Solution for Israel: ‘Take out’ Obama?
“Damn” is about all you can say about something like this.
“Damn fool” would be the longer version.
Andrew Adler, owner/publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, wrote a column earlier this month musing about the options available to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. As Adler saw it, Netanyahu has three choices:
One, launch a pre-emptive strike against Hamas and Hezbollah.
Two, launch an attack against Iran’s nuclear facilities.
Three, I’ll let you read for yourself:
Adler now says he didn’t really mean it, and is sorry.
Damn fool.
– Jay Bookman
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JamVet
January 21st, 2012
11:56 am
And when some loud mouthed punk calls for our President’s assassination, stand up for your country cons.
getalife, I am almost certain we will never see that happen.
Yes, I think obama will get re-elected, because when too many stupid people vote, the Democrat wins.
So says the man who voted for George “Worst Ever” Bush twice…
barking frog
January 21st, 2012
11:56 am
JKL2′ 11:38, maybe we should get rid of the military and hire the
Israelis to do the fighting…they seem to win their wars.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
11:56 am
Our President beat Hillary and McCain fair and square.
I would suggest you watch the State of the Union address to see the OWS movement was heard and our President will continue to act without corrupt congress.
The majority will agree and he will win .
Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
11:57 am
“Just when I thought I was out…they pull me back in.”
– The Founding Fathers.
0311/1811
January 21st, 2012
12:02 pm
“Per Jay: Mr. Green, who was the most recent victim of a CIA assassination, in your mind?”
Well, if we really knew they wouldn’t be a very good CIA now would they?
But that said, perhaps it’s hard for nuclear scientists to get life insurance in Iran.
JKL2
January 21st, 2012
12:02 pm
taxpayer- As for my question of how to pay your benefits, I see you failed to reply
I’ll follow Warren Harding and cut the federal budget in half. Yes, plenty of ways to save under the DoD umbrella. (do we really need to change all our uniform patterns again?). What I am saying is reducing our personnel levels at this time is the last thing we need to do.
As for the rest of the population, maybe people could start taking responibility for their own lives rather than relying on the government for their handout.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
12:03 pm
My question to Israel is if we are such great allies, why do they have Mossad agents in our country that could assassinate our President.
king should start hearing on this question and find these spies..
0311/1811
January 21st, 2012
12:04 pm
Today’s storms in S.C. could really change the turnout ………………..
0311/1811
January 21st, 2012
12:05 pm
getalife:
Could and would are two different things.
We have FBI and CIA working out of our Embassy in Israel also.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
12:06 pm
It is a low turnout Scout.
JKL2
January 21st, 2012
12:06 pm
I’ll leave with this last nugget of wisdom:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Have a good weekend.
Midori
January 21st, 2012
12:07 pm
so — were Kayaker and JKL separated at birth?
td
January 21st, 2012
12:08 pm
You libs have such a double standard when it comes to your messiah. If I saw one then I saw a million pictures of Bush in the cross hairs from websites like moveon and the huffington post. I did not see a blog condemning them. Where were you libs then?
Brosephus
January 21st, 2012
12:08 pm
JKL2
So, if somebody states that they think something is deeply flawed, that automatically means they hate it? Dude, I hope you don’t pull a hammy trying to stretch like that.
From your link:
“The original Constitution as well as the Civil War Amendments,” he replied. “But I think it is an imperfect document, and I think it is a document that reflects some deep flaws in American culture, the Colonial culture nascent at that time.
“African-Americans were not — first of all they weren’t African-Americans — the Africans at the time were not considered as part of the polity that was of concern to the Framers. I think that as Richard said it was a ‘nagging problem’ in the same way that these days we might think of environmental issues, or some other problem where you have to balance cost-benefits, as opposed to seeing it as a moral problem involving persons of moral worth.
“And in that sense,” Obama continued, “I think we can say that the Constitution reflected an enormous blind spot in this culture that carries on until this day, and that the Framers had that same blind spot. I don’t think the two views are contradictory, to say that it was a remarkable political document that paved the way for where we are now, and to say that it also reflected the fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day.”
