Even Rasmussen now has Obama surging
It may prove to be an aberration, but I see that even Rasmussen now has Barack Obama polling in positive numbers, with 51 percent of Americans approving of his performance as president and 48 percent disapproving.
That three-point approval margin is the largest reported by Rasmussen since October of 2009.
Gallup doesn’t show quite that amount of approval. In fact, Obama remains barely “underwater” in that poll, with 47 percent disapproval and 46 percent approval. But that’s a significant improvement over the 38 percent Gallup approval rating as recently as October 2011.
You can attribute that improvement to a variety of factors, among them a slowly improving economy, a new willingness by Obama to confront congressional Republicans, the fratricide of the Republican presidential primary and his commitment to a more populist economic message.
Of course, none of that guarantees re-election, although futures traders at Intrade also have Obama’s prospects brightening recently, with the probability of another four years now at 54 percent. And whatever happens in November, the polling data cast an interesting light on claims posted here often by conservatives that “everybody hates Obama” and “even Mickey Mouse could beat” him.
Well, no they don’t and no he couldn’t.
It’s easy to talk yourself into that kind of belief, particularly if you live in deeply red areas of a pretty red state such as Georgia, where everyone that you see and know agrees with you and those who don’t agree just stay silent. That tendency can be compounded if you set up virtual residence within the right-wing echo chamber, where the anti-Obama drumbeat sounds 24 hours a day.
But as even Rasmussen tells you, if you’re going to beat Obama, it’s not going to be easy. (They have Obama defeating Mitt Romney 47-41, and defeating Gingrich 52-35). Because the basic notion that broad segments of the American people have rejected Obama and his politics is simply incorrect.
– Jay Bookman
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JOE Cool (Where Can I Vote TWICE For MESSIAH OBAMA..lol)
January 31st, 2012
10:21 am
Half the CONs here are Bithers, in the sense that they question SOMETHING about what his gandma said, his Conn SSN, how he got to travel to Kenya when Americans couldnt drivel…..
Mick
January 31st, 2012
10:21 am
**leftists magnify peace and are always willing to surrender, and disparage freedom which arises only from victory. Conservatives magnify freedom with arises only from victory, and disparage the peace that arises from surrender.**
Do you actually read what you write? Generalizations such as the above prove you live in the theater of the absurd, good grief…
Bill Orvis White
January 31st, 2012
10:21 am
@Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)
I’m on a crusade to save America so I come on lefty blogs like this to provide secular progressives like you with my compassionate, truthful common sense ideas.
Amen,
Bill
Kamchak
January 31st, 2012
10:21 am
“What was it you were looking for
that took your life that night
They said they found my high school ring
clutched in your fingers tight”
– Thomas Jefferson
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:22 am
Even if it only is for a little bit, just to make things better?
Yes. This is ok. No one was hurt in the process (unless you count butthurt), nor was there any expectation that anyone would be.
harvey
January 31st, 2012
10:23 am
If Obama wins it is a testament to all the freeloaders and whiners we have in this country, who turn a blind eye to his performance, and worse, his ambitions for this country to become socialist.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:24 am
his ambitions for this country to become socialist.
I’m sure you have evidence of ideas and plans he has promoted that are socialist. Name a few.
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
10:25 am
All of the bailouts (both Bush and Obama) were indicative of crony capitalism and fascism bottom line.
The bailout of the banks was definitely “crony capitalism”, but given the tongue-lashing that the rest of the world’s bankers gave the Bush team for letting Lehman go bye-bye, it was almost a reasonable response. Letting their bondholders get 100 cents on the dollar was stupid and doing it without much controls in place was typical Bush team work. Obama’s team corrected as much as they could once they got their hands around the problem.
GM was not a “bailout”, but a bankruptcy with two governments providing “debtor in possession” financing since no one else was willing to step forward — this happened in spring 2009, when the credit markets froze solid for a while — and a vibrant manufacturing base is in our national best interest, so — again — it was a reasonable response to a bad situation.
Jack
January 31st, 2012
10:25 am
Smoke and mirrors by liberals. No one is going to vote for Obama unless they are expecting some kind of handout.
