Even Rasmussen now has Obama surging

Can’t wait until it’s all over and obama is re-elected with a democratic house and senate…

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okay, it’s a long time between 1 Feb and the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November …

but …

YAY!!!

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Interesting that nowhere in the graph is the overwhelming dissatisfaction that we hear so much about.

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Granny G.

When I was in Kentucky for my First Cousin/Big brothers funeral, I saw the same thing. The land of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Mitch McConnell. My relatives had no other opinion than to say no matter who ended up being the GOP candidate, they would vote for him just to get the Kenyan out. It was very hard for me just to sit there and bite my tongue, but I was there for a wonderful man and
it was not the time for “debate”. I love my relatives, but they are truly ignorant of the President.

…but when I go back this Spring, I’ll be a little more informative…

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“A slowly improving economy, a new willingness by Obama to confront congressional Republicans, the fratricide of the Republican presidential primary and his commitment to a more populist economic message.”

Jay’s 1 for 4. The split among Republicans and the acrimony between the candidates particularly now between Gingrich and Romney. There were too many candidates and too many debates. That has helped Obama’s approval that has been negative throughout last year into 012. The left should enjoy it now because Obama will be back in negative territory soon.

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And whatever happens in November, the polling data cast an interesting light on claims posted here often by conservatives that “everybody hates Obama” and “even Mickey Mouse could beat” him.

Well, no they don’t and no he couldn’t.

OWNED

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What happened to the 70% approval rating he had in the beginning? Squandered it by handing health care over to Pelosi, wasting billions on misdirected stimulus, and blaming all his problems on the other guy?

I still think he will win the general election but I have my doubts that he will win by enough to bring along a House of Rep majority or a Super Majority in the Senate.

And it’s a long time until Nov. What’s the old saying about counting your chickens?

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Colbert is a HOOT!

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Well Finn, go ahead and enjoy your champagne now, then.

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godless: What happened to the 70% approval rating he had in the beginning? Squandered it by handing health care over to Pelosi, wasting billions on misdirected stimulus, and blaming all his problems on the other guy?

That sounds so awful. It’s amazing that only 20% of the approval rating is due to those dire evil things.

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NORM!

Similar situtation last year here – Standing beside an Aunt in laws
open grave, a cousin in law decides to go off on Obama the socialist.
What an embarrassment for the whole family.

I mean they really have no idea what a socialist is and they have no idea who Bill Sammon is and what he started – but like those who whine loudest about stuff being forced down their throats – they swallowed that big stinkin’ lie whole.

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godless: I still think he will win the general election but I have my doubts that he will win by enough to bring along a House of Rep majority or a Super Majority in the Senate.

I agree with this, but I think the House majority is a tossup, and super majority is impossible for either party for 2012.

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There’s a lot of time between now and November when right-thinking Americans will realize that they will have a choice between a “man” who adheres to the expansion of the welfare state and a true American who is dedicated to freedom, choice, family and Judeo-Christian teachings. The choice will be that simple and on the morning after of Election Day, WE THE PEOPLE will be pleasantly surprised that a rightful Republican man just won the White House along with the House and Senate solidly going to a Republican majority. Where is Barack Obama’s record? Answer: Hussein Obama does not have much of a record. “He” had his chance and “he” blew it, big time.
Amen,
Bill

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Where is Barack Obama’s record?

I hear it’s a special edition EP with a cover of Al Green’s “Let’s Stay Together”

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Democrats may not need to concentrate on the presidential race so they can spend the majority of their time on the Senate and House races that we can turn.

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It’s easy to talk yourself into that kind of belief, particularly if you live in deeply red areas of a pretty red state such as Georgia, where everyone that you see and know agrees with you and those who don’t agree just stay silent. That tendency can be compounded if you set up virtual residence within the right-wing echo chamber, where the anti-Obama drumbeat sounds 24 hours a day.

Couldn’t have said it better myself, Jay. In other words, theirs is an alternate universe.

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a true American

yawn

I sure am glad I won’t be around Orvis’ house the day after election day. Gonna be some deep deep depression going down.

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@Adam
I like that because it shows what a clown that this community organizer is all about and it’s beyond sad.

The true fact is that Hussein Obama worked closely with his union buddies to bail out a failing business model. The Founding Fathers never intended for government to pick winners and losers, pure and simple. Hussein Obama weakened our military. Hussein Obama created a massive illegal health care plan. Hussein Obama increased our deficits through the expansion of programs that do not benefit anyone! Hussein Obama increased regulation! Hussein Obama expanded his own horrific jobless rate!

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT OUR OWN MISERY INDEX. WE ARE IN THE MALAISE DAYS OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND WE NEED TO WAKE UP, PEOPLE! IT’S 1980 ALL OVER AGAIN AND WE WILL CORRECT OUR MASSIVE FOUR-YEAR ERROR!

GOOD NIGHT!

Amen,
Bill

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Assume, for the sake of argument, that Obama carries 60% of California – which I think likely – and that the single state is inflating his poll numbers. Will he hold even 50% anywhere else? We do not elect by direct popular vote, we elect by states. I think Fearless Leader continues to trail in the “battleground” states.

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obama is re-elected with a democratic house and senate…

I actually think the house might be easier for the Dems to re-take, than it will be for Dems to retain control of the Senate, myself.

As for the Presidency, kind of crazy to bet this far out, although I probably check the Intrade pages (compulsively? eh, maybe!) at least a couple of times per week.

Jay misleads a bit, though–Obama’s Intrade numbers haven’t been all that volatile over the past few months. Mitt’s, on the other hand — perhaps as expected, for a not-yet-nominee, still in a primary battle? — have seen some pretty serious swings.

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Republicans don’t campaign against the real opponent, they campaign against an imagined opponent.

Straw men.

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An interesting side note about a faction of the deluded is the birthers who were posting all weekend, convinced without logic or reason that they have succeed in removing Obama from the Georgia ticket and repeatedly offering arguments of diversions and circular logic without fact. Creating titles for themselves and delusional “expertise” and convinced that Obama is “evil”. Reality is elusive for this group and even when they ultimately fail, it will not be the result of anything they have done, it will be because of the conspiracy and the “deception” of the American people.

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Ok, Granny. I’ll stop…

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Barack Hussein Obama and his rabid attack dog Eric Holder are up to their eyeballs in a sinister scheme to implement a hostile takeover of our Republic. Obamacare is the vehicle they are using. Remember Nancy Pelosi saying, “We Got To Pass It To Know What’s In It”. Well, here’s what’s in it! Obamacare is funding “Obama’s Personal Civilian Army” called the “Ready Reserve Corps”. It is authorized in section 203 & section 5210 on page 1312 in the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA)” or “OBAMACARE”. Remember, during his campaign, Obama called for his personal Million Man civilian army to be loyal only to him. Obama also stated that his personal civilian army should be more powerful than our US Military. There is a clip of Obama saying these very words in the video. Watch the idiots applauding as Obama says this. The video also shows some of Obama’s army members expressing their unwavering loyalty to the wanna be Hitler. Obama is right now gutting our military and at the same time beefing up his personal thug army. Watch This Short Video And Be Informed Of What The Nazi In The White House Has Planned For You! Please Spread The Word to our fellow Patriots! ALL OF THEM!

“Obama’s Personal Army”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htw7shWR3oU

Please Sign The Petition To Force The Repeal Of Obamacare & call your elected reps, Then Pass The Site On To EVERYONE That You Know.

https://repealhealthcareact.org/invest.aspx

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I almost want to start creating prayers to Obama just to see conservative heads explode and go “SEE! SEE! THEY DO WORSHIP HIM!” I could even make a whole satirical site based on this premise like Bill Orvis White.

It won’t stop the nutballs from thinking people DO worship him, perhaps mostly because the deification of Presidents is in the conservative DNA and they just can’t fathom why other people don’t think like that.

