Solution for Israel: ‘Take out’ Obama?

It is a shame that it has come to this. A desperate people who feel that no one is listening.

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I’m not into indefinite detention without a trial for suspected terrorists, but in Adler’s case I could be persuaded to make an exception.

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I finally have found something I can almost agree with you, Jay, completely. ‘Almost’ only because ‘damn fool’ is far too mild. This is shameful and a total disgrace. Such threats have absolutely no place in our country. BTW, I am Jewish, a strong supporter of Israel, and a strong opponent of Obama.

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Not a smart move, Mr. Adler, and neither would be discussing this here and now. And, Jay, a gut shabbes to you, too,

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Headline: “One Mexican State Bordering The US Was Deadlier Than All of Afghanistan Last Year”

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Scout seems to have missed a few “threats”…. there is also “Someone should do this..[and someone does]” which may be incitement and advocating unlaws action and beyond the confines of free speech. Perhaps Scout should review some of the KKK cases on the subject. There are also a few recent abortion protestor cases where the court found, for example, that a website that listed and collected names and personal information on abortion providers and others was NOT free speech but was a true threat to bodily harm, assault or kill one or more of the [providers].”

And slightly off-topic: A judge has ordered President Barack Obama to appear in court in Atlanta for a hearing on a complaint that says Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen and can’t be president The President is not above the law or being forced to appear in court, but there is an entire body of law about when it is appropriate to subpoena an official like the President. I cannot fathom that the “standards” have been truly met (and I admit that is a gut opinion and I have NOT read the briefs or other documents so I am ignorant of the alleged facts in this specific case). Imagine if the President had to appear in every court hearing every time some nut like Orily decides to subpoena him. While I realize many of the conned birthers will cheer, it is foolish. Why I am sure we’ll hear about the cost of the President traveling to GA to appear for this matter just like we hear about vacation waste.

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I am not sure why Bookman printed this thread. Is he implying that all Isrealis want our president’s demise? All countries have their fringe element on both sides of an issue and Israel is no exception. That Black Panther thug in PA wanted to kill white babies but we all dismiss him as some sort of fringe kook with an attitude. Perhaps this guy would qualify.

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That’s why we have the Secret Service and the more we police
the world the more likely others are saying the same thing. Our
Presidents have to consider it comes with the territory. However
we do not have to suffer in silence and inaction, that’s why we
have CIA and the commandos.

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Scout,

Where are your college records and who paid for it.

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Good Fight:

1) I hear you but I don’t think you will see prosecution in this case as there does not appear to be a direct personal threat by Alder ………. as repulsive as his article was.

I believe the other cases you mentioned were also civil in nature for damages.

2) I think Romney should release (and any other candidate) all of his tax returns right now.
I think all candidates should release health records at least about major issues (heart, etc.).
I think all candidates should release college records and writings.

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Newt has been endorsed by Chuck Norris..Romney can pack his bag…

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Scout, whether they prosecute Alder or not is within the prosecutorial discretion. Alder’s statements were beyond stupid. Except for a few crazies, I anticipated that most Americans would be highly offended. But I don’t think that Adler’s comment is going to incite a foreign government to act. While I believe myself that they were an indirect threat and a foolish and unlikely call to action, prosecution is likely to incite more stupidity rather than to deter. Make that same type of call to action at a protest outside of a locale where the President is speaking to a group exercising their 2d amendment rights and you have a very actionable and dangerous situation that exeeds free speech.

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Good Fight:

“Scout, whether they prosecute Alder or not is within the prosecutorial discretion.”

Must disagree with you here. They have almost total discretion and I have seen it go both ways.

Some of it is sadly even political …………. as the result of U.S. Attorney’s being political appointments.

Again, I doubt you will see prosecution in this case …………. and an indictment does not prove guilt.

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You cons are traitors and should be deported to Israel today.

Despicable.

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Scout, how are the puppies?

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Why are you all getting so excited here?? Comes across to me as one more inflammatory blowhard. I don’t recall much furor regarding all of the death threats against Bush:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

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barking frog:

Doing great. Year and a half now.

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Newt has been endorsed by Chuck Norris..Romney can pack his bag…

Seems to me that Jay has been a little too quick in writing Gingrich’s campaign off as being some kind of joke. I’m looking forward to making him eat his words if Newt wins the SC primary tomorrow.

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Bruno:

Good article but as I said before it all depends on the wording and how it is made ……. direct or implied.

“Death to **** ” means what? Death by assassination? Heart attack? Old age?

“I Am Going to Kill **** ” however, is a different story …….. a direct threat in violation of 18USC871.

The Secret Service investigates, gives a good faith opinion to the U.S. Attorney’s office and they make the decision to authorize an arrest ………… or not.

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I have to correct my prior post somewhat on the Obama GA appearance, my recollection of a body of law appears to be cases involving Nixon and subpoena of tapes and questions regarding grand jury appearances by Clinton and Reagan. Also some executive privilege issues but I have not researched extensively. Could it be that we have a problem with an “activist” administrative law judge? Wait for the cries!

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I don’t recall much furor regarding all of the death threats against Bush

Real thin on actual evidence of a failure to prosecute or to have “furor”… in fact, actual evidence suggests otherwise:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-10-16-bush-myspace_x.htm

Also from Wikipedia In July 2003, the Los Angeles Times published a Sunday editorial cartoon by conservative Michael Ramirez that depicted a man pointing a gun at President Bush’s head; it was a takeoff on the 1969 Pulitzer Prize-winning photo by Eddie Adams that showed Vietnamese general Nguyễn Ngọc Loan executing a Viet Cong prisoner at point-blank range. The cartoon prompted a visit from the Secret Service, but no charges were filed.[16][17] In 2005, a teacher instructed her senior civics and economics class to take photographs to illustrate the rights contained in the United States Bill of Rights. One student “had taken a photo of George Bush out of a magazine and tacked the picture to a wall with a red thumb tack through his head. Then he made a thumb’s-down sign with his own hand next to the President’s picture, and he had a photo taken of that, and he pasted it on a poster.” A Wal-Mart photo department employee reported it to police, and the Secret Service investigated. In 2007, Purdue University student Vikram Buddhi was convicted of posting messages to Yahoo Finance criticizing the Iraq War and stating, “Call for the assassination of GW Bush” and “Rape and Kill Laura Bush.” The defense had argued that the defendant never explicitly threatened anyone. He was located despite efforts to disguise where the messages were coming from.[19]

In September 2009 the Secret Service investigated Facebook polls that asked whether President Barack Obama should be assassinated.[20] Some question has arisen as to how to handle Facebook groups such as “LETS KILL BUSH WITH SHOES” (a reference to the 2008 Muntadhar al-Zaidi shoe incident) which had 484 members as of September 2009;[21] similar issues have arisen on MySpace.[22] Tweets have come under Secret Service investigation, including ones that said “ASSASSINATION! America, we survived the Assassinations and Lincoln & Kennedy. We’ll surely get over a bullet to Barrack [sic] Obama’s head,” and “The next American with a Clear Shot should drop Obama like a bad habit. 4get Blacks or his claims to b[e] Black. Turn on Barack Obama.”[23] The former tweet was marked “#tlot,” a reference to “Top Libertarians on Twitter”.[24] In 2010, a man was charged for posting a poem entitled “The Sniper” about the President’s assassination on a white supremacist website.

Does this have to come to some absurd “Bush” derangement syndrome claim?

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Well, thanks for even considering it, Jay. The “real” Bruno is a pretty cool guy in person.

If you ever decide to come to Columbus, let me know. I could arrange a special tour of the Infantry Museum if you like. We’ve gotten pretty tight with the military brass here due to our military clinic. They appreciate us looking out for the guys…..

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0311/1811

See my 7:47 If I were running for President you would have them.

