Bishops’ complaint an all-out war on contraception
I think it’s important to understand just what the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is demanding in its war against contraception coverage. Here’s USA Today on the matter:
The White House is “all talk, no action” on moving toward compromise, said Anthony Picarello, general counsel for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. “There has been a lot of talk in the last couple days about compromise, but it sounds to us like a way to turn down the heat, to placate people without doing anything in particular,” Picarello said. “We’re not going to do anything until this is fixed.”
That means removing the provision from the health care law altogether, he said, not simply changing it for Catholic employers and their insurers. He cited the problem that would create for “good Catholic business people who can’t in good conscience cooperate with this.”
“If I quit this job and opened a Taco Bell, I’d be covered by the mandate,” Picarello said.
In other words, the bishops are not merely demanding that church-affiliated organizations be exempted from the requirement that contraception be covered in health insurance. They are insisting that the contraception requirement be abolished altogether.
The proposed legislative fix endorsed by the bishops, HR 1179, makes that explicitly clear. It states that no insurer or employer can be required to provide coverage if paying for such coverage “is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the sponsor, issuer, or other entity offering the plan; or (if) such coverage (in the case of individual coverage) is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.”
Again, that is not a fix limited to churches or church-affliated organizations. It would prohibit the contraception requirement across the board, for every employer and insurer.
If you had any doubts about how political this all is, that ought to resolve them. Twenty-eight states, including conservative Georgia, have had laws on the books for years that require contraceptives be covered, with not a squeak of protest or complaint.
And yet now it becomes a threat to religious liberty?
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
10:24 pm
“Tailor-making policies destroys the large numbers necessary for determining pricing.”
Wrong. Tailor-making policies gives people freedom and choice, including the freedom and choice of not having to pay for services such as maternity, mental health, and contraceptives that they simply do not want and do not need. At least in individual policies this is a huge advantage- and also the reasons why a typical individual policy costs only 60-70% of what a typical group plan costs because of the choice factor.
“That’s why you won’t see many customer companies offering employees more than a single plan.”
Somewhat right and wrong. The last company I worked for offered plans from 3 different companies. Now the plans were the same for each company offered so you are correct about that. But they are the same plan for the ease of both the company and the employees and are somewhat standardized because they have to offer the same mandated state coverages such as maternity and mental health.
A growing trend with smaller size businesses is to pay the employees an extra monthly amount such as $300 and let him or her go out and shop and get their own insurance.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:25 pm
They have a large military and population.
Some of our jets and pilots will be lost.
Lots of civilian casualties.
Then a civil war and Islamic rule.
Tough call.
godless heathen
February 9th, 2012
10:25 pm
Health insurance needs to be divorced from employment. I don’t get auto insurance from my employer. It was initiated as a benefit. Most employers hate it and most employees hate it. Make it illegal for employers to provide health insurance.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:25 pm
“The likelihood of one of my designers getting pregnant is virtually nil so why should the employees have to pay a rate calculated on providing a drug that would be better suited for a beauty parlor in Snellville?”
1. Ineptocracy
*_Ineptocracy_****(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least
capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded
with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number
of producers.
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
10:26 pm
godless heathen
No, sometimes things get so screwed up the government has to step in and regulate to straighten things out and protect those without any other recourse. If you are the lion, that’s bad. For the lamb, govt. help for protection against abuse or being eaten is a good thing.
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
10:28 pm
godless heathen
You just said the less government interferes the better. Now you want government to interfere. Opposite comments in three minutes flat. While I was typing my answer to your other comment you agreed with me. I could have saved my time.
godless heathen
February 9th, 2012
10:29 pm
Oscar:
Let me correct your statement:
No, sometimes things get so screwed up the government has to step in AND SCREW IT UP WORSE.
Used to be screwed up for some, bring in government and screw it up for all.
Good night.
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
10:31 pm
godless heathen
Good grief. Another change of position. Multiply personality disorder?
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:33 pm
The funny thing is that obama was supposed to “reform” healthcare/insurance?
My healthcare insurance premiums are 7 times higher now than in ‘07, with less benefits on the same Blue Cross/Blue Shield.
That’s some f’ing change for ya.
