Some cold water on overheated birther-mania

Newt is a moron.

Mitt up in FL.

Birthers, call it quits. Obama sucks for any number of reasons unrelated to his birthplace. Just vote nobama 2012.

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I’m having trouble understand how a reporter isn’t curious as to why the President’s Social Security number doesn’t pass E-Verify.

Not even a tickle of curiosity? NONE?

You’re not even a LITTLE curious to have that double checked by an authority YOU trust?

That’s REMARKABLE to me.

http://www.saltusa.com

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Annie, were you “Jane” yesterday?

and are you, in reality, an elderly white guy?

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“In the end, there is no chance whatsoever that Obama’s name will not be on the Georgia ballot come November.”

Funny thing about a courtroom[to quote Larry Merchant], it is “the theater of the unexpected”.

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Also, I asked this downstairs…has anybody been watching Rachel Maddow put it to Politifact?

WOW!!

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Annie Fields – you’re just having trouble. Period.

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“Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt…” Unknown

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They made that Orly bed. Let them sleep in it.

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Obama is working in more than one way to implement a hostile takeover of our Republic. Obamacare is funding “Obama’s Personal Civilian Army” called the “Ready Reserve Corps” It is authorized in section 5210 on page 1312 in “The Affordable Heathcare Act For America” or (HR3962). Remember, during his campaign, Obama called for his personal Million Man civilian army to be loyal only to him. Obama also stated that his personal civilian army should be more powerful than our US Military. The clip of Obama saying this is in the video. Obama is right now gutting our military and at the same time beefing up his personal thug army. Watch This Short Video And Be Informed Of What The Nazi In The White House Has Planned For You! This is a grave situation that endangers us all. Please Spread The Word to our fellow Patriots! TELL EVERYONE that you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htw7shWR3oU

Sign The Petition To Force The Repeal Of Obamacare And Pass The Site On To EVERYONE That You Know.

https://repealhealthcareact.org/invest.aspx

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Can’t imagine someday having the obituary claim to fame that I fought for years to prove Barack Obama was a foreigner. But I guess we all have to have a cause.

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Annie Fields

January 27th, 2012
7:50 am

Do you believe in pixies? Honestly. don’t you think if that were true it would have been screamed from every TV in America during the last Presidental election? Think whatever makes you happy but you’d be better off keeping it to yourself…they are watching you and they will come to take you away forever….

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Poor Eli.

He’s gotten into Scout and Del’s stash, and is now suffering horribly.

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Normal

She gave it to them with both barrels…and it was well deserved.

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“Rachel maddow is a great american!”

-Thomas Jefferson

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Americans should be ashamed of the crap going on. Why don’t they just cut the bs and just ask Obama to count the number of bubbles in a bar of soap.

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The more I see and hear romney, the less I like him.

Haven’t like the guy since he started running for President in 2007 (he was, obviously, a decent enough Gov, and he certainly held positions of national import then that were rational.) I’m honestly shocked at what a lousy campaign the guy’s run. I thought he’d be a much more credible candidate. Still plenty of time for him to get his sh-t together for the general, but based on what he looks like now, I don’t see him winning back a whole lot of states lost by McCain.

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Haven’t like the guy since he started running for President in 2007 (he was, obviously, a decent enough Gov, and he certainly held positions of national import then that were rational.)

Had he stayed a Democrat, I might have voted for him. But because he’s had to adjust pretty much ALL of his stated positions to become a Republican, I’ll pass.

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Eli, you poor thang. Remember, every humming sound you hear is not another one of Obama’s million drones coming to get you. Or is it…

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Be sure the dead friends bring an ID.

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(Kemp’s) Becoming a birther hero would not begin to compensate for the lasting infamy such a step would bring him. . .”
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Attempting to keep Barack Obama’s name off Georgia’s ballot for President of the U.S. would not only bring Kemp lasting infamy, it would bring Georgia lasting infamy.

I’m sure that infamy would be great for attracting future business to Georgia.

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IT’S IN THE BILL!!!!

LOL!!!!

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Tommy

Who defiled your corn flakes this morning?

How about a gracious good morning all?

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I can’t? That’s news.

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To me, the saddest part of this theater of the absurd (brought to you by the biggest dumbasses in the country!) is that the average rank and file Republican in this state is not embarrassed in the slightest.

If it was a Dem mob trying to pull the same moronic stunt, I suspect a whole bunch of people in that party would be mortified…

Oy, the stupid…

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Paul … Brocephus … Normal … and anyone else who needs a laugh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE

watch it once … then watch it again with the closed captioning …

who luvs ya!

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Birthers are idiotic. Willfully and defiantly ignorant.

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Good article Jay. Kemp is too savvy to go along with this nonsense despite it being a magnet for the crazy base. Obama made the right call all the way around.

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bill

We are all amereicans here, president obama included. Accept it, show some grace and dignity, may the best man win the presidency…

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You liberals still haven’t answered Annie’s question. Why doesn’t his SS number pass E-Verify?

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**You liberals still haven’t answered Annie’s question. Why doesn’t his SS number pass E-Verify?**

Oh, I don’t know, maybe because he is the friggin president of the US and it could be a security issue?

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K 71

what source says it doesn’t?

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The sheer magnitude of stupidity in the birther mob is almost unexplainable.

Is this intelligent design in action?

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Looks like “ignorance” isn’t contained to one side of the political aisle after all……

You really don’t want to do an apples:apples comparison of how Goopers and Dems have treated their respective fringe groups over the past ten years, Bruno.

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k 71

i certainly did not take a shot at the messenger.

Again, what source says it?

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Granny,

Google is your friend.

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Why doesn’t his SS number pass E-Verify?

Why are you assuming it doesn’t? You’ve run Obama’s SS number through E-Verify yourself? Produce evidence. And in case you don’t understand that term, forwarded e-mails or posts on crazy websites don’t count. If you can find an actual person or organization that claims to have done this, please either put up or shut up and quit demeaning the uniform you once wore.

You’re embarrassing yourself kayaker. Granted, this brings you your much-sought attention, but so does smoking crack in the middle of the highway.

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“K 71

what source says it doesn’t?”

http://wtpotus.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/barack-obama-doesnt-pass-e-verify-system/

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K71

Google is also your friend and you made the allegation.

What source are YOU using to make the allegation?

I’m asking quite politely, please respond.

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OK, Google up Obama SS number, E-Vify and there will be ample evidence that it has been tried by private citizens and documented and the numbers just don’t match. Ever thought about trying it yourself just to disprove this so called “nonsense”?

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That these Nancy Drews and other would-be super sleuths are STILL into getting punked on this matter speaks volumes about these loony, self-flagellating ascetics.

OK, off to help keep the plutocrats comfy.

Later, peeps…

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And who is Linda Jordan?

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Bruno @ 8.36, because if you look at the level of elected officials who coddled the respective crazies in their midst, it ain’t good.

I will grant that mainstream establishment Republicans almost certainly, to a man/woman, would just as soon the Birthers all went off and found something else to occupy their time. But there’ve been plenty of elected GOP officials who have been happy to exploit this element, and to stoke this paranoia about Obama’s birth origins. There just isn’t anything remotely similar among elected Democrats and the hardcore Truthers.

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This entire subject would have disappeared long ago if
the media would have left it alone for the BS that it is.

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Conservatives are really going to wig out bad once Obama has 4 new years unfettered by the prospect of an election.

Gonna get surly.

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Kemp is also bound by legal precedence. Under Terry v, Handel, he CAN NOT take a name off the presidential primary ballot.

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The thing I can’t figure out is, why has he spent millions of dollars in defense of this, when he could simply do one thing? Release an actual, REAL copy of his birth certificate?

and, like, why can they bust me for something that grows in the GROUND, man?

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I didn’t think Republican voters would actually be dumb enough to elect those crazed Tea Party zelots, but they did. Therefore, if Brian Kemp actually drops Obama from the ballot, I won’t be supprised. It appears that Georgia officials, over the years, have considered it their sworn duty to make our State look as stupid as possible. They have done a superb job.

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I am almost threw up my dinner last night when Newt explained what a great first lady Callist would be.

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K-71, are you aware that Linda Jordan broke federal laws trying to e-verify the president’s SSN? She even admitted to that under oath.

I hope the feds nail her for that.

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Honestly, I only see Obama winning GA if a third party candidate were to split the field.

(but Ron Paul hasn’t ruled that out so who knows.)

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Is Eli Jones Bill Orvis White’s alter ego?

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Hmmmmm, I guess you forgot all about Cynthia McKinney, then.

No, I didn’t. Remember what happened to her after she aligned herself with the Truthers?

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Obama on the ballot is a feel-good exercise for Georgia Liberals. Thus somewhere there is a thread on doing away with the Electoral College.

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The bottom line is that Obama pretty much did all he could to encourage the “birther” movement. And while it may have bolstered his base a little by feeding into the “Libs are smarter than Cons” mantra, mature people view his lack of forthrightness in a slightly different way.

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Prediction: Squirrely Taitz will be back with this crap
as long as Obama is President.

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bruno

You are slippin my man, witness the greatest deposition of all time by bill clinton, you do not do the work of the other attorney with your answers. Obama was certified by the state of hawaii, they are one of our states, yes? Give it a rest, I suggest more important matters are at hand…

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The bottom line is that Obama pretty much did all he could to encourage the “birther” movement.

Ye olde “He made us behave freakishly with his Uppity Muslim Hypno-Rays” dodge.

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Two columns in Two days participated in by all our blog
attorneys on the Obama birth certificate. Maybe there is
something here.

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Hey Kayaker, could I have your SS# to see if it clears e-verify? Oh, and sorry if someone else steals your identity…really sorry!

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Anti-Birther mania…

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Had these ignoramuses been involved in the making of Star Wars, the line would have been, “Use the farce, Luke!”

Had all of you commie libs been in Star Wars, Oblamer would be using the line..”I am the dictator you’re looking for, vote along”..

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And ya know, it’s not like mainstream GOPers haven’t danced around this in the not-very-recent past…

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2011/02/be_nice_to_bigots.html

On Jan. 6, John Boehner’s first day of business as speaker of the House, a heckler in the chamber challenged Obama’s citizenship. NBC’s Brian Williams asked Boehner: “You’ve got 12 members co-sponsoring legislation that does about the same thing: It expresses doubt [about Obama's citizenship]. Would you be willing to say: ‘This is a distraction. I’ve looked at it to my satisfaction. Let’s move on’?” Boehner replied: “The state of Hawaii has said that President Obama was born there. That’s good enough for me.” For me, lest anyone feel that the speaker was imposing his personal beliefs.

Not up to me. Obama’s citizenship, like one’s religion or favorite color, is a matter of personal belief. Think what you want to.

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Howard Dean is the man!

Kindly explain Dr. Dean’s crazy, out there, Trutherific views for us.

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Doesn’t matter if he is on the ballot or not. He will not win Georgia and I will bet Mitt’s $10,000 on that!

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Is romney a mexican due to his father being born in Mexico?
does he have dual citizenship? will carlos slim finance his
campaign?

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Thus somewhere there is a thread on doing away with the Electoral College.

so long as guys are able to post with a screen handle like “JohnnyReb” and not be hauled away and tried for treason, I suspect that there’ll be an Electoral College.

and with that Deep Thought, I gots to run. Later, kids. Don’t let your Oily Taint leak out in an embarrassing fashion.

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kayaker 71 – “You liberals still haven’t answered Annie’s question. Why doesn’t his SS number pass E-Verify?”

Here kayaker, these folks might ba able to assist you and annie in unraveling the mystery. Give them a call and let us know what they say.

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one other thing–

check out what happens if you enter the word “Birther” in the news.google.com search field at the moment.

Yay!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazBzvQ0ZAM&feature=related

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Jay, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence or the
media would not be participating…

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You liberals still haven’t answered Annie’s question. Why doesn’t his SS number pass E-Verify?

First of all, how would somebody know his ACTUAL SS number to run it in E-Verify in the first place? I wouldn’t trust anybody who makes such a claim because I would question whether they have his true SS number in the first place. Then there’s the known fact that E-Verify is not 100% falliable and/or accurate. In other words, it sounds like a load of bullsh*t to make a claim like that.

