Bishops’ complaint an all-out war on contraception
I think it’s important to understand just what the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is demanding in its war against contraception coverage. Here’s USA Today on the matter:
The White House is “all talk, no action” on moving toward compromise, said Anthony Picarello, general counsel for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. “There has been a lot of talk in the last couple days about compromise, but it sounds to us like a way to turn down the heat, to placate people without doing anything in particular,” Picarello said. “We’re not going to do anything until this is fixed.”
That means removing the provision from the health care law altogether, he said, not simply changing it for Catholic employers and their insurers. He cited the problem that would create for “good Catholic business people who can’t in good conscience cooperate with this.”
“If I quit this job and opened a Taco Bell, I’d be covered by the mandate,” Picarello said.
In other words, the bishops are not merely demanding that church-affiliated organizations be exempted from the requirement that contraception be covered in health insurance. They are insisting that the contraception requirement be abolished altogether.
The proposed legislative fix endorsed by the bishops, HR 1179, makes that explicitly clear. It states that no insurer or employer can be required to provide coverage if paying for such coverage “is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the sponsor, issuer, or other entity offering the plan; or (if) such coverage (in the case of individual coverage) is contrary to the religious beliefs or moral convictions of the purchaser or beneficiary of the coverage.”
Again, that is not a fix limited to churches or church-affliated organizations. It would prohibit the contraception requirement across the board, for every employer and insurer.
If you had any doubts about how political this all is, that ought to resolve them. Twenty-eight states, including conservative Georgia, have had laws on the books for years that require contraceptives be covered, with not a squeak of protest or complaint.
And yet now it becomes a threat to religious liberty?
– Jay Bookman
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0311/1811
February 9th, 2012
8:57 pm
Recon/BOTH SUCK:
I must admit I get more and more cynical with what goes on with our political and higher military leadership in today’s events but nothing has really changed over the years. It’s always been there.
April 2012 issue of Vietnam Magazine:
“Rescue in Death Valley (A Shau)”
To make a long article short someone decided a group of 17 U.S. Army Green Berets and 400 South Vietnamese and Montagnard troops should try to hold the A Shau valley all by their own.
This camp was 30 miles from nowhere and the four battalion strong NVA 95th regiment decided otherwise.
It turned into a debacle the first night of the attack and an air rescue attempt was ordered. Lt. Col. Charles House, USMC, personally led his helicopter squadron to attempt the rescue under impossible weather conditions.
The debacle continued and many troops were lost. South Vietnamese soldiers had to be shot by USMC helicopter crews because they overcrowded to the point of preventing helicopter’s from taking off with wounded. However, after Lt. Col. House’s helicopter was shot down, he organized the survivors and led them to safety.
Magazine Quote:
“House told the reporter he ordered his men to fire at the Vietnamese who wouldn’t obey. The reporter asked House if he would repeat that on camera. ‘Yeah,’ House replied after a long pause. ‘I’ve been passed over twice for promotion, so I’m on my way out anyway.’ ”
“In a final act to the battle that, in many ways, is emblematic of the Vietnam War’s contradictions, as a result of his actions in the A Shau, House was awarded a Navy Cross. But for making what his immediate superior deemed some rather emotionally charged statements to authority about the wisdom and futility of the mission he also received a letter of reprimand …. and was relieved of command.”
Pathetic.
Curious Observer
February 9th, 2012
8:57 pm
Okay get your contract go to Parris Island, San Diego or who knows maybe even now Bermuda, shoot a toilet seat or worse, get sent to fat boy platoon or motivation platoon and still get awarded your PFC chevron when you graduate, not if you graduate. Pretty soon they’ll be contracting Gold Bars or higher right out of boot camp. The new transformed United States Marine Corps, compliments of political correctness in our military. No damn wonder so many are getting out.
I vividly recall my first payday at Parris Island. After a month of pure hell, we were marched to the squad bay, while an officer sat at a folding table covered with a blanket. My first pay? A fresh, crisp ten dollar bill—all that was left after the deduction for uniforms, PX supplies, etc.—and yes, you have to pay for those uniforms. And so far was my mind from pay that I was honestly surprised to receive any money at all.There was nothing to spend money on anyway. I could honestly have gotten lost if I ventured even a quarter mile from the squad bay. All I saw was the neck of the recruit who marched and ran ahead of me.
