Newt vs. The GOP Establishment

Bob Dole, John McCain, Ann Coulter, Elliott Abrams, Tom DeLay, Charles Krauthammer … they’re all coming out with harsh and in some cases bitter attacks against Newt Gingrich.

I can only think of one explanation: They’re all liberals who are trying to sabotage the former speaker because they’re terrified at what Gingrich would do to President Obama in a debate. And they’re doing everything they can to prevent that calamity.

Chris Christie even called Newt “an embarrassment,” which inspired Sarah Palin to advise him not to “get your panties in a wad.”

But you know the Republican establishment is getting serious about taking down Gingrich when they bring out the big guns against him:

voight

“Governor Romney is a man of faith, honor, love, and truth. These are the first very important qualities a president must have. He is strong, honest, and wants to bring the country back to its exceptional place, where we have been for hundreds and hundreds of years, until President Obama decided to follow his father’s footsteps and take us to socialism.”

“I’m sorry to say Speaker Gingrich may fall short in many ways. Please join me to bring in Gov. Mitt Romney as the next President of the United States.”

Yup. That’s Jon Voight, aka Joe Buck, the Midnight Cowboy. Poor Newt never knew what hit him.

– Jay Bookman

741 comments Add your comment

Sam

January 28th, 2012
5:42 pm

Abraham Lincoln 1860, Ronald Reagan 1980, Newt Gingrich 2012.

In each one of these races the establishment Republican Party feared these bold leaders winning the nomination. Newt offers a real bold and conservative message. Romney offers nothing more than lies. If there was an opening, Romney would have run in the Democratic primary. Newt will give this country lower taxes, better heatlhcare, and a safer national defense. Romney will just give us more taxes, more regulations, and a worse economy. Newt’s populism will defeat Romney’s elitism.

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
5:46 pm

Bob Dole, John McCain, Ann Coulter, Elliott Abrams, Tom DeLay, Charles Krauthammer … they’re all coming out with harsh and in some cases bitter attacks against Newt Gingrich.

Looks like support is beginning to coalesce behind Romney.

I’m truly surprised as I was sure that the evangelicals would revolt against this choice.

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
5:48 pm

Weekend bonus Newt bash! OK libs lets try to be original. No more whale references or back of the plane lies. And haven’t you savaged poor Calista about enough, or do you have more insults and derision for her? His daughters are supporting him. Maybe you could find some things to attack them about. I think his parents are dead, but what they hell, you may get some laughs at their expense.

F. Sinkwich

January 28th, 2012
5:49 pm

I wish Mitt would show more passion. I am disgusted and angry about what O’bozo is doing to this country. If Mitt could just demonstrate some of the same, I’d be a lot more comfortable with him.

F. Sinkwich

January 28th, 2012
5:52 pm

“…until President Obama decided to follow his father’s footsteps and take us to socialism.”

Jon nailed this. He is a genius compared to the 99% in Hollywood.

The Position

January 28th, 2012
5:52 pm

Georgia’s white position—anyone for President—dog, cat, horse anything except a Black Man.

td

January 28th, 2012
5:54 pm

This whole situation is not just a battle between Newt, Romney and the establishment but is a real battle between the establishment of the Republican party and the Tea Party as to who will have control of the party.

JamVet

January 28th, 2012
5:55 pm

Jon Voight is a nutjob and a member of the lunatic fringe? Who knew? Who cares?!

And speaking of lunacy, comparing Reagan to Lincoln is nauseating enough, but to throw in that wormy little Newt as well?

Wowzers…

Newt - South Carolina

January 28th, 2012
5:57 pm

Let me just say that I believe the debate we’re going to have with President Obama over the next eight or nine months is the outlining of the two Americas:

Those two choices, I believe, will give the American people a chance to decide permanently whether we want to remain the historic America that has provided opportunity for more people of more backgrounds than any country in history, or whether, in fact, we prefer to become a brand-new, secular, European-style, bureaucratic socialist system.

The America of the Declaration of Independence v. the America of Saul Alinsky; the America of paychecks v. the America of food stamps; the America of Independence v. the America of Dependence; the America of strength in foreign policy v. the America of weakness in foreign policy.

Jay

January 28th, 2012
5:57 pm

You got it wrong, Godless. It’s the Republicans who are picking Newt apart piece by piece. His own are turning on him, and pretty viciously too. As Saint Sarah puts it, the GOP “has adopted the tactics of the left in using the media and the politics of personal destruction to attack an opponent.”

