Our ‘Marxist in chief’ and the state of our union
Let’s be honest: There is no discernible difference between those who insist that Barack Obama is disqualified by birth from serving as president and those who claim that he is a Marxist or socialist. Both are equally absurd.
Neither group has any factual ground on which to base its inane charges; in their rhetoric, both groups tell us far more about their own internal psychology than they do about the president.
Consider, for example, this portion of last night’s State of the Union address from our “Marxist in Chief”:
First, if you’re a business that wants to outsource jobs, you shouldn’t get a tax deduction for doing it. That money should be used to cover moving expenses for companies like Master Lock that decide to bring jobs home.
Second, no American company should be able to avoid paying its fair share of taxes by moving jobs and profits overseas. From now on, every multinational company should have to pay a basic minimum tax. And every penny should go towards lowering taxes for companies that choose to stay here and hire here in America.
Third, if you’re an American manufacturer, you should get a bigger tax cut. If you’re a high-tech manufacturer, we should double the tax deduction you get for making your products here. And if you want to relocate in a community that was hit hard when a factory left town, you should get help financing a new plant, equipment, or training for new workers.
There were other steps announced as well: “a Trade Enforcement Unit that will be charged with investigating unfair trading practices in countries like China;” a “Financial Crimes Unit” of highly trained investigators to crack down on large-scale fraud; a new education initiative aimed at improving work skills among 2 million Americans; a policy that will reduce federal funding to colleges that allow tuition to rise too quickly, putting them out of reach for many in the middle class.
And then of course there’s this:
“As I told the Speaker this summer, I’m prepared to make more reforms that rein in the long-term costs of Medicare and Medicaid, and strengthen Social Security, so long as those programs remain a guarantee of security for seniors.
But in return, we need to change our tax code so that people like me, and an awful lot of members of Congress, pay our fair share of taxes.
Tax reform should follow the Buffett Rule. If you make more than $1 million a year, you should not pay less than 30 percent in taxes. And my Republican friend Tom Coburn is right: Washington should stop subsidizing millionaires. In fact, if you’re earning a million dollars a year, you shouldn’t get special tax subsidies or deductions. On the other hand, if you make under $250,000 a year, like 98 percent of American families, your taxes shouldn’t go up. You’re the ones struggling with rising costs and stagnant wages. You’re the ones who need relief.
Now, you can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense.
We don’t begrudge financial success in this country. We admire it. When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it’s not because they envy the rich. It’s because they understand that when I get a tax break I don’t need and the country can’t afford, it either adds to the deficit, or somebody else has to make up the difference — like a senior on a fixed income, or a student trying to get through school, or a family trying to make ends meet.
That’s not right. Americans know that’s not right. They know that this generation’s success is only possible because past generations felt a responsibility to each other, and to the future of their country, and they know our way of life will only endure if we feel that same sense of shared responsibility.”
That last point is critically important. Those who oppose the president’s tax-reform policies condemn them as divisive and complain that he is pitting Americans against each other. But those complaints are born of a philosophy that rejects the concept of shared responsibility in the first place. That philosophy envisions each of us as separate and isolated units, without obligation to each other or the greater good. It assumes that we are stronger when each of us is selfishly pursuing our own goals without concern for each other or future generations.
I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that this country would have achieved all that it has achieved to date had that philosophy been allowed to determine public policy. As Obama suggested last night, that’s not how we got to where we are; it is not how to get to where we need to be.
If that makes Obama a Marxist, well, then I’m a Marxist too.
– Jay Bookman
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gadem
January 25th, 2012
8:15 am
firsties
Anger
January 25th, 2012
8:17 am
Roll over from previous post….
I wonder why Mitch McConnell and John McCain seemed so angry last night! Ole Mitch looked like he wanted to explode! I wish someone in the media could ask him does he still feel the same way about making President Obama a one term president or would he like to take those words back and focus on the economy instead? Boy was he pisssed last night!!!
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
8:19 am
I didn’t watch the speech last night, I never do. Obama didn’t do to well when the AJC did their Fact Checks on his speech. In fairness I bet the Republican response would have also set off the BS alarms but I don’t see where the AJC did a fact check on them.
gadem
January 25th, 2012
8:19 am
I call it fear mongering…a little of xenophobia mixed with racism. I believe those that are opposed to the position of the President or Democrats in general don’t believe in helping others. But helping others is the foundation of Christianity so I don’t know how they cope when they are opposed with the foundations of their faith…
HDB
January 25th, 2012
8:20 am
What Republicans persist in saying that Obama wants to raise taxes on the “job producers”; if lower taxes create jobs then here’s the question: Where are the jobs??
Guy Incognito
January 25th, 2012
8:24 am
Stop wussin around and seize the 1% assets. Enough already. You tigers cannot change your stripes
USinUK
January 25th, 2012
8:24 am
“Neither group has any factual ground on which to base its inane charges”
it goes beyond that – it has more to do with them clinging desperately to a word/words when they have absolutely NO idea what they mean.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
8:25 am
What a difference between a President who delivers a speech with hope and says we have things to fix and improve but we can do it verses a pipsqueak who starts off with be afraid and we are in grave danger nonsense and then talks about the additional debt placed on top of a debt we already could not afford [conveniently leaving how we got to that debt and why that additional money was spent].
But me, alas like Jay, I be a marxist, socialist, progressive, liberal or whatever label the nimrods of the conned want to use….because I am proud not to be CONNED.
gadem
January 25th, 2012
8:26 am
HDB, the jobs are coming…just wait on them. I mean the taxes have been low for what 10 years?
Union
January 25th, 2012
8:26 am
hmmm. what he left out was that a company should get a break if they expand if they do it in the us. but only HIS way.
USinUK
January 25th, 2012
8:26 am
“a little of xenophobia mixed with racism”
and, considering the woefully low % of Americans who travel outside their borders, they slam Europe without ever having been there / seeing it first hand …
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
8:26 am
“That philosophy envisions each of us as separate and isolated units, without obligation to each other or the greater good. It assumes that we are stronger when each of us is selfishly pursuing our own goals without concern for each other or future generations.
I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that this country would have achieved all that it has achieved to date had that philosophy been allowed to determine public policy.”
===================================
Thank you for saying it.
And, that is why our wise founders stated in the Preamble to the U. S. Constitution (which gave the intent underlying the forthcoming specific tenets) that the U. S. government was to “promote the general welfare” of our nation. The word “general” was/is significant.
True American
January 25th, 2012
8:28 am
Ok Mr. President great speech, now go to those areas where poor whites who are on food stamps and show them that the Mitts and the Newts of the rep party dont care anything about them.
His speech shows that he is living in the 21st century and the rep party are still caught up in the 20th Century, why would any body vote for Mitt who helped sent our jobs over seas but is waiving the American flag.
Stewart Day
January 25th, 2012
8:29 am
All I get from OBAMANOMICS is BIG GOVERNMENT FOR BiGGER GOVERNMENT. Any one ever recall what our country was actually founded on? Who wants the government involved in anything we do. Get out the way, lower all of our taxes, stop spending and entitling our citizens, stop make people pay for all this stuff, and stop regulating. Does anyone actually believe anything that originates in Washington DC ever produces the results they intend or work?
Mick
January 25th, 2012
8:29 am
Unfortunately jay, those on the other side do not hear the same words you do, they are stuck in their beliefs – no matter what they hear. Just peruse the comments from last night up to this point, they are in denial and their champions have no credible response, except the negative propaganda…
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
8:29 am
I’m a Marxist, you’re a Marxist, we’re all Marxists, YEAH!
Except the Republicans!
real john
January 25th, 2012
8:33 am
Jay:
Ok…so I will bite for a minute. Look at the part highlighted. He used one paragraph to talk about entitlement reform ““As I told the Speaker this summer, I’m prepared to make more reforms that rein in the long-term costs of Medicare and Medicaid, and strengthen Social Security, so long as those programs remain a guarantee of security for seniors. ”
Obama then used then next five paragraphs to talk about raising taxes and fairness. Which one do you think he really cares about????
When you used a 5-1 ratio to make your argument on something, I think we all know what he really wants…Higher taxes and no entitlement cuts.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
January 25th, 2012
8:33 am
Washington should stop subsidizing millionaires.
amen
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
8:34 am
Who wants the government involved in anything we do
This is from the same people who have no trouble with laws regulating marriage, people’s bodies and crying about what Obama needs to be doing about gas prices.
The disconnect is strong in these conned.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
8:34 am
“Anyone who tells you otherwise, anyone who tells you that America is in decline or that our influence has waned, doesn’t know what they’re talking about,” …
President Barack Obama
Normal
January 25th, 2012
8:34 am
The writing was on the wall when corporations became “people”. Money talks and big money talks the fastest. It is the little guy, the average American who is getting hurt by all of this. This is not the America I grew up with, or defended with a third of my life and bled for. A corporate America is just one step away from totalitarianism. Like it or not, that is what we are fighting against and the Republicans are fighting for. Thank the Great Spirit President Obama sees this is is willing to shine a great big spot light on it. Wake up folks or we are going to lose everything we know and love about our way of life. We need to take care of our own.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
January 25th, 2012
8:34 am
I’m a Leninist.
F. Sinkwich
January 25th, 2012
8:35 am
Poor Mary doesn’t know the difference between “promote” and “provide.”
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
8:35 am
There is no discernible difference between those who insist that Barack Obama is disqualified by birth from serving as president and those who claim that he is a Marxist or socialist. Both are equally absurd.
And both will wind up casting a vote for Mitt in the general, despite their protestations to the contrary. Just felt like rubbing that in.
mehlman rings twice
January 25th, 2012
8:35 am
I would like to congratulate our Special Forces for rescuing those Americans from those Somali pirates. It’s good that we have a President who doesn’t wait for his wife’s astrologer or Greek cruise demands to do his job. Other candidates for the job may get appalled at the timing that events occur but that’s part of the job.
Normal
January 25th, 2012
8:36 am
” I am proud not to be CONNED.”
AMEN! Keep, and well said!
Truth Man
January 25th, 2012
8:36 am
First President to have a social security number from a state in which he never lived.
First President to preside over a cut to the credit rating of the United States .
First President to violate the War Powers Act.
First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico .
First President to defy a Federal Judges court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
First President to spend a trillion dollars on shovel-ready jobs and later laughingly admit there was no such thing as shovel-ready jobs.
First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
First President to terminate Americas ability to put a man in space.
First President to encourage racial discrimination and intimidation at polling places.
First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
First President to arbitrarily declare an existing law unconstitutional and refuse to enforce it.
First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly speak-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state they are allowed to locate a factory.
First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN)
First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
First President to appoint 45 Czars to replace elected officials in his office.
First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office.
First President to hide his medical, educational and travel records.
First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to earn it.
First President to coddle American enemies while alienating long-time Americas allies.
First President to publicly bow to Americas enemies while refusing to salute the U.S. Flag.
First President to go on multiple global apology tours.
First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends, paid for by the taxpayer.
First President to refuse to wear the U.S. Flag lapel pin.
First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000.00 a year at taxpayer expense.
carlosgvv
January 25th, 2012
8:37 am
Jay, you’re being too nice to these people. The truth is they have little or no understanding of what Marxism or Socialism is. They only thing they accomplish by these posts is a display of their profound ignorance. As for their insistance that he is disqualified by birth, this is nothing more than a very thin disguise for their racism.
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
8:37 am
Any one ever recall what our country was actually founded on?
I know, I know! Once upon a time, a whole bunch of disenfranchised people with no social skills set off from the MudderLand in their own individualized rowboats and rowed for forty days and nights until they reached their new world where they each individually went out and hunted bear and made their own clothes and procreated all alone because they believed in their individuality and they did not need any help from anyone for anything and they lived happily ever after.
AmVet - Like most decent Americans, I'm a Marxist.
January 25th, 2012
8:37 am
Great article, Jay.
Given the political realities in Washington and the LONG history of the modern US Congress doing virtually nothing to help the average middle class American family, chances are exceedingly good that Obama’s words will, in most cases, remain just that.
But if even some of these changes are made, that is very good for America.
That he at least has the moral courage to take principled stands is what separates him from those in the repugnant Reverse Robin Hood Party and their neer-do-well, slogan-ladened enablers…
Out By The Pond
January 25th, 2012
8:37 am
A good Republican will never ever let facts influence their decision, end of discussion.
Joe The Plumber too.
January 25th, 2012
8:37 am
Even the AJC exposes his half truths. urkle couldn’t be truthful to the American people if his job depended on it….oh wait it does. barry and me-shell better start packing, eviction day is coming.
Gordon
January 25th, 2012
8:37 am
Kyle Wingfield said it well:
“Witness President Obama’s 2012 budget proposal, which assumed taxes would go up as he desired starting in 2013 — and yet, for the rest of his presidency, would not have cut the budget deficit even to 3 percent of gross domestic product. His budget deficits after raising taxes would have remained higher as a share of GDP than George W. Bush’s average budget deficit from the time he cut taxes until the housing bubble burst.”
We need a major restructering of our entitlement system, as well as major cuts in defense. Raising taxes makes great political hay, which is all this president can do, but doesn’t come close to solving our fiscal problems.
I don’t reject shared responsibility. I reject outrageous out-of-control government spending which has proven for decades that it doesn’t solve problems. I’m tired of throwing our money down a rat hole and stealing our children’s future.
This is all election year jibberish, entirely predictable, and as usual avoids the hard decisions that a real leader would make.
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
8:39 am
“without obligation to each other or the greater good. It assumes that we are stronger when each of us is selfishly pursuing our own goals without concern for each other or future generations.”
one can be “unselfish” without the power of the federal governemnt forcing them to be.
Normal
January 25th, 2012
8:39 am
President Obama WILL be our next President and it would be better for all concered to help him acheive his goals and become part of the solution instead of part of the problem. AMEN! (borrowed from Bill Orvis White)
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
8:40 am
EEK!
Material copied from the Freepers!
commoncents
January 25th, 2012
8:40 am
I had to turn it off immediately after turning it on… the first sentence we heard at my house was somthing like “Those evil banks are responsible for the thousands of people who were foreclosed on for not being able to pay their mortgage, so banks should be punished more.”
Where the hell did personal responsibilty go?? Vote Obama 2012, and you’ll never be forced to make bad decisions again!!
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
8:40 am
“Anyone who tells you otherwise, anyone who tells you that America is in decline or that our influence has waned, doesn’t know what they’re talking about,” …
President Barack Obama
I read in this blog constantly that the America is in decline, from both sides.
poison pen
January 25th, 2012
8:41 am
Jay, Obama keeps saying that ” WE ” need to change the tax code so people like him pay more taxes, Well then why in the hell doesn’t he get it changed, he is the President and he could have done it in his first year as President.
He has a problem with companies outsourcing jobs, well then why in the hell doesn’t he do something about it, he is the President, and Jay please don’t use the moronic term that the Republicans won’t let him, it’s about time that he took responsibility for our nation.
I see that Romney gave 15% of his income to charities while Obama gave 1% that should tell you something right there.
I haven’t posted on here for a long time becaause most people on this site are just to partisan and can’t be objective in their thoughts, starting with you.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
8:41 am
oops…typo…rats
Thug
January 25th, 2012
8:41 am
38th?
AmVet - Like most decent Americans, I'm a Marxist.
January 25th, 2012
8:41 am
Who wants the government involved in anything we do.
So tediously dull.
So juvenile.
So typical.
So sad…
Shawny
January 25th, 2012
8:42 am
He made many good points last night, some of which will not even stand in his own party, such as getting rid of bad teachers (unions will not accept), eliminating insider trading by congressmen (they will certainly not accept), opening up more offshore oil drilling (the environmentalists will not accept).
I was glad to hear him say many of the things he said. Unfortunately, we all know with the division in congress almost none of it will get done. He knows that too, which is why the speech with its repeated “…send me a bill…” requests wasn’t really a state of the union as it was a state of the re-election campaign.
Mr Sunshine
January 25th, 2012
8:42 am
Cmon Obama lovers…just travel to DC and kiss his butt, in person.
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
8:42 am
If Republicans do not want entitlements, then they should not accept them. — Warren Buffett
USinUK
January 25th, 2012
8:42 am
I’m a Groucho Marxist
barking frog
January 25th, 2012
8:42 am
I admire the President his good intentions but Warren Buffett is
not running for reelection. I don’t think anyone has ever won any
election running on raising taxes, even for the wealthy. For a
stump speech he should have left out the college makes you
legal part and concentrated more on boots on the border concerning
immigration. The alternative energy mission for the military
is an excellent idea with the vision of taking all military
installations off the grid both for security and R&D. The
President is doing a good job but that may not be enough.
Mick
January 25th, 2012
8:42 am
truth
More like lying man – every point refuted becausse of the absurdity, but hey believe in your claptrap, this is a free country even for fools…
F. Sinkwich
January 25th, 2012
8:43 am
“Anyone who tells you otherwise, anyone who tells you that America is in decline or that our influence has waned, doesn’t know what they’re talking about,” …
President Barack Obama
Granny believes our Marxist president rather than her lyin’ eyes.
USinUK
January 25th, 2012
8:43 am
Poison – last time I checked, the president was in the EXECUTIVE branch, not the LEGISLATIVE …
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
8:44 am
USinUK
mehlman rings twice
January 25th, 2012
8:44 am
By the way, Newt reminds of Georgia football in that he accomplishes something and then talks about it for the next 30 years. I like Alabama football which accomplishes something and then looks for ways to repeat it the next year.
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
8:44 am
if warren buffet wants to pay more taxes, then he should pay more taxes.— Ty Webb
Thug
January 25th, 2012
8:44 am
drats! 42nd
gm
January 25th, 2012
8:44 am
People who call President Obama socialist shows how stupid they are, CEOs are making record profits under this tough goverment requlations.
President Obama speech last night is what America is about, Rep debates are a joke filled with hate and they are tyring to paint a picture that America is dead.
President Obama showed who should lead this country, he makes Newt and Mitt look like amateur hour, the rep base can get all their tea party racist white base fired up but their are still many more Americans that believe in this country who are going to support this President.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
8:45 am
F.Sinkwich
You know as a DNC plant I have the power to have you removed to the gulag.
You are being watched.
Shawny
January 25th, 2012
8:46 am
Interesting. Soon after I post that it was a state of the campaign speech, I came across:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/25/us/politics/state-of-the-union-more-like-state-of-the-campaign.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha23
…ditto
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
8:46 am
The I haven’t posted on here for a long time becaause… card has now been played.
Bruno
January 25th, 2012
8:46 am
Unfortunately jay, those on the other side do not hear the same words you do, they are stuck in their beliefs – no matter what they hear.
Mick, so true.
And if you, Jay, or any of the other Libs here had an ounce of honesty, you would admit that you do the same. But, no, you guys have talked yourseves into believing that somehow liberals are the only ones who can “see things as they are”.
The bottom line is that this country was built by people who believe in self-reliance. It wasn’t built by people on welfare.
Thug
January 25th, 2012
8:47 am
ditto Mick…just like you
commoncents
January 25th, 2012
8:48 am
Taxpayer 8:42: “If Republicans do not want entitlements, then they should not accept them. — Warren Buffett”
I believe Buffett accepted those same entitlements. He is the one using every law on the books to shelter his money and pay very little taxes (all legally, of course) then complain that he doesn’t pay enough taxes
Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
8:48 am
It finally ocurred to me what bothers me about Obama. He has all of these ideas but no clue as to how to get them to fruition. He is great for an idea “sound byte” but nothing really gets done. So he wants to create 3 more federal agencies, FORCE children to stay in school until they are until 18, force states to chip in and spend for his ideas on education, etc. So basically, more deficit spending on the government level, and more spending on the state level. More tax revenues needed from state and local government. All of this without mentioning Social Security and Medicare shortages, without producing a BUDGET!
Quagmire
January 25th, 2012
8:48 am
Good Morning Jay,
Great speech last night, I agree with Mick 100%. People will have selective hearing. It’s obvious that the right side of the isle will do nothing to help the American people unless it benefits the top 10%. Translation, nothing to help the American people. Hint, the Oil pipeline is not the only solution to help create jobs. It was funny to hear how republicans say that President Obama is dividing Americans. Look at any of the GoP debates, you will see an already divided nation.
