What does Romney’s tough talk on Afghanistan mean?
In a recent debate in Florida, Mitt Romney was asked how he plans to end the lengthy war in Afghanistan, given that he has rejected the idea of trying to negotiate with the Taliban.
“By beating them,” he answered.
It was a strong, manly answer, short and to the point. And yes, beating them sounds like quite an appealing option.
On the other hand, we’ve been at it for more than a decade now, through a good part of three presidential terms, and have lost more than 1,800 American lives in the process. And we don’t seem to be much closer to “beating them” than we were when we began. While we’ve succeeded in weakening the movement, Taliban leadership has retreated to havens in Pakistan, where we continue to strike at them when possible via drones and missiles. Short of an invasion of Pakistan, “beating them” seems a very tall order. If Romney has specific ideas on how that might be accomplished, I have not seen them.
In fact, two of Romney’s own foreign-policy advisers, Mitchell Reiss and James Shinn, have publicly endorsed negotiations. As Shinn writes with co-author James Dobbins in “Afghan Peace Talks: A Primer”, the bottom-line goal of U.S. policy must be to prevent a return of al Qaeda to Afghanistan. He and Dobbins write:
“The United States can prevent this indefinitely as long as it is willing to commit significant military and economic resources to a counterinsurgency effort. It cannot eliminate the threat, however, as long as the Afghan insurgents enjoy sanctuary in and support from Pakistan. The United States could also achieve its objective if the Taliban could be persuaded to cut ties with al Qaeda and end its insurgency in exchange for some role in Afghan governance short of total control.
Peace negotiations would obviously be desirable if they could succeed in achieving this objective, but they are also worth pursuing even if they fail, as the risks associated with entering such a process may be greater for the insurgents than for the Afghan government and its allies.”
There’s a lot of hard truth packed in those two paragraphs. As Shinn and Dobbins write, we can keep the Taliban at bay as long as the United States “is willing to commit significant military and economic resources to a counterinsurgency effort.” But we aren’t willing to do so forever, and we know it. Public opinion in this country has turned sharply against an open-ended continuation of the war, and the Afghanis are growing tired of our presence as well.
In fact, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has from time to time denounced NATO forces as occupiers, claiming at one point that “It is just for their national interest that they put our lives under their feet and dishonor the people.”
In light of that reality, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta this week announced plans to end active U.S. involvement in combat in Afghanistan by the end of 2013. U.S. forces after that point would serve to train and assist Afghan government forces, including providing air cover, air transport and logistics support. But the brunt of the fighting would be done by the Afghans themselves.
Yesterday, Romney cast scorn on that approach, describing Panetta as “misguided and naive.”
“He announced that so the Taliban hears it, the Pakistanis hear it, the Afghan leaders hear it,” Romney said. “Why in the world do you go to the people that you’re fighting with and tell them the day you’re pulling out your troops? It makes absolutely no sense. [Obama’s] naivete is putting in jeopardy the mission of the United States of America and our commitments to freedom. He is wrong. We need new leadership in Washington.”
With those seemingly passionate comments, Romney repeats a refrain against announcing timelines that became familiar during the Iraq years. But again, it’s a curious stance. Because you see, Romney himself has publicly endorsed a deadline of 2014 for the withdrawal of almost all NATO military forces, including Americans, from Afghanistan. To borrow his language, Romney announced that support “so the Taliban hears it, the Pakistanis hear it, the Afghan leaders hear it.”
So I’m not sure exactly what his argument is, other than to make meaningless noise on the campaign trail and try to pump himself up as a strong-willed military leader.
If we are going to withdraw almost completely by 2014, leaving behind perhaps a group of advisers, trainers and intelligence specialists, it seems reasonable and rational that you would give the Afghan security forces a year to find their footing before handing them full responsibility.
But hey, if Romney has a plan for how to “beat the Taliban” and yet be out of Afghanistan by 2014, and to do so without giving Afghan security forces a transition period in which they take the lead role with strong U.S. backing, the American people would like to hear it.
Otherwise, his rhetoric comes across as macho blather, and I believe that rather recent experience has soured the American people on that for a while.
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Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
8:49 am
Ahh, more stupidity from the Mittsiah
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
8:49 am
how’s he going to beat them? by taking over their factories and busting them out?
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
8:52 am
Men men men men manly men men men….
jm
February 2nd, 2012
8:52 am
Obama surrendered to the Taliban
The next 9/11 should be a lot of fun. Thanks O
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
8:52 am
Midori,
Exactly! He will forclose Afghanistan!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
8:52 am
“Beat the Taliban? dang why didn’t I think of that!” – George W. Bush
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
8:53 am
I think jm is blogging from under his bed…
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
8:53 am
and the Afghanis are growing tired of our presence as well.
Are growing?
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
8:53 am
Midori,
Exactly! He will forclose Afghanistan!
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
8:54 am
No Normal -
he’s blogging from his padded cell
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2012
8:54 am
Once again, he tries to be on both sides of a tough question. There really is no position Mitt won’t take as long as he thinks it’ll get him votes.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
8:54 am
Romney himself has publicly endorsed a deadline of 2014 for the withdrawal of almost all NATO military forces, including Americans, from Afghanistan.
Oh look, another issue we can go “Gee, what exactly WOULD Mitt do if he were President?” and not know the actual answer.
larry
February 2nd, 2012
8:55 am
I know how he is going to beat them. He’s going to buy them out .
How does 50 million sound Taliban?
jm
February 2nd, 2012
8:56 am
20 million people left to madmen. this is a repeat of abandoning the iraqi kurds
way to go obama
the killed, mutilated, tortured and subjugated women will be very appreciative
reuters
The announcement, ahead of a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels, was greeted with surprise in Kabul, where a senior Afghan security official said the move “throws out the whole transition plan.”
“The transition has been planned against a timetable and this makes us rush all our preparations,” the official said.
“If the Americans withdraw from combat, it will certainly have an effect on our readiness and training, and on equipping the police force,” he said, adding that his government had not been informed of the change in plans.
———–and
The remarks also prompted concern among Afghans who fear a return to Taliban rule and hope that reconciliation between all parties would deliver a better alternative.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
8:56 am
What does Romney’s tough talk on Afghanistan mean?
Multiple Choice:
1. The sons are going to enlist
2. Planning leveraged buyout of Afghanistan
3. Nuke ‘em back to the stone age
4. Liz Cheney VP choice
5. Tie the Taliban to the top of his car
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
8:57 am
Are there no history books available to the Cons? Yea, Obama surrendered, right. Who was it that ordered the mission to kill Bin Laden? Who was it that gave up looking for him? Those two questions tell the whole story.
F. Sinkwich
February 2nd, 2012
8:57 am
“Obama surrendered to the Taliban”
Technically O’bozo is still negotiating the terms of our surrender which will include releasing terrorists from Gitmo, so our surrender isn’t a done deal yet.
St Simons - codewords are the new black
February 2nd, 2012
8:59 am
I don’t know why he feels like he needs to macho it up,
’cause nothing says “foreign policy street cred” like doing
your mission for the baby jaysus in the south of Fraaaance.
That’s not a joke, cons.- Checkmate.- in February, too – dam
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
8:59 am
The ODS is strong in these posters!
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
9:00 am
Technically O’bozo
…is a really good President, and Mint RawMoney would be a terrible one.
carlosgvv
February 2nd, 2012
9:01 am
And yet, a recent news report said Afghan officials are negoitating with the Talaban and the US approves. Since the Talaban can be trusted about as much as Hitler, it seems we are conceding defeat and getting out. While this is the only sensible thing to do, this war becomes even more usless and showers even more contempt on those who started it than the Iraq war. Will history eventually show that our soldiers died in Iraq and Afthanistan for absolutely nothing?
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
9:02 am
Of course Obama once said that Afghanistan was the war we needed to win. He evidently changed his mind. Oh well, politicians. I think we should get out of there now.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
9:03 am
The Afghans had 10 years to get their stuff together and still cannot do it. The sad fact is that many of those women who jm seems so concerned about will tell you that they don;t want to have Western morals and values forced upon them and will actively collaborate aganist our troops. It seems that many cons still beleive that BS that W and Cheney put out there about “they will greet us as liberators” when actually they see us as Christian Crusaders who are intent on fighting Islam.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
9:05 am
carlosgvv: Since the Talaban can be trusted about as much as Hitler, it seems we are conceding defeat and getting out. While this is the only sensible thing to do, this war becomes even more usless and showers even more contempt on those who started it than the Iraq war. Will history eventually show that our soldiers died in Iraq and Afthanistan for absolutely nothing?
The Taliban and al Quada have been turned into nothing more than pests who no longer have the capability to strike inside the US or in most other countries. They simply do not have the people or the resources, and our disappearance from the region, eventually, will lead to less involvement not more. It’s our presence there that stokes them. And if we leave they don’t have the same motivations of anger due to our occupation. We have also killed many of their leaders and have drones that strike at them regardless of whether or not we have troops on the ground. Al Quada is f***ed. So no, we didn’t do it for nothing. Hopefully, though, we have created a situation where no more US soldiers ever need to die in a war.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
9:06 am
The sad fact is that many of those women who jm seems so concerned about
….Would be told, in our country, that they need to be subservient to their husbands, not work, make babies, and stay in the kitchen. If the right wing has their way, anyway. We are not better than them if we keep electing right wing anti-choice fanatics to office.
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
9:08 am
What does Romney’s tough talk on Afghanistan mean?
That he thinks 2012 = 2004? When such dumbassery was enough to secure a “W” for W with a one-state EC margin? Who knows, maybe it’s fool me twice… you *can* get fooled again.
(And Paul, I saw your thoughtful response downstairs. One can only hope the candidates will behave in such a civilized fashion on a national stage, but that wouldn’t be the way to bet.)
larry
February 2nd, 2012
9:09 am
We are not withdrawing entirely , read what the man said.
Good gosh 13 years is enough.
Past time to go.
Jm
February 2nd, 2012
9:09 am
Robert
Thats right
Women love to be killed mutilated and subjugated
Liberal hypocrisy knows no bounds
They’re only compassionate when it comes to benefitting themselves with someone else’s money
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
9:09 am
So, which nutball wants to tell me NASA is a left wing liberal socialist hack?
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2012
9:11 am
What is a “win” for the US (as opposed to “for a particular president”)?
Eliminating imminent threats. (al Qaeda)
Stabilizing portions of the world that are destabilized near-term threats against us. (Afghanistan)
Destabilizing portions of the world that are stabilized near-term threats against us. (Iran)
Stop with the macho partisan nonsense about us being the police force for the world and think about what our goals are as a country.
Fighting the Taliban does not do anything for us provided they don’t try to “export” their values through terrorism or harboring terrorists. That’s why we’re ok with negotiating with them now. AQ is no longer operational in that part of the world and what remains of the Taliban is not interested in them.
It’s also why we should be engaging in Cuba before it becomes a destabilized threat as the Castro brothers pass.
Paul
February 2nd, 2012
9:12 am
“What does Romney’s tough talk on Afghanistan mean?”
“It was a strong, manly answer, short and to the point. ”
Mitt learned from Newt. If you want to end the debates with the support of the testosterone-lacking males, you must give a tough, manly man answer.
At least, I hope that’s the sum substance of meaning here.
“Macho blather.”
Yeah, well, consider much of the audience -
HDB
February 2nd, 2012
9:12 am
Afghanistan is the place where wmpires go to DIE!! Starting from Ghengis Khan and going forth to the Russians in the 80s…no nation has gone nto Afghanistan and conquered it!! Those who call for “nuking it back to the stone age”…my question is: Why waste good warheads?? Afghanistan is already in the stone age!! Afghanistan’s Islamic beliefs are holding it back…and any outside force will be met with resistance — the Russians because of race….the Americans because of religion……
Much of what has to be done in Afghanistan has to be done INTERNALLY…..and Pakistan has to be the influence, not the US!!
HDB
February 2nd, 2012
9:12 am
..I meant EMPIRES….
Jm
February 2nd, 2012
9:13 am
Oh and let’s not forget al Qaeda which still exists (though seriously damaged thanks to the president) will now have a pretty good safe haven
On top of Pakistan
Well I guess the war on terror is over
Be prepared to one day have a new war of terror in the US
Good grief, short American memories
People have already forgotten 9/11
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
9:14 am
HDB -
Even Alexander the Great couldn’t take down that area…..
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
9:14 am
jm, yea that’s exactly what I said isn’t it? Where is your outrage over the treatment of women in other countries? Do you think we should invade Saudi Arabia since they treat women in a similar manner? How about various countries in Africa? Why the concern over the Afghan women and none for the rest?
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
9:14 am
Three years ago to this day, President Obama acknowledged that the fate of his re-election four years later would likely rests on the success of the proposed $825 billion stimulus package and said “If I don’t have this done in three years, then there’s going to be a one-term proposition.”
Best thing this guy has ever said, and it’s coming TRUE!
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
9:14 am
Jm: Knock Knock
“Who’s there?”
9/11
“9/11 who?”
YOU SAID YOU’D NEVER FORGET!
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
9:16 am
Jm
I can loan you some bottled water, duct tape and plastic sheeting.
We don’t want you to be scared.
kayaker 71
February 2nd, 2012
9:16 am
So….. we have gotten our asses kicked again. First in Korea, then Vietnam, then Somalia, then the Gulf war, now Afghanistan. This is getting to be a habit.
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2012
9:17 am
Best thing this guy has ever said, and it’s coming TRUE!
Yep, unemployment has consistently fallen for the past 2 years. GDP has been positive since the stimulus got into the economy. It worked!
Finn McCool
February 2nd, 2012
9:17 am
Mitt hasn’t really thought it through…..
The normal Republican way of doing things!
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
9:17 am
kayaker: This is getting to be a habit.
I have an idea, let’s not start these wars IN THE FIRST PLACE!
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
9:17 am
People have already forgotten 9/11
for f-ck’s sake, jm, we still sit through the tedious renderings of “God Bless ‘Merkuhhh” during the seventh inning stretches every summer. We’re not ALLOWED to forget, thanks to the militaristic jackals in our midst.
God forbid we should ever stop thirsting for revenge. A few hundred thousand in Eyerack, who knows how many in Afghanistan–it’ll never be enough to avenge the three thousand, I guess.
(until some Godly Republican War Preznit declares otherwise, of course.)
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2012
9:17 am
we have gotten our asses kicked again. First in Korea, then Vietnam, then Somalia, then the Gulf war, now Afghanistan. This is getting to be a habit.
Defeatist traitor.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
9:18 am
Talking Head
Are you still having money troubles?
How can we help?
Finn McCool
February 2nd, 2012
9:18 am
You conservatives are sooooo worried about losing. You had 11 years to WIN it. Poop or get off the pot.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
9:19 am
Granny: Don’t give Talking Head a handout. He needs to pull himself up by his bootstraps and stop blogging and spend his time looking for extra work.
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
9:20 am
First in Korea, then Vietnam, then Somalia, then the Gulf war, now Afghanistan.
funny how you forget Ronnie Reagan bravely running away in Lebanon.
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2012
9:20 am
funny how you forget Ronnie Reagan bravely running away in Lebanon.
… and then attacked little itty-bitty Grenada without telling the UK about it (you know, the country that owned them) until after it was over.
Jm
February 2nd, 2012
9:21 am
My manager has zuckerberg envy this morning
Kind of hilarious actually
He doesn’t save…..
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
9:23 am
Heyt Yakker, you forgot Lebanon when Reagan made the Marines run like little girls after terrorists killed 256? cause he didn;t want to make anyone mad.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
9:24 am
“Yep, unemployment has consistently fallen for the past 2 years. GDP has been positive since the stimulus got into the economy. It worked!”
No, not really. Unemployment has consistently been in the range of 10-8.5% for the past 2 years, and more people have dropped out of the workforce so the real number is much higher. GDP has been 2% or less, and if you don’t have more GDP growth than rising inflation, is it really growth? No, at best we have been growing at 1% or less. Oh and not to mention that our national debt is now almost 100% of our GDP.
kayaker 71
February 2nd, 2012
9:25 am
When we pull out of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai and his government won’t last 6 months. Read the book, “A Thousand Splendid Suns” by Khaled Hosseini if you want to see how a Taliban government treats it’s people. Back to the dark ages.
Guy Incognito
February 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
Gallup’s State-by-State Poll out:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152372/Obama-Approval-Above-States-2011.aspx?utm_source=email-a-friend&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sharing&utm_content=morelink
Lord Help Us
February 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
K71, what is you suggestion on Afghanistan…stay there forever?
carlosgvv
February 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
Romney is certain he already has the votes of all moderate Republicans. However, he still has to persuade those crazed Tea Party voters he’s the man for the job. So, he must talk tough about Afghanistan and never appear to be a “cut and run” candidate. These simple voters will, of course, ignore all reality about Afghanistan and gladly vote for us to be there for, as John McCain said, another 100 years. We can only hope that, if he becomes President, the moderate, sensible Romney will be our President. Since he can change personalities as fast as you can change TV channels, that may be a dim hope.
gm
February 2nd, 2012
9:28 am
Lets see Obama has killed how many terrorist since he been in office?
Please Mitt you are out of your league, how can you question a man who has the sucess of President Obama?
This shows what a egotistical spoil brat this idiot is and he will say anything to ever listen to be President, are rep voters this stupid?
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
9:29 am
Shinn and Dobbins: “The United States can prevent this indefinitely as long as it is willing to commit significant military and economic resources to a counterinsurgency effort. It cannot eliminate the threat, however, as long as the Afghan insurgents enjoy sanctuary in and support from Pakistan.
Obviously a LIB!! Oh wait …
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
9:33 am
I think you’re right, carlosgvv: “Romney is certain he already has the votes of all moderate Republicans. However, he still has to persuade those crazed Tea Party voters ..”
What we’re seeing right now is Mitt literally putting the dog whistle up to his mouth. The fact that we don’t hear anything (of substance) doesn’t mean that there’s not a very loud and clear signal going out to the requisite groups.
The same was true of the “I’m not interested in poor people” crack.
Road Scholar
February 2nd, 2012
9:35 am
Let’s give Romney, his sons, and all the other chestbeaters an M16, a few boxs of ammo and airdrop them into Afganastan so they can clear this whole thing up. I mean, since they all are experts, it will be cleared up in no time! Oh, and don’t worry about the cost of this war…we’ll pay for it from the sales of Newt’s books and Carlista’s keylar helmet (her hair).
Road Scholar
February 2nd, 2012
9:37 am
Oh and AJC, fix your damn website!
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
9:37 am
Apparently to gain approval as a Pesidential candidate these days, all you have to do is come up with a simplistic answer that really has no chance of becoming a reality.
Hermain Cain – How would you implement your 999 plan? We’ll just re-write the tax code.
Newt Gingrich – What’s your vision for the future of America? – A moon base.
Mitt Romney – How would you deal with the Taliban? – I’d beat them.
Donald Trump – How would you counter rising fuel costs – I’d tell the suppliers F@#k You.
I guess I could throw my hat in the ring too with my plan to counter climate change by generating a giant shield around the earth. Quick, how are my poll ratings?
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
9:37 am
Yes, it will be back to the dark ages unfortunately but I thought the Con mantra was to have people pull themselves up by their bootstraps….so why can’t the Afghans do the same? If its good enough for poor Americans then I would expect its good enough for them.
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
9:38 am
“Let’s give Romney, his sons, and all the other chestbeaters an M16, a few boxs of ammo and airdrop them into Afganastan so they can clear this whole thing up. I mean, since they all are experts, it will be cleared up in no time! Oh, and don’t worry about the cost of this war…we’ll pay for it from the sales of Newt’s books and Carlista’s keylar helmet (her hair).”
Ok… Lets let Obama and all the crats redistribute their own wealth and see if they can fix the economy since they are all experts.
mm
February 2nd, 2012
9:38 am
Romney will ignore them. He doesn’t care about poor people. you know.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
9:38 am
Great. This is ALL we need. Another nutless wonder of a Republican who wants to get into a Richard-measuring contest with the rest of the world.
Hey, Mitt — tell us about your military service.
. . .
Well, THAT was fast.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
I guess Trump is going to endorse Newt, maybe that means Romney isn’t so bad after all.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
Enter your comments herejm
Bone up on your history, war has devasted many an empire draining both blood and treasure. Sure there are some conflicts that are necessary like ww11, which we had to be pulled into. Sovereign states need to find their own destiny whether we like what they choose or not…
ByteMe
February 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
If its good enough for poor Americans then I would expect its good enough for them.
Charity begins for them with those they can’t see. They reserve their disdain for the people in their own country and the people in countries who they are told to hate.
They are lemmings, no matter how much money they have.
Stonethrower
February 2nd, 2012
9:39 am
“Richard Nixon is a no good, lying bastard. He can lie out of both sides of his mouth at the same time, and if he ever caught himself telling the truth, he’d lie just to keep his hand in. ” Harry Truman said this about Nixon but it I say it applies to all of politicians!
kayaker 71
February 2nd, 2012
9:40 am
Lord Help Us,
When America quit fighting wars to win, we settled for “police actions”, like Korea. If we are going to commit troops and money to a conflict, we should be in it to win. Otherwise, we should never get involved in the first place. Politics has always gotten in the way of settling a conflict when it was nearing it’s end. It happened in Yalta after WWII, Paris after Vietnam…. it continues to give us an out for making bad decisions that are supposed to “settle the matter”. Who suffers?…. the troops and their families who sacrifice for a nation who, for the most part, could care less about the outcome as long as it doesn’t interfere with their I Phone reception or make them wait in some gasoline line to fill up their SUVs. We have become a nation of quitters but most of us who spent a lot of time in the military had no choice but to work for these quitters who always seemed to have some excuse for not winning a conflict and settling for second best.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
9:40 am
R. Lee — “you forgot Lebanon”
I didn’t. I knew a young Marine who died there that morning.
Jay
February 2nd, 2012
9:41 am
When we pull out of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai and his government won’t last 6 months.
Kayaker, I fear that may be true. But I also fear that if we stayed there another 10 years and spent another trillion dollars and invested another 2,000 American lives, it would still be true then.
Do you disagree?
