Why the Gingrich win bodes poorly for the GOP

Ha!

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The “funny” thing is that if the Republicans managed to get Newt, for example, in the White House, they’d call it a “win”. Okay, maybe funny is the best choice of word. How about I take a word from Boehner’s playbook — pathetic.

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SC voters are not Conservative…they proved that saturday by voting for gingrich. They are simply republican…Romney’s road map for success is simple, answer every question with an attack on the media. Economy? “Mainstream media’s fault”… Jobs? “mainstream media’s fault”… foreign policy? “mainstream media’s fault”…oh, and his opening statement for the next debate should be him punching the moderator in the face.

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@ bruno.. so very very true.. but hey.. its part of the liberal editorial board guidelines.. no free thinking anymore and you have to blog about what you are told to. kind of like working in a chinese factory or something.. hmm.. wonder if they live in dorms at the ajc?

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You would think with his experience from the last GOP primary he would have at the very least polished up his message or the delivery of said message.

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Poor Mitt was confronted with an enemy that he had not anticipated ’til then — BizarroNewt and the “look, there, up in the skyscraper, it’s a Wall Street job killer that pays less taxes than me! Let’s see if he can fly.”

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I find it funny as hell that a party who’s goal is to make Obama a one-term president is doing everything in their power to ensure him a 2nd term.

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Still don’t care. I’m not voting for any of these jerks, they and could not possibly give less of a poop who the Repubs in Iowa or S.C. like better. They all make me want to hurl. Eight more days of “news” people probing and sharing with us what they find inside the heads of conservative Floridians? BLECCCHHHH! Time to change the channel before my breakfast comes back up.

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“Look at what happened: In a Republican primary in a deeply conservative state, Gingrich rode to victory by employing the Democratic line of attack against Mitt. What does that tell you about the power of that critique in the general election, among a much less conservative electorate? ”

Actually Gingrich rode to victory by clearly winning the last 2 debates, being able to hold his grown on personal attacks, and articulating his message better than the other candidates. The reason Romney lost South Carolina is because of Romney. He looked unsure, unconvincing, and out of touch with the electorate in the last two debates.

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Keep

Maybe it’s meaningless because Jay says it means something. You know, everything a liberal says will be diametrically opposed by conservatives.

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Romney will get better as time passes and his message improves. Gingrich is a scumbag…representing all he uses to attack Romney…I really like Gingrich when he entered the race but my opinon has done a 180 with his shoutdown, avoidance of key issues, and sleazy approach to the race.

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All this time, most folks were expecting Newt to announce that he had picked Michelle Bachmann or something similar as his “Hail Mary” pass. No one expected it to be Newt clinching the Republican nomination by running on the Democratic ticket.

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Romney is simply an unlikable candidate. He might end up the nominee, like a John Kerry (to whom he’s often compared), and he might get every vote *against* Obama in the general election, but who’s going to get passionate about a Romney nominee? Let’s at least pick a nominee who voices what we feel’s really going on in Washington. You tell ‘em, Newt!

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Let’s size up the candidates for the GOP nomination!

Romney wants to be the CEO of the US.
Gingrich wants to be the national scold.
Santorum wants to be the American ayatollah.
Paul wants to be our nutty grandfather.

Who deserves our vote? None of the above.

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Well, I don’t care what excuse you use to explain old Newt’s thumping of Mr. Mormon Underpants. The plain fact is, us rednecks voted for Newt because Romney ain’t Washed in the Blood of the Lamb. I know, Newt’s a Catholic and is probly going to wind up in the hot place when he passes on, since Catholic ain’t a real Christian religion either. But at least Newt’s religion ain’t based on some guy finding a bunch of gold tablets in a orchard or something. I mean, I’ve seen better excuses for being out running around from folks down at the warehouse.

Anyhow, it’s a pity a rich guy like Romney has to go out and mix with the mob to be President, but what he really needs is a down-home Conversion. Maybe he could arrange to drop in on a tent revival or something like that and publicly see the Error of His Ways. What he’s doing now ain’t working and won’t never work.

Newt for President. He might could be a womanizer and a sinner but at least he’s kinda one of us. I mean, all of us slip up every day and we got Lust in Our Heart but a little prayer takes care of everything.

Have a good lunch everybody. Speaking of which, them beenie-weenies are going to taste mighty fine today.

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Well Bruno, considering that I posted a shorter version of this Saturday night in the comments, adding that I intended to flesh it out more in a later post, maybe you can now use your “predictive” powers to tell us whether New England will beat Baltimore yesterday.

You’ll have to trust my timeline, but the prediction was made at 4 AM on Saturday night at the hotel when I saw how soundly Newt trounced Mitt. Trust me, we weren’t consulting the Bookman blog at that time

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I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Karl Rove, or one/some of his close associates or proteges, is working closely with Newt’s team, IMO. I said at the time that I believed Newt’s camp (possibly with Rove’s help) to be behind the chick-nuking of Herman Cain’s campaign, and here we have more Rovian tactics — directly attacking the perceived strengths of an opponent — being applied to Romney (and with, again, positive results for Gingrich).

As a Democratic voter, I fear a Romney candidacy more than I fear a Gingrich one (IMO Romney has more crossover appeal and is more likely to peel off disaffected moderates from Obama), but it is my opinion that Newt and his team are playing serious, serious hardball in the primary. Romney will certainly have to up his game in order to recover now.

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http://justcapshunz.icanhascheezburger.com/2012/01/17/funny-captions-hindenburg-recalculating-turn-left-into-destination/

I know, I know, off topic…But I just can’t get excited about either newt or Mitt

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the cons found out his Dad was born in Mexico and they will get some karma on his birth certificate.

History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce. I’ll enjoy the farce. (Mind you, the sideshow won’t be anywhere near as noisy when it’s going to be snide lefties reminding conservatives about how they tried to leverage Birther stupidity.)

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Brosephus — “I spoke with him five minutes ago and he was being detained indefinitely,” Paul spokesperson Moira Bagley said Monday morning. “The image scan went off, he refused patdown.”

Sir, I respectfully request that you post any sort of hilarious details you can that you are not (by law or by agreement) bound to hold in confidence. Inquiring minds really, really want to know.

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JAY,

You are incorrect. The inept BO is chuckling over the drone strike that killed some non-threatening guy in Somolia…or it could be that he is closing in on the Billion Dollar campaign war-chest…perhaps he found another GSachs executive to appoint, or maybe he paid off another campaign bundler with yet another “green” stimulus grant….

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You guys seem to think the “fixed your typo” thing is high humor around here.

And by “you guys” I guess you mean someone you mistook for me.

Or, put another way–pretty sure I last fried someone’s tamale was at least a year or so ago.

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Prediction: New England will beat Baltimore

You seem to be forgetting about the point spread, Carlos.

New England lost in the only venue that matters, the Vegas betting houses.

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I also am wondering… If the repubs want to make BO a 1 termer how can they do it if everyone running on the ticket make each other seem like scumbags?

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Joe H

I can’t find anything yet. I’ll see if I can get the scoop later on though.

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“Again, these are conservative voters in a conservative state, in an election cycle in which the economy will be the defining issue. And yet they clearly sided with a candidate who conducted “a frontal assault on free enterprise,” to use Romney’s description.”

Sooooo…….. Conservative Republicans are really Progressive Democrats with an identity crisis?

So it would seem.

I love politics.

aaannnndddd…. Redneck Convert just kicked a 90-yard, game-winning field goal!

“Newt for President. He might could be a womanizer and a sinner but at least he’s kinda one of us.”

Newt’s new campaign slogan.

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In line with Democrats using Newt’s attack to their advantage, seems Romney has finally decided to do the same.

Newt wanted Romney to release his tax returns by saying ‘what’s he hiding? Is something wrong? We need this vetted now, we don’t need an October surprise.”

Listening to the radio coming home, I hear Romney

– call for Newt to release his Freddie contract, using the same reasons

– call for Newt to release the entire record of the ethics investigation when he was fined and dumped as Speaker, using the same reasons.

Mr. Grand Ideas doesn’t down the road very well.

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It is sad that in this country people seem to vote for the loudest, most boorish, candidate than a reasoned, steady person with a great economic and personal track record. I guess we will truly get what we deserve if we get another Obama term. If he gets another 4 years unfettered by any discipline forced upon a first term president, this country is doomed.

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Sooooo…….. Conservative Republicans are really Progressive Democrats with an identity crisis?

Paul

I think you’ve got a stellar business opportunity sitting right in front of you. I can see a need for thousands upon thousands of political ideology tracker calendars that are waiting to be sold.

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It is sad that in this country people seem to vote for the loudest, most boorish, candidate than a reasoned, steady person with a great economic and personal track record.

Chalk it up to the unseen consequences of striving for ideological purity. Sometimes, it’s the moderates that provide the necessary balance to the ideological pure to give the party equilibrium. When you run the moderates off, you end up with an uneven boat.

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Stevie Ray@11:40 “Romney will get better as time passes and his message improves.”

This is Romey’s second trip down this path. He is what he is.

IMHO

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Baltimore gave that game to New England.