“We need a fair primary that is not prematurely cut short by the GOP establishment using Alinsky tactics to kneecap Governor Romney’s chief rival,” she wrote on her Facebook page.

The rest of us are just amused bystanders.

Jay

January 28th, 2012
5:59 pm

BTW, I tweeted a few days ago that Saul Alinsky is to 2012 what Emmanuel Goldstein was to “1984″. And that keeps being confirmed.

F. Sinkwich

January 28th, 2012
5:59 pm

N – SC nailed it!

Kudos!

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
6:02 pm

Jay, Oh, the Republicans have gone after his personal appearance and his wife? And I thought it was just the peanut gallery on this blog.

F. Sinkwich

January 28th, 2012
6:02 pm

Jay loves Saul. Who knew?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 28th, 2012
6:02 pm

well dang, without Newt as President, we just might never get a moon base in time for Michelle Bachman to be where she belongs.

But interest that Newt will make the Moon a “state” but not the District of Columbia…..

td

January 28th, 2012
6:02 pm

Jay

January 28th, 2012
5:57 pm

Now Jay, you really think the media is totally innocent in this matter? A media that really wanted to educate the pubic about the differences in the candidates would stick to the issues and not ask a lot of the questions that have been asked during the debates.

Lets see just how much they want to stay in the gutter when we get to the general election debates.

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:04 pm

Godless, have you seen any prominent Democrats deploy that tactic, or just anonymous bloggers?

There is a difference, you know.

The Position

January 28th, 2012
6:04 pm

GOP, the rich for the rich.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 28th, 2012
6:06 pm

Well, just because the guy has had three wifes and paid a $300,000 fine for a ethics violation and had the Catholic Church declare his kids B____rds and took more than a million bucks from FannieMae and wants to put a colony on the moon is no reason to be against him. Lots of people go thru times like those. Besides, I know lots of people I want to send to live on the moon.

Anyhow, I’m downright worried tonight. I saw that AmVet jumped on Matti’s invite to meet at the state capital like a lizard on a june bug. He’s probly spoiling her rotten and there goes my plans to ask her to meet for a RC and moon pie.

So I guess I’ll just head up to Billy Bob’s and have a extra PBR to drown my sorrows. Don’t forget to go to church tomorrow in the a.m. and make sure it’s a Christian church, not a Mormon temple or a Catholic place. Have a good night everybody.

td

January 28th, 2012
6:06 pm

The Position

January 28th, 2012
6:04 pm

GOP, the rich for the rich.

Myth. There is more money from Wall street going to Obama and the Dems then are going to the Republicans.

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
6:07 pm

“BTW, I tweeted a few days ago that Saul Alinsky is to 2012 what Emmanuel Goldstein was to 1984. ”

I thought that was George Bush.

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:10 pm

Myth. There is more money from Wall street going to Obama and the Dems then are going to the Republicans.

So Wall Street’s backing the Marxist, td?

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
6:11 pm

Jay: I believe it was obvious that I was speaking about bloggers on this blog, not prominent Democrats or Republicans, unless they are anonymous bloggers on this blog and that we don’t know because they are ……… anonymous.

td

January 28th, 2012
6:12 pm

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:04 pm

“Godless, have you seen any prominent Democrats deploy that tactic,”

Who do you call a “Prominent Democrats”? Barney Frank? Al Sharpton? Many other Senate and House of Rep Dems deploy these tactics everyday on MSNBC. Do any of them count in you definition?

Alinsky -- BTW

January 28th, 2012
6:12 pm

[Peter Ferrara] …President Obama is not only a follower of Saul Alinsky, and literally a practitioner of his strategies and tactics for the radical socialist takeover of America. After graduation from Harvard Law School, Obama was an instructor of fellow Marxist comrades in the Alinsky philosophy and methodology of social manipulation for the radical Marxist organization ACORN.

The American people need to know this, and all about Alinsky, to make an informed decision on whether to vote for Obama for reelection. That vote would represent a fundamental rejection of America, and all it has stood for since 1776.

America has long been the land of world leading prosperity, a true workers’ paradise. But the real point of Obama’s State of the Union last night was that all of that has to change now, because America is “unfair,” in the Alinsky/Marxist worldview.

