When the bluster fades, this is Newt Gingrich

I didn’t watch last night’s umpteenth Republican presidential debate.

But if you MUST torture yourself….:

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule/

Videos of each and every previous debate. Oh lordie….

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The myth that only Newt can stand up to Obama in a debate is gone. Gone forever.

Newt finished 3 in two straight 4 man debates.

Obama will have Newt skinned and gutted in 30 minutes.

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I made the mistake of turning to that crap. I would have been better off running full speed into a brick wall head first.

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“Gingrich again shrank from the confrontation.”

He was repeatedly called out on his distortions and innuendo.

It did seem to me that more than once, when Romney was lashing him, that Newt had the smirk of a guilty boy who got caught. When Newt accused Romney of profiting off Fannie/Freddie, Romney explained blind trust arrangements, how mutual funds are comprised of many investments, how he loaned money to Fannie/Freddie while Newt took money, and finally, he asked ‘have you looked at your own investment?”

Newt: ‘oops, he caught me” smirk, followed by Romney saying “you bought funds invested in Fannie and Freddie.”

When it came to bullying reporters, Wolf was prepped. Newt should know when you attack the same way time after time, the opposition will adjust. Newt complained about what Blitzer asked and Blitzer said “you are the one who made it an issue this week, Mr. Speaker.”

Newt is revealed for what he is. And it ain’t presidential.

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I loved the look on Newts face when Romney countered on the whole Fannie/Freddie investment charge. I think we’ve found Newts weakness – FACTS

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Romney finally took it to Gingrich…It was by far romney’s strongest performance. After the “investments” question, newt practically waved the white flag.

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“I made the mistake of turning to that crap.”

synopsis: democrat voter not likey GOP debate.

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“Thursday afternoon, the LA Times reported that Romney’s tax returns listed 23 funds and partnerships that did not appear on Mitt Romney’s personal financial statements — the disclosure forms candidates are required by federal law to file with the Federal Elections Commission.”

Why are republicans so dishonest?

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I didn’t watch long enough to see all that. When I heard the candidates ripping Obama for not creating any jobs in this economy, I knew the jackassery was in full swing for all the saps to suck it up. How could Obama be responsible for not creating any jobs when, according to GOP rhetoric, the government can not create jobs? That’s like holding me responsible for not winning the Daytona 500 when I don’t even drive a racecar. Yet, the GOP faithful eat that sh*t up without even blinking at the obvious disconnect.

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I soooooooooo wanted to see an Obama-Gingrich debate though.Sigh.

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The “Newt is the smartest guy ever who’s going to dismantle Obama one-on-one” contingent are a little late arriving today.

They’re still drinking heavily after seeing that debate.

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It appears voters may come to the conclusion that both Mitt and Newt have too many liabilities. Santorum is the most non-compromised candidate but without funding will not be able to win the nominationn. However the continued split in state outcomes could produce a brokered convention. We could have a nominee not currently in the running.

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“I’m looking for a reason to not vote for Obama.”

yeah, sure you are…let me guess, you’re also “dating morgan fairchild…yeah, that’s the ticket”

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Romney even scored a few points in an unexpected direction last night — he actually proved he could think on his feet somewhat. At one point when beginning to talk about his wife as possible first lady he appeared to step on Ron Paul’s toes, but just in time he realized and apologized for sounding rude. It was one of the first times I’ve ever seen him be genuinely spontaneous without fumbling which scored him a few points I think.

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JohnnyReb: “We could have a nominee not currently in the running.”

I don’t know about that. It appears the GOP establishment is perfectly fine with Romney at the end of the day. Do you not think the Tea Party faction will come around?

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There was another debate! What did they talk about this time. Did they all agree that catsup is a vegetable and that the debt can be paid off onced we eliminate all taxes on the job creators and fully deregulate them so they can legally trickle down in our drinking water and blow smoke up our atmosphere, etc.

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I seem to have asked the wrong question the last few days…

It’s not Did Romney pay ANY taxes in 2008….it should be

Did Romney pay ANY taxes in 2009?

mmmm

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Recon: My point was that the idea that Obama is killing jobs with his policies is nonsense, if jobs keep getting created. “It’s too slow, we would do better” is also an argument that doesn’t work from the right.

And also, let’s not kid ourselves – 22 months is longer than the House Republicans have been in office or even started significantly running for office. They also cannot pass anything without the Senate also passing it and the President signing it. So they are not responsible.

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Brosephus: Where did I state that?

You didn’t. Others have. Sorry, didn’t mean to make it seem like I was saying you said that.

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I’m going to try to watch it over the weekend, but I just couldn’t watch it last night due to an emergency at work. That being said, I probably wouldn’t have watched it last evening anyhow, because I was bushed to start with. But it sounds like I missed quite a show.

Jay — ““Gingrich is a bully who backs down when confronted”

True, and has been so for years. I just didn’t recognize it when I moved here and subsequently voted for him. If you bloody a bully’s nose, he usually gets the message and backs the eff off.

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Just re-elect Barry Soetoro, the annoited one and then we can all go pick cotton on the south White House Lawn….how about sone real indepth look at Barry and crowd..he was never vetted and this racist country voted for him due to his dark complextion…shame on all of you. Check out who [paid for his expensive college, wgo paid for his trips overseas while in the expensive college, check out his youth between Indonesia, Kennya, and Hawaii, how did he really win his first election after digging up and broadcasting rumored dirt on his appointent, check out his relationship with Sinclair, and the rest of his buddies. Ask why he has ignored the Constitution whil in office or why he never voted but present when in the Senate. Ask why the FBI purchased two million dollar busses from Canada for his use that have seemed to have been used one time..no Jay, lets beat up on the republicans but not the annoited one…time to vet all the candidates and request the electorial college to find someone who is worthy.

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“My point was that the idea that Obama is killing jobs with his policies is nonsense, if jobs keep getting created”

They know this, but the talking heads feel that the repetition of such will lead them to victory. I actually respect the CONs that do speak on the growth of jobs and the growth of the economy, They will still say “it’s not enough” etc, but at least being honest in the facts goes a long way in my book.

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Newt’s best moment was in describing Callista’s qualifications
for first lady. I thought he was going to cry. He should have
been a lawyer. He could give Johnny Cochran a run for his
money. With money he will hammer Romney for a while
and rehabilatate himself into a large slice of the Republican
Party.

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Republicans are beginning to think that maybe Herman Cain was there best candidate.

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well done Cosby, you got all the loony talking points in to paragraph

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Cosby – “….how about sone real indepth look at Barry and crowd..he was never vetted”

Have you written to the GOP and voiced your concerns for their apparent lack of research PRIOR to Obama being elected?

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Okay, who’s going to be Romney’s running mate?

I’ve been saying for months that *if* Romney wins the nomination — and it looks increasingly likely that he will, in fact, win it — then I think he’s got to pick someone with some fundie *and* wingnut cred in order to shore up support from evangelicals and from the wackadoo side of the party (to ensure that they don’t try to do a Paul or Palin write-in campaign).

With that in mind, I think that people like Bachmann, Santorum and Jindal are all possibilities. But there may be other Congressmen, Senators and Governors who might get considered. Maybe someone like Tom Price or Phil Gingrey from here in the metro. Or another player on the national stage, like Sam Brownback or Tom Coburn.

What do you think? Who’s Romney considering?

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C’mon Newwwwt
He’s brilliant
He’s a perfessor or something
He would smoke Hopey in a debate
He’s the only conservative!
He’s the family values candidate!

Let’s don’t abandon our principles, assuming we have any.

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The figurehead in the White House hasn’t produced anything other than confusion. He promises more than he can deliver and is an expert at selling snake oil.

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Jack – “The figurehead in the White House hasn’t produced anything other than confusion. He promises more than he can deliver and is an expert at selling snake oil.”

Well then you better rub your magic beads or call Orly Taitz so you two can support each other when Obama wins another 4 years.

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When it comes to snake oil, I vote romney…

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Adam, I’ll second that. It would be great to see zero unemployment but of course that would be impossible.