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we can’t relect obarma. he gonna take our guns.

and he is unconstitutional. because he ain’t even from this country.

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Finn….thanks

We need 25 seats in the house….and we might just get ‘em.

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Eli Jones wins the propeller-head prize!

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the AM radio provocateurs, limbaugh, hannity, boortz, levine…. are praying he gets reelected. he is better for their ratings.

and the sheep who listen to them actually thing they are hoping obama loses. fools.

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Earth to Eli.

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…sinister scheme to implement a hostile takeover of our Republic.

Exhibit Number One in the P*ss in Your Pants campaign strategy.

And added bonus for the Hitler comparison. (insert cuckoo clock sound here.)

I”M A REPUBLICAN AND I’M SO AFRAID!

Is it any wonder this gang is controlled by a bunch of gutless service-avoiders and conspiracy (birther) nutjobs?

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Seems like the GOP is going the same way the Dems did in 2004. Seems like, regardless of which candidate ends up as the nominee, there will be a faction that does not like the outcome. It appears that the “true conservatives” don’t want to back Romney, and the money changers don’t wanna back Gingrich. Lost in all of this is the one who would be the “true conservative”, Santorum. It seems that the GOP is on the losing side of a “Heads, I win. Tails, you lose” coin flip.

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Jay again your analysis is wrong

O’s unpopularity peaked during the debt ceiling negotiation

We lost our AAA CREDIT RATING for gods sake

America is back asleep as the credit limit got raised by a trillion and Obama continues to rack up debt like it’s the best thing since sliced bread

When the tax cuts expire, when the debt ceiling expires again, they will be reawakened, though it will be too late

O is a crummy president. Period

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Greetings all.

Did I miss anything?

Thought not.

SOS.

Off to the golf course……this living off my 15% tax rated income hasn’t been so bad.

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“Seems like, regardless of which candidate ends up as the nominee, there will be a faction that does not like the outcome”

When has that ever NOT been true?

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America is under the illusion things are getting better

Unfortunately they’re not

Like a person with a reverse mortgage, you’re only doing ok if you’re about to die

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Dear Mick @ 8:46. I can already hear Sen Maj Leader Mitch McConnell saying in 2014 that the Obama plan – hutting the military – is responsible for the deaths of American military.

Have any leftists every apologized for those many reprehensible leftist behaviors during the Bush administration? Not even on his world wide apology tour.

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the best thing since sliced bread

Pastrami, mustard, swiss cheese, and saur kraut.

FACT!

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“America is under the illusion things are getting better”

In some ways they are and in some way they aren’t. Unemployment is starting to slowly go down. But out debt is STILL rising and nothing is being done to stop it. People are still struggling.

Gas possibly being $4+ a gallon will slow things back down though (whether or not it’s Obama fault. Getting the blame and the credit whether or not it’s justified comes with the territory.)…just in time for November.

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and are immune to reality.

Is there a reality vaccination now? Medicine is soooo cool!!

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America is under the illusion things are getting better

Unfortunately they’re not

So, they are NOT under an illusion. I agree.

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ragnar

I don’t take you very seriously, world apology tour? No such thing exists except in your conned mind. I think a president bragging to the world to “bring em on”, caused more death and dismemberment than any so called apologist – maybe he should apologize for that witless comment…

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Oh and JKL2, I do deserve a “keep up” on that.

I’ll try to make time to pay more attention to this kind of foolishness.

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Are “Bill Orvis Whites” post real or are they just satire like “Rednecks”? Just wondering.

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HypeWriter.

Good one, TaxPayer.

America is under the illusion things are getting better

Quit projecting and start taking responsibility for you own failures. LOL…

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Trotsky might look at things this way:

Corporate sellout Obama is merely doing more of what W did

Destroying the social safety net by over feeding the beast

When the debt bill comes due, all those safety net things people like are going to disappear

*poof!*

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Thank God Florida is not like the rest of the Southern bigots states, Obama has a chance there, and the people of Florida see thru the bigot of Newt, and his immoral charcter, where the bible thumping hypocrites of Ga and Sc and the other hypocrites southerners close their eyes.

Georgia like many of the southern states, except Florida, votes against their interest, Newt will not be a hit in the North or the West nobody is buying that racist tone but the low educated southener in Georgia who is living in the trailers down in south Georgia, Obama will not win in the south, because of the narrow minded bigots of the south, no one expect much from those southern states, this is why the south has the highest poverty rate because of the stupid southern voter”””

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“The real question is, are there any leftists running for president this time?”

I would say YES.

Gingrich, Romney, Santorum and Obama are all leftist and they are all running for president.

The big question is why are no conservatives running.

Note: I do not count Ron Paul. He is not running for president, he is running to promote an idea.

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its gonna be alot like the last few elections, very close, and 4 years of trying to destroy whoever wins…

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Yea, 4 more years of economic incompetence and baby killing with reckless impunity. So much to be joyful for.

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So the liberals are dancing in the streets, convinced that their Messiah is going to get another 4 years. If you are even a little convinced about how he has this country on a collision course with reality, just think what he has in mind for us in a second term with no constraints on re-election prospects. Another 5T in debt? More people on the government dole? No more free market economy? Immigration influx unchecked? Putting the quash on right to work states? More government regulation chasing away jobs? Keep in mind, the unemployment numbers have not changed significantly and although the national average is just above 8%, many states, ie SC still are in the double digits. Also keep in mind that only 26% of the electorate feels that the country is headed in the right direction…… 74% do not. There are not that many Republicans in the whole country.
The media will be forced to air much of the Republican criticism of the Bozo gang when the real fireworks starts. When the video tapes start surfacing about all the lies that this clown has fostered on the American people, he will look like a fool. He can’t defend them…. they are just lies and he has been the great liar… out there for all to see. We still don’t have a good picture of the independents and where they stand. That will tell the tale.
BTW, liberals, I can see why you are ecstatic about these numbers. You haven’t had much to cheer about lately. But it’s not in the can yet.

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Yea, 4 more years of economic incompetence and baby killing with reckless impunity. So much to be joyful for.

You could always quit using birth control.

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Romney has a balanced budget amendment as part of his plan

That’s pretty conservative

It will be incumbent upon conservatives to hold his feet to the fire on that promise though

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” A slowly improving economy” I thought GDP just regressed to almost half of 2010’s increase???

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@kayaker 71

That’s President Messiah to you sir.

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AmVet: Sometimes I wish I could get my hands on whatever it is that they are using.

Life would be so much simpler.

It’s that darn Flouride in the water

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The Messiah will obviously carry Massachusetts and DC also, maybe Maryland, and the crooked government of Washington

Rags, he’s running even in swing states at the moment.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72134.html

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So the liberals are dancing in the streets, convinced that their Messiah is going to get another 4 years.

Steve @ 9:06, with apparently serious posts like this one, I can see why Bill Orvis’ satire goes unrecognized.

Anyhow…those on the fainting couch please move over, kayaker is here for his morning hysterics. I wonder what forwarded silly e-mail he’ll share today? Ah, the anticipation.

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Newt’s divorce lawyer,

He’s not my president, my friend. He might be a Messiah to you but he is still just a dumb assed Chicago community organizer who is on a short fuse.

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ragnar

Brilliant ploy?? Have you seen your neurologist lately? I’m so glad that you think life is so worthless, what after over 4,000 US dead, 30,000 serioulsy wounded, you know missing limbs, bodies blown up, then add anywhere from 100k to over 900k dead or missing innocent iraqi’s, yes that quite the brilliant ploy…

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kayaker: who is on a short fuse.

This is called PROJECTION

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yaker

I’ll take president obama over your mittsiah any day of the week…

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He’s not my president, my friend.

Looks like someone’s renounced their citizenship.

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k71

you hate has reached a new level of incandescence.

how very sad for you and yours.

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“I think that amount is perfectly acceptable to have saved a good portion of our domestic manufacturing base, don’t you?

