Our ‘Marxist in chief’ and the state of our union
Let’s be honest: There is no discernible difference between those who insist that Barack Obama is disqualified by birth from serving as president and those who claim that he is a Marxist or socialist. Both are equally absurd.
Neither group has any factual ground on which to base its inane charges; in their rhetoric, both groups tell us far more about their own internal psychology than they do about the president.
Consider, for example, this portion of last night’s State of the Union address from our “Marxist in Chief”:
First, if you’re a business that wants to outsource jobs, you shouldn’t get a tax deduction for doing it. That money should be used to cover moving expenses for companies like Master Lock that decide to bring jobs home.
Second, no American company should be able to avoid paying its fair share of taxes by moving jobs and profits overseas. From now on, every multinational company should have to pay a basic minimum tax. And every penny should go towards lowering taxes for companies that choose to stay here and hire here in America.
Third, if you’re an American manufacturer, you should get a bigger tax cut. If you’re a high-tech manufacturer, we should double the tax deduction you get for making your products here. And if you want to relocate in a community that was hit hard when a factory left town, you should get help financing a new plant, equipment, or training for new workers.
There were other steps announced as well: “a Trade Enforcement Unit that will be charged with investigating unfair trading practices in countries like China;” a “Financial Crimes Unit” of highly trained investigators to crack down on large-scale fraud; a new education initiative aimed at improving work skills among 2 million Americans; a policy that will reduce federal funding to colleges that allow tuition to rise too quickly, putting them out of reach for many in the middle class.
And then of course there’s this:
“As I told the Speaker this summer, I’m prepared to make more reforms that rein in the long-term costs of Medicare and Medicaid, and strengthen Social Security, so long as those programs remain a guarantee of security for seniors.
But in return, we need to change our tax code so that people like me, and an awful lot of members of Congress, pay our fair share of taxes.
Tax reform should follow the Buffett Rule. If you make more than $1 million a year, you should not pay less than 30 percent in taxes. And my Republican friend Tom Coburn is right: Washington should stop subsidizing millionaires. In fact, if you’re earning a million dollars a year, you shouldn’t get special tax subsidies or deductions. On the other hand, if you make under $250,000 a year, like 98 percent of American families, your taxes shouldn’t go up. You’re the ones struggling with rising costs and stagnant wages. You’re the ones who need relief.
Now, you can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense.
We don’t begrudge financial success in this country. We admire it. When Americans talk about folks like me paying my fair share of taxes, it’s not because they envy the rich. It’s because they understand that when I get a tax break I don’t need and the country can’t afford, it either adds to the deficit, or somebody else has to make up the difference — like a senior on a fixed income, or a student trying to get through school, or a family trying to make ends meet.
That’s not right. Americans know that’s not right. They know that this generation’s success is only possible because past generations felt a responsibility to each other, and to the future of their country, and they know our way of life will only endure if we feel that same sense of shared responsibility.”
That last point is critically important. Those who oppose the president’s tax-reform policies condemn them as divisive and complain that he is pitting Americans against each other. But those complaints are born of a philosophy that rejects the concept of shared responsibility in the first place. That philosophy envisions each of us as separate and isolated units, without obligation to each other or the greater good. It assumes that we are stronger when each of us is selfishly pursuing our own goals without concern for each other or future generations.
I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that this country would have achieved all that it has achieved to date had that philosophy been allowed to determine public policy. As Obama suggested last night, that’s not how we got to where we are; it is not how to get to where we need to be.
If that makes Obama a Marxist, well, then I’m a Marxist too.
– Jay Bookman
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Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
10:58 am
“Hey, it’s not impossible, just highly unlikely!”
Adam,
I dunno there pardner. If we started forcing American companies to bring foreign operations plants back here to the U.S. you don’t think foreign governments would retaliate and do the same? That’s a little naive.
Doom — “Not intended to be a factual statement.”
Except that it is.- Joe Mama
Nope. Just a blanket statement and a little piece of rhetoric. Nothing more. Now you can always trot out an article or 2 about a con “not paying the help” but that wouldn’t mean anything. And I believe you know that.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
10:59 am
Thulsa Doom: “Capitalism’s an *economic* system, not a ’system of freedom,” whatever that’s supposed to be.”