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It is a shame Romney wasn’t the candidate last time, and I intend to do what I can to make sure he is this time, and that he gives Obama the whipping he deserves. We have a pathetic economy, no budget at all, for years, insignificant “growth”, and a debt that is escalating beyond anyone’s wildest imagination. Obama’s platitudes and just plain bs just don’t cut it anymore.

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“Gingrich is a bully who backs down when confronted”

So he’s one of those “he can dish it out but can’t take it” types. I hate those types of people.

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Romney should pick Paul Broun so he can ward off the evil and guarantee an easy victory. Give me a H. Give me a A. Give me a I. Give me a L. Give me a M-A-R-Y. Don’t leave home without it. After all, McCain has set a precedent.

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Joe – “Okay, who’s going to be Romney’s running mate?”

Yes, I too believe it will have to be “He” and a fat white Southern
snake-handler with that Mrs Dash touch of latent racism.

It will be Haley Barbour

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Granny

The taxes issue. Mr. Strategic Thinker was rather muddled – walked into it, again, when he derided Romney for his 15% tax rate and – was it Blitzer? – who noted “Mr. Speaker, under your tax reform plan Gov Romney would pay zero taxes.”

Newt gave a short, mealy-mouthed reply that was along the lines of “that depends on how you define capital gains” (channeling “that depends on the definition of ‘is’ – too funny!)

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I am sure he paid exactly what the law requires him to pay. Why do we have to make this personal. I wonder if Obama paid his fair share?

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Jack

“The figurehead in the White House hasn’t produced anything other than confusion. He promises more than he can deliver and is an expert at selling snake oil.”

What, you’d be happier if we still had our servicemen and women still getting their legs blown off and killed in Iraq?

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Byteme

I doubt it. Some people are gonna believe what they want to and ignore the rest, regardless of what the truth states.

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The fact that Gingrich has managed to come this far and get this many votes speaks to the general decline of the Republican Party. When you combine this with a large mentally warped Tea Party base, you either have a Party definitely going downhill and/or an electorate that has reached an all-time low in dumbing down. A third party is looking more and more like a certainty.

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I would rather have every hair on my body plucked by Jocelyn Wildenstein who was wearing nothing but pasties and a thong while listening to Chumbawamba’s “Tub Thumping” than watch a Republican primary debate, but I did find this exchange in an article from the NY Times:

“When Mr. Gingrich pressed Mr. Romney for having investments in Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and with Goldman Sachs, “which is today foreclosing on Floridians,” Mr. Romney was ready with an attack of his own.

“Mr. Speaker, I know that sounds like an enormous revelation, but have you checked your own investments?” he asked. “You also have investments for mutual funds that also invest in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

Effectively shut down, Mr. Gingrich turned grim and said meekly, “All right.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/27/us/politics/a-grueling-day-on-the-stump-then-a-debate.html?_r=1&ref=politics

That made me giggle.

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I did like the way Santourm handled Mitt on his RomneyCare program. Mitt found himself in a box where he applauded RomneyCare on a state level and bashed ObamaCare on a fed level. I went hard on him about the exact same mandate and Mitt couldnt go anything but give that fake lil smile he does.

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my opinion is that a VP choice will most probably be a Governor or Congressman(Rep. or Sen.) from a swing state.

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“Santorum is the most non-compromised candidate”

Ask Google how “compromised” Santorum is…

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Our President will need a new Secretary of State and Treasurer in his second term.

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Granny

“He had to have taken a big hit…..How did he deal with it taxwise?”

For an amount that size, I think it a safe bet the elections commission and the IRS took more than a passing glance at what his tax accountants did -

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Paul

I’m quite sure what he did was legal….

It’s the fairness thing.

We all took some hits in 2008 and 2009.

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Mick, my point exactly and will carry into the VP decision of
the final nominee..

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jewcowboy: “You know there are laws against age discrimination, so if you push this too much, you better be careful.”

Which is kind of ironic since he said he would not have voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 was born out of the CRA.

EXACTLY what I was thinking.

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Granny

That’s about the only way I see to make an issue out of it. But… the block to all this tax reform simplification is, for generations Congress has used the tax code to further political goals, pay back supporters and gain support from key groups. Much of this reform would greatly, greatly reduce all that.

And if there are two things that motivate our Congress, it’s Money and Power.

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so if one concedes this “unfairness” cockamamey nonsense, then mitt romney paying what is legally required of him by a tax code which he had nothing to do with crafting, should be held against him?

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Road Scholar: Apparently the criteria for VP is that you could also qualify for President. That means no previous terms as President, over age 35, and natural born citizen. I happen to think he was born in the US but it would be interesting to see how the right handles birther claims lobbed in THEIR direction.

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Road Scholar, the president must be a natural born citizen, the VP must
qualify to be President. Rubio was born here.

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Road Scholar,

Oh no, it is that danged liberal media bias.

In the mind of a con …………..

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Newton looked so pitiful I almost felt bad for him but…nahhh.

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Caustic, bitter, grumpy man.

Sad. Ego can take a person a long long way.

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so, mitt romney is responsible for congressman of both parties not being able to refuse lobbyist’s influence while crafting/extending the tax code?

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When bullies grow old and frail their only victims are themselves. Fear and vulnerability paints warped haggardness upon their skin, and they become as ugly on the outside, as they are within.

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Bullying is the manifestation of an infantile and primitive need to become the leader of the pack.

Newt the modern day bully believes he is a human being, but he is an animal.

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Don’t give up on your man Newt, cons
don’t believe the lamestream media
he’s transformational
and besides, we’re skeered of Newt, yall said so
don’t run out on Newt, cons

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Sad that Democrats focus on Mitt Romneys tax returns when this administration pisses away hundreds of millions on bogus companies… Here’s another Solyndra, we are at almost a cool billion dollars now in wasted money… You won’t hear a Democrat say a word about this, they would rather focus on rich people paying a higher tax rate…

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/electric-car-firm-received-biden-visit-and-118m-stimulus-funds-files-bankruptcy

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USinUK,
I guess this is going on right now, but if you hear of it, please let me know…

Patriotic Millionaire Eric Schoenberg will be on BBC’s ‘World Have Your Say’ Program TV Broadcast tomorrow, Friday at 10 a.m. EST. Eric will be talking about how the world’s wealthiest people can give back to the rest of their society. Bill Gates was featured on the program yesterday along with Chris Kirubi, Kenya’s second richest man, Dr. Robert Kuhn, a wealthy investment banker from New York, and Steven Bell, a hedge fund manager from the UK — reaching an audience of over 300 million people! We are very excited to be a part of this — and I really hope you’ll tune in!

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“Mitt Romney lobbied. Congressmen accepted campaign donations and gifts. In return, they did Mitt Romney and buddies a solid. It’s a perfectly legitimate business relationship, nothing sinister there, right?”

Typical Democrat dillusion…

As if Obama hasn’t done the exact same thing, exactly the same thing…

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WOODSTOCK: You won’t hear a Democrat say a word about this

From the SOTU:

Our experience with shale gas, our experience with natural gas, shows us that the payoffs on these public investments don’t always come right away. Some technologies don’t pan out; some companies fail. But I will not walk away from the promise of clean energy. I will not walk away from workers like Bryan. (Applause.) I will not cede the wind or solar or battery industry to China or Germany because we refuse to make the same commitment here.

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WOODSTOCK: As if Obama hasn’t done the exact same thing, exactly the same thing

Tu quoque fallacies will not help you here.

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(ir)Rational: Or was he supposed to be clairvoyant when he bought his house and know that the market was going to take a dump on him?

Did you see md’s take on this?

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For the second time in his political career, it looks like Newt Gingrich is going to single-handedly revive the re-election prospects of a floundering Democratic president.
If Newt gets the Republican nomination, it’s all over…President Obama will coast to another fours years.

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Doom: I see lots and lots and lots a them wind farms in China!

Someone have a problem with the word “or”? Perhaps instead, you just don’t like the messenger and will say anything you think will get you ZING points?

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Adam – Nope, just got here. Can’t find it either. Was it today?

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Guys – I merely mention that mr. fiscal conservative is not a shining example of his politics. Also, he has missed a few payments, maybe all of us should be writing books…

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C’mon Adam, You are the Zingmeister.