Billybob
February 9th, 2012
10:34 pm
like i’ve said before jay….check it…….hussein’s record, his own words, his radical views for this country, and his ego will bring him down this fall……….this is just another example of his disconnect with the heartbeat of the people………your argument is squat b/c this is a 1st amendment issue and the correct ruling trumps anything you argue, especially the incinuation that the church is the one making this political………what a crock and this is LIB 101 projection……..hussein is the one who made this political with his decision to pursue this, the church reacted to the rule…..YOU, my friend, politicizing this with your opinion and your argument………..in the end hussein will expose exactly who he is to more and more people who were never exposed to this last time around………which, of course, was due to amazing amounts of flat out liberal media bias…..this was fun
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:34 pm
They stepped in because the costs were too high .
Repeal it and the same will happen.
Z
February 9th, 2012
10:35 pm
Sounds to me like the Bishops are trying to fix it so all women, believers or not will not be able to get any health care. He!!, why don’t we just put women in cages and just bring them out when needed. After all it says in the bible, women are to be seen and not heard and are suppose to walk ten paces behind a man, that is, when they are allowed out with body and face covered of course. Is this still America or have we been turned into a Theocracy by the Religious Right?
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:35 pm
Why was the costs so high?
Greed silly.
They have to regulate sin.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:37 pm
Z,
There is a gop war on women ya know.
Billybob
February 9th, 2012
10:37 pm
Z,
zzzzzzz….
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
10:39 pm
Oscar,
I see what godless is saying and he is largely right. Just look at whatever the govt gets involved in. 90% of the time they not only don’t fix the problem- they compound it and make it dramatically worse. Given govt ineptitude that we see everyday it boggles my mind as to how and why people place so much blind faith in govt bureaucrats. It really makes no sense.
Ted
February 9th, 2012
10:41 pm
Bookman is an embarrassment to the paper which is a standard hard to achieve. He relies on USA Today for his point?
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:42 pm
Government does not fix problems when gop are in power.
They can’t govern.
Why vote for them?
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
10:43 pm
If the costs going up is a problem, the only ways to hold costs down is to go to a single payer system and ration care, or to go our present direction of rationing care by only letting those who can afford it have care. Either way the care is rationed. Take your pick.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
It’s a simple question.
obl was a problem.
Fixed him.
Boom.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
10:45 pm
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:35 pm
Why was the costs so high?
Greed silly.
That’s kind of a silly answer get. Want to bring down costs? Get away from the 3rd party payor system and make people pay for the routine costs themselves so that they see what the actual costs are instead of the 3rd party payer being the one to see what the actual costs are. You’ll see premiums drop in a flash.
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
10:47 pm
Thulsa Doom
His problem was he does not see that when the govt. makes employer provided care illegal, they are getting involed in the market in a big way. He wants involment he likes but he does not want involment he doesn’t like.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
10:48 pm
Oscar,
Its not that simple. The gap between haves and have nots would be even greater under a socialized system. The connected people whether they be wealthy people or politically connected people of either stripe would get treated. The average Joe on the street? Not so much. And the rationed care would mean our seniors would surely suffer the most. And they are not going to put up with that as a powerful voting block.
Billybob
February 9th, 2012
10:49 pm
Ted,
or you might look at it this way……the AJC is following the same plan enacted by the holy grail of liberal rags(nytimes)…..print so much bias that you lose 80% of you readers…..will they AJC need to call carlos slim soon?
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:50 pm
doomy,
We should join the rest of the civilized world and provide heath care and put you out of a job.
Why do you vote for a party that can’t fix anything?
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
10:53 pm
“makes employer provided care illegal, they are getting involed in the market in a big way”
I understand that. Its govt getting involved in a big way in the opposite side of the spectrum. I think godless may have just been frustrated with the idea that the govt is as usual just going to make things worse.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
10:54 pm
getalife,
As an insurance agent I’m all for getting insurance out of the health business in terms of routine care. But if people want to buy catastrophic insurance there’s no reason why they shouldn’t be able to do so. And no reason for you to care either.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
10:56 pm
Been an interesting conversation but I’m beat. Doomy out. Gnight all.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:56 pm
I don’t see how you can compare the United States health care and insurance issues with any country in Europe or Canada.
What works there (and that’s highly debatable) falls under an entirely different set of circumstances here here…
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:57 pm
doomy,
You kick patients off insurance when they get sick until the President said no.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:58 pm
hear hear?
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
11:05 pm
All they have to do is ask if you are better off than you were in ‘07.
The reformed health insurance plan has sent premiums through the roof. Does anyone have better rates now????
Unemployment has risen, most of them have given up and resorted to unemployment checks and food stamps for the unforeseen future..
And like it or not, gas prices take the biggest chunk out of our economy and I haven’t heard a word from the left on it since Bushy left office…
getalife
February 9th, 2012
11:09 pm
w is hiding in his bunker with cheney.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
11:12 pm
Way to stick those taxes to the 1% ers!