Scout,

I just got word that President Obama’s records are kept at his school too, just like yours, and that his education was also paid for with US currency, just like yours. So, you two are not that different in that regard after all. You should be happy or relieved at least. I know I am.

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Well, I’d say that you’re a lucky guy to have such a great life partner, Jay, except that I believe we make our own luck. Whatever our political differences may be (and obviously they are vast), I respect you for being a great husband, father and person.

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Kind of reminds me of all those things the left wrote about killing off President Bush. I guess the poor Demwits can’t take it like they can dish it out.

After getting re-elected, obama could be considered one of those third world dictators we are so fond of getting rid of these days…

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td- I hope the Jews wake up and not support him during this election cycle.

Well said td. The “love our enemies and alienate our friends tour” is coming home to roost.

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After getting re-elected, obama could be considered one of those third world dictators we are so fond of getting rid of these days…

Whenever I think that some of our conned posters have hit the absolute lowest they can go in posts of real stupidity, they seem to find a new low in the sewer. Now we have JKL suggesting that a lawfully elected president should somehow be “removed” from office.

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taxpayer- Those “things” must not have left much of a lasting impression if that’s the best you can remember

I wasn’t the only person who didn’t listen to that BS know as Air America. Now if we could just get the Demwit party to follow in their foot steps.

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Recon, I commend your post! No matter who is in office!

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keep- Now we have JKL suggesting that a lawfully elected president should somehow be “removed” from office.

Yes, it’s called an election.

But I’m sure you were protesting those books, stories, and movies about killilng Bush weren’t you?

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Come on JKL2, tell us all about those “things” that you cannot remember not listening to on Air America. Then perhaps you can fill in with any number of bedtime stories from those books and movies you can’t remember not reading or watching as well.

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taxpayer- In other words, you talk big and then follow behind the one carrying the big stick. I know your kind.

I guess that’s why I’ve spent almost 2/3rds of my life in the Army. But keep watching CNN and waving your flag. I’m sure your a real patriot.

Vote obama. Free money for everyone!

obama’s plan to stop illegal immigration: make the dollar worth a peso then everyone will move Mexico for the good jobs.

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Recon

Amen!!! And I’m 100% in agreement with you.

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taxpayer- Come on JKL2, tell us all about those “things” that you cannot remember not listening to on Air America

Had a boss who liked to listen too it. Nothing funner than listening to hate speech all night (amizing how profound Limbaugh is in that respect that “the left doesn’t get it”). I don’t know if it was nicer to hear our President refered to as “dumb a$$” or “chucklenuts” for hours on end. I guess it’s a shame we couldn’t throw the race card for anyone who disagreed with us.

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who is this guy, and why should you give any exposure?

to incite a riot?

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“to incite a riot?”

Shhhh…be vewy, vewy quiet and it’ll all just go away.

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keep- It seems however that your position on threats changes based on whether the R or D after the President’s name.

Just saying “pot meet kettle”. The left were hi fiving each other over get rid of Bush comments. Now some obscure guy in Israel says the same thing and your angry? Hipocracy much?

I unfortunately believe obama will be re-elected. Unlike you, I can’t be proud of electing someone based on class envy, race, and the promise of more welfare.

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The left were hi fiving each other over get rid of Bush comments. Utter nonsense. Please show us where the “left” was hi-5ing over unlawful threats to kill Bush. And please no garbage about the 1st amendment and some stupid movie.

Now some obscure guy in Israel says the same thing .. . Perhaps this is indicative of your comprehension skills tonight. Adler is owner of the Atlanta Jewish Times. Now last I heard Atlanta was not in Israel and nor is he.

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Thank you Recon –

And if a Republican is elected he will still be the President of MY country.

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TaxPayer:

“I just got word that President Obama’s records are kept at his school too, just like yours, and that his education was also paid for with US currency, just like yours. So, you two are not that different in that regard after all. You should be happy or relieved at least. I know I am.”

Ah, but I paid mine from my job income or the VA check I deposit into my account.

The question is what was the original “source” of his payments ? Those were pretty expensive schools for seven years.

Did he apply for student aid? Was it received?

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Call out the militia!

We already have JKL2, Del and Scout, maybe more. How many does it take to hold down a blog!

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Scout,

I know, I had no idea he could sing.

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The question is what was the original “source” of his payments ? Those were pretty expensive schools for seven years.

Did he apply for student aid? Was it received?

I have it on good authority that he got enough to pay all that was due and that was good enough for the school. Now if he had borrowed tens of thousands and not paid it back then that would be so wrong. Do you think that’s what he did, Scout!! Maybe he makes enough now to get caught up on his bills. Let’s hope so because the last thing we need is an indebted president of these United States.

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TaxPayer:

It’s not good enough for me. I want to know the “source”.

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jk,

He beat my candidate and I moved on.

Perhaps you should too.

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taxpayer- Maybe he makes enough now to get caught up on his bills.

Does that mean he can get “Aunt Tuni” off welfare? He obviously doesn’t make enough to take care of his own family.

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taxpayer- much less his service records

ROFL! Google is your friend. I’m having a really hard time getting those obama service records though…

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getalife- He beat my candidate and I moved on. Perhaps you should too.

Hope you can remember that in 10 more months.

I’ll move on when I know he’s out of office and can’t hurt our country any more.

Just waiting to vote against him for the fourth time.

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Jay, generally an opinion columnist states an opinion on something. Other than posting a column by a complete whack job and then commenting “Damn fool,” what exactly is the purpose of this ‘column’ if you can call it that? Do you have some opinion to express about this? What’s next: Posting the Unibomber Manifesto and then commenting “Gosh this guy’s a little out of touch.”

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“Paranoia flowing freely tonight, I see ….

Call out the militia!”

bookman wet dream.

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No surprise that this is not getting much more than from national media. Imagine of course if it had been a Muslim newspaper, or a Gentile (especially Southern) writer who had written similar. Google News & national TV media would be ALL over it. He’ll just say ’sorry’ and it’ll be all over with.

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Posting the Unibomber Manifesto and then commenting “Gosh this guy’s a little out of touch.”

Actually, something along the line of “damn nutcase” might be a good starting point.

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TaxPayer:

Just for that you are on K-P (kitchen police).

Night all …………. be nice !

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thanks for “part” of the news clipping.

That one is rightfully referred to by some as “damn fair use” rules.

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Once again my previous comment flew right over your head. Feel free to keep ranting though. It just makes this funnier and Limbaugh more accurate with every comment you make.

That’s nice. That wouldn’t happen to fall into that category of “things” that you cannot remember not watching, would it.

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More people than you will ever know.

You could always list them along with dollar amounts just so they will no longer be more than I will ever know.

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Taxpayer, I shoulda known you were a bookman buttkissin ajc mclovin’ fool.

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Senior Citizen Kane

January 20th, 2012
10:37 pm
Anybody have an opinion about Stalin?

You mean Obama’s mentor?

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taxpayer- You could always list them along with dollar amounts just so they will no longer be more than I will ever know.

I remember the 2000 election. Bush donations to charity $800k. Gore donations to charity $300(as in three Ben Franklins.) This is a similar example.

Have some friends at Walter Reed. Bush is regular visitor there. obama shows up on occasion with an army of reporters in tow for a few “photo ops”. (But of course all the compassion is on the left)

Liberalism: the greatest thing in the world until you run out of other people’s money.

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Alder apparently is pretty confident Obama’s lawyers won’t put him on the CIA’s drone take-out list, which so far is reserved for Muslims only. Looks like Alder is teamed up with Palin who had her own hit list. Is it strange that Alder’s threat is not reported in most of the major media? Is that a lobby or not?

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“I can’t believe I ate the whole thing.”
– Thomas Jefferson

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On topic: Boy Adler is one dumb mofo.

