Some cold water on overheated birther-mania

“do so at your own peril” sure sounds like a threat on the President….has anybody seen the Secret Service going into Kemp’s office????

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In the end there is no chance Obama will carry this state in the general election so the court’s or secretary of state’s decision has no bearing on the Novemeber election. My only question is why is it so difficult for anyone to produce a birth certificate? I can do it. Can you? This whole question would have been avoided from the beginning if Obama had not been secretive about his birth. It’s not the “birthers” that caused the problem. All they ever did was ask for proof of citizenship. A legitimate question unless you have something to hide.

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Tommy Maddox,

I don’t know the answer to your questions, but nobody is going to appeal this administrative court decision anywhere, Obama’s nonappearance saw to that. Appellate judges take a very deem view of of defendants dissing their lower courts for any reason.

I suspect when Secretary Kemp upholds Judge Malihi’s decision, he will probably be sued by candidate Barack Obama in a normal trial setting, with the outcome being appealed all the way up to, hopefully, the SCOTUS.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Maybe some of you new folks can help with my question about the documents provided……snopes has good info on several of the questions, but in de-bunking the issues many sites have produced birth certificates of 2 twins born after Obama in the supposed same facility…….

The issues now in question……Obama’s official number is higher than both of them although he was born the day before and on both of their docs the state is listed as Honolulu, Oahu, while Obama’s is listed as Honolulu, Hawaii……I find that a bit odd coming from the same institution……..

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[...] this this blog, Judge Malihi said yesterday he would enter a DEFAULT JUDGEMENT against Obama! Enter Jay Bookman to ruin the fun, he’s such a killjoy. I know you will be shocked to hear this, but Orly Taitz and others [...]

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Tommy, you may want to try Rule 616-1-2-.39 and OCGA 50-13-19

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Dena,

I think you, and the general public, should be aware that presenting one’s certified birth certificate in a court of law, while sufficient to get a driver’s license and a SSN card, is insufficient to prove ones identity. In a court of law, a certified birth certificate only “Proves” that a birth occurred and was recorded. It is generally not taken by the courts as absolute proof of identity, especially when both of candidate Barack Obama’s, two certified birth certificates were certified incorrectly and are, therefore, defective, calling for the production by candidate Barack Obama of other proof that he has met his constitutional qualifications beside his two birth certificates.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Mighty Righty, Obama has most Assuredly NOT been “secretive” about his birth in the least. He is in fact the first and only presidential candidate in US history to be so public about his birth as to release TWICE an official state certified birth certificate. How can you say something that is so roundly false like that?

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Keep, thanks for that. Not being a lawyer my exposure to
‘ the legals’ has been limited and hopefully will continue that way.

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It’s interesting that President Obama’s attorney Mr. Jablonski recognizes authority enough to go behind the court’s back to ask Secretary of State Kemp to halt the administrative proceedings. They know they’re in deep water – Secty Kemp already indicated in a response to Jablonski’s request that if they don’t show up they do so ‘at their own peril’, that is, Secty Kemp is not highly favoring Obama. Ultimate authority to include or not including a candidate on the Georgia ballot is with the Georgia Secretary of State, not the federal government. Judge Mahili also indicated that although it may be true that President Obama may not HAVE to show up to court, his attorney failed to ‘enlighten the court’ with the proper authority to do so. Looks like there’s a real case on their hands. And knowing how other states followed Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin, chances are the same will happen here. Documented here: http://goo.gl/TPJdd

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Seems to me Mr. Farrar focuses on the “slight” to the ALJ while ignoring the “slight” to the President of this country. I am sure that the ALJ can get over his devastation that perhaps he is not the center of the world for the man running this country and that there are strategic and political reasons why the President chose not to participate in this matter.

Barking, many many times I wish that my exposure to the legals was limited.

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Mattii,

The only affront taken place here is candidate Barack Obama failing to show up in a duly authorized and emplowered Georgia court to specifically seperate fact from fiction as it relates to candidate Barack Obam’s birth record, and candidate ran away with his trail between his legs to Las Vegs.

ex animo
davidfarrar.

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Birthers

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David Farrar,

Once again, good luck with that, buddy. I MEAN IT. You’re not fooling me for a second, and if you’re “successful,” you’re gonna get a great big spotlight on YOUR pale round behind, along with all the **insert adjectives and pejorative noun** who tie their boats to this **insert adjectives** stunt. I welcome the spotlight where it belongs — not on the place of our President’s birth; that’s already been proven — but on people like you who support the ruination of the State of Georgia.