Lots more $$ in the pockets of the middle class now:
http://gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
11:14 pm
I am much better off than I was in 2007. No question about it. And the country is too. That means Obama should be re-elected.
TC in Atlanta
February 9th, 2012
11:14 pm
Poor JB, if he could only get a flight to Cuba, North Korea, China, etc. where all of his “ideas” are shared by those that need to be “led” as opposed to be “free”. Let’s see how your “free press” would work in those countries, ’cause your time is running out in this country with this CO in office……so is ours! We’re F?!ked!!
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
11:15 pm
Oscar, you must be a 1% er then…
Cut me a check for $1500 or you go to jail.
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
11:17 pm
moonbat
No, not a one per center. But still better off. Hit it just right for retirement. Lucky more than anything else.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
11:22 pm
Again.
All those who say our country is in decline does not know what they are talking about .
WE ARE BACK!
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
11:26 pm
That’s great, Oscar.
You must not have relied on a 401K and were fortunate not to get laid off.
You are most likely an exception.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
11:27 pm
moonbat,
willard will bet ya 10 k.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
11:27 pm
“WE ARE BACK”
Who is “WE”?
getalife
February 9th, 2012
11:31 pm
We are the United States of America silly.
Numbers are heading in the right direction and they don’t lie.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
11:37 pm
Let’s hope so get.
I think we’re getting too close to election time for obama…
Once he has to come out of the closet, the economy will probably be “almost” fixed and he will just need a couple of more months to fix “us” according to Jay and the rest of the MSM.
I hope I am wrong, but I think someone is getting too much of a tingling feeling down their leg right now.
Just a hunch…
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 10th, 2012
12:18 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS1NfjLkdSM&ob=av2e
it’s all good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS1NfjLkdSM&ob=av2e
Oscar
February 10th, 2012
12:28 am
On the other hand, you have to look at the opposition. Don’t really see any. Nobody trusts Romney. Newt is too old and unstable. Santorum is to rigid and has to many views incompatable with the American voters. Ron Paul is a likable old kook. Sounds to me like easy money.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 10th, 2012
12:37 am
FEAR THE MITTENS.
Minnesoda doesn’t count. They are f’d up. They elected a rassler and am snl douche bag as their gov. and senator.
Obama better bribe some foreign leaders and oil execs if he wants to win again.
I’m sure he will accept on-line donations…
CharlieB
February 10th, 2012
12:40 am
@MoonBat – What is the MSM or mainstream media? Please, please give me an example of the mainstream news stations coddling the left or “liberals”. On my television, I just get the news of the day on the MSM. Back up your claim for once. Just give me one example.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 10th, 2012
12:43 am
CharlieB, turn on channel 2 any day at 6:00.
For example.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 10th, 2012
12:46 am
or 5, 11, msnbc, usatoday, cnn, wapo, ajc,
etc. etc. etc.
night night
CharlieB
February 10th, 2012
12:47 am
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 10th, 2012
12:43 am
CharlieB, turn on channel 2 any day at 6:00.
For example.
Listen to the news everyday. And for what should I listen that lets me know they are bias towards the left? Simple question. You made the statement, just asking for examples.
Midori
February 10th, 2012
12:48 am
CB–
translation: “i got nothing but the crap I pull out of my @ss, which by the way, I like to spout as facts”
Midori
February 10th, 2012
12:50 am
what an ugly and complete con melt down. LOL!!!
they are all tripping over themselves!!
pathetic creatures
conspiracy theories at 1:00!!
Obama should really take your guns, you bunch of effing loons
CharlieB
February 10th, 2012
12:52 am
@Midori – 12:48 am
Yeah I figured that, but since I was up working and perusing blogs, just thought I’d ask. It’s the same as when I ask a poster to list Obama’s policies that have caused companies not to hire or the policies that have specifically hurt Obama’s own people (African Americans). Never get an answer even though one blogger stated that “He had personally experienced the negative affect of Obama’s policies”. I just like toying with folks logic. Have a good night.
Midori
February 10th, 2012
12:54 am
night Charlie
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 10th, 2012
12:55 am
meltdown = midori
:0 
:0
CharlieB: I gave you several examples.
now kiss midori’s fat ass.
CharlieB
February 10th, 2012
1:04 am
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 10th, 2012
12:55 am
meltdown = midori :0 :0
CharlieB: I gave you several examples.
now kiss midori’s fat ass.