PS…….Great Job to 2-Term President Barak Obama for taking care of the pirates and freeing the hostages. Please gop, debated with President Obama on foreign policy
poison pen
January 25th, 2012
8:49 am
Usin, He is still the leader and he needs to lead, regardless of the branch. You know this as does everyone else.
C’mon you can do better than that.
Whatever
January 25th, 2012
8:49 am
Look how stingy that terrible Romney is. Obama is so generous. We all need to be more like Obama.
——————-
“Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.
The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.
Romney charitable contributions
Tax year Taxable income Charitable donations Donations as % of income
2010 $21.7 million $2.98 million 13.73%
2011 (est) $20.9 million $4 million 19.14%”
—————–
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
8:50 am
Buffett uses the laws to minimize his taxes. Well there’s a shocker. If only everyone used the law like that, the Caymans would be a deserted islands paradise.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
8:50 am
“Poison – last time I checked, the president was in the EXECUTIVE branch, not the LEGISLATIVE …”
That is a classic example of distorting reality. Obama is the leader of the Democratic party and should be helping and advising his Democratic colleagues in getting some Legislation passed.
I
F. Sinkwich
January 25th, 2012
8:51 am
“You know as a DNC plant I have the power to have you removed to the gulag.”
You’re still mad that I outed you, Granny?
Georgia Voter
January 25th, 2012
8:51 am
I know that I am off topic on this one but I just read another article in the AJC and it seems as if our Georgia legislators do not like the idea of “Ethics Reform”. Shame on them!! Jay, is there any way that this can be pushed by the voters or is there some type of process that the voters can bypass the legislators and get the ethics reform question on a statewide ballot?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
8:51 am
And if you, Jay, or any of the other Libs here had an ounce of honesty
Bruno, let’s be honest….your “truthiness” is relevant as proven the other day when you were unable to be honest.
This country was not built on welfare and is NOT currently supported by welfare. And it was NOT built on self-reliance. It was built on the backs of people who worked together in a spirit of community and cooperation…the railroads, the infrastructure, the factories and more. The self-reliance claim is absolute nonsense as is your welfare dog whistle.
USinUK
January 25th, 2012
8:51 am
Poison – “He is still the leader and he needs to lead, regardless of the branch”
he is a leader, yes … he is NOT a dictator … he can’t just do something because he wants it done – that’s not how the country is set up … and you know that.
poison pen
January 25th, 2012
8:51 am
Have a good day everyone, I’m out for another 3/6 months. I just couldn’t help myself this morning.
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2012
8:51 am
Nothing but grandiose ideas given in a campaign speech at the expense of the American electorate. Where were these grandiose ideas three years ago? Where was all of this tax reduction for business in 2009?. Now it’s election time and the threat is imminent. Gotta do something to convince America that they ought to give me a second term. Too little to late, Bozo. Bye, Bye…….
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
8:52 am
How many tax cuts does it take to pay off a 15 trillion dollar debt?
Scooter
January 25th, 2012
8:52 am
He’s trying to strengthen union’s ability to form and his National Labor Relations Board has shown there willingness strong-arm businesses.
I think that certainly has an impact on business decisions.
Bruno
January 25th, 2012
8:52 am
I don’t reject shared responsibility. I reject outrageous out-of-control government spending which has proven for decades that it doesn’t solve problems. I’m tired of throwing our money down a rat hole and stealing our children’s future.
Nice try, Gordon, but apparently you didn’t read Jay’s definitions above. Either you go along hook, line and sinker with all that Obama wants, or you are “selfish” and are “without concern for each other or future generations.”
IMO, the most patriotic thing we can do is to get our country back on sound financial footing. Cheating future generations out of their earnings before they were even born is the ultimate selfishness in my book. So suck on that, Libs.
USinUK
January 25th, 2012
8:54 am
“How many tax cuts does it take to pay off a 15 trillion dollar debt?”
is that like “how many holes does it take to fill the Albert Hall”
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
8:54 am
JAY,
I don’t disagree with you to be sure but how is this rhetoric any different from all the other hot air he’s been blowing? I like this summary from the BEAST…
The State of the Union was a well-delivered pastiche of soaring words, vague goals, and modest initiatives. Howard Kurtz on why the president’s rhetoric is no longer enough.
You know as well as I that his speaking can’t replace lack of leadership…the core principle of leadership is to accept responsibility, get things done despite obstacles and take full responsibility instead of laying blame to get votes
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
8:55 am
F.Sinkwich
Oh heavens no….Not only am I a DNC plant, I’m also
Morgan Fairchild.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
8:55 am
F. Sinkwich @ 8:25
You would be wise – and prudent – to research and read thoroughly the Preamble to the U. S. Constitution before you make such false statements about me and about the word choice that our founders used in the Preamble to the U. S. Constitution. See below:
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“Preamble to the U. S. Constitution
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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Notice the words “promote the general welfare” – the words I used, correctly, in my 8:26 am post.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/preamble
Mick
January 25th, 2012
8:55 am
keep @ 8:51
Agreed. So go ahead bruno, go for newt or romney as is your right, just remember that this socialist/welfare garbage is at least as untruthful as anything you deem likewise…
Gordon
January 25th, 2012
8:56 am
@Ross Perot 8:48,
You hit the nail on the head. As long as it sounds good, that’s enough. The rest is details.
Tax increases don’t even begin to close the deficit gulf? Details.
Inflation adjusted education spending doubled in last 40 years with no results? Details.
Absolutely no plan on tens of trillions in unfunded entitlements? Details
It all sounds good, and that’s what matters. Get with the program, man!
stranger in a strange land
January 25th, 2012
8:57 am
truth man @ 0836 – you might also have mentioned that he will be first president to visit all 57 sates
poison pen
January 25th, 2012
8:57 am
USinUK
January 25th, 2012
8:51 am
Poison – “He is still the leader and he needs to lead, regardless of the branch”
” he is a leader, yes … he is NOT a dictator … he can’t just do something because he wants it done – that’s not how the country is set up … and you know that.”
Usin, He pushed obamacare thru against the will of the majority of people in this countryHe got involved with Libya without going to Congress for approval.
He appointed several people to key posts without going thru the normal & accepted process.
Is this a leader or a dictator, you be the judge.
Last one, I promise, and I keep my promises, we won’t even go into Obamas broken promises, and if you don’t know what they were then I feel sorry for you.
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
8:57 am
MICK,
Which of those Obama “first president to….” allegations are false?
Perhaps BO paid his own money for dog trainer at $102K I hope…He has certainly played the crony game the likes not being seen since his predecessor…Help me refute all these allegations please..
Bruno
January 25th, 2012
8:57 am
Great speech last night, I agree with Mick 100%. People will have selective hearing. It’s obvious that the right side of the isle will do nothing to help the American people unless it benefits the top 10%
Translation: Only the right side of the political aisle has selective hearing.
Good one, Quagmire.
There’s a reason Obama is the worst President in my lifetime. He believes his own BS so much that he sees no need to reach out to the Republicans, which is why little has gotten accomplished. For all of his faults, Bill Clinton was a smart politician who knew how to compromise. He and Newt got it done.
barking frog
January 25th, 2012
8:58 am
MaryE, General Welfare was promoted and served honorably
but has not gotten his medals yet.
Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
8:58 am
How many tax cuts does it take to pay off a 15 trillion dollar debt?
Its really tough to say when Ospender won’t put a price tag on his agenda and is too incompetent to produce a budget!
Thug
January 25th, 2012
8:58 am
like the boost
bankruptcy(moral)our way
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
8:59 am
well done. If I do everyone’s statements as well as you wrote this
dam good dawg
Jay
January 25th, 2012
8:59 am
the core principle of leadership is to accept responsibility, get things done despite obstacles and take full responsibility instead of laying blame to get votes.
And that’s exactly what he is doing. As he suggested last night, if Congress will not act, he will do everything within his power as executive to do what’s necessary. And for that the Republicans condemn him as a dictator.
In fact, judging from the comments there seem to be two dueling critiques on the right concerning Obama:
“If he were a real leader he would just go out and get things done”, contrasted with bitter complaints that “he’s a dictator who’s just going out and doing things on his own.”
Quagmire
January 25th, 2012
8:59 am
@Bruno – The bottom line is that this country was built by people who believe in self-reliance. It wasn’t built by people on welfare.
So Bruno, people with self-reliance built America, taking land for Native Americans, hundreds of years of free Slave labor, and Asian Americans building the railroads, Hispanic working in California. You’re right, it wasn’t welfare, because they didn’t get PAID, at least not the Slaves.
Bruno
January 25th, 2012
9:01 am
The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.
Whatever–Apparently you missed the post yesterday in which Welcome explained how private charity is self-serving and therefore worthless. Only government charity has the people’s best interests in mind.
Corey
January 25th, 2012
9:01 am
A little perspective, and you don’t have to take my word for it. Research it yourselves if you disagree. From 1982-1983 more than two years into Mr. Reagan’s first term the national unemployment rate was 10.1 per cent at the low end and peaked at 10.8 percent. For ten consecutive months lasting from Sept 1982 – June 1983 the national unemployment rate was in double digits. Conversely, when Mr. Carter left office the national unemployment rate was roughly 7.2 per cent. Under Mr. Obama we saw three consecutive months of double digit unemployment Oct-Dec 2009. Consider, we were in the greates worldwide economic downturn since the great depression. I’ll sit back a wait for the juvenile nonfactual rantings, peppered with Obozo or whatever, of the rabid right to fly.
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
9:02 am
JAY,
Will increasing taxes on the top 10% really close the “inequality gap” or is this just talking points?
Not sure how much money this will raise…let’s say the burden of this group goes from 73% to 85%…does this close this much cited political talking point? Granted, any increase is useful to put toward further debt reduction, wasteful spending on increased entitlements…will that simple act make those in the 90% stop will all the woe is me, “inequality gap” jive talking?
All u need is love
January 25th, 2012
9:03 am
I’m a Lennonist
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
9:04 am
Per our discussion from last night. Michelle Obama wasn’t wearing a dress from Target.
Didn’t see it live but it did look pretty in pictures.
Bruno
January 25th, 2012
9:04 am
So Bruno, people with self-reliance built America, taking land for Native Americans, hundreds of years of free Slave labor, and Asian Americans building the railroads, Hispanic working in California. You’re right, it wasn’t welfare, because they didn’t get PAID, at least not the Slaves.
You’re absolutely right, Quag. This is the absolute worst country in the world-that is until you look at every other country and realize our MO was little different from anywhere else.
If I were you , I would be ashamed to be an American.
Midori
January 25th, 2012
9:04 am
Mick,
I stopped at that social security card nonsense.
Those people are scary.
barking frog
January 25th, 2012
9:05 am
About those charitable deductions, I don’t consider it
charity when it’s deductible and I don’t care to participate
in the pet charities or religions of anyone by allowing
them to reduce their taxes by doing so.
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
9:06 am
JAY,
What happened to all his “suggestions”, hope et al during first term that would lead us to believe he can get anything done beyond the pale of the desires of his campaign bundlers? He can’t as you indicate, “do what’s necessary” being devoid of a spine and completely owned by the same folks who owned previous adminstrations…
I’m not a republican and don’t think he is a dictator to be clear. He is simply a dreamer with a better than average public speaking skillset. Heck, he sure is having fun with those drones some as those before him wouldn’t you agree?
gm
January 25th, 2012
9:06 am
Lets see who is in the 21st century and who is not, President Obama wants to train out of work people with tech training, Newt want to train them to be Janitors.
Has anyone during any of the rep debate ever hear Mitt or Newt mention equal pay for women? yet these submissive rep conservative women go out and support a womanizer and rich tycoon who has never spoke out or pass a bill for women, go figure these women
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
9:07 am
This is the absolute worst country in the world-that is until you look at every other country and realize our MO was little different from anywhere else
The sound of retreat from the American Exceptionalism and the self-reliance greatness nonsense……about face!
Bruno
January 25th, 2012
9:08 am
So he wants to create 3 more federal agencies, FORCE children to stay in school until they are until 18, force states to chip in and spend for his ideas on education, etc.
The bottom line, Ross Perot, is that Obama and the Libs know what’s best for us, and they’re completely ready and willing to save us from ourselves. Ameritopia, where no one has the cahnce to fail because we will make all your decisions for you. Yep, aparently we’re too dumb to negotiate our own mortgages, choose our own lightbulbs. Not to worry, Big Brother will take care of it all for us.
Midori
January 25th, 2012
9:08 am
Interesting. Soon after I post that it was a state of the campaign speech, I came across:
epic fail.
and did you feel that way about PREVIOUS presidents? or are you saying this is something you want to assign to Obama alone?
which is it Shawny?
and i’d like to know where you picked up that “state of the campaign” nonsense. it was repeated here last night and yesterday several times.
Did Rush throw you guys that bone? Or was it Boortz?
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
9:10 am
Corey,
You could change the names in your post and read every day here “It’s Bush’s fault”.
The fact of the matter is that each President doesn’t have a clean slate when they are elected, every President inherits some good and bad baggage.
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
9:10 am
Newt, you need to speak up. I can’t hear you from way back there! — Bill
Misty Fyed
January 25th, 2012
9:11 am
I’m glad Jay finally admitted it….He’s a Marxist too.
That said, It’s hard to disagree with the protection of American jobs. The Buffet rule isn’t bad either. I’d go one step further and simply do away with ALL deductions. Just let everyone pay the same rate no matter what you make. That way everyone, including the POOOOOOOOOOR are paying their FFFFAAAAIIIIIRRRR share.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
9:12 am
Gut Incognito@8:24 “Stop wussin around and seize the 1% assets. Enough already. You tigers cannot change your stripes”
Take their money, this already wins the most open and honest Liberal post of the month.
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:12 am
“Let’s be honest: There is no discernible difference between those who insist that Barack Obama is disqualified by birth from serving as president and those who claim that he is a Marxist or socialist. Both are equally absurd.
Neither group has any factual ground on which to base its inane charges; in their rhetoric, both groups tell us far more about their own internal psychology than they do about the president.”
Well, Jay, that’s what happens when people create their own reality an definitions. We see it here all the time.
You just have to understand what ‘socialism’ and ‘Marxism’ mean. First, ‘socialism’ invokes images of Europeans while ‘Marxism’ invokes images of the two-decades gone Soviet empire. Second, they’re used together for maximum effect – ‘’socialist Marxist.’ Third, they define it as ‘they want to control what I want to do. They think others should have the same chance of success I do, especially if I was born into a better station. They think I have a responsibility to give back to the country. They think if I’m really successful I should give back the same share as those who aren’t as successful. They think I should not be able to exploit the environment for my own gain. They think we should not pay for our allies’ defense needs. They think our servicemen and women should not be killed and maimed so I can waste as much energy as I want. They do not understand their place, which is to serve the interests of their betters.”
Leastwise, that’s what I infer from what I read here.
Richard
January 25th, 2012
9:13 am
You know what I heard in that speech? Spending, spending, and spending. No cuts, only increased taxes which may or may not bring increased revenue (and probably not enough to cover the new spending, much less reduce the deficit).
TaxPayer
January 25th, 2012
9:13 am
Citi is getting sued. A billion dollars! Fraud regarding their mortgages or something like that. Bad investment.
Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
9:16 am
Gordon?
Tax increases don’t even begin to close the deficit gulf? Details.
Inflation adjusted education spending doubled in last 40 years with no results? Details.
Absolutely no plan on tens of trillions in unfunded entitlements? Details
It all sounds good, and that’s what matters. Get with the program, man!
Have your President put a cost to all that he proposed last night and produce a budget so it can be reviewed as to how it pertains to reducing our national debt. Have him figure in at least 1 more downgrade during his next term in his budget. Or would you prefer to give him an open check book with no accountability? It worked real well for the Energy Department investments into companies like Solyndra.
mm
January 25th, 2012
9:16 am
Truth Man,
You are the first whiner to post a rightwing chain mail in it’s entirety on the blog today.
poison pen,
“Well then why in the hell doesn’t he get it changed, he is the President and he could have done it in his first year as President.”
That’s what is so amusing about you righties. You don’t even know which branch of the government is responsible for legislation.
Misty Fyed
January 25th, 2012
9:17 am
Be careful Ross Perot….If you stump them with common sense…They’ll call you names.
Gordon
January 25th, 2012
9:17 am
Jay,
BS to your 8:59 post. Obama had 2 years of a Congress controlled completely by Democrats. Why didn’t he do any of this then? He was too busy trying to expand government by forcing Healthcare down our throat (even then he just turned it over to Congress and didn’t get invovled in the details), and the American people gave their verdict on that in November 2010. When Clinton went from the same situation to a Congress completely controlled by Republicans, he negotiated and things got done. Obama takes positions he knows are not acceptable to Republicans, then trys to say “I’m doing all I can but these mean Republicans won’t do anything but protect the rich.”
He has shown ZERO leadership in the area of deficit reduction, because those decisions are hard. Sound bytes in a SOTU speech like “I’m prepared to make reductions….” don’t count, because they have no detail and never get to the point where there is an actual budget reduction.
He is nothing but a speech maker. I can’t believe all the people that fall for this over and over again. Do actual results matter to anyone?
Misty Fyed
January 25th, 2012
9:18 am
MM…
Amen….Every good liberal knows the judicial branch is responsible for legislation.
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:19 am
Did I just read we have a country in which we have compulsory primary school attendance laws and Republicans oppose specifying how long that primary school attendance should last?!!?
Talking Head
January 25th, 2012
9:19 am
I’ll be honest, I didn’t watch SOTU last night. I have seen clips and read some points. My impression is that he really focused on himself without setting a vision for the country or laying out specific plans (can you blame him in an election year?). Also I heard the reoccurring theme of equal outcomes, which is not what America is about. Equal opportunities yes, equal outcomes no.
Gordon
January 25th, 2012
9:20 am
Ross Perot,
You misunderstood my post. I completelly agree with you. When I said “Details”, I was trying to say “Those are just details, they don’t really matter.”
I’m sorry I didn’t express myself well enough.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
9:20 am
“He is simply a dreamer with a better than average public speaking skillset.”
======================================
Anyone who listened to the President’s speech last night, and who missed all of the realistic specifics that he laid out for creating more jobs (among other specifics), while still promoting the larger vision for our nation – as it was originally designed to be – has been unduly prejudiced.
Quagmire
January 25th, 2012
9:20 am
@Bruno – so stop making statements with broad brushes. I don’t have to sit on a pulpit and tell the world how much I love my country. Even when my Father and Uncles fought for their country(60’s & 70’s) and came back to the country they love and had to sit at the back of the bus, treated like a 2nd class citizens, called boy and the N-word so-called Christians, watched my cousin get lynched in Tennessee, could only buy homes close to landfills, given a 3rd tier education, just to name a few. I love my country but I will call it out when it’s in the wrong.
If anything, you should be ashamed of being a republican. All of this mess started on your watch….W……….NOT OURS!!!!
Now go get a quote from fatboy on the radio
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
9:20 am
“Obama had 2 years of a Congress controlled completely by Democrats.
Gordon
ah, nope.
Jay
January 25th, 2012
9:21 am
Which of the “first president who” list is wrong, Stevie Ray? I just glanced briefly at the list, but both of them I noticed were absurdly wrong:
First President to have a social security number from a state in which he never lived.
Social Security numbers are not assigned by states in the first place. This is tin-foil hat birther stuff, which tells you about the quality of every other charge to follow. The fact that it was posted by someone calling himself “Truthman” only makes it more ridiculous.
As Social Security itself says: “Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since…. One should not make too much of the “geographical code.” It is not meant to be any kind of useable geographical information. The numbering scheme was designed in 1936 (before computers) to make it easier for SSA to store the applications in our files in Baltimore since the files were organized by regions as well as alphabetically. It was really just a bookkeeping device for our own internal use and was never intended to be anything more than that.”