Wrong. Capitalism is, as Marx claimed, a reproduction of a feudal-type of social relations of domination and servitude in modern form which uses an abstract notion of “rights” and “freedom” by consigning them to the category of the political, and which works because people remain in thrall of commodity fetishism (i.e. they make a fetish out of money and goods, thinking that they have mystical value when they are really just a concrete expression of a social relation).
“Yeah. I know that Joe. We all do. But as an economic system it also requires freedom. Of that I’m sure you will agree.”
Dead wrong.
As I’ve mentioned a few times recently, the emergence of powerhouses of efficiency like China and Singapore which are not liberal democracies is a game-changer here. The marriage between liberal democracy and capitalism is over and there is very good evidence that the template for an even more ruthlessly efficient habitat for capitalism is authoritarianism. Capitalism emerged originally out of protestantism, which itself was a kind of secularized form of Christianity, and what we’re now witnessing is the next step in the process where liberal democracy (a further secularized form of protestantism?) is replaced with something entirely different.
By the way, does throwing in phrases like “as Marx said” in your writing qualify you as a Marxist?
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Adam
January 25th, 2012
10:59 am
ty: which is worse, being called a “racist” or a “marxist”?
The person who is engaging in the name calling as though the name is a slur is the “worst.”
getalife
January 25th, 2012
10:59 am
“If you smell what the rock is cooking” Adam Smith.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:01 am
Stevie Ray @ 10:44 am
“Same promises…hopes and dreams…What do you hope for MARY??”
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I hope that Barack Obama is re-elected President of the United States, for a second term, so that our nation can continue the trajectory of 22 months of job creation, and of continuing to climb out of the disaster of a near-hit second Depression. Simple as that.
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:01 am
Doom: If we started forcing American companies to bring foreign operations plants back here to the U.S. you don’t think foreign governments would retaliate and do the same?
I think the ones you listed would have more to lose from doing so.
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:01 am
Mick
January 25th, 2012
10:39 am
doom
“Your theorem about charitable gift giving is preposterous, people don’t identify whether they are a con or lib when they give, it is a sickening, retarded, justification’
Mick,
On the contrary sir. There are studies and surveys done on all kinds of things. Charitable giving amongst political affliliations is no different. As the NYTimes liberal writer whose link I posted on charitable giving demonstrated.
AmVet - Every time a publicly educated neo-con drives on public roads they are Marxists.
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
And as I noted last night, of all the sheer lunacy, lies and sophistry that prevails in the Reverse Robin Hood Party, this ongoing obsession with McCarthyism is arguably the most demented.
The only question that remain is when will the bumbling neo-cons start blacklisting Hollywood folks and ruining the lives of government employees, educators and union activists?
Isn’t it time for you lying neanderthals to crank up a modern day House Un-American Activities Committee?
You know you want to…
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
I’m going to be “producing” for the next few hours. Don’t wait up!
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
“I think the ones you listed would have more to lose from doing so.”
Adam,
You may indeed be right. But do we really want to chance trade wars and ticking off allies?
NAGA
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
Larry – yet another lib who has no clue about US history. Wilson (D) was elected as president in 1912 defeating Taft. The 16th Admendment to the US Constitution was ratified by a mojority of individual states pal like any change to the constitution.
ty webb
January 25th, 2012
11:05 am
Jay,
all ribbing aside(my knee pad comment was simply that, sorry if it offended you)…what did you think of the speech? do you simply judge it as not being “marxist”?
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:06 am
ADAM,
Defense of the status quo…I guess you are ok with all the corruption that occurs. Do you see that nothing will change until we get campaign finance reform, hold electorate accountable for insider trading and prosecute same as Martha Stewart, and take the profit opportunities out of our government? They don’ care about us….they now spend less than 10% of their time on the floor and over 30% of their time raising money at the expense of corrupt policy making…
If you are suggesting that it’s ok to use taxpayer money to enhance wealth by techniques that are criminal outside the beltway then I suggest you consider the true implications of these facts..
Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:06 am
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
“I’m going to be “producing” for the next few hours”
Good for you Adam. I think I’m going to do the same and quit stealing from my employer. I hate it when I get lazy and steal from myself.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 25th, 2012
11:07 am
Well, the one I felt sorriest for last night was Biden. He was doing his best not to go to sleep again during a Obama speech. I just hate to think of what people are going to be saying when he dies and they hold his funeral: “He looks so natural—just the way he always looked at Obama’s SOTU speeches.”
Have a good Hump Day everybody. And I sure hope Bruno is working, cause he won’t be humping at anything else after his girl friend dumped him right in front of all of us.
Erwin's cat
January 25th, 2012
11:08 am
okay Adam, they are not evil by any means (as described by liberals) look at their contributions to govt and private charities…but if you want to focus on the silly “evil” moniker that’s fine..
Ignore your implication that the Reps are just more generous to charities… but that’s easy ’cause they have all (sorry most) of the money anyway
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:08 am
@WOODSTOCK MIKE
January 25th, 2012
9:36 am
Why don’t Democrats give to charity??
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How much DID YOU GIVE?
How much did anyone on this blog give?
GIVE……us a break.
There are more important topics we can discuss.
STOP BEING PETTY.
YOU need to CONTRIBUTE hope, love, compassion to the world. NOT NEGATIVITY.
Steve
January 25th, 2012
11:08 am
I stopped reading after…”Let’s be honest…”
To borrow Jay’s quote….”Lets be honest…” The Presidents speech was full of 25% truths, 50% half truths/lies, and 25% lies…
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:10 am
Best SOTU address ever.
America is back so stop your crying cons and agree.
We are back.
Stand proud Americans.
Steve
January 25th, 2012
11:10 am
What is Obama going to do about his Job Czar…Jeffrey Immelt….sending jobs overseas…or will Immelt get a waiver.
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:11 am
Marxism: the political, economic, and social theories of Karl Marx including the belief that the struggle between social classes is a major force in history and that there should eventually be a society in which there are no classes
Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:12 am
Those people are scary.
Only when they’re bombing a Federal building, or shooting a Congressman, or bombing clinics, or posting websites with personal information about people who work at these clinics, or giving aid and comfort and shelter to those who’ve committed these acts of violence, or driving around with bumper stickers sold by the GOP to “Visualize No Liberals”.
Otherwise they’re just cuddly lil’ fuzzballs.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:12 am
@Thulsa Doom
January 25th, 2012
11:06 am
Adam
January 25th, 2012
11:04 am
“I’m going to be “producing” for the next few hours”
Good for you Adam. I think I’m going to do the same and quit stealing from my employer. I hate it when I get lazy and steal from myself.
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To all of you WHO ARE STEALING from your employer by being on this blog. Shame on you.
Isn’t that a THIEF?
And some of you have the nerve to talk about Obama.
People who LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD NOT THROW STONES.
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:13 am
Make no mistake, our country survived the worst ever w disaster and will not go back to gop power again.
Sane Americans said not on my watch.
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:13 am
Best SOTU address ever.
dunno about that superlative, but it was a darned good STFU address.