Wow! Total B.S.
You gave me several channels to which I could tune, but you never gave me an example of media bias on any of the channels. You never cited one news story.
Now if you consider telling me to watch various channels as proof of media bias, I am not surprised that you believe and regurgitate, without any foundation, what you hear on right wing radio/tv.
Tell you what, let’s agree to watch the news today (Friday 2/10/2012) at what ever time is convenient for you and you communicate to me when there is bias.
Tom Middleton
February 10th, 2012
2:48 am
If not for the fact that we’re in one of the most intensive election cycles in our history, I wouldn’t even believe that we’re having this debate about contraception. To me, it’s a simple no-brainer.
I mean, in a country and world filled with AIDS, overpopulation, and economic hard times, why are we still having to deal with a church more in service to its dogma than to its people?
I know one reason, at least in part: How can a church claim eternal infallibility, then have to turn around later and admit that it was wrong? But on this issue, it is, of course, and most of us these days know it well-beyond doubt.
In Africa, countless villages are being devastated by AIDS, with many surviving children needing a grandparent or older sibling to raise them. Wouldn’t it have been better by far if the parents could have used protection instead?
And in a world now numbering seven billion (Wasn’t it just four billion a decade or so ago?), where is the fear of the future we will face when there are too many people for our world to habitate?
And finally, what chance will most Americans have going forward when we can’t control our family size for the quality of life we want. For instance, have one or two children in the future and they might get to go to a college or some higher level of learning, but four or five or even six or more? I mean, is there anyone today, including the politicians, who can guarantee they all will get to go as well?
Now I know this last one is for Democrats only, for the Republican rich will always, always take care of their own. But since there are many more of us than there are of them, shouldn’t it be a top priority for the most of us today?
Oh, and if you’re looking for a Rick Santorum presidency to help you deal with this, forget it. Like his Catholic Church, he doesn’t believe in contraception, and has said it would be fine with him if the states made it illegal.
So here’s my question to anyone who thinks we deserve a bright future: Are we willing to stand by while others try to take over our lives, or are we finally ready to take control of them ourselves? For if it is the latter – and I hope it is – then we need to get started now and not put it off.
As individuals, each one of us has the guaranteed right of Freedom of Religion, meaning we get to decide what we believe, not someone else. And for those of us Christians who believe in Jesus’ divinity, that also means believing in what he taught as well.
Jesus said to love the Lord with all our heart, mind, and soul, and to do unto others what we would have others do unto us. And since everything else he taught he said is based upon these two, where is the need (or even room) for a go-between at all?
And since we have the same access to God that Jesus had and taught, which means that God alone can teach us what we need to know, why must we back down from those we know don’t mean us well?
Please pray for our President, for he is the one who is always on our side!
Tom Middleton
February 10th, 2012
2:53 am
Please pray for our President, for he is the only one RUNNING who is always on our side.
Bill Orvis White
February 10th, 2012
5:04 am
I DON’T want big gov’t dictating to any health care institution as to what they need to insure, pure and simple. This is Big Brother at its worst. Since this is a Big Gov’t that waged a war on religion three years ago, it’s NOT AT ALL SURPRISING THAT THIS IS HAPPENING! This is what WE THE PEOPLE have been subjected to all of this time. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION SO MUCH AS THIS IS ABOUT TREATING RELIGIOUS FOLK LIKE RAG DOLLS. For that, this “administration” NEEDS to be ousted immediately!
Amen,
Bill
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
5:25 am
“Obama should really take your guns, you bunch of effing loons ”
ah, midori, that totally made my morning …
Bill Orvis White
February 10th, 2012
5:44 am
@Tom Middleton
You are one of too many who simply repeat the same old tired progressive class warfare talking points. Do you all receive mass e-mails from Bawney Fwank dictating idiotic leftwing policies and then all of you get on these lefty blogs and MSNBC only to mindlessly repeat them? You are all a bunch of sheep masquerading around as if you are superior to those of us who feel that we pay way too much in taxe$, feel the ever encroaching hand of gov’t in our lives and engage in caterwauling against capitalism and a pro-business environment.
Frankly, I’m sick and tired of a failed Marxist running my life with over-regulation, showing contempt for those who value life and God and the implement burdensome taxes. I pray for this installed-”leader” to leave the Oval Office as soon as possible.
