When the bluster fades, this is Newt Gingrich

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I didn’t watch last night’s umpteenth Republican presidential debate. I had a prior commitment with some poker-playing friends, although given the night’s outcome, watching the debate would have been a smarter financial option on my part.

By all accounts, Mitt Romney again took on the role of aggressor against Newt Gingrich, and Gingrich again shrank from the confrontation.

As Politico describes it
, Gingrich “simply seemed worn out and off point. Gone was the brawler who could whip up the crowd. And it’s not quite clear where he went… he did not seem to be enjoying the heat of battle as in past debates.”

At one point, Gingrich reportedly tried to rebut a Romney attack by complaining to Mitt that “you’re very quick to draw the widest possible exaggeration,” which is truly priceless considering the source. I’m sorry I missed that moment.

The Washington Post was no more kind in its after-action report, concluding that “Gingrich was just plain off his game … looked less prepared and never really recovered.“

None of that surprises me. A strong showing in this last Florida debate was crucial to Gingrich, whose post-South Carolina momentum has faded in recent days. He needed another strong, aggressive showing and did not produce it, but that is consistent with his history.

At heart, Gingrich is a bully who backs down when confronted. He likes to challenge members of the media in public, safe in the knowledge that their profession does not allow them to return fire. He is well-skilled at creating and then dismantling strawmen. And he is supremely confident when he senses that he has succeeded in intimidating his target.

But when the critical moment comes, he deflates. As speaker, he shrunk from Bill Clinton, to the point that his aides and lieutenants didn’t want to have them in the same room lest a passive Gingrich agree to too much. In these debates, once Romney decided to fight back aggressively, Newt has repeatedly retreated. In the previous debate, he was left speechless and flustered by a pressing Romney, and apparently he still hasn’t recovered his bluster.

When asked last night to discuss his campaign-trail attacks on Romney’s bank accounts in Switzerland and the Caymans, Newt pulled a Pawlenty, explaining that “I’m perfectly happy to say that in an interview on some TV show, but this is a national debate where you have a chance to get the four of us to talk about a whole range of issues.”

To which Romney responded:

“Wouldn’t it be nice if people didn’t make accusations somewhere else that they weren’t willing to defend here?”

If and when the time came, Gingrich would have done the same when pitted against Barack Obama. In baseball, they say that a player is what his numbers say he is.

This is who Gingrich is.

– Jay Bookman

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The Truth

January 27th, 2012
4:12 pm

Republican’ts brag about that Gingrich can out-debate Obama, but if he can’t Romney, how the hell can he out-debate Obama? What morons!

md

January 27th, 2012
4:12 pm

“You did turn it into SHOULD a few times.”

“Should” would seem a given coming from an adviser……….otherwise, why bother, it wouldn’t be advice then.

Recommendations are what one is recommending (should) be done………..

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2012
4:12 pm

Thulsa Doom,

“I was always taught to never look down on anybody’s work no matter how menial.”

Unfortunately for the majority of American kids raised since the late 1960’s to the present, that has not been the case.

Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")

January 27th, 2012
4:14 pm

Welcome,

Actually when I was 28 I worked for Motorola building pagers wearing the same blue gown as everyone else on an assembly line. People telling me where to go and when I could go to the bathroom changed my life. I have been self-employed for the last 20 years. Thanks Motorola, you tried to break me, but you actually made me.

I am less worried about having to work as an exploited laborer as I am of the government deciding my saving should be taken for the good of the country.

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2012
4:16 pm

“BET GINGRICH’S CURRENT MISTRESS WONDER WHEN SHE GET PROMOTE TO WIFE!” ~ DRUNK HULK

GT

January 27th, 2012
4:17 pm

I think Newt got one of those phone calls, from the powers to be in the Republican Party. Maybe this stuff Nancy Pelosi was talking about was real, maybe she even shared it with the Republican Party. Something happened and it wasn’t just him being off his game. Something last night had him preoccupied.