Perhaps you’d rather work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, inside of a city making $22 per day and never being allowed to leave? Because the people you support would certainly make that possible.”

No, no amount is justifiable for a bailout. That’s why we have bankruptcy laws, but apparently they serve no purpose in your eyes. And Adam, no one would be working in the situation you described if they would have been allowed to go through the bankruptcy cycle.

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“Looks like someone’s renounced their citizenship”

If you formally renounce your US citizenship, but you continue to live here…does that mean you are here illegally?

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Eli,

“It is authorized in section 203 & section 5210 on page 1312 in the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act”

Please go read the bill you are referring to and then slap yourself really hard when you find there is no section 5210.

Yes, the republican party has to lie to these halfwit voters they call their base. Otherwise, they might see through the BS and see what the republican party is actually doing to them.

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President Obama is your president, kayaker 71, for so long as he is sworn in as such. Feel free to renounce your U.S. citizenship if you don’t like it though.

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No, no amount is justifiable for a bailout. That’s why we have bankruptcy laws, but apparently they serve no purpose in your eyes.

You really need to read better material. It wasn’t a “bailout”, it was “debtor in possession” financing, just like a real bankruptcy… because it was a real bankruptcy. With bankruptcy judges and everything.

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Talkign Head: No, no amount is justifiable for a bailout. That’s why we have bankruptcy laws, but apparently they serve no purpose in your eyes. And Adam, no one would be working in the situation you described if they would have been allowed to go through the bankruptcy cycle.

First of all, completely disagree with you. The bailout LOAN worked, bounced the industry back way faster than a bankruptcy would have, with far less disruption to our economy than would have ensued under your idea of a plan. Bankruptcy could easily have created a domino pattern of failing manufacturing, and with the banks tightening their rules on lending who knows how long it would take to get back, if ever. We may have seen even those jobs shipped overseas, in which case YES, people would be working under those conditions, just not here in the U.S.

And trust me, if we had allowed even those jobs to get sold to the lowest bidder, we would be seriously looking at making our own labor laws lax, much more so than the True Messiah Mitch Daniels has been pushing.

There is a cost associated with doing the right thing. Everyone must face, eventually, a choice between what is right and what is easy.

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ragnar danneskjold

January 31st, 2012
8:28 am

As an Obama supporter, we love it when you guys call him King, The One, Messiah, and any other name of the sort. Shows the level of distaste you have for him, therefore as Dems. we rally behind that and the more I can have you hate him, the more I LOVE IT.

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Talking Head

Speaking of Bankruptcy Laws…The number 1 reason people file BR is medical debts. Guess who changed the BR laws to made medical debts non dischargeable… George W Bush.
Same with student loans…
Now, tell me, whose side is Bush on…the citizens…or corporations.
BTW, that Obamacare is also to help you and I, so why is it that the GOP is opposed to it. I’ll let you fill in the answer.

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“I will soon be gone”

And the people cheered.

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“Romney has a balanced budget amendment as part of his plan”

Which Romney….

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General Motors went into Bankruptcy. The government
assisted in expediting the process and loaned them money coming
out. The only thing different from thousands of other bankruptcies
was the speed arranged for the process.

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Eli, you forgot the secret evil handshake.

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I believe the wingnuts are becoming unhinged because they are realizing they are not going to win the WH this year.

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mm: I believe the wingnuts are becoming unhinged because they are realizing they are not going to win the WH this year.

I think they’re just jealous of Obama’s WEALTH

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“First of all, completely disagree with you. The bailout LOAN worked, bounced the industry back way faster than a bankruptcy would have, with far less disruption to our economy than would have ensued under your idea of a plan. Bankruptcy could easily have created a domino pattern of failing manufacturing, and with the banks tightening their rules on lending who knows how long it would take to get back, if ever. We may have seen even those jobs shipped overseas, in which case YES, people would be working under those conditions, just not here in the U.S.”

Blah, blah, blah. No basis for any of your opinion except fiction. How can you even compare what would have happened? We will never know and you blabber on about an alternative plan as if it actually took place! The ‘bailout Loan’ as you put it did not work. We’ve lost at least $14 billion by going down that road (which was essentially fascism) and no major changes to the structure of the company were made.

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Dear Joe @ 9:45, I am pleased to accommodate your need. Assuredly we will continue to use the fawning language of the left to describe Chauncey, even if you do not get the joke.

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Dear Mick @ 9:52, remind us, who controlled the senate from Jan 2001 – Jan 2003?

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We’ve lost at least $14 billion by going down that road (which was essentially fascism)

Excuse me? Fascism? You guys really need to learn what words mean.

And if your only argument against me is “We will never know what would have happened” then fine, let me tell you what DID happen thanks to the plan that DID take place:

1) GM is the #1 auto maker in the world (yes the loan DID work)
2) GM retooled and changed their strategy to make them viable for years to come (yes they DID change their structure)
3) First viable electric/gas hybrid to be taken seriously, despite old geezers sitting on their porch wishing for “the good ol days.”

$14 Billion, especially compared to other HUGE AND ONGOING expenditures by the previous administration, is acceptable.

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CONs, Dems have a sick sense of humor, therefore names like KING Obama, Messiah, etc, we embellish it and endorse it at the cost of pi$$ing in ya’lls face. To you guys, you say it to be negative, to Dems, we embrace it jokingly because we know it eats at ya’lls skin. And as long as you all feel the need to call him those names, we’ll oblige you and call him them too as was head to the voting booth.

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$14Billion?

Chump change!

At least compared to the $3Trillion of other people’s money that the banksters made disappear overnight.

OK, gotta go and do my part to keep those plutocrats comfy.

Hi ho, hi ho, it’s off to work I go…

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R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 9:45, I am pleased to accommodate your need.”

Then proceed. Specify where that function is detailed in the Constitution, please.

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ragnar

Good point, the dems had the senate (barely) but which party is the titan kings of filibuster? Plus, even though the senate is strong, the house holds a lot of important cards in the legislative game, witness the house today, many of those idiots wanted a default much to the chagrin of their senate counter parts…

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ragnar

You conned are so quick to put other peoples lives into the meat grinder while you sit home and pontificate, pathetic…

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“Messiah” works for me. Crazy Baptist preachers have been telling us one is coming and I never believed them. Now I can be an atheist and saved at the same time.

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Mary Elizabeth, 10:01, I especially agree that both parties
should cease demonizing the other and point out the
difference in philosophy and where that philosophy may
lead.

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In CON world, they hang with CONs, watch CON TV (FOX), listen to CON talk radio, yet forget that there is another world outside of their lil fox hole they call home. Dems dont expect to win the South, but we will work and contribute as much as we can to help even the odds.

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What will be Mitch McConnell’s single most important goal when Obama is reelected?

Legalizing assisted suicide

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Dear quick work @ 10:07, hopefully something democrats have not done since taking the Senate, “pass a budget.”

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ragnar: Dear quick work @ 10:07, hopefully something democrats have not done since taking the Senate, “pass a budget.”

So you finally admit that the Republicans have obstructed even THAT?

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Jay- Case in point: Even after Obama produces the long-sought official, stamped long form of his birth certificate, the birthers still live.

I’ll raise you one “truther” and call it a tie. Both sides have their share of idiots. Kind of like the story I read this morning of a man suing an estate from prison for the “pain and suffering” caused by the vehicular manslaughter accident he created. You can’t fix stupid.

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And whatever happens in November, the polling data cast an interesting light on claims posted here often by conservatives that “everybody hates Obama”

And the 13th post begins: “Ahh…the anoited one is everyones hero..”

Why does it have to be, “everyone”?

Does it always have to be the ultimate in extreme?

Jay’s piece started out with the number 51%.

If Jay was trying to say “everyone” the number would’ve been 100%

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R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:00, I am baffled by the request – are you making some allusion to the 1st Amendment?”

I’m not surprised that you’re feigning bafflement, given your lame attempt to dodge the question. Please pay closer attention.