Obama is over
January 25th, 2012
11:14 am
Jay @ 10:05
Please cite the primary source of your comment that Romney did not pay ordinary income tax on a salary as head of Bain Capital. Your comment is trying to imply the “carried interest ” tax at 15% is illegal. Right or wrong, it is the way the current tax code works. Wait a minute, STOP THE PRESS!!!!! WEALTHY PEOPLE USE SOPHISTICATED TAX STRUCTURES TO GAME THE SYSTEM!!!!! What a shock! GE employs several hundred accountants at Perimeter Center that spend all of their time mitigating the firm’s tax liabiilty. By depreciating equipment, purchasing tax credits (wind energy credits, low income housing credits, new market tax credits, historic tax credits, Ga. film credits, conservation easements, carbon tax credits, etc), GE paid ZERO income taxes last year. Now that’s what I call a fair share. These tax credits can be purchased at a discount to reduce ordinary income tax by anyone with knowledge, income, and tax liability. With the number of new agencies Obama mentioned last night to be funded by tax incentives, even if the 1% is taxed at a minimum of 30%, they will be able to offset that liability with newly tax credit programs. Or, they will simply incorporate the family office to fit the new reduced corporate rate Obama wants.Guess what? You do whatever is cheaper based on which party controls the White House. Why do you think the corporate income tax was created in the first place? So wealthy company owners will have to pay their “fair share”. The juggling between structuring a family office as a corporation versus paying the individual rate has been going on for over 100 years. I did not hear anything radically new last night. Obama wants to penalize multinational companies in a global economy, forgive principal and ease underwriting standards for underwater home owners, and spend more money from the fuzzy math savings from the Iraq war. One point was very clear: Obama offered no specific plans on how to pay for all of this stuff other than raising taxes. With alll the new Government agencies and regulations, the only growth plan in Obamaland is Governent employment.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:14 am
. . .as well as a foreign policy that is cogent, comprehensive, and wise. . . and one that is, again, respected throughout the world.
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:15 am
Seal team six does it again and rescues hostages last night.
Our President told Panetta great job last night and that was what he was talking about.
Our President is on a roll and can’t be stopped.
He is one of the best ever and you cons know it.
Acer706
January 25th, 2012
11:16 am
Obama knows that companies cannot flock back to the US unless we abolish a “minimum wage.”
Penalizing companies already outsourcing jobs overseas creates an incentive to move out of the US completely… Right?
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
I forget about when they’re saying those impregnated by rape have been given “the gift of human life,” and thus should “accept what God has given to you.”
That’s pretty scary too.
More garbage from Midori
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
Your “so called” quote is from the Bozo, Borowitz. I guess that’s why you didn’t site your source.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
API: Federal threats of cracking regulation ‘chilling’ investment
Obama is pretty close to being a socialist
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:17 am
jaysus xmas on a stick, who was that booing at “insurance companies
can no longer charge different rates for women?”- who would boo that?
other than scumsucking for-profit insurance audience-plant whores
of course
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:18 am
MARYELIZABETH,
Please…your assumption that any of those things have remotely any connection to policies of congress or BO, you are nuts. Economists can’t even agree on whether any amount of (deficit in this case) spending of taxpayers cash to “create jobs’ that are permanent government jobs….
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:18 am
Czars? Realy? they’re still whingeing about Czars?
These morons can’t even get their Russian-despot analogies right.
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:18 am
who would boo that?
see my post @ 11.17.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:19 am
All of obama’s solutions jay quotes in section one are more examples of government engineering of a political economy
And a crummy one
O sux
Normal
January 25th, 2012
11:20 am
Stands,
I love this reply from your post…cleaned up some, of course…
No, The Frothy One makes a lot of sense here — after all, God himself raped the Virgin Mary, told her to shut the f–k up about it, and behold! right in time for Christmas, all the happy cultists got themselves a little bundle of joy. Amen.
So, really, what callous, selfish woman wouldn’t want to carry her rapists’ seed to term, just on the off-chance that the guy with the bad breath and the box cutter wasn’t, you know, the Holy Spirit on his off-day and that the not-so-much-of-a-love child might grow up to be Beethoven?
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:20 am
Obama passed on the opportunity to reform the tax code
He abandoned Simpson Bowles
More O fail
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:21 am
GETALIFE,
Agreed on hostage recovery. My problem is that BO is no different than Bush using drones to assassinate those who pose absolutely no threat to our shores…Killing Bin Laden was nothing but ceremonial….just like your pals rhetoric about hope and change…
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:22 am
jm.
willard lost to the newt.
The newt.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:22 am
Jay has the whole things backwards
Jesus
He must live in a house of mirrors
The Fallen
January 25th, 2012
11:22 am
My question, I guess, is how do the “we are not Marxists folks” on the left reconcile their position with the US slipping on the list of economically free countries of the world?
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
Jm: Socialism: a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies
Soooo, Feds threat at cracking regulations is the same as the government wanting to own and control companies instead of individuals?