I don’t know what it’s like now—my experience was 53 years ago—but if anybody’s considering joining the Marine Corps for the pay, that person is pathetically misinformed.
And by the way, it was called Special Strengthening Platoon. Every recruit lived in fear of being sent there, because after an SSP recruit returned from it, he started boot camp all over again. That’s why every recruit gave every periodic fitness test his best shot.
JKL2
February 9th, 2012
8:59 pm
they both- Isn’t Obama just continuing Bush’s doctrine of spreading democracy
Bush tried something that is still in development. obama is being pushed around by radicals to help bring about the destrution of Isreal. How many countries have to be destroyed before you take away his peace prize?
AmVet -
February 9th, 2012
8:59 pm
At least classical music is something I know a thing or three about.
Unlike you and Syria, or for that matter the very first thing about the Middle East.
That’s what makes you the perfect Bushbot neo-con, you don’t need to know anything about anything to know it all.
If you listen carefully, at 2:12 you will hear the line Paul is dead…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVJD3dL4diY
TGT
February 9th, 2012
9:00 pm
Letter to Obama admn. from Attorneys General of Nebraska, South Carolina, and Texas opposing contraception rule
0311/1811
February 9th, 2012
9:01 pm
Curious Observer :
What was your MOS, career, etc.
P.S. I was a “Hollywood” Marine …………….
TaxPayer
February 9th, 2012
9:01 pm
Seventy-three percent of women receiving an abortion report a religious affiliation.
ld
February 9th, 2012
9:03 pm
IF/when we next go to war in the mideast, I sincerely hope the neocons are not in charge. Trying to liberate people from their own backward mindset is a proven failure. Destroying and occupying their homeland–no matter how much $ is spent rebuilding it afterward–understandably breeds hate. It is far better to identify the enemy and DESTROY them rather than trying to liberate and convert them.
Destroy the leadership and infrastructure–let the people that survive take control w/o occupation. Repeat as necessary. Hopefully, they will eventually learn acceptable behaviour.
The men of the mideast seem to want to live in the stone age w/regard to women’s rights but really love modernity when it comes to war.
If the powers that be here in the US do deem war necessary, we should forget that “hearts and minds” crapola–any chance of getting these people to not be our enemy will be gone w/the first bomb blast.
AmVet -
February 9th, 2012
9:03 pm
TaxPayer, and 82% of the Americans in prison are self-avowed Christians.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
9:03 pm
josef,
Very complicated situation with a pretty well armed military.
Another mess.
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
9:05 pm
JKL2
“obama is being pushed around by radicals”
Really? You mean the Iraq thinkgy where for several years Sunni and Shiite were on a cleanse our neighborhood of each other binge. Many Christians left the country.
If you want to play the point the finger game………. I’m game
It will not solve anything; however I have plenty to bash Bush on if you want to bash Obama.
I’m not even saying Obama has done everything right…. He hasn’t. With-that said we can’t run into every country, i.e. I’m saying Bush and Obama deserve some bashing from where I sit
TaxPayer
February 9th, 2012
9:06 pm
…82% of the Americans in prison are self-avowed Christians.
I heard that more and more are converting to Islam.
Mick
February 9th, 2012
9:06 pm
1811
Why would we want to get rid of a perfectly good obama while the republican party is cracking up? Leadership? It’s amateur hour over there…..
Curious Observer
February 9th, 2012
9:07 pm
What was your MOS, career, etc.
I was a 2511—wireman. I thought I’d hit the jackpot until somebody told me that the life expectancy of a wireman in combat is seven seconds, because wiremen have to be out of the foxhole running wire while the 0300s are hunkered down.
JKL2
February 9th, 2012
9:07 pm
the cloud- Obama is meditating on it though That will solve things
Maybe if we sit down with them, and get to understand them, they will stop killing each other…
obama: Building global respect though loving our enemies and alienating our allies.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:07 pm
Obama is meditating on Syria
His proclamation will come any moment now
It will probably be a lecture about how we should all meditate about Syria
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
9:07 pm
Out of wedlock birth rates? Near 70% in the African American community and its climbing in the white community also- around 25% I think it is.
