When the bluster fades, this is Newt Gingrich
I didn’t watch last night’s umpteenth Republican presidential debate. I had a prior commitment with some poker-playing friends, although given the night’s outcome, watching the debate would have been a smarter financial option on my part.
By all accounts, Mitt Romney again took on the role of aggressor against Newt Gingrich, and Gingrich again shrank from the confrontation.
As Politico describes it, Gingrich “simply seemed worn out and off point. Gone was the brawler who could whip up the crowd. And it’s not quite clear where he went… he did not seem to be enjoying the heat of battle as in past debates.”
At one point, Gingrich reportedly tried to rebut a Romney attack by complaining to Mitt that “you’re very quick to draw the widest possible exaggeration,” which is truly priceless considering the source. I’m sorry I missed that moment.
The Washington Post was no more kind in its after-action report, concluding that “Gingrich was just plain off his game … looked less prepared and never really recovered.“
None of that surprises me. A strong showing in this last Florida debate was crucial to Gingrich, whose post-South Carolina momentum has faded in recent days. He needed another strong, aggressive showing and did not produce it, but that is consistent with his history.
At heart, Gingrich is a bully who backs down when confronted. He likes to challenge members of the media in public, safe in the knowledge that their profession does not allow them to return fire. He is well-skilled at creating and then dismantling strawmen. And he is supremely confident when he senses that he has succeeded in intimidating his target.
But when the critical moment comes, he deflates. As speaker, he shrunk from Bill Clinton, to the point that his aides and lieutenants didn’t want to have them in the same room lest a passive Gingrich agree to too much. In these debates, once Romney decided to fight back aggressively, Newt has repeatedly retreated. In the previous debate, he was left speechless and flustered by a pressing Romney, and apparently he still hasn’t recovered his bluster.
When asked last night to discuss his campaign-trail attacks on Romney’s bank accounts in Switzerland and the Caymans, Newt pulled a Pawlenty, explaining that “I’m perfectly happy to say that in an interview on some TV show, but this is a national debate where you have a chance to get the four of us to talk about a whole range of issues.”
To which Romney responded:
“Wouldn’t it be nice if people didn’t make accusations somewhere else that they weren’t willing to defend here?”
If and when the time came, Gingrich would have done the same when pitted against Barack Obama. In baseball, they say that a player is what his numbers say he is.
This is who Gingrich is.
– Jay Bookman
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Bruno (Am I the only one who thinks 50 word blog names are stupid??)
January 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
I missed last night’s debate, but apparently the Newster didn’t do so well. Whether this represents an off night, or signals the beginning of the end of his campaign, only time will tell. I’m more than reluctant to accept Jay’s analysis here due to the fact that his intense personal hatred for Newt has clouded any objectivity in his reporting thus far. Ditto for most of the Libs here.
Though he would definitely be my second choice, I strongly believe that Romney would be a vast improvement over Obama in every way. Just having an adult in charge would be a major plus. Obama’s public confrontation of Gov. Brewer earlier this week proves that. Obama is many things, but a statesman definitely isn’t one of them.
Orange12
January 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
I seem to have asked the wrong question the last few days…
It’s not Did Romney pay ANY taxes in 2008….it should be
Did Romney pay ANY taxes in 2009?
Gee Granny, I bet he paid a little more than you did.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 27th, 2012
12:18 pm
Welcome,
I sincerely thank you for your response. Don’t take this the wrong way because perhaps I am to cynical but do you have a plan “B”?
jewcowboy
January 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
md,
“And not having an emergency fund is just stupid………….shows poor planning.”
And/or a growing reality for the majority of Americans.
http://www.creditloan.com/infographics/how-the-average-consumer-spends-their-paycheck/
stands for decibels
January 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
Callista would be yanking out Michelle’s garden
is that what the kids are calling it nowadays?