So pointing out the fact that the Framers didn’t give a rat’s ass about Africans as a flaw means that he hates the Constitution?
md
True and valid point. However, striking transit workers in NYC don’t have an effect on Atlanta. Striking air traffic controllers, on the other hand, would cripple the country. Fed union members may not number more than state/local, but their impact is felt countrywide as opposed to locally. If states want the same restrictions as feds, they could legislate it using the fed unions as a model of operation. Walker in Wisconsin could have easily done that and not be faced with possibly losing his job now.
JamVet
January 21st, 2012
12:10 pm
I don’t want to see him assassinated because then we would be stuck with blathering idiot Biden…
There it is, in black and white.
So if the Vice President were somebody meeting his rigorous requirements, Obama’s assassination wouldn’t be all that bad?
And given the violence addicted psychoses that run very deep in the far right wing, I’m only a tad surprised that there hasn’t been a modern day James Earl Ray. Seriously.
Time to go rely on government handouts by using the public roads.
Stay dry and…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQHZ7nvBSLY
JKL2
January 21st, 2012
12:11 pm
getalife- I would suggest you watch the State of the Union address to see the OWS movement was heard and our President will continue to act without corrupt congress
You mean our corrupt president will continue to act without congress.
OWS was heard? All I heard was incoherent jibberish. Try this one: http://www.rangerup.com/occupy.html
Midori
January 21st, 2012
12:12 pm
I’ll leave with this last nugget of wisdom:
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
12:13 pm
So in one fell swoop, looks like the Romney campaign is on the ropes again. What gives.
Afternoon folks, Guess this topic really got Jay exercised to warrant a Friday evening post. For good reason.
td
January 21st, 2012
12:13 pm
JamVet
January 21st, 2012
12:10 pm
“And given the violence addicted psychoses that run very deep in the far right wing”
This is about the biggest bunch of crap I have read on this blog in a long time. Let us compare the the Tea Party rallies with the OWS events. Now tell me where the violence came from?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 21st, 2012
12:14 pm
I’ll leave with this last nugget of wisdom
I’ll agree its a nugget. Wisdom? My goodness, the dogs are leaving wisdom all over the place. Genius I tell ya! Doggie Einsteins!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 21st, 2012
12:16 pm
Now tell me where the violence came from?
Can you say “law enforcement”? Lt. Tony Bolgna and the pepper spray troopers.
Retired Vet
January 21st, 2012
12:18 pm
Say what you will about the president’s position regarding Israel, but have we seen a daily barrage of bombings and other acts of violence between the Palestinians and Israel these past three years, unlike previous years? Relax folks, Hillary’s got this.
Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
12:23 pm
“Release the kraken!”
– Thomas Jefferson
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
12:24 pm
td: “Let us compare the the Tea Party rallies with the OWS events. Now tell me where the violence came from?”
Are you offering that as a serious comparison?
Really?
Brosephus
January 21st, 2012
12:24 pm
“Anyway, like I was sayin’, shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey’s uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There’s pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That… that’s about it.”
–Thomas Jefferson
TaxPayer
January 21st, 2012
12:26 pm
So, JKL2, you would rather have the people you are sworn to protect just up and die so the DoD doesn’t have to cut back deployments anywhere or cut spending on some futuristic weapon, etc. It sounds like a somewhat defeatist approach to me. I’ll get the ball rolling for you, JKL2, regarding how to pay your benefits. We’ll need a little background info on federal tax revenues and outlays first:
For 2010,
Outlays (billions) — DoD: 705
Social Security: 707
Medicare/Medicaid/Chip: 732
SSI/school meals/food stamps,etc.: 496
Interest on Debt: 196
Fed retiree/vet benefits: 245
Science/Med research: 70
Transportation Infrastructure: 105
Education: 105
All Other: 105
Revenues — Individual Income Tax: 899
Corporate Income Tax: 191
Payroll Tax: 865
Excise/Other: 208
Deficit: 1300
Okay, JKL2, make it work. But remember that you must cut taxes for the wealthiest regardless of what you do. That is basic Republican mantra.
td
January 21st, 2012
12:31 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
12:24 pm
Absolutely. There is a huge difference between the peaceful rallies of the right and the anarchist rallies of the left. Not one moment of violence ever recorded at a Tea Party rally and the OWS had to have safe tents for women because rape was so prevalent.
Why should I not make the comparison?