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preciousliberty ,

Right you are. Candidate Obama thought enough of this lowly administrative court to particiate long enough to ask this court for a dismissal. But when he didn’t get one, he ran away.How many of us, we, the People, can do that?

ex animo
davidfarrar

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Orly Taitz subpoenaed multiple people who didn’t show up.

She subpoenaed the news director for the CBS affiliate in Atlanta – no show.

She subpoenaed a Department of Health and Human Services official in Georgia – no show.

She subpoenaed Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Arizona – no show.

She subpoenaed Hawaii Director of Health Loretta Fuddy (as well as the original copy of Obama’s birth certificate and a microfilm roll) – no show.

What is the truth is that Judge Mahili has zero power to compel anyone to show up or bring documents to an administrative hearing. The truth is that there are clear precedents that a sitting President can’t be compelled to respond to a subpoena (and I’m sure Judge Malihi knows this). What Mahlili wrote in his denial of the motion to quash was that Obama’s attorney was being unduly snarky and failed to be specific in his citations of laws and precedent. I think they may have a history when they don’t particularly like each other. Obama’s attorney could have easily resubmitted a motion to quash but decided not to. After seeing the hearing, I’m starting to think he did the right thing by not showing up.

The administrative law judge isn’t there to decide for one side or the other, but to make a recommendation based on the facts before him. A lot of the stuff before him was irrelevant or so beyond the scope of what an administrative law judge is supposed to take in that I’m sure he’s going to ignore most of it. After seeing the hearing, I’d be surprised if he doesn’t uphold Obama’s eligibility.

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“I get knocked down
But I get up again
You’re never going to keep me down”
–Thomas Jefferson

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Why dont we run all of Jay’s blog poster’s through a time study and IP address look up and see if they are all unemployed, or screwing the companies that they work for by blogging incessantly daily on Bookman’s drivel instead of producing.

Because we are not China and we do not spy on our citizens, block their access to information and freedom of expression, and we don’t force everyone to work 100% of the time at all hours of the day and night just to meet some stupid free market drivelers goal of making everyone “produce” all the time. That’s why.

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Frog, I have been a notary for many years. The qualifications include at least 18 years, reading and writing english, an operating telephone number, no prior adverse matters relating to a notary commission and effectively no criminal convictions (I have not looked up whether there are exception beyond minor traffic violations) and 2 “endorsements”. I suspect that many many McDonalds customers can meet the standard should they choose to do pay the fee.

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Keep Up the Good Fight!

I can assure you, when the time comes, as I have just demonstrated with this challenge; I will bring this evidence forward. All I want to say is that both certifications were done incorrectly and as a result must and will be set aside to concider other evidence.

ex animo
davidfarrar

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When will the retards on the right stop, this story is so stupid no media outlets are reporting it.
When will you country hicks stop it, remember some of us georgians have to travel outside of Georgia and different parts of the land are laughing at us, instead of spending time on Obama birth certificate why dont you hicks ask Newt what has he done for Georgia? why are there so many poor whites living in these trailers down 75 s highway and why would you support him?

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STATES WITH THE NEW
NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE LAW
SHOULD BE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT
THE PRESIDENT OBAMA ELIGIBILITY CASE
JANUARY 26, 2012.

Vermont, is a state which is violating
the U.S. Constitutional rights of its voters by “giving away”
our Electoral College votes to whomever gets the highest
number of votes nationwide,
rather than the highest number
of votes in Vermont.

The new Vermont law is called
National Popular Vote.No. 10. An act relating to the Agreement Among the States to Elect the
President by National Popular Vote.
(S.31)
It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont:
Sec. 1. 17 V.S.A. chapter 58 is added to read:
CHAPTER 58. AGREEMENT AMONG THE STATES TO ELECT THE
PRESIDENT BY NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE
§ 2751. ARTICLE I–MEMBERSHIP
Any state of the United States and the District of Columbia may become a
member of this agreement by enacting this agreement.
§ 2752. ARTICLE II–RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE IN MEMBER STATES TO
VOTE FOR PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT
Each member state shall conduct a statewide popular election for President
and Vice President of the United States.
etc.

Doesn’t that give every Vermont voter
legal standing to be concerned about WHO gets on the ballot
for President in every other state for the primary and general
elections?

President Barack Hussein Obama presented his first birth certificate
to the American public on factcheck.org,
and on it, in the lower right hand corner,
in tiny print, are H.R.S. codes,
which are Hawaii Revised Statutes
that prove the certificate was altered and/or amended.

What was it altered and/or amended from?

Why are the ultra super rich 1% treated differently under the law, as compared
to how disrespectfully, and sometimes even hatefully, the lower 99% are treated?