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Looks like “ignorance” isn’t contained to one side of the political aisle after all……

“Jackassery has no political affiliation.”

–Thomas Jefferson

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Mick. romney does not apologize for his business practices, he said so,
Buffett though is trying to come off as some modern day tax Robin Hood.

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barking frog@9:13

Yeah when Mitt Romney (excuse me Willard) streamlines a company he is a horrible human being but when Buffett does the same thing it is OK because he is on the other side.

Kind of like the outsourcing is bad argument except when Steve Jobs did it because we think he is cool.

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Steve 9:21 I don’t like it when romney does it and I don’t
like it when buffett does it…but buffetts sanctimonius drivel
is wearing thin..

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Kind of like the outsourcing is bad argument except when Steve Jobs did it because we think he is cool.

Wrong. I’m of the opinion that ANYBODY who outsources is a sorry assed excuse for an American. If we thought of country first before ourselves, then we would ensure we had jobs here and outsourced the extra stuff. Instead, we’ve outsourced sh*t to the point where we don’t have enough jobs here to move the economy. Buncha jackasses…

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brosephus @ 9:27

Words!

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Mick, 49000.00 is less to him than it is to romney and
the guy he is ante-ing against has been doing it already..
an empty gesture..he may even get a tax deduction..
maybe we could see his tax returns…

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Mick – “Bill gates and warren buffet real americans, not greedy americans, concerned about their country. They know that a few points more in income tax, their bottom lines will not suffer…”

Yes, Mick, they know that because they know very little of their income is from wages. With most of it being from capital gains, an increase in the INCOME tax rate will have little to no effect on them. They get that, the rest of us get that, hopefully soon some of you liberals will figure that out and stop reapeating the bumper sticker slogans you’re getting from Obama’s teleprompter.

And when you increase the INCOME tax rate to 39%, it’s not going to change their effective tax rate any and their secretaries will still pay a higher percentage than them (not a more in taxes as Obama lied to the people about in his speach).

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frog

I don’t have a big problem with the consolidation stuff. That’s a part of business. It’s happened before, and it will happen again, regardless of who’s doing it. People who tout Romney’s experience in that area as a plus for his presidential ambitions fail on one MAJOR point. Running the US is not remotely the same as running a business. Government has no profit motive or any drive to make a profit. A government is there to protect it’s citizens and provide the services necessary for survival.

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rb

Hey – good morning, OK, that’s a good point. We just need to return to the clinton tax rates where everyone pays a bit more. I hate taxes as much as anyone but I also am a realist. Afterall, by 2000 we were on our way to getting a handle on the deficit – then poof! Tax cuts, unfunded wars and everything else piled on. We need a correction…

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Secretary Kemp told Obama and his attorney if they boycotted this hearing they will do so “at their own peril’, doesn’t sound like a man who is going to now suddenly say “Oh, I was just bluffing when I said that.”

I can tell you Judge Malihi is going to enter a default judgement against candidate Barack Obama and recommend that his name NOT be placed on the Georgia presidential preference primary come March 6, 20012. I can also tell you, even as we speak, the GDP is making plans to change their party bylaws in order to adjust to the inevitable decision Secretary Kemp will make in upholding the decision made by his Administrative Law Court.

ex animo
David Farrar
Plaintiff in this case

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I may be an outsider to Georgia Politics being that I was born “Yankee” but from were I sit all Kemp has to do is issue the right statement, saying while I may personally disagree with the courts ruling I cannot in good conscience as an official of the state go against the court. That would solve his problem.And this keeps being labeled as a “Birther” issue but the seem to questioning eligibility not Obama’s birthplace.

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frog

A business can not grow indefinitely. That’s no different than a business can not profit indefinitely. When the economy contracts, the same is likely to happen to businesses. I see that as a fact of life. There may be some ethical issues with the extent that the corporate raiders go to maximize their profits. I feel that things like that could be taken care of by avoiding doing business with them. There’s nothing that says that you HAVE TO do business with them. Imagine the differences business would show if they allowed the workers to invest in part ownership as opposed to going for outside investors first. People tend to take much better care of things they have a personal ownership in as opposed to no ownership.

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Mick – “We just need to return to the clinton tax rates where everyone pays a bit more.”

I’ve said before, I’ll support a tax increase ONLY if it includes everybody. Welfare, seniors, everybody. No exceptions. Maybe if everybody was being affected by our governments rampant spending everybody might start paying attention to it. As long as the D party’s sole solution to our financial problems is class warfare and “make the rich pay it all”, there will be no “we” in “we’re in this together”.

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I saw President Obama’s real SS#. I took the SS# and went to Gwinnett Place Nissan and bought a 10-speed bike, with brigh colors and a flag. Then I went to Aaron’s Furniture Center and bought this computer I’m on. I also bought 12-pc family dinner pack from popeye’s off of cobb parkway. I open up a $500,001 account with Tiffany’s(you can’t touch me Newt), some hair color for Mitt, 1-a-day vitamins for Ron Paul. I didn’t get anyting for Rick, since he’s going home.

Now if you believe that, you are an official birther. As a member, your first mission is to prove President Obama did not watch cartoons as a kid. That is so Un-American…………go out there and make us proud

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frog

I think I understand what you’re saying, so maybe I’m looking at things from a different perspective or angle. As businesses grow, their market saturation will reach the point where they can no longer grow unless they innovate and do something different. That, I can see as businesses growing indefinitely. However, if a business is bought out by another, I’m certain that they would streamline things and cut out duplicate positions that are no longer necessary. When you talk of groups like Bain buying companies, that’s a different ballgame as opposed to, say, Home Depot buying a small home improvement chain. Maybe we’re seeing the same thing but just looking at different angles or examples.

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Mick, Warren buffett the great american concerned about
his secretary’s high tax rate has through his ownership of
shaw industries put many georgians on the unemployment
rolls by closing factories rather than converting to different
flooring materials. Tennesseans too.

And those that don’t go to Tennessee are illegal immigrants!

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Matti

Bring it on? It has already begun. Here was a opportunity in a court of law, the first one ever convened specifically to address all of these “silly” birther accusations, a chance to “prove” on the record once and for all candidate Obamadoes does met his qualification to take the oath of office of the presidency of the United States, and what does candidate Obama do with this opportunity, he rans away to Las Vegas with his tail between his legs, taking his attorney too.

Now in all honesty, does that sound like the actions of a man with nothing to hide?

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Here is a conspiracy theory….. Democrats fear they could lose to Rommney…..Obama is found ineligible…forced to step down… freeing the Democrats to run Hillary in 2012 who they feel would win in a landslide………hey it’s just as possible as any of the other theories out there.

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Sure do have a lot of preachers and posters who seem to confusing a administrative hearing with a court case and to misconstrue the standards required for a recommendation.

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http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/farrar/application.amicus.curiae.htm

Sincerely yours,
/s/ Paul Andrew Mitchell, B.A., M.S.
Private Attorney General, 18 U.S.C. 1964(a)
http://www.supremelaw.org/decs/agency/private.attorney.general.htm

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philosopher – Thanks!!!!

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One would think attending this small, out of the way, administrative hearing would have been the perfect setting for candidate Obama to bring all of his Snopes “evidence to this hearing and just blow all of these silly birthers out of the courtroom. But that’s not what happened. Obama ran away from this opportunity to set the record straight, and now the news media is going to be trying to convince you running away from a duly authorized Georgia summons to appear in court, was the proper and legal thing to do, and that somehow it’s okay for a president to do, but just don’t try and do this sort of thing at home when you receive a summons to appear in a Georgia court.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Ummm Matti……the JD has attorneys right down the street in Atl…….probably in the same building……

I think the point is if one doesn’t like the law, change it……..ignoring it is a bad precedent.

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“Kemp would then look like a fool and put an end to any further political ambitions he might have. I doubt that’s the course he will choose to take.” – Jay Bookman

So what Mr. Bookman is trying to say, The Secretary of State should quickly quash for entirely political reasons any legal arguments that candidate Obama is not qualified to appear on the Georgia ballot, even if they have merit and crimes may have been committed. There is a name for that: corruption. Mr. Bookman is therefore suggesting that Secretary of State Brian Kemp jump into the circus ring with the growing list of corrupt Federal Judges, Hawaii State Health officials, Congress (including DNC Chairman Nancy Pelosi), and the others who have allowed this man to take office and receive a top secret security clearance without vetting at great peril to our Constitutional Republic.

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Note to self: Buy RAI and AA

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So Frog, Red Woman from Mars et al, if the Judge enters a default judgment, does it get appealed up into the Superior Court like comp or probate cases? Then, would the appeal be de novo or based solely upon the propriety of the entry of default? I can’t find it in Title 21.

If the appeal is not de novo, then Obama’s lawyers are gonna get sued by their client.

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Tommy, my understanding is that this is the legal process
the Sec of State must follow when any party nominee’s
qualifications are contested and the ALJ will make a
recommendation to the SOS as to what action should
be taken. Up to the SOS after that.

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“do so at your own peril” sure sounds like a threat on the President….has anybody seen the Secret Service going into Kemp’s office????

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In the end there is no chance Obama will carry this state in the general election so the court’s or secretary of state’s decision has no bearing on the Novemeber election. My only question is why is it so difficult for anyone to produce a birth certificate? I can do it. Can you? This whole question would have been avoided from the beginning if Obama had not been secretive about his birth. It’s not the “birthers” that caused the problem. All they ever did was ask for proof of citizenship. A legitimate question unless you have something to hide.

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Tommy Maddox,

I don’t know the answer to your questions, but nobody is going to appeal this administrative court decision anywhere, Obama’s nonappearance saw to that. Appellate judges take a very deem view of of defendants dissing their lower courts for any reason.

I suspect when Secretary Kemp upholds Judge Malihi’s decision, he will probably be sued by candidate Barack Obama in a normal trial setting, with the outcome being appealed all the way up to, hopefully, the SCOTUS.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Maybe some of you new folks can help with my question about the documents provided……snopes has good info on several of the questions, but in de-bunking the issues many sites have produced birth certificates of 2 twins born after Obama in the supposed same facility…….

The issues now in question……Obama’s official number is higher than both of them although he was born the day before and on both of their docs the state is listed as Honolulu, Oahu, while Obama’s is listed as Honolulu, Hawaii……I find that a bit odd coming from the same institution……..

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[...] this this blog, Judge Malihi said yesterday he would enter a DEFAULT JUDGEMENT against Obama! Enter Jay Bookman to ruin the fun, he’s such a killjoy. I know you will be shocked to hear this, but Orly Taitz and others [...]

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Tommy, you may want to try Rule 616-1-2-.39 and OCGA 50-13-19

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Dena,

I think you, and the general public, should be aware that presenting one’s certified birth certificate in a court of law, while sufficient to get a driver’s license and a SSN card, is insufficient to prove ones identity. In a court of law, a certified birth certificate only “Proves” that a birth occurred and was recorded. It is generally not taken by the courts as absolute proof of identity, especially when both of candidate Barack Obama’s, two certified birth certificates were certified incorrectly and are, therefore, defective, calling for the production by candidate Barack Obama of other proof that he has met his constitutional qualifications beside his two birth certificates.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Mighty Righty, Obama has most Assuredly NOT been “secretive” about his birth in the least. He is in fact the first and only presidential candidate in US history to be so public about his birth as to release TWICE an official state certified birth certificate. How can you say something that is so roundly false like that?

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Keep, thanks for that. Not being a lawyer my exposure to
‘ the legals’ has been limited and hopefully will continue that way.

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It’s interesting that President Obama’s attorney Mr. Jablonski recognizes authority enough to go behind the court’s back to ask Secretary of State Kemp to halt the administrative proceedings. They know they’re in deep water – Secty Kemp already indicated in a response to Jablonski’s request that if they don’t show up they do so ‘at their own peril’, that is, Secty Kemp is not highly favoring Obama. Ultimate authority to include or not including a candidate on the Georgia ballot is with the Georgia Secretary of State, not the federal government. Judge Mahili also indicated that although it may be true that President Obama may not HAVE to show up to court, his attorney failed to ‘enlighten the court’ with the proper authority to do so. Looks like there’s a real case on their hands. And knowing how other states followed Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, chances are the same will happen here. Documented here: http://goo.gl/TPJdd

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Seems to me Mr. Farrar focuses on the “slight” to the ALJ while ignoring the “slight” to the President of this country. I am sure that the ALJ can get over his devastation that perhaps he is not the center of the world for the man running this country and that there are strategic and political reasons why the President chose not to participate in this matter.