I thought Wolf Isaac Blitzer made up for the sorry demonstration of how not to moderate a debate, by John King. Night and day difference for CNN, almost as good as Brien Williams which is a supreme complement. Maybe Blitzer looked at the ratings and saw CNNs South Carolina debate was behind NBC, Fox and MNBC in the ratings. I wonder if Wolf was always the moderator for last night or after that last disaster they brought in a new quarterback.

I think the reality of Newt being a marked man no one considers an asset in the party had sunk in not only to him but to the party. I think the Romney haters who know the gig is up and they will have to deal with a moderate to have a prayer, is becoming very evident. The Republicans are at the lull the Democrats were in the early 70s. They are the Washington Senators baseball team in August when all they wanted to do is go home.

I think Newt actually did the country a favor. He actually showed the country and the world ,almost like Joseph McCarthy, how hate and fear can eat a country up. The condition of the Republican Party is so weak they can allow a walk on to make headlines and come close to destroying the party. What I think is next is an improved economy. No Republican has prepare his campaign on good news, they don’t know how to handle it. There may very well be a party change in the House of Representatives as people see how desperate this crowd really is. Of course Georgia will be one of the few hold outs and will be punished as usual for their lack of clear thinking, but maybe that is justice. Maybe instead of attacking the weak we are the weak, along with Alabama, and Arizona. Maybe once and all Christians will not be bullied by this crowd that have taken over their churches and had them hating anything that moved. Maybe for a brief while we can live in peace.

Matti

January 27th, 2012
4:17 pm

Skip @ 4:07,

I know what you mean!! I played by the rules, listened to practical advice. I bought the BeeEss about financial responsibility. I saved up, put a lot down on a house I could afford. Nothing fancy, but something that would put the kids near good schools and offer some stability. Then my whole job site was shut down. Took contract jobs where I could get them, but since UE doesn’t pay much, had to break out the plastic to pay bills like COBRA insurance (being a responsible parent, not wanting to sponge off the taxpayers or risk losing the house), car payment, food, clothing, medicine…. Every time I’d just get caught up, there would be another setback. But I kept going! Re-fi’d when values were way up to pay off high interest debt, then values went crashing down. Been saving via 401K for nearly two decades, and JUST DAMN…. listening to people yammering about how to be financially responsible was a HUGE freaking mistake. Listening to them judge everybody else now makes me stomachly ill.

Wish I were the kind of woman I always hear men whining about… who took them for everything. I never did stoop to that kind of behavior, and always worked for what I have. What did it get me? Not so much. I’m just a sucker, I guess.

md

January 27th, 2012
4:17 pm

“I put 60% down five years ago, turned out to be the worst financial decision I’ve ever made.”

No difference than buying stocks…….homes are also a commodity……folks might want to remember that, and the inherent risk built in. Risk was always a component…….many just didn’t think about it.

md

January 27th, 2012
4:19 pm

“Your internet to be entertained on this blog is not free, unless you are doing it a public library or at work. And if you are doing it at work, aren’t you stealing from your employer?”

I am the employer………so this must be work vs entertainment :)

St Simons - the real life Andy Dufresne

January 27th, 2012
4:19 pm

the 3 rules that work for me, whether consulted or personal –

1) If your revenues/balance sheet total = 1.0 or more, you cant lose
2) don’t do something just because Arthur Andersen says to, and
3) If you get too far to the front of the board, u will get a free sand facial

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2012
4:20 pm

md,

“so this must be work vs entertainment”

:)

md

January 27th, 2012
4:22 pm

“Been saving via 401K for nearly two decades, and JUST DAMN”

Yep, me too…….and now it’s back to where it was…..how bought you?

St Simons - the real life Andy Dufresne

January 27th, 2012
4:23 pm

i encourage everybody to budget for entertainment. After all, the whole
reason for getting gettin up & workin your butt off is to Lead, Win, &
Have Fun.

some people don’t need as much encouraging as others

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2012
4:26 pm

md,

“Yep, me too…….and now it’s back to where it was…..how bought you?”

One of the largest portions of the mutual fund that makes up the largest part of my investments is Toyota. Enough said.

md

January 27th, 2012
4:27 pm

“listening to people yammering about how to be financially responsible was a HUGE freaking mistake. Listening to them judge everybody else now makes me stomachly ill.”