You said: “The Ragnar perspective is that “bring it on” suckered half of the world’s terrorists into a small area, Iraq, allowing the US military to do God’s work”

To which I replied: “Please detail where in the Constitution this ‘doing god’s work’ thing is detailed as an essential function of government. A Libertarian like yourself should have no problem citing chapter and verse.”

Proceed, please. Specify the portion of the Constitution that explains that ‘doing god’s work’ is an essential function of government.

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JKL2: Both sides have their share of idiots

Excuses, excuses. You’ll find hundreds of birthers out on right wing blog sides for every one truther you find on a liberal one. It is so dishonest to create an equivalence here. Only the truthers took the truthers seriously, but many many people thought Obama wasn’t born here when Fox News took it up and lended it legitimacy it didn’t deserve. No “liberal media” did the same with truthers. There’s no comparison to be made here.

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Adam,

You are so blinded by your ideology, you will make excuses for anything. All of the bailouts (both Bush and Obama) were indicative of crony capitalism and fascism bottom line. That’s not the road I want this country to go down, you may not either but you do nor say anything to make me think otherwise.

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Talking Head: Crony Capitalism perhaps, but I still think fascism is not accurate. And if you don’t want corny capitalism or fascism, why do you support Republicans? They embody both a lot more closely than your ridiculous GM analogy. But your ideology (again with you projecting your failings onto me) won’t let you see that, even after skimming (no, don’t lie and say you read the whole thing) that wikipedia article.

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**leftists magnify peace and are always willing to surrender, and disparage freedom which arises only from victory. Conservatives magnify freedom with arises only from victory, and disparage the peace that arises from surrender.**

Do you actually read what you write? Generalizations such as the above prove you live in the theater of the absurd, good grief…

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“What was it you were looking for
that took your life that night
They said they found my high school ring
clutched in your fingers tight”
– Thomas Jefferson

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If Obama wins it is a testament to all the freeloaders and whiners we have in this country, who turn a blind eye to his performance, and worse, his ambitions for this country to become socialist.

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All of the bailouts (both Bush and Obama) were indicative of crony capitalism and fascism bottom line.

The bailout of the banks was definitely “crony capitalism”, but given the tongue-lashing that the rest of the world’s bankers gave the Bush team for letting Lehman go bye-bye, it was almost a reasonable response. Letting their bondholders get 100 cents on the dollar was stupid and doing it without much controls in place was typical Bush team work. Obama’s team corrected as much as they could once they got their hands around the problem.

GM was not a “bailout”, but a bankruptcy with two governments providing “debtor in possession” financing since no one else was willing to step forward — this happened in spring 2009, when the credit markets froze solid for a while — and a vibrant manufacturing base is in our national best interest, so — again — it was a reasonable response to a bad situation.

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That Obama’s favorables would trend up while Repubicans bash each other and air their dirty laundry is not surprising. He also got a bump from the hostage rescue. Other explanations are wishful thinking as are thoughts of him winning in November.

There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.” Of course our beloved AJC would not be contributing to the bias.

David Brooks writes today of a book by Charles Murray that disagrees with the reasons for the economic divide. It boils down to character, work ethic and personal responsibility. Not to Capitalism or those old ugly corporations.

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@ harvey

January 31st, 2012
10:23 am

If Obama wins it is a testament to all the freeloaders and whiners we have in this country, who turn a blind eye to his performance, and worse, his ambitions for this country to become socialist.

Whiners, food stamp President, freeloaders, socialist…..blah blah blah.

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Jack

January 31st, 2012
10:25 am

Wake up JACK….get out into the WORLD. There are more ppl than just the ones in your circle.

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Jack: No one is going to vote for Obama unless they are expecting some kind of handout.

Interesting change from “No one is promising to vote for Obama.”

BTW, I promise to vote for Obama, and will accept no government handouts. I’m also cutting a check to the Treasury, and a dollar for dollar match to the inauguration countdown person’s $100 contribution to my favorite charity when Obama wins.

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“Talking Head: Crony Capitalism perhaps, but I still think fascism is not accurate. And if you don’t want corny capitalism or fascism, why do you support Republicans? They embody both a lot more closely than your ridiculous GM analogy. But your ideology (again with you projecting your failings onto me) won’t let you see that, even after skimming (no, don’t lie and say you read the whole thing) that wikipedia article.”

My ideology is that of America, put into a label Libertarian (which is the furthest away from fascism). Both Dems and Repubs are guilty of cronyism or fascism. By the way, if you READ and not SKIM that wikipedia article, you may find some of the very things you’ve said and support fall into that mentality, fyi.

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“First you claim it’s cronyism, then you claim it’s fascism, but you can’t seem to make up your mind which term to sling when.”

What’s the difference, really (in terms of the economy)? The government picks winners and losers in the end.

Not for me.

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Just shows that the 2008 election and the current left wing slant of the polls you use know how to play to the leftist, anti USA, brin dead that are ALLOWED to vote! If he is lucky enough, or, if the democraps can steal enough votes, or, vote many times, or, dead cast ballots, and, left wing nits maintain control of the Senate, THE COUNTRY IS DOOMED TO SOCIALIST FAILURE IN THE FUTURE!! You want examples? GREECE, ITALY, SPAIN AND ALL THE OTHER EURO SOCIALIST COUNTRIES!

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Talking Head: you may find some of the very things you’ve said and support fall into that mentality, fyi.

I am aware that comparisons can be made just as much as they can be made to at least 2 other buzz word blanket labels. I am no more a fascist than a socialist than a communist when it comes to trying to categorize all of what I support.

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‘Forward, the Light Brigade!’
Was there a man dismay’d ?
Not tho’ the soldier knew
Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley’d & thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

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Obummer sure has a lot to be proud of doesn’t he? Like putting 14 million more Americans on foodstamps, adding $4-5 trillion in new debt, 3 millions fewer Americans working since he took office.

The guy has nothing to run on. That’s why he’s playing the wealth envy card every chance he gets. If you ever get a job from a homeless person be sure to let me know.

The sad thing is he probably will get re-elected thanks to the uninformed, uneducated masses who believe anything they hear without question. The media is behind Obama no matter what. You almost have to go out of your way to hear the truth and get accurate information these days. It make me sick

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Obummer sure has a lot to be proud of doesn’t he?

As does Mint RawMoney
Newtmare GinGrinch
Rick Sanitorium

etc etc

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barking frog, 10:05

I agree that neither party should be “demonized.” However, I must state truth as I see it. If others perceive my views as “demonizing,” I cannot be in control of their perceptions.

Let me be more specific. Yesterday, I wrote that a major reason Republicans appear to have a dearth of quality candidates is because their party, imo, lacks a “larger spiritual vision.” Some will have misunderstood what I meant by “larger spiritual vision,” but I cannot help their perceptions. My next sentence alluded to what I meant by those words because I connected “larger spiritual vision” to a vision of “egalitarianism.”

I believe that one “stark difference” in worldviews between the two political parties is the contrast between a vertical (hierarchial) vision of others, i.e., “CEOs are more worthy because they have more (choose your descriptive noun) than common workers,” and a lateral (egalitarian) vision of others, i.e., “all are similar human beings, with equal value to society, in differing ways.” To me, those starkly differing visions represent the difference between a larger (or more expansive), or less expansive, spiritual vision. Some might call those differing perspectives, differing philosophical values. I simply state what I see. No demonization was intented.

Nor do I assume, barking frog, that you necessarily perceived my remarks yesterday to have been demonizing the Republican Party. I simply am taking this opportunity to clarify for any (who took the time to read my remarks), who did assume wongly my intent, what my words actually meant.

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Rick Sanitorium

You should just use this instead:

Rick Santorum

It’s so much more fun that way.