Bruno
January 27th, 2012
12:19 pm
Quick straw poll: Who do you guys think will win the next election?? Assuming that Mitt goes on to win the nomination, I see him as the odds-on favorite, in the same way that I saw Obama as the odds-on favorite given Bush’s unpopularity.
1 vote for Mitt.
md
January 27th, 2012
12:20 pm
“Your insistence that I only make excuses is what is actually a choice.”
Yes it is….you choose to make excuses……..
“Saving up a 6 month emergency fund is not a choice for most people”
Yes it is…….as I said before, it can be done in small increments……but a choice none the less. (Had you said “some” people, you might have a point, but you chose to use “most”)
“Sure, different housing prices are a choice, as is the choice to sign a lease or a loan agreement. I am not defending people who overborrow KNOWING they can’t afford it or would have a really hard time affording it. What I AM saying is that people who make the choice to get a mortgage on a house that they are MORE than capable of paying every month do not deserve to be judged as making the wrong choice when the entire economy collapses and their job gets caught in the meltdown.”
A house is a commodity, no different than a stock……….there are no guarantees……ever. So, if one doesn’t want the risk, make the corresponding choice…….otherwise, one can make excuses like you do.
Kamchak
January 27th, 2012
12:20 pm
midtownguy
As I have stated before, I think Ms. Clinton has the sharpest political mind of a generation, so the fact the she is the most polarizing figure on the U.S. political landscape cannot have escaped her attention. I still maintain that the 2008 race was a carefully coordinated effort to insure that the most electable Democrat made it to the Oval Office.
Assuming that Obama is reelected, I think we would be better served by Elizabeth Warren in 2016.
getalife
January 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
That witch from Arizona was begging our President to bailout her state but our President told he to get back on her broom .
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
January 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
Oh, this doesn’t bode well for Conservatives:
U.S. Recovery Slowly Gained Speed in Late ’11</i?
nytimes.com
(ir)Rational
January 27th, 2012
12:22 pm
jewcowboy – Yeah, her dad is a scary man. He is the reason I didn’t even consider trying to kiss her until about the 5th date. And that was in high school.
JHM – I’m sure that is part of the problem, that we’re talking past each other, and I’m honestly having fun doing it. Great Friday sport if you ask me. I always forget how dangerous it can be to imply that I might be defending Newt’s record on marriage here. Your suggestion of lunch is a good one, think I’ll take that now.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 27th, 2012
12:22 pm
Steve USA: “Don’t take this the wrong way because perhaps I am to cynical but do you have a plan “B”?”
Do I have a plan B for what?
Looks like what we have is already a plan B. And what that is is clear as day: increasing instability and economic injustice, outbursts of violence, war, and poverty.
barking frog
January 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
stands, 12:19, don’t know about the kids but when
michelle planted her garden i think she pulled out
Laura’s bush..
md
January 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
“in order to save up that much, the person making the commitment would have to save up over the course of several years if he or she also wants to continue to take care of their family and themselves at the same time as saving”
Interesting that you can see what it might take to get there but find it easier to make an excuse to dismiss the idea altogether…………..
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
“Quick straw poll: Who do you guys think will win the next election??”
I think Obama will. I don’t like his views but if he loses it is because the economy weakens over this year and I really, really don’t want that to happen. He was beatable but you have to have someone better that what the Republicans came up with.
stands for decibels
January 27th, 2012
12:23 pm
And/or a growing reality for the majority of Americans.
And that may be a somewhat rosy picture, given that it’s average, and not median. But illuminating nevertheless. The transportation figure didn’t surprise me, but I bet most would not guess that the average family spends ~3x more on transportation than they do on entertainment, given that we’re constantly being told what irresponsible spendthrifts we are.
Bruno
January 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
That witch from Arizona was begging our President to bailout her state but our President told he to get back on her broom .
Obama didn’t like the way that Brewer characterized a meeting they had last year in her new book. Obama, the immature one, decided that the airport tarmac was the most appropriate venue to hash it out.