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
9:43 am
Truth
Obama does say tax me more….Most of the rich “crats” (oh a cute new nickname!) say the same thing.
Romney and the chest beaters…..well I have yet to see them take up arms.
Hell Newt even refused to work while in school…..
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
9:43 am
Mick – “Bone up on your history, war has devasted many an empire draining both blood and treasure.”
Yep, look no further than the Russion withdrawl from Afghanistan. By the time the pulled out, the Soviet Union was so broke that it could no longer remain a Superpower.
Lord Help Us
February 2nd, 2012
9:43 am
‘…nation who, for the most part, could care less about the outcome as long as it doesn’t interfere with their I Phone reception or make them wait in some gasoline line to fill up their SUVs.’
Add, and doesn’t result in higher taxes…
I agree, but still would like an answer to, ‘What now?’
mm
February 2nd, 2012
9:44 am
“We have become a nation of quitters but most of us who spent a lot of time in the military had no choice but to work for these quitters who always seemed to have some excuse for not winning a conflict and settling for second best.”
The disgusting righties act like we’re playing a video game.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
9:46 am
Joe HM, since I was Army I love giving Marines hell but the fact is those fine young men deserved better from their commander in chief.
Jm
February 2nd, 2012
9:47 am
We need to go “light footprint” in Afghanistan
10,000 troops to keep the bad guys in check
Drones to do some additional dirty work
I’m fine with a drawdown, as long as it’s not to 0 (or 0 plus a few training guys)
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
9:48 am
kayker71 – “When America quit fighting wars to win, we settled for “police actions”, like Korea. If we are going to commit troops and money to a conflict, we should be in it to win.”
On that I 100% agree with you. The unfortunate reality of war is that you absolutely have to fight to win. If you go in with the intent of minimal loss of life and try to avoid collateral damage, then you will never achieve the objective. I don’t advovate the use of force, but unless you are prepared to commit completely to what needs to be done, then you shouldn’t go at all.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
9:49 am
Kayaker, I’m rather surprised but I have to agree with what you said
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
9:50 am
Really Granny??? Because I have friends that have been to war and they support taking out the Taliban. You dont get the same thoughts from you vets you know?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
9:52 am
R. Lee — “Joe HM, since I was Army I love giving Marines hell but the fact is those fine young men deserved better from their commander in chief.”
I was Army too, but I mourn the loss of any American servicemember, no matter what branch they served in (Coast Guardsmen included).
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
9:52 am
“we can keep the Taliban at bay as long as the United States “is willing to commit significant military and economic resources to a counterinsurgency effort.”
It isn’t the U.S.’s job to police/provide for the world. We have problems of our own to take off.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
9:53 am
Five GOP senators are trying to stop the automatic defense cuts triggered by the super committee’s failure to reach an agreement to reduce the deficit by $1.2 trillion. Their bill, to be released today, is expected to be similar to a proposal by House Armed Services Chairman Buck McKeon (R-CA), who introduced a bill to halt the first year of sequestration cuts by slashing federal jobs.
TPM
Would this properly be called welching?
Pat
February 2nd, 2012
9:53 am
Too many Republicans enjoy the macho exercise of American military power, paid for by the blood of other people’s children (in this “voluntary” military one populated largely by the underclasses, who have fewer options, the children of the people they’ve crushed economically.) The lower and lower-middle classes’ progeny do make useful cannon fodder – and there are an endless supply of them. This kind of phony “tough talk” costs GOP candidates nothing, and has the red meat crowd swooning. Pandering to crowds of people who will pay little to no price for war is easy.
But it’s only at the prospect of little Kevin being drafted out of Yale that this group suddenly decides what wars are actually worth fighting and spilling the blood of the people who “matter.” Detestable.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
9:53 am
Robert Lee- Who was it that ordered the mission to kill Bin Laden?
Bush. He ordered the one for Hussein too.
Cynic
February 2nd, 2012
9:54 am
Who was it that ordered the mission to kill Bin Laden?
OMfargingG! This proves O’ is the alpha male and INCREDIBLE decision maker. There is only 1 choice in 2k12.
kayaker 71
February 2nd, 2012
9:54 am
Bookman, 9:41,
No, I do not disagree. Karzai is a weak sister, bolstered by a very corrupt government of people on the take from drug money, political favors and graft. He will end up in some African country as an exile with gazillions of bucks in some Swiss bank, while the Taliban step in and re-occupy the country and the government. The Taliban will be emboldened by their success in defeating the Great Satan. It will not bode well for our future.
jconservative
February 2nd, 2012
9:54 am
The problem with “beating them” in Afghanistan is that a whole bunch of nations and leaders have been trying to do that since Alexander the Great failed to do so in 330 BC.
The Greeks, Indians, Persians, Parthians, Mongolians, British, and Russians all tried and all failed.
And now the US has been at it for 10 years. And after 10 years we have been no more successful than our predecessors.
What is the old saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
Lord Help Us
February 2nd, 2012
9:55 am
JKLdeuce still loves him some Bush…
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
9:56 am
Truth, the original mission was to take out Al Queda right? Then W pulled most of the troops and sent them to Iraq (who had previously been our ally that we sold arms to) to fight the evil Saddam Hussien and his nonexistant WMDs. Why W felt the need to stay and try to rebuild a stone age society is beyond me….
Jerome Horwitz
February 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
All this tough talk from a guy who stated his sons serve their country better by being in his campaign bus than in the military. Sorry Mitt Baby you lost all respect with that line. I’ll believe a tough talking politician when their son/daughter puts it on the line.
Remember in WW II most of the “elite” in this country served bravely – The Roosevelt boys, G.H.W. Bush, Kennedy’s, etc. Best way to end the war is to institute a draft – no exemptions. Be like Viet Nam, once the rich boys had to fight it was over.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
B. Cassidy — ” I don’t advovate the use of force, but unless you are prepared to commit completely to what needs to be done, then you shouldn’t go at all.
IMO, our misdirected efforts in Iraq were a critical failure when it comes to the Afghanistan campaign. We *knew* that OBL and Mullah Omar were in Afghanistan, yet we fiddled around and frittered away time and resources in Iraq. Had I my way, we’d have given the Talib leaders of Afghanistan an ultimatum and a date certain. If they didn’t turn over those two jerks, then we should have gone in like gangbusters and not stopped until we had both OBL and Omar, dead or alive.
Saddam Hussein was a dirtbag and I’m not sad to see him go. But the fact of the matter is that he didn’t have WMD (and the ‘evidence’ was scanty and ambiguous), whereas we KNEW that OBL was behind 9/11 and we had a pretty good idea where his goat-smelling behind was located.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
B. Cassidy — ” I don’t advovate the use of force, but unless you are prepared to commit completely to what needs to be done, then you shouldn’t go at all.
IMO, our misdirected efforts in Iraq were a critical failure when it comes to the Afghanistan campaign. We *knew* that OBL and Mullah Omar were in Afghanistan, yet we fiddled around and frittered away time and resources in Iraq. Had I my way, we’d have given the Talib leaders of Afghanistan an ultimatum and a date certain. If they didn’t turn over those two jerks, then we should have gone in like gangbusters and not stopped until we had both OBL and Omar, dead or alive.
Saddam Hussein was a dirtbag and I’m not sad to see him go. But the fact of the matter is that he didn’t have WMD (and the ‘evidence’ was scanty and ambiguous), whereas we KNEW that OBL was behind 9/11 and we had a pretty good idea where his goat-smelling behind was located.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
carlosgvv- Since the Talaban can be trusted about as much as Hitler, it seems we are conceding defeat and getting out
Guess you missed your hero’s entire foreign policy. We need to talk to our enemies because we don’t understand them. I’m sure if we just tell them “we love them” they won’t want to kill us anymore…
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
9:59 am
Truth
Truth
Punkin, most everybody would like the Taliban to fall off the face of the planet. DUH.
How many more veterans do you want to see coming home in a box because the Taliban vexes you?
JF McNamara
February 2nd, 2012
10:00 am
We already beat the Taliban. Didn’t we? Frankly, I say reinstall the Taliban if thats what the people of Afghanistan want.
As long as they do not harbor terrorist, I do not care one iota about Afghanistan. Leave and kill the terrorist with the Taliban in power. The war is against terrorism, not the Taliban.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
10:01 am
Joe HM 9:52
R. Lee — “Joe HM, since I was Army I love giving Marines hell but the fact is those fine young men deserved better from their commander in chief.”
I was Army too, but I mourn the loss of any American servicemember, no matter what branch they served in (Coast Guardsmen included).
I’m not sure which part of my statement you felt offended by but it was entirely sympathetic and I too mourn the loss of any service member (which was implied by my statement)
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
10:02 am
yaker
That’s ridiculous, afghani people couldn’t find the US on a map! For all practical purposes they still have a 16th century economy and you are afraid of them??? It’s insanity, a madhouse of ignorance…
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
10:04 am
You guys need to check this out. Disgusting and heartbreaking:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
10:04 am
JKL2 — “Bush. He ordered the one for Hussein too.”
Actually, there are some indications that someone highly placed in the Bush Administration *called off* an attack on OBL when we had him localized in the Tora Bora region of Afghanistan, so I don’t credit that Bush gave any specific order to kill OBL.
And he didn’t give any order to kill Saddam Hussein; the ROE specified live capture if possible, and then turning him over to civilian Iraqi authorities (once the new government had been established).
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:04 am
Ok… Lets let Obama and all the crats redistribute their own wealth and see if they can fix the economy since they are all experts.
People like Warren Buffett and others have already put up their dollars. So what say you NOW?
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
10:05 am
JLK2, yes W did order a mission to kill OBL, but he also decided it was not worth it anymore and called it off. Obama reinstitiuted that mission and was able to complete it.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
10:07 am
R. Lee — “I’m not sure which part of my statement you felt offended by”
I didn’t. I apologize if I gave you that impression. It appears we feel much the same way about our fallen brothers- and sisters-in-arms.
Lord Help Us
February 2nd, 2012
10:07 am
As I recall, GWB did not consider OBL important.
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
10:07 am
Granny, I am in no way “pro war” but I do understand the need to take care of business. I would love for all the troops to be home. There is a fine line that needs to be walked and it is easy to fall to either side. The world we live in today is crazy. There are some bad people that intend on doing us harm so we must do what we can to protect ourselves without going overboard, which I admit we have somewhat. America is not the bad guy. Have there been decisions that we wish we hadnt made? Yes. But overall the troops are doing what it takes for you and me to sleep well at night.
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
10:08 am
JKL2: “Who was it that ordered the mission to kill Bin Laden? / Bush. He ordered the one for Hussein too.”
Hussein, who was a threat to us on the level of Bin Laden HOW?
Of all the blithering Bircher paranoia we’re subjected to here, your diatribes rank up there among the most tiresome.
Why don’t you try some intelligent criticism of your opponents for a change?
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
10:08 am
Guy Incognito
February 2nd, 2012
9:26 am
Gallup’s State-by-State Poll out:
Yes, and I can see by the link you posted it’s the same chain e-mail that we first saw yesterday afternoon and was repeated at least once more.
Kinda late to the party with that one, but thanks for playing.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
10:09 am
JHM – “IMO, our misdirected efforts in Iraq were a critical failure when it comes to the Afghanistan campaign.”
No argument there. I’ve always belived that had we stuck to the mision on Afghanistan, we could have taken out Bin Laden much earlier. Then we could have assessed what other areas could be a potential threat to the U.S. Going into Iraq at the time was an idiotic and ill concieved plan. Still is IMO.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
10:10 am
Cynic- This proves O’ is the alpha male and INCREDIBLE decision maker
ROFLMMFAO!!! If there is an alpha in the obama household it would have to be Michelle. He is an INCREDIBLE decision maker as long as you accept “present” as a decision. The man has yet to take responsibility for anything that’s happened in the last three years and you seriously want to call him an “alpha male and “dicision maker”?
A picture is worth a thousand words. Since you have forgotten, here’s your “alpha male” hiding in the corner. Except for the people standing in the second row, it doesn’t look like he’s in charge of anything here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/obama-osama-bin-laden-mission-pictures-photos_n_856641.html#273024
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
10:10 am
Adam… I say their way didnt work… And also that capital gains tax is different that income tax.
kayaker 71
February 2nd, 2012
10:10 am
The Pakistanis screamed to high heaven when Seal Team 6 “violated the sovereignty” of their country in taking out OBL. The Somalis didn’t have much to say when another Seal team dropped by and freed a couple of hostages. I am not for “cowboy diplomacy” and bullying other countries around. However, as in the case with the Somali pirates taking tankers hostage, we should have a presence in international waters to protect our interests. A lot of Americans were pretty proud of those Seals that shot those bad guys and freed that ship Captain. You should see the You Tube video of how the Russians handled a similar situation.
Michael
February 2nd, 2012
10:10 am
Truth, the is an unwinnable war. Taking care of business might take 100 years and then it might still be raging on. There are other more effective and less costly ways of dealing with this place. Let’s hope India takes Pakistan out someday.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:11 am
The man has yet to take responsibility for anything that’s happened in the last three years
Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement
curious
February 2nd, 2012
10:11 am
Why not crank up the draft?
If you’re too old, then let your chuldren serve.
Put your money (rear end) up and get in the game. Talk is cheap!
Army 1969-2011
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
10:12 am
“Taking care of business (every day)
Taking care of business (every way)
I’ve been taking care of business (it’s all mine)
Taking care of business and working overtime
Work out”
– Thomas Jefferson
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
10:12 am
JKL2 –
when people have doubts about your critical thinking skills, why do you work so hard to verify it?
TaxPayer
February 2nd, 2012
10:15 am
I’ll let the Taliban leaders win at Rock/Paper/Scissors and then make $10,000 bets with them that they can’t do it again and then I’ll show them how I mastered the game in college. I’ll beat them. They’ll never know what hit them. They’re so poor. — Mitt Romney
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:15 am
Truth: I say their way didnt work
Of course not. It’s like trying to subsidize schools with a little bit of money that isn’t enough, and then critics like you saying “See! It didn’t work!” You can’t expect one or two people or even just a hundred to make up for the deficit. But you CAN expect that EVERYONE who makes over a certain dollar amount can chip in a little more, and that will have a profound effect on the deficit. But I realize math and science aren’t exactly things you guys like to admit have any reality-based effects.
And also that capital gains tax is different that income tax.
Legally, right now, yes. I say it SHOULD NOT be that way. Income is income, and the only reason to protect investment income so strongly with a flat low rate is to say “I got mine and screw everyone else who wasn’t as luck and privileged as me to be able to get this far.”
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
10:15 am
JKL2 – “The man has yet to take responsibility for anything that’s happened in the last three years and you seriously want to call him an “alpha male and “dicision maker”?”
I thought he took responsiblity for making the decision to greenlight Team 6 to move in and kill OBL. At least that’s according to Robert Gates who said ” The decision to send in Seal Team6 was one fo the gutsiest decisions I’ve ever seen a President make” Of course, we all know what a flaming “lib” Robert Gates is.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:17 am
No one wants to attack NASA for being a liberal hack since they proved global warming is real and humans are mostly the cause? I take your silence to mean you admit defeat on this issue.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
10:17 am
Truth
Good thing – you not being pro war. Congrats on that.
“Taking care of business” – what we all want.
I and many more think that things that go boom aren’t always the right approach and seldom should be the first.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:18 am
It means willard wants to keep wasting billions there and cut SS and Medicare.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
10:19 am
It means willard wants to keep wasting billions there and cut SS and Medicare.
As always, you cut right to the heart of the matter. Thanks for that by the way.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:20 am
Wow, here’s a shocker: Romney will say anything to get elected….BO will say anything to get re-elected. The winner will be the one who raises the most money. Both support warmongering and evangelical democracy….like corrupted pastors on fund raising binge. At least Romney is not completely corrupted yet…
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
10:20 am
Welcome- Of all the blithering Bircher paranoia we’re subjected to here, your diatribes rank up there among the most tiresome.
Why don’t you try some intelligent criticism of your opponents for a change?
Have no idea what you mean, but I’m sure it’s a great point. (I’m from IL so we don’t base everything from the starting point of racism like people on here do).
Talking with most liberals is like talking with women. You can’t win a debate on intelligence when the person your debating ignores rationality and common sense.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
10:21 am
Curious, I agree 100%. If the draft came back there would be a lot fewer deployments taking place. I have fond memories of basic training and a rich kid from LA who had argued with his dad and decided he would go into the Army to get money for dental school instead of following dad’s plan for medical school. His storys about their ranch in Utah, houses along the coast of California, multiple brand new cars in high school (as they were stolen, he got a new one each time) etc etc. All of us poor kids were in awe of his decision and dreamed of having those options.
Don't Forget
February 2nd, 2012
10:22 am
I haven’t read all the posts but don’t forget to look at the map. Afghanistan is land locked, we are entirely dependent on Pakistan to supply and defend our guys over there. So what happens if we end up in a confrontation with Iran? Does Pakistan side with us? Do they allow us to continue to supply our troops? Do we end up having to fight our way out? Maybe it wouldn’t be a problem but if it is a problem it’s a big problem.
Thomas
February 2nd, 2012
10:23 am
I say it SHOULD NOT be that way.
Agreed- then do away with the 3k a year net capital loss limitation for individuals and $0 net capital loss for corporations- fair? The gov’t then doesn’t have heads I win tails you lose.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
10:23 am
Adam- The man has yet to take responsibility for anything that’s happened in the last three years
Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement
The man is running for re-elction based on “it’s Bush’s fault”
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
10:25 am
Adam… Those people are already carrying a huge tax burden for the rest of us. If you start to tax these people more then they have no incentive to keep producing for the economy.
As for capital gains… Why would you punish people for investing? It is a huge part of the economy. People invest with the possibility on losing their money. Its like gambling. And if the house takes too big of a cut then nobody will gamble which will hurt the economy even more.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:27 am
At least Romney is not completely corrupted yet…
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:28 am
The man is running for re-elction based on “it’s Bush’s fault”
ALSO Not Intended to be a Factual Statement
Go ahead, “prove” me wrong with a quote from 2009 or 2010.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:28 am
If you start to tax these people more then they have no incentive to keep producing for the economy.
And what exactly are they producing now? Also, the idea that people will stop investing if investment tax rates go up has been thoroughly debunked.
0311/1811
February 2nd, 2012
10:29 am
JAY:
How do you beat any kind of evil especially when aimed at the United States ? Organized crime? The Mafia? KKK? al Qaeda? Weather Underground (Obama’s friends)? Terrorists in general? Pedophiles? Rapists?
You keep at it in the most efficient way possible.
Tommy Maddox
February 2nd, 2012
10:30 am
Romney – bad.
Obama – mystical.
Another day closer to November.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:30 am
It is a HUGE fallacy that people at the top income brackets would suddenly want to stop making money just because a little bit more is taken in taxes. That’s like saying that people stay poor because they LIKE it.
And don’t worry, I know some of you ACTUALLY believe both of these things, and that is why you are not to be trusted with any objective analysis of economic and social situations.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:31 am
You keep at it in the most efficient way possible.
Indefinitely occupying a country is NOT the most efficient way possible.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:32 am
JKL2,
Agreed on liberal’s debate style but they are mirrored by those on the far right to be sure. Why should BO change the theme that has gotten him thus far….change you can count on reads “not my fault”…He’s accomplished nothing that is material to the masses that will stand the test of time. His signature healthcare bill will cost trillions…and likely no small number of jobs…Heck, a union shop like AT&T will have to continue to increase costs beyond the $1 billion already announced….strange days indeed.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
10:33 am
0311/1811 so do you think that bribing Afghans with billions of dollars is the most efficient way possible? How about building hospitals and schools? It seems to me that you go in a kill them and then LEAVE.
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
10:33 am
Formula for failure: announce a withdrawal date, so the enemy merely has to wait.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
10:34 am
JKL2
“Talking with most liberals is like talking with women.”
This feeling you have surprises us not.
Don’t fool yourself, he’s running on a record to be proud of.
Truth
Why would you punish people for labor?
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:35 am
Also, it means after next year, there will be peace and prosperity.
I am a big fan of peace and prosperity.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
10:36 am
Formula for greater failure – stay there indefinately…
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
10:36 am
Adam… Obviously this boils down to 2 diferent mindsets…
I believe raising taxes on the them would hurt the economy including job loss and that individuals can make better use of their own money that government.
You believe that the government has a right to more of peoples money for the “common good” and that government can spend it better.
There will never be an agreement on this issue with you.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
10:37 am
Update: Day 7 of the birther thread and it’s still going.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:37 am
ADAM,
I couldn’t stomach the STATE speech…too much background noise….this is one take…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-grenell/its-not-my-fault-but-ill_b_439713.html
Also, relative to taxing the evil rich, can anyone spell “deferred compensation”?
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
10:37 am
JKL2: “Talking with most liberals is like talking with women. You can’t win a debate on intelligence when the person your debating ignores rationality and common sense”
You start out with an anti-lib position and re-order the entire universe of facts to support that position. Under no circumstances would you ever concede that your opponent’s position has any merit to it.
And you claim that it’s your opponents who are irrational and emotion-driven?
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:37 am
rag.
That is an ignorant.
They know we will leave.
We are broke remember.
Did you want us to collapse like the USSR?
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
10:38 am
Granny… I dont understand what you mean by “Why would you punish people for labor”. Please explain.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
10:38 am
Rags, so how long would you keep our troops in country then? Did you envision an overnight pullout by all troops so that the enemy is surprised? What responsibility do the Afghan people have for their own situation?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
10:38 am
JKL2 — “Talking with most liberals is like talking with women. You can’t win a debate on intelligence when the person your debating ignores rationality and common sense.”
Wow! Between the patronizing attitude, the stalking and the public micturation, I bet you’re just a HIT with the ladies! (laughing, pointing)
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:38 am
Oops,
argument.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
10:40 am
Truth
See your previous post and think harder.
Yes you can.
Dirty Dawg
February 2nd, 2012
10:40 am
It’s not the tax on ‘long term’ (remember that modifier) capital gains that’s the issue. It’s all the crap about how lobbiests have succeeded in getting stuff like ‘retained interest’, along with a whole host of others, that’s the pisser. And how in hell does a Mitt Romney get away with giving his kids $100 million each ‘tax free’?