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2012
10:26 am
That Obama’s favorables would trend up while Repubicans bash each other and air their dirty laundry is not surprising. He also got a bump from the hostage rescue. Other explanations are wishful thinking as are thoughts of him winning in November.
There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.” Of course our beloved AJC would not be contributing to the bias.
David Brooks writes today of a book by Charles Murray that disagrees with the reasons for the economic divide. It boils down to character, work ethic and personal responsibility. Not to Capitalism or those old ugly corporations.
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
10:26 am
So a little bit of cronyism is ok then right?
First you claim it’s cronyism, then you claim it’s fascism, but you can’t seem to make up your mind which term to sling when.
Mark
January 31st, 2012
10:27 am
@ harvey
January 31st, 2012
10:23 am
If Obama wins it is a testament to all the freeloaders and whiners we have in this country, who turn a blind eye to his performance, and worse, his ambitions for this country to become socialist.
Whiners, food stamp President, freeloaders, socialist…..blah blah blah.
JKL2
January 31st, 2012
10:27 am
Newt’s divorce- President Obama has and still is enduring a lot of bigotry and disrespect for him as a man and for his as the sitting President, especially from other politicans.
Disrespect Bush=good. Disrespect obama=racist. Got it.
If GM is doing so well, they should have no trouble paying us back that $25B the taxpayer’s are out.
Incompetence knows no skin color. (but knows our president very well).
JOE Cool (Where Can I Vote TWICE For MESSIAH OBAMA..lol)
January 31st, 2012
10:27 am
Jack
January 31st, 2012
10:25 am
Wake up JACK….get out into the WORLD. There are more ppl than just the ones in your circle.
Gavin S
January 31st, 2012
10:27 am
So, where are we? As a people we’re obsessed by the cheap shoddy dishonest music, the cheap flash baseless overvalued money, the glittering edifice of publicity foundationed on nothing like a cardboard house over an abyss and all the noisy muddle of political activity which used to be our minor national industry and is now our national amateur pastime–all the spurious uproar produced by men deliberately fostering and then getting rich on our national passion for the mediocre: who will even accept the best provided it is debased and befouled before being fed us: who are the only people on earth who brag publicly of being second rate, i.e. lowbrows.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:28 am
Jack: No one is going to vote for Obama unless they are expecting some kind of handout.
Interesting change from “No one is promising to vote for Obama.”
BTW, I promise to vote for Obama, and will accept no government handouts. I’m also cutting a check to the Treasury, and a dollar for dollar match to the inauguration countdown person’s $100 contribution to my favorite charity when Obama wins.
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
10:28 am
There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.”
So what the political scientist reall found was that if not for wide dissemination of facts, the whole country would vote for Republicans. Seems right.
Talking Head
January 31st, 2012
10:28 am
“Talking Head: Crony Capitalism perhaps, but I still think fascism is not accurate. And if you don’t want corny capitalism or fascism, why do you support Republicans? They embody both a lot more closely than your ridiculous GM analogy. But your ideology (again with you projecting your failings onto me) won’t let you see that, even after skimming (no, don’t lie and say you read the whole thing) that wikipedia article.”
My ideology is that of America, put into a label Libertarian (which is the furthest away from fascism). Both Dems and Repubs are guilty of cronyism or fascism. By the way, if you READ and not SKIM that wikipedia article, you may find some of the very things you’ve said and support fall into that mentality, fyi.
mm
January 31st, 2012
10:30 am
“Smoke and mirrors by liberals. No one is going to vote for Obama unless they are expecting some kind of handout.”
Hang onto that thought until 2016.
Talking Head
January 31st, 2012
10:31 am
“First you claim it’s cronyism, then you claim it’s fascism, but you can’t seem to make up your mind which term to sling when.”
What’s the difference, really (in terms of the economy)? The government picks winners and losers in the end.
Not for me.
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2012
10:31 am
ByteMe – there is a big difference between facts and bias. Dream on.
