Missives from the land of the birthers
I’m in the courtroom of Judge Michael Malihi, awaiting arguments in a case attempting to remove Barack Obama from the 2012 Georgia presidential ballot.
Roughly 100 people are in the courtroom, most of them older white Americans. The conversations are thick with various birthed theories being bandied about.
Dressed tastefully in black and wearing a pearl choker, The redoubtable Orly Taitz swept in a few minutes ago, making a star’s entrance amid whispers of “look, there she is!”
A bailiff has summoned attorneys for the plaintiffs and defendants into chambers for a pre-hearing conference. Since the Obama camp has decided to boycott the hearing, only the four plaintiffs’ attorneys, including Taitz, are in the session.
The plaintiffs have queued up a number of exhibits, including CBS and ABC videos reporting on Obama’s time in Indonesia. No sign of whether such exhibits will be allowed.
I’m in the courtroom of Judge Michael Malihi, awaiting arguments in a case attempting to remove Barack Obama from the 2012 Georgia presidential ballot.
Roughly 100 people are in the courtroom, most of them older white Americans. The conversations are thick with various birthed theories being bandied about.
Dressed tastefully in black and wearing a pearl choker, The redoubtable Orly Taitz swept in a few minutes ago, making a star’s entrance amid whispers of “look, there she is!”
A bailiff has summoned attorneys for the plaintiffs and defendants into chambers for a pre-hearing conference. Since the Obama camp has decided to boycott the hearing, only the four plaintiffs’ attorneys, including Taitz, are in the session.
The plaintiffs have queued up a number of exhibits, including CBS and ABC videos reporting on Obama’s time in Indonesia. No sign of whether such exhibits will be allowed.
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WOODSTOCK MIKE
January 26th, 2012
11:20 am
The main issue you hear about from Democrats is the tax issue, the 1% vs the 99%.
I was out with some friends last night, a close friend of mine who is a Democrat made roughly 38K in 2011. He just did his taxes and after his deductions he paid virtually zero federal income tax, he received a refund of over $4000. He asked why there is so much talk about the rich not paying enough taxes? He asked how is the system unfair if he paid almost nothing in federal income tax?
The whole Democrat stategy of making people think the tax system is unfair to the 99% is a pathetic joke.
I do wonder what Democrats think will be different when a guy like Mitt Romney pays 5-10% higher in taxes, do they really think that’s going to change their lives?? For this issue to generate so many headlines you would think it would actually have an impact on the 99%. Why do Democrats waste their time?
detritusUSA
January 26th, 2012
11:20 am
I don’t know who are more frightening, the idiots who brought this to court, or the idiots who comment here in support of it. The state song should be changed from Georgia on my mind to Georgia out of its mind!
jconservative
January 26th, 2012
11:20 am
“The theory is that you cannot be a natural-born citizen unless you were born here and BOTH parents were citizens.”
Jay, John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone not in the US, yet the Supreme Court ruled in his favor.
Remember everyone, the Constitution says what the Supreme Court says it says.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 26th, 2012
11:20 am
Be careful of what you wish for….President Joe Biden……Yikes.
Peadawg
January 26th, 2012
11:21 am
“Perhaps to illustrate the setting for the scene in the courtroom.”
Jay could have done that without bringing race into this. Just sayin…
Normal
January 26th, 2012
11:21 am
What I want to know is what kind of ‘merican name is Orly Taitz?
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:21 am
Birthers.
Peadawg
January 26th, 2012
11:21 am
“What a waste of taxpayers’ money and a complete farce!”
Amen!
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:22 am
jconservative,
I never heard that the Supreme Court took up any eligibility case for either candidate in 2008. Do you have a link to that?
ByteMe
January 26th, 2012
11:22 am
He asked how is the system unfair if he paid almost nothing in federal income tax?
Because there’s a sizeable contingent of millionaires who paid nothing as well because of loopholes written especially for millionaires.
Normal
January 26th, 2012
11:22 am
…now if she’d have been named Earl Tate…Then she’s me ‘merican….
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:23 am
jconservative,
I am pretty sure it was the Congress, not the Supreme Court.
And McCain was considered a NBC because his parents were U.S. Citizens.
ByteMe
January 26th, 2012
11:23 am
Jay could have done that without bringing race into this.
