What does Romney’s tough talk on Afghanistan mean?
In a recent debate in Florida, Mitt Romney was asked how he plans to end the lengthy war in Afghanistan, given that he has rejected the idea of trying to negotiate with the Taliban.
“By beating them,” he answered.
It was a strong, manly answer, short and to the point. And yes, beating them sounds like quite an appealing option.
On the other hand, we’ve been at it for more than a decade now, through a good part of three presidential terms, and have lost more than 1,800 American lives in the process. And we don’t seem to be much closer to “beating them” than we were when we began. While we’ve succeeded in weakening the movement, Taliban leadership has retreated to havens in Pakistan, where we continue to strike at them when possible via drones and missiles. Short of an invasion of Pakistan, “beating them” seems a very tall order. If Romney has specific ideas on how that might be accomplished, I have not seen them.
In fact, two of Romney’s own foreign-policy advisers, Mitchell Reiss and James Shinn, have publicly endorsed negotiations. As Shinn writes with co-author James Dobbins in “Afghan Peace Talks: A Primer”, the bottom-line goal of U.S. policy must be to prevent a return of al Qaeda to Afghanistan. He and Dobbins write:
“The United States can prevent this indefinitely as long as it is willing to commit significant military and economic resources to a counterinsurgency effort. It cannot eliminate the threat, however, as long as the Afghan insurgents enjoy sanctuary in and support from Pakistan. The United States could also achieve its objective if the Taliban could be persuaded to cut ties with al Qaeda and end its insurgency in exchange for some role in Afghan governance short of total control.
Peace negotiations would obviously be desirable if they could succeed in achieving this objective, but they are also worth pursuing even if they fail, as the risks associated with entering such a process may be greater for the insurgents than for the Afghan government and its allies.”
There’s a lot of hard truth packed in those two paragraphs. As Shinn and Dobbins write, we can keep the Taliban at bay as long as the United States “is willing to commit significant military and economic resources to a counterinsurgency effort.” But we aren’t willing to do so forever, and we know it. Public opinion in this country has turned sharply against an open-ended continuation of the war, and the Afghanis are growing tired of our presence as well.
In fact, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has from time to time denounced NATO forces as occupiers, claiming at one point that “It is just for their national interest that they put our lives under their feet and dishonor the people.”
In light of that reality, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta this week announced plans to end active U.S. involvement in combat in Afghanistan by the end of 2013. U.S. forces after that point would serve to train and assist Afghan government forces, including providing air cover, air transport and logistics support. But the brunt of the fighting would be done by the Afghans themselves.
Yesterday, Romney cast scorn on that approach, describing Panetta as “misguided and naive.”
“He announced that so the Taliban hears it, the Pakistanis hear it, the Afghan leaders hear it,” Romney said. “Why in the world do you go to the people that you’re fighting with and tell them the day you’re pulling out your troops? It makes absolutely no sense. [Obama’s] naivete is putting in jeopardy the mission of the United States of America and our commitments to freedom. He is wrong. We need new leadership in Washington.”
With those seemingly passionate comments, Romney repeats a refrain against announcing timelines that became familiar during the Iraq years. But again, it’s a curious stance. Because you see, Romney himself has publicly endorsed a deadline of 2014 for the withdrawal of almost all NATO military forces, including Americans, from Afghanistan. To borrow his language, Romney announced that support “so the Taliban hears it, the Pakistanis hear it, the Afghan leaders hear it.”
So I’m not sure exactly what his argument is, other than to make meaningless noise on the campaign trail and try to pump himself up as a strong-willed military leader.
If we are going to withdraw almost completely by 2014, leaving behind perhaps a group of advisers, trainers and intelligence specialists, it seems reasonable and rational that you would give the Afghan security forces a year to find their footing before handing them full responsibility.
But hey, if Romney has a plan for how to “beat the Taliban” and yet be out of Afghanistan by 2014, and to do so without giving Afghan security forces a transition period in which they take the lead role with strong U.S. backing, the American people would like to hear it.
Otherwise, his rhetoric comes across as macho blather, and I believe that rather recent experience has soured the American people on that for a while.