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@David Granger

January 27th, 2012
11:00 am
For the second time in his political career, it looks like Newt Gingrich is going to single-handedly revive the re-election prospects of a floundering Democratic president.
If Newt gets the Republican nomination, it’s all over…President Obama will coast to another fours years.
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That’s RICH.

So Newt will be the reason Obama wins re-election?

What about……..Obama is the best candidate and he has people who still believe in him.

Duh!

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Adam,

Lighten up. I’m just messin with ya and really I’m messing with Obama and his sotu and not really you. I don’t know that China has built a single wind farm. And the reality is that for all his mindless and illogical rhetoric China can produce just about anything cheaper than we can- especially solar panels. Solyndra proves that. We might have better technology but they can reverse engineer very well and when it comes to manufacturing components for wind farms or solar panels quite frankly I don’t see how we can compete with them. With that in mind that part of his speech is just blather.

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Thulsa, easy cowboy! Simmer down.

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MiltonMan… “Obozo”? Morons like you never cease to amaze me. And I bet you think you are clever. Please. Crawl back under your rock.

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no,it’s not “sinister”, but for arguement’s sake, if it is, then those bought by the lobbyists are just as “sinister”…this includes both parties, and our President Obama…so if the “unfair” tax code and it’s extension, is a disqualifier for romney as a candidate, then it’s also a disqualifier for candidate Obama…I’m not saying you(adam) subscribe to that theory. My original comment on this issue was directed at those that do.

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“Hopefully you are not be sarcastic”

be=being

Doing too many things at once. Multi-tasking=doing many things poorly.

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If “Stinkrich” was on any sports team, the number on his jersey would be “0000.”

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Jay:
Some of your contributors persist in bringing up Solyndra. I’ll see their Solyndra and raise them one Bush/Cheney-Iraq.

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The Dabancheng wind farm in China’s Xinjiang province:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/07/25/460dab.jpg

“It’s clear that China is taking on renewable energy projects at a fast pace. The country has doubled its installed wind power every year for the past five years and a new study shows the country should keep it up.”
http://ecogeek.org/wind-power/2948-china-could-replace-coal-with-wind

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It’s great we are talking about and investing in green energy.

Thank you President Obama.

Change.

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Mitt and Newt vied for the Pinball Wizard championship once again last night. I think they’re both violating the Fair Use rules. — The Who

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Jewishcowboy @ 11:13:
You’re wasting your time trying to educate the group your posts are aimed at. If it isn’t coming from Fox then they won’t accept it. Facts and the truth are “foreign” for these bigoted, narrow minded, brain-washed people.

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“I find hundreds to look pretty ugly.”

I find the shortening of 24,000 lives annually, fly ash spills, coal seam fires, mercury exposure and topsoil destruction a lot more ugly.

http://www.lungusa.org/assets/documents/healthy-air/toxic-air-report.pdf

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@Thulsa Doom – Don’t quote the Beautiful Sade. She doesn’t like Neo-Cons. Plus, she wasn’t born in this country……………..according to the applesauce possee(birthers)

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Aren’t the Republicans also looking at eliminating that mortgage interest deduction on primary residences as well as other residences in order to help fund their tax cuts. May as well. It’s not like that home ownership idea is working out for a lot of people anyway.

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md and Adam – I’m upside down on mine, although, if I were $100,000 upside down, I might just walk away. But only because the mortgage is only for about $120,000. Yeah, I’m paying it. Every month. I was late once, but then Mrs. (ir)Rational (actually then she was just my fiance) took over organizing the bills and I haven’t been late since. I pay it no matter what else I don’t pay that month (which usually means no fun, no gas to go see the family, and cheap food).

As far as Rubio goes, everybody has financial problems at some point in their life. The way I see it, the left would have a much harder time attacking Romney for being out of touch if he had Rubio (or someone like him) at his side. He is the son of immigrants. Worked his way up in life. And is going through the same type of financial problems that the rest of us are going through. Seems to me, he connects with a large part of the American public.

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Our economy is trending in the RIGHT direction so the cons lie about heading off the cliff.

That was w.

willard spews this lie and says our President did noit address our deficit.

Another lie.

Basically, willard has a major problem with the truth.

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Ener1 hearts them some Mitch Daniels……Read and learn.

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Finn McCool,

Let me help out Mr. Krugman aka he who continues to defend Obama’s failed Keynesian policies

“The Times last Sunday laid out the facts. Although Apple is now America’s biggest U.S. corporation as measured by market value, it employs only 43,000 people in the United States, a tenth as many as General Motors employed when it was the largest American firm.”

43,000 jobs is 43,000 jobs Mr. Krugman.

“Apple does, however, indirectly employ around 700,000 people in its various suppliers. Unfortunately, almost none of those people are in America.”

Well of course Mr. Krugman. Or Apple could make the entire I-phone here instead of overseas and the cost would only be something crazy like $1600. And if they did that nobody would be employed for them- not the 700,000 overseas or the 43,000 here.

Then Mr. Krugman talks about clustering, the success of German exporting, etc. Lemme help you out there Mr. Krugman. In economics we are in fact familiar with clustering. Kinda like the clustering we see in Silicon valley, or closer to home the carpet industry in dalton, ga. or the historic mfg base of the U.S. in the midwestern cities. And China clusters also with the industrial heartland of Manchuria.

Mr. Krugman than goes on to extoll Germany’s great export economy some more. Mr. Krugman sir did you forget that Germany is the world’s leader in solar and wind power technology? And that it is heavily “subsidized” which is a point of great debate right now in Germany. Forgot about subsidized German steel too did you???

Its a shame when a former Nobel prize winner in economics has reduced himself to such drivel that someone with a mere bachelor’s degree can destroy his simpleton points in a matter of moments.

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ADAM,

Perhaps I misunderstood. Are you suggesting that BO and democrats in particular have less culpability taking advantage of the corrupt system to their benefit? BO’s cronyism, bulls&iting for votes and the insider trading are the only bi-partisan events on the DC scene today…Why do you suppose your pal hasn’t delivered on say…for example an encompassing immigration policy as promised? Did you know he didn’t invite a single border governor to his “summitt”? He did however invite Eva Longoria….Look into Goldman Sachs and the comings and goings of appointees between BO’s watch….Look up where most of the stimulus for green crap was doled out to….Be real.

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MEWT — “I goggled the word and it says a skank is (usually younger) female, implying trashiness or tackiness, lower-class …”

Well, Callista is significantly younger than Newt. And as far as trashy or tacky goes, she’s certainly got that wrapped up, seeing how she hopped in the sack with married-guy Newt, got him to dump his wife, convert to Catholicism and now apparently expects to become First Lady.

Calling her a skank is mild criticism, IMO.

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On point. I am an Obama supporter and understand that some hope Newt wins the Repub nomination because he would be easier to defeat. But Newt is such a dangerous demagogue that I prefer, for the sake of the country, that Romney dispatch him quickly. Let’s not take chances with his sort.

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barking frog – I proposed yesterday that we could possibly save a good deal of money by sending all politicians to that colony. Unfortunately, considering how good they are at screwing people, they would probably reproduce so quickly we would have to expand the colony to encapsulate the entire moon. So I guess it could be economically unfeasible…oh well, nice to dream.

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Doom: And the reality is that for all his mindless and illogical rhetoric China can produce just about anything cheaper than we can- especially solar panels.

We know why that is. It’s because they use slave labor. The fact that they get paid means little if they live in a walled city just to work their whole lives. We CAN compete with that without stooping to that same level. We just need some good old fashioned American innovation to figure it out.

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(ir)Rational, Ron Paul echoed your sentiments last night
but doesn’t seem to include himself.

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(ir)Rational: It was a few days ago I think. He said stuff about how people need to have 6 months of salary saved up before making a commitment to get a loan of any kind, including a 30 year mortgage. Something about how choices determine everything….

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I’m just curious as to how President Newt was planning to get funding for a moon base out of a GOP Congress that DEMANDS fiscal responsibility. Las time I checked, building on the moon fell kind of on the “pricey” side.