PROPOSED CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT AGAINST PRESIDENT
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA FOR FRAUDULENT
CONCEALMENT OF FACTS
PROPOSED:
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CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT
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AGAINST
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PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
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FOR
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FRAUDULENT CONCEALMENT OF MATERIAL FACTS THAT HE ALLEGEDLY HAS A DUTY TO PROVIDE
VOTERS BECAUSE HIS “CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH” SHOWS THIS LEGAL NOTICE IN TINY
PRINT IN THE LOWER RIGHT HAND CORNER:
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“[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19].
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l DUTY is required by the legal notice on his
“Certification of Live Birth” which, in the lower right hand corner, in tiny
fine print, states: [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19].
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Was it fraud in a fiduciary capacity against taxpayers and voters for each and
every member of the United States Congress on January 8, 2009 to vote without
first issuing a subpoena for Barack Hussein Obama’s original long form birth
certificate? Isn’t it true that Federal Rules of Evidence prohibit the members
of the United States Congress, both House and Senate, from relying on
non-admissible hearsay?
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Was the Congressional certification of Electoral College Votes on January 8,
2009 an act of conspiracy to defraud voters and taxpayers
because former Vice President Dick Cheney asked for members of Congress to vote
without informed consent, and this resulted in an alleged possible conspiracy to
issue forth certified votes as fraudulent conveyances?
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28 USCS Section 1491 Claims against the United States.
http://ucfc.uscourts.gov/
Federal Claims Court
http://uscode.house.gov/
Online law library
28 USCS
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Chapter 91. United States Court of Federal Claims
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Section 1491. Claims against United States generally
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(a)(1) The United States Court of Federal Claims shall have jurisdiction to
render judgment upon any claim against the United States founded either upon the
Constitution [USCS, Constitution], or any Act of Congress or any regulation of
an executive department, or upon any express or implied contract with the United
States.
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(2) To provide an entire remedy and to complete the relief afforded by the
judgment, the court may, as an incident of and collateral to any such judgment,
issue orders directing restoration to office or position, placement in
appropriate duty or retirement status, and correction of applicable records, and
such orders may be issued to any appropriate official of the United States. In
any case within its jurisdiction, the Court shall have the power to remand
appropriate matters to any administrative or executive body or official with
such direction as it may deem proper and just.
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“Court of Federal Claims is Article I Court of limited jurisdiction created by
Congress as forum where private parties could sue government for non-tort money
claims, where claims would otherwise be barred by sovereign immunity.” Slovacek
v United States (1998) 40 Fed Cl 828, 98-1 USTC 50397, 81 AFTR 2d 98-1859.
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“Congress created Court of Federal Claims to afford individuals forum to bring
specific claims against government; while placing jurisdictional limits upon
Court, Congress did not intend those jurisdictional limits to be manipulated to
prevent claimant from recovering compensation against government.” Davis v
United States (1996) 35 Fed Cl 392.
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“Jurisdiction under 28 USCS Section 1491 applies only to contracts either
express or implied in fact, not implied in law, where (1) agreement implied in
fact is founded upon meeting of minds, which, although not embodied in express
contract, is inferred from conduct of parties showing their tacit understanding,
while (2) by contrast, agreement implied in law is fiction of law where promise
is imputed to perform legal duty.” Hercules Inc. v United States (1996, US) 134
L Ed 2d 47, 116 S Ct 981, 96 CDOS 1403, 96 Daily Journal DAR 2395, 40 CCF 76894,
9 FLW Fed S 442.
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“HRS 338-19″, on President Obama’s Certification of Live Birth, in tiny fine
print in the lower right hand corner [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19] is a legal notice
of Hawaii Revised Statute 338-19 which means that this Certificate of Live Birth
is based on documents that were too old or otherwise in such condition that they
could not be used to certify. This statute is contradictory because if the
documents were too old or in too poor a condition to be used to certify, then
why did the State of Hawaii issue a “copy” that was based on possibly
non-legible material? It makes no common sense. The Statute is contradictory,
overly vague, overly broad and therefore unconstitutional.
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HRS 338-13(b) is subject to the requirements of HRS 338-16, HRS 338-17 and HRS
338-18. These are for birth certificates that are issued one year or more after
birth, and for certificates that have been altered, and/or both. This set of
statutes also gives a party legal standing to request a judicial determination
of the validity of the birth certificate because it was issued one year or more
after birth and/or altered.
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“Court of Federal Claims lacks jurisdiction to hear claims against States or
their Agencies except where States or their Agencies acted as agents of United
States.” Hassan v United States (1998) 41 Fed CL 149.
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Clearly, the State of Hawaii and the Agency of the Department of Health of
Hawaii, have acted as agents of former Vice President Dick Cheney, Speaker of
the House of Representatives in the United States Congress, Nancy Pelosi, and
each and every member of the United States Congress, House and Senate, and
President Barack Hussein Obama.