BTW – my earlier post should have also credited the traditional family unit as a large factor in economic and other success.
zeke
January 31st, 2012
10:32 am
Just shows that the 2008 election and the current left wing slant of the polls you use know how to play to the leftist, anti USA, brin dead that are ALLOWED to vote! If he is lucky enough, or, if the democraps can steal enough votes, or, vote many times, or, dead cast ballots, and, left wing nits maintain control of the Senate, THE COUNTRY IS DOOMED TO SOCIALIST FAILURE IN THE FUTURE!! You want examples? GREECE, ITALY, SPAIN AND ALL THE OTHER EURO SOCIALIST COUNTRIES!
Mark
January 31st, 2012
10:32 am
@ Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:28 am
Jack: No one is going to vote for Obama unless they are expecting some kind of handout.
Interesting change from “No one is promising to vote for Obama.”
BTW, I promise to vote for Obama, and will accept no government handouts. I’m also cutting a check to the Treasury, and a dollar for dollar match to the inauguration countdown person’s $100 contribution to my favorite charity when Obama wins.
That is a good idea!
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:33 am
Talking Head: you may find some of the very things you’ve said and support fall into that mentality, fyi.
I am aware that comparisons can be made just as much as they can be made to at least 2 other buzz word blanket labels. I am no more a fascist than a socialist than a communist when it comes to trying to categorize all of what I support.
Kamchak
January 31st, 2012
10:33 am
What’s the difference, really…
Exactly, since you are using them as code words for “fear”.
Mick
January 31st, 2012
10:34 am
‘Forward, the Light Brigade!’
Was there a man dismay’d ?
Not tho’ the soldier knew
Some one had blunder’d:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do & die,
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley’d & thunder’d;
Storm’d at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.
JOE Cool (Where Can I Vote TWICE For MESSIAH OBAMA..lol)
January 31st, 2012
10:34 am
zeke
January 31st, 2012
10:32 am
Bless your heart….. zeke, Imma vote at least 3 times for King Obama
You-know-its-true
January 31st, 2012
10:35 am
Obummer sure has a lot to be proud of doesn’t he? Like putting 14 million more Americans on foodstamps, adding $4-5 trillion in new debt, 3 millions fewer Americans working since he took office.
The guy has nothing to run on. That’s why he’s playing the wealth envy card every chance he gets. If you ever get a job from a homeless person be sure to let me know.
The sad thing is he probably will get re-elected thanks to the uninformed, uneducated masses who believe anything they hear without question. The media is behind Obama no matter what. You almost have to go out of your way to hear the truth and get accurate information these days. It make me sick
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
10:35 am
ByteMe – there is a big difference between facts and bias. Dream on.
So you talk about a study with no link and want me to take it seriously? Did you even look into who paid for the study? Did you look into what the study questions were and whether there was any bias in the questions being asked or the demographics of the participants?
Facts do a have bias, just not the one your team likes.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:36 am
Obummer sure has a lot to be proud of doesn’t he?
As does Mint RawMoney
Newtmare GinGrinch
Rick Sanitorium
etc etc
MiltonMan
January 31st, 2012
10:36 am
Jay, democrats were in charge of this state for 130+ years. It was time for a change pal. Also, banking on polls & specifically Rasmussen??? You seem to have forgotten that this crappy poll predicted a sKerry victory over Bush.
Mary Elizabeth
January 31st, 2012
10:36 am
barking frog, 10:05
I agree that neither party should be “demonized.” However, I must state truth as I see it. If others perceive my views as “demonizing,” I cannot be in control of their perceptions.
Let me be more specific. Yesterday, I wrote that a major reason Republicans appear to have a dearth of quality candidates is because their party, imo, lacks a “larger spiritual vision.” Some will have misunderstood what I meant by “larger spiritual vision,” but I cannot help their perceptions. My next sentence alluded to what I meant by those words because I connected “larger spiritual vision” to a vision of “egalitarianism.”
I believe that one “stark difference” in worldviews between the two political parties is the contrast between a vertical (hierarchial) vision of others, i.e., “CEOs are more worthy because they have more (choose your descriptive noun) than common workers,” and a lateral (egalitarian) vision of others, i.e., “all are similar human beings, with equal value to society, in differing ways.” To me, those starkly differing visions represent the difference between a larger (or more expansive), or less expansive, spiritual vision. Some might call those differing perspectives, differing philosophical values. I simply state what I see. No demonization was intented.