I’ll move on when I know he’s out of office and can’t hurt our country any more.

Sounds like someone’s got serious wood thinking this may happen.

Just sayin’.

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No surprise. Just another Jewish fascist. As Israel becomes increasingly theocratic, it’s all that you can expect.

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“lil baldy say, don’t cry over spilt ilk.” speaker of the house.

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JLK2 – 10:46
“Have some friends at Walter Reed. Bush is regular visitor there. obama shows up on occasion with an army of reporters in tow for a few “photo ops”. (But of course all the compassion is on the left)”

I damn well hope W goes to Walter Reed since his dumb ass put soldiers into harms way without valid reason and then failed to properly execute 2 unfunded wars. We’re still in the longest war this country has ever been involved in trying to bribe a culture into letting us bring them into this century and you’re proud that W goes and visits wounded vets? You can have blind allegiance but I don;t.

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America should take notice! This is the presumption that Israel has. And every jewish American with greater loyalty to Israel is a potential traitor. We should not ignore that this attitude dictates America do whatever Israel wants….or else.

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Left wing radio talker Mike Malloy said the following after President Obama announced the killing of Osama Bin Laden:

“So when does Seal Unit 6, or whatever it’s called, drop in on George Bush? Bush was responsible for a lot more death, innocent death, than bin Laden. Wasn’t he, or am I wrong here?”

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Correct me if I’m wrong Jay, but I believe making a direct threat against the President of The United States can get you thrown in jail. Of course, this is an election year and Obama doesn’t dare do anything to lose the Jewish vote. Only in America!!!!!!

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MSNBC’s Amy Robach in 2006 mildly wondered if “Death of a President” movie depicting the imagined assassination of President Bush was “poor taste or, as some say, thought-provoking?”

On his radio show in 2009, Ed Schultz wished for Dick Cheney’s death: “He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion, Dick Cheney is, he is an enemy of the country … Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you?”

Also on his radio show, in 2010, Schultz shouted: “Dick Cheney’s heart’s a political football. We ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him!”

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The CIA was involved in the coups that occurred in both Iran and Iraq that led to the rise and ultimate downfall of the Shah of Iran and Saddam in Iraq; the resulting consequences of which the USA is still dealing with and will continue to deal with in the future in the middle east. Not to mention the covert actions of CIA agents in South America during the 1960’s.

You can enlighten further yourself by reading: Family of Secrets written by Russ Baker.

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“It called Crane Technique. If do right, no can defense.”

–Thomas Jefferson

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Jay

Read that piece, and I’d agree it’s quite interesting.

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Road Scholar

Have you ever been able to talk a cinder block into barking like a dog? That’s basically what you’re attempting to do with your 8:53 post. I’m willing to bet that you’d be able to get that block to bark before you’re able to reason with someone with that one-track line of thought.

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So, the Nation that gave y’all Jesus wants to kill our President…too funny!

Actually we had plans to fight Britain, France, Germany and Japan back in the ’20’s. War games…
We just need what every Miss America says is the most important to her…World Peace…just imagine…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q0Eyw3l3XM

Actually I like Israel, having been there when in the Navy. They have their radicals too like everywhere else. Uber Nationalists who think their sh*t don’t stink…no big deal.

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I used to listen to Randi but she’s a nutter just like Rush. Hmmm, an “R” in both names….I wonder…radical?

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I blame Israel and AIPAC for this nuts comments. I read Israeli newspapers and the venom expressed towards Obama is similar to this Israel Firster. He should be deported to join the other crazed, religious fanatics that run Israel’s government. They are trying to bully the US to attack Iran on Israel’s behalf. The Republican Jewish neo-cons ( Kristol, Feith, Perle, Wolfowitz, and Abrams) that lied our way into Iraq, still control the Republican Party and have received pledges from all Presidential candidates, except for Paul, for war with Iran, ayear before the election. Wake up, folks. The same disinformation program, like the lead up to the war in Iraq has begun. Israel wants us to have a pre-emptive war with Iran regarding alleged WMD’s. Been there, done that, and it sure worked out well. Google or use youtube and type-in “israeli settlers” to meet the religious fanatics from hell that control Israel’s government. Get ready to fight any attempt by ther US to attack Iran. Our economy and the world’s economy will go into a tailspin and and many lives will be lost. I have no problem with Iran having a nucleur weapon since Israel has about 400 warheads and their religious fanatics more than match the ayatollahs.

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‘I can’t get no satisfaction’

- Newt Gingrich

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MSNBC’s Amy Robach in 2006 mildly wondered if “Death of a President” movie depicting the imagined assassination of President Bush was “poor taste or, as some say, thought-provoking?”

Those Brits and their movies! I thought they were Bush’s friends although I must admit that I have mildly wondered if that is truly the case. Anyway, I would not and did not waste my time it. The book, “The Death of a President,” might be a better investment. As for the former veep, Dick Cheney, were people still interested in him after he was out of office. Why. Was there talk of him doing a Darth Vader spinoff or something.

Wow! Lots of rain today. It’s gonna be hard to squeeze in a walk.

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road scholar- It’s called exercise; so what do you do to keep in shape and relieve stress?

To racap from earlier, I’m in the Army so I’m forced to exercise at least 6 hours a week. I can also score higher than 50 in a game of bowling and throw a baseball farther than 60 feet (I threw in the low 80’s until I blew out my shoulder in football)

Played flag football last year and we’re getting ready for softball season. Personally I like to ride my bike. I ride about 3,000 miles a year. I’ll also play a couple rounds of golf each year.

-I guess when President Bush left the White House, all the wounded and maimed were miraculously healed

If you haven’t been keeping up with current events, Bush has been out of office for over three years now. (I know it’s hard to believe since the left still blames him for everything going on in the country now, but I swear it’s true.) Wouldn’t be much of a hospital if you had patients for that long…

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Bro, too funny.

And Robert makes a good point.

The PNAC stooges do have a bunch of malignant Hebes involved.

And they represent the very worst of neo-conservatism – militarists from the comfort of their armchairs. No valor, no service before self, no sacrifice.

They are the tragically deformed outliers in American Judaism.

That they were able to influence criminal cowards like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell et al to the extent they did, is a testament to the power of their despicable ideas…

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Re Newt in the White House. There is a reason that none of the dozens of congressmen/women that worked with Newt as Speaker have endorsed him for president. They all say he is just plain incompetent.

During the Clinton days the budget was balanced, not because of Newt, but in spite of Newt.

Besides Newt is at heart a lifelong Democrat. He only became a Republican so he could run in the general election against the sitting Democrat, Jack Flynt.

Besides if Newt cannot manage something as simple as a two person marriage, why does anyone think he can manage the Executive Branch of 4.4 million people?

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Personally I like to ride my bike. I ride about 3,000 miles a year.

Blindfolded. Backwards. While wearing heals. With both arms tied behind your back….

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mick- Paranoia all around

You’re not paranoid when they’re really trying to kill you. They even have rocket attacks and suicide bombers to prove it.

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road scholar- “I’ll move on when I know he’s out of office and can’t hurt our country any more. ”Promise?

Wish you demwits could say the same thing about President Bush. You do realize he isn’t president anymore don’t you?

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NoCom

Newt wants to screw ALL of America??

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“Newt wants to screw ALL of America??”

Bro! Don’t go putting ideas in his head!

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‘Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean that little green men aren’t out to circumcise you with a chainsaw.’

Thomas Jefferson

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As an IL resident I’ll be voting against him for my fourth time.

Translation: I voted for a loser four times in a row.

Just sayin’.

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common sense- He can screw around as much as he wants to and they will have to live with it

I see Bill Clinton smiling at you…

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doggone- True, so who’s trying to kill you?