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Did anyone see the last question relative to who’s wife would make best first lady?

I’m glad I wasn’t that dope Newt at that particular time….I’m scratching my head over whether any first lady had been soiled by prior husbands ???

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Well howdy Bookmaniacs. I’m out here hauling and lugging and humping to get you ready for FNM tonight.

But I got a question right now. Last night at Billy Bob’s we got to talking and after 8 or 9 PBRs somebody asked, Does England have rednecks? Well, Joe Bill said they couldn’t have because the sun don’t hardly shine over there, at least not enough to turn a neck red. But Jim Earl says there’s got to be rednecks in England, seeing as how there’s so many of Those People that have moved in there and seeing Those People without rednecks is sorta like seeing a pepper shaker without a salt shaker in a restaurant.

Anyhow, I just thought I’d throw the question out there to see if USinUK or somebody that has traveled to England could answer it. See you tonight everybody. Well, not see you. I guess I mean I’ll read you tonight.

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frog,

Well, it use to be in New York City so we can move it again.

I am thinking Kansas because they live in Alice in Wonderland, or la la land if you will..

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Mitt still heading upwards

Yeah

O is toast

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Stevie Ray – So you look down on someone who felt their marriage wasn’t working and got out? Or is it just that you look down on women that have done that?

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I don’t think ol’ Newt’s gonna win. He’s got the brains and he’s got the bravado, but he’s to polarizing. Mitt is going to win the nomintion and will lose in November. That’s my prediction.

Americans have the shortest memory in all of history so unless something comes undone in the next 9 months I see obama for 4 more years of misery.

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(ir)Rational – ” So you look down on someone who felt their marriage wasn’t working and got out?”

Only when said person rails against a former President for infidelity while engaging in the practice himself. Oh, and the fact that said person was also part of the party that vomits “family values” like Jeff Goldblum in the The Fly is just an added bonus.

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Adam: “We know why that is. It’s because they use slave labor. ”

And we’re headed in that direction too, you know.

“The fact that they get paid means little if they live in a walled city just to work their whole lives. We CAN compete with that without stooping to that same level. We just need some good old fashioned American innovation to figure it out.”

Did you read the much-discussed NY Times story from last Sunday about how Apple moved most of its production operations to China? I posted the link yesterday.

How exactly can American innovation save the working class here from plunging into serfdom, with the complete destruction of the way of life we knew in the post war period?

Innovation and ingenuity has been in plentiful supply and all that has done is gone into making supply chains and production line technology even more lean and efficient — which means, human-free.

How does innovation, understood technologically, help create well-paying jobs and living conditions for Americans?

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All the candidates will have a good or bad debate. One has to look at who is asking the questions and why? As we saw in SC questioners try to assassinate a candidate. There should be a disclaimer at the start of each show telling how they arrived at the questions and should have a random scheme for asking individual questions vs. to all candidates. If one just views one debate to base his vote on; they are poorly informed. It is still early to arrive at a candidate. Crossover voters in Primaries help and hinder who the final candidate will be. There is still a lot of issues that needs to be discussed. On with the game of Politics. Remember Obummer has not been real vetted yet !!!

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Adam,

I don’t think I would call it slave labor in China. They simply have lower labor costs.

And sooner or later someone else will have even lower labor costs as the cost of labor rises in China. As it stands now some even lower labor cost nations such as Vietnam are undercutting Chinese manufacturers and textile makers to a small degree. That is a trend that I expect to grow as China becomes more prosperous and wages rise. People feard the Japanese menace in the 80s and it subsided. Same will happen with China. As they become more prosperous and wages rise they will in turn lose their mfg base to countries with a greater absolute advantage. We’re seeing it to a small degree now.

Chinese workers are starting to strike for higher pay. Its kinda funny to watch that happen now whether you’re a con or a lib. Get the popcorn ready. We both could enjoy watching more of this in the years to come.

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I was under water on a mortgage once, but that was so long ago they didn’t call it “being under water,” they called it “you stupid loser, why’d you buy that POS, what were you thinking?”

Only it wasn’t “they” saying that, but me, to myself. Usually while lying awake at night. Good times.

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“The quality of commentary on here is generally pathetic.”

The irony is in the source.

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Butch – That wasn’t really the question I was asking. I was asking because of this:

I’m glad I wasn’t that dope Newt at that particular time….I’m scratching my head over whether any first lady had been soiled by prior husbands ???

Exactly what does she have to do with her husbands positions, and why would she be a poor First Lady simply because she may have been married before as Stevie Ray suggested. Although, I can’t find anything that suggests that any of their wives were, so I’m not exactly sure what the point of his comment was.

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The Obama regime policies have forced over a million jobs to move from the United States to China. Many of these jobs are green related and most of those were by Obama’s friends, some with the help of “stimulous” money confiscated from the american tax payer. You lefties need to wake up to what this regime is doing to this country and why there are more than two million jobs less than when the regime took over. The head of our “jobs programs” Jeff Immelt has personaly moved tens of thousands of jobs over seas and is still doing it.

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(ir)Rational: I think we are of the same mind on the mortgage and 6 months saved thing. My opinion is it’’s ridiculous to make the assertion that one should already have saved up 6 months of salary prior to making a 30 year commitment for two reasons: 1) 6 months is 1/60th of 30 years, meaning that if that 6 months is exhausted while looking for a job, the person is still going to get foreclosed on and 2) in order to save up that much, the person making the commitment would have to save up over the course of several years if he or she also wants to continue to take care of their family and themselves at the same time as saving, meaning that in order to buy the house that person must spend 5-10 years saving money just to get 6 months of breathing room if their job is lost… which is absurd considering how quickly one can lose their job. One is more likely to lose a job in that time frame and be looking for work for longer than the salary they saved up within that time frame, wiping out the savings and starting from square one. The logistics don’t match up. Only those who make WELL OVER what they need to take care of themselves and their families could hope to accomplish this.

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I came away assured we’ll be FAR better off with ANY of these candidates in the White House. They have some policy differences, but at the core they each embrace the values we are looking to reassert in government. It’s also clear we need all four engaged in the campaign to win back the White House. They need to bury the negative attacks and one-upsmanship, stay on message, and let the voters decide. The Gingrich-Romney spats at this point are propping up Santorum and Paul.

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I would rather have every hair on my body plucked by Jocelyn Wildenstein who was wearing nothing but pasties and a thong while listening to Chumbawamba’s “Tub Thumping” than watch a Republican primary debate…

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(ir)Rational,

“So you look down on someone who felt their marriage wasn’t working and got out?”

I look down on people who bloviate about how “gays” would ruin “traditional” marriage and then conveniently ignore their own 2 divorces and 3 marriages. It would seem to me if you wanted to “save” traditional marriage you would outlaw divorce first. And punish those who break their vows.

But I guess you aren’t going to get a sanctimonious charlatan like Newt to back something like that.

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Pretty soon, Newt will get back in his white cadillac and go back to hazzard county

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M Righty — “The Obama regime policies have forced over a million jobs to move from the United States to China.”

Catch up with the rest of the class, pal. Your idols have been doing the same thing for *decades.*

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Quagmire, If he had a cigar he would be Boss Hog, excellent.

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jewcowboy: One of my favorite lines of logic is about how in trying to save marriage (and divorce) conservatives don’t want gay people to have the same opportunity to have a sham marriage that ends in divorce. Which is a bit odd since I would think they would love it if gay people became more miserable in other ways and contributed to the legal occupations.

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Butch, shooting the gun in the air is also brought to mind..

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Joe: M Righty — “The Obama regime policies have forced over a million jobs to move from the United States to China.”

Catch up with the rest of the class, pal. Your idols have been doing the same thing for *decades.*

It’s also not true that Obama’s policies have anything to do with that.

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Kamchak,

I like to produce vivid mental imagery.

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IRATIONAL,

“Stupid” really…that’s classy debate style…guess you concede. Putz is not just another four-letter word wouldn’t you agree? Not judging you to be clear, just your debate ineptness…

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“ir)Rational: It was a few days ago I think. He said stuff about how people need to have 6 months of salary saved up before making a commitment to get a loan of any kind, including a 30 year mortgage. Something about how choices determine everything….”