A little more sensitivity towards the African American rate might have been in order. On the other hand though there are certain “uncomfortable truths” in life that there really is no way of dancing around or sugarcoating- and that near 70% rate is one of them. And if we tried to have a serious discussion about how we could solve or at least reduce the rate then it would just degenerate into emotional rants of anger, the R card would get played, and so on. So for the time being it will remain an uncomfortable truth with no real effort to solve the problem.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
9:10 pm
jk please,
They are probably holding him back from firing up the jets and missiles in the war room.
ld
February 9th, 2012
9:10 pm
Read w/i last week or so that there are extremist Jews in Isreal that are attacking little girls for the way they are dressing and insisting some walk on the other side of the road away from their own children. Sounds a lot like the flipside of the Islam coin to me.
I cannot find any sympathy for any religious group here in the US that feels persecuted. Other countries, maybe, but here, persecution is all about $ or their inability to impose their beliefs on others rather than threat to life or limb.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:10 pm
Obama continues his socialism
More bailouts for deadbeats that can’t pay their mortgages
More bailouts for student loan abusers
The few tax paying Americans left will be footing the bill
But not for much longer
Geo
February 9th, 2012
9:10 pm
A Bushbot? Talk about thin skinned. Just like your fearless leader.
What do I not know about the Middle East? You tell me. GP Telemann? You tell me.
Not So Casual Observer
February 9th, 2012
9:11 pm
Butch @ 4:51,
Are you trying to quote Neville Chamberlain word for word? The Left is the least capable of recognizing a threat, you should read the quotes from the Liberals/Progressives/Pacifists from the 1930’s.
So, in your mind the theft of GM and Chrysler from the secured creditors is just “dandy”?
So, to your thought processes the closing of dealerships by the Guv’ment was OK since almost each and every one was owned by a contributor to conservative politicians rather than libs?
The GIFT of an ownership interest to the Unions is OK because you are a lib loon and supported by the union leaders?
The confiscation of 16% of the economy was OK with you because you are in the fantasy land of “free” health care? Have you even noticed the GAO now estimates ObamCare will add triilions of dollars to the deficits?
Did you notice the Obama deal with the 5 largest banks is nothing more than another bailout for their buddies in the financial sector? Before you ask me how their having to “pay” $26 billion is a bailout, you need to realize the money is ultimately coming from the investors in Mortgage Backed Securities in the write-down of their collateral. Those investors are private pension plans, teachers pensions, 401(k) plans and probably even YOU if you have any investments. Also, the secondary markets that have mortgages behind the 1st are now being given a windfall of collateral at NO cost to the 5 banks.
Do you really believe a $2,000 payment to those wrongfully foreclosed is adequate or that a $20,000 write down of the loans will now bring an underwater mortgage back to the surface?
This is just a brief summary of the lies and misrepresentations of the Obama administration in the march to socialism but wait, I can rest easy now because Butch has declared all of this impossible.
You Libs are such suckers for every “feel good” comment coming from this fake POTUS.
P.S. Have you even noticed the monthly increases in electric rates of 9-16%? Obama’s pledge to bankrupt the coal industry is really working out great for you!
Recon 0311 2533
February 9th, 2012
9:11 pm
theyBothsuck,
You’re correct they are tired. They’re tired of multiple deployments and they’re tired of platitudes pretending to acknowledge their sacrifice from politicians who could really care less. I think the all volunteer military has run out of motivation and we’ll need to return to an involuntary draft if we’re to maintain a formidable military force. The only other alternative is to hire foreign mercenaries and then we would finally be emulating ancient Rome and we all know what happened there.
.
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
9:13 pm
Cloud- JM,
Yes. I got Obama’s meditation. He sent me a subliminal message clear from the white house. I didn’t even have to use my secret decoder thingie. The message said “Yes. We can!” He then sent a second one which rang true to the tune of “Hope and Change!”. His third and final message sent was a resounding “Change you can believe in!” Damn I’m fired up now! And if I’m jazzed you just know the Syrian people are all fired up somethin crazy.
0311/1811
February 9th, 2012
9:15 pm
Curious Observer :
If you were “running wire” you were “OLD CORPS” !
I bet you were issued “boondockers” !