JamVet
January 21st, 2012
12:31 pm
td, a struck dog always howls…
I could, and have in previous blogs, list dozens and dozens of examples of the most cowardly and heinous murderers – Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Michael Griffin, Paul Hill, John C. Salvi III, James Charles Kopp, Bruce Turnidge and his son, Joshua Turnidge, Scott Roeder and arguably the greatest of the Republican scumbags, James Adkisson – and you would still say nope! We’re a bunch of peace-loving patriots!
Not to mention all of the right wing neo-Nazi, post-Klan and skinhead groups you cons wink at and feign no knowledge of. Groups monitored closely by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
And the best that you will ever be able to do is turn right around and try to wage a p*ssing contest and say but look at the violence in the left wing. (Help, I’m being repressed!)
LOL.
That is it – justify, excuse and conflate those elements within your party whose murderous rage is fueled by the hate-filled rhetoric of deadly and incompetent neo-cons.
Not impressed..
OK, I’ve got stuff to do and it’s time to go get wet…
TaxPayer
January 21st, 2012
12:36 pm
JKL2 leaves just in time for the next nugget generator to show up. Hi td. Shift rotation time, eh.
Midori
January 21st, 2012
12:39 pm
Welcome/JamVet,
it is painfully obvious that poster resides in an alternate universe.
Midori
January 21st, 2012
12:42 pm
speaking of nuggets, time for me to clean the litter boxes.
I, too, have to get wet as I’m all out of fresh litter.
ragnar danneskjold
January 21st, 2012
12:45 pm
What a strange whiny essay! Of course assassinating a significant source of misery is always an alternative – surely our leftist friends remember the late Anwar al Awlaki. To recognize a course of action is not the same as advocating it. Sounds like the leftists can dish it out, but lack the courage to take it.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
January 21st, 2012
12:45 pm
Not one moment of violence ever recorded at a Tea Party rally and the OWS had to have safe tents for women because rape was so prevalent.
Oh vey…. someone seems to forget spitting by Tea Partiers… and to ignore the evidence that some police directed homeless and other street people with violent tendencies and illnesses to the overnight occupation. But you have proof that these acts were committed by ACTUAL protestors and not merely someone who happened to be there?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
12:47 pm
td: “Not one moment of violence ever recorded at a Tea Party rally and the OWS had to have safe tents for women because rape was so prevalent.”
There’s certainly no excusing rapes at camps, but there is no comparison between OWS and TP as they were attempting to do very different things. As far as I know there were no TP encampments or overnight events, which is because the statement that was being made was entirely different. But the problem is in your conception of violence.
On balance, the TP is violent on a whole different level as it gave us a further strangulation of our political process, a further determination to slash our social compact and safety net, and all in the name of a collection of middle-aged white people frightened because their way of life is changing.
td
January 21st, 2012
12:54 pm
JamVet
January 21st, 2012
12:31 pm
If you want to have a pi$$ing contest then why not include the leaders of your movement. Lenin, Stalin and Moa?
We all know people like you are nothing more then communist (you can call yourself progressive/liberal/social democrat/enlightened…). You hate capitalism and everything capitalism stands for. You hate the fact that some people are smarter then you are, work harder then you do and succeed in life. You want the benevolent government to control the masses and make all of them equal in not only opportunity but also in outcome. You despise Religion (especially Christianity) because it sets clear standards as to how you should live your life and you feel guilty for not living that way.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
12:56 pm
rag,
Way to stand up for your country.
Pathetic.
Why don’t you move to Israel?
getalife
January 21st, 2012
1:01 pm
sanitarium wins Iowa.
The newt wins SC.
willard is losing.
Brosephus
January 21st, 2012
1:02 pm
“I will tell you, it is three agencies of government when I get there that are gone. Commerce, Education, and the — what’s the third one there? Let’s see.”
–Thomas Jefferson
getalife
January 21st, 2012
1:03 pm
Looks like gop civil war all the way to the convention.
Rip each other to pieces gop.
td
January 21st, 2012
1:03 pm
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
12:47 pm
“a further determination to slash our social compact and safety net, and all in the name of a collection of middle-aged white people frightened because their way of life is changing.”