Nor do I assume, barking frog, that you necessarily perceived my remarks yesterday to have been demonizing the Republican Party. I simply am taking this opportunity to clarify for any (who took the time to read my remarks), who did assume wongly my intent, what my words actually meant.
Aquagirl
January 31st, 2012
10:36 am
There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.”
Someone’s been perusing the Tinfoil Hat Report again.
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
10:37 am
Rick Sanitorium
You should just use this instead:
Rick Santorum
It’s so much more fun that way.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:38 am
ByteMe: true
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 31st, 2012
10:38 am
“I met a Newt who sang the blues
And I asked him for some happy news
But he just smiled while a head bobbed away
I went down to the sacred store
Where I’d heard the music years before
But the Bain man there said the music wouldn’t pay
And in the streets the children screamed
The lovers cried, and the poets dreamed
But not a word was spoken
The church bells all were broken
And the three men I admire most-
[Obama, Biden and the Holy DemToast]
They caught the last train for the coast”
Thomas Jefferson
JOE Cool (Where Can I Vote TWICE For MESSIAH OBAMA..lol)
January 31st, 2012
10:39 am
You-know-its-true
January 31st, 2012
10:35 am
How long does it take to come out of a deep recession?
Kamchak
January 31st, 2012
10:39 am
Aquagirl
The owners in the WPS have voted unanimously to suspend the 2012 season. I had high hopes for this year seeing as how we drafted a top notch striker in Sydney Leroux
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2012
10:39 am
Call the caterer and let’s start the party now!…no need to wait for November….is there?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2012
10:41 am
ragnar danneskjold: “We agree that defeating an incumbent is a difficult task, and normally only possible if the incumbent has engaged is foolishly (political-) suicidal leftism. Jimmy Carter was the last president to deliberately employ Keynesian economic theories before The One We Have Awaited”
Dead wrong.
Keynesianism died under Jimmy Carter. Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Fed Reserve chairman and dug a grave for Keynesianism. Under Volcker, the Fed interest rate was raised to stratospheric levels and was allowed to stay there until inflation was under control — inflation control now being enshrined as the primary policy goal — and even more importantly, labor was disciplined. Under the “Volcker shock” official unemployment hit double digit levels for the first time since the Great Depression.
As we’ve seen, the disciplining of labor worked like a charm, as labor unions in this country have never recovered. So let’s get our Hannity/Beck talking points straight here.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 31st, 2012
10:41 am
Well, the work’s been hot and heavy this a.m. For such a bad economy people sure spend alot of money on beer. I ain’t been able to take but six breaks since I started work this a.m. It’s just a brutal job but somebody’s got to do it.
I saw Bookman’s bad news, but who beleives these polls? I only beleive the ones that agree with me. This Obama is a awful President and he’ll be booted out in a landslide this November. That’s my opinion and it’s very true.
And even if these polls are true things ain’t all bad. We get to call Obama all kind of names till the election. And if the libruls get him put back in office we can moan and groan about Socialism and Marxism and all kind of debt and how terrible the economy is because of the crushing Regulations and giveaways to the lazy and how we’re forsaking God’s Way and . . . well, there’s just no end to all the things that are wrong that a godly Republican President could fix.
It’s just that if that happens and he gets reelected shortly No. 1 Fox Lady’s going to show up on this blog and tell us all to . . . well, you know. And I just can’t stand that.
Have a good Tuesday everybody.
MiltonMan
January 31st, 2012
10:42 am
Democrats logic of Obama “saving” the auto industry:
(1) Let’s “just do away” with any equity that American have in GM & Chrysler.
(2) Let’s not help out Ford
(3) Let’s maintain at least a 25% oenwrship in the companies in 2012.
mm
January 31st, 2012
10:42 am
There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.”
Yeah , that liberal media that each Sunday allow republicans to get on the morning shows and spout lies without a challenge.
Speaking of challenges, I challenge any of you righties to post a thought that you did not hear from Rush, Neal, Glen, or Fox News. I know you’ve never had to think for yourselves, but give it a try.
These same Kenyan Marxist Socialist rants ore getting old.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 31st, 2012
10:42 am
JKL2 — “Disrespect Bush=good. Disrespect obama=racist. Got it.”