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:15 pm
Not so casual
Obama’s policies are indeed about to massively increase electricity bills unless he backs down
The guy is on the verge of causing a 30% increase for electricity in this country
Of course then he will propose electric bailouts for everyone that doesn’t already pay taxes
The guy is insane
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:18 pm
Doom
Syrians are most excited by the enlightenment that our dear leader has brought them
As with the spoon, they now understand that they cannot stop the bombs, because there aren’t really any bombs killing them…..
ld
February 9th, 2012
9:18 pm
Maybe Obama was thinking of his decision as standing up for US women against a Pope in the Vatican and hoped it would be perceived as such.
(or maybe he was just trying to rev up the female voters?).
Presidents seem to LIKE their role as commander in chief and as head of state on the international stage better than their role as domestic policy leader of their office because they have more control over it.
It’s all about the power.
Read recently that the president supposedly has more discretionary money than is “earmarked” by congress–not sure that was fact or opinion. Anyone have any specific info on this.
Rachel from the Outside
February 9th, 2012
9:19 pm
There is no difficulty in people having access to contraception if they want it. Obama went out of his way to stick his thumb in the eye of religious people, both protestants and catholics. Obama seems to have no respect for our Constitution, only for his faaar left ideology.
Recon 0311 2533
February 9th, 2012
9:19 pm
C.O. mine began in 1961. We’re not that far apart. Got out in 67. Semper Fi
getalife
February 9th, 2012
9:21 pm
Rachael,
And the politics from the left is women have the right for health care.
You are a woman right?
Recon 0311 2533
February 9th, 2012
9:22 pm
C.O. I was 0311 and in 63 went to RTO school and then went over to Recon as a 2533.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:22 pm
Paul krugman: jackass extraordinaire
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/paul-krugman-vs-the-world-02092012-gfx.html
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
9:23 pm
“Under my energy plan prices will necessarily skyrocket”
Makes you wonder exactly how this guy got elected telling people point blank that their everyday costs of living were going to rise. Not just your monthly utility bills but also food prices in the way of high gas prices which is factored into everything since we have to truck everything all over the place.
Curious Observer
February 9th, 2012
9:23 pm
If you were “running wire” you were “OLD CORPS” !
I bet you were issued “boondockers” !
Yup. For the uninitiated, boondockers were half-boots with the rough side of the leather outside.
And I’ll say that those troops assigned to issue clothing really knew what they were doing. By the time I finished those three months at Parris Island, every clothing item I received fit perfectly. A skinny kid, I gained thirty pounds in those three months. I’ll still never understand how those people knew what sizes to issue at the very beginning of boot camp. I was still wearing that clothing issue four years later.
ld
February 9th, 2012
9:23 pm
Recon
They’re tired of nationbuilding.
Defense department should defend USA or destroy our enemy.
US taxpayers will now pay contractors more than they were paying troops to continue to do that nationbuilding the Bush-league neo-cons started. Given the $ from Iraq oil, this is uttter stupidity. And we’re rebuilding a nation we are likely to need to fight again. (Especially if the religious right wins the job of commander-in-chief and pursues that Armageddon goal.)
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:24 pm
Condoms are cheap
No need to require coverage for contraception
It’s like requiring coverage of kleenexes and q-tips
MAATF
February 9th, 2012
9:27 pm
As a Catholic, I am appalled at what the bishops are trying to do. But, they have organized a fire-storm of protest and it is working. I really think what they want is to be sure the Catholic hospitals and universities will be able to have the exemption. Their compromise will be to get rid of that language that goes beyond their own institutions.
It would help if Catholics who have exercised their right to conscience and use birth control – that 70% to 90% of all Catholics – would write their elected representatives and the Obama administration to support the regulations as they are currently written. It would also help if those who benefit because their employers do cover contraceptives would step up to the plate and support other people getting access to contraceptives. You don’t have to support the Affordable Care Act to support the idea that it is not “religious freedom” to allow one faith to impose the tenets of its faith on someone who does not accept them.
Religious freedom is the freedom of the individual, or it doesn’t really exist.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:27 pm
“You are a woman right?”
Getalife, you are a moron right?
Tell you what, don’t answer that just yet.