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:40 am
KAMCHAK,
Why do you suppose folks keep bringing that birther (was that even a word before BO?) thingy up?
We all know it’s not relevant….my daughter knows when to ingnore my immaturity…which if more frequent than I will admit.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
10:41 am
Micturation? I’m mortified….
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
10:42 am
Interesting Gallup report. Based on the recent CBO’s dismal economic projection and this report the Obama campaign only has one strategy and it will be attack, attack and continue to attack right up to election day. Will it work or will it backfire? Could probably go either way. It has shaped up to be bloody.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/152372/Obama-Approval-Above-States-2011.aspx
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
10:42 am
Joe HM, micturation – good one, had to go look that up
godless heathen
February 2nd, 2012
10:43 am
Adam,
“No one wants to attack NASA for being a liberal hack since they proved global warming is real and humans are mostly the cause? I take your silence to mean you admit defeat on this issue.”
Could it be because this thread, nor the previous 5 where you have posted this, are about global warming? As they say, if you don’t like the subject, start your own blog.
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
10:44 am
Sorry Granny… I dont see it
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:45 am
You believe that the government has a right to more of peoples money for the “common good” and that government can spend it better.
Way to put words in my mouth. Let’s try this alternative version:
You believe people at the top should be taxed less and less so they can hoard more money and not contribute it more to the economy at all.
I believe people at the top should pay at least as much of a tax rate as a majority of people in the middle class pay.
See how that works?
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:45 am
It really doesn’t matter what we do in Afghanistan…we may as well leave now. That country is as ready for democracy as Venezuela. It’s really none of our business how they treat each other….the taliban will definitely be back in power and perhaps that’s what those folks deserve presently. Our mission was to……..oh oh…I forgot. What was our mission again?
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:46 am
godless: As they say, if you don’t like the subject, start your own blog.
I did.
And no, it’s because no one can make a legitimate argument against global warming now. so there.
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
10:46 am
Dear getalife @ 10:37, good morning, fair question. If the military constituted more than 35% of Federal spending, your argument would have a grain of truth. The waste arises from the non-military bureaucracies, and the ripple damage they inflict on the private economy. No, the formula for failure is to abandon the cause, and to allow the terrorists to grow back to the pre-Bush level.
We have been in German for 66 years. I suspect it will take nearly as long to root out the bad guys in Afghanistan, unless we take direct action in Iran.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:47 am
You can tell our President made the right call because our cons change the subject,
godless heathen
February 2nd, 2012
10:47 am
“so there.”
You forgot the “phtttt”
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:48 am
That is a load of crap rag.
How much will it cost to stay in combat?
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
10:48 am
stevie ray
Good points about afghanistan. Unless we want to rule the world, we need to back off big time. As a matter of fact, china needs to find some nice wars to bleed their treasury, have at it…
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:48 am
Stevie Ray: .this is one take…
From a speech in 2010. Since then, nary a peep about how it’s not his fault. And btw, general “spending” is not the problem. It’s what the money is spent ON that matters, and it’s who gets the biggest tax breaks that matters, when we are trying to take a real serious approach to the deficit.
TaxPayer
February 2nd, 2012
10:48 am
Are racists dumb? Do conservatives tend to be less intelligent than liberals? A provocative new study from Brock University in Ontario suggests the answer to both questions may be a qualified yes. The study, published in Psychological Science, showed that people who score low on I.Q. tests in childhood are more likely to develop prejudiced beliefs and socially conservative politics in adulthood.
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
10:49 am
Dear gatalife @ 10:48, less than the damage EPA inflicts on the economy every year.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:50 am
RECON,
Interesting. It’d be great if we get rid of BO. Then we can give someone else a chance to accomplish nothing. The idea that government can do anything of substance that can be directly, without ambiguity, linked to improved economic conditions on a macro scale during one or two terms is ridiculous. Unless of course, we are talking about increased government…government can quickly hurt the economy but can quickly improve same.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
10:50 am
ragnar
When are you voluntering for said mission? Better yet, when are your sons, daughters, brothers, nieces, nephews volunteering? Right, thought so…
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
10:50 am
Stevie Ray
David Farrar is the man that got Orly to challenge Obama’s eligibility to be on the Ga. election ballot, and he is the one that keeps responding (even though he declared that thread absurd and not worth pursuing anymore) to his continued insistence that he will get some kind of judgement in his favor.
The fact that an individual is challenging a sitting president’s eligibility, is in itself, news.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:51 am
TaxPayer: Link me that.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
10:51 am
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
9:02 am
Of course Obama once said that Afghanistan was the war we needed to win. He evidently changed his mind. Oh well, politicians. I think we should get out of there now.
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holy cave droppings Batman, I agree with Recon on something?
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
10:51 am
LOL
I see Del is the lastest recipient of that chain email
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
10:51 am
Truth
I’m sorry you don’t see it either.
Labor on it a while.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
10:51 am
Come on Rags, you know that the bases in Germany were to keep the USSR from invading Germany again.
You’ve still not answered my question, in your opinion, what responsibility do the Afghans have to their own country/government? We rebeled against oppression and made our own as we saw fit to do. Why can’t they be expected to do the same without our help? We already completed our mission of removning al queda.
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
10:52 am
ragnar: “We have been in German for 66 years. ”
But Germany in 1945 was in rubble. It was rebuilt under our supervision (along with Britain and France).
“I suspect it will take nearly as long to root out the bad guys in Afghanistan, unless we take direct action in Iran.”
No comparison here. De-Nazification did not take 60 years.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
10:52 am
Adam- Go ahead, “prove” me wrong with a quote from 2009 or 2010.
How about an oldie but a goodie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-0ecuS8tWs
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:52 am
rag,
Wrong as usual.
Then you want to borrow more to occupy Iran.
Thank goodness the American people are sick of you cons and wasting our money.
Just another reason you deserve to lose.
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
10:53 am
Adam… Why act like a jerk? No wonder this country is so divided. Its people like you who cant just discuss without acting like a jackbag.
How about this:
You believe people at the top should pay at least as much of a tax rate as a majority of people in the middle class pay.
I believe that income tax and capital gains tax are completely different. And that raising capital gains taxes would hurt the economy and supress business.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:53 am
Stevie Ray: The idea that government can do anything of substance that can be directly, without ambiguity, linked to improved economic conditions on a macro scale during one or two terms is ridiculous. Unless of course, we are talking about increased government…
So, the government CAN do something of substance?
I do wonder what you think isn’t substantive abotu, oh say….
Medicare
Social Security
The Army
The Navy (and other armed forces)
The FBI
The Interstate Highway system
The CFPB
The NLRB
etc etc
And btw, I totally threw those last two in there for bait. chomp chomp!
AngryRedMarsWoman
February 2nd, 2012
10:53 am
kayaker 71 February 2nd, 2012 9:40 am – Amen. Because we have been tip-toeing through everything since WWII and not doing what it takes to win – no matter how horrible that “it” might be through civilian eyes. Instead, we let our military men and women suffer and die for this pu**yfooting BS. Turn off the cameras and take care of business.
Jay said “But I also fear that if we stayed there another 10 years and spent another trillion dollars and invested another 2,000 American lives, it would still be true then.” Exactly, and the place is a total craphole that is not worth the American blood that has already been spilled. Absolutely nothing worth saving there. Wipe it out….let it lie barren for a couple of generations and then see if anything decent (people, crops, whatever) will grow there. I doubt it.
Pat – “in this “voluntary” military one populated largely by the underclasses, who have fewer options, the children of the people they’ve crushed economically”. I really wish that people would stop trying to portray our military as a bunch of poor fools who had no other choices. My husband was career military…a grunt….still in the reserves….he was a recruiter for a little while…parachute infantry for the rest…he says your comment is crap and I think he would know a little better than you would. Go look at the studies and you will see a military full of folks from everyday middle class families — these are not “impoverished” people. While there may be some folks in the military who feel they have no other options, the vast majority make the choice to serve for a multitude of reasons not based on poverty. Show some respect for folks a lot braver than you or I.
Paulo977
February 2nd, 2012
10:54 am
Anyone listen to Obama’s speech at the Prayer Breakfast?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
10:54 am
When America quit fighting wars to win, we settled for “police actions”, like Korea. If we are going to commit troops and money to a conflict, we should be in it to win. Otherwise, we should never get involved in the first place.
Amen. We should have never put boots on the ground in the first place. On 9/11, Afghanistan didn’t attack us, AQ did. We could have terminated training camps and it’s inhabitants with guided munitions, drones, and other weaponry we have at our disposal. If we were not willing to level Afghanistan completely, we should have never gone in on the ground.
“War is cruelty. There’s no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over.”
–William Tecumseh Sherman
Jcon @ 9:54
Best post thus far!!!
RB from Gwinnett
February 2nd, 2012
10:54 am
Leaving Afghanistan isn’t going to make the Taliban stop hatIng us or attacking us and we’re going to fight this battle with radical Islam by whatever name they want to call themselves, regardless of who’s in the WH. Thes people are at the heart of ever conflict going on in the world and burying our heads in the sand ain’t gonna help that.
TaxPayer
February 2nd, 2012
10:54 am
Per your request, Adam.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
10:56 am
Truth: Why act like a jerk? No wonder this country is so divided. Its people like you who cant just discuss without acting like a jackbag.
Way to go with the projection. I mean, you put up something about how my views are all about hurting the country, and then I turn it around on you to make a point about how stupid it was to do that and you projecting “jackbag” and “No wonder this country is divided” onto me?
I’ll leave you to figure out why this is a problem for you, personally. And I know you will figure this out privately, even if you won’t admit it publicly.
n
February 2nd, 2012
10:56 am
Unfortunately “macho blather” describes a major part of the march of folly that is human history, with it’s endless wars causing endless death and destruction worldwide.
Will someone please invent a virus that disables machismo so that the human race can evolve?
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
10:57 am
We did go into Afghanistan to win it.
Then w decided to cut and run to occupy Iraq remember?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
10:57 am
Kam, I am not surprised. That particular poster is rabid in his beliefs and seeks attention. What really amazes me is that some intelligent people even think there is something there. I was talking with a Deal appointee a few days ago about some issues at the SOS offices and the appointee says on this issue “I think there is something there.” I asked about the Hawaiian certification and he looked at me blankly and says “did they certify it?” .
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
10:57 am
Mick: That’s ridiculous, afghani people couldn’t find the US on a map! For all practical purposes they still have a 16th century economy and you are afraid of them???
Based on that comment, you’d be surprised by the number of Afghanis here in the US as immigrants and visitors. They’re coming every day.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/military/article/Afghans-at-language-school-go-AWOL-785182.php
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:57 am
MICK,
Yeah, I often wonder how rich exactly that Chinese treasury truly is…
ADAM,
We have a collossal spending problem, no budget and taking more from the wealthy may make angry follks feel better, but it’s a lot of risk for small reward. If we keep spending so far beyond our means and not following a budget, we will end up having a huge VAT, worthless currency and will suffer the fate of any household who follows the same prescription. BO clearly directly or indirectly blames the hand he was dealt. Yes, some of us should pay more taxes but don’t you think we should be a bit concerned that BO et al completely disrespect our hard earned coin? They are just gonna piss it away paying back policital favors, growing entitlements, and simply losing track of god knows how much in wonton waste….I wouldn’t invest in a corporation that acted in this fiscal fashion would you?
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
10:58 am
Stevie Ray,
I’m of course a believer that the best place for government as it pertains to the economy is as a facilitator and not as a hands on fixer. At best the government can facilitate by helping to create an environment for economic growth. When it gets the idea that its mission is to take hands on control we get the problem we’re in now. Time for a new team.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
10:59 am
GETALIFE,
What were we trying to win in Afghanistan? In other words, what was our prize to be in exchange for lives lost?
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
10:59 am
granny- Don’t fool yourself, he’s running on a record to be proud of
I can only hope. I dream people will vote for him based on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin or “anyone but Bush” this time. I don’t see it happening, but I can dream.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:01 am
And then the cons will keep saying spending is the problem yet they want to stay in combat forever in Afghanistan.
Your positions do not make any sense to sane American cons.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:03 am
Stevie Ray: We have a collossal spending problem, no budget
We also have a revenue problem, and the budget is still in existence, just “frozen,” which means no increases except those already pre-determined by law. Conservatives may not like that we aren’t making a new budget that CUTS more, but liberals also like that we aren’t doing MORE cuts in a time of “uncertainty.” Both parties get half of what they want with the budget being the way it is: Liberals get no more cuts, and conservatives get no more tax increases. So personally, I do not see the problem with there being “no budget” and I also do not think you’re winning any independents by continuing to try to stress that point.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
11:04 am
Joe mama- Wow! Between the patronizing attitude, the stalking and the public micturation, I bet you’re just a HIT with the ladies! (laughing, pointing)
Been married for 20 years so I haven’t played that game for a long time. But I still look younger than I am and can do quite well for myself. To be a party animal, you have to learn to live in the jungle.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
11:04 am
ruth
February 2nd, 2012
10:53 am
I believe that income tax and capital gains tax are completely different. And that raising capital gains taxes would hurt the economy and supress business.
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And what do you have other than a belief? i mean my daughter believes in Santa and the Easter Bunny. The big money lie of, “Don’t tax us and we’ll create jobs and more money for the Country,” is just that, a lie. It’s not even a myth anymore, but an out right lie.
Do you remember how the talk show millionaires were pointing to Ireland as “proof” of this lie? I do. I also remember what happened to Ireland and their economy. i also notice the dunderheaded talk radio hosts just skip on over Ireland like it doesn’t exist anymore.
Why is it so hard to understand that you are being lied to repeatedly by people (whom you apparently trust) that have a vested interest in preaching “no taxes for the rich?” They ARE the rich lol. Rush got a 100 million dollar (at least) SIGNING bonus. You think he doesn’t have skin in the game? You don’t think he’s protecting his own interests above those of the Country?
What is so hard to understand that not only do we need to drastically cut spending, but we also need to raise taxes some?
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
11:04 am
ADAM,
I’m referring to economic policy not defense, general welfare et al. But since you brought up SS and MEDISCARE, let’s look at those for a moment. Gee, both are unfunded to the collective tune of …..are you ready…$50 plus TRILLION. Between these that other insurance foibles (FM, FF, Medicaid,) it’s clear the Gov has no idea how insurance mechanism works. I like the idea of covering pre-existing conditions but here’s the fun part….do you know why you can’t insure a burning building? Because its not insurance..
Speaking of armed forces, how many wars have we fought that represented a direct threat to our shores in the past 70 years?
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:04 am
Recon: When it gets the idea that its mission is to take hands on control we get the problem we’re in now.
True. The government had too much of a hands on approach when they decided to deregulate, start wars, add another drug prescription benefit without paying for it, and reduce taxes.
Truth
February 2nd, 2012
11:05 am
Adam… I never said anything about you hurting the country. I was just trying to point out that we have different mindsets and they will never align. We need to discuss calmly and with an open mind. If I say something that misrepresents you then just tell me and Ill accept it and move on with the discussion. The attitudes I see on the right and the left is saddening.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
11:06 am
RB — “Leaving Afghanistan isn’t going to make the Taliban stop hatIng us”
So whattaya gonna do, Champ? Kill every one of them worldwide?
I guess OBL was right. It really IS a war on Islam, at least where some people are concerned.
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
11:06 am
Dear Brainless Mick @ 10:50, my younger son is a Naval Officer, spent most of 2010 in Middle East. Admittedly his post-tsunami tour in Japan last year was not under fire, but he alone contributes more good to the nation than all of the Occupy movements combined.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
11:06 am
JKL — “To be a party animal, you have to learn to live in the jungle.”
Well, that explains the public micturation.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:06 am
Stevie Ray: You say all that like I’m supposed to ignore the good aspects of government in favor of going “government does SOME stuff slightly wrong, but instead of tweaking we should BURN IT ALL DOWN.” Maybe you’re not saying that, but I do hear similar rhetoric a lot.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
11:07 am
“The government had too much of a hands on approach when they decided to deregulate, start wars, add another drug prescription benefit without paying for it, and reduce taxes.”
Also w/ forcing every American to purchase health insurance or pay a fine.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:08 am
There will be permanent bases in Afghanastan so obl loses that one.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:08 am
ok Truth, fair. On your previous post we can agree to disagree. I do not think adjusting the capital gains rates to be a progressive system, or even just a higher rate, will harm investments or hurt the economy in any significant way.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
11:08 am
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
10:59 am
granny- Don’t fool yourself, he’s running on a record to be proud of
I can only hope. I dream people will vote for him based on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin or “anyone but Bush” this time. I don’t see it happening, but I can dream.
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So you are saying that I, a fat old white skinned redneck voted for Obama because of the color of his skin? Or are you saying that 53%of America is black and voted for him because of that? I’m not connecting your dots very well. I’m not sure they are all there to be honest………
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
11:08 am
We have a collossal spending problem, no budget and taking more from the wealthy may make angry follks feel better, but it’s a lot of risk for small reward. If we keep spending so far beyond our means and not following a budget, we will end up having a huge VAT, worthless currency and will suffer the fate of any household who follows the same prescription.
I disagree. Prior to the late 70’s and early 80’s, we had no such problems. The reason we have a perceived spending problem is because we have drastically cut revenues over the past 30-40 years while trying to deal with an ever growing and advancing society. If spending was kept flat over that same time period with the same cuts in revenue, we would probably still have the same results now. You can’t be a service provider who’s clientele is continuously expanding and purposefully cut your income while trying to provide the same level of service. It doesn’t work in the business world, and it won’t work in government.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:09 am
Peadawg: Also w/ forcing every American to purchase health insurance or pay a fine.
We haven’t actually seen the effects of that yet.
BTW, did you know that if you don’t have insurance and don’t pay the fine the IRS is not allowed to come after you for it?
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
11:10 am
Dear getalife @ 10:52, wrong as usual. I want to stop wasting money on US bureaucracies that do nothing but give jobs to unemployable leftists who majored in psychology. If a non-defense agency does anything affecting the private sector other than (1) punishing collusion, or (2) punishing fraud, it is time to abolish the agency.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
11:11 am
ADAM,
How can we know how much a revenue problem we have unless we know where our spending is not necessary? I like being able to argue both sides of any debate, but I simply can’t argue that living without a budget (forgetting the size) is smart. It’s more of the same…politics…no party wants a budget except to point our flaws in the other.
Spending is not flat….until campaign finance, insider trading etcetera get fixed, it won’t matter who is in office and we have only ourselves to blame. We are gullable sheep using retreaded talking points from the news outlets we share with our friends which is a diversion away from the real issue….our electorate is pissing on our heads and telling us it’s raining and we are buying it hook line and sinker. It is definitely raining but the half truths on both sides keep us diverted from the real problems
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
11:14 am
“I believe raising taxes on the them would hurt the economy including job loss and that individuals can make better use of their own money that government”
Because lowering them has proven to be such a HUGE success in boosting the economy and lowering the unemployment, right?
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
11:14 am
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
11:10 am
Dear getalife @ 10:52, wrong as usual. I want to stop wasting money on US bureaucracies that do nothing but give jobs to unemployable leftists who majored in psychology. If a non-defense agency does anything affecting the private sector other than (1) punishing collusion, or (2) punishing fraud, it is time to abolish the agency.
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And Obama is trying to do that. Has the party of no passed his bill on that yet?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
11:14 am
If a non-defense agency does anything affecting the private sector other than (1) punishing collusion, or (2) punishing fraud, it is time to abolish the agency.
So, you’re saying that the efforts of CBP/Border Patrol warrant it’s abolishment. Things we do affect the private sector, and it’s not all related to fraud or collusion. I understand the point you’re trying to make, but in trying to be “small government”, you’re gonna end up screwing the pooch for the sake of your ideology.
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
11:14 am
Dear Doggone @ 11:14, an economy needs government spending like a fish needs a bicycle.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
11:16 am
“We haven’t actually seen the effects of that yet.” – So? Your point?
“BTW, did you know that if you don’t have insurance and don’t pay the fine the IRS is not allowed to come after you for it?” – No I didn’t. So yet another useless law that’s not going to forced? What’s the point of the law then?
RB from Gwinnett
February 2nd, 2012
11:16 am
Joe, you don’t get it do you? They have declared war on us. Leaving AFG doesn’t change that. Unless of course you can find some source where they say if we leave they’ll stop planning the next 9/11 attack??? Hurry back with that.
Or just hope you aren’t at the site of the. Next one when it comes.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:17 am
Stevie Ray: How can we know how much a revenue problem we have unless we know where our spending is not necessary?
We do know the answer to that, but the major parties cannot agree on anything there. Whatever the Democrats see as a spending problem, Republicans disagree, and vice versa. Hence no new budget (this is important. It’s no NEW budget, not “no budget”).
One we can finally agree that hey, we don’t NEED to pump that much money in defense, and there ARE ways to tweak SS and Medicare without losing coverage or making seniors pay more, etc etc, then you’ll see a new budget.
TaxPayer
February 2nd, 2012
11:18 am
Dr. Gordon Hodson, a professor of psychology at the university and the study’s lead author, said the finding represented evidence of a vicious cycle: People of low intelligence gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, which stress resistance to change and, in turn, prejudice, he told LiveScience.
Why might less intelligent people be drawn to conservative ideologies? Because such ideologies feature “structure and order” that make it easier to comprehend a complicated world, Dodson said. “Unfortunately, many of these features can also contribute to prejudice,” he added.
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
11:18 am
True. The government had too much of a hands on approach when they decided to over regulate, start wars in the M.E. and then create conditions ripe for much larger wars, add entitlement benefit without paying for it, and penalize the job creator segment of our society with the threat of higher taxes.
There Adam, I’ve helped by adding truth to your posted statement. No thanks necessary.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:19 am
RB: Joe, you don’t get it do you? They have declared war on us.
At this point, it’s a bit like the kid in your old neighborhood declaring he will egg your house AFTER you moved to another state.