And here I thought he was doing ageism, not racism. And I still want him to check to make sure they were all “Americans”. Seems fitting.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 26th, 2012
11:24 am
RB — “I wasn’t aware Americans had the option of ignoring court subpoenas? I think I’ll try that approach too if ever needed since the precedent has been set.”
Indeed, and Karl Rove was the one who set it.
JOE Cool
January 26th, 2012
11:25 am
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:23 am
Is Marco Rubio a NBC in your eyes?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:25 am
No Jane there was not a Supreme Court case in 2008 on the issue. Jcon is slightly wrong. The Constitution is interpreted by the entire judicial branch, however the Supreme Court is the ultimate decided. However you are aware that we have had Presidents who’s parents where not born in the US before? And Mitt’s father was born in Mexico, is Mitt natural born?
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:26 am
“But I’m sad to say, I’m on my way
Won’t be back for many a day
My heart is down, my head is turning around
I had to leave a little girl in Kingston town”
–Thomas Jefferson
Jason
January 26th, 2012
11:26 am
I saw the proceedings online. The testimonies were kept to a minimum. Perhaps much more evidence were submitted in writing. The Judge, in a few instances, intervened to speed along the witnesses and asked why evidence was relevant. Orly Taitz called herself as a witness at one point to tell of evidence she discovered personally.
Of course all this has political overtones and one wonders if the Judges and Politicians involved can truly separate themselves and rule according to law and nothing but the law.
Paulo977
January 26th, 2012
11:26 am
Oh GEORGIA GEORGIA how can you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec6nFs3kRZQ
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:27 am
And McCain was considered a NBC because his parents were U.S. Citizens.
Got a case to support that Jane? Or just your hope that that is how natural born is interpreted?
JOE Cool
January 26th, 2012
11:27 am
“Jay could have done that without bringing race into this.”
He was just painting the scene for us, since we arent there.
JF McNamara
January 26th, 2012
11:27 am
The wild thing about it is that Orly is a Russian by birth, and migrated to Israel for college. She didn’t even become American (or live in America) until she married and moved here in 1987. Obama is more American than she is by any standard.
larry
January 26th, 2012
11:27 am
Is Ms. Taitz in this country legally ?
And i might add, this is making our Secretary of State look pretty damn foolish.
Maybe he should be recalled for letting this get as far as he did.
ByteMe
January 26th, 2012
11:27 am
Cool! Birther chart!
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/BIRTHER%20CASE%20LIST.pdf
Ragnar Danneskjöld
January 26th, 2012
11:27 am
Only leftists care what the birthers are saying. I suppose, similarly, only conservatives worry about what crazed leftists (e.g., environmentalists, pro-abortionists, anti-military kooks) say.
Peadawg
January 26th, 2012
11:29 am
“He was just painting the scene for us, since we arent there.”
Ohh ok
.
“I wasn’t aware Americans had the option of ignoring court subpoenas?”
Yeah I’m wondering the same thing on this one.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 26th, 2012
11:29 am
Really? — “Hey OBOTS… ask yourself this….. “How would I react if this were Bush on trial instead of Obama?” There’s your answer…. you would hit the roof!”
Bush and his staff repeatedly refused to answer questions, to respond to subpoenas or to be placed under oath, and you and your ideological compatriots cheered him on.
So you can suck on it now.
Soothsayer
January 26th, 2012
11:30 am
Better to be thought of as a bunch of backwoods, bumpkin rubes than to have a trial like this and remove all doubt!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:30 am
Only leftists care what the birthers are saying
Yes thats it Raggy…… Because leftists filed this complaint.
And I bet Scout will launch something in your direction for calling him a leftist.
Drive By
January 26th, 2012
11:31 am
Mike in Woodstock, your friend did pay income taxes. He got a refund because he had overpaid $4000 from withholding income tax from his paycheck. Just because one gets a refund doesn’t necessarily mean one did not pay taxes.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:31 am
Yeah I’m wondering the same thing on this one.
Asked and answered.
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:32 am
Yeah I’m wondering the same thing on this one.
You wouldn’t be wondering if you had read the comments here.
Just sayin’.
mm
January 26th, 2012
11:32 am
“Amazing how many look the other way but if this were a Republican, this would be on every channel live and in every newspaper.
Sorry dude, dems aren’t stupid enough to keep making fools of themselves in court.