Barking, many many times I wish that my exposure to the legals was limited.

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Mattii,

The only affront taken place here is candidate Barack Obama failing to show up in a duly authorized and emplowered Georgia court to specifically seperate fact from fiction as it relates to candidate Barack Obam’s birth record, and candidate ran away with his trail between his legs to Las Vegs.

ex animo
davidfarrar.

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Birthers

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David Farrar,

Once again, good luck with that, buddy. I MEAN IT. You’re not fooling me for a second, and if you’re “successful,” you’re gonna get a great big spotlight on YOUR pale round behind, along with all the **insert adjectives and pejorative noun** who tie their boats to this **insert adjectives** stunt. I welcome the spotlight where it belongs — not on the place of our President’s birth; that’s already been proven — but on people like you who support the ruination of the State of Georgia.

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preciousliberty ,

Right you are. Candidate Obama thought enough of this lowly administrative court to particiate long enough to ask this court for a dismissal. But when he didn’t get one, he ran away.How many of us, we, the People, can do that?

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Orly Taitz subpoenaed multiple people who didn’t show up.

She subpoenaed the news director for the CBS affiliate in Atlanta – no show.

She subpoenaed a Department of Health and Human Services official in Georgia – no show.

She subpoenaed Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona – no show.

She subpoenaed Hawaii Director of Health Loretta Fuddy (as well as the original copy of Obama’s birth certificate and a microfilm roll) – no show.

What is the truth is that Judge Mahili has zero power to compel anyone to show up or bring documents to an administrative hearing. The truth is that there are clear precedents that a sitting President can’t be compelled to respond to a subpoena (and I’m sure Judge Malihi knows this). What Mahlili wrote in his denial of the motion to quash was that Obama’s attorney was being unduly snarky and failed to be specific in his citations of laws and precedent. I think they may have a history when they don’t particularly like each other. Obama’s attorney could have easily resubmitted a motion to quash but decided not to. After seeing the hearing, I’m starting to think he did the right thing by not showing up.

The administrative law judge isn’t there to decide for one side or the other, but to make a recommendation based on the facts before him. A lot of the stuff before him was irrelevant or so beyond the scope of what an administrative law judge is supposed to take in that I’m sure he’s going to ignore most of it. After seeing the hearing, I’d be surprised if he doesn’t uphold Obama’s eligibility.

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“I get knocked down
But I get up again
You’re never going to keep me down”
–Thomas Jefferson

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Why dont we run all of Jay’s blog poster’s through a time study and IP address look up and see if they are all unemployed, or screwing the companies that they work for by blogging incessantly daily on Bookman’s drivel instead of producing.

Because we are not China and we do not spy on our citizens, block their access to information and freedom of expression, and we don’t force everyone to work 100% of the time at all hours of the day and night just to meet some stupid free market drivelers goal of making everyone “produce” all the time. That’s why.

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Frog, I have been a notary for many years. The qualifications include at least 18 years, reading and writing english, an operating telephone number, no prior adverse matters relating to a notary commission and effectively no criminal convictions (I have not looked up whether there are exception beyond minor traffic violations) and 2 “endorsements”. I suspect that many many McDonalds customers can meet the standard should they choose to do pay the fee.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

I can assure you, when the time comes, as I have just demonstrated with this challenge; I will bring this evidence forward. All I want to say is that both certifications were done incorrectly and as a result must and will be set aside to concider other evidence.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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When will the retards on the right stop, this story is so stupid no media outlets are reporting it.
When will you country hicks stop it, remember some of us georgians have to travel outside of Georgia and different parts of the land are laughing at us, instead of spending time on Obama birth certificate why dont you hicks ask Newt what has he done for Georgia? why are there so many poor whites living in these trailers down 75 s highway and why would you support him?

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STATES WITH THE NEW
NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE LAW
SHOULD BE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT OBAMA ELIGIBILITY CASE
JANUARY 26, 2012.

Vermont, is a state which is violating
the U.S. Constitutional rights of its voters by “giving away”
our Electoral College votes to whomever gets the highest
number of votes nationwide,
rather than the highest number
of votes in Vermont.

The new Vermont law is called
National Popular Vote.No. 10. An act relating to the Agreement Among the States to Elect the
President by National Popular Vote.
(S.31)
It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont:
Sec. 1. 17 V.S.A. chapter 58 is added to read:
CHAPTER 58. AGREEMENT AMONG THE STATES TO ELECT THE
PRESIDENT BY NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE
§ 2751. ARTICLE I–MEMBERSHIP
Any state of the United States and the District of Columbia may become a
member of this agreement by enacting this agreement.
§ 2752. ARTICLE II–RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE IN MEMBER STATES TO
VOTE FOR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT
Each member state shall conduct a statewide popular election for President
and Vice President of the United States.
etc.

Doesn’t that give every Vermont voter
legal standing to be concerned about WHO gets on the ballot
for President in every other state for the primary and general
elections?

President Barack Hussein Obama presented his first birth certificate
to the American public on factcheck.org,
and on it, in the lower right hand corner,
in tiny print, are H.R.S. codes,
which are Hawaii Revised Statutes
that prove the certificate was altered and/or amended.

What was it altered and/or amended from?

Why are the ultra super rich 1% treated differently under the law, as compared
to how disrespectfully, and sometimes even hatefully, the lower 99% are treated?

PROPOSED CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST PRESIDENT
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA FOR FRAUDULENT
CONCEALMENT OF FACTS
PROPOSED:
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CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT
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AGAINST
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PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
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FOR
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FRAUDULENT CONCEALMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS THAT HE ALLEGEDLY HAS A DUTY TO PROVIDE
VOTERS BECAUSE HIS “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH” SHOWS THIS LEGAL NOTICE IN TINY
PRINT IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER:
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“[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19].
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l DUTY is required by the legal notice on his
“Certification of Live Birth” which, in the lower right hand corner, in tiny
fine print, states: [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19].
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Was it fraud in a fiduciary capacity against taxpayers and voters for each and
every member of the United States Congress on January 8, 2009 to vote without
first issuing a subpoena for Barack Hussein Obama’s original long form birth
certificate? Isn’t it true that Federal Rules of Evidence prohibit the members
of the United States Congress, both House and Senate, from relying on
non-admissible hearsay?
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Was the Congressional certification of Electoral College Votes on January 8,
2009 an act of conspiracy to defraud voters and taxpayers
because former Vice President Dick Cheney asked for members of Congress to vote
without informed consent, and this resulted in an alleged possible conspiracy to
issue forth certified votes as fraudulent conveyances?
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28 USCS Section 1491 Claims against the United States.
http://ucfc.uscourts.gov/
Federal Claims Court
http://uscode.house.gov/
Online law library
28 USCS
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Chapter 91. United States Court of Federal Claims
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Section 1491. Claims against United States generally
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(a)(1) The United States Court of Federal Claims shall have jurisdiction to
render judgment upon any claim against the United States founded either upon the
Constitution [USCS, Constitution], or any Act of Congress or any regulation of
an executive department, or upon any express or implied contract with the United
States.
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(2) To provide an entire remedy and to complete the relief afforded by the
judgment, the court may, as an incident of and collateral to any such judgment,
issue orders directing restoration to office or position, placement in
appropriate duty or retirement status, and correction of applicable records, and
such orders may be issued to any appropriate official of the United States. In
any case within its jurisdiction, the Court shall have the power to remand
appropriate matters to any administrative or executive body or official with
such direction as it may deem proper and just.
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“Court of Federal Claims is Article I Court of limited jurisdiction created by
Congress as forum where private parties could sue government for non-tort money
claims, where claims would otherwise be barred by sovereign immunity.” Slovacek
v United States (1998) 40 Fed Cl 828, 98-1 USTC 50397, 81 AFTR 2d 98-1859.
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“Congress created Court of Federal Claims to afford individuals forum to bring
specific claims against government; while placing jurisdictional limits upon
Court, Congress did not intend those jurisdictional limits to be manipulated to
prevent claimant from recovering compensation against government.” Davis v
United States (1996) 35 Fed Cl 392.
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“Jurisdiction under 28 USCS Section 1491 applies only to contracts either
express or implied in fact, not implied in law, where (1) agreement implied in
fact is founded upon meeting of minds, which, although not embodied in express
contract, is inferred from conduct of parties showing their tacit understanding,
while (2) by contrast, agreement implied in law is fiction of law where promise
is imputed to perform legal duty.” Hercules Inc. v United States (1996, US) 134
L Ed 2d 47, 116 S Ct 981, 96 CDOS 1403, 96 Daily Journal DAR 2395, 40 CCF 76894,
9 FLW Fed S 442.
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“HRS 338-19″, on President Obama’s Certification of Live Birth, in tiny fine
print in the lower right hand corner [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19] is a legal notice
of Hawaii Revised Statute 338-19 which means that this Certificate of Live Birth
is based on documents that were too old or otherwise in such condition that they
could not be used to certify. This statute is contradictory because if the
documents were too old or in too poor a condition to be used to certify, then
why did the State of Hawaii issue a “copy” that was based on possibly
non-legible material? It makes no common sense. The Statute is contradictory,
overly vague, overly broad and therefore unconstitutional.
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HRS 338-13(b) is subject to the requirements of HRS 338-16, HRS 338-17 and HRS
338-18. These are for birth certificates that are issued one year or more after
birth, and for certificates that have been altered, and/or both. This set of
statutes also gives a party legal standing to request a judicial determination
of the validity of the birth certificate because it was issued one year or more
after birth and/or altered.
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“Court of Federal Claims lacks jurisdiction to hear claims against States or
their Agencies except where States or their Agencies acted as agents of United
States.” Hassan v United States (1998) 41 Fed CL 149.
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Clearly, the State of Hawaii and the Agency of the Department of Health of
Hawaii, have acted as agents of former Vice President Dick Cheney, Speaker of
the House of Representatives in the United States Congress, Nancy Pelosi, and
each and every member of the United States Congress, House and Senate, and
President Barack Hussein Obama.

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28 USCS Section 2680. “Plaintiff’s federal tort claim against government is not
dismissed prior to discovery on grounds that discretionary function exception of
28 USCS Section 2680(a) applied, because factual issues and evidence to support
those issues are not presently known to plaintiff, and dismissal of action prior
to discovery would be premature and unduly harsh.” Fanoele v United States
(1995, DC Kan) 898 F Supp 822.
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(1) The United States Congress failed to do their duty to obtain any long form
birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama before certifying the Electoral
College Votes.
(2) Former Vice President Dick Cheney failed to do his duty to ask for
objections to the Electoral College vote.
(3) President Barack Hussein Obama has failed to do his duty to release the
information upon which statutes HRS 338-13(b) {which is subject to the
requirements of 338-16, 338-17, 338-18} and 338-19 were legally required to be
noticed on his “Certification of Live Birth”.
(4) The United States Court of Federal Claims now has legal jurisdiction to hear
complaints seeking President Barack Hussein Obama’s status as a natural born
citizen because all of the Judges and Justices in State and Federal Courts,
including the Supreme Court of the United States, dismissed and/or denied
complaints where previous plaintiffs have tried various motions to compel Barack
Hussein Obama’s original long form birth certificate and all other underlying
documents supporting the legal notice on his short form Certification of Live
Birth, including three legal notices on that form: (1) Date of Birth August 4,
1961, Date filed with Registrar August 8, 1961; (2) [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]; (3)
(Rev. 11/01) LASER
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The third legal notice on President Barack Hussein Obama’s Certification of Live
Birth states (Rev. 11/01) LASER.
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Barack Hussein Obama received this “Certification of Live Birth” after he was
already 40 years old.
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What took him so long?
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Why did he receive this “Certification of Live Birth” which was issued when he
was 40 years old, or older, after September 11, 2001, the Terrorist Attack on
the United States of America? Where was he living during the Terrorist Attack on
the United States of America and why did he need to get a “Certification of Live
Birth” after the attack, and how much was it altered from the original long form
birth certificate?
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WE, the PEOPLE, NEED TO KNOW!
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President Barack Hussein Obama holds the Office of the President of the United
States of America, and his “Certification of Live Birth” should now be required
to be determined if it can, or can not, withstand federal scrutiny. 28 USCS Appx
Rule 803, n 119. United States Code Service, Lawyers Edition, Issued in May
1998, Rules of Evidence for United States Courts and Magistrates, page 216,
“District Court did not abuse its discretion in applying Federal Rules of
Evidence rather than Hawaii Health Department rules and in finding results of
intoxilizer test admissible under public records and reports exception to
hearsay rule of Rule 803(6)(8), United States v De Water (1988, CA9 Hawaii) 846
F2d 528, 25 Fed Rules Evid Serv 748.”
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THIS PROPOSED
Class Action Lawsuit to subpoena the material facts, the original material
upon which the legal notice on the long form
birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama was based,
in the United States Court of Federal
Claims,
needs
a Pro Bono attorney.