Geez Adam…..if you are going to quote me, at least get it right……he(me) said financial advisers recommend a 6 month emergency fund…………..just smart planning.

As for the commitment part…….associated with the risk, I’ll see if I can explain it to someone that seems to be quite dense……

Renting a home = the least amount of risk
5-10k house = a bit more risk
10-20k house = even more risk
50-100k = even more risk
100k and up = a lot more risk

And guess what Adam……..each of the above is a CHOICE………………….

Now go out and play the game and quit making excuses………you would do well righting your own book……..I don’t think the best book of excuses has has many as you seem to have.

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jewcowboy – Your position is as ridiculous as the one you ridicule. Congrats. See my other comments explaining what I was referring to. I think Newt is just as big a slimeball as the rest of you do.

Adam – Trying to save up 6 months salary before buying a house may not be practical, but I do think more people need to save up a decent down payment. Having said that, yeah, I think we pretty much agree. Oh, and I’m not a big fan of yours for putting the image of Newt in “positions” in my head. I shouldn’t have set you up, but you didn’t HAVE to take that bait.

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Joe Hussein Mama

January 27th, 2012
11:52 am

So anything the Republicans did is okay with you? I thought the whole attraction of Obama was that he was diferent and was going to change things for the better. I guess you gave up on that. Can’t blame you. Every single economic category is worse under Obama which is why he became the first president to give a state of the union speech without mentioning any accomplisments.

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MightyRighty

Turn off Fox and the radio pundits and check out the Dow and S&P

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I like to produce vivid mental imagery.

If you were conscientious, you would also produce the corresponding requisite brain-bleach. But that’s OK. You provided me with the Thomas Jefferson quote for downstairs.

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Stevie Ray – I twisted nothing. I simply read your comment, quoted you, and responded to what you said. Or did you not say “I’m scratching my head over whether any first lady had been soiled by prior husbands ???”

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The Republican Right theory that ’steel sharpens steel’ meaning
a long hard fought primary will develop a better nominee is sure
getting tested in this primary.

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Newt had a bad night. But Jay is wrong about one thing. It’s the journalists who are cowards. Easily spouting derogatory remarks and hiding behind “unnamed sources” or “reported by someone else”. It just so happened that Blitzer isn’t a pansy. He did well.

The worst damage came from Paul who explained the “balanced budget” claims by Newt. I have to admit, that caught me off guard. I hadn’t heard that before and we will probably hear much more about it.

The second worst was the introduction of the wives. Three noble ladies and then Newt’s third wife who was the other woman in an affair with an older man.. Of all the pols in DC, she picked Newt. Really?

Probably a death nail for the speaker.

SAntorum looked great. But it was probably too little too late.

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Adam – You owe me some brain bleach. Probably anyone else here that read that too. That is quite possibly worse than the image presented by jewcowboy (I think, sorry if I’m wrong) about Newt getting it on with Nancy Pelosi.

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Newt stock deflating is bad for Dems. Pretty soon the Reps will unite behind Romney and he looks to be almost Reaganesque in his potential to steal back the center from the socialist.

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md: Your insistence that I only make excuses is what is actually a choice. Saving up a 6 month emergency fund is not a choice for most people, especially considering how long that would take to accomplish and still remain in budget, and that’s ALL assuming one can keep their same wage or greater for the period of time it would require. This is why I say it is nonsense to say “if only” and use that.

Sure, different housing prices are a choice, as is the choice to sign a lease or a loan agreement. I am not defending people who overborrow KNOWING they can’t afford it or would have a really hard time affording it. What I AM saying is that people who make the choice to get a mortgage on a house that they are MORE than capable of paying every month do not deserve to be judged as making the wrong choice when the entire economy collapses and their job gets caught in the meltdown.

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I was, and remain, a strong supporter of Hillary. I entered the primary season with a somewhat open mind hoping the GOP would give me a rational moderate that I could support. Hasn’t happened. All I have seen so far is the GOP candidates writing President Obama’s campaign ads for him. I guess we get four more years of Obama then it will be Hillary’s turn.

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They BOTH suck

January 27th, 2012
11:59 am

The Dow and the S and P are functions of speculation much of which is based on inflation and earnings. Earnings are for the most part good because of the very management that you on the left so hate. Good management has nothing to do with with our shirker in chief.

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bbl

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I guess we get four more years of Obama then it will be Hillary’s turn.

I understand that she just announced her intentions to retire from politics.

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“My opinion is it’’s ridiculous to make the assertion that one should already have saved up 6 months of salary prior to making a 30 year commitment for two reasons: 1) 6 months is 1/60th of 30 years, meaning that if that 6 months is exhausted while looking for a job, the person is still going to get foreclosed on and 2) in order to save up that much, the person making the commitment would have to save up over the course of several years if he or she also wants to continue to take care of their family and themselves at the same time as saving, meaning that in order to buy the house that person must spend 5-10 years saving money just to get 6 months of breathing room if their job is lost… which is absurd considering how quickly one can lose their job. One is more likely to lose a job in that time frame and be looking for work for longer than the salary they saved up within that time frame, wiping out the savings and starting from square one. The logistics don’t match up. Only those who make WELL OVER what they need to take care of themselves and their families could hope to accomplish this.”

Gee Adam……now THAT is a whopper of an excuse……might want to make that one chapter 1 in your book of excuses.

And not having an emergency fund is just stupid………….shows poor planning.

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They Both Suck, keep up, i was answering Stevie Ray’s
query, had any first lady been soiled by a former husband..

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JHM – I do also, but that isn’t what he said. You seem to be missing the critical part where I quoted him. “…spoiled by past husbands” doesn’t imply a problem with the husband, it implies a problem with the wife.

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barking frog

My apologies

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Steve USA: “I honestly don’t follow where you want this country to go? I am a lot more interested to hear in what you DO want instead of what you DON’T want to do.”

I can try to reformulate everything I’ve said as positive assertions rather than negative, but it will still remain somewhat vague until we have a political awakening and a reorientation of our entire political dialog away from the sham alternatives represented by the Republican and Democratic parties. The Occupy movement perhaps represents the very first signs of such an awakening.

I want a world in which the risks are not socialized while the profits are increasingly funneled to a tiny elite. I want a world in which practices such as health care, which should have nothing to do with the profit motive, are not strangled by profiteering. I want a world in which people are not forced to live in dormitories, working 12 hr shifts for peanuts and without labor regulation or benefits, just to allow western capitalists to pocket even mightier profits.

Notice I said ‘world’, not country here. The solutions we’re looking for will have to be world-wide in scope. Globalization is an irreversible process.

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midtownguy,

“I guess we get four more years of Obama then it will be Hillary’s turn.”

I’m all for Hillary too, but it seems we are destined for disappointment.

“I have made it clear that I will certainly stay on until the president nominates someone and that transition can occur” if Obama wins re-election, she told a town hall meeting. “But I think after 20 years, and it will be 20 years, of being on the high wire of American politics and all of the challenges that come with that, it would be probably a good idea to just find out how tired I am.”

Though: “But, she appeared to leave the door open for a possible eventual return, adding to laughter from the crowd that “everyone always says that when they leave these jobs.”"
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=145909698

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MightyRighty (Birther Lite)

From the last article

Keep pondering on that birther issue. It is getting as much traction as it did before the last election….. yeah that was just what you need to get over the hump

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“I understand that she just announced her intentions to retire from politics.”

I guess that means we will miss out on all those clever appearance jokes like they make about NG.

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TBS, accepted.

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Hillary is done with politics.

She did not lie like willard.

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I seem to have asked the wrong question the last few days…

It’s not Did Romney pay ANY taxes in 2008….it should be

Did Romney pay ANY taxes in 2009?

Gee Granny, I bet he paid a little more than you did.

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md,

“And not having an emergency fund is just stupid………….shows poor planning.”

And/or a growing reality for the majority of Americans.

http://www.creditloan.com/infographics/how-the-average-consumer-spends-their-paycheck/

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Quick straw poll: Who do you guys think will win the next election?? Assuming that Mitt goes on to win the nomination, I see him as the odds-on favorite, in the same way that I saw Obama as the odds-on favorite given Bush’s unpopularity.