And what social compact are you talking about? The one that rewards people for not making responsible decisions in their live? The one that tells a person that I do not have to get a education, I do not have to work hard and I do not have to take the responsibility for raising a child I choice to bring into this world because I know that no one is going to hold me accountable of my actions. Is that the social compact you are talking about? If so then yes I support ending it immediately for the sake of future generations.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 21st, 2012
1:23 pm
‘Beware of people not earning a paycheck’
- Thomas Jefferson
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
1:36 pm
td: “And what social compact are you talking about? The one that rewards people for not making responsible decisions in their live? ”
That question cannot legitimately be posed in a broken, kleptocratic system such as our own where CEOs collect gigantic bonuses for driving companies into the ditch and gutting them, where a speculative finance industry creates mountains of toxic debts and then pockets massive tax-payer funded bailouts without even a tiny blip in their career ascent. In a broken down, rotten klepto-system, the Adam Smithian question of simple virtue and responsibility is negated and eliminated. It no longer applies.
“The one that tells a person that I do not have to get a education,”
See above. When education funding is increasingly privatized instead of free as it should be as a public good, your question becomes an absurdity. As in many other areas, the Tea Party has accelerated a trend towards gutting the social compact (i.e. public funding) that allowed middle- and lower-earning families could still send their children to college.
Before the neoliberal regime took hold of our governing process in the New York City fiscal crisis of the mid-70s, it was understood that public higher education should be accessible for close to free. But the neoliberals attacked that as one of their first symbolic gestures, gutting free access to CUNY. The result, several decades later: mushrooming debt loads for students.
” I know that no one is going to hold me accountable of my actions. ”
Again, see above. When the high-finance, banking and corporate CEO class becomes a protection racket that loots public budgets and increasingly dumps all the risk on the public while funneling profits to the top, then “accountability for my actions” becomes a sick joke, a quaint notion with no relevance for our current predicament. As Adam Smith knew, it takes enormous struggle to extricate your economic system from the tentacles of big money so that it can be accessible for the exercise of common virtue like thrift, hard-work, and wage earning. We’ve reached the point now where — and this is the significance of Romney’s Bain Capital woes — the very assertion that $1 earned through labor should not be taxed higher than $1 reaped through capital profits is daring and radical. And by the way did you notice how fast Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry ceased their attacks against Romney for that?
The people who rule the media narrative in this country got that stopped in a New York second buddy.
David Green
January 21st, 2012
1:38 pm
Jay wrote: So Mr. Green, you’re referencing events of 40, 50 or more years ago.
__________________
The consequences of which we as a nation have been dealing with ever since and to which a line can be drawn to the bombing of the Twin Towers in 2001. Indeed had we left Iran alone and not put the Shah in power and then funded his ability to brutalize his own people the Iranian students would have had no reason what so ever to attack the US embassy. Which led to the hostage crisis during Pres. Carter’s administration and to our current problems in the region as the US continues to try and bully the Iranian govt. in our time.
Had we left Iraq alone Saddam may have not come to power which caused the events that led up to the war in Iraq that has only recently ended.
The CIA still exists along with its covert operations aimed at foreign nations. Until Americans force their leaders to publicly renounce the tactic of assassinating foreign heads of state and interfering in other countries American citizens have no moral high ground on which to complain when others seek to remove our leaders and/or interfere with our affairs.
Turn about, after all, is fair play.
Finely as an Newspaper editor Jay you especially should be aware that the past always affects both the present and future as the majority of the population begins to forget the past. It is after all part of your job description to both educate and remind the public and our leaders of past events along with their resulting consequences both intended and unintended so as to help us not repeat them.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 21st, 2012
1:41 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMTNT_BzkdA
- The Nutster
JamVet
January 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
Poor td, he’s got absolutely nothing intelligent to say on the matter, and is utterly incapable of countermanding any of those facts I listed, so he does what he always does, and he does it really well – goes all juvenile delinquent and makes it personal.
SSDD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWPrIJpHenE
Old Timer
January 21st, 2012
1:55 pm
Anybody else notice the body language of Santorum during the last debate? He was leaning so far away from Romney on his left that I honestly feared the guy was going to fall over. Either Romney badly needed a bath or else Santorum dislikes him for other reasons.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
1:56 pm
Good points, David Green:
eed had we left Iran alone and not put the Shah in power and then funded his ability to brutalize his own people the Iranian students would have had no reason what so ever to attack the US embassy.