First president to ever violate the War Powers Act.
Oh please. It’s a poorly written, constitutionally questionable law that has been “tested” by almost every every president who has served since it was adopted. If Obama violated it, impeach him.
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:22 am
mm
“You are the first whiner to post a rightwing chain mail ”
Please, a little civility this morning, okay? It’s not ‘rightwing chain mail.”
It’s “the real true news and facts the liberal lamestream media tries to keep hidden from right-thinking Americans that exposes the illegitimate Marxist-socialist dictator in the White House.”
iRun
January 25th, 2012
9:23 am
@Whatever re %income to charity.
With a sample size of two, each with two time points, the only conclusion you can begin to draw is that the relationship between income and charity resembles an growth curve. Meaning that as your income rises, so does the % you give to charity but you reach a certain “saturation point” where growth slows or stops (flat).
You can’t really compare Romney vs Obama. They’re in waaaaaaaaay different socioeconomic classes. You would need to take a sample of people in each of those classes to make any real comparison.
Go Fish.
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
9:24 am
Jay,
if obama does get reelected, are your knee pads going to hold up for 4 more years?
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:24 am
Talking Head
That’s the impression disjointed clips can give.
If you’d like to read the speech, it’s here:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/24/full-text-of-president-barack-obamas-2012-state-of-the-union-address/
TBone
January 25th, 2012
9:24 am
Here’s the deal; profitable manufacturing will not be coming back to the US. The business environment has been made unprofitable by unions, regualtions and taxes. Any talk about establishing a sustainable manufacturing base is a lie. Apple went to China to produce the new iPhone because we could not do it in this country in a Steve Job’s timeline. So prepare for living in the third world USA as our teleprompter in chief promised us. He is most definitely fundamentally changing this country. Why do the political class elites always seem to get a pass when debating the economy that they have ALL contributed? They screw it up and then come to the rescue with more fixes. We are the dumbest nation on earth.
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2012
9:25 am
Separating the classes in our society and pitting one class against another….. being an ardent enemy of anything capitalistic or anything to do with a free market economy….. increasing the size of government more than any other recent president in our time…… supporting unions and their goals more than any other president in memory….. growing up with an avowed communist father and mother…. attending Muslim schools in Indonesia where I am sure that they have a lot of free market economy courses…… ignoring the Constitution when saying that he will “do what has to be done despite Congressional disapproval”……. If it walks like a duck, my friends, it probably is.
Gordon
January 25th, 2012
9:25 am
Granny,
It is very rare when one party has such a large majority in both houses of Congress as the Democrats did in 2009 and 2010. But even with that kind of advantage, you still make excuses for him and whine about Republican obstructionism, so I guess the whining now is completely understandable.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
9:26 am
ty@9:24
That really isn’t necessary. I don’t agree with many things Jay says but that is uncalled for.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
9:26 am
Bruno Yep, aparently we’re too dumb to negotiate our own mortgages, choose our own lightbulbs
Ahh yes some of the ultimate stupidity of the Republican response…… and absolute nonsense from the dishonest poster who starts “let’s be honest”. Bush set a standard for the output and energy usage of lightbulbs, American manufacturing determined how best to meet that and NO one’s choice has been limited. American’s remain free to choose the mortgage they want, however, the government will require that those lenders properly disclose certain information so that Americans can make informed free choices without deceptions, hidden fees and other tricks.
This is the great debate from the conned and those who are dishonest? Light bulbs?
Jay
January 25th, 2012
9:26 am
A real classy political discussion there, Ty.
Your mama would be so proud.
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
9:27 am
everybody knows he’s not a marxist, that’s just a code word
like uppity,
like kenyan,
like acorn
like community organizer
like man-child
(wink wink)
Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
9:28 am
No problem Gordon, still working on my second cup here,getting fired up for work! Oops I used the “W” word here…
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
9:29 am
I meant knee pads for praying at the “Alter of Obama”…sheesh people, get your minds out of the gutter.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
9:30 am
Gordon
I made excuses? Pardon me son…..You lied.
P E R S O N A L R E S P O N S I L I T Y
Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
9:30 am
Hey, did anyone else but me notice him performing the Clinton lip bite at least 3 or 4 times in the speech last night? It triggered something subliminal in me, i have the urge to stain a blue dress today…
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
9:31 am
ty
so it wasn’t a peverted sex joke it was a tawdry faith joke
yes, your mamma is shamed
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:32 am
Steve – USA 9:26
“Profanity is a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself.”
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
9:32 am
Oh and throw a B and an I in there….
Who put these keys so close together anyway?
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
9:33 am
Newt up 7-8 points over Romney in da F-L-A
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
gooooooooooooooooo Newt!
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
9:34 am
I agree, what people think about Obama tell us far more about their own internal psychology than they do about the president.
A man is literally what he thinks, his character being the complete sum of all his thoughts.
A man is literally what he thinks,
As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
Example, If you think a man is playing the race card, you might be a racist.
Jay
January 25th, 2012
9:34 am
And then you compound it with a lie, Ty.
joe
January 25th, 2012
9:34 am
He gave a great speech, but the same old same old talking points rhetoric has been done to death. He “says” he wants jobs, but rejected the pipeline. He says he wants to develop “all” forms of domestic energy, yet we cannot drill for oil in Alaska or the Dakotas that would lessen our dependence on foreign oil…and he sends taxpayer money to so-called “green” companies that fail miserably in a matter of months…then get bought out by foreign companies.
He continues to say the way out of HIS economic mess is more government and more spending. He never mentions we are mortgaging our children’s futures in the process.
He’s got to go…vote for the GOP nominee in November.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
9:35 am
Jay: The first 3 paragraphs of your last excerpt are words that were practically echoed by Mitch Daniels, only he pretended Obama said none of that, wanted social security and medicare to remain the same, and that only Republicans want tax reform.
These guys are disconnected from reality.
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:35 am
Morning, Granny Godzilla
er… I mean…. Morgan….
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
9:35 am
the woefully low % of Americans who travel outside their borders
point taken (and made, myself, oftimes in the past), UnU.
However, over the past ten years the US has made the passport procurement process a f—load more expensive than it used to be, AND they’ve required them for passage between the US and Canada/Mexico. So I don’t entirely fault ordinary Americans, when considering their vacation travel options, who elect to stay within the USA.
Thug
January 25th, 2012
9:36 am
Let’s see what Jimmy Carter on steroids looks like…
…all for it!
WOODSTOCK MIKE
January 25th, 2012
9:36 am
Why don’t Democrats give to charity??
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.
The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.
Wealthy Republicans consistently show that they are willing to give much more of their money to charities, this has been proven time and time again…
But I thought Democrats were all about giving to the less fortunate??
Watch the response to the comments above, Democrats will make something up about how Republicans are giving to charities just to help themselves?? Isn’t that a sad joke?
Donovan
January 25th, 2012
9:36 am
Last night’s speech was just more of the same. Government, government, and more government. Damn the rich, Congress is the fault, and I will do it “my way”.
Hugo Chavez couldn’t have said it better.
Thanks Jay, but we all knew he was a Marxist from day one. The country now knows it and that’s why it is in gridlock. The forth coming elections will dispense with this presidential experiment.
Gordon
January 25th, 2012
9:36 am
Adam,
What are the details of Obama’s plan to change social security and medicare? I know he is taking money out of Medicare to help pay for Obamacare, but I haven’t heard anything else. What is the plan?
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
January 25th, 2012
9:37 am
Ack!
Mel Gibson is at it again?
Scots Begin Bid for Vote on Independence
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/26/world/europe/scots-launch-bid-for-vote-on-independence.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
Where’s Edward Longshanks when you need him?
WOODSTOCK MIKE
January 25th, 2012
9:37 am
It’s interesting how the Romney tax returns are the focus right now of the Democratic party…
Don’t you fools know that Romeny paid exactly what he was supposed to pay? Don’t you fools know that wealthy Democrats are paying back the least amount of taxes they legally can get away with, just like Romney?
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
9:38 am
Paul
It could happen.
Talking Head
January 25th, 2012
9:39 am
joe @9:34,
couldn’t agree with you more
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
9:39 am
Bruno: “Whatever–Apparently you missed the post yesterday in which Welcome explained how private charity is self-serving and therefore worthless. Only government charity has the people’s best interests in mind.”
Absurd. That’s not what I said.
I said that the right wing campaign to collapse taxation into charity is an odious ideological distortion of reality.
0311/1811
January 25th, 2012
9:40 am
Part of being a true Marxist is being deceptive.
Obama doesn’t want equality of a starting point or a fair playing field ……….. he wants equality of outcome …….. which world history shows is always dangerous to freedom and true liberty.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
9:41 am
@Anger
January 25th, 2012
8:17 am
Roll over from previous post….
I wonder why Mitch McConnell and John McCain seemed so angry last night! Ole Mitch looked like he wanted to explode!
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The world got to see the demons in the crowd.
The look on McConnell’s face SAID IT ALL.
The look on McConnell’s face showed that the devil is loosing this battle against Obama.
Did anyone see the lights shining from above on the president?
It was angels encamping around him and protecting him from the demons and his enemies.
0311/1811
January 25th, 2012
9:41 am
Note that Franklin was never rich and considered himself a trandesman of the middle class:
“On the Laboring Poor” 1768 (The Gentleman’s Magazine)
“In the above essay Franklin chastised writers who stirred up the rabble by claiming that the poor were oppressed by the rich.
‘The condition of the poor in England was the best in Europe because in England there was legislation to help the poor. The legislators were men of fortune ……. they voluntarily subjected their own estates, and the estates of others, to a payment of a tax for the maintenance of the poor.’
These laws were compassionate. But he warned that they could have unintended consequences and promote laziness. ‘I fear the giving of mankind a dependence on anything for support in age or sickness, besides industry and frugality during youth and health, tends to flatter our natural indolence, to encourage idleness and prodigality, and thereby to promote and increase poverty,
the very evil it was intended to cure.’
Not only did he warn against welfare dependency, but he offered his own version of the trickle-down theory of economics.
‘The rich do not work for one another …. everything that they or their families use and consume is the produce of the laboring poor. Our laboring poor receive annually the whole of the clear revenues of the nation’.”
Benjamin Franklin by Walter Isaacson
Butch Cassidy
January 25th, 2012
9:41 am
kayaker 71 – “Nothing but grandiose ideas given in a campaign speech at the expense of the American electorate.”
I agree, but why bring Newt Gingrich in to the conversation?
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
9:42 am
WOODSTOCK MIKE
Did Romney pay any taxes in 2008?
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:42 am
Woodstock Mike
“Why don’t Democrats give to charity??”
Why don’t Republicans use current data?
stranger in a strange land
January 25th, 2012
9:45 am
mm @ 0917 to ross perot at 0916 – if no one else will, allow me:
ross – you are a) racist, b) a xenophobe c) a hater, d) intolerant.
Multiple choice – you pick.
godless heathen
January 25th, 2012
9:45 am
The arguments of the left here are:
1) The President can’t fix anything without Congress because the legislative branch makes the laws
2) The President has fixed everything he has touched despite not having a Congress that will work him.
3) The President will fix everything else despite not having a Congress that will work with him.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
9:45 am
@0311/1811
January 25th, 2012
9:40 am
Part of being a true Marxist is being deceptive.
Obama doesn’t want equality of a starting point or a fair playing field ……….. he wants equality of outcome …….. which world history shows is always dangerous to freedom and true liberty.
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Where in world history?
Give us your source.
If this is what you BELIEVE stand by it, don’t try to be “DECEPTIVE.”
Bob
January 25th, 2012
9:46 am
Jay, you just don’t understand. We true blooded Americans are for “sane” economic and defense policies. It is perfectly “sane” to eliminate almost every job in our country AND have big corporations get tax breaks for it because corporations are people too, according to Mitt Romney. It is also perfectly “sane” to project our military power in every little corner in the world while going broke in the process and ignoring the “narco terrorism” just next door.
Clearly anyone who disagrees with this “sane” economic policy must be a Marxist, like Barack Obama, and anyone who disagrees with the “sane” defense policy must be crazy, like Ron Paul. From the comments on this forum it seems to be that many people agree with me.
Oh, I’m also going to start a movement called “corporate suffrage”. Since Corporations are people too they deserve to be able to vote and clearly each corporation should get the same number of votes that any other group of people do. If you employee 300,000 people worldwide why shouldn’t they get 300,000 votes? Even better how about letting a corporation run for office? Wouldn’t be a wonder world if each seat of Congress and the President were being run by each individual corporation? I bet it would be interesting to see the Presidential Ballot in 2040. It would be a tough choice. Vote for Republican nominee AT&T/Comcast/Time Warner or the Democrat nominee GE/Hotpoint. I wouldn’t be able to decide! Both would be impressive candidates but both would’ve taken now major legal bribes..er…gifts from Monsanto/Archer Daniels Midland, IBM/HP/Dell/Intel, and Exxon/Texaco/Chevron/BP/Shell. The third party candidate GM/Ford/Chrysler/Toyota/Honda/Kia might take the states of US Steel and Consolidated Edison, formerly PA/WV/VA and New England & NY respectively.
Unfortunately for me I would not be able to vote in that election. I would be out of the country or dead by then…hopefully!
0311/1811
January 25th, 2012
9:46 am
By Joseph Curl
ANALYSIS/OPINION:
There is one person — one American among the 300 million of us — who is not to blame for the state of the union. Everyone else, each of you, in some small or large way, bears some share of the blame, but not this guy. Not one little bit.
This guy is Barack Obama. He is not the least bit to blame for the dismal state of the U.S. economy. George W. Bush is, for sure, and that evil Dick Cheney, oh, no doubt. House Speaker John A. Boehner — evil, too — is, of course, to blame. But guess what? So is Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, and every Democrat in the House and Senate.
Now, President Truman made it very clear: The buck stops with him. No passing the buck for that guy. But Mr. Obama blames everyone but himself. Mr. Bush, he says, left the nation in a ditch, a deep ditch, and he’s been digging out since he took office. And Congress? Those guys are just plain awful, he says. So mean. Wah, they won’t do anything I want done! Mr. Obama feels so sure about it that he’s basing his re-election campaign on bashing Capitol Hill.
But with the president delivering his State of the Union speech to Congress Tuesday night, let’s pause here to take as hard look at the real state of America, by the numbers, using only cold, hard facts.
The unemployment rate when Mr. Obama was elected was 6.8 percent; today it is 8.5 percent — at least that’s the official number. In reality, the Financial Times writes, “if the same number of people were seeking work today as in 2007, the jobless rate would be 11 percent.”
In addition, there are now fewer payroll jobs in America than there were in 2000 — 12 years ago — and now, 40 percent of those jobs are considered “low paying,” up 10 percent from when President Reagan took office. The number of self-employed has dropped 2 million to 14.5 million in just six years.
Regular gasoline per gallon cost $1.68 in January 2009. Today, it’s $3.39 — that’s a 102 percent increase in just three years. (By the way, if you’re keeping score at home, gas was $1.40 a gallon when George W. Bush took office in 2001, $1.68 when he left office — a 20 percent increase.)
Electricity bills have also skyrocketed, with households now paying a record $1,420 annually on average, up some $300.
Some 48 percent of all Americans — 146.4 million — are considered by the Census Bureau either as “low-income” or living in poverty, up 4 million from when Mr. Obama took office; 57 percent of all children in America now live in such homes.
Since December 2008, a month before Mr. Obama took office, food-stamp use has increased 46 percent. Total spending has more than doubled in just four years to a record high of $75 billion. In 2011, more than 46 million people — about one in seven Americans — got food stamps. That’s 14 million more than when Mr. Obama took office.
Median household income has dropped nearly 7 percent in the last six years, taking inflation into account. What’s more, nearly 20 percent of males age 25 to 34 now live with their parents.
Low- and middle-income Americans 65 and older now hold more than $10,000 in credit card debt, up 26 percent since 2005. The average age of the American car is 10 years; in 1990, it was 6.5 years old (by the way, in 1985, Americans bought 11 million cars; in 2009, less than half that, 5.4 million).
On the macro side, America’s annual budget has jumped to $3.8 trillion — and yet the United States brings in only about $2.1 trillion in revenue. The U.S. trade deficit for 2011 was $558 billion. America’s total public debt stands at $15.23 trillion; in January 2009, the debt was $10.62 trillion. Mr. Obama is on pace to borrow $6.2 trillion in just one term — more debt than was amassed by all presidents from Washington through Bill Clinton combined. The debt is rising by $4.2 billion every day — $175 million per hour, nearly $3 million per minute.
So, America, that is the State of Your Union. But remember, Mr. Obama had not one thing to do with it. So don’t blame him when you go to the polls. Blame everyone else, especially yourself.
Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
9:46 am
Romney was on Fox News explaing that prior to the earnings on the income on his tax statements from investments, it was already taxed once when he earned it AND then put it into his investments. Funny how that is never mentioned. I guess no one is used to a politician working to earn money, that it is all given to them through lobbyists and insider trading? I’m really starting to like Romney, he is a classy, articulate guy.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
9:47 am
(Repost)
Here’s what a desperate campaigner sounds like:
Tonight, we’ll also be treated to more divisive rhetoric from a desperate campaigner-in-chief. It’s shameful for a president to use the State of the Union to divide our nation. And someone ought to tell him: In order to put the economy back to work everyone needs to be working.
And this from a man whose tax returns show zero dollars in earned income from wages, from actual work, for last year.
Funny how that works.
0311/1811
January 25th, 2012
9:47 am
As A Man Thinketh So Is He :
It’s called Communism.
By the way, remember all of the “Hippie – Dippie” communes of the 60’s and 70’s ? How did that work out for you ?
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:48 am
godless heathen
“The arguments of the left here are:
1) The President can’t fix anything without Congress because the legislative branch makes the laws”
Did you miss the post at 9:59?
[[the core principle of leadership is to accept responsibility, get things done despite obstacles and take full responsibility instead of laying blame to get votes.
And that’s exactly what he is doing. As he suggested last night, if Congress will not act, he will do everything within his power as executive to do what’s necessary. And for that the Republicans condemn him as a dictator.
In fact, judging from the comments there seem to be two dueling critiques on the right concerning Obama:
“If he were a real leader he would just go out and get things done”, contrasted with bitter complaints that “he’s a dictator who’s just going out and doing things on his own.”]]
or is this just another case of making stuff up?
Tall
January 25th, 2012
9:49 am
…”Now, you can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense.”….
This is the best the President of the United States can do? You can ridicule the Republicans all day, but this was a speech by an incompetent amateur. He will lose in November.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
January 25th, 2012
9:49 am
(By the way, if you’re keeping score at home, gas was $1.40 a gallon when George W. Bush took office in 2001, $1.68 when he left office — a 20 percent increase.)
LOL, this guy conveniently leaves off the average price during the intervening years.
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:49 am
Scout
“Obama doesn’t want equality of a starting point or a fair playing field ……….. he wants equality of outcome ……..”
I trust you have a cite from Pres Obama from which you pulled that?
independent thinker
January 25th, 2012
9:49 am
Here is pure socialism from the high saint of the right wing conservatives – Saint Ronnie; He and the GOP passed EMTALA in 1986 that requires all hospitals to provide emergency room care to anyone who crawls in the door regardless of ability to pay or citezenship. Thus the rich and insured pay for the uninsured and illegals even of they are just suffering from a cold or the flu.It has bankrupted many hospitals. I have yet to hear anyone other than Gingrich ( in a previous moderate life) espouse a solution to this form of pure socialism. Of course Paul and the GOP audience when the question was asked at a debate for a fairer system said to kick the patients out on the street and let them rot. So who is the true socialist- Reagan or Obama?
Another unfunded mandate was passed by George W and creates communist style standardized education for the entire nation despite the restrictions on federalism and states rights to regulate education- No Child Left Behind and mandatory national testing and regulation of schools and teachers. Is this not Marxism?And it is an abyssmal failure.
I could go on about other unfunded mandates by the right that border on socialism and Marxism – but the Obama haters do not want to argue about reality and the GOP track record on socialism.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
9:49 am
or is this just another case of making stuff up?
rhetorical question?