Let’s give the President credit where credit is due. Obama is a very sophisticated Marxist philosopher, combining the highly advanced social manipulation tactics of Alinsky with careful, long developed insights in how to craft a modern, neo-Marxist message to sell to a majority of modern America. This is what we heard in last night’s State of the Union. The real question this year is whether this generation of Americans can be duped into trashing the greatest, most prosperous, most successful nation in the history of the world, for a retrograde Marxist vision that thoroughly failed throughout the last century, and which the rest of the world has learned through hard experience is confused to the point of practical silliness. This only indicates how much deep trouble America is in, with Obama as President, and his philosophy and worldview having taken over the modern Democrat party…

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:13 pm

really td? They attack Callista’s appearance and Newt’s weight?

md

January 28th, 2012
6:13 pm

If the man can make an Angelina, he’s OK in my book………….

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
6:17 pm

td

January 28th, 2012
6:17 pm

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:10 pm

Social Democrat Jay. They understand that Obama will still protect there interest while they are making there money and they do not care about the next generation.

md

January 28th, 2012
6:18 pm

Wall St? Folks need to understand they are the biggest casino in the country……and are putting their chips on red AND black(blue).

bman

January 28th, 2012
6:18 pm

i thought Romney was the money leader among the wall street gang?

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
6:19 pm

i thought Romney was the money leader among the wall street gang?

He is.

td

January 28th, 2012
6:19 pm

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:13 pm

really td? They attack Callista’s appearance and Newt’s weight?

Do you really not watch the Al Sharpton show or the Ed Shultz show? You should tune in sometimes.

josef

January 28th, 2012
6:20 pm

AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater

January 28th, 2012
6:21 pm

Did anyone ask Sarah what kind of panties she thinks Chris Christie wears? For all she knows, he goes commando. (EWWWWWWWW!)

Leroy Gingrich is a despicable human being. That is why he was run out of Washington – by the Republicans – last time. He is a total fraud. A con-man in the same league as Pat Robertson. A neo-con’s neo-con.

He’s a campaigning zombie who is already dead but wonders around as though he is alive and relevant.

And outside of the far right extremes his unfavorable numbers are bigger than Stone Mountain.

But he would make an excellent George W. Bush II.

To which the country says, “No thanks”.

And even though I do miss the equally buffoonish Herman, I do love that Naughty Newtie is in this race. Who better to illustrate the acceptable depravity and sheer desperation of the GOP?

md

January 28th, 2012
6:22 pm

Uh….those big banks are not Wall St……..but if one wants to use Charlotte as the center of the universe……by all means do.

The guys on the street operate a bit differently than the others although the line has certainly blurred lately.

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:23 pm

No td, I watch none of those shows, including the Sunday talk shows. No interest in the least.

td

January 28th, 2012
6:23 pm

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
6:17 pm

Obama Tops GOP Candidates in Wall Street Donations

New figures show President Obama continues to pull in huge donations from the financial sector, with more money from Wall Street this year than all other Republican presidential candidates combined. According to the Washington Post, Obama has raised a total of $15.6 million from banks and other financial firms, with nearly $12 million of that going to the Democratic National Committee. Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney has raised less than half that much from Wall Street, around $7.5 million. A top banking executive and Obama fundraiser told the Washington Post that reports of Wall Street antagonism toward Obama “are exaggerated and overblown … [but] it probably helps from a political perspective if he’s not seen as a Wall Street guy.”
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Brosephus

January 28th, 2012
6:26 pm

A media that really wanted to educate the pubic about the differences in the candidates would stick to the issues and not ask a lot of the questions that have been asked during the debates.

You mean media outlets like USA Today and The Washington Post when they reported on gas and other refined products being the top US export in terms of dollars, yet people still try to blame Obama for the rise in gas costs???? They ARE reporting it, but the jackass choir in the US is singing too loud to hear what’s being reported.

AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater

January 28th, 2012
6:26 pm

Kam, re your 6:17, hopefully that will shut up these suddenly concerned Republicans feigning outrage about the topic.

Now they can go right back to where they have always been – playing stupid to perfection as the GOP resumes it historical role as the BIGGEST pig at the corporate trough…

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:27 pm

td, that story dates back to October.

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
6:28 pm

josef

January 28th, 2012
6:30 pm

“Fly me to the moon.”
–Thomas Jefferson

josef

January 28th, 2012
6:33 pm

ZamVet

“…as the GOP resumes it historical role as the BIGGEST pig at the corporate trough…”

Slopping merrily since 1856….

td

January 28th, 2012
6:35 pm

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:27 pm

td, that story dates back to October.