I represent that……..and you know why? Because I’ve been there already……..back in the 70’s and 90’s……lost everything. Now I put it out there so others might not have to do the same…….

But, it has also been my experience that some folks just have to experience the pain vs being told the stove is hot.

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2012
4:27 pm

St Simons

“Lead, Win, & Have Fun.”

I read that initially as “Lead, Wine, & Have Fun.” I’ll still go with that.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 27th, 2012
4:27 pm

359 — “Joe, I am sorry if I hurt your feelings.”

Didn’t hurt my feelings a bit. I think I hurt yours, though, given how defensive you got.

“Sometimes in our attempts to supply the “other side of the story” we react to people rather than problems.”

That must be why you went all meltdown then. Yeah. That’s it. You were trying to tell the “other side of the story” and you melted down.

“Truce?”

You can behave however you choose. I’ll treat you accordingly. In other words, I give what I get. If you’re polite and civil to me (even if we disagree), then you’ll get that in return. OTOH, if you choose to be a swingin’ Richard to me, well, I can dish that right back at you.

Your choice.

md

January 27th, 2012
4:30 pm

“i encourage everybody to budget for entertainment. After all, the whole
reason for getting gettin up & workin your butt off is to Lead, Win, &
Have Fun.”

And the point was, that one can grab a chair and sit on the beach in St Simons and it won’t cost them a dime………if they so choose.

“Can” and “choose” being the operative words………..

Matti

January 27th, 2012
4:33 pm

md: “Now I put it out there so others might not have to do the same…….”

I have no idea what you mean by “it” but I would welcome you putting something out here that might actually be useful to me. Simply presuming that people suffer because they made bad choices is shallow indeed. For one thing, we ALL made bad choices somewhere along the way. It’s the character with which we pushed through them and made the best of it that matters, IMO. The trouble is, in America, character doesn’t get you much. Greed, deception, and dishonesty? Taking advantage of the less-informed, or less-capable? These are virtues here, and will get you far, depending on how low you’re willing to go.

The only reward for doing the right thing is being able to face yourself in the mirror, knowing the person looking back isn’t a jerk. Beyond that, not much.

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2012
4:35 pm

Hmm….
“Roughly 100 people are in the courtroom, most of them older white Americans.”

Looking at that video…yep, pretty accurate description. Is that Jay next to the last in pink at :55?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/27/georgia-birther-hearing-obama_n_1236719.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

Welcome to the Occupation

January 27th, 2012
4:36 pm

Steve – USA: “I am less worried about having to work as an exploited laborer as I am of the government deciding my saving should be taken for the good of the country.”

That’s interesting in a couple of respects. As I think I mentioned a few days ago, we have now reached a point where the opportunity to be exploited for one’s labor is seen as a privilege. This is a breath-taking development and gives capitalism an almost unprecedented power.

There are great numbers of people nowadays who are rendered virtually structurally unemployable — they would give their arms to be ‘exploited’ for their wage labor.

But the second part of your statement is a little perplexing. Are you saying you deny the existence of the ‘good’ of the country? I think this is an attitude that is only possible in an Anglo-American land where this idea that the atomized individual can somehow take care of himself is rampant. It is going to fail.

359 more days

January 27th, 2012
4:38 pm

Well Joe, I tried.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 27th, 2012
4:42 pm

359 — “Well Joe, I tried.”

So did I.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
4:44 pm

Adam – “You did turn it into SHOULD a few times.”

should means optional…you don’t have to do it, but you should
SHALL on the other hand means WILL

at least in the world of standards and standardization

Mama Says

January 27th, 2012
4:45 pm

I had it Romney, Santorum, Paul and Newt, and Newt wasn’t that close.

If it was a boxing match he was counted out in th e1st round.

by the way Aquagirl–nice post show us your liberal concern for the fat people.

Jew Cowboy–since the population of the country is 68% white I would imagine it was mostly white in the room.

not mention that no liberal would ever support the cause –even if it were true

St Simons - the real life Andy Dufresne

January 27th, 2012
4:47 pm

he’s right. There were quite a few early times where we “chose” to sit
in plastic chairs and drink sweet tea, because it didn’t cost a dime.
But we budgeted for savings & entertainment.