I’ve never claimed such a thing, and while I didn’t care for President Bush’s policies and agenda, I’ve always referred to him as “President Bush,” “Mr. Bush,” “Bush the younger” or some such. I’ve never used the cutesy names you’re objecting to in order to refer to him, because I’m a better person than that.
Maybe you could be a better person, too, and set a similar example with respect to President Obama.
Jefferson
January 31st, 2012
10:43 am
Its a long way to Clito, hang on and enjoy the ride.
Alpha23
January 31st, 2012
10:45 am
Yeah, right!!!! Keep on dreaming! obumer is gone, and mickey mouse could very well beat him!!!
JOE Cool (Where Can I Vote TWICE For MESSIAH OBAMA..lol)
January 31st, 2012
10:46 am
Alpha23
January 31st, 2012
10:45 am
Thats all u got…no wonder you sheep are sheep.
Jay
January 31st, 2012
10:46 am
“There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.”
Hahaha! OF COURSE there is! If not for media bias we’d be a one-party country, right?
Oh my goodness. Further testament to the power of believing what you want to believe, no matter how nonsensical.
Recon 2533 1811
January 31st, 2012
10:46 am
Once the Republicans have their nominee and I’m going with the conventional wisdom that it will be Romney, the focus will be be squarely on the issues. Obama’s failed keynesian economics that has added 7 trillion dollars to the deficit, his ObamaCare abomination, his failure to address unemployment, his failed foreign policy agenda, his economic class divide and conquer strategy not to mention his lack competence as a national and world leader. He will be forced to defend these glaring deficiencies and his current pandering campaign will need to refocus. I don’t think the Democrats have a defense strategy to defend Obama’s record on the issues and a weak strategy of avoiding his record by attempting to stay on offense will be hard for his campaign to continue.
ragnar danneskjold
January 31st, 2012
10:46 am
Dear Adam @ 10:11, lest you remain misinformed, passing a budget requires only 51 votes, fewer than those currently held by democrats. Filibuster rules do not apply.
Dear Joe @ 10:17, thanks, I should have guessed that you were conjoining unrelated posts in your original note. The 9:45 note referred to my willingness to refer to the current Oval Office Occupier by such names as “Chosen One” and “Messiah..” To your more substantial inquiry, the Executive Branch has wide latitude to act to protect the American public (e.g., to avoid a repeat of the events of 9/11.) Fortunately even democrats were for his intended actions before they were against them, and voted nearly unanimously to grant President Bush all the latitude he needed to punish the evildoers.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:47 am
Joe Mama: I am always confused as to why saying “Obama” isn’t enough. It already sounds like a slur every time they say it. And anything that is labeled with his proper last name is seen as evil (see Obamacare).
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2012
10:48 am
JohnnyReb: “There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.” Of course our beloved AJC would not be contributing to the bias.”
Let me guess, that was the same report that ‘proved’ that of all media outlets, FOX is the most ‘balanced’, right?
So, let me ask, is the same media that keeps us from voting red the same one that helped Bush and Cheney drum up their war beat for the Iraq invasion?
Already forgotten that one, haven’t you JohnnyReb?
By the way, I love the historical irony in the use of the color ‘red’ to designate conservative. Kind of fitting, I think.
ragnar danneskjold
January 31st, 2012
10:49 am
Dear Welcome @ 10:41, I appreciate your willingness to engage, but what part of tirckle-down economics is consistent with Keynesianism? I thought that was why you leftists opposed every Reagan initiative?
JKL2
January 31st, 2012
10:49 am
Mick- add anywhere from 100k to over 900k dead or missing innocent iraqi’s
Innocent would not be a word I would use. The biggest thing the Iraqi’s like about the war was we were killing fewer people than Sadam did, and did it without all the daily tortures.