I said repeatedly that in the first quarter, when they went for that FG instead of going for it on fourth and less than one from the three, that they were gonna lose that game.

And poor Billy Cundiff. Jeez, was that ugly with a capital U…

And B, I did notice how my first lil dancing queen took a liking to PB as well. And vice versa.

Oh yeah, baby…

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My hypothesis is the reason for Gingrich’s bump is the fact that he “shouted down” that CNN dude to start debate…could it be that the mainstream media’s favorability rating is akin to Congress? His only finer debate points had to do with Romney’s work experience as opposed to a debate on the issues..

Romney does remind me physically of Bulworth….one of my favorite movies…if he’d just start rapping…

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Newt up in FL polls

Yikes

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The newt is positioned with our President on fairness for all Americans in our economy and not just for the wealthy like willard.

We know the wealthy does not need any more welfare but the gop will still fight for it.

The newt moved left.

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Jay – “Romney’s religion had to have played a role in that kind of outcome.”

Just curious… How much does Obama’s religion influence your decision to vote for him?

I realize you liberals have low regard for Christians, but if you think a whole bunch of people in SC are so stupid they walked into the polling place and said “the economy doesn’t matter, entitlements don’t matter, unemployment doesn’t matter, I’m voting for the Christian”, you’re an idiot.

In fact, it would serve you well to pay attention to the public’s reaction to Gingrich’s comments about the news media and people like you who’s sole purpose for being in the media is to get democrats elected, regardless of the truth, the issues, facts, or anything else. You’re famous for leaving out the part of the story that doesn’t fit that agenda, Jay. There is no “journalism” in that.

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Normal, what a hoot.

I’m amazed at both the ideas some people come up with and also the amount of spare time they obviously have on their hands!

Since Newt is the Head Hypocrite of the Known Universe, the American people should lambaste him endlessly about his serial diddlings.

I just wish I could “interview’ him on that topic. He’d blow a venal gasket within thirty seconds and have to be taken away in a stretcher…

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Newt was able to “shout down” the CNN guy with his moral outrage because the question was poorly worded and not specifically related to his hypocriscy and his so-called family values. His response was basic attack the questioner. But the Republican base accepts this tactic…from Cain to Newt.

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SC GOP primary voters actually thought Newt would be more electable…?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204301404577175480758093506.html

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I have a low regard for the sleazy, hyper-hypocritical Christians, like Newt.

The type that Gandhi wrote about.

That so many are willing to win, wink, nudge, nudge his repeated adultery all under the rug is their cross to carry.

I think Slick Willy should start doing ads for him!

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Bull dookey.

We have no regard for faux christians.

particularly those Christians who claim to speak on behalf of all Christians, and who go crying “anti-christian bigotry!” any time one of their radical clerics is called on his bullsh-t.

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RB

As usual YOU leave out what doesn’t meet your agenda…………

Let us see here……….

http://online.wsj.com/video/gingrich-courts-evangelical-vote-in-sc/A5525E6F-FD8C-4908-8C06-8E1353FADE99.html

WOW even the WSJ talks about Newt and conservative Christians

Are they also part of that “liberal media” conspiracy that angers you and keeps you awake?

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Y’all quit picking on RB!!! He can’t help it if he didn’t read the polls or news that came from conservative outlets.

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Keep: “Newt was able to “shout down” the CNN guy with his moral outrage because the question was poorly worded and not specifically related to his hypocriscy and his so-called family values”

So true. It was a floating curve that hung over the plate for Mighty Casey to send sailing over the right field wall.

Amazing, and no matter how long John King’s journalistic career lasts, this slip-up ought to be listed in the first paragraph of any future Wikipedia write-up on his career.

How intellectually lazy is a media that simply asks a master rhetorician like Newt Gingrich such a craven, open-ended question like “do you care to comment on that?”

What are they, blithering idiots not to have known that the question should have been formulated to force Newt to address the hypocrisy in his pursuit of Clinton and should have been the 3rd or 4th question that was asked, not the first. Unbelievable.

Oh, yeah, silly me, the same media I suppose that is so decayed and decadent in terms of fulfilling an authentic purpose that it finds time to muse aloud whether it’s role is to be a truth vigilante or not.

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“Some of you here might not possibly be afraid for Obama to get in the ring with him, would you?? I’m betting on a TKO in 2.”

If I were you I would keep my money in my pocket.

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RB

Even Fox is in on the “liberal media” conspiracy……….

“Fox News exit polls show that Gingrich overwhelmingly carried the evangelical vote. ”

Who would have thought Fox, RB?

man…. what we will do?

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Granny Godzilla

Ann Coulter: “she says that with Gingrich you throw out the baby and keep the bathwater. She also said that Gingrich is the least conservative of the four candidates left in the race”

http://pohdiaries.com/ann-coulter-newt-gingrich-baby-bathwater/

Peadawg

It would appear it’s many Republicans are “obviously scared of Newt.”

getalife

Background music for the high fives in the White House over Newt’s win and lead in the FL polls:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL0Qt7IF8Q4#t=00m23s

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It bodes well for President Obama. He would make Newt look like “an old pair of shoes”

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stands, I understand the cynicism. I can’t imagine that any respectable journalist would play patsy for the set up but I have been surprised before.

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Occupation

“do you care to comment on that?””

It seems he offered an open-ended question to give Newt the opportunity to state his case, period. The question did not imply guilt or innocence. It merely noted a major late-breaking story and asked for comment.

To have phrased it any other way would have led to charges of bias.

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King, I think, deliberately played setup/straight man and fed Newt a line because it played beautifully into the “Newt rages against librul media” stories that had probably already been more or less written.

I’d buy into that line of thought. That’s why I’ve referred to those “debates” as nothing more than informercials, as they both have about the same net worth in our society as a whole.

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My hypothesis is the reason for Gingrich’s bump is the fact that he “shouted down” that CNN dude to start debate…could it be that the mainstream media’s favorability rating is akin to Congress?

Stevie Ray–Jay seems to be having some difficulty understanding the Newt surge as well, so let me break it down for you. When we can see and hear someone speak, the message received is about 95% emotional and only 5% factual in terms of impact. The reason for this goes back to what Joe Mama keeps missing about Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem. We aren’t entirely “logical” creatures, and for good reason. Formal logic, i.e. deductive logic, is only one small tool in our bag of tricks to help us understand and navigate our way through the world. What we primarily rely on, and again for good reason, is inductive logic. We see a few examples, and draw a larger inference about how the world works. And in a fast paced world in which we don’t have the time to gather complete information, I’ll take inductive logic over deductive logic any day.

The bottom line is that Mitt is a man on the run right now, his offense and defense breaking down simultaneously. I don’t want him to be the message bearer for the Republicans, because I don’t trust he’ll live up to those conservative values if he ever makes it to the White House. His record in Massachusetts proves that to me. I trust Newt a lot more.

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Well, not to get off topic or nothing like that, but has anybody heard if they let the revered Sen. Rand Paul out of the hoosegow yet? I mean, if those thugs molest little girls and old grandmas, it’s hard to tell what they’ll do to a big-shot Senator. No offense, Brocephus.

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Nice post at the end of the last thread.

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I think we’re seeing a new Romney in Fl.

Politico: “Mitt Romney landed here Sunday with a simple message: Newt Gingrich is a failure and a fraud. And a disgrace. And a hapless showman.

Standing under a brilliant orange Florida sunset, Romney delivered his longest sustained critique of the South Carolina primary winner to date — ticking through a list as if he were reading off Gingrich’s Wikipedia page, and undercutting each item as he got to it.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71802.html

Not sure how Gingrichs ‘he paid only 15%’ line is going to work when so many Fl voters are seniors whose retirements are derived from investment income.

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They BOTH

I am soooooo co-opting that photo @ 12:26.

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IS THAT ALL THERE IS? Mitt or Newt?

Is that all there is, is that all there is?

If that’s all there is my friends, then when will it end?

Let’s break out the booze and cry in our beer.

If that’s all there is WE HAVE A LOT TO FEAR.

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I see the unknown republican (the one with the bag over his head) polls better than the other GOP candidates.

that can’t be an unusual phenomenon at this point in a primary race, against an incumbent President, though–right?

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Paul, rags favorite beauty queen, “Chairman Anne”, sure seems to be a moralist in that Faux News piece!

She sure doesn’t like that cons are giving a free pass to Leroy the Horndog.

Has Billy O’Loofah weighed in on the matter? LOL.

And should Mr. “I was a philanderer before philandering was cool” win the nomination it would be the biggest surprise in American politics since Woodrow Wilson won the White House. (Something Newt will never, ever do.)

But should those numbskulls in Tampa make him their “champion” (HA!), I would consider wagering the mortgage on the Uppity Muslim, no matter what the odds…

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It’s been fun, but producin’ awaits. later, all.

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ragnar danneskjold: “I am not yet persuaded that Gingrich is the second coming of Reagan – goodness knows Reagan would never have rejected the brilliant Ryan blueprint by using leftist language”

Oh really?

The Reagan who used leftist language like this:

We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy. [...] Do you think the millionaire ought to pay more in taxes than the bus driver or less?