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
11:20 am
I just visited the birther blog and I need a stiff drink.
teh stupid.
it burns
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
11:21 am
HOWDY BROCHEPHUS,
I’m sure there is some truth to you comments about spending but I’m not remotel sold. Spending per capita has expanded geometrically.
http://oregonstate.edu/cla/polisci/faculty-research/sahr/sumpercap.pdf
The non-means tested is staggering. Anyhow, I’m certain our electorate can account for a TRILLION dollars but have no confidence they can ACCOUNT for same. Thats scary.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
11:21 am
Sorry, electorate can count to a TRILLION but no way can they ACCOUNT for same..
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:23 am
Recon: So you think the economic crisis was caused by over regulation and “penalizing job creators”?
Just so we’re clear, here’s your original statement:
I’m of course a believer that the best place for government as it pertains to the economy is as a facilitator and not as a hands on fixer. At best the government can facilitate by helping to create an environment for economic growth. When it gets the idea that its mission is to take hands on control we get the problem we’re in now. Time for a new team.
You are clearly making an ECONOMIC argument here, and blaming the policies of the CURRENT administration for the economic problems we have experienced. So please explain, after you add this:
The government had too much of a hands on approach when they decided to over regulate, start wars in the M.E. and then create conditions ripe for much larger wars, add entitlement benefit without paying for it, and penalize the job creator segment of our society with the threat of higher taxes.
how ALL of that led to the economic disaster. You made four points there, don’t skimp out by only focusing on one or two or three.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
11:24 am
Bro – “You can’t be a service provider who’s clientele is continuously expanding and purposefully cut your income while trying to provide the same level of service. It doesn’t work in the business world, and it won’t work in government.”
But…but….but….Tax cuts!! Tax cuts!!!
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
11:25 am
Midori,
What birther blog? I need an excuse for a stiff drink!
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:25 am
Butch: But…but….but….Tax cuts!! Tax cuts!!!
Equivalent to asking for your boss to cut your pay because your household spending and bills keep going up.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
11:25 am
Off Topic – certainly entertaining
From The Greta Wire:
Tampa, FL — Florida’s primary might not be over just yet.
The Newt Gingrich campaign is gearing up to challenge the results of the florida primary based on the Republican National Committee’s own rules which state that no contest can be winner take all prior to April 1, 2012. (See attached RNC memo.)
The Gingrich campaign plans to challenge Florida’s winner take all status & demand proportional allocation of delegates.
Fox News has learned that Thursday, a Florida Gingrich campaign official will begin the process of trying to have the RNC rules enforced so that the Sunshine State delegates are proportionately allocated.
RNC Chairman Reince Priebus warned Florida Republican Party Chairman Lenny Curry of the violation in a December letter quoting the rule, “…’winner-take-all’ states cannot hold a primary or caucus before April 1, 2012.”
Tuesday night’s Mitt Romney victory in the Sunshine State awarded the former Massachusetts Governor all 50 Florida delegates (the state was already docked half their delegates for moving the election up on the calendar). Romeny won the primary with 46% to Gingrich’s 2nd place with 32%. Rick Santorum finished 3rd with 13% and Ron Paul with 7%.
My oh my
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
11:25 am
and penalize the job creator segment of our society with the threat of higher taxes.
LOL two lies for the price of one. First of, they aren’t “Job creators” they are job abolishers. They have slashed American jobs and reaped record profits by doing so while enriching other Countries.
Secondly, how do you “punish” with “the threat of higher taxes?” There is no punishment. Come on now, when repeating your puppet masters words, remember that not everyone is functionally illiterate and gullible. Those little talk radio quaint little sayings don’t work on us folks who have and use a brain…………
St Simons - codewords are the new black
February 2nd, 2012
11:26 am
In his defense, the poors – the kind that work for a living & serve
in the military – are like unicorns to Rmoney.
He’s heard of them, but he’s nevah seen one.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
11:26 am
Normal
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2012/01/27/some-cold-water-on-overheated-birther-mania/?cp=16
Jay’s thread from last Thursday. It’s still going
Paulo977
February 2nd, 2012
11:28 am
HELP ..anyone else have trouble with posting?
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
11:28 am
ADAM,
Agreed on defense spending…this is the area of likely the most corrupted outcomes in the history of corrupted outcomes. It seems that just because we have a military, we must use them at any excuse…as long as we create new and improved killing means we have to buy them …..ad nausea.
Much of the entitlements are valid but I’m a monkeys uncle if we can shake out 20% or so out of these programs without requiring granny to go without her meds…..
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
11:28 am
I think most conservatives will agree that Leon Panetta is a good guy, probably the best in the administration. I perceive he does not really desire negotiations with the Taliban, knowing the likely outcome will be the same as the Nixonian Paris Peace talks.
If Chauncey wanted to really make a difference in Afghanistan, he could make a simple announcement: “We are withdrawing troops from Afghanistan ASAP, but we will continue to deploy drones, endeavoring to assassinate any Taliban rising to a position of power.”
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
11:29 am
HELP ..anyone else have trouble with posting?
I haven’t noticed any problems.
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
11:29 am
Normal –
the birther thread Jay started last week.
funny as h*ll — check it out
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
11:29 am
Kammie? is that really David Farrar on that blog lol?
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
11:31 am
Off topic…but good for them!
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/02/ap-gay-verteran-sues-over-denial-of-spouse-benefits-020112/
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
11:31 am
thanks for posting the link, Kammie
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:32 am
Stevie: Much of the entitlements are valid but I’m a monkeys uncle if we can shake out 20% or so out of these programs without requiring granny to go without her meds…..
You and I can agree on that, but our reps have other ideas. And there is only one side I see saying that the ideas you and I just agreed on are ways we can deal with this. The other side flat out denies this.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:32 am
“We have a spending problem but lets stay in Afghanistan forever” con argument.
That is a losing argument cons.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
11:32 am
Fred
I believe it is David.
Have you had previous interactions with him?
JHM has stated he has, and David is like a snapping turtle that just wont let go.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
11:32 am
Paulo977
Is the blog kinda jumping around when you try to post?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
11:33 am
RB — “Joe, you don’t get it do you? They have declared war on us.”
Who’s “they?” All Muslims everywhere? Provably wrong.
“Leaving AFG doesn’t change that. Unless of course you can find some source where they say if we leave they’ll stop planning the next 9/11 attack??? Hurry back with that.”
I think you conflate Muslims who want to restore the Caliphate with ALL Muslims worldwide. Given that over a billion people worldwide are Muslims, I think that if this was an us-versus-the-Muslims thing, they’d be doing a lot better against us.
“Or just hope you aren’t at the site of the. Next one when it comes.”
I was working in Washington, DC on 9/11, and I’m not living my life in fear. Everyone’s got to die sometime.
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
11:34 am
Dear Getalife @ 11:32, I made a modest proposal @ 11:28, consistent with your thesis. Thoughts?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
11:35 am
Stevie Ray
Spending has grown, and that’s a fact. My point is that, if spending were kept the same per capita, overall spending would still increase because of the growth in population. If you consider the influence of inflation and population growth, we would have to prepetually cut spending just to keep it stagnant over a period of time. Looking from that angle, if you cut revenues, you would have to futher cut spending just to keep it level. At what point do you cut revenues/spending to the point that you permanently cripple this country? We didn’t become a superpower by not paying for the things we invested in and built.
http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/uspopulation.htm
US population in 1970: 203 million
US population in 2011: 311 million
down the road estimates:
•2010 – 307,745,538
•2020 – 336,031,546
•2030 – 363,811,435
•2040 – 392,172,658
•2043 – 400,527,776 (the year of 400 million)
•2050 – 420,080,587
If our population is growing like that, why would we even consider continuing down the path of cutting revenues? Doesn’t a growing population also mean that, whether we like it or not, spending will increase? What we’re arguing is amount to pissing into the wind of a Cat 5 hurricane and hoping to stay dry.
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
11:37 am
Went to the birther blog and all I have to say is that David Farrar needs to be called David
Far-out-There…
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
11:38 am
Adam,
It appears that your argument attempts to take current conditions back to the past or previous administration. Remember that argument ceased to resonate with the electorate about two years ago. Obama is up for re-election this year and he owns the economy as it exists today. He’s in his fourth year of his first term. Can he adopt a campaign slogan of “ask yourself are you better off today than you were four years ago”. I think that would be a tough sell to many people right now, don’t you?
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
11:39 am
Did any of y’all hear about this?
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2012/02/ap-sandia-engineers-create-self-guided-bullet-020212/
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:39 am
rag,
I accept your surrender because they know they will get droned.
You don’t have to announce it silly.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
11:41 am
Bro – “If our population is growing like that, why would we even consider continuing down the path of cutting revenues?”
Becuase all 400 million people should be taking care of themselves and not having to pay taxes to the wasteful government. Just imagine 400 million people paying what they feel is adequate to keep the country rolling. My God’ we’d have Lunar Bases and could start the colonialization of Mars if only the Government would step aside.
FYI none of the above should be taken as actual fact.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
11:41 am
Remember that argument ceased to resonate with the electorate about two years ago. Obama is up for re-election this year and he owns the economy as it exists today. He’s in his fourth year of his first term. Can he adopt a campaign slogan of “ask yourself are you better off today than you were four years ago
Amazing what fiction some posters can create in their own mind……… but like most reality TV, there is often little reality. In fact, many people would indeed say we are better off than we were at the end of the Bush Administration but that we are far from where we need to be and that the Republicans have made every effort to impede and hinder that recovery at every step of the way.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:44 am
Keep,
The turtle had the nerve to say congress gave our President everything he asked for.
Facts don’t matter this cycle.
Independents matter and they know that is a lie.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:44 am
Recon: It appears that your argument attempts to take current conditions back to the past or previous administration
You’re the one trying to make a causality claim here. And I pointed out the actual causes. YOU pointed out some stuff that has been done SINCE then, some that hasn’t. So defend your claims that those things caused the economic problems we are experiencing. Show me evidence.
I think that would be a tough sell to many people right now, don’t you?
Not for me, and not for many people I know. Of course most people I know wouldn’t be so stupid as to blame the president for their failures or credit him with their successes.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
11:44 am
Recon — “Can he adopt a campaign slogan of “ask yourself are you better off today than you were four years ago”. I think that would be a tough sell to many people right now, don’t you?”
Not really. Four years ago this fall, we saw a 42% drop in the DJIA, right about the time Obama was elected. Since then, we’ve had a significant run-up in the Dow, and many people’s 401Ks have recovered most or even all of their value. Clearly, Obama’s been getting things back on track.
You appear to be arguing that Obama should be replaced because he hasn’t been fast enough to fix all the (poop) that Bush managed to eff up in 2008.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
11:45 am
Weather update from Punxsutawney, PA: No global warming this year
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
11:46 am
Butch
That disclaimer is priceless!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!
Normal
I read about that the other day. I’ve been trying to see where I could volunteer as a product tester.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
11:47 am
In fact, many people would indeed say we are better off than we were at the end of the Bush Administration but that we are far from where we need to be…
I think the wrong question is being asked here.
It’s not about, “are we better off than four years ago”. It about are we better off than when we first adopted this trickle-on nonsense thirty years ago.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
11:47 am
Recon 2533 1811 – “Can he adopt a campaign slogan of “ask yourself are you better off today than you were four years ago”.
I guess it depends on if you ask somone who was aware that we were bleeding 750,000 jobs a month 4 years ago as opposed to the current staff reductions today. Or if they were aware that the stock market was running around 8,000 to 9,000 as opposed to 11,000 to 12,000 today.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
11:48 am
Getalife — there is a variety of spin from the right that is always somewhat at odds with the other spin. “we stopped X” vs “Obama got everything he wanted”, “they had complete control of the Senate” v “we used the filibuster to stop them”. If they were forced to be consistent they would see that most of their points hold as much water as the birther absurdity. They are not much better in their logic.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:49 am
th,
Did you deflect to global warming because you know willard is naive on this topic and wrong?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
11:50 am
Kam, I would agree that you have asked the better question and the response from the nonsensers will be that they need to do more and with time we will enter their promised land.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:50 am
Talking Head: Update from NASA: Global Warming is real and human caused
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:50 am
Keep,
I know.
They are all over the place on the issues but our President is positioned well to win all debates.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:51 am
Kamchak: The real question is do we want to roll back 100 years of progress or not.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
11:52 am
Normal
One interesting part of your link @ 11:39 caught my eye:
With most of the hard science done, Jones said the next step is for Sandia to partner with a private company to complete testing of the prototype and bring a guided bullet to the marketplace.
More than $1 million in research and development grants have taken the project this far.
Seems like government money was used in a trial experiment. Once it proves viable and is near ready, a private sector investor comes in and pays for the final tests and reaps the benefits of the technology. I doubt very seriously you will hear any “spending cut” cheerleaders call for cuts in things such as this. Lots of technological advances are funded by the government and some private sector investor pays for the last few tests to get credit for something they had little involvement in bringing into being.
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
11:52 am
“Republicans have made every effort to impede and hinder that recovery at every step of the way.”
Extremely tough sell when you consider that Obama and the Democrats controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress during Obama’s first two years in office. The priority in those first two years, focus rapidly crafting a health care bill riddled with issues and now under fire heading to a showdown in the SCOTUS. Obama and the Democrats focused that while unemployment grew and the economy shrunk. The Republicans were the impediment? Yeah sure.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
11:53 am
get,
no, just wanted to update everyone…hey did you know phil has been 80% right in predicting how long winter will last
on topic…taliban will take over afghanistan when we leave
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:53 am
Recon: Extremely tough sell when you consider that Obama and the Democrats controlled the White House…
Keep Up gets credit for calling it!
ragnar danneskjold
February 2nd, 2012
11:54 am
Dear getalife @ 11:39, not true. Obama plans negotiations with the Taliban, not drones; negotiations validate the legitimacy of the terrorists, and droning thereafter would be a war crime. I am urging a 180 degree turn by Obama, one which would be consistent with the professed wishes of the leftists but also consistent with US security.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
11:54 am
Fred- So you are saying that I, a fat old white skinned redneck voted for Obama because of the color of his skin?
Possibly? I am saying alot of people voted for him based on his skin color (as well as some who voted against him). As VP Biden said, he was an “African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Substance had nothing to do with it. The media focused on the novelty of him running rather than vetting him as a normal candidate.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:54 am
th,
What winter?
It has been unusually warm this year.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
11:56 am
rag,
He focused on aq and crushed them.
Hillary got the taliban to agree to peace talks so they will be in their government.
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
11:56 am
Kam: “It’s not about, “are we better off than four years ago”. It about are we better off than when we first adopted this trickle-on nonsense thirty years ago.”
Well said. But of course, our right wing friends want to suppress that frame and divert us with various trivia. That way their agenda can roll on, as it just did in Arizona. The next phase is the process is the complete wiping out of the remnants of a labor movement.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
11:56 am
HEADLINE: Obama Approval Above 50% in 10 States and D.C. in 2011
Guy Incognito
February 2nd, 2012
11:56 am
Kam
Sorry, I wasn’t around much yesterday, and I delete chain emails. Sorry again, but that was the link that I got by going to Gallup
Abortion is murder
February 2nd, 2012
11:58 am
You will not see a total draw down of American troops. The region is waaay to unstable for that. For the Afgans to succeed at any level they have to have economic and miliatary support. The second we leave the region will be run by terrorists again. Until we either legalize their cash crop or they find some other way to sustain themselves economically we will maintain a large presence in Asscrackistan.
We really have been in “combat” for quite some time. It just a dog and pony show on Obama’s part. Romney should have called him out on it.
mm
February 2nd, 2012
12:01 pm
“Everyone’s got to die sometime.”
The cons are scared of death. No sure why, since they are convinced of an afterlife. Maybe they’re not so confident in the beliefs they spout?
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
12:01 pm
LUNCH
Also Abortion is NOT murder.
Guy Incognito
February 2nd, 2012
12:01 pm
Kam
I guess Adam got that chain email too
Guy Incognito
February 2nd, 2012
12:02 pm
Gotta Run
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:03 pm
The media focused on the novelty of him running rather than vetting him as a normal candidate.
So, you mean to tell me that all the people I now know about since Obama ran had nothing to do with him being vetted as a normal candidate. Prior to 2008, I didn’t know who Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, Tony Rezko, or any other person tied to Obama was. Every time a new name popped up, in the media of all places, I had to google these people to know why they were so damned important in the grand scheme of things. Glad to know that was mere mudslinging by the opposition and not vetting. I appreciate someone for being honest about these kinds of things.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:04 pm
sometimes cut-n-paste doesn’t work as well as we’d like it to.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:04 pm
JKL2: I disagree. I think you were closer to the truth with your second “reason.” Anyone but Bush. and McSame was acting like Bush lol.
I don’t see sanity in any of the Republican candidates. I won’t vote for any of those twits.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:04 pm
Adam, did NASA embrace climate change because they no longer have
to worry about having their pollutant spewing rockets taken away?
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
12:04 pm
I guess Adam got that chain email too
Too? As in “also”?
I thought you said your link came from Gallup.
Recon 2533 1811
February 2nd, 2012
12:05 pm
I would love to spend more time with you and answer all of my fan mail but we all know that this is after all a far-left blog and folks like me are greatly outnumbered. Also, I have other things to do. I will, however, leave you with this- Obama’s brief surge if you can call it that is now surging back into negative territory as reported by the two largest and most creditable polling organization. As for being outnumbered…no I won’t finish my point. Y’all have a great day-out
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:06 pm
“VEGAS SURPRISE: TRUMP TO ENDORSE…
KLAS: IT’S NEWT…
AP, NYT, POLITICO: IT’S NEWT…
DRUDGE: WAIT, IT’S MITT!
BUT WILL HE CHANGE HIS MIND BY NOON?” drudgey
Trump is punking the cons.
Too funny.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:06 pm
Punxatawny Phil and General Beauregard need to duel it out!
Groundhog Day | Gen. Lee sees no shadow, predicts early spring
http://www.ajc.com/news/groundhog-day-gen-lee-1327738.html
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
12:07 pm
SoCo,
I agree. Governmental money for research is good and is better when spent on other things as well as defense.
But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
““We have a spending problem but lets stay in Afghanistan forever” con argument.”
“We have a spending problem…oh wait nevermind no we don’t” liberal argument
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:06 pm
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
The priority in those first two years, focus rapidly crafting a health care bill riddled with issues and now under fire heading to a showdown in the SCOTUS
Seems the first focus that the deluded omit was the recovery act and fixing healthcare was a secondary project that incorporated many Republican ideas and concepts. But again, the inconsistent claims seem to come faster than a Bachelor contestant sending home some without their roses…..
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm
Oh and I guess I can’t really enter the “are you better off than you were 4 years ago” debate. Our family income has increased by almost $40,000 in the last 4 years along with the fact that our retirement funds are WAY up from where they were 4 years ago. While our house lost some value, it is still worth more than we paid for it and we recently refinanced it at a significantly lower rate (and a smaller amount).
But I also realize that our circumstances are much different than a vast majority of Americans.
md
February 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm
“Doesn’t a growing population also mean that, whether we like it or not, spending will increase?”
And if that is true, the opposite must also be true…..revenues should also increase due to the same reason. Unless the new folks pay no form of taxes and fees…..which isn’t the case.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:10 pm
“But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!”
Corrupt congress is giddy because it makes it easier to kill Americans.
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
12:10 pm
um, Talking Head?
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s320×320/422056_2689187950500_1280511162_32211228_1509171081_n.jpg
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:11 pm
Normal – when I was a child I had the “early spring / late spring” bit explained like this:
If Phil sees his shadow, winter will last 6 more weeks
If he doesn’t, winter will only last another month and a half
md
February 2nd, 2012
12:11 pm
“along with the fact that our retirement funds are WAY up from where they were 4 years ago”
There is always a good chance stocks will go WAY up after they have gone WAY done…..
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:11 pm
Yo Kepp @ 12:08: Ypou are forgetting the fact that if they choose not to pretend it never happened, then the Fanatics will actually claim that it didn’t work (recovery act.)
Smoke and mirrors. Or the Jedi mind trick. They seem pretty susceptible to the Jedi mind trick those wasckly wepublicans do……..
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:13 pm
But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!
You’re talking about the ultimate in small arms lethality. The scary thing is that what’s being done on a .50 cal will probably readily scale down to smaller caliber rounds that carry just as much punch as the .50 does. Check the ballistics on the .408 CheyTac and the .416 Barrett when you have time. My one question would be whether the technology could be reverse engineered from someone who’s been “dismissed” from the field of battle.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:14 pm
pea,
Our President did cut spending.
80 billion on this topic.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
12:15 pm
md — “There is always a good chance stocks will go WAY up after they have gone WAY done….”
Everyone, look here. md seems to be trying to give President Bush some credit for the market gains over the last couple of years.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:15 pm
revenues should also increase due to the same reason. Unless the new folks pay no form of taxes and fees…..which isn’t the case.
True. However, if those new folks are only able to find employment that puts them in that 47% that pays no fed income taxes, that revenue is still diminished from what it would otherwise be if the tax sale was allowed to end as it should have 2 years ago.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
12:16 pm
If any of P. Phil or General Lee’s relatives get near my beans this spring, it’s lights out!
Romney Has Foot In Mouth Disease (And There Is No Cure For Him)
February 2nd, 2012
12:17 pm
Can you trust a Republican who is constantly spewing nonsensical and inconsequential rhetoric?
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:17 pm
Regarding that party name “republican” – makes me wonder why a group of people would choose a name that indicates they own a tavern, over and over. Unless, of course, they’re proud of the taxes the collect!
pub·li·can /ˈpʌblɪkən/ Show Spelled[puhb-li-kuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. Chiefly British . a person who owns or manages a tavern; the keeper of a pub.
2. Roman History . a person who collected public taxes.
3. any collector of taxes, tolls, tribute, or the like.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:18 pm
“Our President did cut spending.”
$15 Trillion and rising says otherwise.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:18 pm
In November we will have a President that none of us
voted for because we cannot vote for the President, only
for electors who will determine the President.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Brosephus- I didn’t know who Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, Tony Rezko, or any other person tied to Obama was
And the fact he has purposely surrounded himself with known terrorist, marxist/socialist, and crooks did nothing to sway your opinion of him speaks volumes. Then I have to assume your vote of casts based on either the (D) beside his name or skin color.
obama: a Chicago crook, owned by crooks.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Normal — “But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!”