Since I’m not sitting on the battlefield or in Israel, no one. I will say that getting shot at is highly overrated though.

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“Since I’m not sitting on the battlefield or in Israel, no one”

Then you ARE paranoid, since it appears no one IS out to get you after all.

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“Looks like Jay has deleted my post”

Well, I read it…so it WAS there.

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JKL2: You may want to add a verb to your last paragraph. Eliminating armed force jobs insinuates Peace is breaking out! If not aren’t we in a position to insist our allies belly up to the bar on most of these “police actions”? And you do not respect your leadership?

Don’t get me wrong, I respect you and yours for serving our country. But with an attitude like yours, I’d be looking to send you off if not out of the military, to a job/location out of the mainstream. What is your rank?

Common: Ouch!

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JKL -

you do realize Clinton isn’t running for President, don’t you?

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kamchak- Translation: I voted for a loser four times in a row.

To quote Satchel from “Get Bucky” “What happens when all the stupid people vote? The Democrat wins”

Everyone I voted for in 2010 won. Hopefully the trend will continue.

You do realize obama comes from Chicago don’t you? Besides being the home of the most corrupt politicians in the country, it’s also 98% Democrat. It’s hard to believe a black man, sponsored by crooks, for the extremely dominant party in Chicago could ever get elected…

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robert @ 9:07: Great post!

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying for months on this blog, much to consternation of some here.

What we have here is the “Israel tail wagging the United States dog.” AIPAC has far too much leverage over our elected officials and will launch concerted attacks on any Representative or Senator who doesn’t fall in line.

We are on the verge of World War III and Israel would gladly take us into it. Wake up, people.

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And the story has already vanished from even the AJC.

Before making such a statement, I would refresh the AJC homepage. Looking at the “Latest Headlines” section, this is what I saw just now:

Latest Headlines »
87-year-old Gwinnett man missing
Last Henry County bank closes
Burglar’s steal son’s combat medals
Ivy Prep rejected again
Cops: Man stole $50K in jewelry
Cop: Evidence against me made up
Killer hanged self with sweatshirt
Publisher suggests ‘hit’ on Obama
Hawks fall in Philadelphia
Girl killed by pellet gun

Doesn’t seem like it’s vanished from the AJC to me.

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taxpayer- debt that Republicans refuse to accept

ROFLMAO! The party of “I never met a spend increase I didn’t like” complainig the other party doesn’t want to take responsibility for debt. (ever heard of the Tea Party?). If you hated Bush spending, you should want to assassinate obama yourself.

So this is all about JKL2 losing his taxpayer-funded job

I’m good with the job. Unfortunately I hitched my wagon to the pension years ago and it’s looking like I’ll never receive a dime(peso) of it. I gave up on Social Security, but was at least hoping to get my pension.

Thanks for your support of us servicemen.

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md

I do believe there was sizeable outrage over the targeting of US Citizens.

You do realize obama comes from Chicago don’t you? Besides being the home of the most corrupt politicians in the country, it’s also 98% Democrat. It’s hard to believe a black man, sponsored by crooks, for the extremely dominant party in Chicago could ever get elected…

Seems like that GOP Minority Outreach program’s a complete bust… Can’t blame people for voting for the opposition when you don’t do jack sh*t to persuade them to join forces with you instead.

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JKL2,

If you lose a government pension, it will be as a result of the Republican’s efforts. They’re the only ones pushing that sort of Draconian cut in government in case you have not noticed. And as for the debt, yes, the Republicans refuse to acknowledge that the bulk of it is their own creation and that tax hikes — not tax cuts — are needed to pay for it.

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For a wee bit of perspective from others outside our shores (or some inside our shores):

It was first reported in January of last year that the Obama administration had compiled a hit list of American citizens whom the President had ordered assassinated without any due process, and one of those Americans was Anwar al-Awlaki. No effort was made to indict him for any crimes (despite a report last October that the Obama administration was “considering” indicting him). Despite substantial doubt among Yemen experts about whether he even had any operational role in Al Qaeda, no evidence (as opposed to unverified government accusations) was presented of his guilt. When Awlaki’s father sought a court order barring Obama from killing his son, the DOJ argued, among other things, that such decisions were “state secrets” and thus beyond the scrutiny of the courts. He was simply ordered killed by the President: his judge, jury and executioner. When Awlaki’s inclusion on President Obama’s hit list was confirmed, The New York Times noted that “it is extremely rare, if not unprecedented, for an American to be approved for targeted killing.”

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road scholar- And you do not respect your leadership?

Very respectful of my leadership. Love working for all of them. Unfortunately, obama doesn’t know the first thing about leadership. Glad I don’t have to work with him.

I’m an SFC. Trust me, I’ll lead the way in getting rid of fraud waste and abuse. Unfortunately we are subject to the whims of politicians who often don’t have our best interest at heart. With our current OP Tempo, the military needs to remain “fat” for awhile to give our troops time to recover. Making cuts at this time is a bad thing.

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The dueling condidate twits are going to have a Ham House hambush?

How ironically appropriate.

And how about this? The Nutter playing UP his Spiro-like prickish persona?

“He’s likeable. I would never beat Obama in a personality contest.”

No, and you’d also likely never beat Pol Pot, Idi Amin or Saddam Hussein, either…

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common sense- you do realize Clinton isn’t running for President, don’t you?

You’re criticizing Gengrich and projecting a trait onto him that was possessed by your Patron Saint William Jefferson Clinton. How could it be bad for Newt when it was glorified by the left in Clinton? “leave his private life alone” “he can compartmentalize” “JFC screwed around and nobody complained about him”

MoveOn.org was founded upon Clinton’s infidelity.

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Clinton’s infidelity was being outed by the republican hypocrites, a veritable cornucopia of wife cheaters…

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Making cuts at this time is a bad thing.

Th exact same mantra we’ve heard for thirty years.

An inviolable cornerstone of the Party of Permanent War.

And the only famous military quote I can think of to describe this collective paranoia is “Nuts”.

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Bookman loves to stir the pot with extremists. A more interesting story would be about the mess out at the airport.

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“A more interesting story would be about the mess out at the airport.”

blogspot.com is ready whenever you are

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doggone- “It’s hard to believe a black man, sponsored by crooks, for the extremely dominant party in Chicago could ever get elected” Why is that hard to believe?

It was said I voted for losers. I knew that before I cast my vote. Doesn’t mean I didn’t vote for the better candidate. I just didn’t vote based on skin color, class envy, or the promise of greater welfare.

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Mick, we had it rockin’ as usual last night on the other concurrent thread.

I had no idea this one was even up until this morning.

Nice bluesy Zep for a soggy Saturday AM…

To me, this one just drips with that signature sensuous sound of theirs…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkjv9SscotY&feature=related

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Please, oh, please let Newt the Nutster be the nominee! PLEASE!

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jamvet

Oh yeah, that is a great zep tune, great bluesy feel….here’s a cool rain song-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjDMZiuhbQ

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This Ragin’ Cajun cracks me up sometimes.

The guy certainly has the neo-cons nailed…

Memo to Republican Establishment:

PS — As my former boss once said, I feel your pain. That’s why I didn’t mention Rick Perry.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/21/opinion/carville-republican-disaster/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

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taxpayer- If you lose a government pension, it will be as a result of the Republican’s efforts.

I’ll offer up there should be a big difference between my pension and that of a government official. Remember when govenment officials used to be civil servants? Now most are the highest overpaid positions out there. I would do my job for less, but compared to what I have had to sacrifice next to some sitting behind a desk pretending to be important, I feel I kind of deserve it. It you want to cut some payroll, most officers are grossly overpaid and I won’t even go into contractors.

Until the government unions get under control, nothing will change.