And now, this 50-something accountant surfs
mrsstsimons says that’s all the entertainment she needs
then i go sit back down in my plastic chair

md

January 27th, 2012
4:48 pm

“Simply presuming that people suffer because they made bad choices is shallow indeed. For one thing, we ALL made bad choices somewhere along the way.”

Actually, they do…….and yes, we all made bad choices……..and every one of those bad choices come with consequences of some kind.

Not everybody understands that simple concept……..some see an opportunity to make an excuse vs just raising one’s hand and saying “well damn”…..and learn from it.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
4:48 pm

Welcome – “…we have now reached a point where the opportunity to be exploited for one’s labor is seen as a privilege.”

you can turn the tables and exploit them with the proper skill set

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
4:50 pm

md – I remember one thing my father impressed upon me….”the situation doesn’t make you who you are…only YOU can determine that!”

md

January 27th, 2012
4:53 pm

“md – I remember one thing my father impressed upon me….”the situation doesn’t make you who you are…only YOU can determine that!””

Good advice…..mine used to say “no, you can’t control every situation, but you can control how you respond to every situation”

Now time for the ride home……..

GT

January 27th, 2012
4:57 pm

Md you got to live in a good house, better than a lot of Americans. We had a free ride in America for years before the crash. Maybe even some of that money you or Matti put down on that house was from easy credit someone else had and bought what you were selling, that they wouldn’t have bought if the easy credit wasn’t there. Maybe you sold pet rocks and with credit cards some fool bought them, and you got your money for a down payment, that wouldn’t have existed if they person had to count out money from his pocket to your hand instead of a magical swipe of a card. But they let you keep that money and it never dawned on many of us we were making a lot of money for doing nothing. We were playing musical money chairs with cheap money.

You ever wonder where this money you feel you lost went? I mean it just didn’t vaporize it went somewhere. You buy a house from a builder and he takes his profit right there. Years later you can’t afford the house or you can and your neighbors can’t. Do they go back to that builder and demand that money back? No he still has his money. Do they go back to the loan originator or the lawyer and say this thing didn’t work we want our money back? No they get to keep their money right on up to Wall Street. This is how the rich got richer in many cases.

I once had a boss that said I will buy anything you have if you allow me one of two thing, price or terms. We started feeding product to the American public on terms. The producer booked his or her profit on the front end of these terms. What I never hear much of is the talk of retirement playing into this disaster. Easy credit made a lot of early retirees. Early retirees made a lot of pension funds that had to support a lot of non productive people. More dollars were chasing fewer deal since fewer people were producing deals so the quality of the deal got worse, junk bonds come to mind. We the American people lived an allusion we won the lottery and thought we had earned our luck. Go back to the 70s, look at underwriting criteria at that time, big down payments, two year job experience, on and on and then look at what we were doing in the 80s and 90s. We were on drugs. This should have been where conservative had an advantage, they would live conservative lives, but I saw more Rolex watches on the wrist of these types during this time than I had ever seen. Now they are mad they have been cheated. Maybe we all were cheating and hoping no one noticed.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 27th, 2012
5:00 pm

md: “Actually, they do…….and yes, we all made bad choices……..and every one of those bad choices come with consequences of some kind.”

But the thing you don’t seem to have an answer for is the question of what to do when a group of powerful interests usurps the ability to buy immunity from those consequences, and then building on that, the ability to pervert it into actually benefiting greater in proportion to how bad their decisions are. This is effectively how things work among certain parts of the CEO class for example.

Erwin: “we have now reached a point where the opportunity to be exploited for one’s labor is seen as a privilege. / you can turn the tables and exploit them with the proper skill set ”

That’s an incredibly utopian and wildly optimistic view to hold.

Needless to say, I don’t share it.

Wish I did, but I don’t.

jewcowboy

January 27th, 2012
5:03 pm

St Simons,

“there were quite a few early times where we “chose” to sit
in plastic chairs and drink sweet tea, because it didn’t cost a dime.”

Except the cost of the chairs, tea bags, water, energy to boil water, sugar, glasses and the costs associated with living in close proximate to a beach.

