On state DNR board, no future for a ‘green conservative’

Warren Budd, the vice chairman of the state Board of Natural Resources, calls himself a “green conservative” and claims there are a lot of people like him.

A lifelong active Republican, the insurance agent from Newnan is also an avid outdoorsman. “I care about conservation, and I care about this state,” he said in an interview last week. “I represent the average guy who likes to fish and hunt. This is a beautiful state, and I like to think that there will be something of it left for our grandchildren to enjoy.”

However, even though he was in line to become chair of the 18-member DNR board next year, Budd has been informed that he will not be reappointed when his seven-year term ends on Jan. 1. According to Budd, a “green conservative” point of view is no longer welcome by Gov. Nathan Deal, who wants no dissent from a pro-development agenda that favors special interests.

“”They are very into message-control,” Budd said. “They don’t want board members to act like a board.”

Budd acknowledges that as a DNR board member, he pushed the state Environmental Protection Division to move more aggressively in dealing with a major fishkill on the Ogeechee River in May. Tens of thousands of fish were killed along an 80-mile stretch of river, and an investigation traced the cause back to King America Finishing, a textile plant that had been dumping flame-retardant chemicals into the river for as long as five years, undetected and without a permit.

In the end, the company agreed to spend $1 million on environmental projects in the Ogeechee watershed, a small price to pay considering the nature of its violation and the fact it could have been fined more than $90 million. The settlement was strongly criticized by environmentalists, outdoorsmen and civic leaders in the Ogeechee watershed as too lenient.

“We talk about protecting business, but I talked to one bait-shop owner whose business was down 70 percent because of that fishkill,” Budd said. “He’s a businessman too, and he wasn’t alone. A lot of people who make their living off that river were hurt.”

According to Budd, the DNR board has been told it can no longer elect its own officers, and instead those officers will be named by the governor. Deal’s top spokesman, Brian Robinson, says that the board remains free to elect its own officers, but that “several board members have asked the governor for his opinion.” According to Robinson, the governor wants to appoint board members “who are excited team players ready to carry out his agenda for our state.”

“Some are reappointments, some fill openings and some are replacements,” Robinson said. “It’s part of the process. It allows new blood, new ideas and new people a chance to serve the state on a volunteer basis. If anyone on any board considers himself indispensable, this is what educators call a ‘teachable moment.’ It takes an eyebrow-raising amount of self-regard for someone to suggest publicly that, out of 10 million Georgians, only he or she brings a diverse viewpoint to a board.”

While Budd is complimentary to his fellow DNR board members, the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.

For example, Aaron McWhorter, appointed to the board by Deal in May, sells “mitigation credits” that allow wetlands to be destroyed for construction projects, housing developments and, just by happenstance, major reservoir projects. Budd, on the other hand, has expressed doubts about the governor’s plan to build major new reservoirs in north Georgia, noting that such projects destroy miles of streams and rivers. And he believes that the decision not to reappoint him means that such sentiments will no longer be tolerated.

“Governor [Zell] Miller, [Roy] Barnes and [Sonny] Perdue all had diverse boards,” Budd said. “Moving toward a monolithic board is not healthy in a state of 10 million people with all of these competing interests.”

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USinUK

December 28th, 2011
6:40 am

welp, I’d love to say I’m surprised by how anti-environmental the Deal administration is, but I’m really not.

I was shocked, however, at how lenient the punishment was for the paint company that dumped toxic waste into the river – $1M??? talk about chump change. but, of course, that still won’t dissuade the “corporations can police themselves” brigade …

Normal

December 28th, 2011
6:50 am

A grand morning to you USinUK!

From below…had a wonderful family time…the last will be leaving tomorrow. Ladders? Don’ need no stinkin’ ladders…I got Grand Kids…up until this year, a wasted resource. :D

As to the grenade thing…it was a dud…as quickily as Jay changed the topic, one would think he’s against freedom to worship what you want when you want. :)

anyway…oops!

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2011/12/28/pagan-students-and-public-schools/

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
6:55 am

Normal – :lol: – never underestimate the power of family labor!! :-) it’s cheap and can usually be had for baked goods …

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
6:57 am

Normal – this was our house on Boxing Day …

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/12/27/funny-pictures-welcome-to-the-boneless/

(not so much cats, but 1 dog + 2 very tired hoooomans)

DeborahinAthens

December 28th, 2011
7:02 am

I said it before and will say it again, Deal is a crook and a liar. It will be interesting (terrifying) to see what this bad businessman, snatched from the jaws of bankruptcy, will do to repay his donors. How much money did King America Finishing give to Republicans in general and Deal in particular? Since the previous crook in charge already built a Fish Museum in the middle of nowhere, one wonders what wonders Deal will pull out of his b#**. Like our good friend Saxby Chambliss, as long as you keep giving back to your corporate owners, you most likely will get re-elected, no matter what your morals might be. The bad thing about living in a democratic republic is that you get exactly the representation you deserve. We don’t need no stinking clean air and water!

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:05 am

USinUK,
Your 0655…Absolutely! We had a combined baking day and decorating day, all ending in laughter and a good meal.

Boxing Day, is that before or after Christmas Day?

…and as to your “boneless” pic, wait until tomorrow, then that will be the wife and me too!