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“I would do my job for less, but compared to what I have had to sacrifice next to some sitting behind a desk pretending to be important, I feel I kind of deserve it.”

I would concur……seems there should be a “life on the line” component in the equation………

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soco……don’t you think that same type oath is taken by other leaders around the world??

My point……I find it a bit hypocritical to wag our finger at others for discussing what we do ourselves.

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Did anyone notice IL passed up CA as the most fiscally unstable state?

No, but I have noticed that all during this thread you have been the biggerst whiny baby about how bad your life is.

Just sayin’.

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Until the government unions get under control, nothing will change.

Please don’t tell me you’re afraid of the dark too…

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biggerst

Is that like a big assed bratwurst or something?

md

Point taken. I’d also add that there’s a split within this country over whether we should do such things or not. I don’t find it hypocritical when it’s not something that’s agreed upon with unanimous consent from all citizens and parties involved.

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Bro – you know in your heart that it’s the Gov’t union thugs that has caused all the problems.

OMG

Hyperbole much?

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doggone- WHY would it be hard to believe he “could ever get elected”?

Get some coffee because your obviously still asleep. It’s a facetious statement.

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md

That it does, and it appears there would be conflict between the two if defending the Constitution required taking action without due process. I’m gonna wager that most legal experts would lean more towards defending the Constitution in that instance, but I won’t say that’s a definite answer.

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JKL2,

I’d say the issue of benefits is a bit more involved than you have indicated based on this overview. Anyway, whatever the benefits, how do you think they should be paid for? More tax cuts? Certainly not tax hikes!! How un-Republican! How about we just take the payroll taxes that the working class have paid and give those to the military retirees instead. Or we could eliminate Medicaid and unemployment benefits, etc., and tell those people that it is just the price they have to pay you for your willingness to protect them from harm…

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NoCom

Trying to label government unions as some kind of threat is like claiming you have an attack dog in your home because your significant other has a teacup poodle.

AmVet

I’ve been watching that situation unfold, and I’m surprised at the silence surrounding the entire fiasco. It will be interesting to see things play out. I think it’s just good to see democratic processes working as they should.

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Are you advocating the assassination of the president then? We all know he hates the Constitution.

WE don’t know that. Some people, you included, may think that, but there’s not a single person who could prove that beyond a reasonable doubt at this time.

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“…but downsizing personnel at this time would be bad.”

For whom?

The republic?

For our gargantuan deficit?

For our national security?

Please.

The ONLY reason that it would suck for those guys is that in this post-apocalyptic, corporate destroyed capitalism, there are very few good jobs for anybody. Even veterans.

So let’s cut to the chase, for the chickenhawks who run the Republican Party there will NEVER, EVER, EVER be a good time to do it.

To them, these men and women are not much more than political tools to be used as canon fodder whenever they get that frequent vicarious bloodlusting itch. Or is it a rash?

And they can all kiss my ___….

Support the troops.

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Bro – No I know all you gov’t types are just pu$$ycats

JKL is just this with a bad attitude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDiLOMP9MNE

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You do realize the President sends out thousands of cards don’t you? I’m the only one in my family not on the Presidental mailing list.

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I’m depressed now since I didn’t get mine this year.

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Jamvet- speaking of labor unions, it looks like the quasi-fascists in Wisconsin are going to learn in humiliating fashion the results of trying to be dictatorial dickheads

Is that why Scott Walker has raised more money in the last 6 month than any governor in history? All this recall BS is going to do is wast about $10 million WI taxpayer dollars. WI is kicking a$$ since he took over. Fell free to compare it to it’s southern brother IL if you want.

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A little cheer on a gloomy, rainy winter day…

http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/on-politics/2012/01/19/aaaa-mittx-large.jpg

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I doubt jk works for the government .

I doubt jk has a job.

Big Sis should keep a eye on that con.

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Bro – I know. My father was ‘civil service’ and really understood and explained what that meant.

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If you guys think Jay’s got it in for Newt, ya might oughta have a look at Rude Pundit’s latest…

[W]hen Gingrich went all angry chimp on CNN’s John King at last night’s GOP South Carolina debate over a question about Marianne Gingrich’s interview with ABC, it wasn’t only unexpected. It’s what he does. He’s always the victim. When he said, “I am tired of the elite media protecting Barack Obama by attacking Republicans,” you could have put Bill Clinton in there.

No, there’s no issue about a sociopathic character flaw here that might be of interest to the voters.

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Brosephus- Some people, you included, may think that, but there’s not a single person who could prove that beyond a reasonable doubt at this time.

Another 2 second google answer…

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/obama-constitution/2008/10/27/id/326165

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Well, I guess today all those fine folk in South Carolina are trying not to scrape their knuckles as they walk to the polls.

I sure hope they have decent weather. Unlike us. Heck, we’re in the middle of a thunderstorm up here at Simpsons Trailer Park. In the middle of January. This is crazy.

My guess is, old Newt might of picked up a few votes from the men in SC over that report of him wanting a open marriage. Which is no marriage at all. I guess us people will watch the returns at Billy Bob’s and brag a little about how this country is getting back to the Conservative way of doing things. And in the end I’m afraid it’ll go the Way of McCain and we’ll have four more years of the Socialist Illegal Kenyan. But at least we’ll of got our licks in. Then I start thinking of No. 1 Foxy Lady getting on here and telling us all to . . . well, you know.

Oh well, it’s a gloomy day, might as well think gloomy thoughts. Have a good Saturday everybody.

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jamvet- For whom? The republic? For our gargantuan deficit? For our national security? Please

It’s all rainbows and unicorns here in obamaland. We are so well respected around the world, I don’t know why we don’t just get rid of the military now…

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My advice to cons is you can’t beat him so join him.

And when some loud mouthed punk calls for our President’s assassination, stand up for your country cons.

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“It’s fun to stay at the YMCA” — Thomas Jefferson

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“Recon 0311 2533

January 20th, 2012
9:06 pm

I’m not a supporter of the policies of our president but as Americans we decide through the election process. A threat against our president is a threat against America and that is unacceptable regardless of ideological beliefs.”

That is what I am talking about cons.

It is not a partisan issue jk.

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JKL2

Don’t worry about Medicare because your wonderful Obamacare is going to get rid of that on it’s own.

JKL2,

That is your handle parked next to that implication so it would be you making said implication. Kindly park your Limbaugh Lingo at the door and pick it up when you exit. As for my question of how to pay your benefits, I see you failed to reply. Care to try again. How about since the DoD gets 700 billion annually and your benefits are only 100 billion, you convince your superiors to get by on a mere 600 billion per year. Perhaps a small cut in active deployed troops and even a little cut in some futuristic aircraft or something similar will do the trick. That way, the people whom you claim to be fighting to protect might still be alive when you come back stateside to check up on ‘em. It’s a win-win.

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And when some loud mouthed punk calls for our President’s assassination, stand up for your country cons.

getalife, I am almost certain we will never see that happen.

Yes, I think obama will get re-elected, because when too many stupid people vote, the Democrat wins.

So says the man who voted for George “Worst Ever” Bush twice…

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Our President beat Hillary and McCain fair and square.

I would suggest you watch the State of the Union address to see the OWS movement was heard and our President will continue to act without corrupt congress.

The majority will agree and he will win .

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“Per Jay: Mr. Green, who was the most recent victim of a CIA assassination, in your mind?”

Well, if we really knew they wouldn’t be a very good CIA now would they?

But that said, perhaps it’s hard for nuclear scientists to get life insurance in Iran.

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My question to Israel is if we are such great allies, why do they have Mossad agents in our country that could assassinate our President.

king should start hearing on this question and find these spies..

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getalife:

Could and would are two different things.

We have FBI and CIA working out of our Embassy in Israel also.