JOE Cool (Where Can I Vote TWICE For MESSIAH OBAMA..lol)
January 31st, 2012
10:49 am
“7 trillion dollars to the deficit, his ObamaCare abomination, his failure to address unemployment, his failed foreign policy agenda,”
7 Trillion?? Not intended to be factual. ObamaCare still has support. Unemployment is going down. Foreign policy….really??? SMH
barking frog
January 31st, 2012
10:50 am
Mary Elizabeth, 10:36, I was speaking of the Party leaders
and candidates demonizing each other and failing to explain
their philosophy and where they expect it to lead, not anything
you said.
ragnar danneskjold
January 31st, 2012
10:50 am
Dear Adam @ 10:47, you are broadly correct. We use the language of the left as a form of mockery, not of Chauncey, but of this slavish minions.
Jay
January 31st, 2012
10:50 am
You have a link to this sterling example of academic excellence, Reb?
Erwin's cat
January 31st, 2012
10:50 am
Adam “And anything that is labeled with his proper last name is seen as evil”
Sorta like the Bush Tax Cuts aka as the Obama extensions?…which you refuse to link to Obama?
Aquagirl
January 31st, 2012
10:52 am
The owners in the WPS have voted unanimously to suspend the 2012 season.
Yeah, Kam, I’m bummed, but not surprised. Hopefully they can come back in 2013 but I’m not holding my breath.
Obama is RUINING my neighborhood!!
January 31st, 2012
10:53 am
Obamacats are the scourge of the in town neighborhoods. All these free-wheeling, bird killing, other cat f*&%ing terrorists are ruining my lawn.
What’s next, will he release a bunch of Obamacoyotes to kill the Obamacats??
When the Obamarapture comes, where will you be?
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:53 am
Erwin: Sorta like the Bush Tax Cuts aka as the Obama extensions?…which you refuse to link to Obama?
I refuse to call them “Obama’s Tax Cuts.” That’s a far cry from a simple admission of his signature on a deal where the Republicans just had to have that extension in order for Democrats to get just about everything else they wanted. From my perspective, it’s conservatives who are trying to distance themselves from Bush and who know the tax cuts were bad, so they are trying to place Obama’s name on them and force this idea that “Bush isn’t President so we can’t talk about him anymore.”
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
January 31st, 2012
10:54 am
Can the tea party self deport now?
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
January 31st, 2012
10:54 am
“Bush Tax Cuts aka as the Obama extensions”
Bush cuts lasted like 10 years…no one refutes Obama extended them.
WrteStufLA
January 31st, 2012
10:55 am
@Normal (8:06am)
I’m scratching my head, trying to process just how your Big Brother was also your First Cousin … So far, all I can think is “Of course — KENTUCKY.” Care to provide some clarity?
ragnar danneskjold
January 31st, 2012
10:56 am
Dear Adam @ 10:53, you will be horrified that I broadly agree with your post. They are definitely the Bush Tax Cuts, that Obama reluctantly agreed to renew (mommy, they made me jump off the cliff.) There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.
TBone
January 31st, 2012
10:56 am
At this point in the game, you guys don’t have much of a choice but to prop this Nobel Piece(as in body parts) Prize winner up.
ITS ALL BUSHS FAULT
January 31st, 2012
10:57 am
Ask Mitt if the economy is better under Obama.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
10:58 am
ragnar: There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.
Perhaps you would care to show how they encouraged investment in the American economy over their first 8-10 years of implementation?
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
10:58 am
There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.
Define one tax cut that has been proposed that Obama has not supported that you can directly tie to encouraging investment in this country and then we can talk about that.
JKL2
January 31st, 2012
10:58 am
Adam- So what you’re saying is conservative plans to force everyone onto the healthcare insurance rolls doesn’t work?
Romney plan, not a conservative plan. But I’m sure obamacare will work just fine because he’s the smartest man on the planet.
Liberalism: Why let one man suffer when we all can!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 31st, 2012
10:59 am
R. Danneskjold — “Dear Joe @ 10:17, thanks, I should have guessed that you were conjoining unrelated posts in your original note.”
Not in the least. I’m simply holding your feet to the fire in my demand that you detail where ‘doing god’s work,’ which you hailed President Bush for sending our military to do, is listed as a function of government in our Constitution. No conjoining is going on here, just a concerted effort on my part to expose your fundamental dishonesty and hypocrisy.
“The 9:45 note referred to my willingness to refer to the current Oval Office Occupier by such names as “Chosen One” and “Messiah..” To your more substantial inquiry, the Executive Branch has wide latitude to act to protect the American public (e.g., to avoid a repeat of the events of 9/11.)”