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
9:49 am
Gordon@ 9:36
“What are the details of Obama’s plan to change social security and medicare? I know he is taking money out of Medicare to help pay for Obamacare, but I haven’t heard anything else. What is the plan?”
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What you are hearing is propaganda, by omission. Separate in your mind regular Medicare from Medicare Advantage. Medicare Advantage is a variation of Medicare, in which the government subsidizes private “for-profit” insurance companies to implement Medicare. The “money” Obama plans to “take out of Medicare” is, in large part, the governmental subsidies given to private health insurance to implement Medicare.
In other words, Obama will cut out the “middle man” delivery of Medicare and save money while continuing an excellent medical plan, i.e. regular Medicare, for seniors.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
January 25th, 2012
9:51 am
average gas prices by year:
http://zfacts.com/p/35.html
my look at those rising prices from 2000 to 2009. Goodness
Quagmire
January 25th, 2012
9:51 am
Why do Neo-Cons think the Pipeline is the only Job source creation the President can do? I forgot, Oil lobbyist is pushing for it. My bad
Ty – you never complained when Bush had you bent over for 8 years.
That’s right, cheney was hold a shotgun while he watched
Union
January 25th, 2012
9:52 am
we need to start teaching our children how to think “fairly” i propose that we start the process in middle and high school. simple process.. you take all of the students grades and average them out. if susie has an a average and bobby has a c.. then they both get a b.. thats only fair as susie studies more and turns in her homework on time.. while bobby has an xbox to play..
funny thing.. was doing a class on “personal fiscal responsibility” to a class of college students.. they were all about equality.. until it came to their grades.. oddly.. some students felt that if they worked hard for their grades they should be able to keep them..
Jefferson
January 25th, 2012
9:53 am
You can tell when the GOP is pushed into the corner, they squirm and squeal like fat little piglets the are and aspire to be.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
9:53 am
There’s a bit of a conservative crackup going on over at the Washington Post. It’s rather amusing to watch, must admit.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-legitimize-obamas-reelection-rhetoric/2012/01/19/gIQA5pB5BQ_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/romneys-time-to-rally-himself-against-gingrich/2012/01/23/gIQAy4FULQ_story.html?hpid=z3
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/conservatives-need-to-get-a-grip-and-pick-a-candidate/2012/01/24/gIQA5Dh5NQ_blog.html
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:53 am
Quatmire
“Why do Neo-Cons think the Pipeline is the only Job source creation the President can do?”
They don’t.
They just favor stimulus programs that cost $1,400,000 per job -
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
9:54 am
@gadem
January 25th, 2012
8:19 am
I call it fear mongering…a little of xenophobia mixed with racism. I believe those that are opposed to the position of the President or Democrats in general don’t believe in helping others. But helping others is the foundation of Christianity so I don’t know how they cope when they are opposed with the foundations of their faith…
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James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless.
Finn McCool (Class Warfare = Stopping Rich People from TAKING MORE of OUR MONEY)
January 25th, 2012
9:55 am
How many jobs will the pipeline add?
Among the list of jobs that would be created: 51 dancers and choreographers, 138 dentists, 176 dental hygienists, 100 librarians, 510 bread bakers, 448 clergy, 154 stenographers, 865 hairdressers, 136 manicurists, 110 shampooers, 65 farmers, and (our favorite) 1,714 bartenders.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/keystone-pipeline-jobs-claims-a-bipartisan-fumble/2011/12/13/gIQAwxFisO_blog.html
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
9:55 am
Finn
Great Link….that went into the “save” file.
Gordon
January 25th, 2012
9:55 am
Mary Elizabeth,
Thanks for trying, but neither you nor Adam have mentioned anything that Obama has proposed that will significantly alter the self destructive trajectory that entitlements (especially Medicare) are on. It was really a rhetorical question, because I know and you know that no such plan exists.
Butch Cassidy
January 25th, 2012
9:55 am
kayaker 71 – “Separating the classes in our society and pitting one class against another….. being an ardent enemy of anything capitalistic or anything to do with a free market economy”
True, but I still don’t understand why you keep bringing up Gingrich.
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
9:56 am
Quagmire,
I don’t think you knew me “when bush had me bent over for 8 years”…oh, and careful with the “profanity” and “peverse”(granny’s word, not mine) imagery, resident lefties, jay included, just may have a little poutrage left in reserve.
0311/1811
January 25th, 2012
9:56 am
Paul:
Do you think he would actually “admit” that? He wants to win in November ……….. and then he would go wild.
“If it walks like a …………………………….”
Got to run. Everyone be nice.
Jefferson
January 25th, 2012
9:58 am
The folks in Nebraska should have more of a say in the pipeline deal than business and money, they opposed the proposed route, that’s the deal, but if you want to be fooled you may.
Paul
January 25th, 2012
9:58 am
Scout 9:56
I was just headed out myself and I always like to leave laughing.
Thanks!
jconservative
January 25th, 2012
9:59 am
Nice speech to start off the Democrats portion of the 2012 election for the White House.
Nice speech because it clearly defined the Democratic agenda. The Republican agenda is being defined by each of the 4 remaining candidates. But the differences in the suggested solutions by each could not be more clearer. Totally different directions.
It would be wonderful if we could conduct the campaign just on the issues outlined in the Obama speech. That way the American voter by his vote could clearly indicate the direction he wanted the nation to take.
But I suspect that this will not be an agenda driven election. Like usual it will be driven by the many lies told about the opposition candidate.
Talking Head
January 25th, 2012
10:01 am
Obama needs to focus on creating an environment that is pro-entrepreneurial and pro-development who’s by product is jobs and wealth, rather than focusing so much on the rich paying their fair share. Focusing on the rich will do nothing to improve the state of the union, and the voters know this to be true.
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2012
10:01 am
Dividing the electorate into waring classes that resent each other is a favorite ploy of Marxist philosophy. The plight of the “unfortunate” is a rallying cry for those intent on taking over. If you can get enough people pissed off at each other, they forget that the one initiating this idiocy is incapable of doing much of anything constructive but, if given long enough, they forget that he is just an empty suit, fanning all of these fires for just one purpose….. to change the system. Nothing much constructive comes of this insane philosophy except to win elections or win over the populations of countries who don’t know any better. Look what it did for Germany, Spain, the USSR and numerous other countries throughout history. Most of them ended up in the tank…… not one to my memory survived the onslaught. Americans with half a brain realize this is taking place in our country and they don’t like it. Most do want to live in an Obama America. The majority resent his dismissal of our country as just another misguided Republic where 1% controls the other 99%. They don’t want government making decision about their health care or what kind of light bulbs they use….. they can make these decisions very well on their own. Most potential Marxists and their supporters are on a power trip, intent on changing the system to some kind of ideologic utopia where everyone is taken care of and we are all “equal”. They have all failed and their populations have paid a huge price in the end and taken generations to right the wrong.
Jefferson
January 25th, 2012
10:02 am
98% vs 2% is not class warfare, the GOP is just a catchy phrase outfit, no substance and it was their policies that caused most of the problems the country is recovering from.
Common Sense
January 25th, 2012
10:02 am
“When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it’s not because they envy the rich.”
I just love how Obama has elevated himself to the rich. Yet he is not rich because he has produced something of value. He is rich because he has ridden the government gravy train to a position where he can sell books and make speeches.
What was his income before he “won” his first uncontested position? What has his income done since that point?
Yeah, that’s what I thought. The President of the United States’ income has grown faster than anyone outside of professional sports.
Aquagirl
January 25th, 2012
10:03 am
funny thing.. was doing a class on “personal fiscal responsibility” to a class of college students…. some students felt that if they worked hard for their grades they should be able to keep them..
Was that the 1994 class, the 2002 class, or the 2009 class? Or are you going to admit you just read a forwarded e-mail and are lying?
Jay
January 25th, 2012
10:05 am
“Romney was on Fox News explaing that prior to the earnings on the income on his tax statements from investments, it was already taxed once when he earned it AND then put it into his investments. Funny how that is never mentioned.”
Ross, did he happen to mention that when he initially “earned” this income, it wasn’t taxed as earned income at the 28 or 35 or the then-top rate of 39.6 percent?
Did he happen to mention that it was taxed at a mere 15 percent because of a glaring loophole in the law that classifies the “earnings” of private-equity employees like a capital gain, which it most certainly is not?
Did he happen to mention any of that?
As was said last night, we need to “stop sending the wealthy benefits they do not need, and stop providing them so many tax preferences that distort our economy.” But then, that’s the kind of Marxist talk you expect to hear from Mitch Daniels, right?
Filter
January 25th, 2012
10:06 am
I am Malcolm X!
Filter
January 25th, 2012
10:06 am
Sorry. Got Confused.
I too am a Marxist.
Jack
January 25th, 2012
10:07 am
The tax rates are progressive on earned income: The more you make, the more you pay. The cap gains rate is available to anyone that has the ability to take advantage of it. The tax code is written by the Congress and enforced by the IRS. Some tax payers’ cap gain rate is zero, some pay10% and the cap is 15%. Obama wants the rate to go to more than 43% on high earned income and 20% on capital gains. If the capital gains rate is eliminated, there’ll be no incentive to invest; no investment equals no growth; no growth equals no new jobs. Stagnation.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
10:07 am
Common sense: “I just love how Obama has elevated himself to the rich. Yet he is not rich because he has produced something of value”
You’ve got to love it when they claim that Obama produced nothing “of value” (I guess helping people in your community become more involved in the political process isn’t considered a “value”, figures they would say that, they hate democracy).
And the guy they claim has produced “value” amassed his fortunes and enriched himself by gutting companies, loading up their books with loans and then selling them off, pocketing the profits for himself.
Nice.
Union
January 25th, 2012
10:08 am
Aquagirl
January 25th, 2012
10:03 am
i actually do the classes several times a year.. and have done them for several years.. i heard this illustration several years ago and it is a good example of “personal responsibility” the other part of “personal responsibility” to me is.. helping those that need help and being in a position to do so..
Midori
January 25th, 2012
10:12 am
In what some critics are calling the most radial tactic ever employed in a State of the Union Address, President Barack Obama risked alienating congressional Republicans last night by repeatedly using facts.
Mr. Obama stirred controversy throughout the speech with his relentless references to facts, data, and things that have actually happened, all long considered the third rail of American politics.
As the President made reference to tax rates and unemployment numbers, as well as sixteen separate mentions of Osama bin Laden, congressional Republicans’ blood began to boil.
After the speech, a furious Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters, “It’s been a longstanding tradition in our politics not to use facts in a State of the Union Address, a tradition the President chose to ignore in an outrageous way tonight. I won’t stand for it and the American people won’t stand for it.”
Soothsayer
January 25th, 2012
10:14 am
Ethics bill gets cool reception in Ga. House (AJC)
Georgia Conservatives in Action, was part of a dozen or so grassroots conservatives on hand to support an ethics bill that would limit the spending of lobbyists and PACs. But there was little GOP backing for the bill: Republicans control both General Assembly chambers, but sponsor Rep. Tommy Smith, R-Nicholls, could not find a single co-sponsor in his party.
Can you imagine that? No support for an ethics bill in our very own Georgia Legislature?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
10:14 am
Common sense has the cojones to claim that Barack Obama has produced nothing of “value” to earn his money …
As though Mitt Romney’s practice of hoarding capital to buy up companies, then using loans to pad their books and inflate their bottom line before selling them off and pocketing the equity while dumping the debt on others is “value”.
Nice work if you can get it.
godless heathen
January 25th, 2012
10:14 am
Paul,
You posted this at 9:48: “Did you miss the post at 9:59?”
I did because my time machine is in the shop today.
Did I make these statements up?
“Poison – last time I checked, the president was in the EXECUTIVE branch, not the LEGISLATIVE ”
“That’s what is so amusing about you righties. You don’t even know which branch of the government is responsible for legislation.”
I’m just saying that the Obamanauts here want to have it both ways. Obama’s failings are someone else’s fault, but his successes are all his own.
n
January 25th, 2012
10:15 am
Bravo Midori!
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:15 am
“First, if you’re a business that wants to outsource jobs, you shouldn’t get a tax deduction for doing it. That money should be used to cover moving expenses for companies like Master Lock that decide to bring jobs home”
And of course I would wonder what would happen if Japan,South Korea and Germany all did the same for all those outsourced jobs they sent to the U.S. for all those auto plants in GA,AL., and S. Carolina. And then Obama wants to take that tax money and give it to people like Master Lock. More picking winners and losers. Haven’t we had enough of this crony capitalism crap. I thought only socialists micromanaged economic activity.
Steve - USA (I support "None Of The Above")
January 25th, 2012
10:15 am
“President Barack Obama risked alienating congressional Republicans last night by repeatedly using facts.”
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/fact-check-obama-pushes-1315901.html
Paulo977
January 25th, 2012
10:17 am
Truth Man
January 25th, 2012
8:36 am
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Soothsayer
January 25th, 2012
10:18 am
Magazine rudely ranks Atlanta as 7th rudest U.S. city (AJC)
Being a Southerner and True Gentleman, I could teach a course on manners. I even recall the lost arts of salad forks, soup spoons and which side of the sidewalk to be on when escorting a lady. If I ever take my wife to fancier environs than the Trackside Tavern, I’m ready.
Imagine my chagrin when learning Atlanta has been crowned the 7th crabbiest city in America by readers of a magazine I’d never heard of until today.
Yes, our once and future friendly city has been overrun by northerners who’ve grown tired of shoveling sidewalks and decent public schools.
With some the Fright-Wingers on this blog, I can sure see that!
Talking Head
January 25th, 2012
10:18 am
“And of course I would wonder what would happen if Japan,South Korea and Germany all did the same for all those outsourced jobs they sent to the U.S. for all those auto plants in GA,AL., and S. Carolina. And then Obama wants to take that tax money and give it to people like Master Lock. More picking winners and losers. Haven’t we had enough of this crony capitalism crap. I thought only socialists micromanaged economic activity.”
Yup. If we continue down this road, we will truly be a fascist state.
Jefferson
January 25th, 2012
10:18 am
I hope the President comes out and asks Newt, “I can understand divoice, but how do you explain the deception and lack of integrety in a 6 year affair with a co worker?”, face to face.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:19 am
“Second, no American company should be able to avoid paying its fair share of taxes by moving jobs and profits overseas. From now on, every multinational company should have to pay a basic minimum tax. And every penny should go towards lowering taxes for companies that choose to stay here and hire here in America.”
Like I said. I wonder what would happen if a lot of foreign auto maker’s govts penalized their companies to the point that they had to close down all their auto plants here in the U.S. And why does Mr. Obama think that if Coke sells cokes in Asia that those cokes should be made over here as opposed to being made over there?
This whole outsourcing thing is a bunch of nonsense anyway. We’ve been outsourcing jobs for decades and decades as the world has gotten smaller. Would you prefer that Apple made its I-phone in the U.S.? We can do that. And you’ll pay something like $1600 for that I-phone also. Gawd libs are unbelievable to fall for this crap.
Paulo977
January 25th, 2012
10:19 am
Truth Man
January 25th, 2012
8:36 am
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Your HATE will engulf and choke you …careful !
Jefferson
January 25th, 2012
10:20 am
Those companies build cars here because the market is here.
Joseph
January 25th, 2012
10:20 am
What about when he was a so called professor at Chicago University and he taught Allinsky 101? Allinsky and Marx was pretty much the same person. Even a caveman could figure that out Jay…. You wouldn’t teach something you wouldn’t beleive in…..
Junior Samples
January 25th, 2012
10:20 am
Why is it libs always want to raise taxes instead of lowering expenses?? Business’ in the real world have to act resposibly and work within a budget and become efficient. I’m sick of you libs trying to smother every problem by piling more money on it (other peoples money btw not yours)
Joseph
January 25th, 2012
10:22 am
The utter failure of leadership of his Presidency is enough for him to be unemployed himself come November though… I really could care less about the titles people give Obama on both sides of the isle…
Aquagirl
January 25th, 2012
10:22 am
i actually do the classes several times a year.. and have done them for several years.. i heard this illustration several years ago and it is a good example of “personal responsibility”
Wait, you’re claiming you do a class based on a forwarded e-mail to somehow prove some point on “personal responsibility?”
If you are telling the truth about your profession, I’ll temporarily side with the cons and declare our Universities full of ivory tower losers who need to get a real job. Please identify your supposed course so I can warn everyone to avoid the hell out of such stupid right-wing propaganda disguised as “higher learning.”
Thug
January 25th, 2012
10:23 am
Life is not fair…
…class warfare is never cool
thank God for the 1%
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:23 am
“And if you want to relocate in a community that was hit hard when a factory left town, you should get help financing a new plant, equipment, or training for new workers.”
Um. Excuse me. Don’t state and local govts already give varied tax incentives to draw in companies? Kinda like we did here in GA to bring in KIA. And what happens on this blog? And how many times have we seen liberals on here bitch and whine about tax breaks and incentives given to companies to locate here??? How many???
Oh but its different this time for 2 reasons. 1 being the feds will manage it so that makes it just great that the fed’l govt micromanages crap and arbitrarily decides which locales are more worthy of tax deductions then other locales. Something tells me vote buying and pandering is now going to come into play with the federal govt picking winners and losers. That’s freaking scary.
My 2nd point? It will be fascinating to see how many libs on here think tax incentives are now a super idea for no other reason than that its Obama who now proposes it. Just kick back and watch. Matter of fact let me get a fresh cup of coffee and bagel and watch the libs now advocate for tax incentives for companies relocating- something they have adamantly opposed on this blog. Doomy loves the smell of fresh hypocrisy in the morning.
Grasshopper
January 25th, 2012
10:24 am
Jeez, count the ’shoulds’ in that little snippet.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:25 am
Gordon: What are the details of Obama’s plan to change social security and medicare? I know he is taking money out of Medicare to help pay for Obamacare, but I haven’t heard anything else. What is the plan?
Oh FFS read the damn speech and then look up what he was referring to.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
10:25 am
“Alinsky 101″
How cute is that?
KinderAlinsky or JazzerAlinsky could be next.
barking frog
January 25th, 2012
10:26 am
Aquagirl, looks like you popped the top on a can of ‘whup ass’ this morning…
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:26 am
Jefferson
January 25th, 2012
10:20 am
Those companies build cars here because the market is here.
Jefferson,
I believe someone on here talked about that BMW plant in either S. Carolina or AL. that build BMWs and that the majority of those cars are then sent to Savannah and shipped back to Germany. I wonder what would happen if the Germans start bitching about those outsourced jobs to the U.S.?
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:26 am
Doom: And of course I would wonder what would happen if Japan,South Korea and Germany all did the same for all those outsourced jobs they sent to the U.S. for all those auto plants in GA,AL., and S. Carolina
They would lose a lot more business than we would. Why isn’t China in that list, hmm?
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
10:26 am
Gordon, 9:55 am
“Mary Elizabeth,
Thanks for trying, but neither you nor Adam have mentioned anything that Obama has proposed that will significantly alter the self destructive trajectory that entitlements (especially Medicare) are on.”
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Gordon,
Bottom Line:
Don’t answer to me, but answer, only, to yourself. “Do you really want to do away with Social Security and Medicare, as we know them (as programs for security for all of the old in this nation), and turn them into the precariousness of privately held 401Ks and private health insurance companies for 85 year olds? Yet, we do not want to give a few % points of tax rate increase to the wealthiest in our nation.
Doesn’t something seem out-of-balance in that way of thinking, to you? Have you considered that the entire financial framework within our nation – relative to management vs. labor pay scales – could be out-of-balance in our nation? Could the decreasing opportunity for upward mobility in our nation, today, also be because of an out-of-balance design?
Atlantan
January 25th, 2012
10:27 am
Jay $250,000 isn’t $1million dollars or $1 billion dollars didn’t your Progs study basic math?
