a sin not did you post one scirepiture about abortion? YOUR INTERPRETATION
So you follow OLD TESTAMENT to the letter as you say? Really? or like my earlier post mentioned. YOU ARE SELECTIVE
thought so
Get Real
February 9th, 2012
3:17 pm
Butchey…I think you came fully equipped to this blog with enough BS too fill the ocean….who are you kidding
barking frog
February 9th, 2012
3:17 pm
Butch 3:14, and harvey, I have, I can, and I will continue to do so.
Fred
February 9th, 2012
3:17 pm
Talking Head
February 9th, 2012
3:01 pm
“I’m still waiting to hear how you can become pregnant like you said you could Talking Head…………..”
Once again this is a deflection from the point of discussion. You are aware that couples often say “we’re pregnant” when referring to having a child?
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I here a lot of things that are unmitigated BS. What has that to do with anything? The FACT is that you can’t become pregnant.
Why do you hard core right wing fanatics like to play word games UNTIL you are on the recdieving end?
Bosch
February 9th, 2012
3:18 pm
“please post the ones that say that abortion or homosexuality is NOT a sin.”
Yes, and while you’re at it, can you also post the scriptures that say slaying a unicorn is also NOT a sin. Kthnx.
Adam
February 9th, 2012
3:18 pm
(ir)Rational: side note, did you know “soda” and “pop” and “coke” are not the only terms used to describe carbonated drinks? Some localities have different terms and someone did a map on this.
http://popvssoda.com/