Hey OBOTS… ask yourself this…..
“How would I react if this were Bush on trial instead of Obama?” There’s your answer…. you would hit the roof! Who’s the racists now?
So all lefties are black? You really are stupid.
Normal
January 26th, 2012
11:33 am
Don’t worry about those old white guys…they are just a group Tea Party members waiting for their Social Security checks…
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 26th, 2012
11:33 am
“Better to be thought of as a bunch of backwoods, bumpkin rubes than to have a trial like this and remove all doubt!”
I think that ship sailed with the guy who had the 9/11 Conspiracy theory powerpoint presentation.
JOE Cool
January 26th, 2012
11:33 am
“He was just painting the scene for us, since we arent there.”
“Ohh ok”
Well, he could have said, “they are only 4 minorities in the courtroom and they are all staff or employees”
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:34 am
KeepUpTheGoodFight,
You mentioned Mitt’s father being born in Mexico. But he was a U.S. Citizen – otherwise, I don’t think he’d have been Governor of Michigan. Mr. Obama Sr. was never a U.S. Citizen.
The birther point is that an NBC has to have a U.S. Citizen for both parents. I don’t know the answer to this, but I do hope the Supreme Court does rule on it someday to clear it up.
There are other nit-picky legal issues, like Mr. Obama qualifying for aid as a foreign student. Some people suspect this as a reason he won’t release his college papers. His mother renamed him Soebarkah Soetoro when he was in Indonesia — there are just weird things.
This is all semantics, but some of the things look strange.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 26th, 2012
11:35 am
sooth,
I was just pulling your leg.
jewcowboy
January 26th, 2012
11:35 am
Mavis Rooster,
“Whenever someone doesn’t just automatically believe that the Emperor is well dressed all the mental midgets starts talking about how embarassing it is”
Yeah…the fact the State of HI produced both a certified electronic copy and the original birht certificate means nothing, huh?
jconservative
January 26th, 2012
11:36 am
Jane
See – supremecourt.gov
Three separate cases sent to the court and the court refused to hear the cases.
The last one was 8/16/2010 as follows:
“10A56
TAITZ, ORLY V. MACDONALD, THOMAS D., ET AL.
The application for stay addressed to Justice Alito and
referred to the Court is denied.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:37 am
Jane, again you are arguing the conclusion you desire. If the question is what does natural born mean, then sorry girl its all up for discussion and the nuances determined. Again, if you have a court decision, cite it.
Peadawg
January 26th, 2012
11:37 am
I didn’t see anything, kam and keep, explaining why Obama isn’t being treated as a regular citizen. Why doesn’t Obama have to follow the same set of rules as everyone else? Is it b/c he has the title of “President”?
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:37 am
“It’s no fun being an illegal alien, I tell ya
It’s no fun being an illegal alien, no no no no no
It’s no fun being an illegal alien, I mean it when I tell ya that
It’s no fun being an illegal alien,
An illegal alien, O.K.”
–Thomas Jefferson
Soothsayer
January 26th, 2012
11:37 am
“I think that ship sailed with the guy who had the 9/11 Conspiracy theory powerpoint presentation.”
Only if you believe that a single airplane can turn a 110-story, 80,000-ton office tower into powder.
Jimmy62
January 26th, 2012
11:38 am
I’m not a birther, but it does make one wonder. What if someone came up with incontrovertible proof that a sitting President wasn’t born in the US? Does everything he/she did become null and void? Is he immediately out of office? What if we then find out Senators knew? Do they go to jail? Does the government completely collapse?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 26th, 2012
11:39 am
I love the smell of wingnut in the morning.
USinUK
January 26th, 2012
11:39 am
““Whenever someone doesn’t just automatically believe that the Emperor is well dressed all the mental midgets starts talking about how embarassing it is””
yet, people still follow Orly Taitz … despite the fact she’s a nutty-nut-nut …
JOE Cool
January 26th, 2012
11:39 am
“like Mr. Obama qualifying for aid as a foreign student. Some people suspect this as a reason he won’t release his college papers. His mother renamed him Soebarkah Soetoro when he was in Indonesia — there are just weird things.”