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28 USCS Section 2680. “Plaintiff’s federal tort claim against government is not
dismissed prior to discovery on grounds that discretionary function exception of
28 USCS Section 2680(a) applied, because factual issues and evidence to support
those issues are not presently known to plaintiff, and dismissal of action prior
to discovery would be premature and unduly harsh.” Fanoele v United States
(1995, DC Kan) 898 F Supp 822.
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(1) The United States Congress failed to do their duty to obtain any long form
birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama before certifying the Electoral
College Votes.
(2) Former Vice President Dick Cheney failed to do his duty to ask for
objections to the Electoral College vote.
(3) President Barack Hussein Obama has failed to do his duty to release the
information upon which statutes HRS 338-13(b) {which is subject to the
requirements of 338-16, 338-17, 338-18} and 338-19 were legally required to be
noticed on his “Certification of Live Birth”.
(4) The United States Court of Federal Claims now has legal jurisdiction to hear
complaints seeking President Barack Hussein Obama’s status as a natural born
citizen because all of the Judges and Justices in State and Federal Courts,
including the Supreme Court of the United States, dismissed and/or denied
complaints where previous plaintiffs have tried various motions to compel Barack
Hussein Obama’s original long form birth certificate and all other underlying
documents supporting the legal notice on his short form Certification of Live
Birth, including three legal notices on that form: (1) Date of Birth August 4,
1961, Date filed with Registrar August 8, 1961; (2) [HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]; (3)
(Rev. 11/01) LASER
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The third legal notice on President Barack Hussein Obama’s Certification of Live
Birth states (Rev. 11/01) LASER.
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Barack Hussein Obama received this “Certification of Live Birth” after he was
already 40 years old.
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What took him so long?
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Why did he receive this “Certification of Live Birth” which was issued when he
was 40 years old, or older, after September 11, 2001, the Terrorist Attack on
the United States of America? Where was he living during the Terrorist Attack on
the United States of America and why did he need to get a “Certification of Live
Birth” after the attack, and how much was it altered from the original long form
birth certificate?
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WE, the PEOPLE, NEED TO KNOW!
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President Barack Hussein Obama holds the Office of the President of the United
States of America, and his “Certification of Live Birth” should now be required
to be determined if it can, or can not, withstand federal scrutiny. 28 USCS Appx
Rule 803, n 119. United States Code Service, Lawyers Edition, Issued in May
1998, Rules of Evidence for United States Courts and Magistrates, page 216,
“District Court did not abuse its discretion in applying Federal Rules of
Evidence rather than Hawaii Health Department rules and in finding results of
intoxilizer test admissible under public records and reports exception to
hearsay rule of Rule 803(6)(8), United States v De Water (1988, CA9 Hawaii) 846
F2d 528, 25 Fed Rules Evid Serv 748.”
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THIS PROPOSED
Class Action Lawsuit to subpoena the material facts, the original material
upon which the legal notice on the long form
birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama was based,
in the United States Court of Federal
Claims,
needs
a Pro Bono attorney.

President Obama should be treated with Equal
Respect, the same as any other possible
illegal alien.

In other words, shall we give
every alleged illegal
alien Equal Treatment Under the Law, the
same as if they were sitting in the White House?

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OBAMA SOAP OPERA 2012

Quest to find the concealed details about President Barack Hussein

Obama’s birth,

as proven by the first birth certificate he released through factcheck.org

which shows,

in tiny print,

clearly in the right hand lower corner,

H.R.S. codes,

which are Hawaii Revised Statutes that prove the

original birth certificate was legally

(under Hawaii Laws)

amended and/or altered?

The “Birthers” are still trying to find

out what facts were amended and/or altered.

They won’t give up

because they love a mystery and they love human drama.

The first with the real facts will be panting on movie

producers’ doorsteps!

Obama Soap Opera and/or Movie Script

Episode One:

Mr. Stanley Dunham went to a Black (then known as “Negro”)

bar in an area with prostitution.

If Mr. Stanley Dunham got a Black (”Negro”) woman pregnant,

then it is possible

that he then asked his teenage daughter, Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham,

to pretend to be

the baby’s mother,

(rather than what she really was, his half sister)

to save his marriage.

The prostitute turned her baby over to

Mr. Stanley Dunham, who handed it over to his daughter.