Sorry the guy has turned out to be such an embarrassment for y’all……
Grace Howard
January 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
My choice is Romney. My late father said “Always try to elect the richest man possible; they have more of a stake in the success and prosperity of the country.”
midtownguy
January 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
I believe Obama will win if the economy continues to improve and Romney will win if it doesn’t. The majority vote their pocketbooks. Unemployed or underemployed citizens do not vote for the sitting president. A large number of these will be recent college graduates who voted for Obama last time who now can’t get a job in profession.
stands for decibels
January 27th, 2012
12:26 pm
for bf @ 12.23…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNQNF6rKnDk
Crouching in your pea patch
Plowing through your bean field
Planting my seed
getalife
January 27th, 2012
12:27 pm
bruno,
You bought her story like a good ole gullible con.
If you check her State finances you will find the truth.
She begged for help and our President said no.
You don’t disrespect our President then beg for help.
Stonethrower
January 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
My choice is President Obama but Mitt will win. Elite!
Bruno
January 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
I don’t like his views but if he loses it is because the economy weakens over this year and I really, really don’t want that to happen.
Steve–The main issue for me is Obamacare. As a healthcare provider/actuary, I can explain to you in great detail as to why a forced insurance mandate is the worst possible solution to our overpriced system. Only the die-hard Obama supporters are defending it.
Kamchak
January 27th, 2012
12:28 pm
Sorry the guy has turned out to be such an embarrassment for y’all……
Perhaps you could point out where any of, “y’all” have explicitly stated they were embarrassed?
md
January 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
Jewco……from your link, it seems that average consumer unit also has about 20% of expenditures that are not necessities…….meaning choices?
Bruno
January 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
My choice is Romney. My late father said “Always try to elect the richest man possible; they have more of a stake in the success and prosperity of the country.”
Grace–you raise an interesting point, one I’ve been thinking about lately. Do you want the strongest guy in the room, or the weakest guy in the room in charge. We’ve tried the “Governance by the weak” system for the past 3 + years, and I don’t see it working at all.
BOB FROM ACCOUNT TEMPS
January 27th, 2012
12:30 pm
they don’t call him “NEWTER” for nothing
getalife
January 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
Hardly embarrassed bruno.
We have a competent President accomplishing more than most Presidents.
All willard does is lie and flip flop.
This is a very easy choice.
Four more years.
RB from Gwinnett
January 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
How many Gingrich bashing posts is this in the past 30 days now, Jay? 60? 70? Geez…
How about posting the bill Obama is pushing to raise the capital gains tax so Buffett pays more than his help? Could you do that for us? I havne’t been able to find it. All I seem to find is whining.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
Bruno: “Obama didn’t like the way that Brewer characterized a meeting they had last year in her new book. Obama, the immature one, decided that the airport tarmac was the most appropriate venue to hash it out.”
Have to say I do agree with this in part.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 27th, 2012
12:31 pm
Well, seeing as how Bruno is on here and it being awful on a Friday to be single, lonesome, and dumped like a load of horse manure , I thought I’d get a early start on FNM. Good think most of us ain’t dumb enough to let our girl know where we hang out to blog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrojFR7jM9E
barking frog
January 27th, 2012
12:32 pm
Marry a woman who owns a beer company,when the
economy goes down beer sales go up -John McCain
JOE Cool
January 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
“Quick straw poll: Who do you guys think will win the next election??”
Obama will win as long as the economy continues to trend the way it has over the past year.
Not to mention the candidates the Rep, have up are not what the Repub really want.
getalife
January 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
“All I seem to find is whining.”
Ye old pot to kettle.
joe the plumber
January 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
not only am i greatly disappointed with the current occupant of the white house, but also the four repubs trying to get there.
Normal
January 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
Brother Bruno,
“Governance by the weak”
I think he has an excellently strong foreign policy…just ask OBL…
Joe Hussein Mama
January 27th, 2012
12:33 pm
Bruno — “Obama, the immature one, decided that the airport tarmac was the most appropriate venue to hash it out.