1 vote for Mitt.

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midtownguy

As I have stated before, I think Ms. Clinton has the sharpest political mind of a generation, so the fact the she is the most polarizing figure on the U.S. political landscape cannot have escaped her attention. I still maintain that the 2008 race was a carefully coordinated effort to insure that the most electable Democrat made it to the Oval Office.

Assuming that Obama is reelected, I think we would be better served by Elizabeth Warren in 2016.

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Oh, this doesn’t bode well for Conservatives:

U.S. Recovery Slowly Gained Speed in Late ’11</i?
nytimes.com

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Steve USA: “Don’t take this the wrong way because perhaps I am to cynical but do you have a plan “B”?”

Do I have a plan B for what?

Looks like what we have is already a plan B. And what that is is clear as day: increasing instability and economic injustice, outbursts of violence, war, and poverty.

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“in order to save up that much, the person making the commitment would have to save up over the course of several years if he or she also wants to continue to take care of their family and themselves at the same time as saving”

Interesting that you can see what it might take to get there but find it easier to make an excuse to dismiss the idea altogether…………..

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And/or a growing reality for the majority of Americans.

And that may be a somewhat rosy picture, given that it’s average, and not median. But illuminating nevertheless. The transportation figure didn’t surprise me, but I bet most would not guess that the average family spends ~3x more on transportation than they do on entertainment, given that we’re constantly being told what irresponsible spendthrifts we are.

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My choice is Romney. My late father said “Always try to elect the richest man possible; they have more of a stake in the success and prosperity of the country.”

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for bf @ 12.23…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNQNF6rKnDk

Crouching in your pea patch
Plowing through your bean field
Planting my seed

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My choice is President Obama but Mitt will win. Elite!

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Sorry the guy has turned out to be such an embarrassment for y’all……

Perhaps you could point out where any of, “y’all” have explicitly stated they were embarrassed?

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My choice is Romney. My late father said “Always try to elect the richest man possible; they have more of a stake in the success and prosperity of the country.”

Grace–you raise an interesting point, one I’ve been thinking about lately. Do you want the strongest guy in the room, or the weakest guy in the room in charge. We’ve tried the “Governance by the weak” system for the past 3 + years, and I don’t see it working at all.

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Hardly embarrassed bruno.

We have a competent President accomplishing more than most Presidents.

All willard does is lie and flip flop.

This is a very easy choice.

Four more years.

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Bruno: “Obama didn’t like the way that Brewer characterized a meeting they had last year in her new book. Obama, the immature one, decided that the airport tarmac was the most appropriate venue to hash it out.”

Have to say I do agree with this in part.

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Marry a woman who owns a beer company,when the
economy goes down beer sales go up -John McCain

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“All I seem to find is whining.”

Ye old pot to kettle.

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Brother Bruno,
“Governance by the weak”

I think he has an excellently strong foreign policy…just ask OBL…

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Bruno,

I am to first to admit that I am not an expert on everything and that includes how pricing works in the healthcare industry.

….but are you saying you don’t think Obama will win or you just don’t want him to?

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midtown – Pretty safe read and probably accurate. The mess in the ME is rarely front page news anymore so it’s all about the economy. I think we’re doomed to long slow recovery at best unless we get one more bubble, maybe a nanotechnology bubble when they creat cancer eaters.

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“Unemployed or underemployed citizens do not vote for the sitting president.”

Thats not necessarily true…If you’re a recently unemployed person, you have to ask yourself, do you vote for the man that would like to at least keep unemployment benefits around to at least in some way or the man that says cut, cut cut.

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Bruno – “Obama, the immature one, decided that the airport tarmac was the most appropriate venue to hash it out.

Sorry the guy has turned out to be such an embarrassment for y’all……”

As opposed to Gingrich scolding John King on National television. Embarrasing like that?

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Romney ruled last night. Santorum had the best line when he said that they should talk about the issues and not bark back and forth about someone’s tax returns or income (which is refreshing to hear).
Jay, I am playing poker next Sat night and based on your performance, you are invited.

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Boehner has not stopped crying ever since Newt outed Mitt for his low tax rate.

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Bruno, My day used to tell a story about a man looking to
buy a farm and only two were for sale. He looked at the
first one and said I will take the other one. The agent said
but you haven’t seen the other one. The man said I have to
have a farm and I sure don’t want this one. the President
has no defense to this attitude.

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When the bluster fades, this is Barrack Obama.

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It’s not fair that Mitt pays a lower tax rate than memememe! — Newt

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I did not lose my TEMPER! I said, “Look HERE, at the booboo on my FINGER! — Jan Brewer

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Bruno,

“Only the die-hard Obama supporters are defending it.”

I don’t think anybody defends the insurance mandate. The only reason it was added was to get the insurance companies onboard. This would give them 30 million new paying customers. Without it, they stand to lose a fortune. So you folks that don’t like the mandate are the ones screwing your beloved insurance companies. Without the new customers, the insurers are just going to charge more to the folks that have insurance.

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Iranian courts have sentenced two bloggers to death for “spreading corruption.”

Those bloggers—a dangerous lot.

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He pays to the same rate schedule, based on his income and capital gains, as anyone else would.

“Anyone else” isn’t trying to win a popularity contest.

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I don’t think anybody defends the insurance mandate. The only reason it was added was to get the insurance companies onboard. This would give them 30 million new paying customers.

Maybe that’s one reason. The primary reason is that without adding younger, healthier people to the insurance pool, the cost of insuring people with preexisting conditions at standard rates becomes prohibitive. There’s a reason many of those in need are without coverage, and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with poverty. Take away the mandate and we’ll all see our health insurance premiums blast into the stratosphere, while we continue to give millions a free ride through higher premiums and taxes to cover those emergency room visits. At the very least, if ACA stands without the mandate, we ought to remove the law that requires hospitals to render care regardless of ability to pay.

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Dawg – “Mitt does NOT have a “low tax rate” in any unfair sense. He pays to the same rate schedule, based on his income and capital gains, as anyone else would.”

Keep in mind you’re arguing with the morons who believe Obama when he says Buffet’s secretary pays higher taxes than Buffet. They can’t even figure out Obama keeps whining about effective tax rates while threatening to raise INCOME taxes which will do absolutely nothing to change the situation he’s whining about. They can’t get past that tingle up their leg feeling for thinking they’re going to get some rich people’s money long engouh to figure that out.

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mm,

You’re calling bs? And as usual you would be wrong. China has enormous built in advantages, scale, speed of assembly, the ability to hire thousands of people in a single day. $17 a day to a worker working on an assembly line making I-phones. How much would the average American worker cost on the same type of assembly line??? Do the math mm. $17 an hour American worker vs 17$ a day Chinese worker?

Now there are some technology experts who believe that here in America that we could in fact make the I-phone with only an extra $65 in labor costs if you believe that. But labor isn’t the only reason why its substantially cheaper to make the I-phone in China.

Oh. And one other thing. In a typical $500 I-phone only $180 of the actual mfg component cost is spent overseas making it. The other $320 is spent here in America on the engineering design, software, transporting, etc.

This is an interesting article on why they are kicking our tails.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhone manufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight.

A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day.

“The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.”

It goes on to say in the article that 8700 engineers were hired to oversee production in one facility. To hire those same 8700 engineers in the U.S. would have taken almost a year.

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Disgusted

January 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
Iranian courts have sentenced two bloggers to death for “spreading corruption.”

No surprise there. They regularly hang gays for gasp… being gay. Such nice benevolent folks there in the religion of Islam.

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Doomy – They also don’t seem to get that the US is not the only market Chinese made iPhones are shipped into. Likely a larger percentage than elsewhere in the world, but not the only market. If you look at your market globally, as Apple is doing, it makes more sense. Not sure most of these liberals have the mental capacity to get that.

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rb

You are not exactly a mental giant yourself, so cool out and get off the high horse, unless you happen to be a closet communist…

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barking frog
January 27th, 2012
9:59 am
He could give Johnny Cochran a run for his money.