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“I met a Newt who sang the blues
And I asked him for some happy news
But he just smiled while a head bobbed away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d heard the music years before
But the Bain man there said the music wouldn’t pay
And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken
And the three men I admire most-
[Obama, Biden and the Holy DemToast]
They caught the last train for the coast”

Thomas Jefferson

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Aquagirl

The owners in the WPS have voted unanimously to suspend the 2012 season. I had high hopes for this year seeing as how we drafted a top notch striker in Sydney Leroux

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ragnar danneskjold: “We agree that defeating an incumbent is a difficult task, and normally only possible if the incumbent has engaged is foolishly (political-) suicidal leftism. Jimmy Carter was the last president to deliberately employ Keynesian economic theories before The One We Have Awaited”

Dead wrong.

Keynesianism died under Jimmy Carter. Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Fed Reserve chairman and dug a grave for Keynesianism. Under Volcker, the Fed interest rate was raised to stratospheric levels and was allowed to stay there until inflation was under control — inflation control now being enshrined as the primary policy goal — and even more importantly, labor was disciplined. Under the “Volcker shock” official unemployment hit double digit levels for the first time since the Great Depression.

As we’ve seen, the disciplining of labor worked like a charm, as labor unions in this country have never recovered. So let’s get our Hannity/Beck talking points straight here.

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Democrats logic of Obama “saving” the auto industry:

(1) Let’s “just do away” with any equity that American have in GM & Chrysler.
(2) Let’s not help out Ford
(3) Let’s maintain at least a 25% oenwrship in the companies in 2012.

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JKL2 — “Disrespect Bush=good. Disrespect obama=racist. Got it.”

I’ve never claimed such a thing, and while I didn’t care for President Bush’s policies and agenda, I’ve always referred to him as “President Bush,” “Mr. Bush,” “Bush the younger” or some such. I’ve never used the cutesy names you’re objecting to in order to refer to him, because I’m a better person than that.

Maybe you could be a better person, too, and set a similar example with respect to President Obama.

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Yeah, right!!!! Keep on dreaming! obumer is gone, and mickey mouse could very well beat him!!!

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Dear Adam @ 10:11, lest you remain misinformed, passing a budget requires only 51 votes, fewer than those currently held by democrats. Filibuster rules do not apply.

Dear Joe @ 10:17, thanks, I should have guessed that you were conjoining unrelated posts in your original note. The 9:45 note referred to my willingness to refer to the current Oval Office Occupier by such names as “Chosen One” and “Messiah..” To your more substantial inquiry, the Executive Branch has wide latitude to act to protect the American public (e.g., to avoid a repeat of the events of 9/11.) Fortunately even democrats were for his intended actions before they were against them, and voted nearly unanimously to grant President Bush all the latitude he needed to punish the evildoers.

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JohnnyReb: “There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.” Of course our beloved AJC would not be contributing to the bias.”

Let me guess, that was the same report that ‘proved’ that of all media outlets, FOX is the most ‘balanced’, right?

So, let me ask, is the same media that keeps us from voting red the same one that helped Bush and Cheney drum up their war beat for the Iraq invasion?

Already forgotten that one, haven’t you JohnnyReb?

By the way, I love the historical irony in the use of the color ‘red’ to designate conservative. Kind of fitting, I think.

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Mick- add anywhere from 100k to over 900k dead or missing innocent iraqi’s

Innocent would not be a word I would use. The biggest thing the Iraqi’s like about the war was we were killing fewer people than Sadam did, and did it without all the daily tortures.

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Mary Elizabeth, 10:36, I was speaking of the Party leaders
and candidates demonizing each other and failing to explain
their philosophy and where they expect it to lead, not anything
you said.

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The owners in the WPS have voted unanimously to suspend the 2012 season.

Yeah, Kam, I’m bummed, but not surprised. Hopefully they can come back in 2013 but I’m not holding my breath.

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Erwin: Sorta like the Bush Tax Cuts aka as the Obama extensions?…which you refuse to link to Obama?

I refuse to call them “Obama’s Tax Cuts.” That’s a far cry from a simple admission of his signature on a deal where the Republicans just had to have that extension in order for Democrats to get just about everything else they wanted. From my perspective, it’s conservatives who are trying to distance themselves from Bush and who know the tax cuts were bad, so they are trying to place Obama’s name on them and force this idea that “Bush isn’t President so we can’t talk about him anymore.”

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“Bush Tax Cuts aka as the Obama extensions”

Bush cuts lasted like 10 years…no one refutes Obama extended them.

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Dear Adam @ 10:53, you will be horrified that I broadly agree with your post. They are definitely the Bush Tax Cuts, that Obama reluctantly agreed to renew (mommy, they made me jump off the cliff.) There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.

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Ask Mitt if the economy is better under Obama.

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There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.

Define one tax cut that has been proposed that Obama has not supported that you can directly tie to encouraging investment in this country and then we can talk about that.

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R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:17, thanks, I should have guessed that you were conjoining unrelated posts in your original note.”

Not in the least. I’m simply holding your feet to the fire in my demand that you detail where ‘doing god’s work,’ which you hailed President Bush for sending our military to do, is listed as a function of government in our Constitution. No conjoining is going on here, just a concerted effort on my part to expose your fundamental dishonesty and hypocrisy.

“The 9:45 note referred to my willingness to refer to the current Oval Office Occupier by such names as “Chosen One” and “Messiah..” To your more substantial inquiry, the Executive Branch has wide latitude to act to protect the American public (e.g., to avoid a repeat of the events of 9/11.)”

That’s not what you contended. You cheered President Bush for using our national military assets to ‘do god’s work.’ Explain where in the Constitution the doing of ‘god’s work’ is detailed as an essential function of government, please.

“Fortunately even democrats were for his intended actions before they were against them, and voted nearly unanimously to grant President Bush all the latitude he needed to punish the evildoers.”

Irrelevant to your earlier contention, and if you meant ‘punish the evildoers,’ then you should have said that. In any event, the members of al-Qaeda responsible for 9/11 were *known* to be in Afghanistan and NOT in Iraq. If ‘punishing evildoers’ were truly President Bush’s objective, then he failed miserably with his poor aim. Afghanistan is at least several hundred miles away from Iraq.

In any event, I await your elaboration on the Constitutionality of sending US military assets to explicitly ‘do god’s work.’ Proceed, please.

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Romney plan, not a conservative plan.

The very conservative Heritage Foundation thought up the plan years ago to counter Clinton’s plan.

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“John Adams is fibbing when he says I sold my own children into slavery”
– Thomas Jefferson

Campaigns haven’t changed all that much.

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ragnar danneskjold

January 31st, 2012
10:50 am

Dear Adam @ 10:47, you are broadly correct. We use the language of the left as a form of mockery, not of Chauncey, but of this slavish minions.
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Horse crap, you uyse the language of your puppet masters, the talk show hosts because you lack the wit to think for your self or come up with your own words or ideas.

You yourself even use the name that came from the deranged mind of an amped up meth head with the morals and character of a 50 cent hooker, Ayn Rand.

Why do you far righties worship drug addicts anyway? Ayn, Rush………

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Why do you far righties worship drug addicts anyway? Ayn, Rush………

…..whoever wrote the book of Revelations…….

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“There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.”

Bullshyte. Obama is now officially the most tax cuttinest POTUS in modern history, but don’t let facts enter your little fantasy land.

Andrew Sullivan was right……

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No, I don’t have a link to the report. I saw an interview with the guy on the tube. I’ll see if I can find one, if so I will post. However, it does not really matter, does it? Even if I find a link you won’t believe the report. But, if you truly think about it, there is a huge number of voters, probably a very large majority, that vote with little to zero knowledge of what appears routinely here. If they had the facts without the bias there would likely be different outcomes. The particular scientist states it would be a red outcome similar to how Texas votes. I am sure the Left believes it would be quite different.

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Those of you who listen to right wing talk radio and watch Fox News surely have noticed that they spend as much or more time warning you about the liberal/elite/mainstream media as they do addressing the issues themselves. Why do you think they do that? To a) keep you from turning to those other outlets for news and information and b) to make sure that when you do, you filter everything through a lens of “this source is not to be trusted.”