President Obama should be treated with Equal
Respect, the same as any other possible
illegal alien.

In other words, shall we give
every alleged illegal
alien Equal Treatment Under the Law, the
same as if they were sitting in the White House?

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OBAMA SOAP OPERA 2012

Quest to find the concealed details about President Barack Hussein

Obama’s birth,

as proven by the first birth certificate he released through factcheck.org

which shows,

in tiny print,

clearly in the right hand lower corner,

H.R.S. codes,

which are Hawaii Revised Statutes that prove the

original birth certificate was legally

(under Hawaii Laws)

amended and/or altered?

The “Birthers” are still trying to find

out what facts were amended and/or altered.

They won’t give up

because they love a mystery and they love human drama.

The first with the real facts will be panting on movie

producers’ doorsteps!

Obama Soap Opera and/or Movie Script

Episode One:

Mr. Stanley Dunham went to a Black (then known as “Negro”)

bar in an area with prostitution.

If Mr. Stanley Dunham got a Black (”Negro”) woman pregnant,

then it is possible

that he then asked his teenage daughter, Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham,

to pretend to be

the baby’s mother,

(rather than what she really was, his half sister)

to save his marriage.

The prostitute turned her baby over to

Mr. Stanley Dunham, who handed it over to his daughter.

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham’s friend, Barack Obama Sr. from Kenya,

needed to extend his student visa

and would willingly marry her,

knowing that he was already married in Kenya

and she could

annul the marriage when it was convenient to her.

In 1961, Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, and/or her parents,

might have felt that an “African”

identity for baby Obama,

would be better than “Negro”,

which was the term at the time.

After Obama’s birth, Barack Obama Sr.

went to Harvard and dated other women, before

returning to his first wife and family in Kenya.

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, during the course of her career, left young

Obama with her parents in Hawaii for years at a time,

an act that is more like a half sister than a mother.

Episode Two:

Frank Marshall Davis, a Black Communist, and poet, left

Chicago for Hawaii but he might have stopped over in

Seattle, Washington for a few weeks, and

he might be Obama’s real father.

The Dunham family,

Stanley and his wife Madelyn, and daughter, Stanley Ann, moved from

Seattle, Washington to Hawaii late in the summer of 1960

after she finished high school.

They might have been trying to

get her as far away as possible from her “Negro” boyfriend,

and if they knew she was already pregnant, then they might

have felt that a “mixed race” baby would be more acceptable

among Hawaiins with darker skin.

If Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham became pregnant in Seattle,

then Obama could have been born earlier than Aug. 4, 1961,

accounting for Ms. Stanley Ann’s ability to return to college

in Seattle in August, 1961.

The first birth certificate that

Obama released to the public has H.R.S. codes in the

right hand corner in tiny print that show it was altered and

or amended. The birthdate may have been altered and/or

amended so that it would not appear that she was already

pregnant before her fake marriage to Barack Obama, Sr.

Episode Three:

Either Mr. Stanley Dunham or Frank Marshall Davis are

the most likely men to be the real father of

President Barack Hussein Obama, but he was shuffled around

in childhood from Hawaii to Indonesia and back to Hawaii,

and he is now rootless and ruthless. The only place Obama

has ever really felt truly at home is in the White House.

President Obama is running for his second and final term in

office, and he knows that people will forgive him for waving his

false flags of amended and/or altered birth certificates showing

his father was from Kenya, which is not likely to be the truth,

if only he can bring tears to their eyes.

After all, many chidren in the United States of America are born

with family secrets disguising the truth of their real parentage.

President Obama gets together with his team 2012 advisors

and dreams up ways to take surveys to determine which

“father” figure is most likely to get him elected this time.

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I would note that Obama’s certified birth certificate was a “one off” item. They don’t currently do it that was, and the Hawaii Director of Health approved the procudure for how it was produced. Back when they previously printed a “long form” that was routine, the issue date and certification stamp were on the back, as they currently do for the so-called “short form”. The embossed seal used on Obama’s “long form” also appears to be the “higher resolution” version from a hand-lever embosser rather than the stylized version that they typically use today. Having experience with a few documents wouldn’t mean diddly squat when there are perfectly legitimate variations. Heck – several states issue so-called “heirloom birth certificates” which are legal documents, but look all cutesy with some sort of background image and perhaps fancy type. Heck – Washington’s version is hand-signed by the Governor and State Registrar. I’m wondering who the heck would be able to authenticate that if she’s got inconsistent handwriting.

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md — “and on both of their docs the state is listed as Honolulu, Oahu, while Obama’s is listed as Honolulu, Hawaii……I find that a bit odd coming from the same institution……..”

Oahu has no govermental or political significance in Hawaii. Honolulu is Honolulu, no matter where you choose to indicate its location. Saying (for example) Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii only specifies that you’re talking about the Honolulu on the island of Oahu. There is no Oahu County — there’s Honolulu County instead.

It’s worth observing that some place names are repeated on different islands out there; for example, there’s a Kailua on both Oahu and on the Big Island of Hawaii. However, AFAIK, there is no Honolulu on the Big Island.

In short, saying Honolulu, Oahu is the same as saying Honolulu, Hawaii.

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President Obama has bought shame to the People house with no respect to the American people.

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So, while it may be shocking, it isnt’ impossible we have all been duped in this country. How can you refute what BO himself admits, his father was not born here, nor did he become a US citizen before he fathered BO. And, if your Prince of Darkness has nothing to hide, why did he alter the Certificate of Live Birth? WHY? He should have to answer that, if nothing else. Despite what you or any other liberal thinks, he is not above the law (norl does he walk on water). He was never vetted. He has not released his background paperwork..ie..college, passports, SS apps, etc. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire, and smoke is bellowing from BO’s background.Malihi is doing what no other judge before him has done in this case, his job. I hope and pray he doesn’t meet with an fatal accident before he makes his determination. The left can not stand to see BO questioned. lol I hope this thing blows up in his face.

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So, while it may be shocking, it isnt’ impossible we have all been duped in this country.

Also, it isn’t impossible that unicorns crap skittles.

But I personally wouldn’t go around shouting that to the world.

Just sayin’.

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Your points are valid and I am not a “birther” as you call these folks, but I have these questions for you:
1) Aren’t you curious at all about the SSN being used by the President, why it was issued in a state in which he never lived and why it will not pass an e-verify test? Something seems very fishy there.
2) I would not be so quick to claim that the Obama team would challenge a negative ruling in Georgia. If he is hiding something about his past wouldn’t a challenge open up scrunity accross the country rather just in one state. I would argue that if he is hiding something and we don’t know that he is, he would be unwilling to take that risk. It could have the potential of derailing his entire Presidency.

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To Carol Wall: Presidents don’t typically release their college grades, passport applications, etc., so why should President Obama? George Bush never released his grades. Nothing in the Constitution requires one to release grades nor does anything in the Constitution base presidential eligibility on academic performance. In fact, you don’t even have to go to college and have grades to become president. Nor do you have to have a passport, though it might be wise to get one if you do become president. The rest of your arguments are already debunked and, frankly, silly. But there may be a reason why you believe them:

http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/01/27/low-iq-behind-some-conservative-beliefs/

“Children with low intelligence are more likely to grow up to be social conservatives and racists, researchers found in a study published out of the U.K.”

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Ron61:

1. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

“The claim that Social Security numbers beginning with 042 are ‘reserved for Connecticut residents’ is false…the area number portion of an SSN does not (and never did) necessarily correspond to the state in which an applicant was born or resides.”

2. Get over it. He’s not hiding anything.

I suggest you not believe everything birthers like Orly Taitz claim. She could not even get into a real law school, and if you read one of her “pleadings,” you would realize she is not the sharpest tool in the shed. If you truly are not a birther, then perhaps you should do some independent research and analysis rather than gullibly accepting what the narrative someone is feeding you simply because it satisfies your suspicions of those who are different from you.

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Thank you President Obama for continue to fight terrorist and your rescue of Americans all over the world:
You are still keeping this country safe, even though Georgia has more bigots are comming out the trailers and wood work, but you still making their lives more safer and no planes are attacking our buildings, your morales and family values is why God is shining on you sir, thank you

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@CommonSense 1:51
Thanks for the info on the SSN #s.

I did not say Mr. Obama was hiding anything, I believe in my comment I said “…and we don’t know that he is….”.

Quite frankly this whole birther thing seems crazy to me. I am fascinated though has to why the President didn’t release his birth certificate when he began his 2008 campaign. What is the harm in he or ANY candidate releasing that document. The background and lives of our public figures are so well known today through books, TV, news, talk shows, internet, etc. I find it hard to belive that any candidate would have an issue releasing a document stating facts which were already publicly known.

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@Ron61 — “I am fascinated though has to why the President didn’t release his birth certificate when he began his 2008 campaign.”
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But of course that is precisely what he did. The COLB (”short-form”) is a Hawaiian birth certificate, the only type that Hawaii has issued for over a decade. The birthers responded with all kinds of lies, like “it’s got the wrong security paper background,” or “you couldn’t use that to get your kid into Little League,” but none of that was true. He did in fact release his standard Hawaiian birth certificate.

Last year, he decided to go a step further and request that Hawaii make an exception and recreate the kind of “long form” that used to be issued, because so many birthers claimed that that was all they needed to be convinced.

Needless to say, that didn’t satisfy them either.

So, what would it take to satisfy you?

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Ron61:

He DID release it. He released what the state of Hawaii gave him when he applied for a duplicate copy of an original birth certificate that had gone missing. As someone who has moved a lot in my life time and who loses things, I have had to get duplicate copies of birth certificates for my children and myself, and the states where we were born gave me something almost identical to what Obama has, which is an abbreviated certified birth certificate with just enough information to make it legally useful. It was the birthers who started screaming that this wasn’t good enough, despite the fact that the “certificate of live birth” he received–which is what anyone in Hawaii gets when asking for a duplicate of their birth certificate–is good enough anywhere in the US to get a driver’s license, a marriage license, or a US passport.

In fact, it was the state of Hawaii who said they could not release the long form, even to the president, because it was against the law. The law in Hawaii specified what information goes on a duplicate birth certificate and what kind of birth certificate people get when requesting a replacement. The newly elected governor of Hawaii made an exception and agreed to give the president a copy of the original, long-form birth certificate to put the matter to rest once and for all. But it wasn’t enough for birthers, because nothing will ever be good enough for them.

You have to ask yourself why Orly Taitz would file a photocopy of a JPG of a “Kenyan” birth certificate for Obama that someone posted on the Web as evidence he was born in Kenya–later admitted by the creator to be a joke he pulled on the birthers–yet would dismiss a certified birth certificate with a seal that the Hawaii secretary of state has sworn in an affidavit is legitimate as fake.

When comparing those two, a rational person would give far more weight to the Hawaiian copy, accompanied as it was by the sworn statement, over some random image some unknown person posted on the Internet.