Only if he diggs him up and hooks up with Dr. Frakenstein.

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RB,

“They can’t get past that tingle up their leg feeling for thinking they’re going to get some rich people’s money long engouh to figure that out.”

Still singing the “poor folks want our money” song?

Thulsa @ 1:11,

You just the ideology that’s going to get your party crushed in November. America has had it with corporations caring more about profit than the citizens that buy it’s products.

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Butch – “I’m sure we could if Americans were willing to live in company dorms and be “roused” for a twleve hour workday after a hearty breakfast of a biscuit and some tea. But alas, those damn labor laws prohibit such activities for the sake of profit.”

Our problem is the work ethic doesn’t match the education level/job skills in our labor pool. People who’s job skills are worth $9/hr won’t work for $9/hr. That’s why there are 10MM mexicans here doing the work for them.

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“Get what, that you would prefer the Unioted States go back to the good old days of sweat shops, no safety regulations, company store, 7 day work weeks and 5 year olds shoveling coal into boilers?”

Of course not, but we have to admit that those activities built this country. The world is not maturing at the same rate. It kind of reminds me of my neighbors who don’t want any new construction in our area. Since their house is already built, they don’t want any more.

China is going to do what they want and there is not a darn thing we can do about it. Perhaps some more of blame should go to the Corporations going there and people buying those products.

Who is worse the hookers or the Johns?

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People who’s job skills are worth $9/hr won’t work for $9/hr. That’s why there are 10MM mexicans here doing the work for them.

Not intended to be a factual statement.

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Paul

January 27th, 2012
10:09 am
What, you’d be happier if we still had our servicemen and women still getting their legs blown off and killed in Iraq?

Since the withdrawl date was settled BEFORE Obama took office, how could they STILL be getting killed and blown up in Iraq?

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doom

Seems to be working real well in china according to rb and other assorted cons…

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“Since their house is already built, they don’t want any more.’

The got mine mentality. A condition permeating many people but particularly afflicting the limousine liberal crowd.

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My point being that there have alwayws been and there always will be ways to make profits on the backs of those that can’t protect themselves. Just becauce an abundance of cheap labor exists, doesn’t mean that we have to exploit it.

I liken the statement by the Apple exec to someone looking over a Southern Slave Plantation in the 1800,s and saying “Wow, this is amazing. We just couldn’t get this kind of productivity out of our white workers.”

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Thulsa Doom – “Liberals do loves themselves those knee jerk, extreme examples they do”

I’ve established many times that I’m neither a “lib” or a “con”. I’m simply a realist. Something that seems to escape members of both parties.

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Butch – “I’ve established many times that I’m neither a “lib” or a “con”. I’m simply a realist. Something that seems to escape members of both parties.”

Ditto!

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**Liberals do loves themselves those knee jerk, extreme examples they do**

I could easily apply that to you and half the mush you churn out…

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Thulsa Doom – “I’m all for putting those Chinese workers out of work to where they don’t even make a dime that day. ”

So you prefer that Americans are put out of work to where they don’t even make a dime that day instead?

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Those of you who snickered when Newt warned us of the perils of Gay Marriage need to realize that it leads to this

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/138158504.html

Next someone will try to marry the Downtown Connector.

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Butch,

Nope. We can give those jobs to Americans at $17 an hour and pay $1600 for our I-phones. And of course no one is going to buy them and apple goes out of business and in addition to laying off those newly hired American workers it would have to lay off the 43,000 American workers they already have in the U.S. Back to square 1.

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Let me guess, Bookman. You are another liberal right?

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Butch – Since when did repealing the tax cuts become a conservative position? And by conservative position, I mean one held by those calling themselves conservatives?

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Mick
January 27th, 2012
10:48 am
Rubio has some other problems like his house mortgage is underwater by about 100k and he has an equity line of 130k.

Mick, have you checked that Rueters story for all the retractions they had to issue relating to this story?

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Butch

I didn’t know repealing the W tax cuts was a con position. I didn’t say that you’ve never had a con position. Just that I’ve never seen it. I now stand corrected that you do in fact have 2 con positions the EITC credit and perhaps no pro Obama preference.

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Butch

I didn’t know repealing the W tax cuts was a con position. I didn’t say that you’ve never had a con position. Just that I’ve never seen it. I now stand corrected that you do in fact have 2 con positions the EITC credit and perhaps no pro Obama preference.

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Sucks 1:35

“Since the withdrawl date was settled BEFORE Obama took office, how could they STILL be getting killed and blown up in Iraq?”

Jack’s comment was Pres Obama hadn’t produced “anything other than confusion.”

My answer was directed at that.

BTW – so now the Right is saying that Pres Obama was bound by a withdrawal date settled before he took the oath of office?

Just a couple months ago the line was we had to leave because he blew the negotiations.

Rule of Thumb: invent whatever history is necessary to make the Pres look bad.

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Thulsa Doom: “We can give those jobs to Americans at $17 an hour and pay $1600 for our I-phones. And of course no one is going to buy them and apple goes out of business …”

That’s incorrect. According to the story we’re discussing, it was determined that were the phones being made in the US with appropriate wages it would translate into a price increase per unit of $65 for an iPhone. Hardly a dealbraker and would still allow for lavish profits to be realized.

But in the end, it’s a moot point because we’re not yet at a point where Americans are willing to live in barracks in faraway cities with no family connections and work 12 hr shifts for no benefits.

THOSE are the conditions that are the face of your new global capitalism.

Workers hurling themselves off the top of Foxconn’s buildings in desperation at their life conditions.

Are you on board with that? Does that kind of world get your thumbs up?

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Steve – USA,

“The guy does seem pretty thin skinned.”

Really? With all the lies and vitriol pouring from the right for years, he seems incredibly thick skinned to me.

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Butch: Get what, that you would prefer the Unioted States go back to the good old days of sweat shops, no safety regulations, company store, 7 day work weeks and 5 year olds shoveling coal into boilers?

After all, that would surely fix the problem of “people not showing up for work” because they are “satisfied” with food stamps.

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I hope you liberals get what you want. Romney will be the next president. There will be a conservative senate and a conservative house. Next, is to appoint conservative judges and school teachers.

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Romney said he will repeal Obamacare if he is elected
President. This is the first flat lie I have heard him expound.

I’ve got another one for you (emphasis mine).

“[A]s president, I will support efforts to prohibit federal funding for any organization like Planned Parenthood, which primarily performs abortions or offers abortion-related services.“

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“Really?” Yes, extremely so.

BTW – that reminds me, good to see “Really” is no longer around. Woo Hoo

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RB: Nope, just with people would get up in the morning, go to work, achieve what they’re able and willing to work for, and be happy about it.

“You TAKE me being a d*ck to you when you work for me. You TAKE it and you LIKE it!”

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“$1,000,000,000 in cash.”

They have more than $1 Billion.

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Doom: Liberals do loves themselves those knee jerk, extreme examples they do.

Pot.
Kettle.
Black.

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“According to the story we’re discussing, it was determined that were the phones being made in the US with appropriate wages it would translate into a price increase per unit of $65 for an iPhone.”

Occupation,

Yes. I mentioned that. But it doesn’t say that we are or can do that. And for that matter that was the opinion of several experts who think it can be done. Not that it has been done. Furthermore what you miss is the speed and ramp up of putting an assembly into immediately into operation in China. It can’t be done that quickly or easily here in the U.S. which adds enormously to cost. You’re not factoring ease of doing business, nor scale or ramp up time into cost.

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Welcome to the Occupation

January 27th, 2012
1:56 pm
It’s the OWS group that destroys property and kills people not capitalism. You know you dont have to work for that corporation. You can get a liberal education and teach college somewhere and indoctrinate the students to become more like Europe. Then you will have your live in barracks in faraway cities with no family connections and work for everybodies benefits.

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Typical lib. Wouldn’t know facetiousness or dry humor from their own butt. Speaking of that gotta go feed the 2 goats- Karl and Kurt.

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Adam,

You may need some help along with Kam in understanding tone, the difference between when someone is being serious or facetious. Facetiousness and dry humor is usually reserved for people of higher IQ. That may explain a lot as to why you, kam, and keep never seem to grasp it.