Amen,
Bill
Bill Orvis White
February 10th, 2012
5:48 am
@USinUK
How’s that failed gov’t-run health care working out for you? Oh wait, you probably like it because you never had anything major happen to you or you got some great private plan to avoid the failed national-run system. Spare me, it’s a disaster and the world knows it. It’s also a disaster that you cannot properly protect yourselves over there. I live and breathe the second amendment which is the cornerstone to freedom in this once-free nation. I cannot wait until we get a real president who can get PM Cameron some stones and stand up to you Labor progressive fools over there who have damaged that country so badly you cannot hardly recognize it any longer. You haven’t had a good leader since Lady Thatcher.
Amen,
Bill
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
5:57 am
“I DON’T want big gov’t dictating to any health care institution as to what they need to insure, pure and simple”
HUZZAH!!! let’s all pay premiums for … a crap-shoot.
frankly, I DO want government to “dictate” what should be basic coverage for ALL – so that insurance companies have to cover overnight stays for women to recover from childbirth … so that certain diagnostic tests are included in basic coverage … and that, yes, all forms of birth control are included in basic coverage – as that is a basic necessity for ALL young women.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
5:58 am
“How’s that failed gov’t-run health care working out for you? ”
what failed government-run health care???
the UK has a higher life expectancy than the US … and we pay less for it than you do.
so, yeah, it works out for us just fine, half-wit.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
5:59 am
“I cannot wait until we get a real president who can get PM Cameron some stones and stand up to you Labor progressive fools over there”
oh, and while we’re at it, I’m NOT laboUr … thankyewverymuch.
stands for decibels
February 10th, 2012
6:00 am
mornin’.
. I live and breathe the second amendment
The only amendment that matterz.
Seriously, Obama should tell the Bishops that he’s doubling down and planning to eliminate the Hyde Amendment, just to watch these a-holes soil themselves.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
6:02 am
dB –
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
6:14 am
dB – just in case you didn’t see the brill TBogg
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2012/02/09/triumph-of-the-pill/
Bud Wiser
February 10th, 2012
6:19 am
This is just perhaps the most stupid, ill informed, ignorant and misleading column I have ever read.
Separation of church and state is clearly defined in the Constitution, and the Obama socialist agenda is in clear violation of that. Even some of his most trusted (if there is such a word in their dictionary)minions advised him against it.
It is not about “women’s rights”; that is a subterfuge.
It is not about “reproductive rights”. Any democrat can get off their fat butts waddle down to the local Planned Parenthood to acquire free (to them) variety of contraceptive devices. Unfortunately not enough of them are motivated to do so, opting instead for the free ride on the welfare train, spewing multiple births from multiple ‘daddys’, but that is another story.
This is a frontal, undisguised assault on the Constitution of the United States by a socialist pig, not capable of running a community oraganization, least of all a country, any country. Period.
Aquagirl
February 10th, 2012
6:25 am
This is just perhaps the most stupid, ill informed, ignorant and misleading column I have ever read.
I think somebody needs to switch to decaf.
Jay
February 10th, 2012
6:29 am
I’d suggest that Bud just got up on the wrong side of the bed, but I think Bud’s bed only has that one side.
Normal
February 10th, 2012
6:33 am
Jay,
and that one side is by an open window…he falls out every morning…
Normal
February 10th, 2012
6:37 am
Got this in an email last night…
http://dailyagenda.org/
Normal
February 10th, 2012
6:37 am
Where are my manners? Good, good, Friday morni ng to all y’all!
Bud Wiser
February 10th, 2012
6:45 am
Yeah, that’s right Bookman, use your limited intelligence to attack the messenger instead of addressing the message. What’s the matter, the Constitution too complicated for you?
The First Amendment states that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” Ordering Catholics to make birth control available seems simple enough to fall under the ‘free exercise’ thereof. You leftists seem comfortable with the concept of ‘free’ when it comes to welfare, food stamps and now mortgage ‘assistance’ for the obviously unqualified.
What’s the problem? Not had enough time to respond, or is it over your head?
I would expect no less than what I’ve seen so far from a mushhead like Abnormal, or a media stooge of the democrat party.
Aquagirl
February 10th, 2012
6:46 am
Mornin’ Normal.
I can never quite muster the “good” part, even if it is Friday.
Guy Incognito
February 10th, 2012
6:50 am
Now that a growing # of muslim immams are also upset, the Pres will “walk this decision back” sooner rather than later
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
6:51 am
“Ordering Catholics to make birth control available”
ah.
I see the problem
he’s talking out of his backside … again.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
6:52 am
Morning, Normal … Morning Jay … Hiya AquaGirl!
happy happy FRIDAY!!!