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:27 am
I would like to thank whoever talked about passports a bit ago, because I forgot that is something I badly need to renew. Tax return money is going towards that now, thanks for the reminder
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
10:27 am
JAY,
I just saw your response to my inquiry about the validity of the early post regarding “the first president to…”
I agree with your 2 points but I’m wondering about the other 90%+…if nothing else, it’s pretty funny and likely mostly accurate stuff to one degree or another..
carlosgvv
January 25th, 2012
10:28 am
Obama believes “no American company should be able to avoid paying it’s fair share of taxes by moving jobs and profits overseas”. Unfortunately for us all, the sociopathic Big Business moguls have no patriotism or any regard whatsover for the American worker. Building huge personal fortunes is the one and only thing they care about.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
10:28 am
Aquagirl doesn’t use the canned stuff.
It’s fresh.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:29 am
“But those complaints are born of a philosophy that rejects the concept of shared responsibility in the first place.”
Well lets talk about shared responsibility. 1% pay 37% of all taxes while 47% pay nothing outside of FICA. Is that what you mean by “shared responsibility?”
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:30 am
WOODSTOCK: Wealthy Republicans consistently show that they are willing to give much more of their money to charities, this has been proven time and time again…
But I thought Democrats were all about giving to the less fortunate??
I would like you to cite examples of this that “prove” this “time and time again” please. That’s number 1.
Number 2, Democrats give to the less fortunate by paying their taxes and pushing for tax reform that increases tax revenue, and then by pushing for programs that help the less fortunate on a much wider scale – through government – than any charity could possibly hope for.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:30 am
“the sociopathic Big Business moguls”
Aaaaaand then I stopped reading.
Thug
January 25th, 2012
10:30 am
239th?
Atlantan
January 25th, 2012
10:31 am
I also enjoyed Obama bashing American companies who outsource jobs to foreign countries, but just a few minutes later talk about how great Siemens (a GERMAN COMPANY) is doing such great things in America. He also had Steve Jobs wife there as a special guest (uhm me thinks Apple outsources a great deal of their jobs to China). Man the guy is embarrassing – but his myrmidons like you are worse. Think for yourself for once.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:31 am
Joseph — “What about when he was a so called professor at Chicago University and he taught Allinsky 101? Allinsky and Marx was pretty much the same person. Even a caveman could figure that out Jay…. You wouldn’t teach something you wouldn’t beleive in…..”
I know *exactly* what you mean. My 20th Century History instructor *had* to have been a Nazi and a Communist, since his lesson plan covered both WWII and the Cold War.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:31 am
godless: More like the president will fix what he can and Congress will oppose whatever ideas he has, even if originally theirs, unless they determine the political fallout from acting that way is greater than the gain of being a contrast to the President.
The Thin Guy
January 25th, 2012
10:33 am
Just as a broken analog clock is right twice a day, Jay Bookman is indeed correct. Both he and ØDumbø are Marxists. Both favor the use of the government to redistribute wealth from the productive to the non productive. Both favor the elimination of private property. Both want Marxist medicine with health care rationing, Death Panels, and the massive costs of Third World Medicine which will destroy both our health care system and our economy. I neither know nor care where the Indonesian Imbecile was born. My personal guess is Pluto. All I want if for him to be beamed back to the Mother Ship and for an American to be in the White House a year from now. The State of the Union is simple: It Suxs Donkey Dongs and will until the Kenyan Klutz vanishes.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:33 am
Union: You should tell your family to stop sending you chain emails with false stories like that grades being “redistributed” story. You only make yourself less smart reading those.
Butch Cassidy
January 25th, 2012
10:34 am
The SOTU address last night was pretty much what I thought it would be. Obama had some good ideas, but short of inventing a Jedi conspiricy and declaring himself Emporer, I doubt much, if any, of it will come to fruition.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:34 am
Adam,
People have cited various studies and surveys on here numerous times showing that cons give far more to charity. Its not really much of a point of debate. And if you don’t believe me all you have to do is look at the amount given to charity by Obama/Biden when they ran for potus the first time. Biden’s sorry ass gave all of $1,000 while Obama gave something like $3,000. Say what you will about Cheney but for years the man has given away 20% of his income to charity- millions.
And here is an article from the NYTimes, that bastion of liberalism, by a liberal writer decrying the lack of giving by liberals vis a vis cons.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/opinion/21kristof.html
Mick
January 25th, 2012
10:35 am
“We have met the enemy and he is us”
-Thomas Jefferson
Recon 2533 1811
January 25th, 2012
10:35 am
The left likes to dance around labels by simply calling them absurd while avoiding inconvenient truths associated with an ideology that advocates income redistribution or income equalization through targeting taxation by income class. When you have someone and in this case Obama as our president advocating income equality through government action that takes away income from one group in order to provide financial equality for another group you have a socialist minded individual thus we have a socialist minded president. Obama attempts to employ salesmanship or wordsmithing by saying that those earning over one million dollars a year should pay at least 30% in tax or the same amount as a secretary earning much less who pays a greater percentage of their income in tax. He avoids making dollar comparisons of paid income tax or that almost half of the income earners pay no federal income tax at all.. He also avoids the fact that many in that upper bracket are small to medium business owners and what government takes away in taxation means less that can be reinvested to create jobs. Obama, however, doesn’t really care about job creation he cares about government financial program assistance creation. As Obama himself once said you can put lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig. Yes Obama’s a socialist and that will be the choice voters will have this November.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:36 am
Common Sense: Yet he is not rich because he has produced something of value. He is rich because he has ridden the government gravy train to a position where he can sell books and make speeches.
What a load of crap. You think public office is all a “government gravy train”? Why do you even vote then?
barking frog
January 25th, 2012
10:36 am
Thanks Granny, good to know..
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:36 am
“That philosophy envisions each of us as separate and isolated units, without obligation to each other or the greater good.”
Spoken like a true advocate of the collective as opposed to a conservative who believes in the freedom of the individual. You libs get scarier by the moment. Without obligation to the greater good? Perhaps Jay needs to refer to the NYTimes article I just posted from a liberal writer complaining about the lack of charitable giving by liberals relative to conservatives. Just the facts sir. Just the facts.
Aquagirl
January 25th, 2012
10:36 am
Aquagirl doesn’t use the canned stuff.
Oh, pul-leeze. This wingnut is claiming he/she/it personally does something cited in an urban legend, the only can necessary is one with marshmallows.
Paulo977
January 25th, 2012
10:37 am
Mary E :The “money” Obama plans to “take out of Medicare” is, in large part, the governmental subsidies given to private health insurance to implement Medicare.
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It is sad that soooooooooooooooooooo many Americans just have no idea what they are talking about !!
Comprehension skills???
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:38 am
Jack: The cap gains rate is available to anyone that has the ability to take advantage of it.
Exactly. The ones who can are the ones who are on the high end of the economic spectrum, with a few statistical outliers that do not negate the rule.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:38 am
“ It assumes that we are stronger when each of us is selfishly pursuing our own goals without concern for each other or future generations.”
Nope. It assumes, as Adam Smith correctly did over 200 years ago, that people do best when left alone by big govt to pursue their own happiness and economic freedom. The world “selfish” is just your own crap to insult people who believe in freedom. And people who pursue their own goals such as conservatives do have more concern for each other and future generations. That’s why its a fact that conservatives give much more to charity than liberals do as I just pointed out. Because we care. Cons are generous with our own money. Libs are generous with other people’s money.
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2012
10:38 am
Wonder how much earned income is derived from people like Bill Clinton who averages 115K/speech on he circuit? Or perhaps we can speculate how much in earned income that Teresa Heinz Kerry derives from her 700M dollar catsup fortune and how much of her yearly income comes from capital gains. Then there is Nancy Pelosi, worth about 35M…. think that this old broad doesn’t scam the tax system. And lets not forget Buffet, Gates, Soros, the Waltons and countless other Democrats that belong to that evil and loathsome 1% that pay as little income tax as they can…. just like that evil, demonic and unjust American, Mitt Romney.
Mick
January 25th, 2012
10:39 am
doom
Your theorem about charitable gift giving is preposterous, people don’t identify whether they are a con or lib when they give, it is a sickening, retarded, justification. As far as cheney is concerned, the only way he could possibly atone for all the death and destruction he has caused in this world, would be to give his entire fortune away and go live in a monastery begging for god’s mercy of all his sins – nothing less…
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:39 am
Doom: Like I said. I wonder what would happen if a lot of foreign auto maker’s govts penalized their companies to the point that they had to close down all their auto plants here in the U.S.
And I wonder what would happen if I had a toilet seat made out of gold.
Hey, it’s not impossible, just highly unlikely!
RAMZAD
January 25th, 2012
10:40 am
A good Republican will never let the facts get in the way of a little old fashion racism, a dash of sexism, the party pivot line, and blueprint plan to destroy the environment on behalf of themselves and just a few fat cat cronies they call job creators.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:40 am
“Exactly. The ones who can are the ones who are on the high end of the economic spectrum, with a few statistical outliers that do not negate the rule.”
Nope. Lots of middle class people can take advantage of it when they sell a home or when they sell a mutual fund or a stock. You do understand that its not only rich people that own individual stocks right?
obamas_legacy
January 25th, 2012
10:41 am
“But, in philosophical terms, the connection claimed to exist between Obama and his Marxist associates is not merely logical, but causal. His life-long, self-selected connections with known Marxists are claimed to have had a causal influence on his own beliefs. And that is a vital distinction when examining one’s resultant behavior patterns.
It is probabilistic, not deductive, reasoning that best deals with causal relationships. While we cannot conclude with certainty from the truth of documented facts concerning his Marxist associations that Barack Obama himself is a Marxist, it is reasonable to conclude that there is a significant probability that he is and doing so commits no logical fallacy. So his associations are not, as his defenders maintain, irrelevant as evidence of his own beliefs. They are, in fact, determinant.”
Victor Morawski
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/06/obama-and-marxism-a-legitimate-question/
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:41 am
“I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that this country would have achieved all that it has achieved to date had that philosophy been allowed to determine public policy.”
Yep. I can believe that. Libs have the mistaken view that we are great because of govt. And cons have the correct view that we are great because of our capitalist system of freedom.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:43 am
Doom — “My 2nd point? It will be fascinating to see how many libs on here think tax incentives are now a super idea for no other reason than that its Obama who now proposes it. Just kick back and watch. Matter of fact let me get a fresh cup of coffee and bagel and watch the libs now advocate for tax incentives for companies relocating- something they have adamantly opposed on this blog.”
If you were honest, you’d recognize that I’ve been advocating tax breaks for direct job creation for months. I do not now and have never had a problem with tax breaks for job creation, but I’ve said many times that we’re harming our economy by giving tax breaks on the *promise* of new jobs, not on the actual *creation* of them — and that this amounts to incenting the accumulation of wealth, not to incenting the creation of jobs.
I’m perfectly fine with extending tax breaks for job creation once the jobs have been created and have been filled for a year or more by Americans. I’m even fine with incentivizing the sustainment of jobs by increasing the tax break for jobs that remain filled by Americans for 5 years, 10 years or more. However, I’m not okay with shoveling tax breaks down a person’s or businesses’ maw before they’ve even bothered to create a single new job.
Create the jobs first, then we can talk about your tax break.
But as lons as you want to talk about hypocrisy, we can also talk about how Republicans are no doubt going to start opposing the notion of tax breaks for job creators, now that Democrats are getting on board. After all, that’s how they treated Romneycare.
jms
January 25th, 2012
10:43 am
OK, so no tax increase for under $250K and tax increases for those over $1 million. What about those making between $250K and $1 million? I’m thinking tax increase.
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
10:44 am
MARYELIZABETH,
Just saw your response to mine earlier..had to jump off briefly.
Your pal BO made several promises in 2008 including: pursing criminal investigations of telecom industry for the whole wiretapping thingy….he went so far as to suggest he would filibuster if needed to make this happen. Guess what, the industry threw millions in his direction and he actually stopped the same filibuster by fellow DEM.
In 2008 he also promised to investigate wall street and mortgage/dervatives for criminal prosecution: Guess what, the likes of Goldman, Citibank, BOA, and multiple hedge funds threw millions at him and nothing happened.
In 2008 he promised transparency…the BOHC bill was rammed behind closed doors….also, $16 billion of $20 billion of stimulus money for green crap was issued to BO campaign bundlers and other contacts who, in some instances, set up shell companies to obtain loans then sold shell companies for a premium to existing (Solyndra like) green companies with no track record of success…created nil for long term employment…where is the transparency?
Same promises…hopes and dreams…What do you hope for MARY??
Acer706
January 25th, 2012
10:44 am
The speech was mindless. University of Minnesota’s states that the speech was at an 8th grade reading level… the lowest rating since 1934.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:45 am
Doom — “Cons are generous with our own money.”
Except when it comes to paying the help.
gadem
January 25th, 2012
10:45 am
I truly wonder if some Republicans know what Marxism really means, or do they just throw it around at their discretion…kind of like socialist and other fear mongering words.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:46 am
“As Obama suggested last night, that’s not how we got to where we are; it is not how to get to where we need to be.”
And Obama would be wrong. As are you of course. From this country’s inception in 1776 until the permanent income tax was introduced in 1913 this nation rocketed to either the most powerful nation on earth or certainly one of the most powerful nations on earth. And this was after a bloody civil war and 10 years of reconstruction that we made this amazing economic leap. And we did it precisely because of a limited central govt, no permanent federal income tax, and no nanny state that the libs love to advocate for in the interest of vote buying.
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
10:46 am
Not sure if a kitten dies or not. (I suspect that some of them aim for them!)
As for you self-destructive ostriches in the Reverse Robin Hood Party that keep puking up this canard about how will making the uber-wealthy pay their fair share of tax – as a percentage of their wealth – reduce the deficit, for the umpteenth time, it is not about that!
But it won’t hurt, that is for sure.
This is about justice. I suggest some of you use an on-line dictionary and see what that word means.
And then ask yourselves why you are so averse to it.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:46 am
Doom — “And cons have the correct view that we are great because of our capitalist system of freedom.”
Capitalism’s an *economic* system, not a ’system of freedom,” whatever that’s supposed to be.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:47 am
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:45 am
Doom — “Cons are generous with our own money.”
“Except when it comes to paying the help.”
Not intended to be a factual statement.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
10:48 am
Acer706
Newspaper do it also….
Need Cliff notes?
larry
January 25th, 2012
10:48 am
Using the income tax to redistribute wealth has been going on since 1913, when the income tax was instituted.
Under Republican William Taft.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:48 am
obamas_legacy — “It is probabilistic, not deductive, reasoning that best deals with causal relationships. While we cannot conclude with certainty from the truth of documented facts concerning his Marxist associations that Barack Obama himself is a Marxist, it is reasonable to conclude that there is a significant probability that he is and doing so commits no logical fallacy. So his associations are not, as his defenders maintain, irrelevant as evidence of his own beliefs. They are, in fact, determinant.”
This is the ‘track record” argument that the cons relied on to support the invasion of Iraq. The problem with this argument is that it is often wrong and that it possesses no self-correction mechanism.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:48 am
Capitalism’s an *economic* system, not a ’system of freedom,” whatever that’s supposed to be.
Yeah. I know that Joe. We all do. But as an economic system it also requires freedom. Of that I’m sure you will agree.
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
10:49 am
I truly wonder if some Republicans know what Marxism really means…
Of course they don’t, gadem!
This is a group of semi-literates who constantly makes up their own bizarre definitions.
Collectively they have almost zero respect for the English language and even less use for intellectual honesty.
And proudly so.
Ask rags, he’ll tell you that conservatism and freedom are synonyms…
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
10:50 am
While we cannot conclude with certainty from the truth of documented facts concerning his Marxist associations that Barack Obama himself is a Marxist, it is reasonable to conclude that there is a significant probability that he is and doing so commits no logical fallacy. So his associations are not, as his defenders maintain, irrelevant as evidence of his own beliefs.
Here ends the Bircher scripture reading for this morning.
Pennsylvanian
January 25th, 2012
10:50 am
Let assume Jay is correct; Obama is not a Marxist. Why did he hang out with all those commies and Marxists? The chicks were easy? They had some good dope?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:51 am
Doom — “And Obama would be wrong. As are you of course. From this country’s inception in 1776 until the permanent income tax was introduced in 1913 this nation rocketed to either the most powerful nation on earth or certainly one of the most powerful nations on earth. And this was after a bloody civil war and 10 years of reconstruction that we made this amazing economic leap. And we did it precisely because of a limited central govt, no permanent federal income tax, and no nanny state that the libs love to advocate for in the interest of vote buying.”
Some historians would point out that our political, economic and military superpower status didn’t arrive until sometime during WWII, *after* all those things you’re upset about came to pass.
It’s a legitimate point of disagreement, and I don’t think you’re in any position to determine who’s right and who’s wrong about it.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:51 am
Doom — “Not intended to be a factual statement.”
Except that it is.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:52 am
Doom: You do understand that its not only rich people that own individual stocks right?
You do understand it’s not a major source of their income, driving their tax rate to below 15% effective, right?
Erwin's cat
January 25th, 2012
10:52 am
Adam – “Democrats give to the less fortunate by paying their taxes and pushing for tax reform that increases tax revenue, and then by pushing for programs that help the less fortunate on a much wider scale – through government – than any charity could possibly hope for.”
Given this stretch of logic…then given that just the Reps are the evil rich (as described on this blog) and pay @ 40% of the total tax bill, I’d say the Reps give more to private and govt charity…those Reps are a generous bunch huh?
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
10:53 am
ADAM,
All the government is a gravy train…you think his ridiculous book would have sold anything without his job? Do you understand that the likes of Hastert, Reid, Pelosi and the whole gang can trade on inside information to enhance their wealth…heck its the only bi-partisan activity in congress. Do you realize that 94% of elections are determined by who spends the most? How much do you suppose BO will garner for speaking engagements post presidency? Do you realize what % of congress folks end up lobbyist?
You are naive to think that any government electorate or assignment is not a wealth enhancing opportunity../
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:53 am
Yep. I can believe that. Libs have the correct view that we are great because of govt. And cons have the mistaken view that we are great because of our capitalist system of freedom.
FYT
NAGA
January 25th, 2012
10:53 am
Funny that Obama referenced Master Lock. The “company” is wholly owned by Fortune Brands which moved over 1000 jobs to China in the late 90s. Last year, ML announced that is was returning a whopping 40 jobs from China back to the US.
Obama – all over the place last night:
(1) Seems to be confused with the difference between a millionaire & billionaire.
(2) He does not understand the “Buffett Rule” & its pratical implications. There are two different tax rates for “earned income” and “investment income”. Most of the truly wealthy people make their money of the latter group & therefore have a lower “tax rate”
(3) He states “if you make…” like 98% of the families??? Is he talking about a single income person (you) or a family (your) that might have two income earners???
Once again, the president does not seem to be interested in uniting this country. What a shame.
Jay
January 25th, 2012
10:54 am
“It assumes, as Adam Smith correctly did over 200 years ago, that people do best when left alone by big govt to pursue their own happiness and economic freedom.”
Care to provide a quote to that effect, Thulsa?
While you look, here are a few actual Adam Smith quotes you may wish to ponder. Probably not, though.
““It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.”
““People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”
“Our merchants and masters complain much of the bad effects of high wages in raising the price and lessening the sale of goods. They say nothing concerning the bad effects of high profits. They are silent with regard to the pernicious effects of their own gains. They complain only of those of other people.”
“As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”
“Consumption is the sole end and purpose of all production; and the interest of the producer ought to be attended to, only so far as it may be necessary for promoting that of the consumer.”
“Labor was the first price, the original purchase – money that was paid for all things. It was not by gold or by silver, but by labor, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased.”
“To feel much for others and little for ourselves; to restrain our selfishness and exercise our benevolent affections, constitute the perfection of human nature.”
Adam Smith, ladies and gentleman, a proto-Marxist.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
10:54 am
Doom — “Yeah. I know that Joe. We all do. But as an economic system it also requires freedom.”
Your argument is specious and naive. Capitalism is an *economic* system. Economic systems are generally not dependent on specific governmental/political systems to sustain them. An authoritarian or totalitarian capitalist system is not impossible. Improbable, yes, but not impossible. Capitalism does not = freedom.