– Jay Bookman
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Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
““We have a spending problem but lets stay in Afghanistan forever” con argument.”
“We have a spending problem…oh wait nevermind no we don’t” liberal argument
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:06 pm
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:08 pm
The priority in those first two years, focus rapidly crafting a health care bill riddled with issues and now under fire heading to a showdown in the SCOTUS
Seems the first focus that the deluded omit was the recovery act and fixing healthcare was a secondary project that incorporated many Republican ideas and concepts. But again, the inconsistent claims seem to come faster than a Bachelor contestant sending home some without their roses…..
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm
Oh and I guess I can’t really enter the “are you better off than you were 4 years ago” debate. Our family income has increased by almost $40,000 in the last 4 years along with the fact that our retirement funds are WAY up from where they were 4 years ago. While our house lost some value, it is still worth more than we paid for it and we recently refinanced it at a significantly lower rate (and a smaller amount).
But I also realize that our circumstances are much different than a vast majority of Americans.
md
February 2nd, 2012
12:09 pm
“Doesn’t a growing population also mean that, whether we like it or not, spending will increase?”
And if that is true, the opposite must also be true…..revenues should also increase due to the same reason. Unless the new folks pay no form of taxes and fees…..which isn’t the case.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:10 pm
“But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!”
Corrupt congress is giddy because it makes it easier to kill Americans.
Midori
February 2nd, 2012
12:10 pm
um, Talking Head?
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s320×320/422056_2689187950500_1280511162_32211228_1509171081_n.jpg
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:11 pm
Normal – when I was a child I had the “early spring / late spring” bit explained like this:
If Phil sees his shadow, winter will last 6 more weeks
If he doesn’t, winter will only last another month and a half
md
February 2nd, 2012
12:11 pm
“along with the fact that our retirement funds are WAY up from where they were 4 years ago”
There is always a good chance stocks will go WAY up after they have gone WAY done…..
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:11 pm
Yo Kepp @ 12:08: Ypou are forgetting the fact that if they choose not to pretend it never happened, then the Fanatics will actually claim that it didn’t work (recovery act.)
Smoke and mirrors. Or the Jedi mind trick. They seem pretty susceptible to the Jedi mind trick those wasckly wepublicans do……..
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:13 pm
But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!
You’re talking about the ultimate in small arms lethality. The scary thing is that what’s being done on a .50 cal will probably readily scale down to smaller caliber rounds that carry just as much punch as the .50 does. Check the ballistics on the .408 CheyTac and the .416 Barrett when you have time. My one question would be whether the technology could be reverse engineered from someone who’s been “dismissed” from the field of battle.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:14 pm
pea,
Our President did cut spending.
80 billion on this topic.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
12:15 pm
md — “There is always a good chance stocks will go WAY up after they have gone WAY done….”
Everyone, look here. md seems to be trying to give President Bush some credit for the market gains over the last couple of years.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:15 pm
revenues should also increase due to the same reason. Unless the new folks pay no form of taxes and fees…..which isn’t the case.
True. However, if those new folks are only able to find employment that puts them in that 47% that pays no fed income taxes, that revenue is still diminished from what it would otherwise be if the tax sale was allowed to end as it should have 2 years ago.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
12:16 pm
If any of P. Phil or General Lee’s relatives get near my beans this spring, it’s lights out!
Romney Has Foot In Mouth Disease (And There Is No Cure For Him)
February 2nd, 2012
12:17 pm
Can you trust a Republican who is constantly spewing nonsensical and inconsequential rhetoric?
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:17 pm
Regarding that party name “republican” – makes me wonder why a group of people would choose a name that indicates they own a tavern, over and over. Unless, of course, they’re proud of the taxes the collect!
pub·li·can /ˈpʌblɪkən/ Show Spelled[puhb-li-kuhn] Show IPA
noun
1. Chiefly British . a person who owns or manages a tavern; the keeper of a pub.
2. Roman History . a person who collected public taxes.
3. any collector of taxes, tolls, tribute, or the like.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:18 pm
“Our President did cut spending.”