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I’ll leave with this last nugget of wisdom:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Have a good weekend.

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You libs have such a double standard when it comes to your messiah. If I saw one then I saw a million pictures of Bush in the cross hairs from websites like moveon and the huffington post. I did not see a blog condemning them. Where were you libs then?

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I don’t want to see him assassinated because then we would be stuck with blathering idiot Biden…

There it is, in black and white.

So if the Vice President were somebody meeting his rigorous requirements, Obama’s assassination wouldn’t be all that bad?

And given the violence addicted psychoses that run very deep in the far right wing, I’m only a tad surprised that there hasn’t been a modern day James Earl Ray. Seriously.

Time to go rely on government handouts by using the public roads.

Stay dry and…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQHZ7nvBSLY

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I’ll leave with this last nugget of wisdom:

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JamVet

January 21st, 2012
12:10 pm

“And given the violence addicted psychoses that run very deep in the far right wing”

This is about the biggest bunch of crap I have read on this blog in a long time. Let us compare the the Tea Party rallies with the OWS events. Now tell me where the violence came from?

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Now tell me where the violence came from?

Can you say “law enforcement”? Lt. Tony Bolgna and the pepper spray troopers.

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“Release the kraken!”
– Thomas Jefferson

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“Anyway, like I was sayin’, shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey’s uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There’s pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That… that’s about it.”

–Thomas Jefferson

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Welcome to the Occupation

January 21st, 2012
12:24 pm

Absolutely. There is a huge difference between the peaceful rallies of the right and the anarchist rallies of the left. Not one moment of violence ever recorded at a Tea Party rally and the OWS had to have safe tents for women because rape was so prevalent.

Why should I not make the comparison?

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JKL2 leaves just in time for the next nugget generator to show up. Hi td. Shift rotation time, eh.

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speaking of nuggets, time for me to clean the litter boxes.

I, too, have to get wet as I’m all out of fresh litter.

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Not one moment of violence ever recorded at a Tea Party rally and the OWS had to have safe tents for women because rape was so prevalent.

Oh vey…. someone seems to forget spitting by Tea Partiers… and to ignore the evidence that some police directed homeless and other street people with violent tendencies and illnesses to the overnight occupation. But you have proof that these acts were committed by ACTUAL protestors and not merely someone who happened to be there?

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JamVet

January 21st, 2012
12:31 pm

If you want to have a pi$$ing contest then why not include the leaders of your movement. Lenin, Stalin and Moa?

We all know people like you are nothing more then communist (you can call yourself progressive/liberal/social democrat/enlightened…). You hate capitalism and everything capitalism stands for. You hate the fact that some people are smarter then you are, work harder then you do and succeed in life. You want the benevolent government to control the masses and make all of them equal in not only opportunity but also in outcome. You despise Religion (especially Christianity) because it sets clear standards as to how you should live your life and you feel guilty for not living that way.

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sanitarium wins Iowa.

The newt wins SC.

willard is losing.

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Looks like gop civil war all the way to the convention.

Rip each other to pieces gop.

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‘Beware of people not earning a paycheck’

- Thomas Jefferson

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Jay wrote: So Mr. Green, you’re referencing events of 40, 50 or more years ago.
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The consequences of which we as a nation have been dealing with ever since and to which a line can be drawn to the bombing of the Twin Towers in 2001. Indeed had we left Iran alone and not put the Shah in power and then funded his ability to brutalize his own people the Iranian students would have had no reason what so ever to attack the US embassy. Which led to the hostage crisis during Pres. Carter’s administration and to our current problems in the region as the US continues to try and bully the Iranian govt. in our time.

Had we left Iraq alone Saddam may have not come to power which caused the events that led up to the war in Iraq that has only recently ended.

The CIA still exists along with its covert operations aimed at foreign nations. Until Americans force their leaders to publicly renounce the tactic of assassinating foreign heads of state and interfering in other countries American citizens have no moral high ground on which to complain when others seek to remove our leaders and/or interfere with our affairs.

Turn about, after all, is fair play.

Finely as an Newspaper editor Jay you especially should be aware that the past always affects both the present and future as the majority of the population begins to forget the past. It is after all part of your job description to both educate and remind the public and our leaders of past events along with their resulting consequences both intended and unintended so as to help us not repeat them.

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Poor td, he’s got absolutely nothing intelligent to say on the matter, and is utterly incapable of countermanding any of those facts I listed, so he does what he always does, and he does it really well – goes all juvenile delinquent and makes it personal.

SSDD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWPrIJpHenE

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Good points, David Green:

eed had we left Iran alone and not put the Shah in power and then funded his ability to brutalize his own people the Iranian students would have had no reason what so ever to attack the US embassy.

Didn’t you get the memo, David? Since around 2001 when the Bush/Cheney regime set the pattern for what the US response would be to global violence visited (revisited?) on us, that question has been strictly forbidden. It’s the road that must not be gone down, the question that must not be asked at all costs. So no one dare ask it. After that colossal historical trauma of 9/11, this country had a chance to at least begin a process of soul-searching which would have consisted in an effort as a nation to consider whether we just might have had some responsibility, through our cynicism and ruthless preservation of self interest in foreign policy, often covert, even if it meant trampling on the ideals we were professing as a nation our of the other side of our mouths, for creating perhaps some of the violence that we were now suffering. But faced with that opportunity, the Bush/Cheney people, helped along by the so-called ‘liberal’ media, slammed that door shut with great force and placed a ‘do not open’ sign on it, under heavily armed guard.

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“Cut, cap, and . . . uh, what was that third thing?”—Rick Perry

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Jam–You working up a good head of steam for the concert tonight?? I’m really looking forward to seeing Deep Blue Sun again—I’m sure they’ll throw down some serious jams. Their lead guitarist, Matt Lynn, is outstanding, one of the best I’ve ever heard.

PB and I are going to head out around 5, we’ll call you on the way.

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NoCom @ 1:23

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The indoctrination is working.

Let’s ignore the incredibly high gas prices, even though there is plenty of reserves.

Let’s ignore the new presidential decrees that say that the Government can monitor reporters and monitor anyone that the government might think as being an adversary of the government.

Let’s concentrate on the personalities of the party that has no power, but wants to put a stop to the insane movements of the current government.

Let’s make religion the enemy. Let’s make corporations the enemy.

Anything but the government and what they say is evil and must be silenced.

Let’s listen to only the media outlets that protect this administration and demonize any who dare speak out against what this government wants or claims.

Let’s accept unemployment numbers that only include people who have recently lost their jobs when we all know that people have been losing their jobs for over five years and many have simply stopped looking.

Let’s accept inflation numbers that do not include food prices which continue to rise at levels that we have never seen.

Let’s just shrug and pay the $5.60/gallon for skim milk bought, not at whole foods, not at the high dollar designer grocery stores but at Walmart.

Let’s accept the fact that in the past three months, the costs of vegetables have increased an average of 48%, and in the past year, almost 200%.

Let’s make jokes about the fact that more people are now on food stamps than ever before in the history of the country. And of course more Americans living in poverty than ever before.

Let’s continue to ignore the incredible profits being made by the Health Insurance Companies while private businesses have to resort to offering no more than catastrophic insurance for their employers where before ObamaCare, they had great insurance with dental and eye care.

Let’s demonize the opposing party candidate that dares to speak out for people demanding, not food stamps but jobs.

Let’s ignore the fact that the current president brags about raising a billion dollars to be used to destroy the credibility of anyone who runs against him and in the same speech talks about how evil Republicans are for their associations with rich people.
Let’s demonize the Tea Party, while the top eight domestic terrorists, listed on the FBI’s top eight list are all progressives or liberals and most from far left, radical groups and one being a member of Black Liberation Theology, the exact same teachings that Obama’s Chicago church educated its members in.