Or this:

These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland … They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.

However situational and cynical these statements may have been, point is, he said it. And he meant it on some level. After all, not like he was an actor or anything.

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Joe – “I can live with your opinion of me; it’s always the arrogant pretenders like yourself who need to belittle others in order to elevate themselves. (laughing) ”

Is this irony or hypocrisy?

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“goodness knows Reagan would never have rejected the brilliant Ryan blueprint by using leftist language.”

You used Ryan and brilliant in the same sentence?

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“My hypothesis is the reason for Gingrich’s bump is the fact that he “shouted down” that CNN dude to start debate…”

It’s funny, but all I saw was Newt sidestep the asked question. Sure, he played the angry abused man, but he never answered the question. Too bad the questioneer didn’t call him on it.

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Dear Jay, you are tying yourself in knots needlessly. Gingrich won in SC because he sounded like an economic conservative. Romney lost because he sounded like a moderate.

ragnar–I’d like to believe that Jay, as a smart guy and decent human being, might be interested in hearing from some Newt supporters as to WHY we like the guy despite his obvious faults. So far, he seems unable to break out of his own limited Libthink in order to appreciate the corresponding limited Conthink take on things.

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Rags

Funny about who is and who isn’t a conservative.

Why didn’t the GOP vet Bush and McCain before they ran?

Why would we think you are any better at who is and who isn’t a real conservative than you were before?

In fact, since it takes years for you folks to figure out who is or isn’t this that or the other – why should we think you have the ability to think rationally regarding any political candidate?

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JamVet

“And should Mr. “I was a philanderer before philandering was cool” win the nomination… ”

I still think a bunch of those evangelical Christian Republican voters are just flat-out envious.

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ragnar

Every conservative principle was tried from 01-07 when you had the presidency and congress. The result of all these sham theorems and policy’s came to a catastrophic climax in sept 08 – never again….

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Bruno

“I’’d like to believe that Jay, as a smart guy and decent human being, might be interested in hearing from some Newt supporters as to WHY we like the guy despite his obvious faults.”

Please – the floor is yours.

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““Fox News exit polls show that Gingrich overwhelmingly carried the evangelical vote. ”

Yea, it couldn’t have been because they think he’ll do a better job than Romney, right? Must be because of his religion. That’s obviously why SC overwhelmingly voted for former baptist pastor Huckaby in ‘08 too, right? Oh, wait. McCain won that one. Hmmmm.

By the same “logic” you people are using, since most black people voted for Obama, they voted for him because he’s black, right?

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RB

You need some cheese with that early afternoon whine

YOU attempted to paint the religious issue strictly on a liberal vs conservative paradigm

Whether you can see past this paradigm in your day to day life, I have no idea…….. you surely do not show it on this blog

You were shown several right leaning sources that claimed the EXACT thing you said the left is doing…. yet you still cry about the left

WOW

You do make for some great belly laughs

Hold off on the clowns JB……………….. they are already in the house

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Bruno — “Bottom line, Joe, is that you’ve never demonstrated in the least that you understand Godel, in spite of your claims otherwise. Kind of like going to a movie theatre and only seeing previews. It’s time to put up or shut up about Godel.”

No.

If you want to behave like an adult and speak to me like one, then we can have the adult conversation that you *claim* you want to have. If, OTOH, you’re going to continue to behave like a jackass towards me as you have since our very first exchange, then you can go fly a kite. I don’t dance to your tune, mister.

“Unless you’re simply the most self-unaware person on the planet, how are your little (and shall I say girlish) little comments at the end of your posts such as “(laughing and pointing)” NOT an example of belittlement??”

If you feel belittled by it, then strap on a pair and *say* so. I’m pretty sure, however, that you’re not the arbiter of everyone else’s thoughts on that, and I’m also pretty sure that you don’t get to determine what *I* mean when I post that sort of thing.

“Of course, you claim it’s in response to poor treatment foisted upon yourself”

I neither said nor thought any such thing. You’re simply putting words in my mouth, Bruno.

“as if to say that your own condescension is justified, but other people’s isn’t.”

I don’t think I’ve spoken to anyone’s condescension today but *yours,* Bruno.

“I’m not really a psychologist.”

Then the rest of your diagnosis is kind of beside the point, isn’t it? (laughing)

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I think that’s why Newt keeps on hammering this notion that he’ll be a master debater

I think I could have gone all day without reading that portion of that statement….

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JamVet

Except for a few issues, he was the best thing since sliced bread until the 06 elections………. Had Repubs held Congress…. he would be considered the 14th disciple right after Reagan who is the 13th……..

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A Tax Cheat or A Wife Cheat (Is this the Best Republicans Have To Offer?)

January 23rd, 2012
12:38 pm
“IS THAT ALL THERE IS? Mitt or Newt?”

“Is that all there is, is that all there is?”

Nope. Take comfort in knowing that you can always relect the guy in there now. You know. The one that has presided over the worst post recession recovery since WW2, the one who has driven us roughly another 5 trillion in debt, the one with the anti-business rhetoric, the one strangling the economy with burdensome regulation, the one whose legacy will read “food stamp president”. You can still vote for that guy. Who knows? Maybe you’ll get a raise in your food stamp allotment.

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I never thought I would see or even say this, watching the GoP debates over the pass couple of weeks. All I see is “White on White Crime”

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Bruno — “EC–The truly funny/sad thing is that Joe seems so self-unaware that I don’t hink he even sees the irony/hypocrisy in his own posts.”

Oh, Bruno, come now. We know you didn’t spot that little nugget I left for you until Cat uncovered it for you.

“The old “three fingers pointing back at yourself” phenomenon seems to escape him.”

Was it accidental? Intentional? Intended with malice? Done all in fun? You just don’t know, Bruno.

Why don’t you put some of your vaunted meta-logic to work here and recognize that what you *think* you know might not be at all what it appears to be?

“We can only hope that he’s a better man in person.”

Why? Are you planning on stalking me or something?

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Paul: “Any ideas on how he could have phrased the question to avoid the ‘bias’ charge?”

Well, for one there was no way to avoid a bias charge. Any reference to the revelations in the ABC interview, short of a questioner who made it clear he viewed them as bogus and tossed Newt a softball chance to bat it down, would be viewed as part of a media ‘bias’ attempt to smear a GOP candidate. On the other hand, a failure to bring it up and demand a response would be viewed as a dereliction of the media’s duty by all other parties. So there’s no way around that really.

Perhaps the best question would be What is your response to your ex-wife’s decision to come forward at this time with allegations concerning your behavior as a husband?

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Dear Lord @ 12:50, I think they both “is,” just not sufficiently so for my satisfaction.

Dear Granny @ 12:52, good afternoon. I think both were adequately vetted – we knew what we were getting in both cases – just that Nash’s games theory works against the majority view within the party.

Dear Mick @ 12:53, the housing collapse was a function of loose monetary policy at the Fed, taxpayer sops to leftist-proffered government chartered mortgage resellers, and stupid Congressional laws dating to the Carter era, ramped up by unfireable bureaucrats during the Clinton era. A conservative would have wished to defend the value of the dollar, abolish FNMA and FHLMC, fire every bureaucrat earning more than $100,000 per, and repeal every regulation not founded on punishing collusion or fraud. We surely can agree that the leftist minority in the Senate would oppose such moves, and the capacity to block legislation there would always be successful absent a “veto-proof” majority. Perhaps we can also agree that the democrats, holding same power from 2009 – 2011, did not even pass a budget?

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Jamvet

Ease up a little

He meant the Right wing talking points dictionary………..

He was in such a rush to provide the definition that he left out a minor detail

No big deal

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Granny: Why would we think you are any better at who is and who isn’t a real conservative than you were before?

Dumbshyt: Jay’s Blog is on how Gingrich’s win bodes ill for the GOP; not that its meaningless.

Paul: Please – the floor is yours.

Again, guys, it’s as simple as this: Newt resonates emotionally with people who call themselves “conservative”. Nothing more, and little less. Which is the same reason most of you backed Obama last time. Any of you here honest enough to admit that?? I certainly hope you didn’t pick Obama over McCain due to his superior experience and more detailed plans for the nation. Seriously.

At the root of his emotional appeal is the fact that he aligns himself with hard work and self-reliance, while Obama aligns himself with victimhood and dependency. You guys might not like that, or disagree with it intellectually, but that’s what’s going on at the deepest level. Newt trumps Mitt because he is a much more effective spokesperson.

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BOTH – You do know there is a difference between “57% of evangelicals voted for Newt” and “evangelicals voted for him because Romney isn’t a Christian” don’t you?

The problem isn’t with what the media outlet reported, it’s with your understanding of it.

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Thulsa Doom

January 23rd, 2012
1:03 pm

This would be a more accurate statement:

“The one that has presided over the worst post recession recovery since WW2 — caused by the near-collapse of the ecenomic system by a Republican Administration; the one who has driven us roughly another 5 trillion in debt — caused by the two unfunded WARS of a Republican Administration; the one with the pro-business rhetoric….since business stocks have improved since the Republican Administration LEFT office; the one re-invigorating the economy with necessary regulatory control and enforcement; the one whose legacy will read “I tried to FIX what the Republicans started.”