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
lil stevey wonder,
“Killing Bin Laden was nothing but ceremonial”
Ceremonial?
Are you even American?
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
Jay you’re a Marxist
Buy not for the reason you cite
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
January 25th, 2012
11:23 am
other than scumsucking for-profit insurance audience-plant whores
of course
Hey! Be a little sensitive. Thulsa Doom got feelings too, you know.
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:24 am
He abandoned Simpson Bowles
be glad he didn’t kick them in the balls, which had been my recommendation.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:25 am
Wold eyes
What part of “control” don’t you understand?
stands for decibels
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
Just a reminder–there was never a “Simpson Bowles Commission” report. There was a cheezy memo those two guys wrote when they couldn’t get a consensus with their committee of corporatist weenies.
This is what the Third Way concern-troll set saw as the salvation, for some bizarre reason.
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
As I read the Obama envy off the charts today, I see victory.
Everything you cons write are sore loser lies and bs and we all know it.
Killing obl was not ceremonial, it was one of our greatest come backs.
We are back so start acting like Americans cons or I will blast you off this blog and send you back home to kyle’s slow blog..
Got it cons?
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:27 am
Fallen: Marxism: the political, economic, and social theories of Karl Marx including the belief that the struggle between social classes is a major force in history and that there should eventually be a society in which there are no classes
Are you implying that slipping on the list of economically free country is the same as a society of no classes?
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:29 am
@Bruno
January 25th, 2012
9:08 am
So he wants to create 3 more federal agencies, FORCE children to stay in school until they are until 18, force states to chip in and spend for his ideas on education, etc.
aparently we’re too dumb to negotiate our own mortgages, choose our own lightbulbs. Not to worry, Big Brother will take care of it all for us.
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No not aparently you’re dumb. You are dumb.
You were dumb when you let George W. Bush sell you fools a bill of goods about WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. How did that work for ya?
Ask all of the DEAD soliders how dumb you all were.
All of you who went along with Bush for 8 years HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.
So don’t talk about Obama like he is an idiot.
We all know now who were DUMB.
ALL OF YOU.
(ir)Rational
January 25th, 2012
11:29 am
Wild Eyes – I’ll grant to most of the liberals or whomever that he isn’t a true socialist. More of an economic fascist. After all, economic fascism is simply socialism with a capitalist veneer to make it seem more palatable to the people. It is a system of economics where businesses are privately owned, but controlled by the government. Whether through strict regulations or actual control. Of course, the people on here will tell you that it is impossible for him to be an economic fascist, because they’re convinced that all fascists are right-wing, but the truth speaks for itself.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
11:30 am
Thulsa Doom, no interest in trying to defend your claim that democracy and freedom go hand in hand?
Yet again, today, I’m noticing a complete no-show here among our con friends at the level of actual intellectual analysis.
Is this asking too much of them perhaps?
Navy Vet
January 25th, 2012
11:31 am
Truthy Man said it all!
gm
January 25th, 2012
11:31 am
Could some brain washed fox news right wing nut jobs answer this for me? If govn regulations are stopping business for hiring, according to USA today there has been a increase in 54K salaries by CEO’S .
I wonder are there any people on the right have the guts to ask Mitt about that, but he tells the right Obama does not get it , most Americans other then the brain wash, rush limbaugh fools understand it, he wants to go back to the Bush years where he can gut business and make his cool millions and lay of thousands more, and tell poor whites he understand their pain, and some would vote for him, go figure
Navy Vet
January 25th, 2012
11:31 am
Truth Man said it all!
The Fallen
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Wild…I am simply pointing out the correlation between a POTUS who is trying to take this country hard left and the impact on economic freedom.
Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Obama spent an hour lying to America
Fire him
361 more days
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
It will be so good next year that we will not have to listen to BO’s BS at the SOUA
A question?
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
So..uh, nothing about freedom in his reelection campaign speech, oops I mean state of the union.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Doom — “Nope. Just a blanket statement and a little piece of rhetoric. Nothing more.”