$15 Trillion and rising says otherwise.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:18 pm
In November we will have a President that none of us
voted for because we cannot vote for the President, only
for electors who will determine the President.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Brosephus- I didn’t know who Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, Tony Rezko, or any other person tied to Obama was
And the fact he has purposely surrounded himself with known terrorist, marxist/socialist, and crooks did nothing to sway your opinion of him speaks volumes. Then I have to assume your vote of casts based on either the (D) beside his name or skin color.
obama: a Chicago crook, owned by crooks.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
12:19 pm
Normal — “But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!”
That’s a sniper weapon with an absolutely *godawful* range, but IIRC, the Geneva Conventions prohibit the use of large calibers like that against unarmored human targets in the open. As I recall, you can use a 50-cal against a vehicle or structure that enemy troops were known to be *in,* but if they exited said vehicle or structure ran out into the open, you’re prohibited from sustaining fire on them with the ‘fitty.’
Perhaps another veteran can speak more knowledgeably and accurately to that point than I can.
philosopher
February 2nd, 2012
12:21 pm
mm
February 2nd, 2012
12:01 pm
“Everyone’s got to die sometime.”
The cons are scared of death. No sure why, since they are convinced of an afterlife. Maybe they’re not so confident in the beliefs they spout?
Watching the behavior and the utterances of most of them, they don’t seem to be very confident that ANY of Jesus’ teachings are to be followed.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:21 pm
“$15 Trillion and rising says otherwise.”
“cut” does not equal “eliminated”
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:22 pm
I would like to know how you tell the self guided bullet
what it is supposed to hit, as I have trouble telling google what
to find.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
12:22 pm
-“But man to man…a .50 caliber bullet that is self guiding…OMG!!”
Can’t wait until Holder starts selling it to the Mexican drug cartels…
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:23 pm
“In November we will have a President that none of us
voted for because we cannot vote for the President, only
for electors who will determine the President.”
Your teacher finally got around to that I take it.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:24 pm
And the fact he has purposely surrounded himself with known terrorist, marxist/socialist, and crooks did nothing to sway your opinion of him speaks volumes. Then I have to assume your vote of casts based on either the (D) beside his name or skin color.
I honestly your employment isn’t tied to your ability to assume, or else I’ll have to ask for additional taxes to be taken out of my check to pay for you when you lose your job. Up until McCain picked a virtual nobody as his VP choice, he had my vote. As to Obama, I’m just as impressed by him as I was by the previous POTUS, which is nothing to be very impressed about. Obama’s color had nothing to do with any decision to vote or not vote for him, and for you to assume such really speaks to the ignorance held between your ears. I feel ashamed for you just for insinuating such bullsh*t, and I pray for mercy to fall upon your soul in return. Hell, I’ve been voting for White men all my life, so why would I suddenly change that?
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:24 pm
pea thinks he is a dictator.
Wake up pea.
He works with a corrupt congress silly.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:26 pm
“cut” does not equal “eliminated”
Correct. But ‘rising’ SHOULD be changed to ‘falling’.
TaxPayer
February 2nd, 2012
12:26 pm
Thanks to our efforts, as promised in the 2010 elections, our policies have helped create thousands of jobs and we plan to bring these jobs to America soon so our constituency can work for $17/day. Help rid our great nation of those job choking regulations and taxes on the job creators so we can help you help yourselves. You’re welcome. — Cryin’ John Boehner (They’re tears of JOY, I tells ya!)
Whaeema
February 2nd, 2012
12:27 pm
Obama is planning to release five Taliban captured on the battlefield, deemeed dangerous to Quatar.I wonder what that means. Is it the same idea that has him sharing our missle defense secrets with the russians?
Has Obama never learned that weakness and compromising your interests don’t really work in internaltional relations?
Maybe if he could find someone else to apologize to…
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:28 pm
“Our President did cut spending.”
$15 Trillion and rising says otherwise.