WTF does any of this have to do with him being a NBC citizen? Not a dayum thing. You letting your conspiracy theorist show.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:39 am
And with a single lightbulb moment…. Jimmy stepped into the conspiracy net.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
January 26th, 2012
11:39 am
“Because there’s a sizeable contingent of millionaires who paid nothing as well because of loopholes written especially for millionaires.”
Oh, so you mean the people that pay nothing are mad about other people that paid nothing, and for the record, there is an extremely low amount of millionaires that paid no taxes so your information is incorrect. Classic case of worrying to much about other people, how about just worrying about yourself, getting angry at rich people won’t solve your problems.
But, getting mad at rich people is clearly the way Democrats have to get their votes so they need to push the class warfare hard to win an election.
Soothsayer
January 26th, 2012
11:39 am
Sooth out — got work to do. You know, work?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:40 am
Hmmm…. If you look at the amended complaint Orly asked for 6 hours for direct and 4 hours for cross. Jay could be there awhile.
WOODSTOCK MIKE
January 26th, 2012
11:41 am
Here’s the Democrat strategy to make our economy thrive…
Give absolutely no incentives to make money and be successful.
Adam
January 26th, 2012
11:41 am
Peadawg: I do not have an answer for you, but I would guess it does have a lot to do with the fact that he is the President. I think it’s generally understood that you can’t just subpoena the President for any little thing, apparently including war crimes. Seriously though, as the head of the executive branch, who would enforce the subpoenas?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 26th, 2012
11:41 am
Mik — “Classic case of worrying to much about other people”
I agree. Ms. Taitz really should have dropped this case a long time ago.
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:42 am
JOE Cool,
The point I was trying to make was asking whether he could legally be considered as a citizen of another country. There’s absolutely nothing conspiratorial about it.
From the NYT:
“In a paper written 20 years ago for the Yale Law Journal on the natural-born enigma, Jill Pryor, now a lawyer in Atlanta, said that any legal challenge to a presidential candidate born outside national boundaries would be “unpredictable and unsatisfactory.”
“If I were on the Supreme Court, I would decide for John McCain,” Ms. Pryor said in a recent interview. “But it is certainly not a frivolous issue.”
jim
January 26th, 2012
11:42 am
@Jimmy62 No. Congress would have to remove him from office by impeaching him, then Biden would become President. All spelled out in the constitution.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 26th, 2012
11:42 am
KUTGF — “If you look at the amended complaint Orly asked for 6 hours for direct and 4 hours for cross.”
Sometimes Google takes a little while to bring back the search results you want.
Butch Cassidy
January 26th, 2012
11:42 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE – “But, getting mad at rich people is clearly the way Democrats have to get their votes so they need to push the class warfare hard to win an election”
Newt Gingrich is a Democrat? Did I miss a memo?
USinUK
January 26th, 2012
11:42 am
“Ms. Taitz really should have dropped this case a long time ago”
two words:
meal
ticket.
Mick
January 26th, 2012
11:43 am
rb
Did you mind much when karl rove just turned his nose up at a congressional subpoena? Well, DID YOU????
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:43 am
Why doesn’t Obama have to follow the same set of rules as everyone else?
Geez…
It
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not
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COURT
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subpoena.
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It.
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is
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hearing
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agency
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rules
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apply.
USinUK
January 26th, 2012
11:44 am
“Newt Gingrich is a Democrat? Did I miss a memo?”
ewwww … no thanks … do not want!!
(our tent isn’t THAT big)
Adam
January 26th, 2012
11:44 am
WOODSTOCK: Here’s the Democrat strategy to make our economy thrive…
Give absolutely no incentives to make money and be successful.
You mean like giving them tax breaks that make it possible for them to earn more? Removing tax breaks that encourage jobs overseas? “No incentives” like that?
Drive By
January 26th, 2012
11:44 am
Jane @ 11:34
From Wiki:
The Congressional Research Service has stated that the weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion indicates that the term means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship “at birth” or “by birth,” including any child born “in” the United States (other than to foreign diplomats serving their country), the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parent who has met U.S. residency requirements.[1]
Mom’s a U.S. citizen, so according to current rules, President Obama is a natural-born citizen, regardless of his birthplace.
I’m finding it hard to believe this issue is still alive.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:45 am
USinUK… You’re right….and an extended 15 minutes. But she can get money on the lecture circuit…
Joe Mama, that must be it.