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Adam, 10:58, the Bush tax cuts removed capital gains taxes on
the first 40,000.00 for incomes under 60,000.00 and all cap gains
on the sale of primary residences where you had lived in at least
2 of last five years thereby fueling the market churn and housing
bubble but generating a lot of earnings in the process, among other
things.

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Told ya.

Four more years cons.

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Bosch

Miss ya when you aren’t here….

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I saw an interview with the guy on the tube.

And the channel you were watching was….?

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There are a few regulars here that take every opportunity to disparage Rick Santorum and think it funny in doing so. I can understand gays being biased against Santorum, but I’m not at all convinced those making the posts are gay. Instead, they just like to belittle the opposition. If this thread is to continue to be a legitimate place for political discord it needs to stop.

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JohnnyReb: If this thread is to continue to be a legitimate place for political discord it needs to stop.

Heh. Maybe you should take the first step.

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I can understand gays being biased against Santorum, but I’m not at all convinced those making the posts are gay. Instead, they just like to belittle the opposition

You won’t understand it so well, but an attack on gays by any politician is an attack on all of us eventually.

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My point, ragnar, is that the burying of Keynes, the onset of the post-Keynesian era, was a BIPARTISAN affair, carried out ultimately by Fed chairmen who were both Democratic and Republican appointees.

Not that you’ll ever hear this from the likes of Sean Hannity or anyone else on the FOX/GOP channel, the majority of whom likely could not have told you two words about who Keynes was before the financial crash/Obama era, when the word went out to the propaganda lieutenants that Keynes had to be killed and reburied a second time, lest he be resurrected.

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Funny how Republicans want to criticize Obama, but they were quiet when their President increased the national debt to 10 trillion dollars, allowed our homeland to be attacked by terrorists, got us into two unfunded wars (one of which was based on lies), ‘lost’ 3 billion dollars in the Iraqi desert, sanctioned economic policies that caused our economy to go into the ‘Great Recession’ in 2008, and his economic and foreign policies were a TOTAL failure. The same guy you voted for TWICE! You guys are IDIOTS!

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Hi Bosch!!!

(pats to the pups)

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You guys are IDIOTS!

You’ll catch more idiots with us-vs-them hyperbole than with facts.

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@Bill Orvis White & Kayaker 71

Someone told me that you guys do the Tebow thing after you post!!!!

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The Indian government has announced that they
will buy 11 billion dollars worth of fighter planes
from the French instead of the US even though
the French planes will cost more. Good friends.
Sarkozy didn’t even visit the country either.

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WrteStufLA

January 31st, 2012
10:55 am

My First Cousin was seven years my senior and he was the big brother I never had. He never shooed me away and taught me all the things a big bro’ teaches his little bro’…got it?

Hiya, Bosch!

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The truth hurts.

This crap again?

Splinters from pressure treated wood hurt.

The truth?

Not so much.

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the truth will set you free -Thomas Jefferson

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“because about 50% of people completely rely on the govt to take care of them”

got any proof of that?

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ByteMe

Sorry. I misread your comment. (Reading too fast) It just seems that some of these Republicans would have you believe that our President is some foreign agent bent on destroying the USA and having us convert to a Marxist/Islamic state that will institute Sharia law. They forget how much damage the idiots that they worship have done to our nation’s economy and our reputation throughout the world. Talk about failure!

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“Thomas Jefferson never set me free.”
– Sally Hemings

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Kamchak

Just keep listening to the drug addict Rush Limbaugh and watching Fox News for your truth. I can tell they keep you well informed.

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JohnnyReb — “I can understand gays being biased against Santorum, but I’m not at all convinced those making the posts are gay. Instead, they just like to belittle the opposition.”

I’m not gay, but I’ll gladly belittle Rick Santorum.

If the policies he wants to make law had been in force 13 years ago, my wife would be dead now.

Screw him.

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Kamchak

Just keep listening to the drug addict Rush Limbaugh

Umm… “friendly fire” is discouraged. You might want to watch a few postings before going on the attack.

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There is a plague that is preventable and can be stopped.

It has spread among society and many people are infected with it.

What is this evil plague?

This epidemic is the practice of lying and dishonesty.

What does the Bible say about lying?

A lying tongue is not only something God hates, it is also something that is an abomination to Him.

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Let’s be completely honest here

You first.

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“The 2nd reason is the color of his skin, 90+% of black people will vote for the black candidate, no matter what?”

How can you be sure? After all, up until the last Presidential election black people voted 100% for a WHITE candidate

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in other Rasmussen polling,

121% of Fox viewers do not approve of this news

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My mistake – it is not a report, but instead a book. Here’s the link.

http://www.timgroseclose.com/about-the-book/

I’m sure since author is from that well known Conservative college UCLA you will immediately discredit him.

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From the AJC a few minutes ago:

The CBO report shows that the deficit dilemma would largely be solved if the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 — and renewed in 2010 through the end of this year — were allowed to lapse. Under that scenario, the deficit would drop to $585 billion in 2013 and to $220 billion in 2017.
But expiration of those tax cuts would slam the economy, CBO said, bringing growth down to a paltry 1.1 percent next year.

So what do you think Romneys plan will be to tackle both these issues?

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“Even Rasmussen now has Obama surging”

And?

So did Bachmann, Cain, and Newt……..and a host of others at any given point in time……

November is a long way off folks……….much can happen in the mean time and our sorely informed masses tend to vote on the latest and greatest………or latest and worsetest……..

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Remember that the 50% pay no federal or state income tax.

You do know that some of those people are millionaires, right? Median income right now is about $50K, and you know that people making $50K have to pay income taxes, so there’s your first big lie right there.

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@Tom(Independent)

January 31st, 2012
11:22 am
Let’s be completely honest here, Obama will be re-elected because about 50% of people completely rely on the govt to take care of them. Remember that the 50% pay no federal or state income tax. Obama and the 50% believe that if people can not or will not take care of themselves, the govt should to responsible to do it! The 2nd reason is the color of his skin, 90+% of black people will vote for the black candidate, no matter what? All the other reasons people say are nothing but BS! The real reasons are listed above. This country is fast becoming a welfare country, which the 50% like! Final thought, what if 90+% of white voters choose to vote for the white candidate, now that would be racist
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You are a BLATANT LIAR and the truth ain’t in you.

You not only lied but you tried to play the RACE CARD, but you played the RACE DECK.

Your kind of mentallity IS GONE WITH THE WIND like old massa and his plantation.

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ByteMe

Could you please supply information on the difference between a normal business cycle recession and the credit based recession that we just experienced?

Also, has there ever been another credit based recession?

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Taxpayer – GREAT post

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Look at all the cons that crawl out under their rocks to attack our President.

You will lose again cons.

Four more years shoved down your throats.

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getalife

“You will lose again cons.

Four more years shoved down your throats.”

this means the majority of Americans don’t buy their ’socialist Marxist” rhetoric.

Or maybe it’s the cons worst nightmare – the majority of US voters really are socialist Marxists!!!

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Could you please supply information on the difference between a normal business cycle recession and the credit based recession that we just experienced?

Also, has there ever been another credit based recession?

A “normal” business cycle recession happens as a way to adjust the supply/demand curves and happens about every 3-4 years regardless of what we do to prevent it.

A credit crisis-based recession is caused by the banks over-leveraging their assets such that if the asset values fall slightly, the bank is insolvent and the depositor’s money is lost, which then makes the problem worse. It doesn’t happen often here because of the strong rules supposedly in place to prevent it. Last big one was the Depression, but we had a smaller one in the ’80’s with the S&L crisis. This one was on the order of magnitude of the Depression, but the response this time was better and more timely than last time (and coordinated across the globe, which didn’t happen at all in 1930). GDP dropped 9% in Q4 2008 and was falling rapidly in Q1 2009, but the steps taken reversed that trend.