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Heh….. it says that Mr. F is a female. It would appear they don’t have any salons up in that corner of the state, bless her heart!

http://teapartyconstitutionalists.ning.com/profile/DavidFarrar

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…why then did Obama run away from a fair fight, with his attorny in tow?

In order for someone to run away, they have to show up first.

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D. Farrar — “I will explain it all to Secretary of State Brina P. Kemp when he needs support for the right decision he is about to make”

Hearing’s over. You’re done.

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Kamchak ,

You see; that’s just my point: He did show up first. He showed up long enough to enter Defendant Obama’s PTO into the record and make a motion tor a dismisal in the case ….and when things didn’t go his way, and it came time to MAN UP and present your stuff, even your almighty birth certificates…what did he do: he chose to ran away to Las Vegas with his tail struck firmly between his legs, muttering something about who needs Georgia anyway.

ex animo
davidfarrar’

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He showed up long enough to enter Defendant Obama’s PTO into the record and make a motion tor[sic] a dismisal in the case…

Obama showed up?

Because according to your original assertion…

David Farrar

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..”Obama [ran] away from a fair fight”.

This is what we call moving the goalpost, sport.

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Amazing, the supposed Americans commenting here that are Anti the U.S. Constitution and could careless about our laws and judicial procedures. Obama is above the Law, Obama’s supporters are above the Law, gotta it…

Bet those same supposed Americans would be calling for Obama to be hung by the neck or burned alive if Obama was a Republican who was refusing to provide proof of being a Natural Born Citizen and also dared, dared ignore the same subpoena to appear in court.

Oh please, you supposed Americans don’t try to deny it. You called for President Bush to die. Even going so far as to hang and burn effigies of him; despite any proof to justify your calls.

What’s that? It was okay to hang or burn effigies because President Bush was white whereas Obama is supposedly black**. Those who play that card are a bunch of 2-faced Bigots, worse than those who founded the Democrat party (http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/3556500-drenched-in-blood-of-slaveryyou-guessed-itthe-democratic-party-is-where-it-all-started).

** (Obama is actually 1/2 White and nearly 1/2 Arab by his parents lineage)

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Bet those same supposed Americans would be calling for Obama to be hung by the neck or burned alive…

I’ll take that bet. Talk’s cheap; whisky costs money.

Oh please, you supposed Americans don’t try to deny it.

I do deny it.

You called for President Bush to die.

I did no such thing.

Even going so far as to hang and burn effigies of him; despite any proof to justify your calls.

And where is your proof that I ever engaged in any such activity?

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And Darren Potter doubles down on the crazy. Actually, we do care about the laws and judicial procedures, which is why we are not pretending like the birthers that Obama did anything illegal by not attending yesterday’s hearing in an ADMINISTRATIVE, not JUDICIAL office. It was within his legal right to ignore the subpoena, which is why the judge shut down any attempts to ask that he hold Obama in “contempt.”

Second, Obama did provide proof of being a natural born citizen, as much as any president before him has provided. He provided a certified copy of his birth certificate provided by the state of Hawaii that the LAW you claim to hold so dear recognizes as proof that he was born in Hawaii and of his eligibility to be president of the United States.

There are always going to be extremists on either side of the political divide who do and say horrible things, like call for a president’s death or say ugly things. But there are certainly far more on the right since Obama has been elected than I recall at any other time in history.

If you birthers have so much respect for the law, where were all your lawsuits when George Bush took it upon himself to violate it as often as he did?

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All these attacks against Orly’s expert witness and evidence may be perfectly correct, we will never know, since there was no rebuttal in court, under oath, at the time. All the evidence presented therefore went straight into the record unchallenged.

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I’ll just say that there is no requirement for residence to receive a SSN card. An new SS card number is issued according to the mailing address given.

The current standard SS-5 application and instructions for a new or replacement SSN card only request that one submits a mailing address that they can receive their card in the next 7 to 14 days. That’s it. Just a mailing address. Could be a friend’s apartment. Could be a college dorm. Could be an attorney’s office. Or it could even be a zip code typo that gets corrected by the USPS, which is what I believe happened with Obama’s application.

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Dan,

have you properly introduced yourself to these fine men and women?

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Dan Farrar — “since there was no rebuttal in court, under oath, at the time. All the evidence presented therefore went straight into the record unchallenged.”

Given Orly Taitz’ track record (if you can call it that) in the courtroom, I don’t think there’s anything to worry about. With her propensity to squawk to high heaven every time she thinks she’s discovered a nugget of evidence, we’d have heard about it by now if she had some sort of coherent argument, let alone a persuasive piece of evidence.

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@David Farrar — “I will explain it all to Secretary of State Brina [sic] P. Kemp when he needs support …”
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Oh, that will be a little late, don’t you think? Kemp delegated the fact-finding responsibility to ALJ Malihi, and the time to present evidence was yesterday. Your case will stand or fall on what your attorney presented in your name.

As far as I can tell, nothing came close to countering the formidable presumption of authenticity carried by an official state document, but don’t take my word for it. Let’s see what SoS Kemp decides.

But you can be sure that, once he does, he’s not going to be turning to you for support.

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Joe Hussein Mama stated:

“Wrong. The State of Hawaii has already verified and validated them The legal presumption at this point is that they are, in fact, valid. The purpose of the hearing was for YOUR SIDE to present your rebutting evidence, which you failed to do”

To which I reply:

Actually, it is my belief that to date the only evidence candidate Obama has presented publically is his “Whitehouse.gov” site. Under the circumstances, would that be enough.

My reply is: Ordinarly, if you were getting a driver’s license or a SS card. As it turns out,candidate Obama’s long form birth certificate fails to shown an embossed seal on its jpg. Now, to many, even to millions, this may cause suppstitions to grow about its authenticity. So no; sir. Simply posting a jpg of a birth certificate up on the Internet is not enough to prove you have executive power. In this case, you will have to prove it…that was the judge’s finding earlier this week, and the real reason he ran away…he was runniing away from the truth.

In any case, allow me to point out that in a court of law, as an Administrative Court surely is, candidate Barack Obama ran because he knew in that setting he would actually have to pony up some real documents. Instead, candidate Obama did what many small-time politiciansdo: not show up. They get the same thing Judge Malihi will be giving candidate Obama, and that is a default judgement and, in this case, a recommendation that candidate Barack Obama’s name be left off of the Gerogia PPP ballot.

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Dan Farrar:

Sure, it went into the “record” of an administrative law proceeding that is not a judicial court and has no precedent and is not going to be used for anything other than the ALJ to make his recommendation to the SoS, who may or may not follow it. Now, if the ALJ ignores the poor quality of the “evidence” and “testimony,” he might recommend keeping the president off the primary ballot. And if the SoS is an idiot, he may decide to try to do that, at which point it gets appealed. Based on earlier rulings in Georgia that the SoS doesn’t have that authority, the SoS is not likely to prevail. But he can try. And when he does, all that crap entered into the record can be forwarded to a real court, where it will likely be the subject of much mirth and disgust as to its lack of evidentiary value. The SoS will also forward the certified COLB that the president’s attorney sent him directly, which the court will look at and which under US law is REQUIRED to be recognized as proof of citizenship unless proof is presented that it is a fraud. No proof was presented that the COLB is a fraud, and the state of Hawaii, which has far more weight with the court than Orly Taitz and her band of witnesses, has far more weight with the courts. So, if they do decided the SoS has the power to determine eligibility, then they will overrule any decision not to put Obama on the ballot based on the evidence provided. And they will explain why, and you’ll have a nice legal opinion explaining just how worthless and laughable the evidence the birthers tried to submit is that will be there for all posterity. In fact, I suspect if the ALJ does his job and bases his opinion on what was submitted, that opinion–which will be in the record–will give ZERO weight to the “evidence,” because it is garbage–it’s speculation and largely irrelevant.

Someone testifying that a PDF of a birth certificate that has been authenticated as genuine by the state of Hawaii has been modified is meaningless. (1) Altering an image of an original sheds no light as to the authenticity of the original. (2) Officials from the State of Hawaii are considered credible and they attest that the birth certificate they have provided is authentic and no court is likely to rule that the state of Hawaii is committing a crime and providing a non-citizen with a fraudulent birth certificate. So unless you have real proof that the president was born elsewhere and thus could not have been born in Hawaii, which no birther has ever managed to find (because it didn’t happen), then you have no case.

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Remember mitt rommney’s father was born in mexico. Is he a natural born citizen? Hmm…birthers think about that.

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Dan Farrar:

You said, “You are correct, by that time Orly knew she had won and that all of her evidence was going into the record unchallenged. So what was left? The show, it was all about putting everything into the public’s view. Going for the witness box was apart of that show.”

The funny part of all this is that somehow you think that is a benefit.

(1) Orly did not “win” anything. The goal is supposedly to keep Obama off the ballot for the Georgia primary, and she hasn’t and ultimately won’t win.

(2) Having her evidence go into the record unchallenged is pretty meaningless. You say it’s about getting it in the “public’s view.” All that garbage is already in the public’s view. She’s filed it multiple times with all her other failed cases. I know because I’ve read the documents and the affidavits from her so-called “experts.”

(3) Having the testimony most certainly does not help your case. The testimony was weak and as anyone could see did nothing to establish that the president is not a citizen of the United States, as the state of Hawaii has attested to. Further, her unprofessional presentation–which earned her admonishments from the judge (”face me,” “stop offering testimony”)–her lack of preparedness (”up, up, up–down, down, down”), her lack of eloquence, and her hilarious stunt of jumping into the witness box to give testimony made her and by extension her clients look like a joke. That is why even other birthers want to stay away from her. She does not come across as a skilled, credible lawyer and actually discredits the “movement” more than she helps it. She helps solidify the opinion most people have that birthers are a bunch of nutjobs. And the weakness of the evidence that you are so proud to have in the record supports the counterarguments (which outnumber the birther arguments) that it’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory contradicted by the facts.

All that “evidence” she placed in the record of this relatively insignificant office will never serve to convince anyone who is not already predisposed to believe the nutty conspiracy theory. So, you birthers can go around citing it to reassure yourselves of the justness of your cause, but no thinking person who does not already believe or want to believe the president is not legitimate will ever consider it anything above a joke.

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@Dan Farrar — “…by that time Orly knew she had won and that all of her evidence was going into the record unchallenged.”
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Well, not quite unchallenged. Remember, in the previous cases, the attorneys relied on copies of the President’s birth certificate to establish that his father was not an American citizen. This is not like three separate criminal trials, where a judge can determine that some defendants are guilty and some are innocent.

ALJ Maliki’s sole role is to make a recommendation to SoS Kemp regarding whether the President is eligible to be a candidate. On the positive side, he’s got a birth certificate (at least one, as we have reason to believe that Jablonski submitted one as well).

So, what compelling evidence did your side introduce that would counter the Full Faith and Credit clause of the Constitution?

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Joe Hussein Mama,

If this was all true, Jablonski could have submitted it and moved for a directed judgement. This was the place to do that, even more so if you already have it in electronic form.

You see what you don’t understand is that it is candidate Obama who is running away from the truth here, not us “Birthers.”

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David Farrar — “If this was all true, Jablonski could have submitted it and moved for a directed judgement.”

Wrong. Administrative courts can’t do that. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

“This was the place to do that, even more so if you already have it in electronic form.”

Wrong. Administrative courts don’t work that way. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about.

“You see what you don’t understand is that it is candidate Obama who is running away from the truth here, not us “Birthers.”

No, I understand quite clearly. President Obama’s BC is valid as a matter of established law. You are attempting to challenge it with no hard evidence whatsoever. Your side is desperate, but you have little experience with the legal system and are hopelessly out of your depth. However, due to your ignorance of what administrative courts are and how they work, you have ginned yourselves up into a belief that you’ve somehow won something.

No matter. This won’t be the first time that Taitz has claimed a win, only to be slapped down hard by the court shortly thereafter.

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Maybe not, but the state of Georgia has a right to vet any candidate running for office within the state.

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Dan, Dan, Dan.

The judge is not issuing a default judgment because he is not authorized to make any sort of legally binding judgment. Further, even when one side does not appear, the law regarding this procedure specifically stipulates that the judge must consider all the evidence available when issuing that recommendation (that would include the birth certificate that the plaintiffs agreed to stipulate to as valid and legal to make their case that Obama’s father was not born in the U.S.).