And I give you Ezra Klein’s viewpoint on your opinion…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/column-doing-the-math-on-obamas-deficits/2011/08/25/gIQALDBchQ_blog.html
But if you’re a deficit-obsessed voter, the clock doesn’t answer the key question: How much has Obama added to the debt, anyway?
There are two answers: more than $4 trillion, or about $983 billion. The first answer is simple and wrong. The second answer is more complicated but a lot closer to being right.
When Obama took office, the national debt was about $10.5 trillion. Today, it’s about $15.2 trillion. Simple subtraction gets you the answer preferred by most of Obama’s opponents: $4.7 trillion.
But ask yourself: Which of Obama’s policies added $4.7 trillion to the debt? The stimulus? That was just a bit more than $800 billion. TARP? That passed under George W. Bush, and most of it has been repaid.
I’m hoping that you were not trying to push the weight of that $15T solely on Obama. Nobody can turn a supertanker or stop a freight train on a dime. To expect one man to do such is pure tom foolery.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:28 pm
“Correct. But ‘rising’ SHOULD be changed to ‘falling’.”
Maybe, but when Congress turns down a cut in spending in favor of a SMALLER cut in spending you can’t, in all honesty, blame that on the President.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:29 pm
pea,
“President Barack Obama will offer a new plan to reduce the federal deficit by about $3.6 trillion over a decade, almost half of which would come from tax increases, people familiar with the proposal said.”
It was rejected by the gop and so was his budget.
Normal
February 2nd, 2012
12:30 pm
SoCo,
Remember Dr. Gatling and Nobel tried to invent weapons so terrible that it would end all wars…
I’m beginning to believe that, yes, all bullets will end up with this technology…so …maybe…war WILL become so terrible if everybody has a bullet that can’t miss…
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
12:33 pm
If Romney has specific ideas on how that might be accomplished, I have not seen them.
And why, pray tell, should he be different than 99% of all Republicans?
This blog is Neo-con Exhibit Number One in specific-free sloganism.
Given the cowardly criminals in the previous administration, if Americans care about keeping their children alive they would never again vote Republican.
And that their hated bogeyman and supposedly, socialist, uber-liberal, Barack Obama “surged” into Afghanistan and punked them at their own idiotic “strong on defense” national security game is one of the great ironies of his first term…
Granny Godzilla
February 2nd, 2012
12:33 pm
Saul Alinsky?
Who’s his buddy? Who’s his pal!
From Media Matters – (We’ll hear about that, but will we hear the message disputed? Nope.)
Tea Party leader and “the co-founder of Top Conservatives on Twitter” Michael Patrick Leahy has written an entire book based off of Alinsky’s “shocking” work, deftly entitled: Rules for Conservative Radicals: Lessons from Saul Alinsky[!] the Tea Party Movement and the Apostle Paul in the Age of Collaborative Technologies. In his book, “Leahy argues that today’s conservative radical should follow the tactics of Saul Alinsky, but apply the morals and ethics of Martin Luther King.”
And Leahy is not the only conservative poisoned by what right-wing blogger Pamela Geller calls “the mother’s milk of the left.”
Conservative “hero” and Fox News’ favorite investigative journalist James O’Keefe is also a fan. The Los Angeles Times reported that O’Keefe found an “unlikely source of inspiration” in Alinsky and O’Keefe “took to heart” Alinsky’s principle to: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”
Also, on Fox News’ Glenn Beck, David Horowitz advocated for conservatives to follow “what Saul Alinsky argues”—i.e., “shout[ing] things whether they are true or not,” and “stag[ing] a die-in” — in order to “catch the other side off-guard” and win the health care debate.
Alinsky’s “evil” has even reached all the way out to the Heartland, with The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder reporting: “in Kansas City, Missouri, a group of conservative organizers will conduct a most unusual training session. They will teach the “Rules for Radicals’ laid down by the god of community organizing, Saul Alinsky. The idea: learn to recognize the footprints of the enemy.” Similarly, The Washington Independent’s David Weigel has reported that “Alinsky has found a thriving and surprising fan club in the modern conservative movement,” with “many ‘Tea Party’ activists say[ing] they’re cribbing from Alinsky.”