Did that help?

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Where was the Tea party when scooter was outing a CIA agent?

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All you libs jump on the “deny” band wagon. The govt says that 47-50% of citizens pay no federal or state income tax, the rest of us has to pay our share and the 50% also. This pisses me off. The issue of them not making enough money to pay taxes – stay in school, get a education or skilled trade, stay out of trouble with the law and quit having babies until you can afford them. You should be accountable for your own actions but expecting taxpayers money to bail you out.After graduating HS, I went into USAF,at 17, served in Vietnam and 43 yrs later retired. It was not easy but if you put your effort into it, you can take care of yourself, if you make wise choices. I do not want to be the world’s social worker!!

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Jay, did you see the link I posted to the book on media bias?

http://www.timgroseclose.com/about-the-book/

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Where was the Tea party when Bushie was violating the illegal wire taps on American Citizens? Yeah i know , blah blah blah…

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“It might just be me, but doesn’t the CBO report actually counter the claims from the Right in that “we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem”?”

Oh, no, of course it’s doesn’t! They’ll just say the CBO is biased towards making this admin look good.

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Don,t need fox new,s look around you,by the way do not trust the voting cards.

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Just a question, any of you liberal Obama supporters ever serve in the military? Serious response only, please?

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ByteMe

Yes, I was hoping for a link that can be book marked so that every time some Econ 101 expert comes here and says that Obama has made this recession worse, maybe, just maybe they can be shown this recession is like no other since The Depression.

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“we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem”

We have both.

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angle of the dangle

Jay, if it lasts more than 4 hours………………call EVERY exgirlfriend you know

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byte me- Let’s be completely honest here. You’re full of crap and can’t back up your statistics with links to real sources

His numbers may not be accurate but his theory is.

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/?scp=2&sq=democratic%20party&st=cse

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Tom(Independent)

January 31st, 2012
11:56 am

Whats the point in answering your questions when you dont do the same?

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intellectual superiority alert jay…..good one……and i see another lib defending alinsky…….keep talking

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Where was the Tea party when Bushie bailed out Wall street?

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Tom(I) — “Just a question, any of you liberal Obama supporters ever serve in the military? Serious response only, please?”

Five years active duty US Army, 1 year USAR, 2 years Army IRR. Honorably discharged disabled veteran.

And voted Republican from 1980 – 2002.

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Only in your dreams .Jay. He is still worse than Jimmy. Just look at the stats.

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JKL2

January 31st, 2012
11:51 am
th truth(?)- they were quiet when their President increased the national debt to 10 trillion dollars,

The Tea Party would like to say “Hello”

Our debt is now pushing $16T but I guess it’s still “Bush’s fault” right?

Vote obama: Free money for everyone!

No, let’s vote for Republicant’s, that way we can have unfunded wars, we can be afraid of the Al-Qaeda boogie man underneath our beds, we can allow corporations to pay a lower effective tax rate than blue collar employees and we can increase the debt by trillions of dollars while causing our economy to go into a landslide like it did under a Republican administration in 2008. Then we can institute the Bush tax cuts which didn’t create ANY net jobs. Where was the Tea Party then, genius?

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“It might just be me, but doesn’t the CBO report actually counter the claims from the Right in that “we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem”?”

Depends on which CBO report one wants to look at. The latest suggests fed workers (at least on the lower end) make more than their private sector counterparts………and it is that private sector that has to generate the salaries for both positions………overspending?

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Stevie Ray – “I still posit that the most patriotic thing to do this election is not count..not vote as the converse is vote for status quo….”

I’ve done that for the last 2 elections, I promise, when someone worthwhile shows up, I promise I’ll vote for them.

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JKL2 — “His numbers may not be accurate but his theory is.”

And in support of your claim to truthfulness and factual analysis, you cite . . . an opinion column.

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butch,
boehner has admitted both only the difference is you libs want to take more money from the masses to gain revenue, while conservatives want the revenue to come from the private sector actually growing……….an argument radical hussein will lose this fall….enjoy

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“He is still worse than Jimmy. Just look at the stats.”

You mean the 2 plus millions jobs added in the last 14 months?

Are you comparing that to the almost 4 million lost under Bush the last 6 months of his term?

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md – “Depends on which CBO report one wants to look at. The latest suggests fed workers (at least on the lower end) make more than their private sector counterparts………and it is that private sector that has to generate the salaries for both positions………overspending?

I was referring to the CBO report that came out in the last hour in the AJC. Didn’t see anything about government workers in the analysis below:

“The CBO report shows that the deficit dilemma would largely be solved if the tax cuts enacted in 2001 and 2003 — and renewed in 2010 through the end of this year — were allowed to lapse. Under that scenario, the deficit would drop to $585 billion in 2013 and to $220 billion in 2017.”

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Johnny Reb – I’ll read your’s if you read mine: http://www.amazon.com/What-Liberal-Media-Truth-About/dp/0465001769

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Nprmal and GG are an embarrasement for their relatives! Gad, they would vote for scum if it had a liberal tag.

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joe,
he’s down 2 million jobs, the univers of jobs is down another 2 million and he’s added 5 trillion in debt……..he pushes class warfare and division which is all community organizers know so, please run on that record…..PLEASE

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ITSBUSHESFAULT,

Regarding telecom, do you realize BO promised (up to DEM filibuster) to bring criminal action against these folks then got telecom cash and shut down DEM filibuster all the same? Check out Gleenn Greenwalds “Libery and Justice for Some”.

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@Tom(Independent)

January 31st, 2012
11:58 am
Just a question, any of you liberal Obama supporters ever serve in the military? Serious response only, please?
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Any of you (Independent) supporters’ families ever served in the CIVIL WAR?

On what side?

Serious response only, please?

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Billybob – “……..he pushes class warfare and division which is all community organizers know

Exactly how many community organizers do you know?

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You may not want to admit whose side you are on, but that doesn’t change the fact of what my point was……..answer to that not something trivial

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You can say all liberals are democrat but not all republicans are conservative. There is really no democrat party it is a liberal party. Their ideology creates chaos, ignores rules of law, and easily takes life. You want to vote for more of that?

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FINN,

Not much if you ask me…healthcare thingy will crash and burn due to his impetuous jamming of a crappy bill…OBL was more ceremony that security…it took 10 years of intelligence infrastructure rebuilding to find his arse. I completely support DODT, student loans accomplishments (hopefully we won’t end up on the hook for these as well), and keeping to previous administrations timetable to get out of IRAQ…Not much audacity IMO.

He is now the most devisive WH occupant in history…

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You can say all liberals are democrat but not all republicans are conservative.

You could also say that unicorns crap Skittles.

But neither of our statements are close to reality.

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all i need to know is one community organizer……it was some in the private sector that were facilitated by the unregulated gov’t intrustion into the free market….you are half right

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FINN,

It’s not your money daddio..

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Oh! How cute! A liberal who does not quite understand how to properly use the word “Surge” which implies movement in an abnormal manner.

Libs Obama goes from 49 to 51% approval = surge.

Hilarious.

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joe,
do your own research….it’s easy to find

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This will surely change when the Super PAC’s start spending . The republiCons can always find some southern dimwits to take the GOP bait.

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Tom(Independent)January 31st, 2012@11:58 am:
First, my serious answer to your query, and a question for you, I am a lifelong Democrat, a Liberal and a Marine who served from 1965-1969. While I served honorably, I didn’t serve in combat.
Now a question for you, do you care about the poor in this country, the degradation of the environment, the education of our children, the well-being of our elderly, the uninsured who cannot afford health care, do you condone bigotry and racism?

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Libs all excited about Obama passing Obamacare??? The same law that your wicked beast Pelosi said pass it to know what is in it.

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MiltonMan — “Libs Obama goes from 49 to 51% approval = surge. Hilarious.”