Pay attention to detail, Doom.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:54 am
Erwin: Given this stretch of logic…then given that just the Reps are the evil rich (as described on this blog BY CONSERVATIVES ONLY.
Seriously, I DARE you to find a liberal who said seriously that the rich are evil
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
10:55 am
which is worse, being called a “racist” or a “marxist”?
carlosgvv
January 25th, 2012
10:56 am
Doom – “and then I stoped reading”
I told you something you didn’t want to hear and you promptly went into complete denial, just as I knew you would.
Tom B
January 25th, 2012
10:56 am
More talk from a “do nothing” community organizer. When is going to do anything he talks about?
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
10:56 am
ACER706
Amen…the language may have been dumbed down but that doesn’t mean the 8th grade educated have a clue about issues beyond “hope and change you can believe in…tax the rich who are the root of all evil blah blah blah…
He’s a phoney selling magic elixir to the masses who are not likely to turn out to vote in same numbers because even they understand that nothing has changed…
kayaker 71
January 25th, 2012
10:57 am
NAGA,
“uniting this country”?
HAhahahahahahahahaha
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
10:57 am
“Labor was the first price, the original purchase – money that was paid for all things. It was not by gold or by silver, but by labor, that all wealth of the world was originally purchased.”
HOT DAMN THAT SHOULD BE ENSCRIBED ON ALL US CURRENCY
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:58 am
Stevie: Do you understand that the likes of Hastert, Reid, Pelosi and the whole gang can trade on inside information to enhance their wealth…
Yes, I understand that EVERYONE in Congress can do that, and that the President called for an end to it that he will sign right away. Did you WATCH the speech?
Do you realize that 94% of elections are determined by who spends the most? How much do you suppose BO will garner for speaking engagements post presidency? Do you realize what % of congress folks end up lobbyist?
You are naive to think that any government electorate or assignment is not a wealth enhancing opportunity../
An opportunity is not a “gravy train” And I agree with all your points, but stop acting like it is illegitimate to hold public office, do well in public office, and make some money at the same time. Not unless you are going to apply the same standard to every single industry that produces someone who writes a book and gets into the public eye because of being in a national corporation that gets tons of public subsidies.
Recon 2533 1811
January 25th, 2012
10:58 am
O.T..Interesting analysis from the Associated Press.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/24/fact-check-obamas-2012-state-union/
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:58 am
“Hey, it’s not impossible, just highly unlikely!”
Adam,
I dunno there pardner. If we started forcing American companies to bring foreign operations plants back here to the U.S. you don’t think foreign governments would retaliate and do the same? That’s a little naive.
Doom — “Not intended to be a factual statement.”
Except that it is.- Joe Mama
Nope. Just a blanket statement and a little piece of rhetoric. Nothing more. Now you can always trot out an article or 2 about a con “not paying the help” but that wouldn’t mean anything. And I believe you know that.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
10:59 am
Thulsa Doom: “Capitalism’s an *economic* system, not a ’system of freedom,” whatever that’s supposed to be.”
Wrong. Capitalism is, as Marx claimed, a reproduction of a feudal-type of social relations of domination and servitude in modern form which uses an abstract notion of “rights” and “freedom” by consigning them to the category of the political, and which works because people remain in thrall of commodity fetishism (i.e. they make a fetish out of money and goods, thinking that they have mystical value when they are really just a concrete expression of a social relation).
“Yeah. I know that Joe. We all do. But as an economic system it also requires freedom. Of that I’m sure you will agree.”
Dead wrong.
As I’ve mentioned a few times recently, the emergence of powerhouses of efficiency like China and Singapore which are not liberal democracies is a game-changer here. The marriage between liberal democracy and capitalism is over and there is very good evidence that the template for an even more ruthlessly efficient habitat for capitalism is authoritarianism. Capitalism emerged originally out of protestantism, which itself was a kind of secularized form of Christianity, and what we’re now witnessing is the next step in the process where liberal democracy (a further secularized form of protestantism?) is replaced with something entirely different.
By the way, does throwing in phrases like “as Marx said” in your writing qualify you as a Marxist?
.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:59 am
ty: which is worse, being called a “racist” or a “marxist”?
The person who is engaging in the name calling as though the name is a slur is the “worst.”
getalife
January 25th, 2012
10:59 am
“If you smell what the rock is cooking” Adam Smith.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:01 am
Stevie Ray @ 10:44 am
“Same promises…hopes and dreams…What do you hope for MARY??”
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I hope that Barack Obama is re-elected President of the United States, for a second term, so that our nation can continue the trajectory of 22 months of job creation, and of continuing to climb out of the disaster of a near-hit second Depression. Simple as that.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:01 am
Doom: If we started forcing American companies to bring foreign operations plants back here to the U.S. you don’t think foreign governments would retaliate and do the same?
I think the ones you listed would have more to lose from doing so.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:01 am
Mick
January 25th, 2012
10:39 am
doom
“Your theorem about charitable gift giving is preposterous, people don’t identify whether they are a con or lib when they give, it is a sickening, retarded, justification’
Mick,
On the contrary sir. There are studies and surveys done on all kinds of things. Charitable giving amongst political affliliations is no different. As the NYTimes liberal writer whose link I posted on charitable giving demonstrated.
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
And as I noted last night, of all the sheer lunacy, lies and sophistry that prevails in the Reverse Robin Hood Party, this ongoing obsession with McCarthyism is arguably the most demented.
The only question that remain is when will the bumbling neo-cons start blacklisting Hollywood folks and ruining the lives of government employees, educators and union activists?
Isn’t it time for you lying neanderthals to crank up a modern day House Un-American Activities Committee?
You know you want to…
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
I’m going to be “producing” for the next few hours. Don’t wait up!
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
“I think the ones you listed would have more to lose from doing so.”
Adam,
You may indeed be right. But do we really want to chance trade wars and ticking off allies?
NAGA
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
Larry – yet another lib who has no clue about US history. Wilson (D) was elected as president in 1912 defeating Taft. The 16th Admendment to the US Constitution was ratified by a mojority of individual states pal like any change to the constitution.
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
11:05 am
Jay,
all ribbing aside(my knee pad comment was simply that, sorry if it offended you)…what did you think of the speech? do you simply judge it as not being “marxist”?
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:06 am
ADAM,
Defense of the status quo…I guess you are ok with all the corruption that occurs. Do you see that nothing will change until we get campaign finance reform, hold electorate accountable for insider trading and prosecute same as Martha Stewart, and take the profit opportunities out of our government? They don’ care about us….they now spend less than 10% of their time on the floor and over 30% of their time raising money at the expense of corrupt policy making…
If you are suggesting that it’s ok to use taxpayer money to enhance wealth by techniques that are criminal outside the beltway then I suggest you consider the true implications of these facts..
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:06 am
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
“I’m going to be “producing” for the next few hours”
Good for you Adam. I think I’m going to do the same and quit stealing from my employer. I hate it when I get lazy and steal from myself.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 25th, 2012
11:07 am
Well, the one I felt sorriest for last night was Biden. He was doing his best not to go to sleep again during a Obama speech. I just hate to think of what people are going to be saying when he dies and they hold his funeral: “He looks so natural—just the way he always looked at Obama’s SOTU speeches.”
Have a good Hump Day everybody. And I sure hope Bruno is working, cause he won’t be humping at anything else after his girl friend dumped him right in front of all of us.
Erwin's cat
January 25th, 2012
11:08 am
okay Adam, they are not evil by any means (as described by liberals) look at their contributions to govt and private charities…but if you want to focus on the silly “evil” moniker that’s fine..
Ignore your implication that the Reps are just more generous to charities… but that’s easy ’cause they have all (sorry most) of the money anyway
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:08 am
@WOODSTOCK MIKE
January 25th, 2012
9:36 am
Why don’t Democrats give to charity??
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How much DID YOU GIVE?
How much did anyone on this blog give?
GIVE……us a break.
There are more important topics we can discuss.
STOP BEING PETTY.
YOU need to CONTRIBUTE hope, love, compassion to the world. NOT NEGATIVITY.
Steve
January 25th, 2012
11:08 am
I stopped reading after…”Let’s be honest…”
To borrow Jay’s quote….”Lets be honest…” The Presidents speech was full of 25% truths, 50% half truths/lies, and 25% lies…
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:10 am
Best SOTU address ever.
America is back so stop your crying cons and agree.
We are back.
Stand proud Americans.
Steve
January 25th, 2012
11:10 am
What is Obama going to do about his Job Czar…Jeffrey Immelt….sending jobs overseas…or will Immelt get a waiver.
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:11 am
Marxism: the political, economic, and social theories of Karl Marx including the belief that the struggle between social classes is a major force in history and that there should eventually be a society in which there are no classes
Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:12 am
Those people are scary.
Only when they’re bombing a Federal building, or shooting a Congressman, or bombing clinics, or posting websites with personal information about people who work at these clinics, or giving aid and comfort and shelter to those who’ve committed these acts of violence, or driving around with bumper stickers sold by the GOP to “Visualize No Liberals”.
Otherwise they’re just cuddly lil’ fuzzballs.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:12 am
@Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:06 am
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
“I’m going to be “producing” for the next few hours”
Good for you Adam. I think I’m going to do the same and quit stealing from my employer. I hate it when I get lazy and steal from myself.
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To all of you WHO ARE STEALING from your employer by being on this blog. Shame on you.
Isn’t that a THIEF?
And some of you have the nerve to talk about Obama.
People who LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES.
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:13 am
Make no mistake, our country survived the worst ever w disaster and will not go back to gop power again.
Sane Americans said not on my watch.
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:13 am
Best SOTU address ever.
dunno about that superlative, but it was a darned good STFU address.
Obama is over
January 25th, 2012
11:14 am
Jay @ 10:05
Please cite the primary source of your comment that Romney did not pay ordinary income tax on a salary as head of Bain Capital. Your comment is trying to imply the “carried interest ” tax at 15% is illegal. Right or wrong, it is the way the current tax code works. Wait a minute, STOP THE PRESS!!!!! WEALTHY PEOPLE USE SOPHISTICATED TAX STRUCTURES TO GAME THE SYSTEM!!!!! What a shock! GE employs several hundred accountants at Perimeter Center that spend all of their time mitigating the firm’s tax liabiilty. By depreciating equipment, purchasing tax credits (wind energy credits, low income housing credits, new market tax credits, historic tax credits, Ga. film credits, conservation easements, carbon tax credits, etc), GE paid ZERO income taxes last year. Now that’s what I call a fair share. These tax credits can be purchased at a discount to reduce ordinary income tax by anyone with knowledge, income, and tax liability. With the number of new agencies Obama mentioned last night to be funded by tax incentives, even if the 1% is taxed at a minimum of 30%, they will be able to offset that liability with newly tax credit programs. Or, they will simply incorporate the family office to fit the new reduced corporate rate Obama wants.Guess what? You do whatever is cheaper based on which party controls the White House. Why do you think the corporate income tax was created in the first place? So wealthy company owners will have to pay their “fair share”. The juggling between structuring a family office as a corporation versus paying the individual rate has been going on for over 100 years. I did not hear anything radically new last night. Obama wants to penalize multinational companies in a global economy, forgive principal and ease underwriting standards for underwater home owners, and spend more money from the fuzzy math savings from the Iraq war. One point was very clear: Obama offered no specific plans on how to pay for all of this stuff other than raising taxes. With alll the new Government agencies and regulations, the only growth plan in Obamaland is Governent employment.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:14 am
. . .as well as a foreign policy that is cogent, comprehensive, and wise. . . and one that is, again, respected throughout the world.
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:15 am
Seal team six does it again and rescues hostages last night.
Our President told Panetta great job last night and that was what he was talking about.
Our President is on a roll and can’t be stopped.
He is one of the best ever and you cons know it.
Acer706
January 25th, 2012
11:16 am
Obama knows that companies cannot flock back to the US unless we abolish a “minimum wage.”
Penalizing companies already outsourcing jobs overseas creates an incentive to move out of the US completely… Right?
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
I forget about when they’re saying those impregnated by rape have been given “the gift of human life,” and thus should “accept what God has given to you.”
That’s pretty scary too.
More garbage from Midori
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
Your “so called” quote is from the Bozo, Borowitz. I guess that’s why you didn’t site your source.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
API: Federal threats of cracking regulation ‘chilling’ investment
Obama is pretty close to being a socialist
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
jaysus xmas on a stick, who was that booing at “insurance companies
can no longer charge different rates for women?”- who would boo that?
other than scumsucking for-profit insurance audience-plant whores
of course
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:18 am
MARYELIZABETH,
Please…your assumption that any of those things have remotely any connection to policies of congress or BO, you are nuts. Economists can’t even agree on whether any amount of (deficit in this case) spending of taxpayers cash to “create jobs’ that are permanent government jobs….
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:18 am
Czars? Realy? they’re still whingeing about Czars?
These morons can’t even get their Russian-despot analogies right.
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:18 am
who would boo that?
see my post @ 11.17.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:19 am
All of obama’s solutions jay quotes in section one are more examples of government engineering of a political economy
And a crummy one
O sux
Normal
January 25th, 2012
11:20 am
Stands,
I love this reply from your post…cleaned up some, of course…
No, The Frothy One makes a lot of sense here — after all, God himself raped the Virgin Mary, told her to shut the f–k up about it, and behold! right in time for Christmas, all the happy cultists got themselves a little bundle of joy. Amen.
So, really, what callous, selfish woman wouldn’t want to carry her rapists’ seed to term, just on the off-chance that the guy with the bad breath and the box cutter wasn’t, you know, the Holy Spirit on his off-day and that the not-so-much-of-a-love child might grow up to be Beethoven?
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:20 am
Obama passed on the opportunity to reform the tax code
He abandoned Simpson Bowles
More O fail
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:21 am
GETALIFE,
Agreed on hostage recovery. My problem is that BO is no different than Bush using drones to assassinate those who pose absolutely no threat to our shores…Killing Bin Laden was nothing but ceremonial….just like your pals rhetoric about hope and change…
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:22 am
jm.
willard lost to the newt.
The newt.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:22 am
Jay has the whole things backwards
Jesus
He must live in a house of mirrors
The Fallen
January 25th, 2012
11:22 am
My question, I guess, is how do the “we are not Marxists folks” on the left reconcile their position with the US slipping on the list of economically free countries of the world?
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
Jm: Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
Soooo, Feds threat at cracking regulations is the same as the government wanting to own and control companies instead of individuals?
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
lil stevey wonder,
“Killing Bin Laden was nothing but ceremonial”
Ceremonial?
Are you even American?
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
Jay you’re a Marxist
Buy not for the reason you cite
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
other than scumsucking for-profit insurance audience-plant whores
of course
Hey! Be a little sensitive. Thulsa Doom got feelings too, you know.
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:24 am
He abandoned Simpson Bowles
be glad he didn’t kick them in the balls, which had been my recommendation.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:25 am
Wold eyes
What part of “control” don’t you understand?
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
Just a reminder–there was never a “Simpson Bowles Commission” report. There was a cheezy memo those two guys wrote when they couldn’t get a consensus with their committee of corporatist weenies.
This is what the Third Way concern-troll set saw as the salvation, for some bizarre reason.
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
As I read the Obama envy off the charts today, I see victory.
Everything you cons write are sore loser lies and bs and we all know it.
Killing obl was not ceremonial, it was one of our greatest come backs.
We are back so start acting like Americans cons or I will blast you off this blog and send you back home to kyle’s slow blog..
Got it cons?
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:27 am
Fallen: Marxism: the political, economic, and social theories of Karl Marx including the belief that the struggle between social classes is a major force in history and that there should eventually be a society in which there are no classes
Are you implying that slipping on the list of economically free country is the same as a society of no classes?
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:29 am
@Bruno
January 25th, 2012
9:08 am
So he wants to create 3 more federal agencies, FORCE children to stay in school until they are until 18, force states to chip in and spend for his ideas on education, etc.
aparently we’re too dumb to negotiate our own mortgages, choose our own lightbulbs. Not to worry, Big Brother will take care of it all for us.
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No not aparently you’re dumb. You are dumb.
You were dumb when you let George W. Bush sell you fools a bill of goods about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. How did that work for ya?
Ask all of the DEAD soliders how dumb you all were.
All of you who went along with Bush for 8 years HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.
So don’t talk about Obama like he is an idiot.
We all know now who were DUMB.
ALL OF YOU.
(ir)Rational
January 25th, 2012
11:29 am
Wild Eyes – I’ll grant to most of the liberals or whomever that he isn’t a true socialist. More of an economic fascist. After all, economic fascism is simply socialism with a capitalist veneer to make it seem more palatable to the people. It is a system of economics where businesses are privately owned, but controlled by the government. Whether through strict regulations or actual control. Of course, the people on here will tell you that it is impossible for him to be an economic fascist, because they’re convinced that all fascists are right-wing, but the truth speaks for itself.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
11:30 am
Thulsa Doom, no interest in trying to defend your claim that democracy and freedom go hand in hand?
Yet again, today, I’m noticing a complete no-show here among our con friends at the level of actual intellectual analysis.
Is this asking too much of them perhaps?
Navy Vet
January 25th, 2012
11:31 am
Truthy Man said it all!
gm
January 25th, 2012
11:31 am
Could some brain washed fox news right wing nut jobs answer this for me? If govn regulations are stopping business for hiring, according to USA today there has been a increase in 54K salaries by CEO’S .
I wonder are there any people on the right have the guts to ask Mitt about that, but he tells the right Obama does not get it , most Americans other then the brain wash, rush limbaugh fools understand it, he wants to go back to the Bush years where he can gut business and make his cool millions and lay of thousands more, and tell poor whites he understand their pain, and some would vote for him, go figure
Navy Vet
January 25th, 2012
11:31 am
Truth Man said it all!
The Fallen
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Wild…I am simply pointing out the correlation between a POTUS who is trying to take this country hard left and the impact on economic freedom.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Obama spent an hour lying to America
Fire him
361 more days
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
It will be so good next year that we will not have to listen to BO’s BS at the SOUA
A question?
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
So..uh, nothing about freedom in his reelection campaign speech, oops I mean state of the union.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Doom — “Nope. Just a blanket statement and a little piece of rhetoric. Nothing more.”
Translation: LALALALALA DOOMY CANT HEAR U
Now you can always trot out an article or 2 about a con “not paying the help” but that wouldn’t mean anything. And I believe you know that.”
I know it means nothing to *you,* but you’re beside the point.
Is Wal-Mart still telling its new hires how to apply for food stamps and health care benefits for the indigent?
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
11:34 am
If America is in decline and companies are being over-regulated, how are they making these record profits?
A question?
January 25th, 2012
11:34 am
Yea! More government agencies, I sure Jay and pals just love that.
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:34 am
GETALIFE,
Yes, the OBL killing was at best, ceremonial. He posed no further threat to our shores and was in hiding with his porn…if we really wanted to get something out of him, we should have simply taken him and interrogated for info then sent him to prison…I hear Guantanamo is still open. Would you object to waterboarding OBL?
Also,
You are nowhere near clever enough blast anyone out of this blog….are you suggesting your use of routine talking points is enough to scare anyone who disagrees with you? Really?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:36 am
Doom — “Good for you Adam. I think I’m going to do the same and quit stealing from my employer. I hate it when I get lazy and steal from myself.”
Mao Tse-Tung — “Do not steal a thimble or even a piece of thread from the People.”
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:37 am
Stevie Ray@11:18
“Please…your assumption that any of those things have remotely any connection to policies of congress or BO, you are nuts. Economists can’t even agree on whether any amount of (deficit in this case) spending of taxpayers cash to “create jobs’ that are permanent government jobs.”
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Let me rephrase, and insert the actual facts regarding job growth for the past 22 months:
“I hope that Barack Obama is re-elected President of the United States, for a second term, so that our nation can continue the trajectory of 22 months of PRIVATE SECTOR job creation, and of continuing to climb out of the disaster of a near-hit second Depression. Simple as that.”