I’ll see your accusation and raise you some gubernatorial finger-wagging and head-bobbing. If anyone was being immature, it was the Governor. Even if Obama initiated the exchange, she should be mature enough to calmly say something on the order of ‘we’re not going to have this conversation right here, right now, Mr. President, but I look forward to having it with you in private at our earliest mutual convenience.’
IMO, the fact that she was pointing fingers and he just walked away says it all to me. That’s exactly what I’d do if someone presumed to speak to me like that in public, and I’d hope you’d do the sam if someone spoke to *you* like that in public.
“Sorry the guy has turned out to be such an embarrassment for y’all……”
Embarrassment for *you,* perhaps.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 27th, 2012
12:34 pm
Bruno,
I am to first to admit that I am not an expert on everything and that includes how pricing works in the healthcare industry.
….but are you saying you don’t think Obama will win or you just don’t want him to?
magic 8 ball
January 27th, 2012
12:35 pm
the repubs are not trying to win the wh this year. this is a show to purge the system of all the old guard and get fresh faces for 2016
John Birch
January 27th, 2012
12:36 pm
midtown – Pretty safe read and probably accurate. The mess in the ME is rarely front page news anymore so it’s all about the economy. I think we’re doomed to long slow recovery at best unless we get one more bubble, maybe a nanotechnology bubble when they creat cancer eaters.
They BOTH suck
January 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
Bruno
If economy keeps heading in the right direction: Obama in a close one.
Close like Bush Kerry close
JOE Cool
January 27th, 2012
12:37 pm
“Unemployed or underemployed citizens do not vote for the sitting president.”
Thats not necessarily true…If you’re a recently unemployed person, you have to ask yourself, do you vote for the man that would like to at least keep unemployment benefits around to at least in some way or the man that says cut, cut cut.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
“Obama didn’t like the way that Brewer characterized a meeting they had last year in her new book. Obama, the immature one, decided that the airport tarmac was the most appropriate venue to hash it out.”
The guy does seem pretty thin skinned.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
Bruno – “Obama, the immature one, decided that the airport tarmac was the most appropriate venue to hash it out.
Sorry the guy has turned out to be such an embarrassment for y’all……”
As opposed to Gingrich scolding John King on National television. Embarrasing like that?
getalife
January 27th, 2012
12:38 pm
“GINGRICH CRIES FOUL: DEBATE AUDIENCE WAS STACKED FOR ROMNEY…”drudgey.
Does that embarrass you bruno?
Shawny
January 27th, 2012
12:40 pm
Romney ruled last night. Santorum had the best line when he said that they should talk about the issues and not bark back and forth about someone’s tax returns or income (which is refreshing to hear).
Jay, I am playing poker next Sat night and based on your performance, you are invited.
Bruno
January 27th, 2012
12:40 pm
….but are you saying you don’t think Obama will win or you just don’t want him to?
Steve, my gambler’s instinct says that Obama will be a one-termer for several reasons. I perceive him as a “rebound” relationship. After our “messy divorce” with Bush, he was the first guy to come along. The fact that he was a “blank slate” by comparison helped him tremendously. Now that the bitterness of the Bush divorce has worn off somewhat, the new guy ain’t looking so good in his own right.
TaxPayer
January 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
Boehner has not stopped crying ever since Newt outed Mitt for his low tax rate.
midtownguy
January 27th, 2012
12:44 pm
Good point, JOE.
barking frog
January 27th, 2012
12:46 pm
Bruno, My day used to tell a story about a man looking to
buy a farm and only two were for sale. He looked at the
first one and said I will take the other one. The agent said
but you haven’t seen the other one. The man said I have to
have a farm and I sure don’t want this one. the President
has no defense to this attitude.