Yes, if Geller and the other bloggers on the right are to be believed, Obama is coming for your children through the vessel of Saul Alinsky. And in Geller’s own words: “Can you imagine if the Republicans attempted such a stunt?” The mind boggles.
my oh my
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:34 pm
Normal
That I remember, and we may be pushing towards that point. I thought that nuclear weapons would bring that about, but it seems that they’ve only squashed major conflicts. I don’t know if I like the idea of every bullet having that technology, but it is laser guided and highly unlikely to be used by most criminal elements here in the US because of that.
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:36 pm
In November we will have 435 Congressmen and 33 Senators
that we all can vote for but no one is talking about them.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:36 pm
“you can’t, in all honesty, blame that on the President.” – I never even mentioned the President to begin with. getalife mentioned him at 12:14. getalife gave him credit for cutting $80 Billion…then said he’s not a dictator so now I’m confused.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:37 pm
Obama Criticized For Living In Lavish Mansion While Most Americans Struggle To Make Ends Meet. 132-Room Estate Includes Personal Chef, 24-Hour Security Detail”
Wait for this to hit the email circuit.
It certainly fits in with a style that says Obama is to be blamed for a rise in the national deficit because of many many programs that were passed before him. 
stands for decibels
February 2nd, 2012
12:37 pm
As VP Biden said, he was an “African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” Substance had nothing to do with it.
I do love these people who mind-read, who just KNOW that I voted for Obama because I thought he looked nice and sounded articulate for a colored fella.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:38 pm
“I’m hoping that you were not trying to push the weight of that $15T solely on Obama.” – Nope not at all, I put the $4 Trillion + on him. Instead of trying to cut, he extended tax cuts, kept us in Iraq, etc. etc.
JKL2
February 2nd, 2012
12:38 pm
Brosephus- Up until McCain picked a virtual nobody as his VP choice, he had my vote.
McCain wasn’t my first pick, but having dealt with obama I knew anything he did would be bad. Palin has her good and bad points like everyone else. Once again, I’ll say Biden got a free pass for the most part, since so much effort was focused on Palin. Obama was “hope and change” and picked one of the oldest fossiles in congress to be his partner. The VP is normally your guy to send to state functions around the world, but Biden is so embarrassing every time he opens his mouth, we can’t even do that.
Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?
RB from Gwinnett
February 2nd, 2012
12:38 pm
Anybody seen a copy of Obama’s capital gains tax increase bill yet? Surely he wasn’t whining for the benefit of his followers?????
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:39 pm
Normal
Re Gatling: That guy’s my hero. Because of him, we now have this puppy to play with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Nug5FZgxuk
*wonder if the cameraman wore a diaper during the filming of that video.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:39 pm
no one is talking about them
Frog, have to disagree with you there. Gov. Walker would disagree. Scott Brown would disagree.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:40 pm
“This blog is Neo-con Exhibit Number One in specific-free sloganism.”
Wow, could you translate that into redneck for me please? As is, it sail;s WAY over my head……….
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:44 pm
Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?
Personally, I’d like to see all current candidates replaced with people who are capable of thinking and acting like grownups. Due to the nature of American politics, I know that I’ll never live long enough to see such a thing take place. Hence, the usual coin toss to choose the lesser of two evils or other methods for selecting who to vote for.
Pea
Check that link I posted for you. I wouldn’t even give Obama credit for the full $4T. Only time will show how much of an effect he has on the overall debt. You can’t charge him for stuff enacted by previous administrations, and his full effect won’t be felt for years after he’s out of office.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
12:45 pm
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
12:36 pm
In November we will have 435 Congressmen and 33 Senators
that we all can vote for but no one is talking about them.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What is to talk about? I live in Georgia. In the foreseeable future the Senators from this state WILL be Republicans. Doesn’t matter how crooked or slimy, (See election ofthe Crook Nathan Deal as Governor), they may be.
More specifically, I live in a HUGE Democratic Congressional District. Hank Johnson WILL be re-elected if he runs. I don’t even know if there has been a Republican on the ballot in the last ten years.