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And, be sure you catch my addendum, to that statement, posted at 11:14 am:
“. . .as well as a (Obama’s) foreign policy that is cogent, comprehensive, and wise. . . and one that is, again, respected throughout the world.”
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I urge you to read Jeff Madrick’s newly published book, “Age of Greed.” Madrick is a former economics columnist for The New York Times.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/185-6361171-2759341?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=age+of+greed&x=17&y=19
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BTW, I do not find it necessary to call other bloggers “nuts” – demeans the overall dialogue.
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:37 am
Redneck Convert – huh? well bless his heart, that explains a lot.
I will quit laughing at his accounting, too.
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:38 am
(ir)Rational: Fascism – a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
So, you are saying BO is a dictator that controls all of the corporations in this country and these corporation cannot disagree with BO? If so, why doesn’t BO just tax the corporation as he sees fit?
My problem is with the use of marxism, socialism and fascism is that people outright refuse to look of the definition of the word and use it in its proper context.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:38 am
@Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
9:16 am
Or would you prefer to give him an open check book with no accountability? It worked real well for the Energy Department investments into companies like Solyndra.
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Pot calling the kettle black?
You gave George W. Bush an open checkbook to send our sons, daughters, husbands, fathers to war on a lie that there were WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
The only mass destruction was the millions and millions and millions of dollars wasted on a LIE.
You all OWE the DEAD SOLIDERS and their families an apology for opening up the checkbook to George W. Bush.
How dare all of you talk about this president when your hands are dirty and bloody.
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:39 am
Ha, Here something for thought…
The most accountable administration ever: Judicial Watch said the U.S. Air Force provided a C-32 – a Boeing 757 modified by the military for the purpose of flying big-wigs around the world – to fly the First Lady and her entourage to and from Africa , at a cost of $424,142. Another $928.44 was listed as the cost of providing 192 meals for the 21 people who made the trip The Obama daughters were listed on the manifest as “senior staff.”
I can already see the change… LOL… You people need to wake up! This is just one of many reasons to vote these clowns out of office….
gm
January 25th, 2012
11:40 am
Could some one please tell me what was Newt accomplishment in Georgia? how many jobs with his influence did he bring to Georgia? How has he made life better for poor whites in rur l areas of Georgia that are supporting him?
Will he take the parents in rural l Georgia janitor jobs and give it to the students?
AT
January 25th, 2012
11:41 am
What stinks of Marxism is the general idea and push, by the government (and that point is most important) that everyone should do what “everyone”(that being the gov’t again) thinks is best for society. The idea that individuals do not have a right to their own property, (ie should be taxed more because they have it). And for whatever reason, (it doesn’t matter the reason), simply because “we” as Obama puts it, think that it should be used for something else.
From Marx:
“Capital is a collective product, and only by the united action of many members, nay, in the last resort, only by the united action of all members of society, can it be set in motion. ”
Marx’s view on the ownership of capital is only expanded to other parts of society such as education, the family, etc. The growth of government control trends toward Marxism, by definition. Freedom trends the other way.
Freedom is difficult for many to accept. It means ditching the power of the collective and doing things on your own. More frightening than that is the idea of letting other people have that same freedom.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:41 am
@Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Obama spent an hour lying to America
Fire him
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George W. Bush spent 8 years lying to America.
His BIGGEST LIE WAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
Why didn’t you FIRE HIM.
Everyone who went along with that lie has the blood of dead soliders on your hands.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:42 am
361 — “It will be so good next year that we will not have to listen to BO’s BS at the SOUA”
I’m pleased that Comcast finally caught up with you and is cutting your cable service off.
Aquagirl
January 25th, 2012
11:42 am
if we really wanted to get something out of him, we should have simply taken him and interrogated for info then sent him to prison…
If he was no threat, why would we interrogate him for non-existent information?
The embarrassment of cons over Bin Ladin’s killing knows no bounds. I never thought I’d see another purported American poo-poo the elimination of this murderous terrorist. But once again, a con sinks to the occasion.
I suggest you drop SEAL Team Six a note and share your feelings about their meaningless ceremonial mission. Good luck with that.
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
11:42 am
Let me understand the right. It was a good idea to spend over 2 trillion dollars fighting a war based on a lie, but it was a bad idea to spend 700 billion to save American jobs and industries? That’s some logic.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
Hmm –”The most accountable administration ever: Judicial Watch said”
Citation, please.
Halftrack
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
The “key” word is “Fair”. Please define that word into a percentage of income that people should pay. Our Nation was not made on the assumpation that the government would keep them up. The “pilgrims” tried such an experiment. Their solution was that no one who did not work would not eat!” The polls show that almost 50% of citizens in the Country do not pay any “income taxes”. If Obummer is wanting everyone to have “skin in the game” then everyone should pay at least a dollar in income tax. Fair Tax should then go from that starting point and up.
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
Fallen: “I am simply pointing out the correlation between a POTUS who is trying to take this country hard left and the impact on economic freedom.” – Well if that’s your opinion then state that but calling the POTUS a Marxist is an improper usage of marxism and is completely opposite of this great democracy. By the way, what economic freedoms have been impacted?
Nope
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
The funny thing is, all of you right wing extremists are just driving moderates right into the voting booth to pull the lever for Obama. You are even forcing the only candidate who could possibly appeal to moderates — Romney — so far right he will eventually just fall off the political radar.
(ir)Rational
January 25th, 2012
11:44 am
Wild Eyes – So, I didn’t give you a definition of economic fascism? I mean, I thought I did. I don’t believe I was calling him a fascist, merely an economic fascist. I can see the difference, can you? I never even implied that he was a dictator. But the fact that the government has exercised in the past few years the power to take over companies (GM and Chrysler) and force others to take money they didn’t want and possibly didn’t need (see the statements of several of the large banks after they were forced to take the bailout money) leads me to believe that he is an economic fascist. He wants to control the economy, while pretending to let it continue being a capitalist economy.
To answer your question about him taxing as he sees fit. If he thought there was any precedent that would ever let him get away with that, do you not think he would have already done so? Oddly enough though, there is this thing called the Constitution that doesn’t allow him that power. Crazy.
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:44 am
willie,
Surely you are not that DENSE! He spent 700 billion to make rich people richer…. Good Grief man, wake up!
godless heathen
January 25th, 2012
11:45 am
from the President’s speech: “Now, you can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense.”
How come all you nit-picking weinies didn’t go all “You do know that a billionaire would pay more in actual dollars than his secretary” on the President.
Keep, are you going to assume that the President doesn’t know the difference between rate and amount?
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Boehner has no lips at all. That’s freaky.
And Newt is firmly against the Buffet rule, obviously.
gm
January 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Will newt come to rural areas where poor whites are on food stamps and tell them to have character and work ethic, also will Newt explain to them how important it is to have family values?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
11:47 am
Morning, Mary Elizabeth. What’s a nice person like you doing in a nasty den of Birchers like this?
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:47 am
@getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
As I read the Obama envy off the charts today, I see victory.
Everything you cons write are sore loser lies and bs and we all know it.
Killing obl was not ceremonial, it was one of our greatest come backs.
We are back so start acting like Americans cons or I will blast you off this blog and send you back home to kyle’s slow blog..
Got it cons?
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BREAKING NEWS
Obama’s administration and the navy seals rescued two hostages from Somalia.
Obama is WINNING.
Get use to it.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:50 am
@getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
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CORRECTION:
BREAKING NEWS
Obama’s administration and the navy seals rescued two hostages from Somalia.
Obama is WINNING.
THEY NEED to get use to it.
The Fallen
January 25th, 2012
11:51 am
Please point out where I called the POTUS a “marxist” I absolutely made no such claim. What I said was “POTUS who is trying to take this country hard left and the impact on economic freedom”.
I think someone else should look before they leap.
As for economic freedoms impacted by Obama, I will start with the easy ones, Obamacare and at least 46 new regulations on private industry that ar estimated to impose at least $100 million worth of compliance costs to the private industry. Big government growth doesn’t happen in a vacuum. There are opportunity costs associated with that growth.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:52 am
Hi Welcome – good to “see” you. You know my DNA is full of “preacher mission” tendencies! Got to preach to the “lost,” I guess! Can’t help it!
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:52 am
There is ONE positive to the story about our First Lady… Her kids are very smart, seeing how they are already Senior Staffers…. Yes we are in good hands…. Hopefully the President’s kids are influencing his policy….
As a man thinketh so is he…. Just go back to watching American Idol!!!!
A question?
January 25th, 2012
11:53 am
Freedom be damned, just make it “fair”
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:53 am
Obama is WINNING.
Of course, he is a winner and cons are sore losers.
If these cons talk like traitors they should be reported as traitors.
See something say something and I see many traitors on this blog.
Watch your mouths cons.
Big Sis is watching you.
Especially lil stevie wonder and his love for obl.
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:54 am
Hopefully Mary Elizabeth is looking in the Mirror while she preaches…. One could only hope!
Erwin's cat
January 25th, 2012
11:54 am
Hmmmm…….“As a man thinketh so is he…. Just go back to watching American Idol!!!!
he can’t…Mom’s redecorating the basement!
JB
January 25th, 2012
11:55 am
If you like:
1. Big government
2. Huge debt
3. uncontrolled spending
4. heavy, job killing regulations
5. High energy cost
6. high taxes
7. high unemployment
8. comfort care, not health care for our seniors
9. low morale
10. unfunded entitlements
You have the right guy in Obama
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:57 am
I always “Look in the Mirror.” It’s called “Reflection,” a state-of-mind I strongly urge for all.
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:57 am
there may be something America cannot achieve, Mr President
a lower lip & chin for Mitch the Turtle
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:57 am
I guess mom has her priorities backwards….
BLAME IT ON BUSH
January 25th, 2012
11:58 am
GOP SUCKS……OBAMA 2012
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:58 am
Great job real Americans supporting one of our best Presidents ever.
Four more years.
td
January 25th, 2012
11:58 am
Obama is a socialist and believes in Marxism. He is just using the Sal Alisky model of getting us there by using the movement of:
Social Democracy: calls for the profound reformation of capitalism to align it with the ethical ideals of social justice while maintaining the capitalist mode of production, rather than creating an alternative socialist economic system.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 25th, 2012
11:58 am
The conned really don’t like American Idol….. Why I bet many conned have it tuned in while they sit in their closets or it is Dancing with the Stars or one of them Real Housewives shows.
BLAME IT ON BUSH
January 25th, 2012
11:59 am
GOP Hates AMERICA VOTE democratic..2012
getalife
January 25th, 2012
12:00 pm
td,
Take your lies back to kyle’s.
Nobody will respond to your lunacy here .
Get lost td.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
12:00 pm
@Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:22 am
Jay has the whole things backwards
Jesus
He must live in a house of mirrors
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Most of you live in a glass house.
Stop throwing stones.
You did not throw stones at George W. Bush when he LIED to all of you about weapons
of mass destruction and you FELL for it HOOK LINE AND SINKER.
Now all of you have BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.
There are dead soliders crying out from the grave asking why?
Joseph
January 25th, 2012
12:03 pm
I feel sorry for that dead horse Obama and the dems keep beating… Tax the rich… pay your fair share…. alternative energy… green jobs…. its Bush’s fault…. i inherited this… A vote for Obama is certainly an admission of ignorance……
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
12:03 pm
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:44 am
If that is correct, then according to the philosophy of the right he did what he was suppose to do, help the job creators get wealth so they could then create jobs. According to the “trickle down” theory they should be creating jobs. Since he did make them rich and all.
gm
January 25th, 2012
12:03 pm
JB
heavy, job killing regulations
I guess thats why there have been increase 54k CEO’s: Please turn off fox idiot news and find the truth””’
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
12:03 pm
MARYELIZABETH,
Thanks for the response and you are correct about labeling someone nuts….too much coffee.
I’m wondering if Bush or McCain had killed OBL if your peeps would be praising a job well done. I’m glad he’s dead having lost 50 plus colleagues at 911. However, politicizing this outcome when it was put in motion years before BO is absurd. The entire intelligence network was in shambles and has been under reconstruction since 2002 or so. Ten years after the fact, OBL is irrelevant reduced to a porn loving closet residing old man. Yes, the killing was ceremonial and politicized..if done by a GOP, I’m sure you would be quick to give them credit as well.
I will take a look at the book you suggested however I’m from Missouri on the relevance of any NYT’s contributor…know that for every economist who suggests DC policy created any relevant job growth I can find one to disagree. Can you tell me the cost of each job you alledge his stimulus created?
What ever happened to those shovel ready jobs for infrastructure improvement? Oh, I saw last night he wants to really make that work…promises promises
361 more days
January 25th, 2012
12:04 pm
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:42 am
No Joe, just enlighning you as to the fact that BO will not be the POTUS next year, and when a new POTUS takes office, he will not be required to give a SOUA…………..Gezz, I was trying to be nice and you had to go be a typical liberal/democrat/progressive/marxist and spew your humorless lies.
td
January 25th, 2012
12:04 pm
“No one thinks of destroying civil society as a community ordered in a civilized war. Quite to the contrary, Social Democracy does not want to break up civil society and make all its members proletarians together; rather, it ceaselessly labors to raise the worker from the social position of a proletarian to that of a citizen and thus make citizenship universal. It does not want to replace civil society with a proletarian society but a capitalist order of society with a socialist one.” Eduard Bernstein[
This is Obama core belief system.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
12:06 pm
@td
January 25th, 2012
11:58 am
Obama is a socialist and believes in Marxism. He is just using the Sal Alisky model of getting us there by using the movement of:
Social Democracy: calls for the profound reformation of capitalism to align it with the ethical ideals of social justice while maintaining the capitalist mode of production, rather than creating an alternative socialist economic system.
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We are not impressed with your copy and paste information.
Anyone can google, copy and paste.
We would be more impressed if those were your words not someone else’s.
Originality is a lost ART.
td
January 25th, 2012
12:07 pm
“Social democracy should neither expect nor desire the imminent collapse of the existing economic system … What social democracy should be doing, and doing for a long time to come, is organize the working class politically, train it for democracy, and fight for any and all reforms in the state which are designed to raise the working class and make the state more democratic.” Eduard Bernstein[
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
12:08 pm
I thought the rebuttal by Larry the Cable Guy was not his best werk.
Partisay
January 25th, 2012
12:09 pm
Wow…td is really smart.
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
12:10 pm
Wow!!!! It’s Saul Alinsky, and how many of you parrots had even heard of him before “Chucky” made mention of him? Why don’t you free thinkers stick to chirping and braying, “Polly want a cracker”?
td
January 25th, 2012
12:10 pm
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
12:06 pm
I have been saying the same thing for years in my own words but Jay is disputing the FACT that Obama is a socialist and quoting a movements own leadership is the best way to prove how wrong he truly is.
td
January 25th, 2012
12:11 pm
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
12:10 pm
I probably knew who Sal Alinsky was before you were born.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
12:11 pm
I hear you Mary Elizabeth. But the absolute hatred of the intellectual life displayed by these Birchers becomes a little much, I must say.
I'm the same height as rapper "LiL Wayne".......Grover Norquist
January 25th, 2012
12:12 pm
Come on Goper’s, you still upset by the President’s speech last night. Are you mad that no one is watching the gop debates(Survivor)? I love when the gop candidates give speeches and the newstations always use TV up-close shots of the candidate so people can’t see that it’s only about 60 people in the audience……funny
The Great President Barack Obama did not move you last night????……ok, how about we go back to a speech that moved and inspiried you. It’s from a couple of years ago
2003 – “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
12:13 pm
td
January 25th, 2012
12:11 pm
I think Sal is his cousin from Jersey.
Paulo977
January 25th, 2012
12:16 pm
gadem :kind of like socialist and other fear mongering words.
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You are correct! They just throw them around and feel they are knowledgeable
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
12:18 pm
@0311/1811
January 25th, 2012
9:47 am
As A Man Thinketh So Is He :
By the way, remember all of the “Hippie – Dippie” communes of the 60’s and 70’s ? How did that work out for you ?
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Yes I remember.
It worked out fine.
I was able to get a good education
Had a great job,
Llived all over the U.S.,
Paid my taxes
Gave to charity
Voted every year
Loved my neighbors
I approached everyone with a prepared forgiveness
I want less
I give more
I am debt free
I am retired and loving life
I look for the face of God in everyone
I THINK IT WORKED OUT FINE.
How about you???????????
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
12:19 pm
(ir)Rational: I’ll take this point by point:
1. I don’t believe I was calling him a fascist, merely an economic fascist. – So he not a fascist but he is an economic FACIST? That’s like calling a murderer and sympathetic murderer but the fact is he/she is a murderer.
2. I never even implied that he was a dictator. But the fact that the government has exercised in the past few years the power to take over companies (GM and Chrysler) and force others to take money they didn’t want and possibly didn’t need (see the statements of several of the large banks after they were forced to take the bailout money) leads me to believe that he is an economic fascist. – (i) In order to be consider fascist one must be a dictor period. (ii) BO didn’t take over GM or Chrysler, both came to the govt. seeking a handout and both agreed to the terms of those handouts. Ford chose not the agree to the terms of the handout and thus withdrew their hands. (iii) TARP was created and administered by Bush with the support of Congress.
3. leads me to believe that he is an economic fascist. He wants to control the economy, while pretending to let it continue being a capitalist economy. – (i) Again, by definition BO is not a fascist or an economic fascist. (ii) See #2 above as it relates to BO WANTING to control the economy. (iii) Stock Market 1/1/2009 – 8776.39; The Stock Market 1/3/2012 – 12397.37; Corporate Profits 1/1/2009 – $1.258 trillion; Corporate Profits 3rd qtr. 2011 – $1.659 trillion (sooo, pretending to let it continue being a capitalist economy does make much sense)
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
12:21 pm
361 — “No Joe, just enlighning you as to the fact that BO will not be the POTUS next year”
So *you* say.
“and when a new POTUS takes office, he will not be required to give a SOUA…”
Well, then you’d better get your butt in gear nominating someone so Obama can beat him like a rented drum.
“………..Gezz, I was trying to be nice”
There are a lot of adjectives I’d apply to you, but “nice” would never be done of them.
“and you had to go be a typical liberal/democrat/progressive/marxist and spew your humorless lies.”
You forgot “honorably discharged disabled veteran” there, nitwit.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
12:26 pm
@Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:52 am
There is ONE positive to the story about our First Lady… Her kids are very smart, seeing how they are already Senior Staffers…. Yes we are in good hands…. Hopefully the President’s kids are influencing his policy….
As a man thinketh so is he…. Just go back to watching American Idol!!!!
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Go back to watching American Idol?
This is what a man THINKETH.
Public ignorance is alive and well on this blog.
(ir)Rational
January 25th, 2012
12:27 pm
Wild Eyes – So, you can’t understand that the term “economic fascist” is different from “fascist.” Thanks for explaining that.
361 more days
January 25th, 2012
12:32 pm
Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe,
Don’t get so bent out of shape, no need for the name calling.
Regarding the last statement, Thank You for your service. Not sure, but does this mean that you can say what you want and it is automatically true? I don;t think so, and the fact tthat you had to bring that up, speaks volumes about you. My friend, you are not the only Honorably Discharged Disabled Veteran on the blog
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
12:32 pm
Stevie Ray @ 12:03 pm,
I never referred, specifically, to the killing of OBL regarding Obama’s foreign policy. You did that. However, since you did, I will say that within a few months in office, Obama directed his Secretary of Defense that one of his first goals – if not #1 – as Commander-in-Chief was to bring Bin Laden to justice. Those within Obama’s administration got that message loud and clear from him, whereas President Bush diffused that message (Google it). I did post that Obama’s foreign policy was “comprehensive and wise” – I was thinking of his overall worldview and how he handles foreign policy with a cogent (another word I used) well-thought-through plan throughout the world. (Google his Nobel Peace Prize Speech to read of his “cogent, comprehensive, wise” foreign policy when he was in office only a few months.) That speech laid out what he would do in foreign policy, and his actions, since having delivered that Nobel Peace Prize Speech, have lived up to his presented ideas in that speech.