It appears that the only large newspaper sources are dated to October and none of them have more recent information. There is NY Times story dated October that confirms the WP story.

AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater

January 28th, 2012
6:43 pm

josef, let’s reverse roles as I become the critic.

Though it has been a very long time since I’ve seen that film, I did not care for it at all. Depressing, confusing and overrated.

But that Nilsson song was OK…

(How’d I do?!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPi4dOPKBFQ

josef

January 28th, 2012
6:44 pm

Listening to the moral absolutists’ newly found sliding scale is about one of the funniest and most entertaining thing I’ve seen in a long while…but as for those now coming out disavowing the Dog Third…sleep with dogs and wake up with fleas…

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
6:45 pm

Kam,

Vengeful Dems filed 84 ethics charges against Newt. He was absolved of 83 and was found to have violated 1 rule by using a political consultant to develop the Republican legislative agenda.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/govt/leadership/stories/101198.htm

He left the Speaker’s position as a result of bad results in the election of 1998.

md

January 28th, 2012
6:46 pm

Seems to me both sided of that story are old if one is complaining about October……

Pawlenty and “first 3 quarters of 2011″ should be a hint……which should make it pre-October….

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
6:48 pm

Midnight Cowboy must be about the best known movie I have never seen. I guess I need to netflix it.

AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater

January 28th, 2012
6:48 pm

I know Newt went all Jimmy Swaggert and “asked for forgiveness” sometime back, but about the only Biblical phrase I can think of for him is something about the jawbone of an ass…

Jay

January 28th, 2012
6:48 pm

Sorry, Godless. That was a plea bargain.

You don’t pay a $300,000 fine out of your own pocket and accept the one and only reprimand ever assessed against a sitting speaker because you were guilty of one technical violation.

josef

January 28th, 2012
6:49 pm

ZamVet

Definitely in agreement with you there…I detested the film then, tried to watch it again not long ago and detest it even more now. Went ga-ga over the Nilsson then, and still play it regularly when in a certain frame of mind…

Doggone/GA

January 28th, 2012
6:51 pm

“Midnight Cowboy must be about the best known movie I have never seen. I guess I need to netflix it”

Don’t waste your time. You haven’t missed anything.

AmVet - “A lot of so-called conservatives don’t know what the word means." ~Barry Goldwater

January 28th, 2012
6:52 pm

josef, Nilsson had a way with “over the top” kind of songs, as I refer to them. But he did hang out with the Beatles…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAX1rkdzUH4

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
6:55 pm

“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster by your side, kid.”
–Thomas Jefferson

Doggone/GA

January 28th, 2012
6:56 pm

“Nilsson had a way with “over the top” kind of songs”

Nilsson had a way with ALL kinds of songs!

Sammy

January 28th, 2012
6:57 pm

I want Romney, a guy who doesnt need to use the office to charge back his vacations to the taxpayer. Newt will implode if he debares Obama, cause Obama knows no restraint on the bs he spreads.

md

January 28th, 2012
6:58 pm

Good read on the situation across the pond that folks here should be paying attention to:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lagarde-sees-euro-zone-progress-100706610.html

But Germany doesn’t sound too convinced about it having to do the heavy lifting……but that’s what happens when some spend above their means with no accountability…….others always get to make up the difference. (And yes, works in reverse too a la the street)

kayaker 71

January 28th, 2012
6:58 pm

I think that the Republican establishment would be just as happy with a win in the House and Senate and giving he presidency again to Bozo. That’s where the power and money resides. Newt never was one of the guys….. Many of the establishment types don’t really want the policies that Newt is pushing. This is really a battle for control of the Republican party, not who will be the next president of the US.

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
6:59 pm

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
6:45 pm

Kam,

Vengeful Dems filed 84 ethics charges against Newt. He was absolved of 83 and was found to have violated 1 rule by using a political consultant to develop the Republican legislative agenda.

So?

md

January 28th, 2012
7:03 pm

“International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde led a global push on Saturday for the euro zone to boost its financial firewall, saying “if it is big enough it will not get used.”"

Boy will it suck if she is wrong on that one……….it gets used, 2008 will seem like a walk in the park.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 28th, 2012
7:03 pm

hmmmm…vengeful dems….. wondering why they had venge…. couldn’t have been the witchhunt that Republicans had been on.

godless heathen

January 28th, 2012
7:06 pm

Kam, Just the facts, Facts that are being spun to sound much worse than they were. He used a political consultant to form policy. That was the horrible, horrible thing he did. Do you think Obama has never used a political consultant to form policy?