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham’s friend, Barack Obama Sr. from Kenya,

needed to extend his student visa

and would willingly marry her,

knowing that he was already married in Kenya

and she could

annul the marriage when it was convenient to her.

In 1961, Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, and/or her parents,

might have felt that an “African”

identity for baby Obama,

would be better than “Negro”,

which was the term at the time.

After Obama’s birth, Barack Obama Sr.

went to Harvard and dated other women, before

returning to his first wife and family in Kenya.

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham, during the course of her career, left young

Obama with her parents in Hawaii for years at a time,

an act that is more like a half sister than a mother.

Episode Two:

Frank Marshall Davis, a Black Communist, and poet, left

Chicago for Hawaii but he might have stopped over in

Seattle, Washington for a few weeks, and

he might be Obama’s real father.

The Dunham family,

Stanley and his wife Madelyn, and daughter, Stanley Ann, moved from

Seattle, Washington to Hawaii late in the summer of 1960

after she finished high school.

They might have been trying to

get her as far away as possible from her “Negro” boyfriend,

and if they knew she was already pregnant, then they might

have felt that a “mixed race” baby would be more acceptable

among Hawaiins with darker skin.

If Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham became pregnant in Seattle,

then Obama could have been born earlier than Aug. 4, 1961,

accounting for Ms. Stanley Ann’s ability to return to college

in Seattle in August, 1961.

The first birth certificate that

Obama released to the public has H.R.S. codes in the

right hand corner in tiny print that show it was altered and

or amended. The birthdate may have been altered and/or

amended so that it would not appear that she was already

pregnant before her fake marriage to Barack Obama, Sr.

Episode Three:

Either Mr. Stanley Dunham or Frank Marshall Davis are

the most likely men to be the real father of

President Barack Hussein Obama, but he was shuffled around

in childhood from Hawaii to Indonesia and back to Hawaii,

and he is now rootless and ruthless. The only place Obama

has ever really felt truly at home is in the White House.

President Obama is running for his second and final term in

office, and he knows that people will forgive him for waving his

false flags of amended and/or altered birth certificates showing

his father was from Kenya, which is not likely to be the truth,

if only he can bring tears to their eyes.

After all, many chidren in the United States of America are born

with family secrets disguising the truth of their real parentage.

President Obama gets together with his team 2012 advisors

and dreams up ways to take surveys to determine which

“father” figure is most likely to get him elected this time.

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I would note that Obama’s certified birth certificate was a “one off” item. They don’t currently do it that was, and the Hawaii Director of Health approved the procudure for how it was produced. Back when they previously printed a “long form” that was routine, the issue date and certification stamp were on the back, as they currently do for the so-called “short form”. The embossed seal used on Obama’s “long form” also appears to be the “higher resolution” version from a hand-lever embosser rather than the stylized version that they typically use today. Having experience with a few documents wouldn’t mean diddly squat when there are perfectly legitimate variations. Heck – several states issue so-called “heirloom birth certificates” which are legal documents, but look all cutesy with some sort of background image and perhaps fancy type. Heck – Washington’s version is hand-signed by the Governor and State Registrar. I’m wondering who the heck would be able to authenticate that if she’s got inconsistent handwriting.

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md — “and on both of their docs the state is listed as Honolulu, Oahu, while Obama’s is listed as Honolulu, Hawaii……I find that a bit odd coming from the same institution……..”

Oahu has no govermental or political significance in Hawaii. Honolulu is Honolulu, no matter where you choose to indicate its location. Saying (for example) Honolulu, Oahu, Hawaii only specifies that you’re talking about the Honolulu on the island of Oahu. There is no Oahu County — there’s Honolulu County instead.

It’s worth observing that some place names are repeated on different islands out there; for example, there’s a Kailua on both Oahu and on the Big Island of Hawaii. However, AFAIK, there is no Honolulu on the Big Island.

In short, saying Honolulu, Oahu is the same as saying Honolulu, Hawaii.

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President Obama has bought shame to the People house with no respect to the American people.

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So, while it may be shocking, it isnt’ impossible we have all been duped in this country. How can you refute what BO himself admits, his father was not born here, nor did he become a US citizen before he fathered BO. And, if your Prince of Darkness has nothing to hide, why did he alter the Certificate of Live Birth? WHY? He should have to answer that, if nothing else. Despite what you or any other liberal thinks, he is not above the law (norl does he walk on water). He was never vetted. He has not released his background paperwork..ie..college, passports, SS apps, etc. Where there is smoke, there is usually fire, and smoke is bellowing from BO’s background.Malihi is doing what no other judge before him has done in this case, his job. I hope and pray he doesn’t meet with an fatal accident before he makes his determination. The left can not stand to see BO questioned. lol I hope this thing blows up in his face.