Translation: LALALALALA DOOMY CANT HEAR U
Now you can always trot out an article or 2 about a con “not paying the help” but that wouldn’t mean anything. And I believe you know that.”
I know it means nothing to *you,* but you’re beside the point.
Is Wal-Mart still telling its new hires how to apply for food stamps and health care benefits for the indigent?
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
11:34 am
If America is in decline and companies are being over-regulated, how are they making these record profits?
A question?
January 25th, 2012
11:34 am
Yea! More government agencies, I sure Jay and pals just love that.
Stevie Ray
January 25th, 2012
11:34 am
GETALIFE,
Yes, the OBL killing was at best, ceremonial. He posed no further threat to our shores and was in hiding with his porn…if we really wanted to get something out of him, we should have simply taken him and interrogated for info then sent him to prison…I hear Guantanamo is still open. Would you object to waterboarding OBL?
Also,
You are nowhere near clever enough blast anyone out of this blog….are you suggesting your use of routine talking points is enough to scare anyone who disagrees with you? Really?
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:36 am
Doom — “Good for you Adam. I think I’m going to do the same and quit stealing from my employer. I hate it when I get lazy and steal from myself.”
Mao Tse-Tung — “Do not steal a thimble or even a piece of thread from the People.”
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:37 am
Stevie Ray@11:18
“Please…your assumption that any of those things have remotely any connection to policies of congress or BO, you are nuts. Economists can’t even agree on whether any amount of (deficit in this case) spending of taxpayers cash to “create jobs’ that are permanent government jobs.”
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Let me rephrase, and insert the actual facts regarding job growth for the past 22 months:
“I hope that Barack Obama is re-elected President of the United States, for a second term, so that our nation can continue the trajectory of 22 months of PRIVATE SECTOR job creation, and of continuing to climb out of the disaster of a near-hit second Depression. Simple as that.”
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And, be sure you catch my addendum, to that statement, posted at 11:14 am:
“. . .as well as a (Obama’s) foreign policy that is cogent, comprehensive, and wise. . . and one that is, again, respected throughout the world.”
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I urge you to read Jeff Madrick’s newly published book, “Age of Greed.” Madrick is a former economics columnist for The New York Times.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/185-6361171-2759341?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=age+of+greed&x=17&y=19
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BTW, I do not find it necessary to call other bloggers “nuts” – demeans the overall dialogue.
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:37 am
Redneck Convert – huh? well bless his heart, that explains a lot.
I will quit laughing at his accounting, too.
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:38 am
(ir)Rational: Fascism – a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government
So, you are saying BO is a dictator that controls all of the corporations in this country and these corporation cannot disagree with BO? If so, why doesn’t BO just tax the corporation as he sees fit?
My problem is with the use of marxism, socialism and fascism is that people outright refuse to look of the definition of the word and use it in its proper context.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:38 am
@Ross Perot
January 25th, 2012
9:16 am
Or would you prefer to give him an open check book with no accountability? It worked real well for the Energy Department investments into companies like Solyndra.
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Pot calling the kettle black?
You gave George W. Bush an open checkbook to send our sons, daughters, husbands, fathers to war on a lie that there were WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
The only mass destruction was the millions and millions and millions of dollars wasted on a LIE.
You all OWE the DEAD SOLIDERS and their families an apology for opening up the checkbook to George W. Bush.
How dare all of you talk about this president when your hands are dirty and bloody.
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:39 am
Ha, Here something for thought…
The most accountable administration ever: Judicial Watch said the U.S. Air Force provided a C-32 – a Boeing 757 modified by the military for the purpose of flying big-wigs around the world – to fly the First Lady and her entourage to and from Africa , at a cost of $424,142. Another $928.44 was listed as the cost of providing 192 meals for the 21 people who made the trip The Obama daughters were listed on the manifest as “senior staff.”
I can already see the change… LOL… You people need to wake up! This is just one of many reasons to vote these clowns out of office….
gm
January 25th, 2012
11:40 am
Could some one please tell me what was Newt accomplishment in Georgia? how many jobs with his influence did he bring to Georgia? How has he made life better for poor whites in rur l areas of Georgia that are supporting him?