Normal
February 10th, 2012
6:55 am
Aquagirl…I understand. I always say that Friday is just two days away from Monday…
But, what the hell…..
josef
February 10th, 2012
6:59 am
Damn! Wish I didn’t have to work today, folks already up and at ‘em before dawn!
JAY
I told you this one was going to get dicey back when and you’re getting more milage out of it than global warming, evolution, the long form, abortion, and the Dog Third…
USinUK
Yeal, Brother Bill may be a half wit, but, boy, is that half of a wit something to behold…!
And Brother Bill…
You sure you ain’t Sen. Holland? How are things on the Gulf of America? Y’all just keep reeling ‘em in and they just keep a’bitin’…
Brie
February 10th, 2012
7:00 am
FEMALE contraceptives for free? Why not all maintenance drugs for free? Because with this president, not all things are equal. I never knew pregnancy was a disease.
granny godzilla
February 10th, 2012
7:00 am
Good Morning Campers!
50 years ago the right fought against JFK for fear of the Pope ruling America.
Now it appears they’ll bend over for him.
Bill Orvis White
February 10th, 2012
7:06 am
..and @Bud Wiser is right as usual because this so-called “leader” has shredded The Constitution so much, who can recognize it any longer? Gimme a break. At least @USinUK admits that he wants the state to control his health care. Why can’t WE THE PEOPLE choose our health care from A-Z? Tear down the walls of company-mandated group health care, let private insurers operate everywhere, let private insurers offer a variety of packages from the low to high deductibles AND GET HUSSEIN OBAMA, NANNY PELOSI AND HAIRY REID OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF MAKING DECISIONS FOR ME AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS!
Amen,
Bill
Aquagirl
February 10th, 2012
7:07 am
I told you this one was going to get dicey
I sometimes think I’m living in the 21st century. Then topics like this come up.
Normal
February 10th, 2012
7:07 am
To the Bishop’s Conference…
http://justcapshunz.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/02/07/funny-captions-i-am-not-mad/
Jay
February 10th, 2012
7:09 am
Bud, the First Amendment applies in the exercise of your religion.
Health insurance is not a religious rite or function.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
7:10 am
Normal – 7:07 – man … THAT was the face of every nun … EVER …
Cloudodust
February 10th, 2012
7:11 am
What it boils down to is goverment superceding religion. Where are the libs that openly demand a percieved seperation of church and state when it fits THEIR agenda..? Looks like they’re out to lunch when it’s an issue they agree goverment knows best. Shoot, the real issue here between church and state isn’t just contraceptives but abortion. I think the uninformed lib feel it’s all about a pill, not murder…
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
7:11 am
“At least @USinUK admits that he wants the state to control his health care.”
he???
and, yes – just like auto coverage, the state REGULATES for consumer protection.
considering how much more important HEALTH CARE coverage is, it’s just common sense that there’s strict regulation about how / what these companys cover and how they operate.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
7:12 am
“FEMALE contraceptives for free?”
seems that someone doesn’t quite understand the concept of CO-FLIPPIN-PAY …
Aquagirl
February 10th, 2012
7:13 am
Health insurance is not a religious rite or function.
From all the hysteria you’d think they were forced to substitute birth control pills for communion wafers.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
7:14 am
josef – “is that half of a wit something to behold…! ”
yes … as is Newcastle on a Saturday night … and the results are just as pretty
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
7:15 am
cloud – “Shoot, the real issue here between church and state isn’t just contraceptives but abortion. I think the uninformed lib feel it’s all about a pill, not murder…”
considering the pill prevents ovulation, please tell me how you can “murder” something that isn’t there???
Brie
February 10th, 2012
7:18 am
By 2014, women with health insurance will be able to get condoms with a prescription, FREE OF CO-PAY. Men, on the other hand, will have to pay for them.
This isn’t the only thing women will get included in their premiums. The list includes HIV screenings, breast-feeding pumps, pap smears, and sterilization surgeries. Anything the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) deems preventative care for women will be free.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
7:20 am
HIV screenings and pap smears ARE preventative care, you numpty.
Brie
February 10th, 2012
7:21 am
Anything the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) deems
preventative care for women WILL BE FREE.
USinUK
February 10th, 2012
7:24 am
you do realize that telling insurance companies that they have to cover certain drugs / procedures /= “they’re free” don’t you???
or are you really that big of an ass
Brie
February 10th, 2012
7:24 am
If men are prevented from obtaining FREE CONDOMS, women will need those HIV screenings. Female contraceptives do not prevent STDs, just pregnancies.