Jay: Take it up with the Wash Post.

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
7:07 pm

Kam, Just the facts, Facts that are being spun to sound much worse than they were.

What the hell are you talking about?

td

January 28th, 2012
7:08 pm

Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 28th, 2012
7:03 pm

hmmmm…vengeful dems….. wondering why they had venge…. couldn’t have been the witchhunt that Republicans had been on.

Nope. Prior to 1994 the Republicans had not controled the US house for 54 years. They were just like today’s Dems in the Georgia legislature, totally ignored and irrelevant to the debate at hand.

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
7:10 pm

“I must have killed more men than Cecil B. DeMille. ”
–Thomas Jefferson

Jay

January 28th, 2012
7:13 pm

“I think that the Republican establishment would be just as happy with a win in the House and Senate and giving he presidency again to Bozo.”

Surrendering so soon? I think it’s too early for that.

ShazamVet

January 28th, 2012
7:17 pm

Newt never was one of the guys…

Even though he was only number two in the United States presidential line of succession?

Newt Gingrich, Robert Walker, Trent Lott, Vin Weber, and others were often referred to as the “Young Turks”…

A real outsider.

Iran-Contra, South Africa, Guatemala, Argentina, Mozambique, Noriega and pretty much every right wing dictator and murderous thug around the globe got arms and money from these jerkoffs. Innumerable innocents slaughtered.

The would be McCarthys were screw ups then, they’re screw ups now.

And even the dishonor Leroy later suffered, has apparently taught the man no humility.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 28th, 2012
7:21 pm

Well, way back there I watched that Midnight Cowboy movie and I come away feeling like I’d flushed four bucks down the toilet. All I can recall is some guy getting on a bus and going to NYC and meeting up with this creepy guy with a bad cough. I never did figure out what the guy did for a living. Anyhow, I woke up to see that the creepy guy kicked the bucket and that’s about it. I was mighty grateful the movie was over. Either the creepy guy died or I would—of boredom. Anyway, I ain’t no movie critic but I thought I’d give you my opinion. Time to get back to the PBR and the guys.

Your Party SUCKS........But My Party is GRRRRRREAT!!!! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 28th, 2012
7:21 pm

josef, what would be a good resource to use to trace my family history? I mean all the way back to Africa.

josef

January 28th, 2012
7:22 pm

ZamVet
(though I’m rather fond of the ShaZamVet!)

“And even the dishonor Leroy later suffered, has apparently taught the man no humility.”

Well, as Charles Blow so aptly put it…

“Gingrich is a virtual supernova of megalomaniacal madness.”

md

January 28th, 2012
7:33 pm

“A real outsider. ”

Listening to those that served with him, he became the outsider after he became god of the House.

According to them, it became my way or the highway……..ego’s feed off power……I can see some of that now too.

ShazamVet

January 28th, 2012
7:34 pm

Ronald Reagan was the greatest of all the modern political frauds, in my opinion. I don’t think anybody has even been in his league. A thespian so powerful that he convinced a substantial number of people that he was the leader of a “problem”, but was to be trusted for noting so. Really, what a genius. I guess the irony that he was such a problem is lost on many.

Leroy was just his court jester…

We need to explore the relationship between incivility and governance. The ability to govern should be the hallmark of how we gauge congressional performance. How well are the members upholding their oath to defend the Constitution and how well are they performing their duties under Article 1 of the Constitution? What happens when we elect members of Congress who are basically anti-government?

This has been a trend since President Reagan declared that “Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem.” Members from previous generations had respect for Congress as a constitutional institution. They respected its traditions, mores, and rules. Polarized, highly-partisan members today are less interested in learning the rules and traditions. They too often see these as impediments rather than as tools for governing. Members can not only be uncivil to one another but to the very institution of Congress.

http://hnn.us/articles/incivility-and-dysfunction-congress-national-crisis

Midori

January 28th, 2012
7:39 pm

kayaker 71

January 28th, 2012
7:46 pm

“Surrendering so soon”? ….. Nope. I am just not an establishment Republican. I am a true conservative, not a moderate. I believe in solid conservative values and love of country above most anything else. The Republican insiders want the power and money but really don’t want to change the status quo, despite all of the rhetoric to the opposite. They don’t mind having some government hack telling them what kind of light bulbs to use or what to feed your kid at school as long as they can get re-elected and maintain the most important thing afloat….. power. A true conservative is a threat to them. There is little difference between the power elite in either party. As long as they maintain control of the system, I really don’t think either of them gives a tinker’s damn who wins.