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Jay – “Really? So bashing venture capitalists …..”

That’s a lie, Jay, and you know it. Newt has repeatedly pointed out that Romney needs to explain what happened in about 3 cases. Try being truthful for once. It won’t kill you to tell the whole story.

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Granny Godzilla

January 23rd, 2012
1:09 pm
I did GG and they all say Obama is the food stamp president. Thanks for the FACTCHECK!

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Ok, BOTH, you win. Blacks voted for Obama because he’s black. Got it.

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Really? So bashing venture capitalists is now economic conservatism? Making an issue of Romney’s wealth and how he acquired it is now economic conservativism?

Meanwhile, Jay’s still stuck trying to force his own Lib interpretation of things on people who don’t think like him. Kind of like DDR’s and Brosephus’s objections last night that White People simply “don’t get it”. And they’re likely right. Their “truth” is different from mine. Similar events, such as being pulled over by the police for no apparent reason, take on a far greater meaning in their mind than in my own White Boy mind.

Any reason you can’t accept the Con take on it, Jay, without depending on these exit polls??

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Was it the Pope who suspended the 7th and 9th commandments for republicans or did Pat Robertson get that memo directly from God? And, is this suspension permanent or does it only apply to the campaign season? Never mind. I already know the answer to that one.

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“Then the rest of your diagnosis is kind of beside the point, isn’t it? (laughing)”- Joe Mama

Joe Mama,

You’re slipping. You left out the full (pointing, laughing) on that one.

“I’m pretty sure, however, that you’re not the arbiter of everyone else’s thoughts on that,”

True dat. Bruno is just one guy with an opinion on the childishness of putting exclamations such as (laughing) or (pointing, laughing) after statements in an attempt to ridicule.

But he aint the only one with that opinion. I mean seriously.Its bizarre. I mean who does that crap??? To my knowledge you’re the only one who engages in that kind of 6th grade childishness. As if putting (pointing, laughing) is actually a point of debate.

Do you do this because you are
1- immature
2- mean spirited

Yeah. I know this is a false binary. So lets up the ante and go for a false tertiary. Do you do it because you’re
1-immature
2- mean spirited
3- both

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Dear Both @ 1:12, fair question, “Are you saying that Rush runs the Party or an aspect of it?” You err in two elements of the question, within the leftist blind spots.

(a) Running a party has little meaning to conservatives. We are not a party oriented to fawning adulation over an UberFuerher, rather we are an ideology of principles. Even if a Limbaugh “ran” or otherwise “controlled” conservativism, he would merely be herding cats, a “control” with no meaning. Sharply different from the goose-steppers in the party of cultism.

(b) Limbaugh’s contribution – making Newt an object of ridicule over Newt’s anti-freedom slurs against Romney – is not an exercise of control, but merely a brilliant contribution to public discourse.

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“and “evangelicals voted for him because Romney isn’t a Christian””

Is this where you’re supposed to say “there’s your sign”?

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willibekind

Your welcome about the FACTCHECK on foodstamps

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/01/newts-faulty-food-stamp-claim/

No thank you required

Glad I could help……

What else can I assist you with today?

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Bruno: “Meanwhile, Jay’s still stuck trying to force his own Lib interpretation of things on people who don’t think like him. ”

You just completely dodged the point Jay made, I can’t believe it.

Why did you even bother pasting Jay’s point — which remains to be addressed here by the way — if you have no answer for it and only wish to pivot to a misdirection?

So, again, what is your explanation of the fact that Newt took SC going away after he and Perry attacked Romney from the left?

If you claim that bashing venture capitalists is in fact conservative, then you have to explain how. I know one person who vigorously disagrees with you — and his name is Mitt.

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jewcowboy

Good afternoon.

That’ll make a great PAC ad. “Republican moderates. Newt says you’re really liberals and he doesn’t want your vote.”

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williebkind

January 23rd, 2012
1:10 pm
“……stop trying to create spin about the conservative presidential candidates.”

We don’t have to create spin….the GOP is doing it all by themselves!!
Remember…..when an airplane is caight in a spin, to get out of it, you apply COUNTER-rudder….and the rightward spin that Bush got us into needs to be countered…….

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Dear Both @ 1:14, I respectfully disagree. Rush advocates conservatism, not candidates. Prediction here is that he will continue to oppose Obama, and that will mean no endorsement of any individual sooner than the nomination of the Republican. Rush’s agenda is to drive the discussion toward conservatism.

Dear Welcome @ 1:15, it is ok to hate either or both, but if you want to “understand” the mind of a conservative, you need to read Milton. Or Hayek. Or Von Mises. Or Sowell.

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Dear Granny, call me “Elijah,” a mere voice in the wilderness.

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Howdy Paul,

“Republican moderates. Newt says you’re really liberals and he doesn’t want your vote.”

Ouch.

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Ragnar

“and that will mean no endorsement of any individual sooner than the nomination of the Republican.”

One does not have to call out a name to endorse someone. Rush is a great ENTERTAINER ( i listen sometimes). As you say he will wait until it is evident who will win than jump on their bandwagon and of course oppose Obama…. His fans will chant El Rushbo as if he is some guru…………..

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I suppose it’s like the evolving definition of ‘conservative.’ Now it’s all about feelings, once reserved as a pejorative for progressives.

Paul–You need to spend a little more time with the unwashed conservative masses. I know that you’re strictly a man of high flown principles, primarily because you’ve told us so repeatedly, but the rest of us, the 99 percenters, if you will, live in the human world in which emotion is what drives us. Think about it. E- motion. It’s not just a coincidence.

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The newt sounded like a member of the OWS movement.

What a bizarre gop cycle.

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getalife

This GOP cycle is giving America the cramps.

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I ponied up for mitt, again

He better win FL or there will be real problems

I’m not going to choose between Obama and Newt

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Doom–Since you’re on board, maybe you can jog Joe Mama’s memory about how he fared discussing the meaning of Godel a while back with me. I haven’t been able to track down the specific blog yet. His claim that it was so beneath him to even discuss it was never matched by any meaningful insights, which I’m sure would have been a snap to discuss.. Maybe he’ll take some pity on dumb lil ol me and toss me a few crumbs of understanding.

Frankly, I remember him hemming, hawing and belittling. Called my invocation a “high school debating” tactic if I recall correctly.

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GG – A Google search on your machine and the exact same search on my computer will yield different results…Google will customize your results based on previous searches from that machine….just sayin’ silly pants

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“I will vote for Elmer Fudd over Obama.”

Are you calling the newt “Elmer Fudd”?

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getalife:

Nope. Whoever runs against Obama gets my vote ………. even Ron Paul.

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Jay

Btw
Newt didn’t do well because he attacked capitalism

He did well because he us reflecting the GOP mood. He’s angry and they’re angry. And he’s reasonably articulate

Nothing more

He offers nothing though to anyone looking for a reasonable minded, capable leader and president

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Erwin

That’s Mrs. Silly Pants to you!

Thanks for dropping the last name – a real pain to spell.

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Elmer Fudd is hot.

In fact he’s on fiwa.

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obamas america.. where its ok to grow up poor.. work hard.. study hard.. bring yourself up by the “bootstraps” to become successful…… just as long as your not more successful than the person that didnt do any of that.

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Bruno

“Demonizing the rich is YOUR thing, not mine (ours).”

Guess all of Newts comments were not played on any of the media outlets you listen too or read

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williebkind

January 23rd, 2012
1:39 pm

“I can’t think of a parallel strain of such significance on the left.”

You are correct Jay, the liberals destroy property and kill people.”

REALLY?? Aren’t the more pro-DEATH penalty states led by Republican governors…starting with Texas???? Don’t conservatives want to DENY a person’s right of CHOICE and access to contraception??

Better re-read the platform……………

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So fact check is now “libthink”

Nice spin…….. Bruno

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I care about Newt cheating on wives about as much as libs care about Clinton cheating on his wife 7 or more times including the alleged rape of a woman- a woman who worked for the Dem party and whose testimony was found to be credible by the NOW gals.

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In other words, Bruno, screw the data, you’re going on your emotions.

It’s a shame to see a Harvey Mudd education go to ruin like that.

Nice dig, Jay, but way off mark. The first order of business at Mudd was to teach us that there are myriad assumptions built into any statement, scientific equations being no exception. It wasn’t enough to state that PV = nRT and start plugging in variables. That’s more of a Penn State thing. We first had to explain all of our assumptions before using any equations or we received no credit for the answer.

The bottom line is that all data isn’t created equal. Especially in terms of opinion polls. I’m sure you’ve seen surveys in which small, subtle changes in the way the questions were asked evoked dramatically different answers. You’re convinced that Newt’s Bain Capital attacks are what separates him from Romney. I’m telling you that it’s not so. You just can’t accept it.

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TD

the best you have his hypocrisy on both sides

There were many on the right who now back Newt, who claimed Clinton on “character” alone shouldn’t be the President… yet they are now backing an admitted cheater and a person who left office under a dark ethics cloud

I can see hypocrisy on both sides…….. can you see the irony?