That’s not what you contended. You cheered President Bush for using our national military assets to ‘do god’s work.’ Explain where in the Constitution the doing of ‘god’s work’ is detailed as an essential function of government, please.
“Fortunately even democrats were for his intended actions before they were against them, and voted nearly unanimously to grant President Bush all the latitude he needed to punish the evildoers.”
Irrelevant to your earlier contention, and if you meant ‘punish the evildoers,’ then you should have said that. In any event, the members of al-Qaeda responsible for 9/11 were *known* to be in Afghanistan and NOT in Iraq. If ‘punishing evildoers’ were truly President Bush’s objective, then he failed miserably with his poor aim. Afghanistan is at least several hundred miles away from Iraq.
In any event, I await your elaboration on the Constitutionality of sending US military assets to explicitly ‘do god’s work.’ Proceed, please.
JOE Cool (I'm Voting 2x or 3x For MESSIAH OBAMA)
January 31st, 2012
10:59 am
“Ask Mitt if the economy is better under Obama.”
At the rate of making $58,000 a day and being “unemployed”, im sure he’d say yes!
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
10:59 am
Romney plan, not a conservative plan.
The very conservative Heritage Foundation thought up the plan years ago to counter Clinton’s plan.
Jerome Horwitz
January 31st, 2012
10:59 am
Was really looking forward to the WPS season as the Beat had signed four/five players from the US National Team. Hope they can come back in 2013, but, not holding breath.
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2012
10:59 am
“John Adams is fibbing when he says I sold my own children into slavery”
– Thomas Jefferson
Campaigns haven’t changed all that much.
Kamchak
January 31st, 2012
11:02 am
Jay
I believe he is referring to Tim Groseclose’s Left Turn: How Liberal Media Bias Distorts the American Mind.
Fred
January 31st, 2012
11:02 am
ragnar danneskjold
January 31st, 2012
10:50 am
Dear Adam @ 10:47, you are broadly correct. We use the language of the left as a form of mockery, not of Chauncey, but of this slavish minions.
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Horse crap, you uyse the language of your puppet masters, the talk show hosts because you lack the wit to think for your self or come up with your own words or ideas.
You yourself even use the name that came from the deranged mind of an amped up meth head with the morals and character of a 50 cent hooker, Ayn Rand.
Why do you far righties worship drug addicts anyway? Ayn, Rush………
Welcome to the Occupation
January 31st, 2012
11:02 am
ragnar: “.. what part of tirckle-down economics is consistent with Keynesianism? I thought that was why you leftists opposed every Reagan initiative?”
Of course so-called ‘trickle-down’ economics — which has been an abominable failure at anything other than triggering a massive shift in wealth from the low and middle to the top of the economic ladder, oh wait, maybe that was the point? — began under Reagan, when he actually implemented it (he changed courses a couple of times). But my point was in response to your false claim that Keynesianism was still being implemented in earnest under Carter, which is the opposite of the case.
It was really Carter, and not Reagan, who kicked off the anti-Keynesian era in which remain to this day where fiscal austerity took top priority in policy over the Keynesian principle of full employment. If anything, Reagan created a counter-surge against this with his military-fueled budget deficits, continued by Bush II. Democrats like Bill Clinton on the other hand have carried out the post-Keynesian program in the most consistent fashion (showing a willingness to raise taxes somewhat to maintain budgetary balance) and perhaps that’s why we saw such growth under his administration.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
11:04 am
Why do you far righties worship drug addicts anyway? Ayn, Rush………
…..whoever wrote the book of Revelations…….
Doggone/GA
January 31st, 2012
11:04 am
“There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.”
They obviously didn’t poll EVERYONE
Bosch
January 31st, 2012
11:07 am
“There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.”
Bullshyte. Obama is now officially the most tax cuttinest POTUS in modern history, but don’t let facts enter your little fantasy land.
Andrew Sullivan was right……
Bosch
January 31st, 2012
11:07 am
“There is no chance that Obama would ever support tax cuts that might encourage investment in the American economy.”
Bullshyte. Obama is now officially the most tax cuttinest POTUS in modern history, but don’t let facts enter your little fantasy land.