Didn’t you get the memo, David? Since around 2001 when the Bush/Cheney regime set the pattern for what the US response would be to global violence visited (revisited?) on us, that question has been strictly forbidden. It’s the road that must not be gone down, the question that must not be asked at all costs. So no one dare ask it. After that colossal historical trauma of 9/11, this country had a chance to at least begin a process of soul-searching which would have consisted in an effort as a nation to consider whether we just might have had some responsibility, through our cynicism and ruthless preservation of self interest in foreign policy, often covert, even if it meant trampling on the ideals we were professing as a nation our of the other side of our mouths, for creating perhaps some of the violence that we were now suffering. But faced with that opportunity, the Bush/Cheney people, helped along by the so-called ‘liberal’ media, slammed that door shut with great force and placed a ‘do not open’ sign on it, under heavily armed guard.
kayaker 71
January 21st, 2012
2:04 pm
Welcome,
“The so-called liberal media”….HAhahahahahahahahah
Disgusted
January 21st, 2012
2:05 pm
“Cut, cap, and . . . uh, what was that third thing?”—Rick Perry
getalife
January 21st, 2012
2:06 pm
Old Timer.
sanitarium and the newt should not be anywhere close to the launch button.
Both have anger management issues.
Bruno
January 21st, 2012
2:06 pm
Jam–You working up a good head of steam for the concert tonight?? I’m really looking forward to seeing Deep Blue Sun again—I’m sure they’ll throw down some serious jams. Their lead guitarist, Matt Lynn, is outstanding, one of the best I’ve ever heard.
PB and I are going to head out around 5, we’ll call you on the way.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
2:07 pm
kay.
They are corporate media seeking profits.
Brosephus
January 21st, 2012
2:08 pm
NoCom @ 1:23
getalife
January 21st, 2012
2:10 pm
Ya’ll have fun at the concert.
As Good as it might get
January 21st, 2012
2:11 pm
The indoctrination is working.
Let’s ignore the incredibly high gas prices, even though there is plenty of reserves.
Let’s ignore the new presidential decrees that say that the Government can monitor reporters and monitor anyone that the government might think as being an adversary of the government.
Let’s concentrate on the personalities of the party that has no power, but wants to put a stop to the insane movements of the current government.
Let’s make religion the enemy. Let’s make corporations the enemy.
Anything but the government and what they say is evil and must be silenced.
Let’s listen to only the media outlets that protect this administration and demonize any who dare speak out against what this government wants or claims.
Let’s accept unemployment numbers that only include people who have recently lost their jobs when we all know that people have been losing their jobs for over five years and many have simply stopped looking.
Let’s accept inflation numbers that do not include food prices which continue to rise at levels that we have never seen.
Let’s just shrug and pay the $5.60/gallon for skim milk bought, not at whole foods, not at the high dollar designer grocery stores but at Walmart.
Let’s accept the fact that in the past three months, the costs of vegetables have increased an average of 48%, and in the past year, almost 200%.
Let’s make jokes about the fact that more people are now on food stamps than ever before in the history of the country. And of course more Americans living in poverty than ever before.
Let’s continue to ignore the incredible profits being made by the Health Insurance Companies while private businesses have to resort to offering no more than catastrophic insurance for their employers where before ObamaCare, they had great insurance with dental and eye care.
Let’s demonize the opposing party candidate that dares to speak out for people demanding, not food stamps but jobs.
Let’s ignore the fact that the current president brags about raising a billion dollars to be used to destroy the credibility of anyone who runs against him and in the same speech talks about how evil Republicans are for their associations with rich people.
Let’s demonize the Tea Party, while the top eight domestic terrorists, listed on the FBI’s top eight list are all progressives or liberals and most from far left, radical groups and one being a member of Black Liberation Theology, the exact same teachings that Obama’s Chicago church educated its members in.
Unfortunately, I have very little doubt that Obama will win in the fall and everything I have written in this post will continue to get worse and worse.
I hate to say this, but Americans, look around. This may be as good as it will ever get.
JamVet
January 21st, 2012
2:13 pm
Rock on, B.