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Bruno

gee wiz you sure do read funny!

“Gingrich would have been correct to say the number now on food aid is historically high. The number stood at 46,224,722 persons as of October, the most recent month on record. And it’s also true that the number has risen sharply since Obama took office.

But Gingrich goes too far to say Obama has put more on the rolls than other presidents. We asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food and Nutrition service for month-by-month figures going back to January 2001. And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million. Nothing before comes close to that.

And under Obama, the increase so far has been 14.2 million. To be exact, the program has so far grown by 444,574 fewer recipients during Obama’s time in office than during Bush’s.”

FactCheck.org

(And Bush got out before the worst of the Bush Recession kicked in)

oh and

here’s where the goal posts go off the tracks
“The fact remains that dramatically more people are on food stamps than prior to him taking office.”

goofy goofy goofy

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Newt

The Freddie Mac lobbyist

The serial adulterer

The poster boy for attention deficit disorder

The faux intellectual that just likes every new idea he hears, good or bad

Newt is not fit to be president, not for a country of out quality

Neither is Obama. We need mitt.

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Remember the people that are voting for Newt, are your so called christians who insult other religions, other people life styles, gays, always talking about family values in America.
These so called white conservatives christians have no credibility on morales and family vaules by voting for Newt, resign from the speaker position, yet these I love Jesus hypocrites close a blind eye

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Bruno:

“That may be a badge of honor in some ways, Scout……”

It is.

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Jm:

I lost sometimes too and have even apologized when I was wrong or misquoted.

I just hold his feet to the fire and he doesn’t like that.

Got to run ………… everyone be nice.

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ABO – Anybody But Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I hope you guys get your eye of the newt, sensible folks know that he is not presidential in any way, shape or form. Don’t believe me? Just ask your newest repub chris christie who basically tears the newt a new one…

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The last two weeks he has skewered the left wing “fact checks,” funny stuff.

Not a web junkie, ragnar, but the Factcheck link put up by Granny earlier was laughable, at best:

http://factcheck.org/2012/01/newts-faulty-food-stamp-claim/

From the article:

“But Gingrich goes too far to say Obama has put more on the rolls than other presidents. We asked the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Food and Nutrition service for month-by-month figures going back to January 2001. And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million. Nothing before comes close to that.

And under Obama, the increase so far has been 14.2 million. To be exact, the program has so far grown by 444,574 fewer recipients during Obama’s time in office than during Bush’s.”

So now, up is down. Brilliant.

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Bruno

“Paul–You need to spend a little more time with the unwashed conservative masses.”

I live in Texas, remember?

Was talking this Sunday in church with a guy who told me one of the questions on the self-evaluation form his company uses is ‘are you trustworthy?’

One of the people wrote ‘conservative Republican’ as an answer.

My friend called him and said ‘I don’t understand this. Would you explain?”

The guy replied “what are you implying? We’re in Texas, remember?”

He may not have fit your target group. He washes regularly, I understand.

Emotion drives 99%?

So doctors make decisions based on emotion?

Professors grade students based on emotion?

Judges hear cases based on emotion?

Just because something sounds clever on a blog does not mean it’s connected to reality.

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granny

A one track mind is just that – they are stuck on it…

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So now, up is down. Brilliant

Bruno seems to be flailing with his claims now…….. please show your work Bruno. What part of “put less on the rolls” (assuming that merely counting the numbers during the term is “putting on the rolls”) does not show Newts claim is incorrect and as you claim “laughable.”

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I’ve seen some pathetic displays on here, but rarely have I seen an intellectual no-show as massive as the one displayed by our conservative friends here today. They are utterly at sea and unable to offer even a peep in the way of a coherent statement of explanation of what is going on in their party before our eyes.

The conservative crackup that we’re witnessing is apparently reducing conservatives in large numbers to a mixture of silence and aggressive misdirection and frantic attempts to change the subject.

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td

“I have said it over and over again that this election is not about whoever the Republican nominee is but rather if the white married middle class suburban woman (Independent voters) believe Obama has done a good enough job to get four more year”

You seen Newt’s unfavorability rating among women?

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1811

“I never vote for anyone; I always vote against.”

-Thomas Jefferson

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President Obama no scandals, family values, morales

Any one notice you dont hear Newt speaking on family vaules anymore?

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“Doomy, we’re still PAYING for the Bush Excursions (as I’ll call them)…and will be for YEARS!!”

In other words you will be playing the W card for the duration of Obama’s presidency. Just as I suspected.

“How long have we been paying for the wars this nation has gotten into!! Many have noted thatwe’re still paying for Vietnam………”

Well we’re not in Iraq anymore so other than care for some injured veterans how are we still paying for a war we are no longer in?

“Really? Increased regulation invigorates an economy? That’s news to a lot of economists out there. You’re going to have a hard time convincing them of that. ”

“Yes, it does.’- HDB

Truly one of the more astounding statements I’ve ever read from a liberal considering economics. Lets just hire a million more regulators and watch the economy just take off according to your logic.

“What this is is a direct challenge to this nation’s ability to innovate and derive market based solutions to regulatory issues. EPA regulations spurred innovations to clean the environmental damage of coal-fired plants…….it can do likewise IF people embrace the challenge rather than running from it!!”

Nope. HDB you are looking it from the wrong aspect. That would be regarded as an added cost. Not as some type of an economic boom created by regulation. You won’t find any respected economists who would view it the same way you do. Your inability to distinguish between an added cost and increased economic output simply shows your flawed understanding of basic economics.

Let ME fix YOUR typo…..
” It should read ” the one whose legacy will read “I tried to FIX what the Republicans started and it is slowly getting better.”

And as I stated HDB this is the weakest recovery from a recession on record since the great depression.Its also interesting to note that in very deep recessions the recoveries tend to be particularly strong because of the tremendous upside potential when you’ve hit such a deep bottom. That tremendous recovery has not happened. Its a very modest recovery and clear evidence of this president’s stunning failure of an economic record. You can’t put lipstick on this economic pig.

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I think the Republicans will have a brokered convention. Maybe Mitch Daniels. Possibly, but I doubt, JEB Bush.

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Welcome to the Occupation
January 23rd, 2012
2:14 pm

not hard to explain it at all.. the gop is trying to “dumb” everything down to the obama supporter level.. trying to appeal to a wider base if you will..

you dont think the liar in chief has done the old slight of hand a few times with numbers? seem to recall something about a “jobs created” number.. the wh.. obama.. biden.. no one could figure it out.. but that didnt stop them from tossing all kinds of numbers out..

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td
January 23rd, 2012
2:14 pm

Union

January 23rd, 2012
2:13 pm

“Obama pays the states bonuses to get the most people on FS and you have not seen the SNAP commercials on TV?”

no.. i have not.. work.. then home.. then travel.. barely have time to do this from time to time..

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Jay, you forget this is the same Republican electorate that put those crazed Tea Party people in the House. So, do not expect the Republicans to act in any logica manner, even for right-wing conservatives. Rather, expect them to act like irrational children determined to get their way no matter how much our Nation is harmed.

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“And they show that under President George W. Bush the number of recipients rose by nearly 14.7 million.”

But Bush and his merry band of fools kept telling us how great the economy was.

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Looking at Christie and Newt is like looking at Before and Way Before……………Cons, it takes a minute to kick in!!!!!

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“crazed Tea Party people in the House”

Hmmm, so I guess the Occupiers are a sane intelligent group. Just ask HDB! They destroy property and kill people. How sane can you be!

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Paul

January 23rd, 2012
2:26 pm
td

“And you really think that is going to matter to these suburban women driving their SUV’s and costing them $150 to fill up the tank?

With gas at $3.38 a gallon, that’d be a 44-gallon gas tank.

I’m getting the impression you like to post whatever you think sounds good.

That’s okay.

30 time $5 equals $150.

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Gasoline is $5 a gallon?

Learn something new here every day.

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please show your work Bruno.

Looks pretty straightforward to me, Keep and Granny. There are now dramatically more people receiving food stamps that at any other time in the history of the SNAP program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program

Maybe it’s not fair to say that Obama “put ” people on the rolls since he didn’t sign them up personally, but it happened on his watch, and as td points out above, it was done with a lot of encouragement.

To get around these incontrovertible facts, weak minds will try to fall back on the “but the increase in 3 years is less than under Bush’s 8 years”, which isn’t meaningful when you consider the shorter time span. Furthermore, slowing the rate of increase at no times is equivalent to a decrease, which is what the geniuses at Factcheck are attempting to do.

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Well the Whole Foods is selling gas for $4.50 in food stamps….. it pays to save.

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Actually I’m tired of the elite media reminding us of the crimes committed by the recently pardoned criminals in Mississippi. After all, these crimes were committed years ago and they, like Newt, asked for God’s forgiveness for the pain they caused others.

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How much gasoline could I have bought with the money spent on green energy failures. I stand corrected they are all going to fail. It is relevant to recycling. Yeah it is a good feeling to do so but it costs more to recycle than to create from scratch. Dont tell anybody this the liberals will start their drive by’s.