ShazamVet

January 28th, 2012
7:47 pm

These guys played some of the acoustic guitar parts on Harrison’s All Things Must Pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXE-u8ILjOU

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

January 28th, 2012
7:50 pm

They don’t mind having some government hack telling them what kind of light bulbs to use or what to feed your kid at school as long as they can get re-elected and maintain the most important thing afloat….. power.

Well, amen to that. Those new light bulbs don’t give off the light of a flashlight. And as for controlling what the kids eat, I want grits and sausage gravy and stuff like that as a choice the kids can make. Cut a real Southrener open and sausage gravy will start running out.

td

January 28th, 2012
7:52 pm

md

January 28th, 2012
7:33 pm

“A real outsider. ”

Listening to those that served with him, he became the outsider after he became god of the House.

According to them, it became my way or the highway……..ego’s feed off power……I can see some of that now too.

It all depends on what his way was. If it was to stand up for conservative values then I applaud the efforts. If you look at the history of what happened after Newt left it is pretty clear that the establishment Republicans wanted to become big money spenders for their causes and not rely on conservative values.

Brosephus

January 28th, 2012
7:53 pm

Your Party SUCKS

Start with the National Archives. You should be able to go back a few generations within your tree. Believe it or not, ancestry.com is not a bad place to look either. Between state and national archives and ancestry.com, I have a cousin who’s traced our tree back to the 1790’s. She even found the name of the ship on which he came over. Beyond that, I think one has to go for DNA mapping. Another good source is LDS, that is, if they’ll let you peruse their records. I don’t know if they can trace the Africa side though.

Doggone/GA

January 28th, 2012
7:55 pm

” If it was to stand up for conservative values then I applaud the efforts”

So…you haven’t even bothered to find out for sure. You’re just guessing.

josef

January 28th, 2012
7:55 pm

Formal Black Guy…

It can look like a daunting process in the beginning…there are some good resources available and give me a little time. The best place to start for digging into the various records would be via any of the reputable genealogy sites (ancestry.com, etc) which have links to sites specializing in such…

Believe it or not, once you start tracing by names, the LDS resources are really good and easy to use. They have their records on-line.

At the personal level, you will want to start with the data you have at hand or can get to. Go to the oldest living relatives in whichever line you are researching. Ask them who was who that they remember either personally or by family oral tradition. What you are looking for is name and birthplace. Let’s say it’s your dad’s line you want to trace first (most people do, sexists that we are AND the facility of a surname that doesn’t change). Go to the oldest relatives in that line. Get them to tell you who their, say grand fathers or great grandfathers were and where they were born. Such records as church and cemetery documents come into play there.

For Black Americans once you move beyond the 1870 Census, you have to begin looking into the “white family” records if yours is a slave ancestry…free people of color are more easily traced via the standard resources. Though many slaves did have pre-emancipation surnames, not all did. The 1850 and 1860 census did record slaves by name, but it was often a first name only. The slave schedules are more complete.

So (watch the hackles raise here!) let’s say your surname is Nix and you know that your family is from Central Alabama. Once you have traced your surnamed line back to 1870 and know the locale, say Bibb County, Alabama, checking against the 1860 census records, you will find that there were some five slave owning Nix families in the area. Taking the given name of that particular Nix ancestor, locate which of the slave-owning Nixes he was property of. Then use the slave sale records to trace the origin of that property, paying attention to the point of sale. So, let’s say that you get the line back to the 1790s in Georgia and find that it came to Georgia from Virginia with properties from Virginia…then you would go to the Virginia records…which would indicate the time the Virginia Nixes in that line entered into the slave labor economy. This, in turn, would give you an indication of the point of arrival (most likely in this case, Baltimore) and from there while you most likely are going to hit a snag in the actual line per se, you will be able to get a point of origin in Africa.

This is the general scheme. Each line is going to hold its own surprises and dead ends. You can get a pretty clear picture back to the early 1800s and, depending on the “white family’s” background, even further. You just have to take it step at a time and not give up. And there’s going to be a lot of dead white men and dead Indians in the woodpile!

josef

January 28th, 2012
7:56 pm

BROSEPHUS

Good you’re here…I was going to refer you as a resource but didn’t want to go telling your bidness! :-)

Common Sense isn't very Common

January 28th, 2012
8:00 pm

Can’t say anything about Newt’s weight or Calista?