That’s a sniper weapon with an absolutely *godawful* range, but IIRC, the Geneva Conventions prohibit the use of large calibers like that against unarmored human targets in the open. As I recall, you can use a 50-cal against a vehicle or structure that enemy troops were known to be *in,* but if they exited said vehicle or structure ran out into the open, you’re prohibited from sustaining fire on them with the ‘fitty.’
Perhaps another veteran can speak more knowledgeably and accurately to that point than I can.
philosopher
February 2nd, 2012
12:21 pm
mm
February 2nd, 2012
12:01 pm
“Everyone’s got to die sometime.”
The cons are scared of death. No sure why, since they are convinced of an afterlife. Maybe they’re not so confident in the beliefs they spout?
Watching the behavior and the utterances of most of them, they don’t seem to be very confident that ANY of Jesus’ teachings are to be followed.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:21 pm
“$15 Trillion and rising says otherwise.”
“cut” does not equal “eliminated”
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:22 pm
I would like to know how you tell the self guided bullet
what it is supposed to hit, as I have trouble telling google what
to find.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
12:22 pm
-“But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!”
Can’t wait until Holder starts selling it to the Mexican drug cartels…
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:23 pm
“In November we will have a President that none of us
voted for because we cannot vote for the President, only
for electors who will determine the President.”
Your teacher finally got around to that I take it.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:24 pm
And the fact he has purposely surrounded himself with known terrorist, marxist/socialist, and crooks did nothing to sway your opinion of him speaks volumes. Then I have to assume your vote of casts based on either the (D) beside his name or skin color.
I honestly your employment isn’t tied to your ability to assume, or else I’ll have to ask for additional taxes to be taken out of my check to pay for you when you lose your job. Up until McCain picked a virtual nobody as his VP choice, he had my vote. As to Obama, I’m just as impressed by him as I was by the previous POTUS, which is nothing to be very impressed about. Obama’s color had nothing to do with any decision to vote or not vote for him, and for you to assume such really speaks to the ignorance held between your ears. I feel ashamed for you just for insinuating such bullsh*t, and I pray for mercy to fall upon your soul in return. Hell, I’ve been voting for White men all my life, so why would I suddenly change that?
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:24 pm
pea thinks he is a dictator.
Wake up pea.
He works with a corrupt congress silly.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:26 pm
“cut” does not equal “eliminated”
Correct. But ‘rising’ SHOULD be changed to ‘falling’.
TaxPayer
February 2nd, 2012
12:26 pm
Thanks to our efforts, as promised in the 2010 elections, our policies have helped create thousands of jobs and we plan to bring these jobs to America soon so our constituency can work for $17/day. Help rid our great nation of those job choking regulations and taxes on the job creators so we can help you help yourselves. You’re welcome. — Cryin’ John Boehner (They’re tears of JOY, I tells ya!)
Whaeema
February 2nd, 2012
12:27 pm
Obama is planning to release five Taliban captured on the battlefield, deemeed dangerous to Quatar.I wonder what that means. Is it the same idea that has him sharing our missle defense secrets with the russians?
Has Obama never learned that weakness and compromising your interests don’t really work in internaltional relations?
Maybe if he could find someone else to apologize to…
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:28 pm
“Our President did cut spending.”
$15 Trillion and rising says otherwise.
And I give you Ezra Klein’s viewpoint on your opinion…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/column-doing-the-math-on-obamas-deficits/2011/08/25/gIQALDBchQ_blog.html
But if you’re a deficit-obsessed voter, the clock doesn’t answer the key question: How much has Obama added to the debt, anyway?
There are two answers: more than $4 trillion, or about $983 billion. The first answer is simple and wrong. The second answer is more complicated but a lot closer to being right.
When Obama took office, the national debt was about $10.5 trillion. Today, it’s about $15.2 trillion. Simple subtraction gets you the answer preferred by most of Obama’s opponents: $4.7 trillion.
But ask yourself: Which of Obama’s policies added $4.7 trillion to the debt? The stimulus? That was just a bit more than $800 billion. TARP? That passed under George W. Bush, and most of it has been repaid.
I’m hoping that you were not trying to push the weight of that $15T solely on Obama. Nobody can turn a supertanker or stop a freight train on a dime. To expect one man to do such is pure tom foolery.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:28 pm
“Correct. But ‘rising’ SHOULD be changed to ‘falling’.”
Maybe, but when Congress turns down a cut in spending in favor of a SMALLER cut in spending you can’t, in all honesty, blame that on the President.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:29 pm
pea,
“President Barack Obama will offer a new plan to reduce the federal deficit by about $3.6 trillion over a decade, almost half of which would come from tax increases, people familiar with the proposal said.”
It was rejected by the gop and so was his budget.
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
12:30 pm
SoCo,
Remember Dr. Gatling and Nobel tried to invent weapons so terrible that it would end all wars…
I’m beginning to believe that, yes, all bullets will end up with this technology…so …maybe…war WILL become so terrible if everybody has a bullet that can’t miss…
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
12:33 pm
If Romney has specific ideas on how that might be accomplished, I have not seen them.
And why, pray tell, should he be different than 99% of all Republicans?
This blog is Neo-con Exhibit Number One in specific-free sloganism.
Given the cowardly criminals in the previous administration, if Americans care about keeping their children alive they would never again vote Republican.
And that their hated bogeyman and supposedly, socialist, uber-liberal, Barack Obama “surged” into Afghanistan and punked them at their own idiotic “strong on defense” national security game is one of the great ironies of his first term…
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
12:33 pm
Saul Alinsky?
Who’s his buddy? Who’s his pal!
From Media Matters – (We’ll hear about that, but will we hear the message disputed? Nope.)
Tea Party leader and “the co-founder of Top Conservatives on Twitter” Michael Patrick Leahy has written an entire book based off of Alinsky’s “shocking” work, deftly entitled: Rules for Conservative Radicals: Lessons from Saul Alinsky[!] the Tea Party Movement and the Apostle Paul in the Age of Collaborative Technologies. In his book, “Leahy argues that today’s conservative radical should follow the tactics of Saul Alinsky, but apply the morals and ethics of Martin Luther King.”
And Leahy is not the only conservative poisoned by what right-wing blogger Pamela Geller calls “the mother’s milk of the left.”
Conservative “hero” and Fox News’ favorite investigative journalist James O’Keefe is also a fan. The Los Angeles Times reported that O’Keefe found an “unlikely source of inspiration” in Alinsky and O’Keefe “took to heart” Alinsky’s principle to: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
Also, on Fox News’ Glenn Beck, David Horowitz advocated for conservatives to follow “what Saul Alinsky argues”—i.e., “shout[ing] things whether they are true or not,” and “stag[ing] a die-in” — in order to “catch the other side off-guard” and win the health care debate.
Alinsky’s “evil” has even reached all the way out to the Heartland, with The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder reporting: “in Kansas City, Missouri, a group of conservative organizers will conduct a most unusual training session. They will teach the “Rules for Radicals’ laid down by the god of community organizing, Saul Alinsky. The idea: learn to recognize the footprints of the enemy.” Similarly, The Washington Independent’s David Weigel has reported that “Alinsky has found a thriving and surprising fan club in the modern conservative movement,” with “many ‘Tea Party’ activists say[ing] they’re cribbing from Alinsky.”
Yes, if Geller and the other bloggers on the right are to be believed, Obama is coming for your children through the vessel of Saul Alinsky. And in Geller’s own words: “Can you imagine if the Republicans attempted such a stunt?” The mind boggles.
my oh my
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:34 pm
Normal
That I remember, and we may be pushing towards that point. I thought that nuclear weapons would bring that about, but it seems that they’ve only squashed major conflicts. I don’t know if I like the idea of every bullet having that technology, but it is laser guided and highly unlikely to be used by most criminal elements here in the US because of that.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:36 pm
In November we will have 435 Congressmen and 33 Senators
that we all can vote for but no one is talking about them.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:36 pm
“you can’t, in all honesty, blame that on the President.” – I never even mentioned the President to begin with. getalife mentioned him at 12:14. getalife gave him credit for cutting $80 Billion…then said he’s not a dictator so now I’m confused.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:37 pm
Obama Criticized For Living In Lavish Mansion While Most Americans Struggle To Make Ends Meet. 132-Room Estate Includes Personal Chef, 24-Hour Security Detail”
Wait for this to hit the email circuit.
It certainly fits in with a style that says Obama is to be blamed for a rise in the national deficit because of many many programs that were passed before him. 
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
12:37 pm
As VP Biden said, he was an “African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Substance had nothing to do with it.
I do love these people who mind-read, who just KNOW that I voted for Obama because I thought he looked nice and sounded articulate for a colored fella.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:38 pm
“I’m hoping that you were not trying to push the weight of that $15T solely on Obama.” – Nope not at all, I put the $4 Trillion + on him. Instead of trying to cut, he extended tax cuts, kept us in Iraq, etc. etc.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
12:38 pm
Brosephus- Up until McCain picked a virtual nobody as his VP choice, he had my vote.
McCain wasn’t my first pick, but having dealt with obama I knew anything he did would be bad. Palin has her good and bad points like everyone else. Once again, I’ll say Biden got a free pass for the most part, since so much effort was focused on Palin. Obama was “hope and change” and picked one of the oldest fossiles in congress to be his partner. The VP is normally your guy to send to state functions around the world, but Biden is so embarrassing every time he opens his mouth, we can’t even do that.
Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?
RB from Gwinnett
February 2nd, 2012
12:38 pm
Anybody seen a copy of Obama’s capital gains tax increase bill yet? Surely he wasn’t whining for the benefit of his followers?????
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:39 pm
Normal
Re Gatling: That guy’s my hero. Because of him, we now have this puppy to play with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nug5FZgxuk
*wonder if the cameraman wore a diaper during the filming of that video.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:39 pm
no one is talking about them
Frog, have to disagree with you there. Gov. Walker would disagree. Scott Brown would disagree.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:40 pm
“This blog is Neo-con Exhibit Number One in specific-free sloganism.”
Wow, could you translate that into redneck for me please? As is, it sail;s WAY over my head……….
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:44 pm
Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?
Personally, I’d like to see all current candidates replaced with people who are capable of thinking and acting like grownups. Due to the nature of American politics, I know that I’ll never live long enough to see such a thing take place. Hence, the usual coin toss to choose the lesser of two evils or other methods for selecting who to vote for.
Pea
Check that link I posted for you. I wouldn’t even give Obama credit for the full $4T. Only time will show how much of an effect he has on the overall debt. You can’t charge him for stuff enacted by previous administrations, and his full effect won’t be felt for years after he’s out of office.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:45 pm
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:36 pm
In November we will have 435 Congressmen and 33 Senators
that we all can vote for but no one is talking about them.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is to talk about? I live in Georgia. In the foreseeable future the Senators from this state WILL be Republicans. Doesn’t matter how crooked or slimy, (See election ofthe Crook Nathan Deal as Governor), they may be.
More specifically, I live in a HUGE Democratic Congressional District. Hank Johnson WILL be re-elected if he runs. I don’t even know if there has been a Republican on the ballot in the last ten years.
Makes for a short discussion………
Fast and Furious Spending
February 2nd, 2012
12:46 pm
Jay,
I seem to remember candidate Obama 3 years ago answering the question: “what do you do about the Iranian threat?”
“Meet with Achmedinijad with no preconditions.”
Frankly, I like “beat them” much better; it’s understandably vague in February in a Presidential campaign, and unlike Obama’s statement it’s not abysmally stupid.
Has he met with M.A. yet?
Whoops! Another campaign promise broken.
Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood Partner.
February 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
Hey Granny please explain why your President Obama whom you blogg for has given America’s enemy the PLO, Hamas. Hezbullah, and the Muslim Brotherhood billions of taxpayers dollars. Granny these are some of the same people KILLING our soldiers and firing missles into Israel. Obama and Hillary Clinton are doing this thru his State Dpartment without Congressional approval. Obama has pledge another billion dollars of our money to rebuild Egypt. Why? Doesn’t American need to fix it’s own Country without having to fix everybody elses. Why? He has pledge bid money to Libya aswell.
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
JKL2: “Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?”
What a day it is when the conservatives are touting Hillary Clinton as a worthy replacement. Her role in the conservative imagination has done a 180 in just under a decade.
Wonders never cease.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
12:50 pm
brainless ragnar (takes one to know one)
While I respect you son’s service as a naval officer, it is a far cry from the meatgrinder of the front line. All I’m saying to those who want perepetual war; is the price of BLOOD and treasure worth it in afghanistan? A place that really has no more impact on us whatsoever…
Fast and Furious Spending
February 2nd, 2012
12:50 pm
Jay,
“…that became familiar during the Iraqi years…”
Nice use of the passive voice. Yeah, do that Jay, when it’s Obama who’s the guilty one for making things “familiar.”
We’ve got high unemployment that “became familiar” in America. How about that?
Great! Let’s rewrite history for our Obama!
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:51 pm
“I wouldn’t even give Obama credit for the full $4T. ”
and given that funding allocation is given to Congress by the Constitution, the President really bears little to no responsibility for either an increase OR a decrease.
Which is why the Presidential election has littel to no interest for me. I am, always and forever, FAR more insterested in the final make-up of Congress than I will ever be in who ultimately occupies the White House.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
12:53 pm
OiaMBP — “Granny these are some of the same people KILLING our soldiers”
Huh.
I had NO IDEA that “Hamas. Hezbullah, and the Muslim Brotherhood” were “KILLING our soldiers.”
Cite?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:53 pm
In November we will have 435 Congressmen and 33 Senators
that we all can vote for but no one is talking about them.
Thanks to gerrymandering and such, there’s probably only about 40-60 Reps who really have to worry about anything. Partisanship will take care of most of the Senators as well. Does anybody expect a diehard Blue state to elect a GOP Senator and vice versa?
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:54 pm
“President really bears little to no responsibility”
Then he also bears little to no responsibility for capturing Obama…even though getalife says “Obama got OBL” once a day on here.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
Doggone
No argument from me on that. I agree.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
pea,
I know you are confused but you are starting to live in the real world and checking facts so you will figure it out.
Jefferson
February 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
Reckon Mitt learned that in boot camp ? 300 was a good number.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
Ooooh, we have been treated to a special treat.
After being labeled as a waste of time, crass and frumious has deigned to grace us with it’s awesome presence.
Definitely a red-letter day in my diary.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
“Then he also bears little to no responsibility for capturing Obama”
Sorry, no comparison. He bears a LOT of the responsibility…since he approved it. Or do you really think that operation would have been accomplished WITHOUT his approval? Or inspite of his disapproval (if he had chosen that route?)?
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:58 pm
I’m out for a while
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
12:58 pm
“Granny these are some of the same people KILLING our soldiers”
Translation= MUSLIMS. He has a hatred for them.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
As well as for a raft of other reasons, I would not, in ten lifetimes, vote for the fraud from Massachusetts. But this is reason Number One:
“He announced that so the Taliban hears it, the Pakistanis hear it, the Afghan leaders hear it,” Romney said. “Why in the world do you go to the people that you’re fighting with and tell them the day you’re pulling out your troops? It makes absolutely no sense. [Obama’s] naivete is putting in jeopardy the mission of the United States of America and our commitments to freedom. He is wrong. We need new leadership in Washington.”
These simpletons cannot even spell statesmanship and they denigrate leaders who are not rabidly and incessantly pro-war.
But that silver-spoon fed coward is NOT the change we need. All that this newest of the anointed Bush asskissers wants to be is the next great “Crusader”.
Even so, you fools are gonna vote for him anyway. Just like you did for the (W)orst ever. “Hey, ain’t my kids getting killed or maimed, (we come from a LONG line of service avoiders) so why should I care if the toy soldiers and chickenhawks in Washington are already drooling at their collective mouths to invade Iran?”
Mission Accomplished.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
“Sorry, no comparison.”
Figured that’s what you would say.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
Obama captured Obama? You may want to check that Pea.
However, I certainly think that if you are going to demand that Obama be responsible for any rise in the deficit from the day he takes office, you certainly seem very inconsistent in suggesting that he has no responsiblity for the killing of OBL. He certainly had more input and leadership involved in deciding to approve a military plan than the deficit.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Joe Husseinn Obama, Have you served? I have and these muslim simeballs are KILLING my brothers and sisters in uniform. So if you don’t know what you’re talking about than just be quiet and keep drinking your obamajuice boy.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Joe Cool, I didn’t know you worked for Obama’s Acorn Criminal Organization. Also I would happly lock and load again to fight these muslim simeballs.
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Great, now strap up and catch the next thing to Afghanistan. Send us a postcard.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Granny, What silent. You happly open you big mouth at other bloggers but you CAN’T answer the questions I gave you. Come on you use to work for the DNC. And we all know how loud and stupid they are.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:07 pm
Joe Hussien Obama, Lets go BOY.
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
1:07 pm
tick, tick, tick…..
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:08 pm
“Obama captured Obama? You may want to check that Pea.”
Thanks, grammar nerd.
“However, I certainly think that if you are going to demand that Obama be responsible for any rise in the deficit from the day he takes office, you certainly seem very inconsisten”
I’m being just as (in)consistent as Doggone and others.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
1:08 pm
And we all know how…
This crap again?
Who exactly was it that granted you the authority to speak for “all”?
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
The Islamist are our Enemy. They call for the destruction of America all the time people. Islam means submission in their own language.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
I have and these muslim simeballs are KILLING my brothers and sisters in uniform
Don’t know what they are not teaching this small contingency of the military that somehow thinks that everyone in uniform is their brother and sister until they become civilians and then they can show pure contempt and disdain for civilians and call them names as if they are something lesser (sort of like F Troop testosterone calling others candy arses on a nameless blog being the big shots that they are) but frankly if you want the support of the civilians who make sacrifices also so that your families are provided for and so that you are cared for because of your sacrifice and service, perhaps you need to work on comprehension of mutual respect and some humility in comprehending that in the long run, you are a civilian with no special rights to certain opinions, vote or superior rights. You bring shame on yourself and the other fine military families who disagree with you and understand that as a country we all make sacrifies.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
Rodney says, “can’t we all just get along?”
Give the scum a gun and make the bugger fight
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
..just be sure to have deserters shot on sight / If he dies we’ll send a medal to his wife hahahahahaha!
And a vote for Romney is a vote for American virtue! Hahahaha.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
O = MBP — “Joe Husseinn Obama, Have you served?”
Yeah, I’m a disabled Army veteran. So you can take a flying leap, tough guy.
“I have and these muslim simeballs are KILLING my brothers and sisters in uniform. So if you don’t know what you’re talking about than just be quiet and keep drinking your obamajuice boy.”
I know what I’m talking about, so I’d appreciate a direct answer to my query, Cowboy, not some bluff and bluster bulldada so you can do the cowardly dodge out of answering a polite question.
You said “Hamas. Hezbullah, and the Muslim Brotherhood” were “KILLING our soldiers.” I’d like to see some hard evidence that those groups are involved in that, not the say-so of some no-name blowhard on an internet message board.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
“We can stay up late, swapping manly stories, and in the morning, I’m making waffles!”
–Thomas Jefferson
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
Kamchak, Welcome back.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner = TROLL
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Otherwise, his rhetoric comes across as macho blather…
Yeah, and that sure strikes me as very unusual for neo-cons. /sarc/
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
O = MBP — “Joe Hussien Obama, Lets go BOY.”
We’re on, SONNY.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 2nd, 2012
1:13 pm
Well, howdy adoring fans, fellow bloggers, and my enemas.
Mitt was probly in a bad mood after he tried to wake up his wife and she told him to leave her alone and she was going to have a headache for the next couple years. It’s just natural he’d take it out on this Panetta and Obama.
Let me know if you’ve got any other questions. I like sharing my vast store of Knowledge.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:13 pm
Thanks, grammar nerd.
Oy vey…. Can they never admit that perhaps they made a mistake. Obama got Osama NOT Obama. That’s just wrong, not using your brain nerd.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
1:15 pm
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
Hear, hear, Peadawg.
How many times will a new and unimproved Harry Callahan/George W/whodat/WoW/Draino/NiF clown show up under yet another name, puke up the same stupidity as last time and think people will actually believe he is somebody new?
Good times in Delusionland…
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
1:16 pm
Kamchak, Welcome back.
I haven’t been away.
I do however suspect that it’s you that have been gone from here.
Perhaps numerous times?
Banned under a plethora of nom-de-blogs?
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
Bye bye, drive-by, see you next time.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
“Obama got Osama NOT Obama.”
Yes, grammar nerd. And you’re absolutely f’ing perfect, correct? No? Then STFU.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
JKL2: “Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?”
What a day it is when the conservatives are touting Hillary Clinton as a worthy replacement. Her role in the conservative imagination has done a 180 in just under a decade.
Wonders never cease.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I know I have done a 180 on her. (and it’s more than a decade since she served her first term as President lol). I really dispised that woman and thought she was dangerous. but I also think that in her first term as President she learned that you have to compromise and negotiate with people, you can’t just ram everything down their throats (like Pelosi did with Obama care). If it had been Hitlery running against McSame instead of Obama I would have voted for her. Hell, I would vote for her over Obama right now……..
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
1:18 pm
clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here i am
stuck in the middle…
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:18 pm
Keep, You commpletely got my blogg wrong. I was addressing another blogger who doesn’t know what they saying. As for caring for my family while I was over there you didn’t do $hit for my family are me. I have and always will take care of my family and don’t need some Obama a$$ kisser to care for us. You can take this despicable poor excuse of a president and put him where the sun doesn’t shine.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
1:19 pm
“I move around a lot, not because I’m looking for anything really, but ’cause I’m getting away from things that get bad if I stay.”
-Thomas Jefferson
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
1:21 pm
LOL at the TROLL….call 911 and tell them how you REALLY feel Troll.
Bruno
February 2nd, 2012
1:22 pm
For PB–Looking forward to tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfmGt–xqM
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:26 pm
Your post of stupidity does not necessitate further response on my part.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
1:26 pm
Anyone want to lay odds as to how long our friend Obama=Muslim Brotherhood Partner will be with us?