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:45 am
Keep Up the Good Fight,
I don’t have a court decision, but I would like to see one. As a lawyer wrote in the NYT, “this is not a frivolous issue.”
I think it would be a good idea to clarify this issue for the American people. We like to be considered a nation of laws.
ByteMe
January 26th, 2012
11:46 am
I’m finding it hard to believe this issue is still alive.
If it weren’t for the Internet, we wouldn’t realize how many people around us are really bug-fcking crazy.
Adam
January 26th, 2012
11:46 am
Obama is just another lying thug…. YES I SAID IT… so so HOLDER… nothing but lying THUGS… tell me where I am wrong…
You are wrong in all of that.
Hey, you asked.
Butch Cassidy
January 26th, 2012
11:46 am
USinUK – “Newt Gingrich is a Democrat? Did I miss a memo?”
ewwww … no thanks … do not want!!”
Hey, talk to WOODSTOCK. He’s the one who just paraphrased Newts strategy against Mitt.
getalife
January 26th, 2012
11:46 am
Our President scolded jindal and brewer for disrespecting the President and deal is next.
USinUK
January 26th, 2012
11:46 am
“Give absolutely no incentives to make money and be successful.”
the stupid is strong with this one.
Jay
January 26th, 2012
11:47 am
The hearing has ended with closing arguments by Taitz. No rulings issued, no notice of when a decision or other action might be taken.
Adam
January 26th, 2012
11:47 am
Jane: We like to be considered a nation of laws.
Not all of us. Fundamentalist Libertarians want to eliminate practically all law.
Butch Cassidy
January 26th, 2012
11:48 am
Drive By – “Mom’s a U.S. citizen, so according to current rules, President Obama is a natural-born citizen, regardless of his birthplace.
I’m finding it hard to believe this issue is still alive.”
Maybe the birthers aren’t aware that Hawaii is also a state even though it’s not attached to the Mainland. But then again, no one accused Sara Palin of being Canadian simply because Alaska borders the provinces.
mm
January 26th, 2012
11:48 am
Jane,
You have removed all doubt. Fool.
jewcowboy
January 26th, 2012
11:48 am
“What if someone came up with incontrovertible proof that a sitting President wasn’t born in the US?”
Mental masturbation.
onpatroll
January 26th, 2012
11:48 am
So a natural born citizen needs both parents to be US citizens and yet I screamed anchor babies when I didn’t have too since neither parent is a US citizen. I am so confused now. I hope Newt sorts this out.
Bill Orvis White
January 26th, 2012
11:48 am
I thought I was on Dr. Taitz’s witness list. I would have jumped into the 150 and attended this important Hearing. I’m thrilled that there are a few patriots left who are willing to go against the grain to stand up for what’s right. I pray that the outcome of today’s session will make it compulsory for this installed-”president” to appear before these patriots and attempt to answer their solid, common-sense, tough questions.
Amen,
Bill
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:49 am
Give absolutely no incentives to make money and be successful.
Then why don’t you just “go Galt”?
JOE Cool
January 26th, 2012
11:50 am
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:42 am
Bottom Line Jane….If you born in America, you’re a citizen as it always has been for 100s of years.
Bill O'Rights
January 26th, 2012
11:50 am
Jay,
Rather than providing us with slanted commentary, concerning Ms. Taitz’ unprofessional behavior, could you please provide some objective feedback, with regard to the content of the testimony?
I myself downloaded the birth certificate off the white house website and extracted data from the .pdf, using a simple Python script. Furthermore, I also confirm that the .pdf was generated on a Mac and contains six layers which, as far as I am aware, would be impossible unless the image had been ‘Photoshopped’. In fact, all one has to do is zoom in on the image to see the distorted pixels underneath the central portion of the image.
I’m not saying that Obama is not a citizen, I’m saying that the .pdf has been doctored with almost absolute certainty. And that, in my mind, warrants investigation. Do you not agree?
Why are you so vehemently against setting the record straight, when credible doubt exists?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 26th, 2012
11:50 am
Really? — “OBOTS in denial are the same ones wanting to know every sex partner of ever Republican candidate”
We don’t *want* to know. It’s just that all their illicit sex partners seem to come forward and TELL us about it.