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The entire Star Wars: New Hope movie shot by amateurs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7ezeYJUz-84#!

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Attacker: (Insert insult here)

Attackee: “WTF dude, you do the same thing.”

Attacker: “Lighten up, I was ONLY JOKING.”

Stop gaslighting.

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“Opps” – I figured that, easy mistake with all those 0’s.

I am the King of typo’s here. I have to learn to proof read.

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RB: you’re the definition of a liberal.

liberal – what a conservative calls anyone who says anything that is in disagreement with the drudge report talking points.

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rb is as cantankerous and miserable as usual,

nailed it

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jewcowboy – Why are people so obsessed with what others/companies make? I really don’t understand the obsession.

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RB From Gwinnett – “Nailed it. You’ll be known by what you post here, Butch, and by what you post, you’re the definition of a liberal.”

Really, wanting to repeal the Bush tax cuts across the board, eliminating the EITC, bringing jobs back to America so that we can reduce the unemployment rate even if it costs the company a couple of bucks, and wanting clean air and water makes me a liberal? I’m almost afraid to ask what defines a “con”.

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Adam……..geez guy, even more excuses. I’ve seen my share of excuse makers in my day, but you get the crown.

That 6 months number is a goal……a recommendation by smart money people……and yes, some will never be able to achieve that number…….but don’t discount the others than can do it if they so choose based on what “some” may not be able to do…….

The point is, the smart money people recommend folks save money…….ANYTHING saved towards that 6 month supply is better than NOTHING saved……..but you are more than welcome to live under the assumption that it’s a stupid idea…….should serve you well in the future, along with the other xxx number of people that will come up with some excuse to NOT save……….

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sfd – Maybe not the killing people part (I quit paying close enough attention that I don’t know if anyone died or not), but the destruction of property part is most definitely a factual statement.

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md: Adam……..geez guy, even more excuses.

You’re only proving you don’t know what that word means. I hope you feel real good about making the accusation, because that’s about all you’re getting out of it. Everyone else is scratching their heads wondering why you’re screwing with the English language.

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I was thinking, if President Newt did get the approval for the moon base project, he could combine two programs into one. Afterall, since things are weightless in zero grav, he could send the 9 year olds to the moon for the construction of the new station. Brilliant!

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This is the way Newt looked at the end of the debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UejelYnVI3U

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Adam – To some people, any reason that you’re not doing what they claim they’re doing, or say you should be doing is nothing more than an excuse. Like, when I was growing up, and got in trouble so I was told to paint the window frames (exterior) on my grandparent’s house. It was raining so hard you could barely see outside, and my dad told me that was just an “excuse” as to why I wasn’t painting the windows. I thought it was a pretty good reason, but hey, according to md, maybe I should have planned ahead and had the entire house encapsulated in a bubble or tent or something so I could paint in the rain.

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Adam

January 27th, 2012
2:17 pm

Spoken just like the DNC paid representative that you are

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ir – “ewcowboy @ 2:25 – That is something I struggle with daily. There needs to be a sarcastic font we can use on here.”

Agreed

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Steve – What if you don’t have to hire people to fix those things for you? What if the house was inherited? What if rent in the area you’re buying the house is 3 times what the mortgage is? What if you have a house, and had a reserve but spent it? There are a lot of ‘what ifs’ in life, not all situations are the same. Having said that, yeah, I definitely think you should have reserves built up in case of emergencies. Saying you shouldn’t own a house if you don’t have any reserves is a little extreme though.

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but the destruction of property part is most definitely a factual statement.

when you consider the massive mobilizations of hundreds of thousands of people across the country who’ve been afffiliated with the OWS movement, and you compare the piddling little reports hither and yon of some vandalizing—and remember, these have been encampments that have been open to literally anyone who wants to join them, self-policed, and there have been reports of police rousting homeless people and telling them to go crash at the OWS encampments?

And you compare this to the calculated terror campaigns launched by the likes of Operation Rescue, targeting clinic workers and their families?

It’s not even close.

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“Buy new, as they have warranties.”

*facepalm*

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Hey TomJeff. What moniker do you normally post under that you’re hiding behind for that post?

Geez.. Are you 12 or what?

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It would seem that a certain blogger here hates “liberal” education to the point that he swore it off at a very early age.

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sfd – Whether they compare to something else or not doesn’t make it factually incorrect. Also, not saying it isn’t out there, but I haven’t found any incidences of Operation Rescue (I’m assuming your referring to the Pro-Life/Anti-Choice group) being violent. Definitely not saying they don’t exist, don’t know much of anything about the group other than what my 2 min Google search taught me. But the fact that they have destroyed property (did you see what happened in Oakland?) makes the destruction of property a factual statement. You don’t have to like it or agree with it, but you can’t refute it with facts.

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Steve @ 2:38 – Flag on the play, only Bro does the facepalm.

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“And so easily translated into written word, without vocal tone and pitch.’

That’s some good sarcasm. And it didn’t need the spoken word. A great example of what I’m talking about. Thanks jewcowboy.

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“(ir)Rational”,

If you can buy a house and rent it out for 3 times the rent I suggest you buy as many of those homes as you can.

Maybe just charge twice the amount, I wouldn’t want anyone calling you an evil profiteer.

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Adam – “It’s not reasonable to expect a 6 month salary savings result from most families in anything less than the amount of time it takes for another economic bubble to burst.”

LMAO

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Adam – I find it weird, you and I have been agreeing more and more recently. Is it just that you’re getting smarter or that the people here are getting crazier?

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(ir)Rational: I am not sure much has changed for anyone here, you and I included. We’re not talking about the same stuff today as we did when we were disagreeing, I think.

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(ir)Rational,

“Why are people so obsessed with what others/companies make? I really don’t understand the obsession.”

In this case, I think it may be from Mitch Daniels rebuttal to the SOTU: “The late Steve Jobs — what a fitting name he had — created more of them than all those stimulus dollars the president borrowed and blew.”

If an American corporation is going to shown as a bastion of virtue, then shouldn’t they have some allegiance to America? The are sitting on $100B in profits, make an absolutely stunning 75% profit margin on one of their biggest selling products and achieve that by giving 700k jobs to China and 43k jobs to the US.

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(ir)Rational,

“That is something I struggle with daily. There needs to be a sarcastic font we can use on here.”

I tend to be more overt in my snark to make sure it gets through. ;

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“How long would it take if you saved $20 out of every paycheck for you to have 6 months worth of salary.”

Hmmm……..does it matter how long it would take??

That is the point……something saved is better than nothing saved……..and THAT my friend is a choice.

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Adam,

No one is missing the point Adam. You simply take what you earn and live within 80 or 90% of what you earn and save the rest. It may mean downgrading and driving a paid off beater of a car instead of that new Infiniti. Or not dining out as much. Or getting a $100 smart phone instead of a $500 I-phone. Or if you’re young you simply get a 2nd part time job working 15-20 hours a week and save that money and live off of the money you earn from your regular job. There is no law against working 60 hours a week although I know people who have it ingrained in their psyche that its somehow imoral, a violation of labor laws, or just plain crazy to have to work over 40 hours a week. And those people aren’t very successful either.

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md: Hmmm……..does it matter how long it would take??

Yes, because your point is people should do this before they enter into a loan agreement.

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jewcowboy – Part of me agrees, but the majority of me says the premise is ridiculous. Why shouldn’t the company try and make money? They have a duty to their board and shareholders to do so. Even so, Mitch Daniels has a point. From the numbers I’ve seen, Steve Jobs (FYI, not just responsible for Apple) created more jobs here than the Stimulus did.

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The snark has pretty teeth dear
when it shows them pearly white
but when the snark bites with his teeth dear
you can really feel the bite..(tune of Mack the Knife)

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Thulsa Doom,

“That’s some good sarcasm. And it didn’t need the spoken word. A great example of what I’m talking about. Thanks jewcowboy.”

As I pointed out to (ir)Rational, I try to make my snark overt. If you do it subtlety, you run the risk of being misinterpreted.

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