Yes, the judge may have said at the outset he would make a default decision and let the plaintiffs’ evidence be entered into the record uncontested, but that is not the same thing as saying that he was also willing to accept all the evidence as true and correct (which the law admonishes him not to do). Further, any judge who decides to pretend that any of the evidence presented has any weight is going to make himself the subject of a lot of derision from his peers and the public (kind of like Orly Taitz). You still don’t realize how meaningless this whole exercise was, do you? I’ll give you a hint–that’s WHY the president and his counsel didn’t show up. If it really meant something, they would have been there.

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Dan Farrar — “Maybe not, but the state of Georgia has a right to vet any candidate running for office within the state.”

Actually, no. There’s no such right.

Georgia is obliged under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution to treat the official documents of other States in the same manner as it treats its own official documents. So long as President Obama has met the Federal qualifications for being on the Federal ballot, the only conditions that can be imposed on him are administrative — and those have to be the same for all candidates. Georgia can’t say, for example, “we need another form of ID” unless it says the same thing to all candidates. And even if Georgia did, that would probably be struck down at the Federal level.

Long story short, you’re just plain wrong again.

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CommonSense

Those “plaintiffs” you seem to base your whole theory upon were not part of my case; sir. And as suchthey can swear to anything and everything they like. It has no bearing on my case.

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ON TO THE NEXT ONE…………

Birthers takes a beating in COLD water.

Can it wash away the stench of racism?

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Dan, David — prior to this week, had either of you ever attended an administrative court hearing? Did you even know how they differ from criminal or civil court proceedings?

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Arthur B.

Want to bet?

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@David Farrar — “the judge’s had just told them he was going to enter a default judgement against candidate Obama”
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Um, David, are you aware that the judge issued a ruling today saying that “[t]he parties may file any post hearing pleadings by Wednesday, February 1, 2012″?

Does that sound to you like he is entering a default judgement?

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David Farrar — ” And considering the judge’s had just told them he was going to enter a default judgement against candidate Obama and recommend to the Secretary of State that candidate Barack Obama’s name not be placed on Georgia’s PPP ballot, the rest was easy to comply with.”

I sincerely doubt that’s what he said.

I’m sure that what you *wanted* him to say, but I don’t believe for a moment that’s actually what he did say.

“you should be directing that question to Michael Jablonski. He is the one that so screwed up his PTO, he couldn’t even enter candidate Barack Obama’s birth certifictes into the record. Ha! Ha! Ha!”

Shrug. Barack Obama will be on the ballot in Georgia in November. You can count on it.

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@David Farrar “Joe Hussein Mama,

you should be directing that question to Michael Jablonski. He is the one that so screwed up his PTO, he couldn’t even enter candidate Barack Obama’s birth certifictes into the record. Ha! Ha! Ha!

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It wasn’t his job to do so, since the Administrative courts have no bearing and no position to weigh in on anyone’s citizenship issues. That belongs to the Superior and then the US Supreme Courts.

The only person that needs to see the COLB is the Secretary of State (in some states) and/or the Political party of the candidate.

Obama provided his documents the DNC 3 years ago. He doesn’t have to or is required to give it to anyone else.

Jablonski was right in ignoring this circus event, because ultimately Judge Malihi has no power to force anyone off or on a ballot. That resides with the SoS

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David Farrar:

You said: “My goal is to “Prove” candidate Barack Obama meets his constitutional qualifications to take the oath of office of the presidency of the United States.”

See, that is the crux of your problem. In the eyes of the law, his constitutional eligibility is established fact, which is why he’s president and why the Supreme Court rejects Orly’s appeals. Legally speaking, the only case you can bring is to disprove that which the government already accepts as fact (his US citizenship).

Speculations and doubts do not constitute factual evidence, which is what a court will demand (should one ever grant standing) if you want to challenge the status quo, which is that the president is a natural born citizen of the United States.

Don’t you get it??? The State of Hawaii says he was born in their state; they have given him the certified document, stamped and sealed, and attested to the fact that he was born there and is thus a U.S. citizen. Their recognition of him as having been born in Hawaii makes him a citizen of the United States in EVERY state and U.S. territory.

It will work for you, too. You can order a certified copy of your BC and submit it to get a passport identifying you as a U.S. citizen and nobody is going to challenge it. I know because I did this. That certified copy of your birth certificate sent to you by the state is considered LEGAL PROOF that you are a U.S. citizen. Now, you can complain that you personally haven’t seen the birth certificate or that a court hasn’t seen it, but that doesn’t matter. Until a court rules otherwise, he doesn’t have to show it to you because you don’t have the right or ability to determine whether it is legitimate.

So, assuming a real court deems that you have standing (unlikely based on the success rate to date) to challenge the president’s citizenship, the court will then require that you present FACTUAL evidence and testimony to the best of your ability and the defense will be allowed to challenge that with evidence and testimony of their own and then the court or jury weighs who is more credible.

To refute his citizenship, your evidence will have to prove one or more of the following: (1) the state of Hawaii is lying/wrong; (2) the president was born outside the U.S.; (3) the president’s mother was not an American citizen at the time of his birth and thus did not confer citizenship onto him; (4) the state of Hawaii never issued a birth certificate and what he uses is a forgery.

Speculations about alterations to a PDF of a scanned copy of the original do not constitute factual evidence and do not prove his original birth certificate is not legitimate. Thus, the birth certificate stands.

Do you have proof he was born elsewhere? I didn’t think so. A copy of something downloaded off the Internet that has not been certified by any other country as originating from them is not acceptable as evidence, as one Georgia court already ruled. Nor are sworn affidavits of secondhand (hearsay) information.

Do you have any evidence that the state of Hawaii is lying, such as correspondence or other documentation or sworn testimony from a direct witness? So much for that. (And you’ll never get those records unless you get standing and are granted discovery.)

Now, his social security number actually has no bearing on his citizenship because you could theoretically be a natural born citizen but decide to get a fraudulent social security number. Your suspicions have given you doubts that he’s not a citizen, but they do not constitute proof. They are not facts. Can you prove that those first three digits ONLY appear on SS#s issued in Connecticut? Probably not, since the SS administration that issues the numbers itself says that is not always the case. Even assuming that were the case, could you prove Obama never lived in Connecticut or didn’t have his SS card sent there? No, I didn’t think so. And we’ve already seen the SNOPES account debunking the whole idea that it was someone else’s SS#. I’m afraid that the system “expert” Susan Daniels uses is not given the same weight as records from the Social Security administration, which is what SNOPES used.

In the eyes of the law, the burden is on you to disprove his citizenship. You have no evidence to do that at this point (only speculation and doubts, easily countered by a competent defense), and you would have to be granted standing to get discovery, which no court is going to give you just to go on a fishing expedition to see if there’s any there there. First, you have to make a solid case that the evidence you are looking for exists, and you don’t even have enough to do that.

At the end of the day, all you have are a bunch of, “I think these things don’t look right and don’t accept the law’s acceptance of Obama’s birth certificate as proof of citizenship, so you should make him prove that the law is right to accept it. But that’s not how it works. The law has accepted it and it’s up to you to provide evidence as to why they shouldn’t.

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Arthur B.

No one said the court coudln’t or won’t accept his two birth certificates and let the judge take judicial notice of them.

From what we are presenting right now, even as we speak, we are building our case to minimize the level of judical notice this judge will give to these two documents.

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zataesAnd he’s got to consider all the evidence. He’s certainly familiar with the Full Faith and Credit clause

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Said by Joe Hussein Mama: “Mr. Obama submitted a copy of his BC to Congress, along with supporting documentation from the Governor of Hawaii ”

Never happened. The Governor of Hawaii, despite all his efforts, never found Obama’s Birth Certificate (Certificate of Live Birth). What Obama did was make a statement about ending the controversy, then the White House (not Obama) presented what was an obviously forged Birth Certificate (Certificate of Live Birth). The reason for Obama not making the release himself and his vague statements to the release, was plausible denial.

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Here is the list of Witlessneses that Orly subpoenaed:

1. Felicito Papa
2. Douglas Vogt
3. Christopher Strunk
4. Linda Jordan
5. John Sampson
6. Susan Daniels
7. Loretta Fuddy
8. Alvin Onaka
9. Custodian of records Associated Press
10 Custodian of records US State Department
11. Custodian of records Department of Homeland Security
12. Custodian of Records Social Security Administration
13. Custodian of Records/ Registrar Occidental College
14. Custodian of Records Columbia University
15. Custodian of Records Harvard University
16. Custodian of Records Punahoa school
17. Scott Inoui
18 Custodian of records Assissi school Jakarta, Indonesia
19. Robert Bauer
20. Judith Corley
21 Tatan Suyflana
22 Barack Obama

How many of the 22 showed up?

So admonish Obama for not showing up, but you’ll let slide the other 18 that also didn’t.

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D. Farrar — “While our PTO followed exactly Judge Malihi’s later finding almost to the letter. This is the real reason candidate Barack Obama cut and ran….surving the coming media blitz when the decision is made, is preferable to trying to surve showning a court of law hisa real papers.”

You just don’t get it. He doesn’t HAVE to show any papers. YOU do.

The presumption of legality is *already* on the President’ side as a matter of established and Constitutional law. As you are challenging that established law, the onus is on you and your side to prove your case, not to cast doubt on the President’s documents. They could be written in Crayolas on butcher paper and they’d still be legal *as a matter of law.*

You won’t get them struck down without overwhelmingly convincing hard evidence on your side, and you quite simply haven’t got any.

I hope Orly Taitz works cheap, because you’re throwing your money away on this case.

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@ Darren Potter “Never happened. The Governor of Hawaii, despite all his efforts, never found Obama’s Birth Certificate (Certificate of Live Birth).

Repeating this birther lie? Gov. Abercrombie said no such thing. He made reference to what he couldn’t find publicly. Not about the private records held by Hawaii Department of Health.

@Darren Potter “What Obama did was make a statement about ending the controversy, then the White House (not Obama) presented what was an obviously forged Birth Certificate (Certificate of Live Birth). ”

Another Lie. Obama held the Press Conference on April 27 2011, where his aides handed out copies of the COLB to the press. Even Les Kensolving (of World Ne(u)t Daily) said that the COLB he saw was genuine. the website that leads the charge of slander against Obama and his citizenship, their reporter said that the COLB is genuine.

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@David Farrar — “we are building our case to minimize the level of judical notice this judge will give to these two documents.”
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I don’t know what “minimize the level of judical [sic] notice” can possibly mean.

Either he knows the document exists or he doesn’t.

And you still haven’t said, how do you get around the Full Faith and Credit clause?

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D. Potter — “How come you won’t hold Obama to his own words: “The Only People Who Don’t Want to Disclose the Truth are Those with Something to Hide”

Because he already disclosed it as required by US law, and because the applicable authorities have recognized it as valid and verified.

Your satisfaction or lack thereof with the document is irrelevant.

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Well I see our avid birthers are still up to it.

David Farrar, I have looked through all the comments and although its possible I have missed it, it appears you are RUNNING AWAY from answering what particular EXPERTISE you have received as a Georgia notary to determine that a birth certificate is false. Please don’t side step. I understand you may claim the “seal” is not embossed on the internet website you have looked at. But again, you claim NOTARY status makes you an expert for some reason on the subject and you have yet to answer that question about your professed expert status. You do realize you would be asked this question in a court if you made such a claim and that you would NOT be qualified any more than my dog to testify as a “notary expert” as to the validity or invalidity of a Hawaiian birth certificate. Why the false claim of expertise?

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Oy vey, they reject the truth and then they claim….it is up to you to prove the truth.

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[correction to 6:02, should of course be other lawyers]

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My goal is to “Prove” candidate Barack Obama meets his constitutional qualifications to take the oath of office of the presidency of the United States.

Your goal was to get the sitting President to come and personally answer your silliness, and it has certainly chapped your ass that he didn’t show, hence your continued allegations of Obama running away.

Again — Obama can only cut and run or run away if he actually showed up in the first place.

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I did not know that Fox was an Obama supporter….. the things birthers can teach us.