Makes for a short discussion………
Fast and Furious Spending
February 2nd, 2012
12:46 pm
Jay,
I seem to remember candidate Obama 3 years ago answering the question: “what do you do about the Iranian threat?”
“Meet with Achmedinijad with no preconditions.”
Frankly, I like “beat them” much better; it’s understandably vague in February in a Presidential campaign, and unlike Obama’s statement it’s not abysmally stupid.
Has he met with M.A. yet?
Whoops! Another campaign promise broken.
Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood Partner.
February 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
Hey Granny please explain why your President Obama whom you blogg for has given America’s enemy the PLO, Hamas. Hezbullah, and the Muslim Brotherhood billions of taxpayers dollars. Granny these are some of the same people KILLING our soldiers and firing missles into Israel. Obama and Hillary Clinton are doing this thru his State Dpartment without Congressional approval. Obama has pledge another billion dollars of our money to rebuild Egypt. Why? Doesn’t American need to fix it’s own Country without having to fix everybody elses. Why? He has pledge bid money to Libya aswell.
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
JKL2: “Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?”
What a day it is when the conservatives are touting Hillary Clinton as a worthy replacement. Her role in the conservative imagination has done a 180 in just under a decade.
Wonders never cease.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
12:50 pm
brainless ragnar (takes one to know one)
While I respect you son’s service as a naval officer, it is a far cry from the meatgrinder of the front line. All I’m saying to those who want perepetual war; is the price of BLOOD and treasure worth it in afghanistan? A place that really has no more impact on us whatsoever…
Fast and Furious Spending
February 2nd, 2012
12:50 pm
Jay,
“…that became familiar during the Iraqi years…”
Nice use of the passive voice. Yeah, do that Jay, when it’s Obama who’s the guilty one for making things “familiar.”
We’ve got high unemployment that “became familiar” in America. How about that?
Great! Let’s rewrite history for our Obama!
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:51 pm
“I wouldn’t even give Obama credit for the full $4T. ”
and given that funding allocation is given to Congress by the Constitution, the President really bears little to no responsibility for either an increase OR a decrease.
Which is why the Presidential election has littel to no interest for me. I am, always and forever, FAR more insterested in the final make-up of Congress than I will ever be in who ultimately occupies the White House.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
12:53 pm
OiaMBP — “Granny these are some of the same people KILLING our soldiers”
Huh.
I had NO IDEA that “Hamas. Hezbullah, and the Muslim Brotherhood” were “KILLING our soldiers.”
Cite?
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:53 pm
In November we will have 435 Congressmen and 33 Senators
that we all can vote for but no one is talking about them.
Thanks to gerrymandering and such, there’s probably only about 40-60 Reps who really have to worry about anything. Partisanship will take care of most of the Senators as well. Does anybody expect a diehard Blue state to elect a GOP Senator and vice versa?
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:54 pm
“President really bears little to no responsibility”
Then he also bears little to no responsibility for capturing Obama…even though getalife says “Obama got OBL” once a day on here.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
Doggone
No argument from me on that. I agree.
getalife
February 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
pea,
I know you are confused but you are starting to live in the real world and checking facts so you will figure it out.
Jefferson
February 2nd, 2012
12:55 pm
Reckon Mitt learned that in boot camp ? 300 was a good number.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
Ooooh, we have been treated to a special treat.
After being labeled as a waste of time, crass and frumious has deigned to grace us with it’s awesome presence.
Definitely a red-letter day in my diary.
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:56 pm
“Then he also bears little to no responsibility for capturing Obama”
Sorry, no comparison. He bears a LOT of the responsibility…since he approved it. Or do you really think that operation would have been accomplished WITHOUT his approval? Or inspite of his disapproval (if he had chosen that route?)?