Unfortunately, I have very little doubt that Obama will win in the fall and everything I have written in this post will continue to get worse and worse.

I hate to say this, but Americans, look around. This may be as good as it will ever get.

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The Clinton peace and prosperity was as good as it gets.

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td

Republican politicians have been using brainwashing and propaganda methods, given to them by their corporate sponsors in the advertising industry, to paint Socialism as little more than the work of Satan. Their corporate masters see Socialism as threatening the one and only thing they truly care about, their huge personal estates. These sociopaths have instructed their Republican lackeys to paint Sociaism in the most vile and disgusting manner possible. You are one of the best success stories they have ever had. You believe everything they say, no matter how unbelievable it is.

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Welcome

Is there any more snow heading my way (Cleveland)?

Only had 4-6 and everyone is still skeered (I wonder how they ever won the war of Northern Agression)

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getalife@2:14 pm

The Clinton peace and prosperity was as good as it gets.

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I hope you’re wrong, but fear you’re right.

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Sadly Jay the concept of removing a head of state by assassination remains a tool within our leaders statecraft and foreign policy which they will not hesitate to use if they think that they can get away with it.

Whether it is used or not and our enemies know this.

While I personally would nor call for nor condone the assassination of a sitting president neither will I weep for him/her either; especially if they turn out to be any where near as amoral as the last several presidents our nation has regretfully endured before Obama was elected.

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Of course someone who posts a torrent of fear and paranoia like Good as it might get at 2:11 is not susceptible to reasoned argumentation, but I’ll take up just one of the points:

Let’s demonize the opposing party candidate that dares to speak out for people demanding, not food stamps but jobs.

Demonize?

Like the way the Republican establishment rushed their idea goons out to summarily crush the seriousness of the Ron Paul candidacy the moment it began to look like he might be gaining even the slightest inkling of momentum? That demonization?

Or the way the ruling establishment no doubt told Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich in no uncertain terms that they would reap the consequences — one dare not speculate what — if they did not cease and desist immediately from drawing attention to Mitt Romney’s actions at Bain Capital and its poster boy status of the klepto-capitalism that has thrived in this system since the 1980s?

That kind of demonization?

Besides, who among this opposition is “speaking out for people demanding, not food stamps but jobs”?

What has a single one of these people done to create a single job?

Mitt Romney?

Are you joking?

A man who as we speak is sheltering along with his wife dozens of millions of dollars in tax havens in the Cayman Islands?

With tax rates for the wealthy at historically low levels, that money sitting off shore is obviously working wonders to create jobs for Americans.

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Myself: What has a single one of these people done to create a single job?

Ok, I realize Rick Perry has some claim to that in Texas.

But the lower-income nature of the majority of these new Texas jobs, combined with the direction his state has moved in terms of social safety net programs, means to me that his record is in no way something to brag about when it comes to creating opportunity and security for working people (i.e., people needing jobs).

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JAY,

Agreed but the depths the NYT will sink to beyond the editorial page is insane. I can think of many more accurate headlines other than a praising of Obama on this particular topic. NYT is more jaded left than Fox is jade right.

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Pretty despicable for this man to be advocating assassination of a sitting U.S. president as an option.

But lets not forget our own hypocrisy considering how many foreign presidents we have either assassintated, targeted for assassination, or flat out sponsored coups that overthrew their govts. We’ve done lots of that in our own hemisphere alone- Guatemala in 1954, Salvador Allende in 1973. And in many instances we’ve then had those govts replaced with and supported despotic dictators like Somoza, Batista, Pinochet, and on and on.

So while what this man said was effed up lets put away the faux outrage considering our own sordid history of taking out leaders of other countries whether by assassination or coup.

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“Book’em Dano.”

–Thomas Thomas

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JamVet

January 21st, 2012
1:52 pm

Was my post personal? Are you a progressive/socialist/communist? If so then it was about you and many others that think like you do because you are a danger to our nation and our way of life.

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Socialist — SQUIRREL!

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Kamchak,

I don’t see many adults in their 30s or 40s working at fast food places except in management. I do see a ton of immigrants in those restaurants. And of course nonskilled labor is always going to gravitate towards fast food work.

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America, Israel, and the entire world would be better off if Obama would step down and go home to Chicago.

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Obama hates Israel because Obama is a traitor for the Muslim Brotherhood , PLO, Hamas, and Hezbullah.

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I don’t see many adults in their 30s or 40s working at fast food places except in management.

You would if you came inside the perimeter, especially south of I-20.

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getalife, Get back jack Obama and youliberals are the enemy of America.

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Sock-puppets.

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severing the relationship between work and money altogether.

I think we’re already there, but not in the way you describe.

Serfdom, where we work, but not for $, but for the benevolence crumbs from our Galtian overlords.

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kamchak,

Yes. You are correct. But a lot of those people count as unskilled job labor with limited educational attainment, possibly criminal records, not a whole lot going on for them. With those hindrances there’s really not a lot of places for them to go and quite frankly its always been that way. Those people used to get decent paying jobs in construction, roofing or contracting work, decent paying factory work. But a lot of those jobs are now taken up by immigrants. Just not a lot of options for people with no particular skills. And its always been that way. Its just worse now because of the competition with immigrants for those jobs.

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Dump Obama : “getalife, You and the rest of the liberals are the ones that want permanent war by being so stupid and soft with the enemy.”

You’re talking like a troll.

What’s the ‘enemy’?

How do you define that?

At one point Saddam Hussein was a friend. Then he became an enemy.

At one point the mujahideen were our best buddies (the CIA’s, that is) bec they were great for wreaking havoc for those evil Commie Soviets, who were the enemy then.

Later, when the Soviet enemy disappeared, then the mujahideen stepped into the role of enemy.

You ever heard of the political philosopher Carl Schmitt, Dump?

If not, and if you do in fact read (which I doubt), you might give him a read. He’s got you covered.

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Kamchak: “I think we’re already there, but not in the way you describe. / Serfdom, where we work, but not for $, but for the benevolence crumbs from our Galtian overlords.”

Exactly, that’s what I’m saying. That’s why it’s critical to realize that this is exactly where the battle now lies, whether we realize it or not. That’s where it’s being fought.

We’ll increasingly see people happy to be “paid” not so much in salary but in return for certain intangibles, vanity, etc. (social media, crowdsourcing, access to fun work atmospheres, social connections, rock gigs), and so forth.

This week a story got picked up by MSNBC about teachers in a poor Pennsylvania city working for free after falling to the neoliberal governor’s budget pen.

We’ll see more of this in the future. Squatting but in the form of actual working.

Occupy workplaces perhaps?

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Kamchak

January 21st, 2012
4:06 pm
…possibly criminal records…

There’s your sign. Oy!

kamchak,

Sorry ma’am but that’s just reality. You may not like it but it is what it is. But if it makes ya feel better go on living in denial of one of the things that we both know is an obstacle to many people on the lower end of I-20 moving beyond nonskilled jobs like fast food work.

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Sorry ma’am but that’s just reality.

Well, seeing as how I live inside the perimeter and south of I-20 when I’m in the ATL, I really don’t need you to describe that reality, sport.

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doomy and reality parted ways with the election of President Obama.

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doomy and reality parted ways with the election of President Obama.

Most self professed economists separated from with reality in their first 1980s era Econ 101 class.

Just sayin’.

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Welcome to the Occupation

January 21st, 2012
3:56 pm

I have been reading your post all day and it is apparent that you my friend are a Marxist. Pure and simple. You can call it any other term you choose to but what you are advocating is to completely do away with the capitalistic market, free enterprise system and go to a Marxist system for our markets controlled by a Marxist type of government.

If I was a betting person then I would say you have a liberal arts degree, grew up in a upper middle class to wealthy family and are under 30 years of age.