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td

Upon rereading, I see you did in fact write “IF gas prices… $5″

My apologies.

But y’know, we can hypothesize all day long about ‘IF such and such happens THEN so and so wins”

I just am not convinced that demographic with such an overwhelming distrust of Newt’s gonna be swayed by an event outside the President’s control.

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Bruno

Don’t spin so fast that you fall down

Yes the rate of increase is much higher, however the total number as your boy Newt asserted as not eclipsed the total under Bush

When and if that occurs Newt and yourself will be correct

As we stand today…….. you have spin, Nothing less; nothing more. However like Newt I must admit; you do a great job of making your argument seem to be right even when it is so wrong

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“Oh I get it….you can call Obama a food stamp president because of what took place before he took office”

Actually Obama was in office, as a Senator voting for the increase in food stamp enrollment when the Dems controlled Congress from 2007-2010.

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So doctors make decisions based on emotion?

Judges hear cases based on emotion?

In the real world, absolutely, Paul. Do you really believe otherwise?? Seriously.

Doctors absolutely make decisions in the real world based on the perceived financial ability of the patients.

Professors most certainly will give a student a break that they like.

And, maybe Brosephus can help me out withe the judge thing. He seems to believe that a black defendant will get a harsher sentence than a white defendant, starting all the way back at Juvenile Court. Are you calling my man Bro a liar??

Again, Paul, I’m not sure how you are serving yourself well to deny the obvious.

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Kamchak & Paul

January 23rd, 2012
2:38 pm

My if statement was not pulled out of thin air. It was produced by the leaders in the fields of predicting these prices. So it is a viable situation to think consider.

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Newt’s win bodes poorly for Bookman’s predictions.

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Newt won SC because he was the candidate that articulated the most venomous hatred toward the President and those of his “ilk”. The voters reacted to that hatred like pigs to slop. Just as Newt calculated they would.

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Enter your comments here

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TalkingHead

“Actually Obama was in office, as a Senator voting for the increase in food stamp enrollment when the Dems controlled Congress from 2007-2010.”

Would you know which bill #s and budgets these were?

Thanks

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My if statement was not pulled out of thin air. It was produced by the leaders in the fields of predicting these prices. So it is a viable situation to think consider.

Is this anecdotal evidence?

Or is it something you can actually back up?

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Newt – bad for the GOP

Obama – bad for the USA

Jay – should be considered more a comedian than a serious journalist. Do you really think that this is going to result in the democrats regaining the US House???

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To get around these incontrovertible facts, weak minds will try to fall back on the “but the increase in 3 years is less than under Bush’s 8 years”, which isn’t meaningful when you consider the shorter time span. Furthermore, slowing the rate of increase at no times is equivalent to a decrease, which is what the geniuses at Factcheck are attempting to do

So your “truth spin” goes from a “laughable, at best” and “up is down, Brilliant” to nuanced distinctions, none of which addressed the inaccurate assertion from Newt and its proven inaccuracy.
It seems your “Brilliant” failed you and your repeated “if you are honest” statements eludes you. If you are honest Bruno, you will admit that Newt lies when he claims that Obama has “put more on the rolls than other Presidents”. If you are dishonest, you’ll continue your spin of false distinctions regarding the “truth”.

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JAY,

Did anyone opine on BO’s latest droning? Perhaps he, like BUSH, needs this to offset an insecure “size” issue?

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Kamchak

January 23rd, 2012
2:46 pm

http://www.cnbc.com/id/45390261/Sharon_Epperson_Commodities

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Bob @2:44,

Can you seriously not comprehend what you just said? You do know that Obama was a Senator, yes? He was a Senator from 2005-2008.

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JamVet

With Romney taking the gloves off, I’m definitely watching the next debate.

I’d like to see how much he tries to needle Newt and goad him into really blowing – not the calculated, play-the-audience for suckers we’ve seen.

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BOB,

Based on BO’s voting record in Congress, it’s likely physically impossible that he voted on anything of substance except in absentia….He had no “voting record”…he was as competent as a senator as he is a president…weak and lacking leadership and clear positions on issues..

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The point is that Newt is risking not only inflicting a fatal wound on his rival Romney, but his party too, for there is no way to control how the message will play among the general populace.

It is dogma for this party to defend free enterprise (a joke) at all costs, and if they are forced to defend a record of predatory capitalism it will risk doing grave damage to that meme for them.

Add to that a recall of Scott Walker in Wisconsin, and we could have a terrible year in the making for the GOP. But it’s still early yet.

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Instead of food stamps, how about we ship those folks to Thailand, Indonesia, or Singapore to take the $17 a day jobs. They won’t need much more to live on the the rural parts of these countries…of course the population control thingy may be an issue:-)

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Damn, why can’t I get any action on the drone strike by our glorious BO? Our shores are safe again despite the crappy job Bush did…good thing we got change we can believe in…I feel much safer now that a new father in Somalia is reduced to ashes at the cost of a million or so..

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“Interest payments on the money the US BORROWED from China for one;”

Then cut, cap, and balance. Oh. That’s right. The House Republicans can’t get the Dems in the Senate or Obama to cut crap.

“that add the cost for replenishment of military supplies…AND personnel…….”

We’ve replenished munitions throughout the cost of the war and those replenishments are mostly finished since we are no longer in a war and haven’t had a combat brigade over there in months. You’re really, really reaching HDB. Its not as if we’re having to constantly replace used up aircraft carriers.

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“And Gingrich’s popularity increased with voter age, which may bode well for him in Florida.”

Especially among the Viagra crowd.

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some pump prices are already over $4 / gal in NY. Probably Manhattan, airport locations etc..

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“Hungry children have a hard time doing homework or focusing in school”- Matti

Have you forgotten that we have free breakfast and free lunch programs in school for the poor?

“Even people who trade them so they can by booze & cigarettes are still fueling our limping economy”- Matti

Aaaah. The ole discredited nancy pelosi multiplier effect of food stamps argument. Using this logic perhaps everyone should be on food stamps so that the economic would then just boom! Let me go ahead and nip the food stamp multiplier nonsense in the bud now.

According to Pelosi the multiplier effect for food stamps (the new politically correct name is SNAP – Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) is 1.79 and the Agriculture Department cites and even more absurd multiplier of 1.84. The absurdity of the multiplier effect can be easily proven by reductio ad absurdum. If the multiplier effect is true why don’t we just spend an infinite amount of money then we will be infinitely wealthy? You cannot create wealth by taking money from one person (who created the wealth) and giving it to another person to spend – on food in this case. Entropy proves that you cannot even get $1 of return for each $1 spent on food stamps (welfare). The obvious losses include the cost of the bureaucrats to run the food stamp program, the time, effort and gas the recipients expend to obtain the food stamps. This does not add to GDP, since it is consumption. Economists seem confused that the P in GDP is for spending or consumption, when it stands for Product or production.
Any economist who repeats the multiplier effect lie should be immediately fired. Any politician who repeats the multiplier effect lie should be treated the same as people in the Flat Earth Society, as insane.

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If they know Tylenol causes liver damage, why is it still on the market?

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there are two possible linguistic interpretations of Newt’s statement. If Obama added even one person to the SNAP rolls that wasn’t there prior to him taking office, therefore driving the total number of people higher than previously, then in one sense he IS guilty of “putting more people on food stamps” than anyone before, because he has to take credit for the folks still on the rolls that he didn’t boot off. That is the interpretation he is pushing with his statement. You may not like it, but linguistically, he is correct.

Absolute nonsense. Suddeningly linguistically it is acceptable to take the statement out of context while repeatedly whining about context. And linguistically it now okay to interpret the words “put on” to require Obama take credit for existing numbers and to look at the entire total.

Again Bruno, truth eludes you in your dishonesty and spin. But even more so as you have spun further and further away from your original claim of “laughable at best” and “up is down. Brilliant”. You still have failed to defend your words. Did that Mudd education that you proclaim exists muddle your ability to be responsible for YOUR words and to be truthful? It seems, laughably, yes.

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‘he exposed the fact that their economic message sucks’
……lib projection of hussein’s actual economic message……..easy and quite brilliant oratory jay…….obama debating on economics is a loser for you libs…..you say that our ideas of free market capitalism, smaller gov’t and personal responsibility, which is all involved in economic realities, sucks……..it’s almost time to have the economic debate b/t capitalism and socialism……it’s then that you will have to decide what you support….again that’s an obama loser my friend
‘ If the overall GOP message truly is as weak as it appears after Saturday’…..
wreaks of uneasiness on your part jay……..also i love to hear the leftist media denegrate south carolina voters for their choice in the primary………conservatives have had it with liberal media and the more your ilk does this, the more republican voters you create……..kind of scary for you to realize what i have been trying to tell about the exposing of the leftist media to more and more voters……..you probably need to call your network of media libs and have a few brainstorming sessions to try to slow this down…..enjoy jay

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Thulsa,

Don’t like your tax dollars going to feed hungry children? EASY: Just become a “job creator.” The tax rates have never been lower for “job creators,” and Congress is already firmly in your pocket. If it’s SO EASY in your mind to earn the money to feed a family in a country where millions of jobs were shipped overseas, then surely it’ll be just as easy for an updstanding, work-oriented citizen like yourself to create hundreds of jobs and employ the less fortunate, right? We eagerly await the news of your success!