And thanks, getalife.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvfbnezyYHk
getalife
January 21st, 2012
2:14 pm
The Clinton peace and prosperity was as good as it gets.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
2:19 pm
JamVet,
Nice jam session.
carlosgvv
January 21st, 2012
2:20 pm
td
Republican politicians have been using brainwashing and propaganda methods, given to them by their corporate sponsors in the advertising industry, to paint Socialism as little more than the work of Satan. Their corporate masters see Socialism as threatening the one and only thing they truly care about, their huge personal estates. These sociopaths have instructed their Republican lackeys to paint Sociaism in the most vile and disgusting manner possible. You are one of the best success stories they have ever had. You believe everything they say, no matter how unbelievable it is.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 21st, 2012
2:20 pm
‘Beware of geeks bearing Christmas Ale’
- me
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 21st, 2012
2:22 pm
Welcome
Is there any more snow heading my way (Cleveland)?
Only had 4-6 and everyone is still skeered (I wonder how they ever won the war of Northern Agression)
Jay
January 21st, 2012
2:23 pm
I would agree with most of the cause-and-effect argument that you laid out there, Mr. Green. But I thought I read an implication — perhaps mistaken — that you believed CIA assassination of foreign leaders was a modern rather than historical practice.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 21st, 2012
2:24 pm
getalife@2:14 pm
The Clinton peace and prosperity was as good as it gets.
—————————————-
I hope you’re wrong, but fear you’re right.
Stevie Ray
January 21st, 2012
2:34 pm
JAY,
Did you see the NYT’s business section today? While NYT is too easy a target, I found something incredulous that perhaps I’m misreading. The caption is Obama Vow on Exports Is On Track….this is all good and well however the graph they present seems to suggest something completely difference…the growth between 2000 and 2008 is staggering.
NEWT is a scumbag…while all the SC nutjobs at debate loved his shoutdown of CNN dude at opening, most of us know the shoutdown is not a valid debate tactic. Too bad none of those in the audience can see thru that…
AS GOOD AS….I’m not sure about the others but posts that long wear me out after a paragraph or two…
David Green
January 21st, 2012
2:41 pm
Sadly Jay the concept of removing a head of state by assassination remains a tool within our leaders statecraft and foreign policy which they will not hesitate to use if they think that they can get away with it.
Whether it is used or not and our enemies know this.
While I personally would nor call for nor condone the assassination of a sitting president neither will I weep for him/her either; especially if they turn out to be any where near as amoral as the last several presidents our nation has regretfully endured before Obama was elected.
Jay
January 21st, 2012
2:45 pm
Stevie Ray, as I read the chart, it almost doubled from 2000-2008, then fell off sharply in 2009.
But I suspect you’re making too much of it. If you look at the chart, exports roughly tripled from ‘70 to ‘80, more than doubled from ‘80 to ‘90, doubled again from ‘90 to 2000, and then less than doubled before hitting the wall in ‘09.
So it was nothing remarkable.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
2:49 pm
Of course someone who posts a torrent of fear and paranoia like Good as it might get at 2:11 is not susceptible to reasoned argumentation, but I’ll take up just one of the points:
Let’s demonize the opposing party candidate that dares to speak out for people demanding, not food stamps but jobs.
Demonize?
Like the way the Republican establishment rushed their idea goons out to summarily crush the seriousness of the Ron Paul candidacy the moment it began to look like he might be gaining even the slightest inkling of momentum? That demonization?
Or the way the ruling establishment no doubt told Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich in no uncertain terms that they would reap the consequences — one dare not speculate what — if they did not cease and desist immediately from drawing attention to Mitt Romney’s actions at Bain Capital and its poster boy status of the klepto-capitalism that has thrived in this system since the 1980s?
That kind of demonization?
Besides, who among this opposition is “speaking out for people demanding, not food stamps but jobs”?
What has a single one of these people done to create a single job?
Mitt Romney?
Are you joking?
A man who as we speak is sheltering along with his wife dozens of millions of dollars in tax havens in the Cayman Islands?
With tax rates for the wealthy at historically low levels, that money sitting off shore is obviously working wonders to create jobs for Americans.
Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
2:51 pm
We all know people like you are…
Who was it exactly, that gave you the authority to speak for “all”?
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
3:01 pm
Myself: What has a single one of these people done to create a single job?
Ok, I realize Rick Perry has some claim to that in Texas.