Perhaps I am being too literal, but NOTHING in life is free. Therefore, there is no way to 100% of your entertainment can be free.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
5:09 pm

I didn’t realize I lived in Utopia…Welcome

Most consultants (with the proper skill set) charge corps in the order of $150/hr…whose exploiting who?

YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 27th, 2012
5:15 pm

Paul
January 27th, 2012
1:55 pm
BTW – so now the Right is saying that Pres Obama was bound by a withdrawal date settled before he took the oath of office? – Yes, Iraq belongs to Iraq. That date was agreed upon by BOTH gov’ts. Obama wanted to stay longer but the the Iraqi’s said “Nope, a deals a deal”. We had to leave by the agreed upon date.

Just a couple months ago the line was we had to leave because he blew the negotiations. – Not from me.

Rule of Thumb: invent whatever history is necessary to make the Pres look bad – That may be YOUR rule, but it’s not mine. I didn’t do it to Bush (and he sucked) and I won’t do it to Obama (and he’s not so hot either).

Welcome to the Occupation

January 27th, 2012
5:19 pm

Erwin’s Cat: “I didn’t realize I lived in Utopia…Welcome”

You don’t. And that’s the problem.

“Most consultants (with the proper skill set) charge corps in the order of $150/hr…whose exploiting who?”

How many people are realistically in the position to become ‘consultants’ in the first place? Normally they need a very sophisticated set of IT and/or management skills to do that. And as I mentioned above, when technology has taken automation to unprecedented levels, those positions are often uprooted and shipped to other locales around the globe where they are paid at a fraction of the levels as here.

There will be a few who make it, no doubt. But nowhere enough to support a broad and thriving middle class.

YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 27th, 2012
5:21 pm

Welcome to the Occupation
January 27th, 2012
1:56 pm

Welcome, you do realize that you NEVER answer the question: “How do we create the world you envision”? DETAILS.
What type of gov’t would it be?
What would our society look like? i.e. colleges, business, religion, economic classes, ect?
DETAILS

YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 27th, 2012
5:24 pm

Adam
January 27th, 2012
2:02 pm
Hint: Some candidates actually are proposing eliminating nearly all laws and regulations for businesses, claiming they hamper business.

Cite? Linkee? Who? Details? Wait we shall.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
5:29 pm

Welcome – I never said the entire middle class could pull it off, but more than what you realize could…and the ones I know do not have sophisticated IT or mgmt skills, but have an expertise in a limited area….Everyone has a special skill or talent, the trick is learning to take advantage of it..granted not easy or for the meek of heart..

You choose to complain about the game, I choose to learn how to play it, ’cause you ain’t gonna change it and complaining about it never put money in my account or food on my table

Welcome to the Occupation

January 27th, 2012
5:31 pm

YOUR party SUCKS! “Welcome, you do realize that you NEVER answer the question: “How do we create the world you envision”? DETAILS.”

The burden is not on my to explain what a better world would look like down to the last detail. That requirement would rule out any action and condemn us to the present order forever.

And excuse me but I must have missed when the current global capitalist order won the bidding war for a permanent lease on the world, an open-ended contract as the ordering principle of the world regardless of its performance in perpetuity.

And how has it actually performed? Shall we take a look?

A tiny cabal of some 150 or so companies monopolizes something like 40% of the world’s wealth. You have unprecedented wealth concentrations in this country. Large parts of the world’s largest metropolises gigantic slums. An environment in peril with little or no will to address it.

To paraphrase Mitt Romney: I like being able to fire political-economic systems that fail miserably.

YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 27th, 2012
5:39 pm

stands for decibels
January 27th, 2012
2:37 pm
And you compare this to the calculated terror campaigns launched by the likes of Operation Rescue, targeting clinic workers and their families?

Like posting the names and addresses of police officers, bank workers, CEO’s, politicians that OWS does not agree with?

Not limited to one group.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 27th, 2012
5:42 pm

Erwin’s Cat: “You choose to complain about the game, I choose to learn how to play it, ’cause you ain’t gonna change it”

You’re cynicism is touchingly naive, Erwin.