I am glad you will read “Age of Greed.” I learned of the book watching C-SPAN 2 over a weekend, when writers of non-fiction books speak to audiences regarding their work. After that, I ordered the book from Amazon. Impressive.
Finally, you write, “What ever happened to those shovel ready jobs for infrastructure improvement?”
He needs “a little help from his friends” – i.e., members of Congress, especially Republicans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBDF04fQKtQ
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
12:32 pm
@I’m the same height as rapper “LiL Wayne”…….Grover Norquist
January 25th, 2012
12:12 pm
Come on Goper’s, you still upset by the President’s speech last night. The Great President Barack Obama did not move you last night????……ok, how about we go back to a speech that moved and inspiried you. It’s from a couple of years ago
2003 – “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”
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What about the speech on WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
It inspired and moved hem to endorse a lie.
As a result our sons, daughters, husbands, uncles, cousins WERE KILLED.
THEY ALL HAVE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.
Be careful who inspires you.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
12:34 pm
CORRECTION
@I’m the same height as rapper “LiL Wayne”…….Grover Norquist
January 25th, 2012
12:12 pm
Come on Goper’s, you still upset by the President’s speech last night. The Great President Barack Obama did not move you last night????……ok, how about we go back to a speech that moved and inspiried you. It’s from a couple of years ago
2003 – “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED”
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It inspired and moved THEM to endorse a lie.
Mr. Right
January 25th, 2012
12:37 pm
If that makes Obama a Marxist, well, then I’m a Marxist too.
You are finally in the open with that! I knew you in the tank for Obama from day one!
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
12:39 pm
361 — “Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Don’t get so bent out of shape, no need for the name calling.”
Then stop calling the President names. And stop calling *me* names. It’s a pretty typical conservative argumentation method, complaining about others doing what you yourself are guilty of.
“Regarding the last statement, Thank You for your service. Not sure, but does this mean that you can say what you want and it is automatically true? I don;t think so”
I neither said nor thought anything of the sort. I’m simply pointing out that for all the pejoratives you tried to pile on me — despite your pathetic bleating about not wanting to be called names yourself — there are a lot of terms that apply to me that you’re quite simply ignorant of. Don’t be so full of yourself and your criticism. We already get that you don’t like President Obama, so grow the eff up and add something substantive to the discussion in here.
“and the fact tthat you had to bring that up, speaks volumes about you.”
The fact that you *complain* about it speaks volumes about *you.*
“My friend, you are not the only Honorably Discharged Disabled Veteran on the blog.”
Yes, but I’m better behaved than you, and I speak of our President in a mature, polite, respectful manner, no matter who he is or which party he belongs to. Clearly you were out on sick call the day that was covered in boot camp.
Mr. Right
January 25th, 2012
12:42 pm
Finally, you write, “What ever happened to those shovel ready jobs for infrastructure improvement?”
He needs “a little help from his friends” – i.e., members of Congress, especially Republicans.
Keystone pipeline ? I think he and he alone was responsible for killing them 20,000 jobs! Stop blaming others.
BLAME IT ON BUSH
January 25th, 2012
12:43 pm
Vote republican = vote against your own best interest. OBAMA is your DAddy
BLAME IT ON BUSH
January 25th, 2012
12:46 pm
NEWT , MITT, LARRY, CURLY, MOE, the best of the GOP……LOL……LOSERS..
homer sipmson
January 25th, 2012
12:50 pm
jb @ 1155 – aaaaaaahhhhhhhhh…..big government
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
12:56 pm
@As A Man Thinketh So Is He
We all thank you for your contribution…. A mind is a terrible thing to waste….
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
1:10 pm
Mr. Right@12:42 pm
The Keystone Pipeline had its unique problems. See http://content.govdelivery.com/attachments/USEOPWHPO/2012/01/18/file_attachments/86267/2012xlpipeline.mem.rel.pdf
In terms of overall infrastructure development, however, Obama could use “a little help from his (Republican) friends.” It is not a matter of “blame”; it is a matter of facts. It is well-established that Republicans have been trying to “starve the beast” of government since the 1970s, even through their own words declaring that to be their mission. (See Paul Krugman’s 2/22/10 column, “The Bankruptcy Boys” and google “ALEC.”)
Look at what as happened in Republican-led Georgia, alone. Public schools will have been defunded by another billion dollars for the coming year (more job loss), and that same amount has been defunded to public schools for the last several years. Republican ideology simply wants to cut more and more government programs. Yes, Obama could use a change in that ideological mission to help create more infrastructure jobs throughout our nation. Balance is needed, once again.
joe
January 25th, 2012
1:22 pm
There’s a gulf of facts between what Barack Obama said last night, and what the truth really is. And like any gulf of resources, Obama doesn’t want you exploring it.
American Tradition Partnership drills down to the truth for you. Obama’s claims on energy are all false. The truth follows his statements.
“Over the last three years, we’ve opened millions of new acres for oil and gas exploration, and tonight, I’m directing my Administration to open more than 75 percent of our potential offshore oil and gas resources.”
Classic Obama sleight of hand. Like his radical Gang Green campaign bankrollers, Obama opposes energy development. But he knows that position will kill his campaign. His solution? Open land to permission to develop so he looks pro-jobs, but refuse to grant the permits so he shuts down jobs.
“…last year, we relied less on foreign oil than in any of the past sixteen years.”
As even the reliably liberal Washington Post notes, “The Energy Department cited a host of reasons why foreign oil imports have declined, noting the main reason was “a significant contraction in consumption” because of the poor economy and changes in efficiency that began “two years before the 2008 crisis” — i.e., before Obama took office.”
“But with only 2 percent of the world’s oil reserves, oil isn’t enough.”
A lie. Many experts say the U.S. has around 10 percent of the world’s reserves, and American oil is often of a higher quality and easier to develop than other countries. The U.S. has enough oil to last over a century.
“This country needs an all-out, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy – a strategy that’s cleaner, cheaper, and full of new jobs.”
Through shutting down granting of permits on land, a moratorium on deep-sea development followed by a virtual moratorium by not approving permits and now attempting to kill the Keystone energy pipeline, Obama has consistently opposed oil and gas development, our most efficient source of energy and a key driver of new jobs and prosperity.
“We have a supply of natural gas that can last America nearly one hundred years, and my Administration will take every possible action to safely develop this energy.”
Obama has worked to stop the permitting of gas wells, and his EPA cronies are working to outlaw the 60-year-old safe practice of “clean water extraction,” known as “fracking.”
“And by the way, it was public research dollars, over the course of thirty years, that helped develop the technologies to extract all this natural gas out of shale rock…”
Clean water extraction, or “fracking” is a 60-year-old technology. It is not a product of Jimmy Carter-era government spending.
“Because of federal investments, renewable energy use has nearly doubled. And thousands of Americans have jobs because of it.”
So-called “renewable” energy relies almost solely on “federal investments” (spending of taxpayer money) because it is too inefficient and expensive to be a practical source of power. Being forced to double wasteful spending to keep it alive and enrich his campaign donors is noting to brag about.
And research has shown so-called “green power,” backed only by government mandates and spending, destroys more jobs than it creates.
“We have subsidized oil companies for a century. That’s long enough. It’s time to end the taxpayer giveaways to an industry that’s rarely been more profitable, and double-down on a clean energy industry that’s never been more promising. Pass clean energy tax credits and create these jobs.”
The so-called “oil subsidy” he refers to is the business equipment depreciation deduction that ALL businesses get. What he proposes is to monkey with federal tax law to target just oil companies for a tax hike, then redistribute their money to his campaign bankrollers in the “green” energy racket.
“Of course, the easiest way to save money is to waste less energy. So here’s another proposal: Help manufacturers eliminate energy waste in their factories and give businesses incentives to upgrade their buildings.”
Like many of Obama’s failed proposals, he assumes private businesses do not know how to create profits, but his government planners do. In reality, this is just a scheme to transfer taxpayers’ money to his campaign supporters who have invested heavily in failed green businesses.
That’s the truth. Help me hold Obama accountable for his job-killing campaign of lies.
Sincerely,
Donald Ferguson
Executive Director
American Tradition Partnership
MightyRighty
January 25th, 2012
1:39 pm
Karl Marx would have been proud that his own failed economic system is still being tried by ignorant sycophants like Barack Obama. Last nights speech on class envy is straight from the Socialist Marxist play book.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
1:42 pm
@Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
12:56 pm
@As A Man Thinketh So Is He
We all thank you for your contribution…. A mind is a terrible thing to waste….
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There are many different thoughts and a variety of states of mind.
It is wise to take a close look into the world of YOUR mind and to make the distinction between beneficial and harmful states of mind.
Once YOU can recognize the value of GOOD states of mind, YOU can increase or foster YOURS.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
1:53 pm
@joe
January 25th, 2012
1:22 pm
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We appreciate your comments. However,
That which is less is often better understood and more appreciated than what is more.
Simplicity is preferable and is more effective than verbosity (Using an excessive number of words).
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
January 25th, 2012
2:39 pm
HDB
January 25th, 2012
8:20 am
What Republicans persist in saying that Obama wants to raise taxes on the “job producers”; if lower taxes create jobs then here’s the question: Where are the jobs??
We have plenty of them where I work. Why? Do you need one?
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
3:22 pm
Hello? is this thing on?
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
3:25 pm
i got a comments closed and now an hour of posts are missing…..
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
3:25 pm
Amvet
It’s just you and me buddy.
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
3:25 pm
Same here, GG.
I guess Paul broke the damn thing again…
Adam
January 25th, 2012
3:26 pm
Granny: I think the post has been accidentally deleted or something
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
3:26 pm
Cool. Who should we talk about? LOL!
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2012
3:27 pm
Dammit Paul! What the heck did you do?!
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
3:27 pm
Earth to Bugs Bunny. Earth to Bugs Bunny. Come in, Bugs.
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2012
3:28 pm
AmVet,
By the way, I love the end of your moniker. Makes me chuckle.
Peadawg
January 25th, 2012
3:29 pm
“a policy that will reduce federal funding to colleges that allow tuition to rise too quickly”
Which will just make the college raise tuition even more….
jewcowboy
January 25th, 2012
3:30 pm
Maybe it was that post of Newt on the beach. The whole thing was taken down by the CDC for public health endangerment.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
3:31 pm
AmVet
Maybe somebody got taken down ….?
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
3:31 pm
jewcowboy
well it made me sick
Adam
January 25th, 2012
3:32 pm
Peadawg: Which will just make the college raise tuition even more….
Only if ALL of them do it.
Kamchak
January 25th, 2012
3:33 pm
Paul broke the blog, again?
Adam
January 25th, 2012
3:33 pm
Ok back to producing then going home for the day. See you kids later. Stay classy.
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
3:35 pm
Thanks, jcb.
First I would like to thank my parents, who supported me during the making of this important moniker.
LOL.
GG, I think what we’ve got here is a failure to communicate!
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
3:37 pm
the cons are all gone?
md
January 25th, 2012
3:39 pm
Probably been mentioned before, but a bit ironic that Ms Jobs was sitting in the balcony as Obama gave his diatribe about offshoring jobs…….good thing Apple doesn’t do that (sarc)………
Thomas
January 25th, 2012
3:39 pm
Stimulus of 800 billion “created” about 3.3 million jobs. With no negative impact to numbers regarding stickiness of said jobs that equates to about 240k per job. Those numbers would have shut down a non profit in charge of job creation for the disabled.
The stimulus was an abject failure just as the war in Afghanistan is and was an abject failure. Everyone needs to wake up and realized that DC is a monetary and economic sieve.
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
3:40 pm
md
And she didn’t storm out in anger or holler you lie or anything silly.
good thing she supports the President (nosarc)
Granny Godzilla
January 25th, 2012
3:41 pm
Thomas
240K per job….Iowa caucus math?
Adam
January 25th, 2012
3:42 pm
Thomas: The stimulus paid for more than the jobs, including some tax cuts. It would be stupid to take the entire amount and divide it by number of jobs.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
3:43 pm
Really leaving now
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
3:45 pm
The stimulus was an abject failure just as the war in Afghanistan is and was an abject failure.
Not for BIG business, they weren’t.
Everyone needs to wake up and realized that DC is a monetary and economic sieve.
Because it is corporate owned territory.
Big business is opposed to socialism until it benefits them.
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
3:47 pm
Here is something to bring a bit of joy and pride to every American…(See? I’m not always an _______!)
(CNN) — Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, who moved the nation with an improbable comeback after a gunman shot her in the head last year, formally resigned Wednesday in an emotional appearance in the U.S. House of Representatives.
“I will recover and will return,” the Arizona Democrat said in a letter read aloud by her friend and colleague, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who fought back tears.
A standing ovation roared across the House chamber for Giffords. Teary-eyed legislators from both parties applauded Giffords as she submitted her letter of resignation to House Speaker John Boehner, who also fought back tears.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called Giffords the “brightest star among us.”
“She has brought the word ‘dignity’ to new heights by her courage,” Pelosi said. “You will be missed in the House of Representatives.”
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/25/politics/gabrielle-giffords/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
HDB
January 25th, 2012
4:06 pm
YOUR party SUCKS! But MINE is GRRRRRREAT! (formerly That Black Guy)
January 25th, 2012
2:39 pm
HDB
January 25th, 2012
8:20 am
” What Republicans persist in saying that Obama wants to raise taxes on the “job producers”; if lower taxes create jobs then here’s the question: Where are the jobs??
We have plenty of them where I work. Why? Do you need one?”
So you are admitting that jobs are becoming available in the Obama Administration?? WOW!! For as many conservatives that keep decrying that there are no jobs available…..that Obama is a “job killer”…..
Thanks for noting the contradiction……
(Nope, I’m working (thanks for the inquiry!)…..but I know of other people who ARE looking!!)
Nobody's Business
January 25th, 2012
4:51 pm
obamas_legacy — “It is probabilistic, not deductive, reasoning that best deals with causal relationships. While we cannot conclude with certainty from the truth of documented facts concerning his Marxist associations that Barack Obama himself is a Marxist, it is reasonable to conclude that there is a significant probability that he is and doing so commits no logical fallacy. So his associations are not, as his defenders maintain, irrelevant as evidence of his own beliefs. They are, in fact, determinant.”
Obama Derangement Syndrome at its finest. ^^^
While no one can conclude with certainty from the truth of documented facts concerning my associations with red-state untra-partisans at home, within my extended family and at home that I myself am a red-state untra-partisan, it is reasonable to conclude that there is a significant probability that I am and doing so commits no logical fallacy.
However, I can assure anyone making that unwarranted assumption (and therefore, logical fallacy) that I myself am most decidedly NOT a red-state untra-partisan.
Nobody's Business
January 25th, 2012
4:52 pm
Er . . . make that ultra-partisan
Paddy O
January 25th, 2012
4:56 pm
actually, the socialist view of him has a lot of merit – he parroted Hillary Clintons “It Takes a Village” emphasis in his state of the union speech last night. American Presidents, whose nation was founded on the rights of the individuals vs. the state, should not be emphasizing how everything was accomplished by people working as a team. What team created Coke? Owns the Falcons? Most private enterprise is individual dependent. Gov’t accomplishments are far more team oriented – getting to the moon, and getting Apollo 13 home. But, the key ethos of the nation is individuals overcoming set backs & barriers and becoming great – which is why we have a President and not a parliament. Obama is singing the wrong song.
Paddy O
January 25th, 2012
4:58 pm
Who thinks giving an inefficient federal bureacracy 30% of your hard earned $$ is wise or desirable? Obama can’t figure out how cut out spending – that is his greatest failure as the leader.
Paddy O
January 25th, 2012
5:13 pm
So, who thinks the Hoover dam could be built today with the current regulation scheme?
Retired Vet
January 25th, 2012
8:33 pm
Steve – USA (I support “None Of The Above”)
January 25th, 2012
9:10 am
Dude, you totally missed Corey’s point. No where did even remotely imply that the worst economic down turn since the great depression should be blamed on Mr. Bush solely. He was merely pointing out that people respond emotionally while leaving logic, reason and facts on the side of the road when it comes to political affiliation. Many on the right constantly believe without merit that unemployment under Mr. Obama was higher longer than any other president since the great depression.The figures do not support that position.
Retired Vet
January 25th, 2012
8:35 pm
oops, should have read highest longer or remained in double digits longer
Tom Middleton
January 25th, 2012
9:16 pm
To those to whom money is God and those who have the most his chosen, we’re all Marxists. But they’re the extremists, of course, and wrong as can be like always.
It’s just the way they see things from their materialistic self-imposed corners of the economy, and there’s little we can do about it, except understand who they are, where they’re coming from, and the fact that we’re the ones standing in the way of their getting even more.
One thing is certain, though, no matter how they try to portray us: There are many more of us than there are of them. And providing they haven’t taken away all of our rights to vote by this November’s election, we should be the ones left standing in charge, and it’ll no longer matter what they think of us at all!
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy
January 25th, 2012
9:34 pm
Jay, I am not as concerned about your psychology as I am your terrific lack of knowledge. Any Obama speech has much more in common with Das Kapital than either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. I would recommend you read “How Marxism Killed Keystone” at Victor Davis Hanson’s website.
Joel Edge
January 26th, 2012
6:32 am
“But those complaints are born of a philosophy that rejects the concept of shared responsibility in the first place.”
You were doing good till you got there, Jay. Get back to me when everybody is paying a share of the tax burden.
Adam
January 26th, 2012
8:15 am
Paddy O: What team created Coke? Owns the Falcons?
Uh… you really think individuals are responsible for this? Only as a team. Maybe it was a small team, maybe it was a large team, but it most certainly was not ONE PERSON that made those two things successful. One does not deserve credit for all of the eventual success of a company or football team (I mean, really?) simply because of an idea or because of initial monetary investment. They HELPED start it, they did not make it successful all on their own, and they also did not build it on their own. An idea without a team to help you build it is a dead idea, or an idea that someone else will pick up and make successful. And then you don’t get any credit at all just because you had the idea first.
Paddy O
January 26th, 2012
7:15 pm
Adam – having the idea first is the basis for patent law. The individual who had the skill & energy to create the company gets the predominant credit. Tell us who else was on the ships with Columbus. Tell us another 100 guys from Patton’s army. This liberal, bankrupt notion that the worker bees are under paid and under appreciated is utopianist crap. If the worker bees don’t like, go create their own product that can’t be lived without. Why is the bomber called the Mitchell? Why is the pilot of the plane given credit for safely landing the plane in the Hudson? The mechanics are relatively irrelevent for the glamorous event, trying to give them credit is the crux of the bankruptcy of modern political liberalism. It is also pollyanna utopianistic drivel. Keep lying to yourself – hopefully most of the rest of the country recognizes BS, and can tell when the emporer is wearing no clothes. If not, we follow Rome.
Paddy O
January 26th, 2012
7:16 pm
Obama was the Saruman of our political times. Wolf in sheeps clothing. Fortunately, even if he wins, we are only stuck with his nincompoop tuckas another 4 years, and most of that time he’ll have a divided congress, at the very least.
truthisjoy
January 29th, 2012
5:06 pm
Obama said he has extra income he doesn’t need…why then did he and his wife take all the tax breaks allowed? Why does he have lavish parties, play golf like its going out of style? Why does he not humble himself and show by example. Jesus and Marxism are in two different zip codes. Obama can try to veil his Marxist beliefs with candy coated words, but his true colors can’t be hid as the truth exposes all duplicity. Marxism forces charity and blows a trumpet. Jesus inspired giving is about humility and not encouraging covetousness! Obama was mentored by Marxist, Communist, anti liberty ideologies. Its not up to Obama who keeps what and who gets what he takes. If the Democrats loved the poor so much, stop playing on rich guilt, repent and give your money away. Total Marxist hypocrites pushing mundane policies.
Matthew 6:2-4
When you give to someone in need, don’t do as the hypocrites do—blowing trumpets in the synagogues and streets to call attention to their acts of charity! I tell you the truth, they have received all the reward they will ever get. But when you give to someone in need, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing. Give your gifts in private, and your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.