“yet choose to ignore Larry Sinclair…”
Hey, when you’ve got something more than a whispering campaign from a discredited and proven liar, bring it on. But Sinclair is not credible just because you *want* to believe what he says.
“Obama is just another lying thug…. YES I SAID IT… so so HOLDER… nothing but lying THUGS… tell me where I am wrong…. OBOTS….”
I love it when they get so worked up that they can’t even type complete and proper sentences.
“What is that a brown ring around your lips??? Been kissing much behind lately?”
Your meltdown is complete. Thanks for playing! (laughing, pointing)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 26th, 2012
11:52 am
I think Bill was in the room…. just trying to throw Jay off his trail.
Adam
January 26th, 2012
11:52 am
Why are you so vehemently against setting the record straight, when credible doubt exists?
THERE IS NO CREDIBLE DOUBT
getalife
January 26th, 2012
11:53 am
Thanks for the much needed laugh Bill.
Keep em coming.
Thanks Bill.
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:53 am
Tick…tick…tick….
Joe Hussein Mama
January 26th, 2012
11:53 am
B. O’Rights — “Why are you so vehemently against setting the record straight, when credible doubt exists?”
When y’all start showing some concern about issues like senior government officials outing CIA agents during a shooting war, then we can talk about some concern being shown to your issues.
John
January 26th, 2012
11:53 am
So, what was the outcome of the hearing? What was Judge Malihi’s decision?
getalife
January 26th, 2012
11:54 am
Really?
Get lost.
Really.
jewcowboy
January 26th, 2012
11:54 am
“Why are you so vehemently against setting the record straight, when credible doubt exists?”
Because it doesn’t exist except in the minds of those who lean towards conspiracy theories and tin foil hats.
JOE Cool
January 26th, 2012
11:54 am
“I think it would be a good idea to clarify this issue for the American people. We like to be considered a nation of laws.”
So that means we are gonna say that all the people who were ever born in America on US Soil, but parents are NOT or Were NOT citizens, those people are Illegals?
Butch Cassidy
January 26th, 2012
11:54 am
Bill O Rights – “Why are you so vehemently against setting the record straight, when credible doubt exists?”
Absolutely right! Quick Bill, you need to contact the GOP, RNC, FBI, CIA, Secret Service and INTERPOL and let them know that you’ve cracked the code! My God, it’s all so painfully simple, how could anyone have missed it? Wow, you’re just like Jeff Goldblum in Independence Day!
ByteMe
January 26th, 2012
11:55 am
I’m not saying that Obama is not a citizen, I’m saying that the .pdf has been doctored with almost absolute certainty. And that, in my mind, warrants investigation. Do you not agree?
Nope.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding
Joe The Plumber too.
January 26th, 2012
11:55 am
@ really: you are way out of line.
getalife
January 26th, 2012
11:55 am
John,
The stuff in blue is Jay’s report:
“The hearing has ended with closing arguments by Taitz. No rulings issued, no notice of when a decision or other action might be taken.”
Kamchak
January 26th, 2012
11:55 am
You too can have a Kenyan birth certificate!
http://whitenoiseinsanity.com/2009/08/05/generate-kenyan-birth-certificate/
barking frog
January 26th, 2012
11:55 am
jcb, mental masturbation, is that stroking your own ego?
Jane
January 26th, 2012
11:56 am
DriveBy @11:44
That was a good article, published in November 2011, so it’s a fairly new official source.
I don’t think that Obama has any foreign influences like the original framers were concerned about, which is why I also think it’s a fairly technical point for us today.The article states that “there is no Supreme Court case which has ruled specifically on the presidential eligibility requirements (although several cases have addressed the term natural born citizen), and this clause has been the subject of several legal and historical treatises over the years, as well as more recent litigation.”
All I am saying is that a ruling would be beneficial. I don’t know why that makes me a “fool” as per commenter mm, when smarter people than I who have written scholarly articles have said it’s not a frivolous issue.
The Elected One
January 26th, 2012
11:57 am
In the United States government, executive privilege is the power claimed by the President of the United States and other members of the executive branch to resist certain subpoenas and other interventions by the legislative and judicial branches of government. The concept of executive privilege is not mentioned explicitly in the United States Constitution, but the Supreme Court of the United States ruled it to be an element of the separation of powers doctrine, and/or derived from the supremacy of executive branch in its own area of Constitutional activity.