I choose to reject the false opposition between learning to play it and complaining about it. Maybe learning the right way to complain about it is best way to play it. Maybe when OWS came out last fall and put its scalpel up to the present system’s weak spots, that system began shrieking with great ferocity and engaged in a violent counteraction to fend off the slightest attempt to cut into the tissue of the cancer that has metastasized all over its body.

So yeah, I think complaining still has the power to bring the ruling order to its knees yet.

bman

January 27th, 2012
5:43 pm

i’m not a Ron Paul kinda guy, but this is pretty good

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/debbiedowner/news/?a=53551

Welcome to the Occupation

January 27th, 2012
5:43 pm

Sorry Erwin, should read “Your cynicism is touchingly naive” . Guess I write phonologically.

YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 27th, 2012
5:54 pm

Adam
January 27th, 2012
2:59 pm
All of your examples except the last one make an assumption that every single family is splurging somewhere significantly,

Adam, you don’t get it. YOU are the ONLY one saying EVERY SINGLE FAMILY. YOU. AND. ONLY. YOU.

YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 27th, 2012
5:57 pm

Adam
January 27th, 2012
3:01 pm
Most families do not have that same capability.

Hey look everybody, Adam knows MOST families. He must to know what MOST families can or can’t do without.

Your Christmas card list must be ginormous. :shock:

Joe Hussein Mama

January 27th, 2012
6:03 pm

E. Cat — “Most consultants (with the proper skill set) charge corps in the order of $150/hr…whose exploiting who?”

I was routinely billed out at $200/hour for the last 18-24 months that I was doing consulting work. And that was almost 10 years ago.

bman

January 27th, 2012
6:05 pm

well dang (ir)Rational .. .. hang in there.

Vast Right Wing Conspiracy

January 27th, 2012
6:15 pm

Remember, a road dog would make a better president than President Food Stamps, so this is no big deal.

Bill Campbell

January 27th, 2012
6:32 pm

Obama will studder in a debate! The worst American President in history!!

Jay

January 27th, 2012
6:33 pm

Oh Lordy …

MIAMI —Former House speaker Newt Gingrich said Friday that the reason he seemed less combative during Thursday’s televised debate was that he was shocked by what he described as rival Mitt Romney’s “totally dishonest” replies to several questions.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
7:14 pm

Joe -“I was routinely billed out at $200/hour for the last 18-24 months that I was doing consulting work. And that was almost 10 years ago”

I hear ya, but I didn’t want to seem over the top….In one off the charts opportunity I could have billed a client $35k for an afternoons working meeting…it would have been paid out over time if my guidance met certain milestones along the course of a project….sometimes its a simple as know which button to push when….in the end they figured it was cheaper to hire me direct

Doggone/GA

January 27th, 2012
7:14 pm

“what he described as rival Mitt Romney’s “totally dishonest” replies to several questions”

Translation: he can play Gringrich’s game better than Gringrich thought he could

md

January 27th, 2012
7:14 pm

“You ever wonder where this money you feel you lost went? I mean it just didn’t vaporize it went somewhere.”

Actually, it did……..for example stocks, the value one sees in one’s account is merely a paper amount….it is NEVER realized until cashed in…….and whatever it is cashed in for is what is is worth.

Which is why one shouldn’t sell once they’ve lost a big chunk as all that does is lock in the loss.

It goes back to the saying that “everything is worth nothing until a buyer is found”……and the operative word is worth……not value.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
7:20 pm

Welcome – “You’re cynicism is touchingly naive, Erwin. “

then that makes two of us

I like to think of myself as a positive cynic, Welcome :D

md

January 27th, 2012
7:20 pm

As for my “losing everything”, it was literally ervrything…….jobs, cash, cars, furniture, you name it. One situation was during a wonderful 3rd party union negotiation……they demanded all or nothing.

We ALL got NOTHING.

(meanwhile, they (union boys) slithered up north and rejoined their brethren….3rd party unions should be banned in my opinion…..nothing wrong with unionizing within a company though)

Do I have to think of a name? I just want to say something before I run out of time!