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So, while it may be shocking, it isnt’ impossible we have all been duped in this country.

Also, it isn’t impossible that unicorns crap skittles.

But I personally wouldn’t go around shouting that to the world.

Just sayin’.

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Your points are valid and I am not a “birther” as you call these folks, but I have these questions for you:
1) Aren’t you curious at all about the SSN being used by the President, why it was issued in a state in which he never lived and why it will not pass an e-verify test? Something seems very fishy there.
2) I would not be so quick to claim that the Obama team would challenge a negative ruling in Georgia. If he is hiding something about his past wouldn’t a challenge open up scrunity accross the country rather just in one state. I would argue that if he is hiding something and we don’t know that he is, he would be unwilling to take that risk. It could have the potential of derailing his entire Presidency.

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To Carol Wall: Presidents don’t typically release their college grades, passport applications, etc., so why should President Obama? George Bush never released his grades. Nothing in the Constitution requires one to release grades nor does anything in the Constitution base presidential eligibility on academic performance. In fact, you don’t even have to go to college and have grades to become president. Nor do you have to have a passport, though it might be wise to get one if you do become president. The rest of your arguments are already debunked and, frankly, silly. But there may be a reason why you believe them:

http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/2012/01/27/low-iq-behind-some-conservative-beliefs/

“Children with low intelligence are more likely to grow up to be social conservatives and racists, researchers found in a study published out of the U.K.”

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Ron61:

1. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ssn.asp

“The claim that Social Security numbers beginning with 042 are ‘reserved for Connecticut residents’ is false…the area number portion of an SSN does not (and never did) necessarily correspond to the state in which an applicant was born or resides.”

2. Get over it. He’s not hiding anything.

I suggest you not believe everything birthers like Orly Taitz claim. She could not even get into a real law school, and if you read one of her “pleadings,” you would realize she is not the sharpest tool in the shed. If you truly are not a birther, then perhaps you should do some independent research and analysis rather than gullibly accepting what the narrative someone is feeding you simply because it satisfies your suspicions of those who are different from you.

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Thank you President Obama for continue to fight terrorist and your rescue of Americans all over the world:
You are still keeping this country safe, even though Georgia has more bigots are comming out the trailers and wood work, but you still making their lives more safer and no planes are attacking our buildings, your morales and family values is why God is shining on you sir, thank you

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@CommonSense 1:51
Thanks for the info on the SSN #s.

I did not say Mr. Obama was hiding anything, I believe in my comment I said “…and we don’t know that he is….”.

Quite frankly this whole birther thing seems crazy to me. I am fascinated though has to why the President didn’t release his birth certificate when he began his 2008 campaign. What is the harm in he or ANY candidate releasing that document. The background and lives of our public figures are so well known today through books, TV, news, talk shows, internet, etc. I find it hard to belive that any candidate would have an issue releasing a document stating facts which were already publicly known.

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@Ron61 — “I am fascinated though has to why the President didn’t release his birth certificate when he began his 2008 campaign.”
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But of course that is precisely what he did. The COLB (”short-form”) is a Hawaiian birth certificate, the only type that Hawaii has issued for over a decade. The birthers responded with all kinds of lies, like “it’s got the wrong security paper background,” or “you couldn’t use that to get your kid into Little League,” but none of that was true. He did in fact release his standard Hawaiian birth certificate.

Last year, he decided to go a step further and request that Hawaii make an exception and recreate the kind of “long form” that used to be issued, because so many birthers claimed that that was all they needed to be convinced.

Needless to say, that didn’t satisfy them either.

So, what would it take to satisfy you?

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Ron61:

He DID release it. He released what the state of Hawaii gave him when he applied for a duplicate copy of an original birth certificate that had gone missing. As someone who has moved a lot in my life time and who loses things, I have had to get duplicate copies of birth certificates for my children and myself, and the states where we were born gave me something almost identical to what Obama has, which is an abbreviated certified birth certificate with just enough information to make it legally useful. It was the birthers who started screaming that this wasn’t good enough, despite the fact that the “certificate of live birth” he received–which is what anyone in Hawaii gets when asking for a duplicate of their birth certificate–is good enough anywhere in the US to get a driver’s license, a marriage license, or a US passport.

In fact, it was the state of Hawaii who said they could not release the long form, even to the president, because it was against the law. The law in Hawaii specified what information goes on a duplicate birth certificate and what kind of birth certificate people get when requesting a replacement. The newly elected governor of Hawaii made an exception and agreed to give the president a copy of the original, long-form birth certificate to put the matter to rest once and for all. But it wasn’t enough for birthers, because nothing will ever be good enough for them.