What did you say earlier that was so obnoxious vile and insulting that jay had to pull it down?
From all people, from you!
Not So Casual Observer
February 9th, 2012
9:27 pm
The Cloud,
A recent study compared electric rates in one Georgia locality on a monthly basis for 2010 and 2011. The smallest increase was 9% and the largest was 16%. The larger increases were predictably in the last months of 2011.
The US has more oil than we can use in the next 200 years (mostly on gov’t land) and our gas prices have doubled under the Obama reign. No new refineries and little hope under Obama. Saudi Arabia, at last check, charges $.09 for a gallon of gas. Exactly how much would our economy benefit from even $1 per gallon gas?
A gallon of orange juice has increased over 25% in the last year, as have many other food items. Yet, the obama admin claims there is no inflation and the Obambots repeatedly tell us how much better off the country is than in 2008.
The Obama goal is economic destruction, not economic boom – unless the boom is an implosion.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:28 pm
When do you think Michelle had Obama neutered?
JKL2
February 9th, 2012
9:28 pm
they both- It will not solve anything
Afghanistan was for OBL and terrorist. Russia already proved it will never be solved. They have been fighting foe thousands of years and I don’t see that changing any time soon. Iraq was with good intentions. It’s better than it was, but we’ll have to see how it all turns out.
I don’t think obama has a clue about anything going on in the world. He’ll do things based on opinion polls, take credit for what works, and blame Bush for everything else.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
9:29 pm
Did ya’ll know they just approved two nuke plants for Ga?
TaxPayer
February 9th, 2012
9:29 pm
Contraceptive use is a key predictor of women’s recourse to abortion. The very small group of American women who are at risk of experiencing an unintended pregnancy but are not using contraceptives account for almost half of all abortions. Many of these women did not think they would get pregnant or had concerns about contraceptive methods.
Contraceptive use is inversely proportional to abortion rate for you mathematically inclined pro-life pragmatists.
They BOTH suck
February 9th, 2012
9:29 pm
Recon
“The only other alternative is to hire foreign mercenaries and then we would finally be emulating ancient Rome and we all know what happened there.”
Most are not foreign, but does Blackstock and whatever they are named know ring a bell…
That is not a knock on Bush because the US is still employing 1000s of them
getalife
February 9th, 2012
9:30 pm
jm,
I said you are a moron
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:30 pm
Observer
He lives in an ivory tower
He has no concern for the common people like you and me
He couldnt give 2 sh-ts if the average person in this country is struggling
And if he did, he wouldn’t know what to do even if it was handed to him from God himself.
JKL2
February 9th, 2012
9:31 pm
getalife- They are probably holding him back from firing up the jets and missiles in the war room.
Do you get to make those kind of decisions from the little kids table in the corner?
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:32 pm
Getalife
Well glad to know jay thinks that was inappropriate
Get, the liar
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:35 pm
No nuts Obama is asking Michelle what to do this evening
If she doesn’t help, he will ask Hillary what to do
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:36 pm
Ring ring
It’s 3am
Do you know what your president is thinking? (probably “surrender!”)
Thulsa Doom
February 9th, 2012
9:38 pm
Cloud-Jm and JKL2,
Ya’ll putting getalife in timeout again? Take it easy on get. He’s spent a lot of time already at the child’s table.
JKL2
February 9th, 2012
9:38 pm
recon- You’re correct they are tired
Which is why we need to keep our troop levels steady for at least a few years. Give the guys some time to decompress for awhile.
With the current economy it will be along time before we ever need to consider going back to a draft.
TaxPayer
February 9th, 2012
9:40 pm
Contraceptive use! What do the people think? Perhaps some polling results are in order.
ld
February 9th, 2012
9:41 pm
Polititions in general–GOP and Dems– have little respect for the individual liberty of Americans. As far as I’m concerned, my liberty ends where everyone elses begins and everyone elses ends where mine begins.
If you haven’t noticed we are losing our rights –supposedly in defense of our nation–that “patriot act” that is anything but patriotic, now indefinite detention. Seems every city intersection has cameras. AJC a while back had an article said the public and private cameras would soon be linked. Big Brother born.