But the lower-income nature of the majority of these new Texas jobs, combined with the direction his state has moved in terms of social safety net programs, means to me that his record is in no way something to brag about when it comes to creating opportunity and security for working people (i.e., people needing jobs).
Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
3:04 pm
What has a single one of these people done to create a single job?
Scr*w the jobs. That all we’ve had for a couple of decades or more.
What we need are careers.
Stevie Ray
January 21st, 2012
3:05 pm
JAY,
Agreed but the depths the NYT will sink to beyond the editorial page is insane. I can think of many more accurate headlines other than a praising of Obama on this particular topic. NYT is more jaded left than Fox is jade right.
Common Sense isn't very Common
January 21st, 2012
3:15 pm
Kam – I agree with that. Where the hell are the entry level jobs for the kids coming out of HS?
Where the hell are the jobs for the kids coming from College?
Where the hell are the careers that the rest of us have worked for all these years?
It’s not just a job it’s a F’n life.
Thulsa Doom
January 21st, 2012
3:18 pm
Pretty despicable for this man to be advocating assassination of a sitting U.S. president as an option.
But lets not forget our own hypocrisy considering how many foreign presidents we have either assassintated, targeted for assassination, or flat out sponsored coups that overthrew their govts. We’ve done lots of that in our own hemisphere alone- Guatemala in 1954, Salvador Allende in 1973. And in many instances we’ve then had those govts replaced with and supported despotic dictators like Somoza, Batista, Pinochet, and on and on.
So while what this man said was effed up lets put away the faux outrage considering our own sordid history of taking out leaders of other countries whether by assassination or coup.
Thulsa Doom
January 21st, 2012
3:24 pm
“Where the hell are the entry level jobs for the kids coming out of HS?”
Common sense,
A lot of those jobs and a lot of blue collar jobs have been taken up by illegal aliens and American contractors that employ them. That and I think a lot of kids coming out of high school or college don’t quite expect to start at the bottom and work there way up, particularly the college educated ones that think they are going to start in middle management somewhere. But from what I’ve seen so far if you have a college degree in something like the hard sciences like chemistry, mathematics, information technology, etc. then you do have a job waiting for you. The kids that graduated with sociology or political science majors not so much.
Brosephus
January 21st, 2012
3:25 pm
“Book’em Dano.”
–Thomas Thomas
Jay
January 21st, 2012
3:34 pm
An American promoting the assassination of the President of the United States to benefit a foreign power!! How is it that this man is not in jail yet?!!!
It is one thing to talk hyperbole, it is another to ask for donations for a hit job on the President!!!
td
January 21st, 2012
3:36 pm
JamVet
January 21st, 2012
1:52 pm
Was my post personal? Are you a progressive/socialist/communist? If so then it was about you and many others that think like you do because you are a danger to our nation and our way of life.
Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
3:38 pm
Where the hell are the entry level jobs for the kids coming out of HS?
Used to be fast food was the place to find teens and early 20 somethings. Now, adults are working there and have been taught they should be grateful just to have that.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
3:40 pm
Socialist — SQUIRREL!
0311/1811
January 21st, 2012
3:44 pm
Kammie:
“Where the hell are the entry level jobs for the kids coming out of HS?”
Army
Navy
Air Force
Marines
Coast Guard
Thulsa Doom
January 21st, 2012
3:44 pm
Kamchak,
I don’t see many adults in their 30s or 40s working at fast food places except in management. I do see a ton of immigrants in those restaurants. And of course nonskilled labor is always going to gravitate towards fast food work.
Thulsa Doom
January 21st, 2012
3:47 pm
0311,
I got my entry level washing dishes at a local restaurant when I was 15. But my first full time entry level introduction was in the military. Best thing a young man can do.
Dump Obama
January 21st, 2012
3:50 pm
America, Israel, and the entire world would be better off if Obama would step down and go home to Chicago.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
3:51 pm
Not with this corrupt congress wanting permanent war.
Dump Obama
January 21st, 2012
3:52 pm
Obama hates Israel because Obama is a traitor for the Muslim Brotherhood , PLO, Hamas, and Hezbullah.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
3:54 pm
dump,
Take a dump on Kyle’s blog.
Traitors are not welcome here.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
3:54 pm
I don’t see many adults in their 30s or 40s working at fast food places except in management.
You would if you came inside the perimeter, especially south of I-20.