Doggone/GA
February 2nd, 2012
12:58 pm
I’m out for a while
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
12:58 pm
“Granny these are some of the same people KILLING our soldiers”
Translation= MUSLIMS. He has a hatred for them.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
As well as for a raft of other reasons, I would not, in ten lifetimes, vote for the fraud from Massachusetts. But this is reason Number One:
“He announced that so the Taliban hears it, the Pakistanis hear it, the Afghan leaders hear it,” Romney said. “Why in the world do you go to the people that you’re fighting with and tell them the day you’re pulling out your troops? It makes absolutely no sense. [Obama’s] naivete is putting in jeopardy the mission of the United States of America and our commitments to freedom. He is wrong. We need new leadership in Washington.”
These simpletons cannot even spell statesmanship and they denigrate leaders who are not rabidly and incessantly pro-war.
But that silver-spoon fed coward is NOT the change we need. All that this newest of the anointed Bush asskissers wants to be is the next great “Crusader”.
Even so, you fools are gonna vote for him anyway. Just like you did for the (W)orst ever. “Hey, ain’t my kids getting killed or maimed, (we come from a LONG line of service avoiders) so why should I care if the toy soldiers and chickenhawks in Washington are already drooling at their collective mouths to invade Iran?”
Mission Accomplished.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
“Sorry, no comparison.”
Figured that’s what you would say.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
12:59 pm
Obama captured Obama? You may want to check that Pea.
However, I certainly think that if you are going to demand that Obama be responsible for any rise in the deficit from the day he takes office, you certainly seem very inconsistent in suggesting that he has no responsiblity for the killing of OBL. He certainly had more input and leadership involved in deciding to approve a military plan than the deficit.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:00 pm
Joe Husseinn Obama, Have you served? I have and these muslim simeballs are KILLING my brothers and sisters in uniform. So if you don’t know what you’re talking about than just be quiet and keep drinking your obamajuice boy.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Joe Cool, I didn’t know you worked for Obama’s Acorn Criminal Organization. Also I would happly lock and load again to fight these muslim simeballs.
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:04 pm
Great, now strap up and catch the next thing to Afghanistan. Send us a postcard.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:06 pm
Granny, What silent. You happly open you big mouth at other bloggers but you CAN’T answer the questions I gave you. Come on you use to work for the DNC. And we all know how loud and stupid they are.
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:07 pm
Joe Hussien Obama, Lets go BOY.
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
1:07 pm
tick, tick, tick…..
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:08 pm
“Obama captured Obama? You may want to check that Pea.”
Thanks, grammar nerd.
“However, I certainly think that if you are going to demand that Obama be responsible for any rise in the deficit from the day he takes office, you certainly seem very inconsisten”
I’m being just as (in)consistent as Doggone and others.
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
1:08 pm
And we all know how…
This crap again?
Who exactly was it that granted you the authority to speak for “all”?
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
The Islamist are our Enemy. They call for the destruction of America all the time people. Islam means submission in their own language.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
I have and these muslim simeballs are KILLING my brothers and sisters in uniform
Don’t know what they are not teaching this small contingency of the military that somehow thinks that everyone in uniform is their brother and sister until they become civilians and then they can show pure contempt and disdain for civilians and call them names as if they are something lesser (sort of like F Troop testosterone calling others candy arses on a nameless blog being the big shots that they are) but frankly if you want the support of the civilians who make sacrifices also so that your families are provided for and so that you are cared for because of your sacrifice and service, perhaps you need to work on comprehension of mutual respect and some humility in comprehending that in the long run, you are a civilian with no special rights to certain opinions, vote or superior rights. You bring shame on yourself and the other fine military families who disagree with you and understand that as a country we all make sacrifies.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
Rodney says, “can’t we all just get along?”
Give the scum a gun and make the bugger fight
February 2nd, 2012
1:10 pm
..just be sure to have deserters shot on sight / If he dies we’ll send a medal to his wife hahahahahaha!
And a vote for Romney is a vote for American virtue! Hahahaha.
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
O = MBP — “Joe Husseinn Obama, Have you served?”
Yeah, I’m a disabled Army veteran. So you can take a flying leap, tough guy.
“I have and these muslim simeballs are KILLING my brothers and sisters in uniform. So if you don’t know what you’re talking about than just be quiet and keep drinking your obamajuice boy.”