Will he take the parents in rural l Georgia janitor jobs and give it to the students?
AT
January 25th, 2012
11:41 am
What stinks of Marxism is the general idea and push, by the government (and that point is most important) that everyone should do what “everyone”(that being the gov’t again) thinks is best for society. The idea that individuals do not have a right to their own property, (ie should be taxed more because they have it). And for whatever reason, (it doesn’t matter the reason), simply because “we” as Obama puts it, think that it should be used for something else.
From Marx:
“Capital is a collective product, and only by the united action of many members, nay, in the last resort, only by the united action of all members of society, can it be set in motion. ”
Marx’s view on the ownership of capital is only expanded to other parts of society such as education, the family, etc. The growth of government control trends toward Marxism, by definition. Freedom trends the other way.
Freedom is difficult for many to accept. It means ditching the power of the collective and doing things on your own. More frightening than that is the idea of letting other people have that same freedom.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:41 am
@Jm
January 25th, 2012
11:32 am
Obama spent an hour lying to America
Fire him
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George W. Bush spent 8 years lying to America.
His BIGGEST LIE WAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.
Why didn’t you FIRE HIM.
Everyone who went along with that lie has the blood of dead soliders on your hands.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:42 am
361 — “It will be so good next year that we will not have to listen to BO’s BS at the SOUA”
I’m pleased that Comcast finally caught up with you and is cutting your cable service off.
Aquagirl
January 25th, 2012
11:42 am
if we really wanted to get something out of him, we should have simply taken him and interrogated for info then sent him to prison…
If he was no threat, why would we interrogate him for non-existent information?
The embarrassment of cons over Bin Ladin’s killing knows no bounds. I never thought I’d see another purported American poo-poo the elimination of this murderous terrorist. But once again, a con sinks to the occasion.
I suggest you drop SEAL Team Six a note and share your feelings about their meaningless ceremonial mission. Good luck with that.
willie lynch
January 25th, 2012
11:42 am
Let me understand the right. It was a good idea to spend over 2 trillion dollars fighting a war based on a lie, but it was a bad idea to spend 700 billion to save American jobs and industries? That’s some logic.
Joe Hussein Mama
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
Hmm –”The most accountable administration ever: Judicial Watch said”
Citation, please.
Halftrack
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
The “key” word is “Fair”. Please define that word into a percentage of income that people should pay. Our Nation was not made on the assumpation that the government would keep them up. The “pilgrims” tried such an experiment. Their solution was that no one who did not work would not eat!” The polls show that almost 50% of citizens in the Country do not pay any “income taxes”. If Obummer is wanting everyone to have “skin in the game” then everyone should pay at least a dollar in income tax. Fair Tax should then go from that starting point and up.
Wild Eyes
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
Fallen: “I am simply pointing out the correlation between a POTUS who is trying to take this country hard left and the impact on economic freedom.” – Well if that’s your opinion then state that but calling the POTUS a Marxist is an improper usage of marxism and is completely opposite of this great democracy. By the way, what economic freedoms have been impacted?
Nope
January 25th, 2012
11:43 am
The funny thing is, all of you right wing extremists are just driving moderates right into the voting booth to pull the lever for Obama. You are even forcing the only candidate who could possibly appeal to moderates — Romney — so far right he will eventually just fall off the political radar.
(ir)Rational
January 25th, 2012
11:44 am
Wild Eyes – So, I didn’t give you a definition of economic fascism? I mean, I thought I did. I don’t believe I was calling him a fascist, merely an economic fascist. I can see the difference, can you? I never even implied that he was a dictator. But the fact that the government has exercised in the past few years the power to take over companies (GM and Chrysler) and force others to take money they didn’t want and possibly didn’t need (see the statements of several of the large banks after they were forced to take the bailout money) leads me to believe that he is an economic fascist. He wants to control the economy, while pretending to let it continue being a capitalist economy.
To answer your question about him taxing as he sees fit. If he thought there was any precedent that would ever let him get away with that, do you not think he would have already done so? Oddly enough though, there is this thing called the Constitution that doesn’t allow him that power. Crazy.