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Paul,

“I’m definitely watching the next debate.”

I would rather watch Snooki and JWoww debate the impact of improvisational algorithmic compositions on modern generative music systems.

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Well, can’t wait any more for Joe Mama to come back and show us what he knows about deductive logic and how the human mind works. After all of his braying about how simple it all is, one might think he would be falling over himself to prove once and for all if he really knows his butt from a hole in the ground. I guess he prefers to follow Franklin’s advice about keeping one’s mouth shut.

If Newt flames out like all of you are predicting, I’ll be happy to come back so you can make me eat my words.

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That is, unless you are the Vice President of the United States named Joseph Biden, eh kamchak?
just sayin’…..

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We may be watching a battle for the Republican Party.
Mitt is the moderate that the Party elite want to run against
President Obama. Newt is the extremist the evangelicals
and the remnants of the tea party want to use to split the
party and they don’t care if he wins in the General Election
or not and Newt wants to seriously damage a Party that
has damaged him and create a following that will give
him the power to solicit more funds..The Party may be
over for the Republicans.

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That is, unless you are the Vice President of the United States named Joseph Biden, eh kamchak?

And he was roundly criticized for it.

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speaking of dogma

carlosgvv“The Tea Party House members were willing to let our Nation go into default rather than raise the debt limit. This would have been disasterous (sic) but they didn’t care since it suited their dogma.”

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The Left I see as compassion driven. Call it misguided if you will, but it’s still compassion.

What I see playing out with the Newt supporters is emotion with a mean streak. An ‘us vs them’ setup imbued with ‘good us vs evil them.’ Demagoguery at its worst.

In it’s simplest form, then, you are saying Dem motivations = Good, Repub motivations = Bad. And you can’t detect even the faintest whiff of demagoguery coming from the Left.

Okey-do, then, Paul. I’ll be sure to keep all of that in mind next time you proclaim loudly that you’re not a Lib. You merely despise Cons and all they stand for.

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Paul,

“I think Snooki’s that caricature Jersey girl, right? Jwow, not on my radar.”

They are both caricature Jersey girl’s.

“I’m waiting for him to come unglued. Or just plain nasty.”

It’s just a matter of time. I really can’t believe the Republican Party has come to this. If they best they have is Newt, Mitt, Rick and Ron, then they really need BBDO for a re-branding.

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one conservative commentator who’s published regularly in both the NY Times and the National Journal

aka “Chunky Reese Witherspoon.”

(sorry. hadda go there.)

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Obama’s theme song for 2012: 1st of da month, Bone Thugz N Harmony

Wake up, wake up, wake up, it’s the 1st of tha month To get up, get up, get up, so cash your checks and get up…

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Bruno: Kind of like DDR’s and Brosephus’s objections last night that White People simply “don’t get it”. And they’re likely right. Their “truth” is different from mine. Similar events, such as being pulled over by the police for no apparent reason, take on a far greater meaning in their mind than in my own White Boy mind.

I don’t recall ever stating that “White people simply don’t get it” or anything to that effect. If that’s how you took my position, then you probably don’t get it. My point last night was that things are more complicated than something that can be distilled into a soundbite statement such as the one you made.

And, maybe Brosephus can help me out withe the judge thing. He seems to believe that a black defendant will get a harsher sentence than a white defendant, starting all the way back at Juvenile Court. Are you calling my man Bro a liar??

I don’t think he is, but at the same time you’re getting quite loose with my position on that as well. It is a known fact that there have been sentencing disparities in some areas, cocaine possession, for instance where some convictions carried much harsher mandatory sentences than other. Look also at the concentration of drug enforcement areas and how they are concentrated in urban environments although drug usage and distribution is fairly comparable across all racial lines. You’re oversimplyfing my position to the point where you’re just about misrepresenting it altogether.

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If gas prices are between four and five dollars per gallon this summer, every speech will the Republican nominee will give will start with Keystone pipeline and off shore drilling for oil and will include something like this: If Obama would have approved the pipeline and approved drilling rights then gas would be much less and food would be much less. Game, set match my friend.

The only people who would fall for that are the people too damned dumb to read things for themselves. If they rely on others to tell them what to believe, then it’s fairly safe to say that they would vote GOP anyway as they would believe whatever they say regardless to what the truth is.

People who read and know that oil is sold on the WORLD market regardless to where it originates will laugh at that sh*t. Unless the GOP is campaigning on nationalizing the US oil companies AND their products, that dog don’t hunt.

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Paul – “This is why people shouldn’t introduce themselves to a blog by telling everyone how smart they are and letting everyone know where they went to school “

Nice win Bruno

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Newt doesn’t appear to actually *have* a message.

Maybe he doesn’t need one, because he has a successful track record as Speaker of the House. In case you forgot, he is the engineer of all the things you Libs like to credit for during the Clinton years, such as the balanced budgets and welfare reform. That means a little more to me than hollow campaign promises.

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Kamchak,

So sue me sport. And anyone else who forgets to post the link. Have a good time doing so Mr. blog deputy.

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For the DNC to run Obama again doesn’t bode well for their intelligence.
Obama and the Democrat Party: The Tick that bled the dog dry….

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kamchak pointed out plagiarism towards another poster so i pointed out his hypocrisy in supporting the vp who plagiarized…

I didn’t support “the vp who plagiarized” sport, I supported Juan McSame and Snowbilly Snooki in the previous presidential election.

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Bruno

January 23rd, 2012
3:12 pm
Well, can’t wait any more for Joe Mama to come back and show us what he knows about deductive logic and how the human mind works.

Bruno,

One should never doubt Joe Mama. He is after all the omniscient perfesser of knowitallogy.

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[...] general election price of conflating Bain with capitalism and free markets, from a liberal columnist: “Newt Gingrich not only exposed Romney as a flawed politician; he exposed the fact that [...]

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The serial adulterer, on his third wife, Freddie Mac lobbyist, cap and trade supporter, individual mandate supporter, climate change advocate, who denounced the Ryan budget as right wing social engineering is ‘THE CONSERVATIVE.’

If I weren’t seeing it, I wouldn’t believe it…

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“Shrug. That’s your opinion and you’re welcome to it.” (laughing)

I find it rather upsetting that I only got a (laughing) and not the (pointing, laughing). Its the difference between a silver medal and a gold medal in terms of needling silly libs.

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(ir)Rational

I knew that game was approaching, but I didn’t realize it was quite so soon.

Damn, just checked and that’s Superbowl Sunday.

Certainly a red-letter day in my diary.

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What do Republicans stand for. After listening to Newt v. Mitt, I’m confused.

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Bruno

You are correct, I do not.

But I do now understand why you identify so closely with Newt!

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PAUL!

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Kam – That will be a good day indeed. I’m going to work very hard at getting that day cleared out so I can enjoy those two games. Speaking of games, how about Donovan and his hat trick?

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kam, point taken
barking frog, the party will not split, the establishment will fall in line or be voted out next time around……this is the beginning of a couple cycle process…….that ain’t good for bookman bc he might end up a really, really unhappy lib

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jc – it was a debate between the two, one will win and one will lose, it’s the nature of the game…Bruno won ’cause Paul went completely off point and resorted to insinuating insults..

was tha argumentative theory of reasoning?

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Matti

January 23rd, 2012
3:10 pm
Thulsa,

“Don’t like your tax dollars going to feed hungry children? EASY: Just become a “job creator.”- Matti

Matti,

And who says I’m not. Actually I am looking to hire another telemarketer, preferably a woman. And if Obamacare stands I will do well enough to hire an office assistant to help out with the extra business. Obamacare is going to be vaywee good for the insurance industry. Vaywee good indeed. And to think libruls actually thought the insurance companies were going to be taking it on the chin under Obamacare. Thank you Obama!

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doomy is thanking our President for welfare?

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Need a punchline…

What is the difference between Newt Gingrich and John Edwards?

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B, thanks, and back at ya.

As I used to teach my son, “Be nice to people, not everyone can be as handsome, charming and intelligent as you and me!”

Seriously, one of the methods I’ve used successfully to get through this crazy realm is to understand that every one of us is full of ____.

Seriously. Some more than others, but ALL of us.

I certainly know that I am!

TR says it well.

I had such great expectations of the world’s benevolence
I prefer hallucinations ’cause they tend to make more sense
Than experience

But it was just another sneak attack of temporary sanity
It was a pleasant stay, but now I’m back from temporary sanity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvfk_Dl9lNs

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Erwin’s cat,

“one will win and one will lose, it’s the nature of the game”

It may be some people nature, but it is not everyone’s. I suppose it is just a fundamental difference in how certain people interact with others.

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LHU, John Edwards isn’t repulsive looking?