Hell those are the best things about that carpetbagging, egotistical, lying, cheating, scum sucking blowhard.

ShazamVet

January 28th, 2012
8:02 pm

And Brocephus (not Josephus) loved the Muttley laugh earlier.

Fo’ schnizzle my nizzle. ~Thomas Jefferson

Curious Observer

January 28th, 2012
8:05 pm

Former Black Guy: josef gives good advice, but be cautious when relying on what you’re told by relatives. All my older relatives assured me that my great, great, great grandfather was “shot out of a tree by Indians and died.” I later found his name in a census as living with a grandson while at age 78. Unless he was an inveterate, very old tree-climber, he obvious wasn’t killed by Indians.

md

January 28th, 2012
8:05 pm

Was hoping to see pics of Matti and Am dancing on the courthouse steps…….but can’t find anything in the ajc……..

josef

January 28th, 2012
8:10 pm

Curious

Yeah. Like great grandpappy who was “involved in railroads and ancilliary interests.” Among the latter a “boarding house catering to railroad executives,” i.e. a ho-house, but hey, it was a high class joint…we’re uppity you know…

Another one according to the blue-haired biddies, “died and was buried on Barbados where he had shipping interests…” He did that, all right! He was a bona fide pirate!

carlosgvv

January 28th, 2012
8:12 pm

“Gov. Romney is a man of faith, honor, love and truth”

And, this good humble Christian has made millions and millions of Big Business dollars.

His motto is:

“I love my Church but business is business”

ShazamVet

January 28th, 2012
8:16 pm

Very interesting topic brought up by the blogger formerly known as That Black Guy.

Good luck in your search.

I found out about my bio dad only eight years ago. My older brother got interested and so, by proxy, me. I know he died in a VA Hospital in Ardmore. Served in the US Navy and US Air Force. And a few other details about his parents in Arkansas.

Life is a trip, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho_t-_EcMTg&feature=related

Brosephus

January 28th, 2012
8:17 pm

Your Party SUCKS

Another thing that helped us out was written family records. If grandma or great-grandma had a family Bible that’s still around, that is one VERY invaluable resource as many births in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s were not recorded anywhere other than the family Bible.

If you can find a central family burial site, that’s another area to help connect the dots. You’ll need a family elder who’s familiar with the names to get you started making the connections.

josef

No problem with that. Nobody’s putting their mitts on that Bible. My family is one that clings to it’s guns and it’s religion, and we are armed to the teeth. :)

Curious Observer

January 28th, 2012
8:17 pm

I’ve encountered that too, josef. All my relatives, including my paternal grandparents, spoke repeatedly of a landowner-relative named Cordy Wethered. Research showed that his name was Valencourt McClung, the product of an illicit affair between the county sheriff and one of my less chaste ancestors. You’re likely to encounter a lot of covering-up of information that older relatives don’t want you to know.

Brosephus

January 28th, 2012
8:18 pm

AmVet

I save that laugh for the sillies… I also found it’s better to laugh as opposed to facepalming all the time. I’m less likely to give myself a concussion from laughing. :)

md

January 28th, 2012
8:18 pm

Uh Oh……..

http://news.yahoo.com/college-presidents-wary-obama-cost-control-plan-090632884.html

Me thinks the folks on the intellectual gravy train aren’t too thrilled…….maybe if the tenured faculty didn’t write their own textbooks and charge $300 per book per semester costs wouldn’t be so high…

josef

January 28th, 2012
8:21 pm

Kamchak

January 28th, 2012
8:22 pm

“Was you ever bit by a dead bee?”
–Thomas Jefferson

ShazamVet

January 28th, 2012
8:23 pm

Laughter is the best medicine, buddy.

And I’m getting a little bit buzzed from these…

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/220/49789

Jm

January 28th, 2012
8:23 pm

Yeah Romney

Kick some a$$

Prosperity for all

Brosephus

January 28th, 2012
8:26 pm

Curious Observer

Whew!!!! Talking about the cover ups?? There’s many a tale to be found…

josef

January 28th, 2012
8:26 pm

Formal Black Guy

How could I have missed this…check out Alex Haley’s writing on the subject vis a vis his research for “Roots” The Patriarch of African heritage genealogy…