Kamchak
January 27th, 2012
12:46 pm
Jan Brewer, describing her requested meeting with Obama in 2010: “very cordial conversation.”
Jan Brewer describing that same meeting in her book: “It wasn’t long before I realized I was hearing the president’s stump speech,” she wrote. “Only I was supposed to listen without talking.”
She called him “patronizing.”
“Then it dawned on me: He’s treating me like the cop he had over for a beer after he badmouthed the Cambridge police, I thought,” Brewer continued. “He thinks he can humor me and then get rid of me.”
Maybe the meeting on the tarmac was about how big of a lying scumbag she is.
Just speculatin’.
Regina
January 27th, 2012
12:46 pm
When the bluster fades, this is Barrack Obama.
Bruno
January 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
As opposed to Gingrich scolding John King on National television. Embarrasing like that?
John King deserved to be scolded. If he wanted to raise up questions about Newt’s affairs and how that impacted his trustworthiness as a political candidate, that’s fine. But, instead, he went straight for the gutter with some “he said-she said” BS about a supposed open marriage request.
I’m sure the difference will be lost on you, but that’s my take on things.
TaxPayer
January 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
It’s not fair that Mitt pays a lower tax rate than memememe! — Newt
JOE Cool
January 27th, 2012
12:47 pm
Off topic, but for the football fans. lol
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/p5dC4HWOiXcFJhHtxszqHQ–/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA–/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnflexperts/Billy-Cundiff-web-store.jpg
TaxPayer
January 27th, 2012
12:49 pm
I did not lose my TEMPER! I said, “Look HERE, at the booboo on my FINGER! — Jan Brewer
Joe Hussein Mama
January 27th, 2012
12:50 pm
Bruno — “John King deserved to be scolded. If he wanted to raise up questions about Newt’s affairs and how that impacted his trustworthiness as a political candidate, that’s fine.”
I’ll be holding you to this statement when the time comes, as I’m sure it will.
Bookmarked.
mm
January 27th, 2012
12:52 pm
Bruno,
“Only the die-hard Obama supporters are defending it.”
I don’t think anybody defends the insurance mandate. The only reason it was added was to get the insurance companies onboard. This would give them 30 million new paying customers. Without it, they stand to lose a fortune. So you folks that don’t like the mandate are the ones screwing your beloved insurance companies. Without the new customers, the insurers are just going to charge more to the folks that have insurance.
DawgDad
January 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
“Boehner has not stopped crying ever since Newt outed Mitt for his low tax rate.”
Mitt does NOT have a “low tax rate” in any unfair sense. He pays to the same rate schedule, based on his income and capital gains, as anyone else would.
Disgusted
January 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
Iranian courts have sentenced two bloggers to death for “spreading corruption.”
Those bloggers—a dangerous lot.
barking frog
January 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
Romney said he will repeal Obamacare if he is elected
President. This is the first flat lie I have heard him expound.
Even with a Republican Congress he will not, modify maybe,
but not repeal. Too many benefits to many corporations and
the medical profession and voters.
Kamchak
January 27th, 2012
1:01 pm
He pays to the same rate schedule, based on his income and capital gains, as anyone else would.
“Anyone else” isn’t trying to win a popularity contest.
TaxPayer
January 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
Mitt does NOT have a “low tax rate” in any unfair sense.
That’s not exactly what Boehner, or any other Republican, thought was “unfair”. The attack on lower taxes and on a job creator to boot by another Republican was hitting below the belt and that was unfair. Of course it made Boehner cry. FOUL!!!!!! Only non-Republicans would see anything unfair about conducting two wars and handing out two big tax cuts and doling out a prescription drug company benefit and charging it all only to come back later and point the finger at the poor and middle class for not carrying their weight.
Disgusted
January 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
I don’t think anybody defends the insurance mandate. The only reason it was added was to get the insurance companies onboard. This would give them 30 million new paying customers.