What’s hilarious is acting as if your man President Bush was operating with a “mandate” when the *aggregate* approval rating for President Bush AND VP Cheney didn’t even equal Obama’s approval figure.

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GETALIFE,

No but I should..the telecom folks buttered GOP and DEMS bread to remain above the law….it is sickening….The most disgusting is Goldman’s revolving door appointments who get appointed to DC posts, push financial legislation beneficial to Goldman, then return to Goldman for the new found wind falls…

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lowering all taxes across the board spurs economic activity and will increase federal revenue……after bush’s tax cuts we had 52 straight months of job growth which was the longest streak on record…….libs try to bury that fact under the job losses that started with the housing collapse that was triggered by gov’t, private sector and GSE’s

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“I was referring to the CBO report that came out in the last hour in the AJC. Didn’t see anything about government workers…….”

Well…..try some one stop shopping then:

http://cboblog.cbo.gov/

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Jay:
“Because the basic notion that broad segments of the American people have rejected Obama and his politics is simply incorrect.”

Yeah Obama has all the Catholics voting for him.

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FINN,

Disagree. One thing the goverment doesnt understand is insurance…see Freddie
Fannie, see SS, medicare, medicaid, federal flood etcetera. Just met with a client yesterday with 45,000 employees..costs to add kids to 26 and pre-existing increased their costs $8 millon per year…really and truly…

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joe,
it’s bush’s fault…..keep talking like that….PLEASE

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lowering all taxes across the board spurs economic activity and will increase federal revenue…

Supply-side, laissez-faire, trickle-on phlogiston Econ 101 alchemy with an expiration date.

We’ve had thirty years of that in the refrigerator and it’s stinking up the house.

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costs to add kids to 26 and pre-existing increased their costs $8 millon per year

Only if they also cover kids as part of their coverage. Most companies don’t, but they let the employee pay for it.

As opposed to before, when some people couldn’t buy any at all because of “pre-existing conditions”.

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To Jay’s earlier point about the angle of the dangle and endless other childish excuses, given my writings, it is obviously cause for me to celebrate when neo-cons lose.

But where is it writen that they must always be such sore losers?

And come November we are going to see their losing ugliness go through the roof. Again.

Get some decent, reasonable candidates if you want to stop these ugly defeats…

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hussein spent a trillion and lost 2,000,000 more jobs and shrank the universe of jobs by 2,000,000 more…….you lose…….central gov’t planning from the white house is out the door in nov

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client yesterday with 45,000 employees..costs to add kids to 26 and pre-existing increased their costs $8 millon per year

If they can’t run their business profitably, it’s time to close the doors. Managers need to step up and manage.

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free market vs central gov’t planning and socialism people…….almost time to choose out in the open……can’t wait

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md – “Well…..try some one stop shopping then:”

Thanks for the link, interesting read.

Differences between the average compensation of employees of the federal government and that of private-sector employees varied significantly by level of education. As shown in the table below:

•Among people with a high school diploma or less education, or whose education culminated in a bachelor’s degree, the total cost of compensation, on average, was higher for federal workers than for similar workers in the private sector, after accounting for differences in demographic factors and in certain characteristics of their jobs.
•By contrast, among people with a professional degree or Ph.D., total compensation costs were lower for federal employees than for similar private-sector employees, on average.
•Differences between the government and the private sector in the average costs of benefits were much greater than the differences in the average wages.
However, even within groups of workers who have similar characteristics, the average differences in compensation between federal and private-sector employees do not indicate whether particular federal employees would receive more or less compensation in the private sector.

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JHM,
hussein is pres and has been for over 3 years…..seems to me trying to sweep his record under the rug and go back about 12 years and blame someone else for hussein’s failures will be a loser in the fall, but please try that

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Just a question, any of you right-wing chickenhawk GOP supporters ever serve in the military? Serious response only, please?

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Billybob

January 31st, 2012
12:28 pm

How long does it take to start to recover from a deep recession?

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How come you only see those “Bend Over Here Comes the Change” bumper stickers on macho redneck pickup trucks?

hmmmm…..

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The Truth, by a HUGE percentage the answer is no.

They’re pretty much all good little Cheney clones who had “priorities other than military service.”

But they had zero problems cheering on the deadly dunces who got thousands of other people’s kids heads blown off needlessly.

In fact, they loved it. It assuaged their vicarious bloodlust for a few years…

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So adding some children with pre-existing conditions and some post college aged kids added 8mm?

Liar.

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JKL2

January 31st, 2012
12:02 pm
byte me- Let’s be completely honest here. You’re full of crap and can’t back up your statistics with links to real sources

His numbers may not be accurate but his theory is.

In theory, newborn babies are delivered by storks.

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FINN & BYTEME,

The subject client is one of the leading senior care providers in the country and exceptionally well run…especially considering they get 65% of revenue from medicaid and the balance from Medicare and private pay. The big squeeze is on…the $8 plus million was direct cash expense and not related to how the business is run. Utilization is going thru the roof bc folks who haven’t had HC in the past will abuse it…these large employers are largely self insured so the dollars are real….I work with many, many fortune companies and not a one has not taken a 5-15% inncrease in self insured obligations as result of just these two diddies…

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client yesterday with 45,000 employees..costs to add kids to 26 and pre-existing increased their
costs $8 millon per year”

Soooooo, you telling me company with 45,000 employees cant afford an extra $177 per employee.

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“Save the billionaires!” Thomas Jefferson.

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His numbers may not be accurate but his theory is.

This sounds like “He’s been consistent since he changed his mind.”

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“Nice thread Jay.”

Really? Title say Rasmussen, and he poots a Gallup poll? Cut/paste ‘journalism’ isn’t that hard. Obama is -13% today on Rasmussen.

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Told ya facts don’t matter this cycle because the cons decided to ignore them.

President Obama’s accomplishments ignored.

rasmussen poll ignored.

How is the weather in la la land today cons?

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JOE,

Not when 90% of revenue is Medicare and Medicaid which is subject to huge cuts….Remember also that this is current year number without escalator…not sure how many of you read SEC filings but they are worth a look see especially for the largest employers…risk factors are requirement an usually included on opening page…when the 117 dollars escalates, it will likely become evident that the less well run companies will opt simply to pay the penalty and not offer coverage…..that will be a debacle for your pal…

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Obama’s recent surge in the Rasmussen polls is a result of negative opinion generated by the endless GOP debates and Obama taking credit for the rescue of kidnapped victims in Somalia by the Navy Seals.The Obama team learned from their last spike in popularity after the Bin Laden assasination that associating the administration with special ops missions generates a great deal of positive press. Of course, anyone with a sense of history is aware that it is illegal for military personel to discuss the classified activities of our special forces. To quote a decorated Navy Seal, Leif Babin, in today’s WSJ:” It is infuriating to see political gain put above the safety and security of brave warriors and our long term strategic goals. Loose lips sink ships.” Michael Barone from the Rasmussen site pointed out in his commentary that Obama’s main weakness became apparant in the State of the Union Address: issues. Once the Republican nominee is selected, Obama will have to defend his track record regarding the Fast and Furious scandal, the disastrous Energy Dept. loan programs,Keystone, and the inability to generate growth in the economy from anything other than Government spending. I respectfully disagree with your contention that Americans are accepting the Obama agenda. Americans want specific detailed solutions to solve the problems facing us. Waxing poetic about income inequality, evil corporate jet owners, and casting a blind eye towards the pending demographic tsunami coming to our entitltement programs simply will not cut it. Obama is going to have to eventually be held accountable for his track record and there is not much to support any meaningful argument.

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“Soooooo, you telling me company with 45,000 employees cant afford an extra $177 per employee.”

Maybe not if that company is already treading water in this here recession………but I’m sure if they have a problem paying that new expense, all they have to do is lay off a certain percentage of their workforce………..

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Where was the Tea party when Bushie let OBL escape at Tora Bora?

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Whats the CEO pay and compensation of this 45,000 employee company? Just curious?

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