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@Darren Potter — “Governor Linda Lingle, never came forth claiming to have viewed and verified Obama’s Birth Certificate.”
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That’s right. What she said was, “So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health…”

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Darren Potter:

You are clearly delusional, even more so than the usual birther.

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David Farrar:

You are challenging the president’s candidacy, but he is the president and thus any laws pertinent to the office of the presidency are pertinent to him, regardless of the reason for your challenge. So, for example, if you don’t have the right to compel the president to appear in a state court, then you don’t have the right to compel President Obama to appear, even if you are challenging his candidacy, so your continued effort to make a distinction in that regard is somewhat silly.

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But he did show up first. As I have explained. It was only when things didn’t go his way, he cut and ran.

It is your contention that President Obama personally attended this hearing?

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@Darren Potter — “…COLB, which was examined and determined to be a forgery by experts.”
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Would you care to remind us, who were the experts who determined it to be a forgery? What do we know about them that shows they’re experts?

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D. Farrar — “But candidate Obama is the Defendant in this case Ha! ha! ha! ”

Wrong. Once again, you clearly don’t understand how administrative courts work.

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@Darrent Potter “Your wrong. The White House released what they claimed was Obama’s Birth Certificate (Certificate of Live Birth). A document that Obama supporters (media included) gulliblly or blindly accepted as being real. A document, anybody who was unbiased, had a good eye, and imaging knowledge could see the numerous flaws of; making the document a forgery.”

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Again, a birther lie. The White House released copies from the original COLB certified copy as sent to President Obama by the State of Hawaii Department of Health, through Obama’s attorney.

We have their letter stating as such:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/News_Release_Birth_Certificate_042711.pdf

And what about Savanah Guthrie, who handled the COLB in her hands and took pictures of it?
http://lockerz.com/s/96540937

The only people who see fakery are birthers and we know that they have very poor eye sights.

Read it an weep birther:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

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y_p_w — “As far as the Governor of Hawaii goes, the previous one didn’t witness it, but contacted her Director of Health and asked her to personally check on the status and report back. That was the reason for the two statements by the Director of Health that she had seen the original document and could verify his Honolulu birth as well as the date of birth.”

Actually, Governor Lingle DID witness it as well at the time. The reason for that is that Lingle, a Republican, felt that it would tamp down partisan complaints if a member of her party witnessed it as well. As the highest-ranking Republican officeholder in the State of Hawaii at that time (Federal offices included), she decided to just do it herself.

Governor Lingle even said at the time that neither of them saw anything irregular on the document, nor anything on the document that would render Obama unable to serve as President if he were elected.

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KUTGF — “KUTGF, Sgt. Mgr. Atty. Gen. in a light wine sauce.”

And now for something completely different . . .

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HawaiiBorn — “Read it an weep birther”

I like that the Hawaii State Assembly passed that law allowing the State Department of Vital Records to blow off repeated and abusive birther demands for documents.

Kama’ainas are generally pretty peaceful and mellow people, but don’t pizz them off. They’ll send their Samoan cousins to beat you up.

Boddah you, birther? Like BEEF? (laughing)

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Hawaiiborn:

“Experts” is such a subjective term, isn’t it? After watching the testimony of these experts, I can tell you that if I needed an IT guy, I wouldn’t call Orly’s IT witness, and if I needed a private attorney, I’d hire Encyclopedia Brown before I’d hire Susan Daniels.

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@Darren Potter “Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth was authentic and legally acceptable to a court.”

The part that says “This document shall serve as Prima Facie Evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding” at the bottom of the original certified copy.

Since real people know that REal courts would accept the paper document, and that any lawyer wouldn’t submit a PDF or image found online, your question of course is irrelevant.

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CommonSense

January 27th, 2012
6:20 pm

“You are challenging the president’s candidacy” — hogwash. I am challenging as per Georgia statutes, candidate Barack Obama qualification to met his constitutional amd statutorial qualifications, as Judge Malihi has already made a “Finding” in this case that he must do.

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@ Common Sense ” I’d hire Encyclopedia Brown before I’d hire Susan Daniels.”

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Oh and what’s nice is now we have her testimony on record her criminal activity as well as her admitting to commit Identity Fraud. She accessed databases to get to Obama’s SS records an eVerify by posing as Barack Obama.

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Said by Joe Hussein Mama: “I like that the Hawaii State Assembly passed that law allowing the State Department of Vital Records to blow off”

At least you admit to enjoying seeing a state government actively participate in a cover-up to protect a Democrat at the expense of America’s election system. Looks like the next American election might as well be done Cuba, Iran, (aka dictator) style.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

January 27th, 2012
6:42 pm

You are as welcome to your own delusions as I am to mine. But in a court of law the only thing a certified birth certificate document “Proves” is that a birth occurred and that it was recorded; that’s it. Everything else must be corroborated by other independent evidence, usually quickly obtained by the publication of the person’s natal records andhospital birth certificates. Something it took Donald Trump two weeks to produce.

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@David Farrar “At least you admit to enjoying seeing a state government actively participate in a cover-up to protect a Democrat at the expense of America’s election system.”

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Yeah, being inundated with thousands of calls a day, on an already strapped office (who had to take furlough days) with only 8 to 10 workers, while they field these birther questions, and telling that the law doesn’t allow for this type of information to be released to the public is “covering it up”.

an office that was under Republican Control (beacuse this all started under Linda Lingle’s tenure who is a Republican), and most of these harassment calls and requests, came during her time as governor, wants to “cover up” your imagined conspiracy.

only in the birther mind set, does privacy laws that apply to everyone, including the President, means that they are covering it up.

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Hawaiiborn:

I’m guessing no one will do anything about that, but I think Jay should do some research and write an article on that. How about it Jay? “Did Orly Taitz’ witnesses break the law?” That includes her attempt to submit documents that were not accepted into the record because it appears the only way they could have been obtained was illegally, by posing as the president or his employer, and whoever did the dirty deed blacked out identifying information on the forms to hide the “evidence.”

I really think someone should write an article on that–”Have the Birthers Gone Too Far?” I can see the lede…”The birthers claim they only want to ensure the law is being followed and that the president meets the Constitutional requirements for president, but as the birthers continue to dig for that elusive smoking gun, it appears the birthers are the ones who have been flouting the law.”

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As far as I know there are only two people outside of Obama’s campaign, the Hawaii Dept of Health, or his administration have handled the birth certificates since he started running for President. The first would be when a staffer at his Chicago campaign office allowed in someone from Factcheck.com. The other would be NBC White House correspondent Savannah Guthrie.

There are some rumors that Michael Jablonski was able to get a new certified copy and has submitted it to the Georgia Secretary of State, but that remains to be seen.

John McCain was said to have shown a Washington Post reporter a copy of his birth certificate. It was unclear whether it was a government issued document or if it was a hospital souvenir.

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@David Farrar “that was the attorneys of the other two cases, not my case. Please pay attention.”

It doesn’t matter. You were all arguing essentially the same thing : He’s in-elligible because of some made up belief that 1) he doesn’t have 2 citizen parents so he isn’t a Natural born (which doesn’t fit any belief in the past 200 years of legal history ) or 2) that he was not born in Hawaii (which doesn’t matter because Obama’s mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth).

so no matter what angle you are trying to argue, birther, you fail legally since in either situation, Obama is still a Natural born citizen and eligible for being a candidate for POTUS.

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y_p_w — “I’m just saying that I have never, ever seen any verifiable statement that Governor Lingle ever personally viewed the original “vault copy” certificate of birth in the Dept of Health archives.”

Shrug. You can do an internet search if you’d like. I recall reading it in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser back then, but there’s been some change of ownership (and one of the papers shut down) so their archives are a mess now (not to mention some of the content being behind a paywall).

In any event, I think birthers use that term “verifiable” to mean ‘evidence that I am personally satisfied and comfortable with.’ I don’t think there’s any amount or quality of evidence that birthers would accept, so I don’t bother with presenting any. I just point out that the presumption of legality lies with the President, and that birthers have an *extremely high* burden of proof that they don’t seem even to have comprehended, let alone begun to tackle.

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D. Farrar — “But in a court of law the only thing a certified birth certificate document “Proves” is that a birth occurred and that it was recorded; that’s it.”

Once again, you weren’t IN a “court of law” this week. You were in an administrative court. Things work differently in there.

“Everything else must be corroborated by other independent evidence, usually quickly obtained by the publication of the person’s natal records andhospital birth certificates.”

Wrong.

“Something it took Donald Trump two weeks to produce.”

Something he *claims* to have, but hasn’t bothered to actually produce. Seems to me like you’re applying a different standard to Trump. (laughing, pointing)

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They only have about 8 employees? In the main Dept of Health building for the entire state?

Sheesh – my county recorder’s office has more employees than that. In California it’s a combination of county clerk-recorders, the California Dept of Public Health, and a few cities that issue birth certificates. After about 6 months, only the State Dept of Public Health holds onto the original, but right now certified copies typically only produced from relatively low resolution scanned images. If you go to a county recorder, they can print it up for you, but they’ve just pulling the image up from a database of scanned certificates and printing it out using a laser printer.

California has open birth records, although they’ve changed their laws over the years when just anyone could get a regular birth certificate copy; there were a few cases of identity fraud. If Hawaii had such a law (where anyone can get an “informational” certified copy), then perhaps Hawaii wouldn’t be inundated. Of perhaps they would be swamped by people ordering copies as souvenirs, in which case they might be able to print tons in bulk as a money making operation. Former Presidential candidate Jon Huntsman, Jr. was born in California, and a reporter in SLC got a copy.

http://i.imgur.com/4wC4Z.jpg

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David Farrar:

You DO have delusions, don’t you?

You said: “You are as welcome to your own delusions as I am to mine. But in a court of law the only thing a certified birth certificate document “Proves” is that a birth occurred and that it was recorded; that’s it. Everything else must be corroborated by other independent evidence, usually quickly obtained by the publication of the person’s natal records andhospital birth certificates. Something it took Donald Trump two weeks to produce.”

WRONG.

In a court of law, a birth certificate proves WHERE and WHEN someone was born and any other information on it. If you submit a certified copy of a birth certificate into the record, all the information on that birth certificate is considered FACTUAL unless you have solid evidence to prove otherwise–suspicions are not enough. No corroborating information is required.

Your arguments are just ludicrous. No court is going to say, “Well we accept this state-issued certified COLB as proof that a child was born but we do not accept it as proof as to when and where that child is born and who his or her parents were unless you provide other evidence.” Where is the logic in claiming that some of the information on a certified COLB somehow carries more legal weight than other information? That is just not how it works.

And this thing about the “hospital” birth certificate as proof is just silly. When my kids were born, the hospital provided its own cute little paper with footprints on it and specifically told me that this piece of paper was not valid for legal purposes–I couldn’t use it to get a Social Security Card or a Passport for my kid. It was for NOVELTY purposes. That is all the “hospital birth certificate” is good for, and many people don’t even have them–like kids who are born at home.

However, I did fill out a form at the hospital that was used to create the birth record with the state that enabled me to get a certified copy of the birth certificate–which is just like the president’s COLB–and I was able to use that to get a Passport and Social Security number for my sons without any additional “evidence.”

If you’ve ever been to family court (and I have as a child) or were a party to an adoption proceeding or divorce, you would be well aware that the certified state supplied birth certificate is accepted in its entirety without additional information. They don’t demand additional information to prove that the child was born on the date and at the location indicated. How absurd and uninformed.

And if you did go to court and try to use that little ol’ thing the hospital gives you as proof, you’d be laughed at because that is not considered an official, legal record.

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D. Potter — “Oh geez, that makes all the difference. Like nobody with basic PhotoChopping skills couldn’t cut-n-paste that statement on to am image, to claim the image was REAL, AUTHENTIC, FACT.”

Irrelevant, given that the State of Hawaii has verified and validated the document and as Congress has accepted it. The document is valid as a matter of Federal law.

“The FACT (as Obama supporters like to scream) is Obama did not show up in court, because Obama no longer thinks: “sunshine is the best disinfectant”.

The fact is that he didn’t bother because y’all don’t have a case.