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:27 pm
Kamcuck, Yeah Jay won’t ban racially challenged obama idiots from his left-wing porpaganda like you my friend.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:28 pm
Butch that goes for you to buddy.
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
1:28 pm
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
1:26 pm
I say til page 11 tops!
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
1:28 pm
O=MBO – “porpaganda”
Is that like politcally motivated disinformation about porn?
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:28 pm
“Your post of stupidity does not necessitate further response on my part.”
Not sure who this is to but in saying “Your post of stupidity does not necessitate further response on my part”, you actually responded?
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
1:29 pm
bruno
Hey – got your groove back on?
GI Joe
February 2nd, 2012
1:30 pm
Yo jm – you are ostensibly devoid of all actual knowledge on this. During some of my three tours I had to personally dispatch a few of the “Gentle Kurds” of which you speak. They were just another brutal tribe that slaughtered anyone that got in their way. Sadaam knew this better than anyone and dealt with them accordingly. Your mythology is tender but not well directed.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:30 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:26 pm
Your post of stupidity does not necessitate further response on my part.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
LOL it wasn’t even “good” stupid………..
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:30 pm
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
1:26 pm
Anyone want to lay odds as to how long our friend Obama=Muslim Brotherhood Partner will be with us?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Doomy? he’s been here with us a while.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:31 pm
Butch, Sorry mis-spelled it. But the statement stands.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
1:32 pm
Fred – “Doomy? he’s been here with us a while.”
Not unless he’s gone seriously off his meds.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
1:33 pm
O=MBP – “Butch, Sorry mis-spelled it. But the statement stands.”
No problem, I do it all the time.
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
1:33 pm
Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood Partner.
February 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
Provide that list of dollars and recipients and your sources and I’d be happy to review your data and offer an opinion.
K thx bye
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:34 pm
Fred, interesting to see at least one of those posters of stupidity self-identified themselves.
But you are absolutely correct. On the stoopid scale, their posts were merely in the childish range. Perhaps Bill Orvis White can work with them on how to gussy up the stupid in a facade that at least seems intelligent 
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:35 pm
Granny still silent?????????? Come on you know you’re a loud mouth. Can’t believe you of all people have nothing to say in behave of your president Obama on giving away billions of taxpayers dollars to the muslim enemy.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:36 pm
LOL Butch, you apparently haven’t had the full measure of Thulsa Doom. I guess you missed the episode one late night about him and his speedo and all the hot babes he gets. And that was one of his milder ones………
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
1:36 pm
RB: Anybody seen a copy of Obama’s capital gains tax increase bill yet?
People like you like to say the President doesn’t write legislation. So which is it? Should Congress expect the President to do all their work for him, or is it just a ploy to get a bill out of him that they will reject outright without even looking at it?
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
1:37 pm
you guys remember the planned parenthood discussion from yesterday?
Komen Website Hacked, Planned Parenthood Rakes in Donations, and News Surfaces That Komen Official Resigned Over Decision
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/769949/komen_website_hacked,_planned_parenthood_rakes_in_donations,_and_news_surfaces_that_komen_official_resigned_over_decision/
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
1:38 pm
Peadawg: Then he also bears little to no responsibility for capturing Obama…even though getalife says “Obama got OBL” once a day on here.
And Bush has no responsibility for getting Saddam, or starting the war in Iraq (since Congress had to approve it), etc etc
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:38 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight! – you want a stupid post? Go look at your post correcting my typo.
#1 stupid comment on a blog = “I don’t care” or “Who cares?” (obviously you do since you commenting)
#2 stupid comment on a blog = correcting someone else’s grammar
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
1:39 pm
Kamcuck, Yeah Jay won’t ban racially challenged obama idiots from his left-wing porpaganda like you my friend.
Of course he has Mr. Silly-pants.
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
1:40 pm
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
I bet you’ve got a really small penis don’t you?
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:40 pm
Dang Midori, I got on late yesterday and completely missed the blog here on it. LOL I’m a day late and a dollar short playing on Galloways blog about that right now. http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2012/02/02/your-morning-jolt-did-karen-handel-play-a-role-in-komenplanned-parenthood-split/?cp=4#comment-198962
Mind if I steal your link and post it over there?
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:35 pm
AGain give us the data and we will review.
I beleive the correct phrase is:
Put up or Shut Up.
Please and Thank you.
Oh and the loud mouth is completely uncalled for.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
1:38 pm
That was my point. Whether justified or not, the President gets blame and credit even if it’s not deserved. It comes w/ the territory of being President.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
Butch: Let’s start a pool. Put me down for 4 pm tonight as the last posting we will see under that name.
Tommy Maddox
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
“And we don’t seem to be much closer to “beating them” than we were when we began.”
According to my bro-in-law, a front line 1st Sgt who did three tours at the Pakistan Border, their rules of engagement are so restricted that they are not allowed to go balls out beat the Taliban [let alone go all out when trying to repel an attack by the Taliban].
Something is way wrong somewhere up the chain. If they’d pull the media, turn off the light, and turn them loose, I bet we’d all be surprised.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
Midori, good to see some have integrity. Sort of like a few resignations in the Nixon administration.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
1:39 pm
Of course he has Mr. Silly-pants.
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I dunno why, but that comment made me laugh like hell. “Mr. Sillypants.” LOLOL
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
O = MBP — ” I was addressing another blogger who doesn’t know what they saying.”
Oh, look, he’s talking to himself again. (laughing)
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
1:41 pm
Peadawg: Ok, if that was your point I agree. I think we could all benefit from recognizing what the President can and cannot do.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:42 pm
Granny, Kam
Why are y’all feeding the troll?
Let Jay deal with him.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
1:44 pm
Fred — “Thulsa Doom. I guess you missed the episode one late night about him and his speedo and all the hot babes he gets.”
How’s he got time for chicks, with all his evenings full of postings here? (laughing)
Robert Lee
February 2nd, 2012
1:44 pm
Sorry Pea, I couldn’t help myself.
philosopher
February 2nd, 2012
1:46 pm
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:34 pm
Good one-and that’s quite easy: Add Honorable before every Republican’s name, taking care to mention that they are God-fearing. Add Hussein before every mention of Obama, (be sure to call him a community organizer) and call everyone to the left of the far right a secularist…politely, of course.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
1:46 pm
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Brosephus- I didn’t know who Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, Tony Rezko, or any other person tied to Obama was
And the fact he has purposely surrounded himself with known terrorist, marxist/socialist, and crooks did nothing to sway your opinion of him speaks volumes. Then I have to assume your vote of casts based on either the (D) beside his name or skin color.
obama: a Chicago crook, owned by crooks.
If you come back through JKL, one other thing has been bothering me about this post. If you, and other like-minded Americans, label Obama based on a few people who have been “linked” in some form or fashion to him, what do you think about people like me?
For example, I have a direct link to:
*murderers: I have a classmate sitting on death row at home for murder. We spent quite a bit of time around each other as we played on the same youth baseball team, and we were classmates for almost the entire time from 1st through 12th grade.
*drug dealers: I have 2 cousins and an uncle that spent time in prison for drug distribution. One cousin was big time enough that the DEA came for him, complete with helicopter coverage, by shutting down our entire neighborhood which is probably a bit larger than 2 sq miles.
*thieves: The classmate on death row spent time in prison prior to the murders for attempting to steal guns from a gun shop.
Does that make me a criminal just because of people that can be linked to my past with whom I’ve had a great deal of interaction with?
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
1:47 pm
Fred
Props go to Ganny Godzilla for the Mr. Silly-pants epithet.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:47 pm
Joe Mama….. 1 word. Inflatables.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:48 pm
Granny, Here’s some data.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/24/washington/24gaza.html
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obama-gives-hamas-400-million-in-aid
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
1:50 pm
Pea
Just now seeing that you are right……
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/08/17/funny-pictures-ai-haz-a-remoken-troll/
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
1:51 pm
brosephus
Durn if you ain’t the man, don’t you just loves guilt by association? I mean even jesus was cavorting with the known dregs of society in his day…yet our own respectful, righteous lives are ignored…what an ignoramous…
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:52 pm
Adam, How come you haven’t been kicked off jay’s blogg for all the ugly things you have said. Left-wing Bias. Jay
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
1:52 pm
Brosephus: Guilt by association is a fool’s argument. Pay no attention to the fool.
Bruno
February 2nd, 2012
1:52 pm
Mick–Things are looking up.
Catch you all later.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
1:53 pm
What’s that faint buzzing sound?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
1:53 pm
Pea @ 1:28
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
1:54 pm
O = MBP — Your first link makes it clear that Obama was continuing a *Bush Administration* practice of sending aid the the Gazan Palestinians, not through Hamas, but through nongovernmental organizations.
Your second link echoes that, then seems to engage in supposition, suggesting that the money will somehow be surreptitiously diverted to Hamas, though no evidence for that is presented.
So in your two links, I see evidence that disagrees with you and unsupported speculation that says the same thing you’re saying.
Got any *solid* evidence?
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
1:54 pm
no problem at all Fred
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:55 pm
“What’s that faint buzzing sound?”
The sound Uga swatting another yellow jacket between the hedges?
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
1:57 pm
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:48 pm
All that mewling about aid for clean water and schools?
Golly you are really Captain Paranoid.
(Oh and yes, Mr. Silly Pants)
From Media Matters – Don’t bothet attacking the messenger – try debunking the facts.
The United States Agency for International Development has provided $2.9 billion in aid to the people living in the West Bank and Gaza since 1994 — making the U.S. “the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians.” A February 2009 New York Times article detailed how the Obama administration was “following the lead of the Bush administration” in crafting a policy of providing aid to the Palestinians:
By seeking to aid Gazans but not Hamas, the administration is following the lead of the Bush administration, which sent money to Gaza through nongovernmental organizations. In December, it said it would give $85 million to the United Nations agency that provides aid to Palestinian refugees in the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.
And the purpose of U.S. aid to Gaza? As the Times reported, “White House officials said the money would be spent on housing, schools, efforts to provide access to drinking water and other health and infrastructure projects.”
It is a particularly repugnant charge to claim that aid intended to provide drinking water and to build hospitals and schools — aid that is in line with long-standing U.S. foreign aid policy — somehow represents a betrayal of Israel. Then again, Andrew Breitbart is increasingly cornering the market on Big Repugnance.
The United States Agency for International Development has provided $2.9 billion in aid to the people living in the West Bank and Gaza since 1994 — making the U.S. “the leading provider of bilateral economic and development assistance to the Palestinians.” A February 2009 New York Times article detailed how the Obama administration was “following the lead of the Bush administration” in crafting a policy of providing aid to the Palestinians:
By seeking to aid Gazans but not Hamas, the administration is following the lead of the Bush administration, which sent money to Gaza through nongovernmental organizations. In December, it said it would give $85 million to the United Nations agency that provides aid to Palestinian refugees in the West Bank, Gaza, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria.
And the purpose of U.S. aid to Gaza? As the Times reported, “White House officials said the money would be spent on housing, schools, efforts to provide access to drinking water and other health and infrastructure projects.”
It is a particularly repugnant charge to claim that aid intended to provide drinking water and to build hospitals and schools — aid that is in line with long-standing U.S. foreign aid policy — somehow represents a betrayal of Israel. Then again, Andrew Breitbart is increasingly cornering the market on Big Repugnance.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:59 pm
Someone riddle me this: i hate cats. I mean I really despise those things. I would rather befriend a baptist frenchman than even look at a cat. The only thing I maybe dislike more than a cat is “icanhazcheezburger.com” and all their damn cat photo jokes…………..
So how come I click on EVERY ONE of them EVERY TIME they are posted? I can’t stop myself. i was on a computer site one time and they had a thread that was 4 or 5 years old with nothing BUT icanhscheezburger pictures and jokes and such I read/looked at every one. I even posted one……
Why? Is there help for me? A 12 step or something?
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
2:00 pm
That’s good, Fred, re: Hillary Clinton and the 180 in the conservative imagination.
Once the figure of Nancy Pelosi emerged to take her place, there was no longer a need for Hillary to play that role and the way was opened for her rehabilitation.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:02 pm
Brocephus@ 1:48: I don’t really appreciate you outing my like that Cuz. You better HOPE I stay inside til I die…………
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
2:02 pm
On GM:
Rep. John Boehner (R-OH): “Does anyone really believe that politicians and bureaucrats in Washington can successfully steer a multi-national corporation to economic viability?” [6/1/09]
Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL): “It’s basically going to be a government-owned, government-run company…. It’s the road toward socialism.” [5/29/09]
RNC Chairman Michael Steele: “No matter how much the President spins GM’s bankruptcy as good for the economy, it is nothing more than another government grab of a private company and another handout to the union cronies who helped bankroll his presidential campaign.” [6/1/2009]
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC): “Now the government has forced taxpayers to buy these failing companies without any plausible plan for profitability. Does anyone think the same government that plans to double the national debt in five years will turn GM around in the same time?” [6/2/09]
Rep. Tom Price (R-GA): “Unfortunately, this is just another sad chapter in President Obama’s eager campaign to interject his administration in the private sector’s business dealings.” [6/2/09]
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX): The auto company rescues “have been the leading edge of the Obama administration’s war on capitalism.” [7/22/09]
Rep. Trent Franks (R-AZ): When government gets involved in a company, “the disaster that follows is predictable.” [7/22/09]
On this, they were wrong — about literally every aspect of the debate — and Obama was right.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:03 pm
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:55 pm
“What’s that faint buzzing sound?”
The sound Uga swatting another yellow jacket between the hedges?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah baby. Post of the day.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:04 pm
Mick
True.
Adam
I will do no such thing. To ignore things only allows them to propagate and take root. If nobody shines a light upon the jackassery permeating our society, we will become a society of jackassery.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
2:04 pm
Fred — “So how come I click on EVERY ONE of them EVERY TIME they are posted? I can’t stop myself.”
Because they are funny and cute, even if you don’t like cats. The ones with dogs are funny and cute, too.
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
2:05 pm
GG@1:57
Hey, maybe O=MBP was just as mad about Bush?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:07 pm
Fred: Brocephus@ 1:48: I don’t really appreciate you outing my like that Cuz. You better HOPE I stay inside til I die…………
Then you don’t wanna sign for that package I sent you last week. If you do, yo azz ain’t never gettin’ out!!
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
2:08 pm
Brosephus: Fair enough. I am convinced JKL is not listening though.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:09 pm
Fred
Here’s two more cats for you. They’ll probably reappear whenever somebody posts some really dumb sh*t.
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2009/12/14/129052658599267846.jpg
http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/2/24/129115417799576145.jpg
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
2:10 pm
what’s with all the cat haters here?
My brother says I’m going to wind up just like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2-15mYWpmA&feature=related
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:12 pm
Brocephus: I ain’t never getting out anyway, if you sent me some of that black ganga from the motherland I’m signing.
(LOL Identify that movie quote).
Joe Hussein Momma: They are neither funny NOR cute. None has ever raised even a grin or a chortle much less a smile or a laugh……….. and I still click……….
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
2:13 pm
Butch
Mad like the hatter perhaps.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:15 pm
Damn you Brocephus. I really hate you now. I meant what I said about the icanhascheezburgers thing. Until now. That mountain lion one was wicked cool.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:16 pm
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
2:10 pm
what’s with all the cat haters here?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I know I’m fat but just damn. I’m STILL only one person not a whole group or anything……………..
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
2:17 pm
LOL!!!
You guys need to see Komen’s Facebook page.
http://www.facebook.com/susangkomenforthecure?sk=wall&filter=12
md
February 2nd, 2012
2:17 pm
“Everyone, look here. md seems to be trying to give President Bush some credit for the market gains over the last couple of years.”
Appearances can be deceiving…….best I can tell, stocks are up due to an overcorrection…..caused strictly by fear and lack of confidence. All the companies didn’t sour overnight at the same time…..the only way their balance sheets would all go negative at the same time would be if the market collapsed……and it didn’t. So the rebound is basically common sense took back over…
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:17 pm
Fred
Don’t recognize that quote right away. Gonna have to do some research.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:19 pm
Fred @ 2:15
Wicked little SOB, aren’t I???
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
2:19 pm
I know I’m fat but just damn. I’m STILL only one person not a whole group or anything……………..
No Fred – you obviously missed the conversation last night
Butch Cassidy
February 2nd, 2012
2:20 pm
I’m just curious, if Mitt Romney is “unemployed” as he has claimed. Does that mean he made bad “choices” in his life?
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
2:21 pm
Trump to embrace Romney, not Gingrich (Jennifer Rubin)
Donald Trump will be endorsing Mitt Romney later today, not Newt Gingrich as the entire political world believed up until a few hours ago. This raises a single question: What in the world is the Romney camp thinking?
Well, I spoke with two Romney supporters outside the campaign who tried to offer some explanation. Well, they say, the GOP didn’t want Trump to run as a third party candidate. (But was there any real risk of this? And who knows if Trump won’t change his mind?) Well, it’s clear that Newt Gingrich very much wanted the Trump nod. (But why not allow Gingrich to hug the political grenade?)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/the-trump-trap/2012/02/02/gIQA2fGdkQ_blog.html?hpid=z3
Jerome Horwitz
February 2nd, 2012
2:23 pm
Fred – Can appreciate how you feel re cats. Was always indifferent to them – just can’t be bothered. Now one of the strays our daughter brought home decided that I’m her human. Follows me through the house and when I read in the rack she’ll cozy up next to me a purrrrrrrrrrr. What did I do to desrve this?
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
2:26 pm
Jerome — you’re just a big ole softie
md
February 2nd, 2012
2:26 pm
“I’m just curious, if Mitt Romney is “unemployed” as he has claimed. Does that mean he made bad “choices” in his life?”
No….it means he’s unemployed because he made better choices………..
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
2:28 pm
“LOL!!!
You guys need to see Komen’s Facebook page.”
Planned Parenthood has an estimated $1 billion in assets. I doubt they will be hurting from the lack of a few million granted by Komen. Also Obamacare provides mammograms at no cost, in fact if you’re enrolled in job-related health plans or individual health insurance policies created after March 23, 2010 this provision will affect you as soon as your plan begins its first new “plan year” or “policy year” on or after September 23, 2010.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/rights/preventive-care/index.html
Remeber kids, knowledge is power!
moonbat betty
February 2nd, 2012
2:28 pm
If you hate cats, you have never really known one.
~moonbat betty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTTwcCVajAc
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:29 pm
Midori: Yeah I did lol
Brocephus: I was looking for a video but I couldn’t find it. It was from Stir Crazy. The beginning when the cook thinks Richard Pryor’s stash is the oregano lol.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
2:29 pm
Technically, he would be unemployed by choice, not necessity…
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
2:29 pm
Planned Parenthood has an estimated $1 billion in assets. I doubt they will be hurting from the lack of a few million granted by Komen.
And that makes it alright, does it?
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:30 pm
Soo Moonbat, did you hook up with her lol?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:32 pm
Fred
I haven’t seen that movie in years. Now you’re gonna make me have to search out a copy.
Planned Parenthood has an estimated $1 billion in assets. I doubt they will be hurting from the lack of a few million granted by Komen.
I don’t think SGK was even contributing a million. The uproar caused has increased donations to PP to the point that they’ve already accumulated the money that would have otherwise came from SGK. Seems like Americans are more interested in saving the ta ta’s, a.k.a. boobies, than SGK appears at this point. When somebody’s health and/or life is on the line, playing politics should NOT be an option.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:32 pm
Jerome: Cat’s have this uncanny sense of who really can’t stand them. They just KNOW. And then they follow you around, rub up against you, annoy the hell out of you, ect………….
That damn cat you have KNOWS you can’t do anything to it or your daughter would be devestated. It doesn’t really like you, it’s just taunting you, tormenting you. That’s how cat’s are. They are worse even than yankees…….. baptist yankees………….. baptist yakees of french decent………
Quagmire
February 2nd, 2012
2:32 pm
It’s not that I don’t care about poor people, I just don’t like them or want them around me…………..Mitt Romney – Vote for Me
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
2:35 pm
As a taxpayer, I’m really sick and tired of picking up the slack for welfare recipients like Mitt Romney, and I think we need to put a stop to it.
n8dogg@hotmail.com
February 2nd, 2012
2:35 pm
Most people realized Afghanistan was a fool’s errand before Bush 43 sent troops in, even though it is where many said the fight should’ve been taken.
Quagmire
February 2nd, 2012
2:37 pm
Adam – 2:02post
Adam, that had to be the Post of the Day. Great stuff
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
2:38 pm
Running out of gas here, it looks like.
Guess that’s what happens when Birchers and trolls ride shotgun.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
2:41 pm
Wassup with you feline haters?
I’ve had two, both were awesome.
For starters they are self-cleaning mammals. How cool is that?
Secondly, I don’t have to rush home and let them outside so they don’t ____ all over my rugs, etc. Nuff said.
And contrary to folklore, cats are highly trainable and will bond with humans. I taught my first one to fetch. And he loved it. He was a big grey – looked like a Maine Coon cat – and this animal rocked, Some POS Georgian shot him; for kicks I presume. I buried him in my back yard and cried for days.
My tabby is a rescued feral and is also an extremely cool animal. She’s like me, very mellow. But if any other cat gets anywhere near our property, homie don’t play that.
If you treat an animal with love, it will give it back many times over…
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:42 pm
Rep. John Boehner (R-OH): “Does anyone really believe that politicians and bureaucrats in Washington can successfully steer a multi-national corporation to economic viability?”
If that is not a wake up call to what our politicians true intents are, I don’t know what it will take to show Americans how truly f**ked up our system really is. If a politician does not have the confidence in himself to save an American company AND American jobs, what the f**k is he doing in DC in the first place?