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:44 am
willie,
Surely you are not that DENSE! He spent 700 billion to make rich people richer…. Good Grief man, wake up!
godless heathen
January 25th, 2012
11:45 am
from the President’s speech: “Now, you can call this class warfare all you want. But asking a billionaire to pay at least as much as his secretary in taxes? Most Americans would call that common sense.”
How come all you nit-picking weinies didn’t go all “You do know that a billionaire would pay more in actual dollars than his secretary” on the President.
Keep, are you going to assume that the President doesn’t know the difference between rate and amount?
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Boehner has no lips at all. That’s freaky.
And Newt is firmly against the Buffet rule, obviously.
gm
January 25th, 2012
11:46 am
Will newt come to rural areas where poor whites are on food stamps and tell them to have character and work ethic, also will Newt explain to them how important it is to have family values?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 25th, 2012
11:47 am
Morning, Mary Elizabeth. What’s a nice person like you doing in a nasty den of Birchers like this?
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:47 am
@getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
As I read the Obama envy off the charts today, I see victory.
Everything you cons write are sore loser lies and bs and we all know it.
Killing obl was not ceremonial, it was one of our greatest come backs.
We are back so start acting like Americans cons or I will blast you off this blog and send you back home to kyle’s slow blog..
Got it cons?
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BREAKING NEWS
Obama’s administration and the navy seals rescued two hostages from Somalia.
Obama is WINNING.
Get use to it.
As A Man Thinketh So Is He
January 25th, 2012
11:50 am
@getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:26 am
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CORRECTION:
BREAKING NEWS
Obama’s administration and the navy seals rescued two hostages from Somalia.
Obama is WINNING.
THEY NEED to get use to it.
The Fallen
January 25th, 2012
11:51 am
Please point out where I called the POTUS a “marxist” I absolutely made no such claim. What I said was “POTUS who is trying to take this country hard left and the impact on economic freedom”.
I think someone else should look before they leap.
As for economic freedoms impacted by Obama, I will start with the easy ones, Obamacare and at least 46 new regulations on private industry that ar estimated to impose at least $100 million worth of compliance costs to the private industry. Big government growth doesn’t happen in a vacuum. There are opportunity costs associated with that growth.
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:52 am
Hi Welcome – good to “see” you. You know my DNA is full of “preacher mission” tendencies! Got to preach to the “lost,” I guess! Can’t help it!
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:52 am
There is ONE positive to the story about our First Lady… Her kids are very smart, seeing how they are already Senior Staffers…. Yes we are in good hands…. Hopefully the President’s kids are influencing his policy….
As a man thinketh so is he…. Just go back to watching American Idol!!!!
A question?
January 25th, 2012
11:53 am
Freedom be damned, just make it “fair”
getalife
January 25th, 2012
11:53 am
Obama is WINNING.
Of course, he is a winner and cons are sore losers.
If these cons talk like traitors they should be reported as traitors.
See something say something and I see many traitors on this blog.
Watch your mouths cons.
Big Sis is watching you.
Especially lil stevie wonder and his love for obl.
Hmmmmmmmmm
January 25th, 2012
11:54 am
Hopefully Mary Elizabeth is looking in the Mirror while she preaches…. One could only hope!
Erwin's cat
January 25th, 2012
11:54 am
Hmmmm…….“As a man thinketh so is he…. Just go back to watching American Idol!!!!
he can’t…Mom’s redecorating the basement!
JB
January 25th, 2012
11:55 am
If you like:
1. Big government
2. Huge debt
3. uncontrolled spending
4. heavy, job killing regulations
5. High energy cost
6. high taxes
7. high unemployment
8. comfort care, not health care for our seniors
9. low morale
10. unfunded entitlements
You have the right guy in Obama
Mary Elizabeth
January 25th, 2012
11:57 am
I always “Look in the Mirror.” It’s called “Reflection,” a state-of-mind I strongly urge for all.
Andy Dufresne (from St Simons)
January 25th, 2012
11:57 am
there may be something America cannot achieve, Mr President
a lower lip & chin for Mitch the Turtle