Dump Obama
January 21st, 2012
3:54 pm
getalife, You and the rest of the liberals are the ones that want permanent war by being so stupid and soft with the enemy.
Dump Obama
January 21st, 2012
3:55 pm
getalife, Get back jack Obama and youliberals are the enemy of America.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
3:55 pm
Get lost dump.
Kamchak - "Socialism" is just a code word for "fear," the monster under you bed ~ Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
3:55 pm
Sock-puppets.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
3:56 pm
Kam, common: “Kam – I agree with that. Where the hell are the entry level jobs for the kids coming out of HS? Where the hell are the careers that the rest of us have worked for all these years?
It’s not just a job it’s a F’n life.”
And do you want to hear something to really blow your doors off?
At a time where productivity has soared to unprecedented levels, and with well over the wealth needed worldwide to provide nourishment to the world’s people, and with capitalism perhaps becoming permanently unhinged from the labor-wage coupling as owner wages soar into the stratosphere based on pure rent and privatization of the commons (read: confiscation) for rent extraction (a la Bill Gates), we are perhaps arriving at a time to contemplate the most radical idea of all:
severing the relationship between work and money altogether.
In other words, let’s stop talking about distributing jobs and instead give people what they really need.
Which is not jobs so much as it is CASH.
Let’s start talking about redistributing CASH pure and simple — aside from any talk of labor.
Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
4:01 pm
severing the relationship between work and money altogether.
I think we’re already there, but not in the way you describe.
Serfdom, where we work, but not for $, but for the
benevolencecrumbs from our Galtian overlords.0311/1811
January 21st, 2012
4:01 pm
Thulsa @ 3:47
Exactly.
Thulsa Doom
January 21st, 2012
4:01 pm
kamchak,
Yes. You are correct. But a lot of those people count as unskilled job labor with limited educational attainment, possibly criminal records, not a whole lot going on for them. With those hindrances there’s really not a lot of places for them to go and quite frankly its always been that way. Those people used to get decent paying jobs in construction, roofing or contracting work, decent paying factory work. But a lot of those jobs are now taken up by immigrants. Just not a lot of options for people with no particular skills. And its always been that way. Its just worse now because of the competition with immigrants for those jobs.
getalife
January 21st, 2012
4:02 pm
How many aq are left?
When will we go back to being Americans and reverse the cowardly corrupt actions of our congress.
They gave the President more power to spy, lock up and kill Americans.
It is freaking ridiculous.
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
4:05 pm
Dump Obama : “getalife, You and the rest of the liberals are the ones that want permanent war by being so stupid and soft with the enemy.”
You’re talking like a troll.
What’s the ‘enemy’?
How do you define that?
At one point Saddam Hussein was a friend. Then he became an enemy.
At one point the mujahideen were our best buddies (the CIA’s, that is) bec they were great for wreaking havoc for those evil Commie Soviets, who were the enemy then.
Later, when the Soviet enemy disappeared, then the mujahideen stepped into the role of enemy.
You ever heard of the political philosopher Carl Schmitt, Dump?
If not, and if you do in fact read (which I doubt), you might give him a read. He’s got you covered.
Kamchak
January 21st, 2012
4:06 pm
…possibly criminal records…
There’s your sign. Oy!
Welcome to the Occupation
January 21st, 2012
4:11 pm
Kamchak: “I think we’re already there, but not in the way you describe. / Serfdom, where we work, but not for $, but for the benevolence crumbs from our Galtian overlords.”
Exactly, that’s what I’m saying. That’s why it’s critical to realize that this is exactly where the battle now lies, whether we realize it or not. That’s where it’s being fought.
We’ll increasingly see people happy to be “paid” not so much in salary but in return for certain intangibles, vanity, etc. (social media, crowdsourcing, access to fun work atmospheres, social connections, rock gigs), and so forth.
This week a story got picked up by MSNBC about teachers in a poor Pennsylvania city working for free after falling to the neoliberal governor’s budget pen.
We’ll see more of this in the future. Squatting but in the form of actual working.
Occupy workplaces perhaps?
Brosephus
January 21st, 2012
4:18 pm
Welcome @ 4:05
You haven’t figured out the first two rules of Bloggin’ at Bookman’s??
Rule #1…
Followed by
Rule #2…