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
2:42 pm
Adam and Brosephus,
Again, the uproar from the left is ridiculous. Obamacare already provides mammograms at no cost (as well as other screenings), and the main argument coming from the left is that there will be all these women who won’t have access to screenings. Further, you justify the ridiculous outcry from the left in that Komen really doesn’t even contribute a significant amount to PP, so they’re partnership was unkown really until they decided to no longer be affiliated with PP because they are under federal investigation.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
2:44 pm
Talking Head: Obamacare already provides mammograms at no cost (as well as other screenings), and the main argument coming from the left is that there will be all these women who won’t have access to screenings
Thing is, you’re speaking of that as though the poor people who rely on this are ALREADY covered through the health care law. We still have 2 more years before that is “mandatory,” assuming that even holds up in the SCOTUS.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
2:45 pm
Also Talking Head there is evidence that the Komen foundation CREATED that rule JUST to get out from supporting Planned Parenthood, ever since a push that coincidentally started right after they hired their new VP.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:47 pm
Wow, we sure got way the hell away from the main topic here today didn’t we? I mean LIGHTYEARS…………. Buzz Lightyears………
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
2:48 pm
Romney’s tough talk on afghanistan means that his mouth
is writing checks that his ass can’t cash.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:49 pm
Talking Head
I honestly don’t care about SGK’s decision. They are a private charity, therefore they can decide what to do with their money. That said, if they determine to follow a course of action, they should be prepared to deal with the reprecussions of their decision. At this point, it seems that their decision hurts them more than it hurts Planned Parenthood.
Furthermore, the ACA doesn’t help someone who DOES NOT have insurance in the first place. Places like PP provide those services to people who can’t otherwise access medical care. You even bolster the left’s argument over the benefits the ACA provides by showing that more people are covered for things such as this now than was covered prior to it’s enactment.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
2:49 pm
The gop “leadership” are desperate.
They know they are going to lose.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
2:50 pm
frog
Damn near all politicians do the same thing. When was the last time we had a POTUS with actual military combat experience?
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
2:53 pm
Further, you justify the ridiculous outcry from the left in that Komen really doesn’t even contribute a significant amount to PP, so they’re partnership was unkown (sic)…
Fallacious.
The Susan G. Komen organization granted money to Planned Parenthood Federation of America and affiliates. The money paid for 170,000 clinical breast exams and 6,400 mammogram referrals over the past five years at Planned Parenthood. Komen had said its affiliates provide funds for screening, education and treatment programs in dozens of communities in which Planned Parenthood is the only place that poor, uninsured or under-insured women can receive these services.
Research and facts are not your enemy.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
2:55 pm
Brocephus@2:50: When was the last time we had a POTUS with actual military combat experience?
George HERBERT Walker Bush
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
2:55 pm
Research and facts are not your enemy.
Yes, they are the enemy of a conservative. Especially ones that pretend what math and science can show are false.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
2:56 pm
Brosephus, George H.W. Bush and he went into Kuwait, kicked
Sadaam out, and came home.
Quagmire
February 2nd, 2012
2:56 pm
Romney, with Donald “DA HairPiece” Trump endorsing you. Nothing stands between you and a good combover in the future. This means you have to start the birther stuff all over again. It comes with his endorsement
Jerome Horwitz
February 2nd, 2012
2:56 pm
Bro – That would be Bush Sr. Flew diver bombers off a carrier – a low percentage job. Crashed and was rescued by a sub. Didn’t much agree with his policies, but, have major respect for the man. He could’ve used his position to get a stateside job.
Although we’ll never see it again I think it’s important for the CiC to have military experience. That way they have an appreciation for their actions.
theyeshaveit
February 2nd, 2012
2:57 pm
How is it that someone who nursed on the nipple of Bain Capital have any credence on this matter? In fact, how is it that Romney has any credence on virtually anything?
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
2:58 pm
“Thing is, you’re speaking of that as though the poor people who rely on this are ALREADY covered through the health care law. We still have 2 more years before that is “mandatory,” assuming that even holds up in the SCOTUS.”
Adam and Brocephus (who basically copied what Adam said),
PP has plenty more for screenings for the poor without Komen’s assistance, since they have around $1 billion in total assets as I mentioned earlier.
My point has been and is that the left’s uproar with Komen’s decision to no longer be affiliated with PP is ridiculous for all of the reasons we have discussed.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
3:00 pm
The fed said our recovery is “frustratingly” slow because housing needs to turn around.
The President proposes another plan but the speaker said no.
Once again, our President will act alone and the corporate media give the gop a free pass on their obstruction and do nothing ideology as usual.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:01 pm
PP has plenty more for screenings for the poor without Komen’s assistance, since they have around $1 billion in total assets as I mentioned earlier.
And that makes it alright does it?
Look, the problem here is that an organization supposedly offering to help women prevent breast cancer while also searching for the cure have decided to put PERSONAL RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL VIEWS above all of that. THAT is why there is an uproar. Abortion has nothing to do with what Komen was funding or even supporting. And now they have tarnished their reputation with donors.
354 more days
February 2nd, 2012
3:04 pm
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:17 pm
Kinda like why would a political party pick an ass as a leader, or even a mascot
Zedd
February 2nd, 2012
3:05 pm
Holder’s No. 2 in 2009: Gunwalking, Fast and Furious a ‘terrific idea’
http://news.yahoo.com/holder-no-2-2009-gunwalking-fast-furious-terrific-164108934.html
Why Obama should be worried
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72329.html
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
3:06 pm
Further, you justify the ridiculous outcry from the left in that Komen really doesn’t even contribute a significant amount to PP, so they’re partnership was unkown really until they decided to no longer be affiliated with PP because they are under federal investigation.
Well, if SGK is all about finding a cure for breast cancer, which use of charity funds best reach that objective, CEO pay or grants to PP?
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-02/planned-parenthood-replaces-komen-grant-with-online-push.html
Planned Parenthood Federation of America may have already replaced most of the $680,000 in funding it lost from Susan G. Komen for the Cure for its breast- cancer prevention programs, the group said today.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2010/14/charity-10_Susan-G-Komen-for-the-Cure_CH0155.html
Top Person: Nancy G. Brinker
Top Pay:4 $531,924
I never said their amount was insignificant. I only stated they have, through donations, only replaced the amount they would have received from SGK. You should really try to read more for comprehension instead of reading to re-enforce your preconceived notions.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:08 pm
“Look, the problem here is that an organization supposedly offering to help women prevent breast cancer while also searching for the cure have decided to put PERSONAL RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL VIEWS above all of that. THAT is why there is an uproar. Abortion has nothing to do with what Komen was funding or even supporting. And now they have tarnished their reputation with donors.”
Adam,
Komen has seperated themselves because PP is under federal investigation, as I mentioned earlier. They were already losing support in the form of donations because of their affiliation to the nation’s largest abortion provider. Unlike PP (which receives an estimated $500 million from the government yearly) Komen’s only source of viability comes from donations. You have trouble staying on point.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:09 pm
Zedd: Those articles are what is meant to tide you over and make you feel better until your Reagan doll arrives in early November.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
3:09 pm
And since GHWB, has there been much sanity on display in our political system when it comes to the military decisions coming from the executive dept? There’s been a few spot decisions that panned out, but overall, there has not been much consideration on how the decisions affect the troops in my opinion. There also appears to be no plan to deal with possible outcomes of deploying our military. GHWB went in, kicked ass, and got out. We have not seen the same since then from anyone.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:12 pm
T. Head — “Again, the uproar from the left is ridiculous. Obamacare already provides mammograms at no cost (as well as other screenings)”
As we have to keep reminding you, most of the provisions of the ACA don’t even begin kicking in for another year or two.
I suspect that cancer won’t just wait around, and will instead forge ahead with its work.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
3:14 pm
Talking Head
How is my statement and Adams the same? Adam’s talking about the coverage not kicking in for 2 more years. My point is that PP provided service for people who don’t have insurance at all. There’s a big difference between getting coverage for something in 2 years versus not having coverage at all now, or in 2 years time. Geez….
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:14 pm
Talking Head: You have trouble staying on point.
No, you do. They created the rule SPECIFICALLY to take advantage of the fact PP was under investigation so they could stop funding them. Read up on it. This was political. The rule is just a way they are trying to have plausible deniability.
Zedd
February 2nd, 2012
3:14 pm
So says the self appointed blog God who thinks it’s necessary to comment on every post and pass judgment on all! If it doesn’t concern you Adam, then you’re just towing the line and following blind ideology. Free your mind, don’t tow the line!
theyeshaveit
February 2nd, 2012
3:14 pm
Speaking of experience…
The GOP in general, and Mitt Romney in particular, would have us believe that just because of their “business experience” or because they spent a couple years as an “executive” (e.g., Sarah Palin’s stint as governor of Alaska) means a whole heck of a lot when you are sitting in the Oval Office. It doesn’t, as Meg Whitman, the erstwhile eBay CEO and candidate for governor of California found out – running a business and running a government (or even running for office) are different animals. And now, we seem to be pondering “military experience” and the benefits thereof in the Oval Office. Hmmm. Let me see. Were not Saddam Hussein, Muammar Ghadafi, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Franco fond of the military uniform?
But my favorite quote on experience is from tennis champion, Jimmy Connors. Said Jimmy one day when asked how his experience was helping his game, “The funny thing about experience is that by the time you have it, you are too old to use it.”
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:15 pm
Brosephus — “Damn near all politicians do the same thing. When was the last time we had a POTUS with actual military combat experience?”
I’m not aware of Nixon or Carter ever being in combat (both were Navy men), so I’m going to have to go with Kennedy.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:16 pm
Fred — “George HERBERT Walker Bush”
I stand corrected.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
3:16 pm
So Scumdog Billionaire is endorsing Willard.
What demographic will he add to Mitt’s ledger?
The tawdry, womanizing TV clown wannabes?
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:17 pm
The biggest problem is Senator Harry Reid. The Senate ran by corrupt democrats are the ones keeping anything from being done to help our Nation. The Senate lead by Harry Reid NV(D)and his democrat partners-in crime are the real Party of NO. They are also hurting President Obama. Why don’t any of your Pro Obama followers speak out about Harry Reid and the Senate of NO?
redneckbluedog
February 2nd, 2012
3:18 pm
I heard Romney can see Nova Scotia from his Bain Capital high-rise….
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
3:18 pm
eyes
The only people with the necessary experience to be president are the one’s who have completed a term as president. Otherwise, experience doesn’t mean diddly squat.
*The opinion expressed belongs to Brosephus and does not reflect the views of Jay Bookman, The AJC, or Cox Enterprises.
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:19 pm
AmVet, No differentance than the Communist Billionarie Scumbag George Soros for your boy Obama.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:20 pm
KHSN — “Why don’t any of your Pro Obama followers speak out about Harry Reid and the Senate of NO?”
Because we’re busy beating up on the guys on your team?
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:20 pm
Zedd: If it doesn’t concern you Adam, then you’re just towing the line and following blind ideology.
So I should just ignore what you say. Ok, challenge accepted. Thanks for playing.
redneckbluedog
February 2nd, 2012
3:21 pm
I may or may not support Barack Obama, but for the sake of America’s soul, I will do EVERYTHING I CAN to undermine Mitt “The Heretic” Romney’s chances…..
If our “so called” religious leaders like Franklin Graham and Pat Robertson aren’t going to step up and condemn this polytheistic faith, I WILL..!!!!!
What’s sad is: If Mitt Romney were a Democrat….HELL ITSELF WOULD BE CAST UPON THE EARTH…!!!!!!
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
3:21 pm
…Newt’s campaign advisers had erroneously informed various media outlets that business mogul and reality television star Donald Trump was set to endorse Gingrich.
And Newt Agnew’s campaign manger is going………………….Newt.
“I am already tired of you (reporters),” he said, brushing them off. “I need to take a nap.”
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:21 pm
Why don’t any of your Pro Obama followers speak out about Harry Reid and the Senate of NO?
Because none of what you said is true.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm
“As we have to keep reminding you, most of the provisions of the ACA don’t even begin kicking in for another year or two.
I suspect that cancer won’t just wait around, and will instead forge ahead with its work.”
As I have to keep REMINDING you libs about the very bill you support in it’s entirety….if you have enrolled in job-related health plans or individual health insurance policies created after March 23, 2010 this provision will affect you as soon as your plan begins its first new “plan year” or “policy year” on or after September 23, 2010.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/rights/preventive-care/index.html
Also, Under the Affordable Care Act, women’s preventive health care services – such as mammograms, screenings for cervical cancer, and other services – are covered with no cost sharing for new health plans. However, the law recognizes and HHS understands the need to take into account the unique health needs of women throughout their lifespan. These guidelines are effective August 1, 2011. Accordingly, non-grandfathered plans and issuers are required to provide coverage without cost sharing consistent with these guidelines in the first plan year (in the individual market, policy year) that begins on or after August 1, 2012.
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/regulations/womensprevention.html
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm
The ajc and Jay arn’t interested in the truth just here to help Obama get re-elected. In other words just big mouth pieces for the corruption of the far left perverted radicals like Obama and company.
theyeshaveit
February 2nd, 2012
3:22 pm
Brosephus,
Love your disclaimer.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:23 pm
aren’t going to step up and condemn this polytheistic faith
ummmmm polytheistic?
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm
Talking Head: .if you have enrolled in job-related health plans
There’s that word IF again, screwing up your point….
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
3:24 pm
The biggest problem is Senator Harry Reid. The Senate ran by corrupt democrats are the ones keeping anything from being done to help our Nation.
Meat, I concur.
I said back in 2006 that he, Pelosi, Ms. Clinton, Obama et al were shamelessly derelict in their sworn duties as members of congress to we the people.
Perhaps you remember the scenario?
When they “took impeachment off of the table”?
Gutless Democrats protecting cowardly and deadly Republicans.
Great…
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm
The ajc and Jay arn’t interested in the truth just here to help Obama get re-elected. In other words just big mouth pieces for the corruption of the far left perverted radicals like Obama and company.
Not Intended to Be a Factual Statement
Mittens Rmoney
February 2nd, 2012
3:25 pm
pahhdon me, do you have any grey poupon?
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:26 pm
Adam, You are just a lost cause and need to be thrown away with all the other trash.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)@9:39 “I guess Trump is going to endorse Newt, maybe that means Romney isn’t so bad after all.”
Correction:
I guess Trump is going to endorse Mitt, maybe that means Gingrich isn’t so bad after all.
Disclaimer: The above is in no way my endorsement of any candidate. Just my personal opinion that Trump is a blowhard.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:27 pm
T. Head — “As I have to keep REMINDING you libs about the very bill . . . (SNIP). . . Accordingly, non-grandfathered plans and issuers are required to provide coverage without cost sharing consistent with these guidelines in the first plan year (in the individual market, policy year) that begins on or after August 1, 2012.”
Try reading the things you post BEFORE you post them. Then you won’t wind up looking like a complete tool.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:28 pm
I am so SO hurt
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
3:28 pm
Looks like meat has come back in yet a new guise.
Same garbage repackaged for staleness!
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 2nd, 2012
3:29 pm
BTW – Which one you stole Winter? It is beautiful outside.
theyeshaveit
February 2nd, 2012
3:29 pm
Adam,
Maybe bluedog meant Almighty God AND the Almighty Dollar.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:30 pm
Adam,
Everyone woman in this country with any form of health insurance will be provided mammograms at no additional cost starting August 1 of this year.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 2nd, 2012
3:30 pm
looks like I forgot the “of”
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:31 pm
Talking Head: Ok but the point is those who are NOT covered still have no recourse for two years, except Planned Parenthood, when it comes to breast screenings.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
T. Head — “Everyone woman in this country with any form of health insurance will be provided mammograms at no additional cost starting August 1 of this year.”
Too late, you already contradicted yourself:
“. . .in the first plan year (in the individual market, policy year) that begins on or after August 1, 2012.”
You really didn’t read any of that before you posted it, did you? And you STILL haven’t completely read it.
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
AmVet, True, but also true what King Harry is doing now in the Senate with his democrat corrupt partners-in crime. The nCongress has passed many bills but King Harry won’t let them be voted on the Senate floor simply because Reid doesn’t like the bill. Reid isn’t their for his own personal kindom but to do the people’s business. And even today he is shamelessly derelict of his duties.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
theyeshaveit: Good one!
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:32 pm
“T. Head — “As I have to keep REMINDING you libs about the very bill . . . (SNIP). . . Accordingly, non-grandfathered plans and issuers are required to provide coverage without cost sharing consistent with these guidelines in the first plan year (in the individual market, policy year) that begins on or after August 1, 2012.”
Joe @ 3:12 “As we have to keep reminding you, most of the provisions of the ACA don’t even begin kicking in for another year or two.”
Joe you just fell into a trap making you look stupid. August 1 is less than 6 months away which is clearly not “another year or two.”
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
3:33 pm
Steve, I think it’s time for Jay to come up with a new Global Cooling thread!
All the Rick Perry fans would be delighted…
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:36 pm
AmVet, Yeah and Obama woukd invest taxpayers money in it.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:36 pm
“Talking Head: Ok but the point is those who are NOT covered still have no recourse for two years, except Planned Parenthood, when it comes to breast screenings.”
The same PP that has $1 billion in assets to provide screenings to the very poor. Let’s not forget that PP isn’t the only organization in America to provide mammograms either.
redneckbluedog
February 2nd, 2012
3:37 pm
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:23 pm
ummmmm polytheistic?
—————————————
Yes….I hope you will learn and spread the word….For your sake, for my sake, for the sake of America..!!!!!
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:37 pm
T. Head — “Joe you just fell into a trap making you look stupid. August 1 is less than 6 months away which is clearly not “another year or two.”
Wrong. You still haven’t READ your own material.
August 1 is not a drop dead date. It’s the START date. Reread.
“non-grandfathered plans and issuers are required to provide coverage without cost sharing consistent with these guidelines in the first plan year (in the individual market, policy year) that begins on or after August 1, 2012.”
Plan years could start in November 2012. They could start in January 2013. They could start as late as freakin JULY of 2013 and still be compliant. That’s a year and a half from now, Cowboy.
The only one looking stupid here is you, because you don’t even read your own links, and because you don’t even reread the stuff you post when it’s pointed out to you that it contradicts what you’re saying.
theyeshaveit
February 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm
AmVet, Yeah and Obama woukd invest taxpayers money in it.
REAL taxpayers don’t get that 15% rate that Mitt gets.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
3:40 pm
Talking Head: The same PP that has $1 billion in assets to provide screenings to the very poor. Let’s not forget that PP isn’t the only organization in America to provide mammograms either.
Both irrelevant to the topic of Komen decided to defund them for political reasons. PP lost money on this, and only the public opinion backlash has gotten them to recover from it. To say “Oh well, they have SOME money left” is an intellectually dishonest diversion from the point. It does not matter that they can fund SOME screenings, what matters is that an organization that was helping them fund MORE pulled their funding for political reasons. Looking at the end result and going “Oh well they did just fine anyway” is beside any legitimate point being made here.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
3:42 pm
Meat, I know from watching you in action heretofore, that after repeated embarrassments, you sometimes are inclined to tone down the juvenile rhetoric
To wit, your childish and unfounded accusation about Obama being “my boy”.
I voted against him in 2008, will not vote for him in November and have denounced many of his policies – including Obamacare, his reticence in seeking justice against the wall Street criminals and banksters and his Afghan ’surge” among others.
But you?
You’d rather go to Islamic hell (Do Muslims go to hell? LOL!) before you acknowledge what a POS you voted for in 2000 and 2004.
And enjoy your blogging day with your new name. Perhaps somebody else will engage you further…
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:43 pm
Obama is the most corrupt President in modern American History. Obama is worst than Nixon. And most of you left-wing bloggers couldn’t care less because the only think that matters to you is that Obama’s Black and a Socialist liberal democrat.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
3:43 pm
Everyone woman in this country with any form of health insurance will be provided mammograms at no additional cost starting August 1 of this year.
And where do those women without any coverage go for mammograms? Planned Parenthood and other providers for those without insurance. I, personally, don’t know of any Susan G. Komen clinics in existence at this point in time. They only provide funding to clinics for mammograms and like services.
eyes
I don’t wanna get Jay or anybody else in trouble for the things I believe. I’d hate for an entire group of people to be labeled just because of my opinion, not that anybody would do such a thing. //sarc//
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:44 pm
Joe,
Obviously you don’t read as I said, “T. Head — “Everyone woman in this country with any form of health insurance will be provided mammograms at no additional cost starting August 1 of this year.””
Clearly I said that any woman with any form of health insurance…implying that they already have insurance, not those who don’t have insurance. It’s all there black and white.
md
February 2nd, 2012
3:45 pm
“GHWB went in, kicked ass, and got out.”
Yes he did, but what would have happened had the UN mandate not specified that?
We will never know…….
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:45 pm
“And where do those women without any coverage go for mammograms? Planned Parenthood and other providers for those without insurance. I, personally, don’t know of any Susan G. Komen clinics in existence at this point in time. They only provide funding to clinics for mammograms and like services.”
I don’t know, but here is a link that will tell you some info on free or low cost screenings.
http://apps.nccd.cdc.gov/dcpc_Programs/default.aspx?NPID=1
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 2nd, 2012
3:46 pm
You’d rather go to Islamic hell (Do Muslims go to hell?
Well, the ones that’s been bad and don’t get the 78 virgins get Granny and Sister Dusty and people like that, so I guess you could call that hell.
Happy to help out, AmVet.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:47 pm
T. Head — “Joe, Obviously you don’t read”
Obviously, YOU are the one not reading, because you’re replying to Brosephus’ post at 3:43.
Erwin's cat
February 2nd, 2012
3:47 pm
lots of opinions being presented as facts today….at least in my opinion
As far a Komen, it’s their money and can distribute it as they feel fit, if you don’t like it then don’t contribute to Komen…what’s the problem?
The outrage over how someone else in the private sector decides to spend their own money is ridiculous
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:47 pm
How much money has Obama spend.? And how much debt has Obama racked up since he’s been President? How many jobs have been lost under Obama’s administration? LIke Clinton said “It’s the economy stupid”.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:48 pm
“Both irrelevant to the topic of Komen decided to defund them for political reasons. PP lost money on this, and only the public opinion backlash has gotten them to recover from it. To say “Oh well, they have SOME money left” is an intellectually dishonest diversion from the point. It does not matter that they can fund SOME screenings, what matters is that an organization that was helping them fund MORE pulled their funding for political reasons. Looking at the end result and going “Oh well they did just fine anyway” is beside any legitimate point being made here.”