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@Darren Potter “Oh geez, that makes all the difference. Like nobody with basic PhotoChopping skills couldn’t cut-n-paste that statement on to am image, to claim the image was REAL, AUTHENTIC, FACT.”

FACT: Birthers have yet to provide evidence of such “tampering” or manipulation to the ACTUAL paper document.

They spend hours crowing about images and pdf’s but NONE, ABSOLUTELY none of them took the time to get their keisters to Chicago, and examine the COLB when it was at the Campaign offices.

Seeing as FactCheck got to see the original COLB in person, please tell us how anyone tampered with the actual document that contains the REgistrar’s seal, signature and date?

http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

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Hawaiiborn — Manapua, Spam musubi and pass-o-guava. Whattaya say? You know a good place?

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@Joe Hussein Mama — no make me hunga for some manapua!! no mo where I stay right now…and dey call’em steam buns…not da same!!!

I ken make my own spam musubi, but dang pass-guava juice mix hard to come by. ^_^

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“Because we are not China and we do not spy on our citizens, block their access to information and freedom of expression, and we don’t force everyone to work 100% of the time at all hours of the day and night just to meet some stupid free market drivelers goal of making everyone “produce” all the time. That’s why.”

Except there actually are numerous companies out there that record every single keystroke……and folks usually don’t know it until the “novel” is dropped on their desk along with the “pack it up” box……

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Joe,

Thanks for responding earlier, but this is what aroused my curiosity:

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/04/28/yes-there-was-a-kapiolani-maternity-gynecological-hospital-in-1961/

In debunking the name of the hospital, one will notice a copy of an original birth certificate of one of 2 twins (the other can be found in cyberspace too)…..and the originals use Oahu…….not Hawaii.

It would seem to me that a facility producing babies would be fairly consistent in filling out these docs.

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Hawaiiborn — “I ken make my own spam musubi, but dang pass-guava juice mix hard to come by. ^_^”

My wife and I discovered a couple of years ago that Tang makes like THIRTY different flavors that are mostly sold outside the USA. You can find them in Brazilian markets (often, the proprietors will be happy to order you some) in pouches that make 2 liters, or in cans that make a lot more. They DO make passionfruit (maracuya) and guava (guayaba) flavors that are mostly sold in Brazil and elsewhere in South America. You can also find it on eBay sometimes.

Seems to me like you could mix some passion Tang, some orange Tang and some guava Tang and then tweak the mix to get pass-o-guava fruit punch the way you like it.

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@Joe Hussein Mama

We get it bettah ova hear. The local Asian market will import sometimes Hawaiian Sun can drinks and the frozen and you mix with water drinks. I have to pay $4 for six pack of Hawaiian Sun, but the frozen mix drinks (makes 2 quarts) is about $2 . I get all da flavors when they get ‘em in.

Hawaiian Iced Tea
Strawberry Lilikoi
Passo-Guava
Passion Orange

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Speaking of long hours, I’m out for tonight. Work’s got me all weekend, so it can’t have me any more tonight.

Everyone play nice, be well and drive safely.

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Hawaiiborn — “Strawberry Lilikoi”
“Passo-Guava”
“Passion Orange”

O_O (drool)

I do so LOVE the Passion Orange Hawaiian Sun drinks. Someone used to make a Lilikoi punch or fountain drink out there I couldn’t get enough of, either.

Okay, now I’m out. And probably going to Whole Foods this weekend to see if they stock Hawaiian Sun any more.

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@jay — “Like a cat playing with a wounded mouse, huh Arthur?”
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LOL, touché!

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@Dena

SouthernStyle will cite this one:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_ZS.html

But of course, he is lying about what it says. The US Supreme Court specifically stated that they were not going to address citizenship. And the that they would recognize that there is definitely one way of being a natural born citizen, but were not going to address the other ways.

the paragraph that birthers like to use is:
“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents.”

but always leave off the two sentences that follow:

” As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts.”

FOR THE PURPOSES of this CASE IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO SOLVE THESE DOUBTS.

So no, the case did not define natural born citizenship because Minor’s citizenship was already conceeded by both sides. It was a voting rights case, not a citizenship case.

So he ignores a decision that came 15 years later: Wong Kim Ark, which was a citizenship case and defined what a natural born citizen is.

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Eli, I listened to every one of President Obama’s speeches and yet I did not know about this. Darn it, I would have enlisted immediately. hahahahahaha

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@Deana, better to head off their stupidity. Birthers are broken records

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Commonsense: I have been a democrat all my adult life. I voted for Mr. Obama in the last election and up until the court hearing on the 26th I had been arguing this issue with my identical twin brother, David. I swore to him that he must be mistaken as the President Obama has proven his qualifications over and over again. I was in that courtroom yesterday and I had a front row seat, literally, there was no more room when we arrived so I took a seat on the empty ‘Defendant witness seats.” I sat through and heard every word and I’ve got to admit to you, if I were sitting as a jurist in that courtroom, rather than a spectator, I would have been persuaded by the evidence and testimony presented. One example; John Samson is a retired Social Security Enforcement Officer, Fraud Division, JFK who, under oath, testified President Obama social security number, which he’s had for seventeen years, is a fake. He then went on to explain why he thought that. Right court or wrong these questions will not go away until they are address. The State of Georgia tried to give the President the opportunity to confront these questions head on, with his original documents in hand he could have brilliantly silenced these birthers once and for all in five minutes. But he chose instead to ignore the will of the people of Georgia, their laws and their courts by obtaining.

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@Dan Farrar “One example; John Samson is a retired Social Security Enforcement Officer, Fraud Division, JFK who, under oath, testified President Obama social security number, which he’s had for seventeen years, is a fake. He then went on to explain why he thought that.”

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Yes, but he doesn’t even know the policies of the former division that he worked for? Because you know right on the SSA’s website they explain the Geo code quite well:

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

“Note: One should not make too much of the “geographical code.” It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.”

that is how we knew his testimony was based on things he didn’t know.

and since we didn’t have computers in 1973 to spit out SSN’s correctly, all of that was done by hand, usually by a clerk, who entered the information onto punch cards. It doesn’t take a leap of logic to see that the clerk who was responsible may have entered Obama’s zip code wrong or that the clerk didn’t read his zip code write (due to poor handwriting. Obama is left handed, and being Left handed myself, my handwriting is left to be desired)

96814 = Honolulu, HI – zip code of where he lived at the time he applied for an SSN
06814 = Danbury, CT – zip code that might have been mistyped by the person who handled his mailed in application

seeing as Obama used his SSN since he was 16 years of age, its hard to believe that the IRS wouldn’t have noticed this for the last 38 years.

and his SSN has no relevancy to being President (30 out of the 44 Presidents didn’t have Social Security Numbers).

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http://www.scribd.com/doc/79613378/Farrar-Welden-Swensson-Powell-v-Obama-Order-Denying-Taitz-s-Letters-Rogatory-for-Hawaii-Documents-Related-to-Obama-1-27-2012

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@Hawaiiborn

January 27th, 2012
9:19 pm
seeing as Obama used his SSN since he was 16 years of age, its hard to believe that the IRS wouldn’t have noticed this for the last 38 years.

and his SSN has no relevancy to being President (30 out of the 44 Presidents didn’t have Social Security Numbers).
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Don’t get into a peeing match with a skunk (Dan Farrar).

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@Dan Farrar

January 27th, 2012
9:30 pm
correction: I didn’t mean to say,”President Obama has had his social security number for seventeen years.” The testimony was, the social security number being used by Obama which he’s had since 1977 belongs to a deceased juvenile from Connecticut.
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Alright………………………….

You are starting to scare me.

You sound like a LUNATIC.

Stop spewing your lies. No one is BUYING IT.

Go play in traffic.

Obama is WINNING.
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Farrar|Welden|Swensson|Powell v. Obama –

Order Denying Taitz’s Letters Rogatory for Hawaii Documents Related to Obama

1/27/2012

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> The testimony was, the social security number being used by Obama which he’s had since 1977 belongs to a deceased juvenile from Connecticut.

Wait, whatever happened to the claim that Obama was using the SSN of a deceased French immigrant who died in 1981?

Is it now a juvenile?

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@David Farrar — “A motion to seperate for just that reason was made and granted by the judge earlier in the case.”
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Please explain what you think that means. Do you expect ALJ Malihi to come out with three separate rulings, like “he’s eligible in cases 1 and 2 but ineligible in case 3″? That obviously makes no sense.

He’s got to come up with a single recommendation, so it has to come from the evidence he gets in all three cases. Either he’s aware of the birth certificate or he’s not.

What do you think? Is he aware of it or is he not?

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@Dan Farrar — “His birth certificate was fake too.”
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Did you happen to be listening when Orly told the judge that she agreed to the authenticity of the birth certificate that the other two lawyers brought to court?

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Dena: I simply can’t remember all the names and dates that were presented. We shall have to wait for the transcripts before discussing this case in any real detail. My personal impression was that all the witness appeared to be entirely believable.

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Dena : I can only relate what I heard and saw and the impression it made on be at the time. I cannot explain any inconsistencies.

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Hawaiiborn:

“The State of Hawaii Department of Health, could have written his COLB with crayon and fingerpaint on poster board, and it would still be prima facie evidence, as long as it contains the registrars signature, seal and date that he/she confirms that the data is true and factual.”

Again, Hawiiborn, the court will accept candidate Obama’s prima facie evidence. It’s the relative probative value the court assigns to his prima facie evidence that is important. Two prima facie brith certificates with defective certification seals, prima facie evidence that essentially stands alone without any independant corrorbative evidence to support it, will have very little, if any, probative value itself.

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@David Farrar — “prima facie evidence that essentially stands alone without any independant corrorbative evidence to support it”
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You do understand that what prima facie means is that it is valid standing alone, without any independent corroborative evidence to support it?

The burden is on your side to overcome the strong presumption of authenticity. So far you haven’t scratched the surface of coming close.

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And again, David, I ask you what that means. Do you expect him to acknowledge the existence of the validated document for two of the claims but not for yours? Is that in fact what you believe will happen?

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Arthur B.

January 27th, 2012
10:34 pm

It means the court in the first two cases will accept the authenticity of the documents in question, while in the last case, it does not. What’s so heard to grasp about this simple concept?

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David, I’m not sure what you’re saying.

The point of prima facie evidence is that is presumed to be accurate as to its contents. If it says that someone named Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, it proves that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, and assuming he has lived here at least 14 years, he is Constitutionally eligible to be President.

It needs no corroboration to stand as proof of those facts. The burden is on you to prove otherwise.

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David —

By the way, you know that that subject is moot anyway. The order that ALJ Malihi issued today invited all parties to submit their final arguments and evidence. You can bet that Mr. Jablonski will see to it that a certified copy of the COLB is sent to him. Then nothing the other attorneys said will even matter — ALJ Malihi will be obligated under the Full Faith and Credit clause to recognize and accept that document.

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Arthur B.

January 27th, 2012
10:48 pm

The Judge already made his decision…but even if he hadn’t, what’s so hard to imagine the judge overruling the first two cases, while sustaining the last case?

ex animo
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Arthur B: If that’s the case I for one will be much relieved and only wonder why he did not do this at the very first challenge, with his original papers (where they could be examined ) in hand a court of law?

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Dan, as I was explaining to David, official government documents occupy a special position in the law. They are considered to be prima facie evidence. That means that any court will accept them to prove as fact the information they contain; they are presumed to be accurate. That means that anyone who wishes to dispute the information must overcome that very strong presumption, and actually prove that the document is not to be trusted.

President Obama, unlike any previous President, released a certified copy of his Birth Certificate prior to the 2008 election. He did this voluntarily; there was no legal requirement to do so.

Some people, for reasons that I will not attempt to guess, have tried to undermine the enormous power of the evidence that he has shown. Nevertheless, there is no reason for him to have this document authenticated in any way. It is, under the Federal Rules of Evidence, self-authenticating, just like your birth certificate and mine. People use birth certificates every day to prove when and where they were born, so they can get passports, drivers licenses, etc.

If you think that special procedures are required to validate Barack Obama’s birth certificate, procedures that never seem to be used for anyone else’s birth certificate, you’ve got to make a very strong case to justify it.

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