Shades of “Urban Wolf”!!! (a movie I think of every time I notice those ever more present cameras)
No pity for the Catholics. The Bishops and current Pope spent too much time, effort, energy and $ enabling and covering up child abuse for me to ever respect any of them, even individually.
After reading an article about a man who, himself as a child, had been molested by a preist, was outraged because his own child had also been molested by a priest, my reaction was that the father was as guilty as the priest for putting his son in a situation he, personally, knew was unhealthy.
I’ve yet to understand how any Catholic could continue to be Catholic and support this Pope that, prior to becoming Pope, played a major role in the coverup of the child abuse and enabled it to continue by moving the predators about to new “hunting grounds”.
The polititions seem to prefer arguing about stuff rather than resolving problems (sorta like actors–any publicity is good publicity) even though this one is easily solved–a no brainer. (see earlier post about 8:05)
Jay, you should consider running for public office; we need someone w/common sense at the helm.
Recon 0311 2533
February 9th, 2012
9:41 pm
Boondockers, sure takes me back. We were issued a high top boot that was similar to the original boondocker half boot but came up higher like a paratrooper boot. We used saddle soap on them in boot camp but after ITR and in our first infantry assignment we spit shined them to perfection keeping our second pair for the field.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
9:42 pm
Sometimes I forget I am not at the old blog.
Ya’ll could not handle the old blog.
ld
February 9th, 2012
9:43 pm
‘nite all.
Recon 0311 2533
February 9th, 2012
9:45 pm
On boots. I remember in 65 the Marine Corps adopted the shorter doggie (Army) boot that rotted off your feet in Vietnam.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 9th, 2012
9:45 pm
How sad. We have Jm in full childish meltdown and Doomy playing the child card on getalife….. you know, the same Doom who got put in time out for drunken blogging. Seems Doom has spend more time in time out than getalife. Taking bets on which card Doomy tries to play next rather than just apologizing to getalife for posting such silliness. Will it be the flea card, the Chihuahua card, the just joking card, the toy card or one of the other cards from his tired deck of worthlessness. Oh right, who cares.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:47 pm
Getalife can’t handle the current blog
Well, take your toys and go home then…..
Don’t even know what the ld blog is, but get apparently can’t take the heat
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 9th, 2012
9:48 pm
There’s no outrage like manufactured outrage
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:49 pm
St simons
There’s no margarita like a blended frozen margarita
Though they are good on the rocks too
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:50 pm
St Simons
U know anything about sailboats?
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
9:51 pm
Obama the divider in chief has successfully divided our nation for his benefit
It will take a new president to glue us back together
JKL2
February 9th, 2012
9:54 pm
Jm- Do you know what your president is thinking?
Can I fit in 18 holes between campaign appearances tomorrow?
Get Real
February 9th, 2012
9:54 pm
Keep…..you are the one that needs to getalife as you are on Bookman’s liberal love blog morning, noon and night every single day……it would be funny if not so sad
getalife
February 9th, 2012
9:55 pm
No jm.
0311/1811
February 9th, 2012
9:55 pm
This is just one of a thousand reasons why this country is in such trouble. And what percentage do you think are being used in drug deals, illegals calling to Mexico/other countries or just teenagers yacking all day and night. Most Americans are starting to get pretty sick and tired of this foolishness.
Headline (TIME): “Washington Footing the Cell Phone Bill for Millions of Low Income Americans”
“Last year, a federal program paid out $1.6 billion to cover free cell phones and the monthly bills of 12.5 million wireless accounts. The program, overseen by the FCC and intended to help low-income Americans, is popular for obvious reasons, with participation rising steeply since 2008, when the government paid $772 million for phones and monthly bills.”
http://news.yahoo.com/washington-footing-cell-phone-bill-millions-low-income-202500656.html
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
9:56 pm
Just does not sound reasonable to me. Isn’t that the test. Whether or not its reasonable.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
9:57 pm
Sad thing is, if you had decide between Barack and Michelle to have in your “fighitn’ hole”, it would be a difficult decision!
Prol’ wouldn’t make much difference tho.