January 27th, 2012
7:23 pm

GT@ 4:17pm: I’m thinking that was the best thought out, best spoken comment I’ve ever seen on an open thread anywhere for a long time.

Caveat: I don’t get out a lot anymore.

md

January 27th, 2012
7:24 pm

Occupation……the notion that a small few hold all the chips is naive in and of itself as consumers hold just as much power…….but that power is diminished as most aren’t aware it is there.

Gates wouldn’t be rich today had most folks opted for the Mac instead…….

Joe Hussein Mama

January 27th, 2012
7:26 pm

E. Cat — “….sometimes its a simple as know which button to push when….in the end they figured it was cheaper to hire me direct”

On my final engagement before I came off the road, the client *did* hire one guy permanently, and he and his wife moved to Washington, DC. They kinda hinted that they wanted me too, but I wasn’t keen on moving to the area (costs and traffic are a bear) and my wife wanted me to just stop with the craziness (this was in 2003 and I had worked in DC since right before 9/11) and come home.

She didn’t want me to go back out on the road, but I talked to other consulting firms while I was looking for local work (it took about 2 months to get an appropriate non-travel gig). One of the firms I spoke to wanted me for a major project in the Midwest; they said it would be 18 months minimum and probably longer than that, but they wanted me to relocate at my own expense.

I said no, which turned out to be wise. The client was a state government, the consulting firm effed the project ALL up and the state sued the crap out of them. Glad I didn’t cast my lot in with THEM.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
7:32 pm

md – i get it…been laid off twice and in both instances…i burned thru savings and got behind the 8, but never lost a lot except some prize possessions i sold to make a couple more house payments….things got tough at times, but could’ve got worse…in some ways i was lucky or blessed…in the end they were great life experiences…once you survive…i get my depression era grandparents even better
in both instances I eventually landed in a better place

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
7:40 pm

Joe – Even a blind squirrel….I had a couple good opps I turned down due to location and my commitment to be close to my folks…they’re old and time is short…anyway both got bought out and merged which likely would have put me on the streets….not all if not most of my good fortune is my fault :)

Joe Hussein Mama

January 27th, 2012
7:51 pm

You’ve got to play it safe with IT and consulting gigs, especially with the smaller firms. They get bought out awfully easily, and then you’re out on your butt.

I’ll probably stay where I am until I’m ready to retire. The work can be long hours sometimes, but it’s mostly manageable without high time pressure, which lets me concentrate on quality, not quantity. Plus I’m really close to home, and so’s my wife’s job. That’s a big plus in this city.

md

January 27th, 2012
7:53 pm

EC……exactly.

Like the example of the stove…..one can tell a child not to touch it that it is “hot”, but a child won’t know what “hot” is until s/he touches it….

Your Party SUCKS........But My Party is GRRRRRREAT!!!! (formerly That Black Guy)

January 27th, 2012
7:57 pm

md
January 27th, 2012
3:39 pm
“First of all, I don’t know what world you live in, but “100% of entertainment: is not a want. I’m not going to get into specific percentages, but unless you want people jumping in front of trains and off of buildings, the human being as a species needs entertain.
md

January 27th, 2012
3:39 pm

Now you are starting to sound like Adam……..ever heard of a park? or Beach? or hiking in the woods?

All free………won’t cost you a dime.

Choices……..

Now, speaking for the “Take It To The Extreme Crowd (Adam, TaxPayer, Butch, et al)”

Yeah but you gotta drive to the beach or park and that costs money.

Even if you live at the beach or near the park, you got to buy food to have the energy to go to the park/beach.

Or, My favorite. You gotta pay taxes to drive on the roads to get to the park/beach to have fun for “free”.

Joe Hussein Mama

January 27th, 2012
7:57 pm

Speaking of long hours, I’m out for tonight. Work’s got me all weekend, so it can’t have me any more tonight.

Everyone play nice, be well and drive safely.

Erwin's cat

January 27th, 2012
7:57 pm

Joe and md…cheers…if i could slide a virtual glass (3 fingers) of JW Blue your way, i would…

md

January 27th, 2012
10:10 pm

“Yeah but you gotta drive to the beach or park and that costs money.

Even if you live at the beach or near the park, you got to buy food to have the energy to go to the park/beach.