I know what I’m talking about, so I’d appreciate a direct answer to my query, Cowboy, not some bluff and bluster bulldada so you can do the cowardly dodge out of answering a polite question.
You said “Hamas. Hezbullah, and the Muslim Brotherhood” were “KILLING our soldiers.” I’d like to see some hard evidence that those groups are involved in that, not the say-so of some no-name blowhard on an internet message board.
Brosephus
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
“We can stay up late, swapping manly stories, and in the morning, I’m making waffles!”
–Thomas Jefferson
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
Kamchak, Welcome back.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:11 pm
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner = TROLL
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
Otherwise, his rhetoric comes across as macho blather…
Yeah, and that sure strikes me as very unusual for neo-cons. /sarc/
Joe Hussein Mama
February 2nd, 2012
1:12 pm
O = MBP — “Joe Hussien Obama, Lets go BOY.”
We’re on, SONNY.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
February 2nd, 2012
1:13 pm
Well, howdy adoring fans, fellow bloggers, and my enemas.
Mitt was probly in a bad mood after he tried to wake up his wife and she told him to leave her alone and she was going to have a headache for the next couple years. It’s just natural he’d take it out on this Panetta and Obama.
Let me know if you’ve got any other questions. I like sharing my vast store of Knowledge.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:13 pm
Thanks, grammar nerd.
Oy vey…. Can they never admit that perhaps they made a mistake. Obama got Osama NOT Obama. That’s just wrong, not using your brain nerd.
AmVet - Just say no to the War Pigs.
February 2nd, 2012
1:15 pm
DON’T FEED THE TROLLS
Hear, hear, Peadawg.
How many times will a new and unimproved Harry Callahan/George W/whodat/WoW/Draino/NiF clown show up under yet another name, puke up the same stupidity as last time and think people will actually believe he is somebody new?
Good times in Delusionland…
Kamchak
February 2nd, 2012
1:16 pm
Kamchak, Welcome back.
I haven’t been away.
I do however suspect that it’s you that have been gone from here.
Perhaps numerous times?
Banned under a plethora of nom-de-blogs?
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
Redneck Convert (R–and proud of it)
Bye bye, drive-by, see you next time.
Peadawg
February 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
“Obama got Osama NOT Obama.”
Yes, grammar nerd. And you’re absolutely f’ing perfect, correct? No? Then STFU.
Fred
February 2nd, 2012
1:17 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
February 2nd, 2012
12:49 pm
JKL2: “Could we at least get Hillary to replace Biden if nothing else?”
What a day it is when the conservatives are touting Hillary Clinton as a worthy replacement. Her role in the conservative imagination has done a 180 in just under a decade.
Wonders never cease.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I know I have done a 180 on her. (and it’s more than a decade since she served her first term as President lol). I really dispised that woman and thought she was dangerous. but I also think that in her first term as President she learned that you have to compromise and negotiate with people, you can’t just ram everything down their throats (like Pelosi did with Obama care). If it had been Hitlery running against McSame instead of Obama I would have voted for her. Hell, I would vote for her over Obama right now……..
barking frog
February 2nd, 2012
1:18 pm
clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here i am
stuck in the middle…
Obama = Muslim Brotherhood Partner
February 2nd, 2012
1:18 pm
Keep, You commpletely got my blogg wrong. I was addressing another blogger who doesn’t know what they saying. As for caring for my family while I was over there you didn’t do $hit for my family are me. I have and always will take care of my family and don’t need some Obama a$$ kisser to care for us. You can take this despicable poor excuse of a president and put him where the sun doesn’t shine.
Mick
February 2nd, 2012
1:19 pm
“I move around a lot, not because I’m looking for anything really, but ’cause I’m getting away from things that get bad if I stay.”
-Thomas Jefferson
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
February 2nd, 2012
1:21 pm
LOL at the TROLL….call 911 and tell them how you REALLY feel Troll.
Bruno
February 2nd, 2012
1:22 pm
For PB–Looking forward to tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IfmGt–xqM
Keep Up the Good Fight!
February 2nd, 2012
1:26 pm
Your post of stupidity does not necessitate further response on my part.