You have to ask yourself why Orly Taitz would file a photocopy of a JPG of a “Kenyan” birth certificate for Obama that someone posted on the Web as evidence he was born in Kenya–later admitted by the creator to be a joke he pulled on the birthers–yet would dismiss a certified birth certificate with a seal that the Hawaii secretary of state has sworn in an affidavit is legitimate as fake.

When comparing those two, a rational person would give far more weight to the Hawaiian copy, accompanied as it was by the sworn statement, over some random image some unknown person posted on the Internet.

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Heh….. it says that Mr. F is a female. It would appear they don’t have any salons up in that corner of the state, bless her heart!

http://teapartyconstitutionalists.ning.com/profile/DavidFarrar

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…why then did Obama run away from a fair fight, with his attorny in tow?

In order for someone to run away, they have to show up first.

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D. Farrar — “I will explain it all to Secretary of State Brina P. Kemp when he needs support for the right decision he is about to make”

Hearing’s over. You’re done.

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Kamchak ,

You see; that’s just my point: He did show up first. He showed up long enough to enter Defendant Obama’s PTO into the record and make a motion tor a dismisal in the case ….and when things didn’t go his way, and it came time to MAN UP and present your stuff, even your almighty birth certificates…what did he do: he chose to ran away to Las Vegas with his tail struck firmly between his legs, muttering something about who needs Georgia anyway.

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He showed up long enough to enter Defendant Obama’s PTO into the record and make a motion tor[sic] a dismisal in the case…

Obama showed up?

Because according to your original assertion…

David Farrar

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..”Obama [ran] away from a fair fight”.

This is what we call moving the goalpost, sport.

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Amazing, the supposed Americans commenting here that are Anti the U.S. Constitution and could careless about our laws and judicial procedures. Obama is above the Law, Obama’s supporters are above the Law, gotta it…

Bet those same supposed Americans would be calling for Obama to be hung by the neck or burned alive if Obama was a Republican who was refusing to provide proof of being a Natural Born Citizen and also dared, dared ignore the same subpoena to appear in court.

Oh please, you supposed Americans don’t try to deny it. You called for President Bush to die. Even going so far as to hang and burn effigies of him; despite any proof to justify your calls.

What’s that? It was okay to hang or burn effigies because President Bush was white whereas Obama is supposedly black**. Those who play that card are a bunch of 2-faced Bigots, worse than those who founded the Democrat party (http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/3556500-drenched-in-blood-of-slaveryyou-guessed-itthe-democratic-party-is-where-it-all-started).

** (Obama is actually 1/2 White and nearly 1/2 Arab by his parents lineage)

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Bet those same supposed Americans would be calling for Obama to be hung by the neck or burned alive…

I’ll take that bet. Talk’s cheap; whisky costs money.

Oh please, you supposed Americans don’t try to deny it.

I do deny it.

You called for President Bush to die.

I did no such thing.

Even going so far as to hang and burn effigies of him; despite any proof to justify your calls.

And where is your proof that I ever engaged in any such activity?

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And Darren Potter doubles down on the crazy. Actually, we do care about the laws and judicial procedures, which is why we are not pretending like the birthers that Obama did anything illegal by not attending yesterday’s hearing in an ADMINISTRATIVE, not JUDICIAL office. It was within his legal right to ignore the subpoena, which is why the judge shut down any attempts to ask that he hold Obama in “contempt.”

Second, Obama did provide proof of being a natural born citizen, as much as any president before him has provided. He provided a certified copy of his birth certificate provided by the state of Hawaii that the LAW you claim to hold so dear recognizes as proof that he was born in Hawaii and of his eligibility to be president of the United States.

There are always going to be extremists on either side of the political divide who do and say horrible things, like call for a president’s death or say ugly things. But there are certainly far more on the right since Obama has been elected than I recall at any other time in history.

If you birthers have so much respect for the law, where were all your lawsuits when George Bush took it upon himself to violate it as often as he did?

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All these attacks against Orly’s expert witness and evidence may be perfectly correct, we will never know, since there was no rebuttal in court, under oath, at the time. All the evidence presented therefore went straight into the record unchallenged.

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I’ll just say that there is no requirement for residence to receive a SSN card. An new SS card number is issued according to the mailing address given.