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Bruno

That higher incarceration rate is PART of the reason for the higher “out of wedlock” rate. Part of it is because some women CHOOSE to be single. There is not a simple soundbite reason to explain that, and if you mistook my position to think that the reason was that simple, then my appologies for misleading you.

As to the court system, there is disparities in how people are treated, from juvie through adulthood. How many times have you heard behavior written off as “he’s just being a kid” when it comes to young Black men vs young White men? You can see the difference in how the media portrays crimes and such based on the victims/perpetrators. It’s not as much as judges getting swayed by the color of one’s skin, it’s more about who’s going before the judge in the first place. That’s where things diverge.

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The television, the greatest invention ever devised to cause people to separate from their money and place logic on hold. I just got to have that shiny new car because I saw it on TV. I just got to vote form him because he looks so presidential on TV. I’ll vote for him because of his performance during the dabates on TV. Snakes in the pulpit sound so convincing on TV. Monica Pearson, on TV, recites stories from the teleprompter with such drama that I’m afraid to go outside. Monica says there is a thug in my living room.

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Woo Hoo!

I’m ahead of the game this year. I just got all of my tax information together and emailed off to the accountant.

Maybe I’ll be deemed too big to fail and get some money for nothing and my chicks for free…

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‘John Edwards isn’t repulsive looking?’

Nice, how about…Newt’s mistress was willing to share.

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(ir)Rational

What’s even more impressive is the U.S.Women’s National Team outscoring the Dominican Republic and Guatemala 27-0 in CONCACAF Olympic Women’s Qualifying.

(The Atlanta Beat’s own Sydney Leroux scoring 5 against Guatemala.)

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Paul,

“Or were you not around when he introduced himself to the blog?”

I missed it.

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Brosephus — “I don’t recall ever stating that “White people simply don’t get it” or anything to that effect. If that’s how you took my position, then you probably don’t get it.”

“I don’t think he is, but at the same time you’re getting quite loose with my position on that as well.”

Restating the arguments and positions of others and then materially misrepresenting them seems to be a theme with Bruno. That’s regrettable, IMO.

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jewcowboy

I’m still trying to be in patience mode, so all I’ll say is .

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Bruno — “Maybe he doesn’t need one”

Well, then, that’s certainly *convenient,* isn’t it? (laughing)

My feeling is that we’ll be seeing you right here some day soon shrieking about how President Obama doesn’t have a message, and I look forward to pointing this thread out to you on that day.

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Jay,

I won’t do the usual and try to argue with everyone, but I will ask this question. Wasn’t Hillary the presumptive nominee when Obama won ?

You guys put up a half court shot at the buzzer and hit, seems you would know that could happen to you in this cycle.

Oh. I understand now !

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Doom — “I find it rather upsetting that I only got a (laughing) and not the (pointing, laughing). Its the difference between a silver medal and a gold medal in terms of needling silly libs.”

You’re telling me. I’ve been needling quite a while to get at least a chuckle out of Bruno, but no dice. Clearly, y’all cons don’t have much of a sense of humor.

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Joe H

Bruno and I get along pretty well, and we’ve had some discussion on those things. As I left him a note last night, the criminal justice thing is one that we’d have to talk about over a beer or two. This blog doesn’t have enough bandwidth for me to state everything that I want to say. I have to try to condense things down so that my posts aren’t mini novels and such. I try to do that as much as I can while maintaining the meaning of what I want to say. I’m sure that my points probably get changed around or muddled by me doing so, and that’s part of the game.

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getalife — “doomy is thanking our President for welfare?”

So it would appear.

He also seems not to have heard that many lefties were excoriating the President prior to the HCA’s passage; far from thinking that insurance companies were going to be brought to heel by it, they recognized pretty quickly where the shortcomings were.

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Disgusting. Apparently conservatives believe there is more than one way to skin a cat – literally:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/23/409443/arkansas-democratic-campaign-manager-comes-home-to-find-childs-cat-murdered-liberal-written-on-dead-body/

Go ahead, give me the “This is a lone incident but, while deplorable and I fully denounce it, it’s clearly the work of a person who is crazed…having nothing to do with the vitriolic statements that are made daily” line. Do it.

Sick. Conservatism that buys into the rhetoric that liberals are evil and out to destroy America and/or your way of life is a DISEASE.

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given a choice between mitt romney and newt gingrich, i’ll take obama..

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Matti — “Gingrich’s career has been resurrected after he showed us that it’s VIRTUOUS to cheat on your sick wives, so long as you go ahead and dump them flat, and marry someone else to be a very public wife, bestow expensive jewelry on her, and flaunt it in the other wives’ faces while maligning them.”

*My goodness.*

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Point blank, you’re claiming now that you don’t recall saying that my mention of Godel is equivalent some kind of high school debate tactic??- Bruno

Bruno,

In fairness to Joe Mama I didn’t see where he denied to you any conversation about Godel that night.I remember it quite well though as well as Joe’s response which to paraphrase went something along the lines that he used to see the Godel argument all the time when he was in high school debates and used to dispatch the godel incompleteness theorem easily. That is what I recall but I don’t see Joe on here disputing that this conversation ever took place.

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Sounds like Jay’s trying to convince himself along with his lib posters that there is indeed hope that things will change and the electorate will buy into the Democrats strategy of class warfare, blame the previous administration while accepting that our economic conditions are now the new normal that everyone should just accept. I don’t think that’s happening or that it will happen in November regardless as who the Republicans nominee turns out to be.

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“Nope. I *did* call your mention of it that, and just so. However, I did *not* say that Godel’s IT *itself* was “simple,” as you wrongly claimed.”- Joe Mama

Joe mama,

Actually you did say that or something very similar to it. I don’t remember the exact words that you used but you did indeed try to ridicule the godel theorem as either simplistic, or weak, etc. Can’t remember exactly your verbage but if you didn’t use the word simple you used something very close to it.

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JamVet: Hopefully the good people of Arkansas will stand up as one and decry this depravity.

You’re far more likely to get the “isolated incident” excuse. The one that is so common that you hear it repeatedly every time something like this happens. Every single one of these things is isolated. Must be fun to be able to compartmentalize hundreds of incidents into separate isolation….

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our deepest connection is that we both ultimately care about our world, and realize that all folks are the same at some level.

Word. I just wish there was a way to bottle that sh*t up and put it on EBay. Maybe our country wouldn’t be as fragmented as it is now if that were the case.

Unfortunately, there can only be one Prez, so we’ll just have to duke it out like Brothers until then.

True. I’m sad that I don’t really see ANY candidate that I feel overwhelmingly confident in right now. I’d love to have one that I could support, but I’m just not feeling it now. They’re all f**ked up IMHO.

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KAMCHAK,

You may have split for the day but thanks for your advice on posting the drone thing on blogspot. I guess redirecting me is best you can do…very helpful…

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Adam =- “Must be fun to be able to compartmentalize hundreds of incidents into separate isolation…”

Hundreds Adam?..really?? all politically motivated by the conservatives?

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The last time I had a letter published in the AJC’s Sunday edition, one of my good “neighbors” in the community threw something disgusting in my driveway. (Among other pointless acts of retaliation I cannot fathom.) I’d share what it was, but my fear is that person is a regular hater here, and would remember who I am. YUCK! The kitty mutilation is appalling, but I’m sad to say I’m not surprised.

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warren b defending romney

funny

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You’re far more likely to get the “isolated incident” excuse.

A lot less isolated than you think.

16 year old Rhode Island student gets death threats. Her State Representative Peter G. Palumbo calls her “evil little thing”.

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‘It’s amusing to see the liberal outrage on morality when you consider, Bill Clinton, John Edwards, John Kerry and the Kennedy’s to name a few…’

Hate to break it to you, genius, but the outrage is that the ‘right’ mercilessly attack(s)ed Clinton and others for ‘moral shortcomings’ but brushes it aside for the guy with an ‘R’ by his name…

And, WTF on John Kerry…why is he in this group?

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Adam, I may be a naive kid form Kansas, but I still completely believe in the fundamental goodness of humanity. And though we will never see it on the news, I see it around me, everywhere I look.

From small gestures of kindness to people giving their own lives to save complete strangers. That is the god in us. What that despicable person did to that poor defenseless house pet, just to make a petty point, is the devil in us.

These words from Teddy Kennedy still touch me deeply. And I have always wanted tried to live them…

My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life; to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.

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The last time I had a letter published in the AJC’s Sunday edition, one of my good “neighbors” in the community threw something disgusting in my driveway. (Among other pointless acts of retaliation I cannot fathom.)

That strains credulity Matti. I have a hard time believing that a neighbor living close to you just happened to read a letter of yours and then just happened to get so mad at you that he then threw a dead animal or whatever in your driveway. And then you threw in “among other pointless acts of retaliation”. All over a freaking letter to the editor??? Sorry but I find that very difficult to believe.

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Damn, John Kerry’s gettin’ some on the side too???? Why defend marriage when nobody honors them anymore…

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I would have to vote for Mr. Romney. We 1% must stick together. If Mr. Gingrich were elected President he would start World War III and have to bring back the draft to force Democrats to fight for him in defense of our ( GOP ) country.

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