Maybe that’s one reason. The primary reason is that without adding younger, healthier people to the insurance pool, the cost of insuring people with preexisting conditions at standard rates becomes prohibitive. There’s a reason many of those in need are without coverage, and it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with poverty. Take away the mandate and we’ll all see our health insurance premiums blast into the stratosphere, while we continue to give millions a free ride through higher premiums and taxes to cover those emergency room visits. At the very least, if ACA stands without the mandate, we ought to remove the law that requires hospitals to render care regardless of ability to pay.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
TaxPayer – ” only to come back later and point the finger at the poor and middle class for not carrying their weight.”
Hey, if anyone from the GOP really wants to get “hands on” for their party, next time you’re in a Wal Mart, be sure to bitch slap the greeter on your way out. After all, chances are pretty good that he/she falls into that 47% category that you hate so much.
RB from Gwinnett
January 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
Dawg – “Mitt does NOT have a “low tax rate” in any unfair sense. He pays to the same rate schedule, based on his income and capital gains, as anyone else would.”
Keep in mind you’re arguing with the morons who believe Obama when he says Buffet’s secretary pays higher taxes than Buffet. They can’t even figure out Obama keeps whining about effective tax rates while threatening to raise INCOME taxes which will do absolutely nothing to change the situation he’s whining about. They can’t get past that tingle up their leg feeling for thinking they’re going to get some rich people’s money long engouh to figure that out.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
RB from Gwinnett – “They can’t get past that tingle up their leg feeling for thinking they’re going to get some rich people’s money”
Exactly, why do you think Obama wants to take away their guns? So that the rich will be defenseless when the “libs” come to storm the castle and take away all their money.
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:11 pm
mm,
You’re calling bs? And as usual you would be wrong. China has enormous built in advantages, scale, speed of assembly, the ability to hire thousands of people in a single day. $17 a day to a worker working on an assembly line making I-phones. How much would the average American worker cost on the same type of assembly line??? Do the math mm. $17 an hour American worker vs 17$ a day Chinese worker?
Now there are some technology experts who believe that here in America that we could in fact make the I-phone with only an extra $65 in labor costs if you believe that. But labor isn’t the only reason why its substantially cheaper to make the I-phone in China.
Oh. And one other thing. In a typical $500 I-phone only $180 of the actual mfg component cost is spent overseas making it. The other $320 is spent here in America on the engineering design, software, transporting, etc.
This is an interesting article on why they are kicking our tails.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/business/apple-america-and-a-squeezed-middle-class.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
Apple executives say that going overseas, at this point, is their only option. One former executive described how the company relied upon a Chinese factory to revamp iPhone manufacturing just weeks before the device was due on shelves. Apple had redesigned the iPhone’s screen at the last minute, forcing an assembly line overhaul. New screens began arriving at the plant near midnight.
A foreman immediately roused 8,000 workers inside the company’s dormitories, according to the executive. Each employee was given a biscuit and a cup of tea, guided to a workstation and within half an hour started a 12-hour shift fitting glass screens into beveled frames. Within 96 hours, the plant was producing over 10,000 iPhones a day.
“The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.”
It goes on to say in the article that 8700 engineers were hired to oversee production in one facility. To hire those same 8700 engineers in the U.S. would have taken almost a year.
Bruno
January 27th, 2012
1:13 pm
Later gators and taters.
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Disgusted
January 27th, 2012
12:57 pm
Iranian courts have sentenced two bloggers to death for “spreading corruption.”
No surprise there. They regularly hang gays for gasp… being gay. Such nice benevolent folks there in the religion of Islam.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
Thulsa Doom – ““The speed and flexibility is breathtaking,” the executive said. “There’s no American plant that can match that.”
I’m sure we could if Americans were willing to live in company dorms and be “roused” for a twleve hour workday after a hearty breakfast of a biscuit and some tea. But alas, those damn labor laws prohibit such activities for the sake of profit.