The current standard SS-5 application and instructions for a new or replacement SSN card only request that one submits a mailing address that they can receive their card in the next 7 to 14 days. That’s it. Just a mailing address. Could be a friend’s apartment. Could be a college dorm. Could be an attorney’s office. Or it could even be a zip code typo that gets corrected by the USPS, which is what I believe happened with Obama’s application.

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Dan,

have you properly introduced yourself to these fine men and women?

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davidfarrar

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Dan Farrar — “since there was no rebuttal in court, under oath, at the time. All the evidence presented therefore went straight into the record unchallenged.”

Given Orly Taitz’ track record (if you can call it that) in the courtroom, I don’t think there’s anything to worry about. With her propensity to squawk to high heaven every time she thinks she’s discovered a nugget of evidence, we’d have heard about it by now if she had some sort of coherent argument, let alone a persuasive piece of evidence.

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@David Farrar — “I will explain it all to Secretary of State Brina [sic] P. Kemp when he needs support …”
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Oh, that will be a little late, don’t you think? Kemp delegated the fact-finding responsibility to ALJ Malihi, and the time to present evidence was yesterday. Your case will stand or fall on what your attorney presented in your name.

As far as I can tell, nothing came close to countering the formidable presumption of authenticity carried by an official state document, but don’t take my word for it. Let’s see what SoS Kemp decides.

But you can be sure that, once he does, he’s not going to be turning to you for support.

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Joe Hussein Mama stated:

“Wrong. The State of Hawaii has already verified and validated them The legal presumption at this point is that they are, in fact, valid. The purpose of the hearing was for YOUR SIDE to present your rebutting evidence, which you failed to do”

To which I reply:

Actually, it is my belief that to date the only evidence candidate Obama has presented publically is his “Whitehouse.gov” site. Under the circumstances, would that be enough.

My reply is: Ordinarly, if you were getting a driver’s license or a SS card. As it turns out,candidate Obama’s long form birth certificate fails to shown an embossed seal on its jpg. Now, to many, even to millions, this may cause suppstitions to grow about its authenticity. So no; sir. Simply posting a jpg of a birth certificate up on the Internet is not enough to prove you have executive power. In this case, you will have to prove it…that was the judge’s finding earlier this week, and the real reason he ran away…he was runniing away from the truth.

In any case, allow me to point out that in a court of law, as an Administrative Court surely is, candidate Barack Obama ran because he knew in that setting he would actually have to pony up some real documents. Instead, candidate Obama did what many small-time politiciansdo: not show up. They get the same thing Judge Malihi will be giving candidate Obama, and that is a default judgement and, in this case, a recommendation that candidate Barack Obama’s name be left off of the Gerogia PPP ballot.

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davidfarrar

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Dan Farrar:

Sure, it went into the “record” of an administrative law proceeding that is not a judicial court and has no precedent and is not going to be used for anything other than the ALJ to make his recommendation to the SoS, who may or may not follow it. Now, if the ALJ ignores the poor quality of the “evidence” and “testimony,” he might recommend keeping the president off the primary ballot. And if the SoS is an idiot, he may decide to try to do that, at which point it gets appealed. Based on earlier rulings in Georgia that the SoS doesn’t have that authority, the SoS is not likely to prevail. But he can try. And when he does, all that crap entered into the record can be forwarded to a real court, where it will likely be the subject of much mirth and disgust as to its lack of evidentiary value. The SoS will also forward the certified COLB that the president’s attorney sent him directly, which the court will look at and which under US law is REQUIRED to be recognized as proof of citizenship unless proof is presented that it is a fraud. No proof was presented that the COLB is a fraud, and the state of Hawaii, which has far more weight with the court than Orly Taitz and her band of witnesses, has far more weight with the courts. So, if they do decided the SoS has the power to determine eligibility, then they will overrule any decision not to put Obama on the ballot based on the evidence provided. And they will explain why, and you’ll have a nice legal opinion explaining just how worthless and laughable the evidence the birthers tried to submit is that will be there for all posterity. In fact, I suspect if the ALJ does his job and bases his opinion on what was submitted, that opinion–which will be in the record–will give ZERO weight to the “evidence,” because it is garbage–it’s speculation and largely irrelevant.

Someone testifying that a PDF of a birth certificate that has been authenticated as genuine by the state of Hawaii has been modified is meaningless. (1) Altering an image of an original sheds no light as to the authenticity of the original. (2) Officials from the State of Hawaii are considered credible and they attest that the birth certificate they have provided is authentic and no court is likely to rule that the state of Hawaii is committing a crime and providing a non-citizen with a fraudulent birth certificate. So unless you have real proof that the president was born elsewhere and thus could not have been born in Hawaii, which no birther has ever managed to find (because it didn’t happen), then you have no case.

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