Recon 0311 2533
February 9th, 2012
9:58 pm
Kind of early but looks like the blogs slowing down. good night all. Taps
St Simons - we're on Island time
February 9th, 2012
9:59 pm
Jm, buddy, all I know is they are a handful, and there’s a reason they invented the outboard motor. Some people love em though
Geo
February 9th, 2012
10:01 pm
“Ring ring
It’s 3am
Do you know what your president is thinking? (probably “surrender!”)”
You mean he’s Italian?
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:02 pm
Our country is back.
Did you not listen?
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:04 pm
Nothing like cutting off the motor, the wind fills the sails, the hull rolls to a 30 degree angle and all you hear is the ocean (and maybe the humming of the keel if your lucky).
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:04 pm
if “you’re” lucky – for the fashion police…
godless heathen
February 9th, 2012
10:05 pm
What a tiresome debate that should not even be a debate. Insurance companies should cover what the hell ever they want to cover. People should buy insurance policies that cover what they need. Insurance companies should be free to offer plans that cover contraceptives, abortions, viagra, or not. All they should have to do is disclose what is covered for the price of the premium. Free people could then choose whether they wanted to buy an insurance policy that covered what they need, or not. It is a very sad state that it is no longer debated whether or not government should dictate the terms of an agreement between free people and a privately owned provider, but only what terms the government should dictate.
To paraphrase Edna St Vincent Millay:
It’s not freedom’s going that pains my days,
but that it went in such little ways.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:07 pm
Thank you, heathen.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:10 pm
You cons tend to be a tad bias.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:11 pm
Enter your comments here
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:11 pm
getalife! and you’re not???
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:12 pm
Jkl2
St simons I love them, sailboats that is
Disgusted
February 9th, 2012
10:13 pm
Insurance companies should be free to offer plans that cover contraceptives, abortions, viagra, or not.
Not as easy as it sounds in group policies. Tailor-making policies destroys the large numbers necessary for determining pricing. That’s why you won’t see many customer companies offering employees more than a single plan.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:13 pm
“Our country is back.”
Yeah back in some twisted new version of carter and nixonian hell.
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
10:13 pm
godless heathen
In an idea world that would be correct. But in the US we have employer provided coverage. The individual has to take whatever the employer provides. That distorts the market. If the employer changes the plan, employee may not be able to leave because he could not get any insurance. He’s stuck in his job and stuck with what is provided. Very nutty system that needs changing.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:14 pm
Moonbat
When you’re crazy like getalife, you’re not biased
You’re just crazy
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:15 pm
7000 dead in Syria
Obama ponders. And meditates. Campfire songs are next.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:16 pm
Ha ha, Cloud!
to you and getalife:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCSc0EVTS40
Oscar
February 9th, 2012
10:16 pm
Don’t think we want to invade Syria.
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:17 pm
moonbat,
No.
jm,
Clintonian.
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:17 pm
Obama is probably sending Iran nuclear tech and directions on how to bomb NY
I wouldn’t rule it out anyway
Obama is anti American
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:19 pm
Getalife
Nixon was hell
Clinton not so much
With Clinton there were good jobs and fiscal discipline
With Obama, not so much
getalife
February 9th, 2012
10:20 pm
Oscar,
No ground troops.
It is a heck of a time to be in the CIA and Special Forces.
moonbat betty (Ineptocrats for obama)
February 9th, 2012
10:20 pm
“No”
getalife,
LIAR!
godless heathen
February 9th, 2012
10:20 pm
For example. If I own an interior design firm in Midtown Atlanta, why should I be forced to buy an insurance policy for my employees that provides free oral contraceptives. The likelihood of one of my designers getting pregnant is virtually nil so why should the employees have to pay a rate calculated on providing a drug that would be better suited for a beauty parlor in Snellville?
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:21 pm
Sooth is the resident conspiracy theorist
Hey sooth, after Obama is done destroying the US economically, will he try to bomb it?
godless heathen
February 9th, 2012
10:22 pm
“Very nutty system that needs changing.”
Yup. And the more the government gets involved, they harder it is to change.
Scooter
February 9th, 2012
10:23 pm
I am a 48 year old gay man and I am for gay marriage and I love seeing all the changes. I am soooooooo happy. wsm_marathoner
The Cloud-Jm
February 9th, 2012
10:23 pm
Ok. Poor getalife can’t take the heat
I’m going to turn the burners down for him and catch some shut eye
Cheerio