Andrew Sullivan was right……
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2012
11:07 am
No, I don’t have a link to the report. I saw an interview with the guy on the tube. I’ll see if I can find one, if so I will post. However, it does not really matter, does it? Even if I find a link you won’t believe the report. But, if you truly think about it, there is a huge number of voters, probably a very large majority, that vote with little to zero knowledge of what appears routinely here. If they had the facts without the bias there would likely be different outcomes. The particular scientist states it would be a red outcome similar to how Texas votes. I am sure the Left believes it would be quite different.
Bosch
January 31st, 2012
11:07 am
And oops sorry for the double posty thing — new computer…..
Citizen of the World
January 31st, 2012
11:08 am
Those of you who listen to right wing talk radio and watch Fox News surely have noticed that they spend as much or more time warning you about the liberal/elite/mainstream media as they do addressing the issues themselves. Why do you think they do that? To a) keep you from turning to those other outlets for news and information and b) to make sure that when you do, you filter everything through a lens of “this source is not to be trusted.”
Butch Cassidy
January 31st, 2012
11:08 am
““There is a new report by a political scientist that showed if not for media bias the whole country would vote “red.”
Interesting how there is no cite, author or data. Apparently the guy just walked into a Hooters on wing night and said OBAMA SUCKS and then counted everyone who cheered and then blamed the media for the results.
barking frog
January 31st, 2012
11:08 am
Adam, 10:58, the Bush tax cuts removed capital gains taxes on
the first 40,000.00 for incomes under 60,000.00 and all cap gains
on the sale of primary residences where you had lived in at least
2 of last five years thereby fueling the market churn and housing
bubble but generating a lot of earnings in the process, among other
things.
Bosch
January 31st, 2012
11:08 am
“However, it does not really matter, does it?”
Actually, Reb, yes, it does — if you are going to spout off such crazy, it’s good to not base your opinion on the dude on the TV.
getalife
January 31st, 2012
11:09 am
Told ya.
Four more years cons.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
11:09 am
JohnnyReb: Even if I find a link you won’t believe the report.
If Pew Research did it I would definitely think twice about my preconceived notions. For example. Facts are stubborn things.
Granny Godzilla
January 31st, 2012
11:09 am
Bosch
Miss ya when you aren’t here….
Kamchak
January 31st, 2012
11:09 am
Was really looking forward to the WPS season as the Beat had signed four/five players from the US National Team. Hope they can come back in 2013, but, not holding breath.
Yeah, me too. They even had to get a waiver from the U.S. soccer federation for a five team league to be considered a first division league when the requirement is eight. The deal was six teams in 2013 and eight in 2014.
Three seasons seems to be the hurdle for a first division U.S. women’s soccer league.
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
11:10 am
I saw an interview with the guy on the tube.
And the channel you were watching was….?
Adam
January 31st, 2012
11:11 am
barking frog: I’m not seeing the investment in the economy part.
JohnnyReb
January 31st, 2012
11:11 am
There are a few regulars here that take every opportunity to disparage Rick Santorum and think it funny in doing so. I can understand gays being biased against Santorum, but I’m not at all convinced those making the posts are gay. Instead, they just like to belittle the opposition. If this thread is to continue to be a legitimate place for political discord it needs to stop.
Butch Cassidy
January 31st, 2012
11:12 am
Hey, I saw an interview with a guy on tv the other day who claimed he read a report that if it weren’t for the high number of Bigfoot sightings everyone would vote for Romney.
Adam
January 31st, 2012
11:12 am
JohnnyReb: If this thread is to continue to be a legitimate place for political discord it needs to stop.
Heh. Maybe you should take the first step.
Newt's divorce lawyer...........still working
January 31st, 2012
11:13 am
@You-know-its-true
$5Trillion in new debt, please $1.5 is President Obama’s, the rest is from Bush…………remember the 2 false wars…..
ByteMe
January 31st, 2012
11:13 am
I can understand gays being biased against Santorum, but I’m not at all convinced those making the posts are gay. Instead, they just like to belittle the opposition
You won’t understand it so well, but an attack on gays by any politician is an attack on all of us eventually.