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oh noesssss!! the dreaded “M” word!!!

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Hiya, Midori!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2KabvvLF7M

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Kamchak – “Socialism” is just a code word for “fear,” the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak

January 21st, 2012
4:48 pm

I am not afraid of any shadow my friend but I old enough and wise enough to know that communism (in any form) is wrong and history has proven it as such. When you grow up a little my young padawan then you too ma realize this one day.

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When you grow up a little my young padawan then you too ma realize this one day.

Too funny!

I came of age during the “Red Scare”, sport.

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td,

You are stuck in the fifties and mccarthy is your hero.

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getalife:

“When will we go back to being Americans and reverse the cowardly corrupt actions of our congress.

They gave the President more power to spy, lock up and kill Americans.”

And ………. why pray tell didn’t he veto it ?

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Kammie:

“WASHINGTON — Pepsi Beverages Co. will pay $3.1 million to settle federal charges of race discrimination for using criminal background checks to screen out job applicants — even if they weren’t convicted of a crime.

The settlement announced Wednesday with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission is part of a national government crackdown on hiring policies that can hurt blacks and Hispanics.”

………………. so keeping a good record means nothing anymore.

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P.S.

I wonder if the EEOC has gone after the U.S. military for the same thing ?

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Kamchak: “I would suggest the term “neo-classical” or “laissez-faire” as opposed to “neoliberal” as it leads to misunderstanding and confusion.”

Well we could go for hours on that one, that’s for sure.

I agree in part, but I also favor a mixed approach that throws these words at people like so many spitballs (in the baseball sense, that is) to de-addle their addled, propaganda-washed minds.

One of the most poisonous and dastardly ploys by the right in this country has been to tar the left as ‘liberal’.

As a general rule, though I realize one must be realistic, I think we should subtly and deviously try to mainstream the word ‘liberal’ in its proper, international sense in this country.

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I agree in part, but I also favor a mixed approach that throws these words at people like so many spitballs (in the baseball sense, that is) to de-addle their addled, propaganda-washed minds.

Plus the added value of being able to weed out the posers who will leap on the “liberal” part of “neoliberal”.

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And as usual, Scout only tells PART of the story…

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/pepsi-beverages-pays-313-million-to-settle-federal-race-discrimination-charges/2012/01/11/gIQAHtgyqP_story.html

EEOC officials said the company’s policy of not hiring workers with arrest records disproportionately excluded more than 300 black applicants. The policy barred applicants who had been arrested, but not convicted of a crime, and denied employment to others who were convicted of minor offenses.

Using arrest and conviction records to deny employment can be illegal if it’s irrelevant for the job, according to the EEOC, which enforces the nation’s employment discrimination laws. The agency says such blanket policies can limit job opportunities for minorities with higher arrest and conviction rates than whites.

“Now you know the rest of the story.”

–Thomas Jefferson

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Kam, just to add to my point about the word ‘liberal’ as used by the Rush Limpos of the world, which is to make the term serve as a big bow around a giant package of sh$t for the rubes, to give them a tattered banner to march under, I would note that the right wins to the extent that it can collapse the entire spectrum of political action into a false choice between whatever their favored ideological meme of the day might be (capitalism, free enterprise, patriotism, American exceptionalism, we’re broke) and ‘liberal’, they win.

To the extent that the left can be collapsed into one single label, ‘liberal’, when can then be thrown like a blanket over a Democratic party in disarray, which includes such turncoats as Evan Bayyyyyh Bayh, and Rammmmmm Emanuel, it’s game over for any real alternative to whatever junk the right happens to be trying to ram down our throats at any given time.

One of the most poisonous and dastardly ploys by the right in this country has been to tar the left as ‘liberal’.

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1 John 1:9

“If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.”

Just sayin’

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td: “Let us just say that theoretically that I agree with your points. What is the answer? How do we solve the problems? Do we have to go to a totally different economic or political system? ”

Well according to some (Bernie Sanders, for ex.), we could start by removing big money from the political system.

But in all honesty I wonder whether such measures aren’t just thrusting at shadows, a last ditch effort to avoid despair, and too little too late at this point. I really don’t know whether something that borderline simplistic would work.

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Brosephus :

The EEOC is out of control and they have been for years.

Pepsi should have taken that to the SCOTUS.

I don’t care what the EEOC says ……….. I wouldn’t want someone with an arrest record (and getting off everytime) working for me.

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Kamchak: “Are you familiar with Geoffrey Nunberg’s book Talking Right: How Conservatives Turned Liberalism Into A Tax-Raising, Latte-Drinking, Sushi-Eating, Volvo-Driving, New York Times-Reading, Body-Piercing, Hollywood-Loving, Left-Wing Freak Show?”

Wow, no, but thanks for bringing him to my attention.

A linguist in the tradition of Lakoff perhaps, another linguist who’s long been jumping up and down trying to get a weak and undisciplined Democratic party to wake up to the decisive power of language.

To no avail, for the most part, as you still have the supposedly ‘left’ side of the debate represented by naive, over-bookish technocrats like Barack Obama who thinks ideas and historical values are self-evident and thus don’t need to be fought for to the death at the level of the WORD.

Who’s a politician who understands that in the beginning was the word?

We just saw him in action the other night with another flash of brilliance, when cornered with the word “grandiose” as an accusation, he rared back like Mighty Casey and sent it sailing over the center field fence for all to marvel at.

Now THAT’s how somebody operates who understands that you stand or fall with your understanding of the visceral power of words!

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Welcome to the Occupation

January 21st, 2012
5:33 pm

“Well according to some (Bernie Sanders, for ex.), we could start by removing big money from the political system”

How is that going to solve any problem because then the people that can hire the most lobbyist to be in a Representatives office the most time will still get their ideas considered first. Now, here are a couple suggestions that I believe may work.

1: Pass a law that say 100% of contributions must come from a Representative’s district or a Senators state. It does not matter how much and if it is from a individual, corporation or interest group. If you do not live in or have an office in the district or sate then you can not contribute.

2: Sunshine: All contributions must be placed on an easy readable website within 24 hours of receiving them or the money is forfeited to general funds of the state. The website must contain the amount, the name of the person donating, the company the person works for and all organizations the person belongs too.

The voter can then go in and decide if their representative is giving to much consideration to someones issues and hold their own representative accountable. The Representative or Senator would also be much more likely to pay closer attention to their own constituents this way and all these businesses and organizations would have to open up offices all over the country (more jobs) in order to have the same type of influence they currently have.

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Kamchak

January 21st, 2012
4:06 pm

…possibly criminal records…

There’s your sign. Oy!
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Translation: Although there is truth in what you pointed out, I MUST dismiss it due to the fact that you are one of the bloggers I HATE

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1. Stupid idea
2. Doesn’t accomplish the goal anyway of stopping Iran
3. Biden might then elect to nuke Israel, doubly dumb
4. Who takes this guy seriously?

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Kam, was there truth in what Doomy posted?

Well, let us get in the wayback machine and revisit the relevant post, shall we?

Thulsa Doom

Yes. You are correct. But a lot of those people count as unskilled job labor with limited educational attainment, possibly criminal records, not a whole lot going on for them.

A lot have criminal records?

Some do — no doubt that is factual throughout the entire metro Atlanta area, but “a lot” inside the perimeter south of I-20?

I don’t know that and I’ve lived here for 50 some odd years.

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Why isn’t the guy who wrote the article provoking the assassination of a US president on US soil by Israeli sleeper cells mediately locked up, tried and hung or treason against the USA? And why are these sleeper cells roaming free in US soil? This is absolutely insane that its not front page news.

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Note that it’s a given Mossad agents are in the US. Is it anti-semetic to wonder why?

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