Well according to someone else here on this blog they didn’t lose any money, and have made what little they were getting from Komen back.
Again, Adam. PP has $1 billion in total assets, and Komen was granting them (as someone else said earlier) roughtly $600k. So “To say “Oh well, they have SOME money left” …no they have $999,400,000 left
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
3:49 pm
PP lost money on this, and only the public opinion backlash has gotten them to recover from it.
While I’d already contributed to PP late last year, I’m planning to kick a few more bucks their way in the form of an honorary gift. (You can too.)
be sure to specify that PP’s “Thank you!” card goes to:
Karen Handel
Senior VP of Fail
c/o Susan G. Komen Foundation
P.O. Box 650309
Dallas, TX 75265-0309
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:50 pm
SfD — “Karen Handel
Senior VP of Fail”
I want to know how you get a gig as a Senior VP without a college degree.
Soothsayer
February 2nd, 2012
3:50 pm
We are running $1,000,000,000,000.00+ deficits each year. We print $3,700,000,000.00 of them little green thingies that we carry around in our pockets each day.
We need to be spending money on Eye-Rack and Afghanistan like a hole in the head. We need to be spending $0.43 of every dollar spent Worldwide on our military like a hole in the head. We need to be spending $1,500,000,000,000.00 on our military like a hole in the head.
We need Mitt Romney like a hole in the head.
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
3:51 pm
The outrage over how someone else in the private sector decides to spend their own money is ridiculous
Erwin, perhaps if you’d participated in one or more of their fundraising events yourself–i.e., if you’d had a dog in this fight–you’d feel differently.
(I have. I can only say this much–I ain’t planning to wear that race T-shirt again.)
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:51 pm
Joe,
Look at your post at 3:32 and my post at 3:44
Libs are getting clowned here today lol!
md
February 2nd, 2012
3:52 pm
“The outrage over how someone else in the private sector decides to spend their own money is ridiculous”
Must remember that there are some here that look at others’ money as always being shareable…….probably the same ones that call for tax increases on anyone but themselves….
Thomas
February 2nd, 2012
3:52 pm
I think we all should consider paying down the national debt as it helps everyone especially the unemployed:
Be sure to write a Thank You note to President Obama
•You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it’s a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:
Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188
King Harry said NO
February 2nd, 2012
3:53 pm
The CBO said that the national debt has grown much under the Obama Presidency. And that obamacare will cost us many billions more than they throught.
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
JHM (and others), I really should credit TBogg for that contact/title/address info @ 3.49, so here ’tis:
http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2012/01/31/the-pink-badge-of-cowardice/
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
3:54 pm
T. Head — “Look at your post at 3:32 and my post at 3:44 ”
I did. There’s no connection.
“Libs are getting clowned here today lol!”
You still don’t get it. You cite 1 AUG 2012 as if *everyone with insurance* will have covered mammograms *on that date.* They won’t. Even further, the material YOU quoted even makes that clear.
The fact that you can’t see this even when I repeatedly point it out to you is hilarious.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
3:55 pm
RC, LOL.
One of the craziest things I’ve ever witnessed here is after a certain obsessed female finally got canned, Dusty and a forested-type went the self-banning route. Apparently in some demented display of honor amongst trolls.
Hallelujah and pass the collection plate…
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
3:56 pm
“couldn’t care less because the only think that matters to you is that Obama’s Black and a Socialist liberal democrat.”
Ahhhhhhh yes, I love the “because he’s black” card. I really dont understand what that REALLY means.
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm
Joe,
I’m glad you support Obama, it reinforces my suspicions of the types of people who are so easily manipulated
Erwin's cat
February 2nd, 2012
3:58 pm
stands – Komen is a shell of what it once was mission-wise anyway and much less credible then it used to be…your protest (stop supporting them) is the appropriate measure.
There are plenty of other avenues to donate for a cure
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
4:01 pm
Funny how some seem to think that a nonprofit 501(c) organization that receives contributions that are tax deductible to the donors somehow is just “private enterprise” and can do what they want ignoring all rules or that their donors cannot be upset with how their donations are channelled.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:01 pm
md: “The outrage over how someone else in the private sector decides to spend their own money is ridiculous”
Must remember that there are some here that look at others’ money as always being shareable…….probably the same ones that call for tax increases on anyone but themselves….
You know, go ahead and spend the money as you wish. That does not mean I can’t legitimately call out Komen for doing it for POLITICAL and RELIGIOUS reasons. I happen to think that for an organization that has a stated goal of helping ALL women avoid breast cancer, and looking for the cure, that it was wrong for them to pull this for that reason. And as I also said, there is EVIDENCE that they did so for political purposes, and that their “plausible deniability” bylaw was created specifically to target PP.
THAT is what I find abhorrent. Not this generic “well it’s their money let them spend it how they like” BS.
md
February 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm
What’s the big bruhaha about Komen? Don’t like it, don’t contribute…….pretty simple concept.
Too bad so many don’t get upset about the 50 billion we lose every month in a trade imbalance, but I’m guessing it’s due to not having a clue as to what effect that has on their everyday life….tick, tick, tick.
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
4:02 pm
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
3:57 pm
You’re welcome. You mean like these ppl >
Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/intelligence-study-links-prejudice_n_1237796.html?ref=mostpopular
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:03 pm
EC
I’ve already stated as much. My opinion is that money talks, bullsh*t walks. I’ve donated to SGK in the past as well as other charities. When those charities co-mingle politics with their activities, I put my money towards charities that transcend politics and act with humanity first instead.
I don’t know, but here is a link that will tell you some info on free or low cost screenings.
From your posted link:
In 2000, Congress passed the Breast and Cervical Cancer Prevention and Treatment Act, which gives states the option to offer women in the NBCCEDP access to treatment through Medicaid. To date, all 50 states and the District of Columbia have approved this Medicaid option. [...]
An estimated 8%–11% of U.S. women of screening age are eligible to receive NBCCEDP services.
Seems like your suggestion helps some, but it does not plug the hole completely. That’s where other clinics, PP included, help fill that gap in coverage. Thanks for making my point better than I did in the first place.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 2nd, 2012
4:03 pm
This is a question so put your guns and knives away.
Isn’t Komen part of the distribution network of the United Way? Many employer’s have voluntary payroll deductions. Where my wife works anyone who kicks in $2 a week toward the United Way gets to wear jeans on Friday.
md
February 2nd, 2012
4:04 pm
“And as I also said, there is EVIDENCE that they did so for political purposes, and that their “plausible deniability” bylaw was created specifically to target PP.”
Good for you Adam…….counselor, judge and jury……….the reality is, you have no clue why they did it unless you were in the inner circle…….were you?
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm
theeyeshaveit, missed you man, way to jump in…
Paul
February 2nd, 2012
4:05 pm
So, a simple yes or no:
Has anyone made a case for staying in Afg in a combat role past 2013 or 2014?
And, has anyone produced a Rosetta Stone to translate Mitt’s words regarding Afg?
(I’m guessing both questions have the same answer)
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:06 pm
Talking Head: no they have $999,400,000 left
No they don’t. $1 billion in total assets does not equal $1 billion in cash on hand. Also that is a rabbit hole argument and you’re still missing the point. If you want to know what the point is, reread and respond appropriately. Otherwise, I am done trying to get you to get it.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
4:06 pm
T. Head — “I’m glad you support Obama, it reinforces my suspicions of the types of people who are so easily manipulated.”
Having voted for Reagan twice and Bush the Elder twice, I could hardly *help* but be easily manipulated, don’t you think?
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
4:07 pm
Steve — “Where my wife works anyone who kicks in $2 a week toward the United Way gets to wear jeans on Friday.”
I applaud your wife’s employer for making her wear pants at least once a week.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:08 pm
Has anyone made a case for staying in Afg in a combat role past 2013 or 2014?
And, has anyone produced a Rosetta Stone to translate Mitt’s words regarding Afg?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGkmiaL4-xs
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:08 pm
md: Good for you Adam…….counselor, judge and jury……….the reality is, you have no clue why they did it unless you were in the inner circle…….were you?
People in the inner circle have spoken out about this indicating as such. And I am sure ALL of them lied about it, just like ALL the people who accused Herman Cain. It’s just a liberal media lie or something
Seriously if you want to know, read up on it. That would be a CHOICE btw. The other choice is to sit there and NOT read up on it, ASSUMING your position is correct.
md
February 2nd, 2012
4:09 pm
“Has anyone made a case for staying in Afg in a combat role past 2013 or 2014?”
Depends on one’s definition of “combat”…..I’ve never been in favor of “boots on the ground with hands tied behind their back” forces……I have no problem flying drones from Nevada………
Want to ramp up manufacturing here in the States? Mass drone production……….
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:10 pm
Paul
On a serious note on Afg, I’ll remind you of “Love from Above”.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm
Joe,
You know I thought someone would make a snarky comment about that. You were one of the three I thought off. Actually jeans are one type of pants.
I was merely trying to point out that some people might be contributing to SGK and not even realize it.
Jefferson
February 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm
If the US gov’t was a waiter and Mitt’s taxes were not even 15%, he would get a bugger in his filet.
md
February 2nd, 2012
4:11 pm
And the other choice Adam, would be to try the case in the Court of Public Opinion……which seems to be your choice.
I’ll defer judgement until further evidence surfaces……THAT is my choice.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
4:12 pm
Paul, Brosephus, I didn’t know a Rosetta stone was required for
english..unless you are a furriner…
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:12 pm
Congressional Republicans criticized the Federal Reserve on Thursday for working to reduce unemployment and revive the housing market rather than maintaining a single-minded focus on inflation.
The Fed’s chairman, Ben S. Bernanke, was sharply questioned by members of a House committee about the Fed’s announcement last week that it plans to hold short-term interest rates near zero until late 2014, a measure that the Fed described as necessary to support a faster pace of economic recovery.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/03/business/economy/fed-chief-focuses-anew-on-us-debt.html?_r=1&hp
In other words, you’d better not keep trying to help the economy, Bernanke!
day-tripper
February 2nd, 2012
4:12 pm
Just tip-toed thru the comments. Whoever redneck convert is rules the day. The rest of ya’ll should get a job and quit pissing your day away.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
4:13 pm
day-tripper, :finger:
Boris Badnoff
February 2nd, 2012
4:14 pm
Bet ya never heard of Hot Ice
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/feb/01/glacier-thief-arrested-ice-cubes
The way to win in Afghanistan is to tell them to put down their weapons and start singing: Give Me That Old Time Religion or we are going to jam all of their internet and satellite connections and the only thing they’ll be able to get is Bookman’s Blog and Wayne Newton concerts.
Erwin's cat
February 2nd, 2012
4:14 pm
Adam – “…That does not mean I can’t legitimately call out Komen for doing it for POLITICAL and RELIGIOUS reasons…”
So you’re outraged that their motivation was political and religious reasons…??
Are you equally as outraged when someone is motivated by political and religious reasons to make a donation or contribution to an organization you don’t support?
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
4:15 pm
Welcome- What a day it is when the conservatives are touting Hillary Clinton as a worthy replacement. Her role in the conservative imagination has done a 180 in just under a decade
No, I haven’t changed my opinion of her. I feel sorry for the New Yorkers who are gullible enough to elect a complete outsider who would move in to their area just because she knows any Democrat could get elected there.
What Hillary does possess is leadership. Our country really needs a leader right now and obama isn’t it. He’s always been a “behind the scenes” guy and his total lack of leadership experience and unwillingness to change is really hurting us.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
4:15 pm
Steve — “You know I thought someone would make a snarky comment about that. You were one of the three I thought off.”
One smartazz comment about a wife deserves another.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:16 pm
frog
There’s quite a few different dialects of English, some of which a Rosetta Stone might not even be enough to help with.
Paul
February 2nd, 2012
4:16 pm
Thanks, Brosephus. Knew I could count on you!
barking frog
This particular Rosetta Stone translates politician-speak into ‘what the heck did he just say?” English.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:17 pm
day-tripper, :finger:
If only that emoticon was supported here…
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:17 pm
Erwin: Did you even read the rest? If Salvation Army decided they would STOP helping someone because they were not Christian or not Republican, you bet I’d be outraged. That’s pretty much the equivalent. Komen defunded PP because they don’t like abortion, and that goes contrary to their stated goals and their history.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
4:18 pm
Brosephus, you’re right, i grew up with 18th century english, i think…
jake
February 2nd, 2012
4:18 pm
He doesn’t say how he’ll beat them. Just make Newt president of Afghanistan; the Taliban will lay down their weapons and apply for all the new jobs at the casinos Newt will build in and around Kabul.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm
Um . . OT, but WTF is this bullspit?
http://www.thegrio.com/news/bishop-eddie-long-is-crowned-king-in-gods-government.php
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm
Paul
You did catch my first response, right? It ended up as the Mr. Irrelevant post on the previous page.
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm
Bloomberg to donate $250k to Planned Parenthood
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/bloomberg-donate-250k-planned-parenthood-article-1.1016157
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm
JAY,
Was just glossing over the CBO report…..your guy in the WH is toast. I don’t even think the race will be close. Not that I like Romney any better, but BO’s record is trash in terms of gaining/regaining any confidence…certainly from us independents. Horrific 4 year showing…at least by means of how score is kept.
His lack of a spine, high regard for the status quo, and blatant cronyism are going to be his downfall. His signature HC bill is not liked by a majority of the population…..the CBO projections now spell doom for the object of your worship….
Good news is that you have have much more material to work with re a GOP exec branch,…
Jefferson
February 2nd, 2012
4:19 pm
What is hurting our country is folks with their pissy attitudes that everything bad is the gov’t fault and constantly looking for political hay to get back in power the wreck the country again. Companies control the economy blame them for the unemployment, if you want the gov’t to hire pay higher taxes. Wanna be day time politicians for the GOP are the biggest cry babies south of the North pole.
Erwin's cat
February 2nd, 2012
4:22 pm
Adam – “Did you even read the rest?”
what if I were politically and religiously motivated to donate to the LDS instaed of CARE…would you be outraged?
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:23 pm
Stevie: Was just glossing over the CBO report…..your guy in the WH is toast. I don’t even think the race will be close.
That reads like “DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN”
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:24 pm
JHM @ 4:19
All I could muster from that was…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwxFCj863gg#t=00m10s
Erwin's cat
February 2nd, 2012
4:24 pm
Adam – yes I read it all of your rant
a lot of words to say very little…It could be summed up as “I no longer support Komen”
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:24 pm
Erwin: You are not an organization with a previously stated goal and a long history of working toward that goal. Your personal contributions are of no concern to me unless we have some kind of bet.
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:26 pm
I think it’s time to go. Either you guys get why people are upset about Komen’s decision or you don’t. But don’t be so ridiculous as to dismiss it as “Oh well just don’t support them then.” I won’t, and sure they have the ability to fund or not fund whatever they choose. But that won’t stop me from calling out their BS.
Nite all.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
4:27 pm
Jefferson,
Don’t forget the fact that we now have 50% of the population getting something from government and the other 50% paying for it….None of those in DC give a flip about us…unless we contribute….
Of course, things are not that bad. I’m still trying to identify those middle class folks who are suffering so..unemployed I understand but can’t help but to think much of the “pain” of whoever these folks are is contrived. I don’t think the growing casm between haves and have nots is reason to believe all these folks have it so bad…heck, our “poor” folks have tv’s, cars……
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
4:28 pm
I have no problem flying drones from Nevada………
Me, three, md.
Smile! You’re on Candid Camera!
I have read virtually nothing about the particulars (and don’t trust the representations made by certain right wing bloggers! LOL!) but I really suspect that the black eye that SGK is getting – apparently just for caving into the demands of some 1950s Republican – is gonna hurt them considerably.
Fairly or not.
And time will tell…
Newt’s chances at getting his rotund fingers on the nuclear football…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
February 2nd, 2012
4:29 pm
The CBO report reads what most rational people have expected. A long slow recovery no matter who is in the White House. There is and never was some 6 month turnaround.
Never tell the masses how long the recovery will really take and never ever tell them what Soylent Green is.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
4:30 pm
ADAM,
Not since Carter did an economy look so dark…..and that’s just by CBO standards….(not very credible in long run IMO) wait until the debates and campaign attacks commence. Your pal is gonna get skewered. Worst record of results in the history of records and results (ok a bit overstated but the report is seriously damning)…
Speaking of Jimmy Carter……
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
4:30 pm
SR, are you waiting for the odds to get even better at Intrade before making your “sure bet”? (grin)
Paul
February 2nd, 2012
4:31 pm
Brosephus
sure did.
AmVet
I’m still waiting for a PAC commercial with Newt in one of his ‘moods’ with the voice-over of ‘do you want him getting the call at 3am? 4am? 5am? Ever?!!?
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
4:33 pm
“Not since Carter did an economy look so dark”
SOOO, when we were losing 800k jobs a month, almost 4millon under GWB in the last 6 months, the economy looked great for you??
Do better with your talking points….think outside what Sean and Rush tell you.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
4:34 pm
AMVET,
Well…funny you mention that!
STEVE,
Yup, you are spot on….being in electorate is alot like playing musical chairs…vagaries. It’s like disregarding the Super bowl score and awarding the winner to the best dressed team with most catchy slogan…
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
4:34 pm
Gee, Wally. That mental image of Newtie in his PJs is a bit much.
I guess the question would be, is that Callista next to him or not?
Herman's Cane
February 2nd, 2012
4:34 pm
We all over at the Tea Party Xpress must insist that President Romney beat the Taliban without spending another red cent on that war. Not a penny.
Go America!
Jefferson
February 2nd, 2012
4:34 pm
Opinions, speculation….
http://bottomline.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/02/10291640-obama-may-keep-his-job-even-if-you-lose-yours
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:35 pm
Big money sheets…
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
4:37 pm
Brosephus- Does that make me a criminal just because of people that can be linked to my past with whom I’ve had a great deal of interaction with?
No. My guess is you didn’t participate with their activities. You have known about at least some of them, but you didn’t necesarily approve of them either. When obama is asked about any of these people, is answer is always “who, what, I don’t know”.
-Bill Ayers: started his first campaign in his livingroom. No idea who he is.
-Tony Rezco: Sold him his house (sweatheart deal and bought the lot next door to keep it empty and give him more space). Fundraiser for him, currently in jail. No idea who he is.
Rev. Wright- married him and Michelle, in his church for 20 years. Never heard him say anything bad.
The list just keeps going. I don’t buy the BS about it being “intellectual curiosity” either. You tend to hang out with people who have common interests. obama’s friends are crooks, terrorist, and marxists/socialist. While I’m not going to point out a specific thing he does that’s “evil”, I think it’s laughable to believe he is pure as snow and none of these people have any influence on his beliefs or agenda.
Stevie Ray
February 2nd, 2012
4:38 pm
JOE,
You can call me names but please don’t suggest I watch those homers…very insulting. I like the POST, WSJ, and the Economist but I don’t recall a sitting president ever having such damning (not like he could have changed it) “respected” pro forma disaster released in the year of re-election. FOX, MSNBC et al all suck…half truths at best.
353 more days
February 2nd, 2012
4:39 pm
Stevie Ray,
Haven’t you heard that the current POTUS is running on Hope and Change, rather than running on his accomplishments or lack there of.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
4:42 pm
Thomas- •You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it’s a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:
Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188
Does Warren Buffet know about this? Is it tax deductible?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
4:42 pm
I don’t buy the BS about it being “intellectual curiosity” either. You tend to hang out with people who have common interests.
I don’t always hang with people who have common interests. Hell, I spend a fair amount of time here. I don’t know about Obama’s motive, but I’m always looking for different opinions and outlooks to further my knowledge and outlook on people. It also helps re-enforce my built-in bullsh*t detector, and that pays huge dividends at work. If you felt he was the same as those others, you would have no problem at identifying numerous instances of his “evil. I agree that he’s not pure as snow, especially since I don’t think anybody is like that. I don’t buy the evil stuff if you don’t have concrete evidence to prove it. I see it as nothing more than opinion masquerading as fact.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
5:06 pm
-Brosephus
By the way, my best friend in HS ran a pharmiceutical business too. Got in, got big, got out. Retired at the ripe old age of 23. He’s an absentee owner for a couple businesses (gamestop, walden books, radio shack) and owns several rental properties now. One of the few success stories you’ll ever hear about in the business.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
5:26 pm
JKL
I hope he covered his track quite well. If I’m not mistaken, anything he’s done with money gained from activities of ill repute can be confiscated if he’s ever linked to sales of parmaceuticals. The people I knew who did that were pretty much too dumb to be able to cover their tracks very well. That’s why they ended up getting caught.
Get Real
February 2nd, 2012
5:49 pm
I was hungry and then I read all the liberal gruel on this blog….I am full now but sick to my stomach…..go figure
Your Party SUCKS........But My Party is GRRRRRREAT!!!! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 2nd, 2012
7:37 pm
Talking Head
February 2nd, 2012
2:28 pm
“LOL!!!
You guys need to see Komen’s Facebook page.”
Planned Parenthood has an estimated $1 billion in assets. I doubt they will be hurting from the lack of a few million granted by Komen.
In 2010 SGK only donated around $600,000 to PP. A drop in the bucket.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
7:38 pm
Brosephus- I hope he covered his track quite well
It’s been 23 years since he retired. He’s just a wel respected business man now.
Jack
February 2nd, 2012
8:08 pm
Obama likely isn’t worried about Romney, tough talk or Afghanistan. He’s probably worried about what he’s going to promise the free-loaders next time around.
Your Party SUCKS........But My Party is GRRRRRREAT!!!! (formerly That Black Guy)
February 2nd, 2012
9:03 pm
Adam
February 2nd, 2012
4:01 pm
And as I also said, there is EVIDENCE that they did so for political purposes,
And yet, Adam, you present NO EVIDENCE to support your claims.
willydoit?
February 3rd, 2012
7:59 am
Beat them! It can be done by turning off the cameras and letting our guys do what they do best!!
Kill’em….kill’em all!
What the hell…Nuke’em! War would be over in a flash…a very bright flash!