Or, My favorite. You gotta pay taxes to drive on the roads to get to the park/beach to have fun for “free”.”

We all know “free” is a relative term when it comes to taxes and services, ie parks.

That being said, those parks are “free” to use…….living near one is also a choice….same with the beach…..or the mountains….or the forest.

As for the food for energy, that would fall under a need on a different part of the chart that was being referenced. If you want to jump into the conversation, you might want to bone up on the specifics that were discussed.

md

January 27th, 2012
10:15 pm

yps…..sorry, on quick glance, I thought I saw occupation making that response…..after looking again I see you are actually in agreement…..

independent thinker

January 28th, 2012
5:56 am

Looks like all the gas and hot air leaked out of Newt. Maybe the Republicans need to throw Jan Brewer into the circus lineup. She can do that mean girl routine very well.

Eli Jones

January 28th, 2012
9:13 am

Remember Nancy Pelosi saying, “We Got To Pass It To Know What’s In It”. Well, here’s what’s in it! Obamacare is funding “Obama’s Personal Civilian Army” called the “Ready Reserve Corps”. It is authorized in section 203 & section 5210 on page 1312 in the “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA)” or “OBAMACARE”. Remember, during his campaign, Obama called for his personal Million Man civilian army to be loyal only to him. Obama also stated that his personal civilian army should be more powerful than our US Military. There is a clip of Obama saying these very words in the video. Watch the idiots applauding as Obama says this. Obama is right now gutting our military and at the same time beefing up his personal thug army. Watch This Short Video And Be Informed Of What The Nazi In The White House Has Planned For You! Please Spread The Word to our fellow Patriots! ALL OF THEM!

“Obama’s Personal Army”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htw7shWR3oU

Please Sign The Petition To Force The Repeal Of Obamacare & call your elected reps, Then Pass The Site On To EVERYONE That You Know.

https://repealhealthcareact.org/invest.aspx

Welcome to the Occupation

January 28th, 2012
10:14 am

md: “the notion that a small few hold all the chips is naive in and of itself as consumers hold just as much power…”

Really? Naive to think that a small few hold all the chips? At a time when our highest levels of government increasingly form a revolving door with Wall St. firms like Goldman Sachs? When managers’ earnings compared to average workers at their firms are at stratospheric, unprecedented levels? I think the real naivete is to think that non politically mobilized consumers have a prayer against such organized interests.

“….but that power is diminished as most aren’t aware it is there.”

Couldn’t agree more, but therein lies the problem. That lack of awareness is hardly accidental (see mass media/entertainment as numbing spectacle, etc.). The very reduction of the political to a form of consumerism is precisely one of the core dysfunctions of our age (and characteristic of both the left and the right by the way).

And by the way, Bill Gates reaped his windfalls not through anything necessarily superior about his Microsoft product (I think most would agree their products have always been anything but superior quality-wise) but through extremely clever maneuvering to capture the market by making his OS the virtual ’standard’ on machines. From that point on, once a critical mass had been reached, Microsoft could then essentially charge the entire world (or 90% of it) ‘rent’ to access and use their machines, a move that has revolutionized not only IT, but capitalism itself in important ways.

Welcome to the Occupation

January 28th, 2012
10:20 am

“Please Sign The Petition To Force The Repeal Of Obamacare & call your elected reps, Then Pass The Site On To EVERYONE That You Know.”

Don’t you Birchers have some sort of retreat to go to this weekend, Eli?

The Nuts In Georgia Are Falling Out Of The Trees (and they ain't pecans)

January 28th, 2012
12:41 pm

It’s hard to guess what the lunatics on this blog will do and say next.

They hate Obama so much that they are all GOING INSANE.

Good…………then we can lock them all away FOEVER.

The Nuts In Georgia Are Falling Out Of The Trees (and they ain't pecans)

January 28th, 2012
12:47 pm

Eli Jones
January 28th, 2012
9:13 am
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YOU sound like a RACIST LUNATIC.

Take your lies and shove them.

You are a lying coward

I bet you would not say those things in person.

The only words we are going to spread to your patriots are SHOVE IT.