RB from Gwinnett
January 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
Doomy – They also don’t seem to get that the US is not the only market Chinese made iPhones are shipped into. Likely a larger percentage than elsewhere in the world, but not the only market. If you look at your market globally, as Apple is doing, it makes more sense. Not sure most of these liberals have the mental capacity to get that.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
January 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Cosby
January 27th, 2012
9:57 am
Breathe son….Breathe
Feel better?
Good
Now STFU!
Mick
January 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
rb
You are not exactly a mental giant yourself, so cool out and get off the high horse, unless you happen to be a closet communist…
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
RB from Gwinnett – “Not sure most of these liberals have the mental capacity to get that.”
Get what, that you would prefer the Unioted States go back to the good old days of sweat shops, no safety regulations, company store, 7 day work weeks and 5 year olds shoveling coal into boilers?
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
January 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
barking frog
January 27th, 2012
9:59 am
He could give Johnny Cochran a run for his money.
Only if he diggs him up and hooks up with Dr. Frakenstein.
sam
January 27th, 2012
1:23 pm
i like that obama told that lady off..she trashes him in a book, tells a bunch of lies and expects him to be all smiles and hugs when she greets him at the airport? F that ho
mm
January 27th, 2012
1:24 pm
RB,
“They can’t get past that tingle up their leg feeling for thinking they’re going to get some rich people’s money long engouh to figure that out.”
Still singing the “poor folks want our money” song?
Thulsa @ 1:11,
You just the ideology that’s going to get your party crushed in November. America has had it with corporations caring more about profit than the citizens that buy it’s products.
moonbat betty
January 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
“F that ho”
~that’s what he said
RB from Gwinnett
January 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
Butch – “I’m sure we could if Americans were willing to live in company dorms and be “roused” for a twleve hour workday after a hearty breakfast of a biscuit and some tea. But alas, those damn labor laws prohibit such activities for the sake of profit.”
Our problem is the work ethic doesn’t match the education level/job skills in our labor pool. People who’s job skills are worth $9/hr won’t work for $9/hr. That’s why there are 10MM mexicans here doing the work for them.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:26 pm
sam – “she trashes him in a book, tells a bunch of lies and expects him to be all smiles and hugs when she greets him at the airport?”
Of course, if it was Gingrich doing the same thing, he would get a 5 minute standing ovation from the minions in the audience and an immediate 5 point lead over Romney.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 27th, 2012
1:29 pm
“Get what, that you would prefer the Unioted States go back to the good old days of sweat shops, no safety regulations, company store, 7 day work weeks and 5 year olds shoveling coal into boilers?”
Of course not, but we have to admit that those activities built this country. The world is not maturing at the same rate. It kind of reminds me of my neighbors who don’t want any new construction in our area. Since their house is already built, they don’t want any more.
China is going to do what they want and there is not a darn thing we can do about it. Perhaps some more of blame should go to the Corporations going there and people buying those products.
Who is worse the hookers or the Johns?
sheepdawg
January 27th, 2012
1:31 pm
lets hope newt holds on and wins the nomination. he’s very funny to watch, and i really want to see him debate our president
Kamchak
January 27th, 2012
1:32 pm
People who’s job skills are worth $9/hr won’t work for $9/hr. That’s why there are 10MM mexicans here doing the work for them.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:34 pm
“You just the ideology that’s going to get your party crushed in November. America has had it with corporations caring more about profit than the citizens that buy it’s products.”
mm,
You’re right sir. Let’s just outlaw corporations and we can all go work for the govt. It worked real well in the former Soviet Union and it works real well in North Korea today after all.
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
January 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
Paul
January 27th, 2012
10:09 am
What, you’d be happier if we still had our servicemen and women still getting their legs blown off and killed in Iraq?
Since the withdrawl date was settled BEFORE Obama took office, how could they STILL be getting killed and blown up in Iraq?
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:35 pm
People who’s job skills are worth $9/hr won’t work for $9/hr. That’s why there are 10MM mexicans here doing the work for them.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
True dat. There are at least 12mm illegal aliens here.
Mick
January 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
doom
Seems to be working real well in china according to rb and other assorted cons…
RB from Gwinnett
January 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
Butch – “Get what, that you would prefer the Unioted States go back to the good old days of sweat shops, no safety regulations, company store, 7 day work weeks and 5 year olds shoveling coal into boilers?”
Nope, just with people would get up in the morning, go to work, achieve what they’re able and willing to work for, and be happy about it. None of those things you’ve mentioned are what’s keeping us from making stuff in this country any more.
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:38 pm
“Since their house is already built, they don’t want any more.’
The got mine mentality. A condition permeating many people but particularly afflicting the limousine liberal crowd.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
DawgDad: “Mitt does NOT have a “low tax rate” in any unfair sense. ”
Unfair is a relative term here. Unfair from whose perspective? For the capitalist who considers it “unfair” if he can’t use his capital to reap more and more capital with no capital restrictions? Or to the vast number of Americans who suffer when social programs are slashed because these capitalists refuse even the slightest setting of limits on their earnings?
“He pays to the same rate schedule, based on his income and capital gains, as anyone else would.”
But that’s just it. Not just ‘anyone’ will ever, or can ever reach the privileged position of not having to live on their wage labor.
You’re buying into a kool aid version of economic justice that is not in my interests. That’s why I fight it.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
My point being that there have alwayws been and there always will be ways to make profits on the backs of those that can’t protect themselves. Just becauce an abundance of cheap labor exists, doesn’t mean that we have to exploit it.
I liken the statement by the Apple exec to someone looking over a Southern Slave Plantation in the 1800,s and saying “Wow, this is amazing. We just couldn’t get this kind of productivity out of our white workers.”
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:40 pm
“Get what, that you would prefer the Unioted States go back to the good old days of sweat shops, no safety regulations, company store, 7 day work weeks and 5 year olds shoveling coal into boilers?”
Liberals do loves themselves those knee jerk, extreme examples they do.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:42 pm
Thulsa Doom – “Liberals do loves themselves those knee jerk, extreme examples they do”
I’ve established many times that I’m neither a “lib” or a “con”. I’m simply a realist. Something that seems to escape members of both parties.
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:44 pm
“Just becauce an abundance of cheap labor exists, doesn’t mean that we have to exploit it.”
I’m with ya. I’m all for putting those Chinese workers out of work to where they don’t even make a dime that day. Let them go to work for the govt like they do in neighboring North Korea. Then they can dine on grass and tree bark.
Or what we could do is pay them $17 an hour instead of $17 a day and pay $1600 for our I-phones. Show of hands please! How many liberals on here want to pay $1600 for their I-phone???
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 27th, 2012
1:45 pm
Butch – “I’ve established many times that I’m neither a “lib” or a “con”. I’m simply a realist. Something that seems to escape members of both parties.”
Ditto!
(ir)Rational
January 27th, 2012
1:45 pm
Welcome – Why exactly would we limit what someone is able to earn? I mean, by your own admission they’re earnings, so it isn’t given to them. Do you prescribe to the notion that all my work is for the government and I should be happy with what they allow me to keep?
Mick
January 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
**Liberals do loves themselves those knee jerk, extreme examples they do**
I could easily apply that to you and half the mush you churn out…
Thulsa Doom
January 27th, 2012
1:46 pm
Butch,
I’ve never seen you take a conservative position. Not once. I’ve seen that claim numerous times by people claiming to be neither con or lib. But oddly enough every position they seem to have on a variety of issues seems to be a liberal position.
Butch Cassidy
January 27th, 2012
1:47 pm
Thulsa Doom – “I’m all for putting those Chinese workers out of work to where they don’t even make a dime that day. ”
So you prefer that Americans are put out of work to where they don’t even make a dime that day instead?