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:06 am

DeborahinAthens

December 28th, 2011
7:02 am

You are correct, but a majority of Georgians DID elect him…go figure.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:10 am

Normal – Boxing Day is the day after Christmas – (traditionally, the day that people gave their servants off) …

and, speaking of servants … the Downton Abbey Christmas special was FAB!!! (I understnad that Season 2 of DA will begin airing in a couple of weeks – I hope they end your series with this episode)

Bill Orvis White

December 28th, 2011
7:13 am

I have found some of the best deer hunting in North Georgia where my aunt lives – so I believe that I protect nature BY KEEPING THE DEER NUMBERS DOWN. Let WE THE PEOPLE, small businesses and corporations live free in the environment. I don’t need a state or federal government to tell me how I should act in the great outdoors. So, this Budd fella doesn’t feel welcome in Mr. Deal’s administration. Big deal-this guy sounds like a good Southerner and conservative, but he is yesterday’s news. The honorable Gov. Deal needs to appoint someone who is looking into the future with a pro-business/pro-growth agenda who can stare down the enviro-whackos and say “NO!” to them. The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago – so why do we need more regulators throwing out draconian fines on perfectly good businesses? We need common sense regulation reform where big gov’t isn’t choking off business and job$. It sounds like the Robinson fella who speaks for the Georgia governor is a man of integrity, fine character and a person who is standing up for an honest governor and the regular people in the state.
Amen,
Bill

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:14 am

Emphasis mine…

According to Budd, a “green conservative” point of view is no longer welcome by Gov. Nathan Deal, who wants no dissent from a pro-development agenda that favors special interests.

[...]

the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.

For example, Aaron McWhorter, appointed to the board by Deal in May, sells “mitigation credits” that allow wetlands to be destroyed for construction projects, housing developments and, just by happenstance, major reservoir projects.

Anyone here still want to defend this criminal skank you elected governor?

Hey, at least he wasn’t one a’ them godless librul baybee-killin’ DEMONCRAPZ, right?

But tell the truth–Did you have any other earthly reason whatsoever to vote for Deal? Any at all?

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
7:15 am

” the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded. ”

So as far as for what’s left of Georgia’s beautiful environment

DNR stands for

DO NOT RESUSCITATE.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:15 am

Anyone besides the cartoon conservative Orvis, that is?

Anyone?

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:16 am

USinUK,
I DO believe that Josef is right about Bill Orvis. Grand satire at it’s best. He is the master…

Good one today Bill!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:21 am

“The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago”

pay no attention to that pesky Ogeechee fish kill …

or this one http://www.gpb.org/news/2011/10/18/new-fish-kill-in-east-georgia

or this one http://www.gofishn.com/ned/reports/14904-fish-dying-mysteriously-are-puzzling-georgia-officials

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:22 am

Normal – 7:16 – he’s no redneck.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
7:23 am

What a Real Deal! Free fish that you don’t even need a fishing pole to catch.

Scott

December 28th, 2011
7:25 am

“Who are excited team players ready to carry out his agenda for our state”…great…more people who can’t think for themselves, and would rather just lock-step follow our governor’s orders. I’m just getting more and more proud of the political process. Argh.

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:26 am

USinUK,
Have you seen Matilda, The Musical yet?

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:29 am

Normal – 7:26 – screw Matilda – I’m trying to get a few folks together to see War Horse in the theater before we see it in the movies.

http://warhorselondon.nationaltheatre.org.uk/

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
7:38 am

“The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago”

Because of the toxic scum in the GOP???

NO, sir. Quite the opposite.

It is almost solely because of the Sierra Club and the Georgia Conservancy in conjunction with the Environmental Protection Agency, the US Fish & Wildlife Service and the United States National Park Service, among others.

Liberal organizations that actually care about stewardship, education regarding and protecting our natural resources FROM Republican scum.

And these neo-con frauds and enemies of the environment have the balls to call themselves conservative??

They conserve nothing. They preserve nothing. They’ve never met an ecosystem they wouldn’t gladly destroy with toxins and poisons; and they treat our land, air and water like nothing more than a giant dumping ground.

The only green thing they care about is made of paper and has pictures of dead men on it.

And only in Republispeak is the word environmentalism considered a slur.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:46 am

“They conserve nothing. They preserve nothing. ”

yes, these “godly people” think that it was all put here for them to use/abuse as they wish, with no thought to leaving it to their children’s children’s children …

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:46 am

WOW! “War Horse” on stage. That would be worth seeing for a number of reasons… :)

Denny

December 28th, 2011
7:47 am

Just who do you think enforced the Democrat passed rules to clean up our air and water?

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
7:49 am

“Just who do you think enforced the Democrat passed rules to clean up our air and water?”

No, but if you can tell us who didn’t in the case of the fish kill we’d be all ears.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:49 am

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:51 am

And only in Republispeak is the word environmentalism considered a slur.

True dat.

Really, until that party gets its head out of its butt and recognizes that our environment is OUR here-and-now PERSONULL ‘SPONSIBILITY, there will be no reason to take any of its members seriously, on any level.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
7:51 am

Is Denny REALLY going to attempt to defend the Republicans for their stewardship of the environment! Don’t even.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:54 am

“Just who do you think enforced the Democrat passed rules to clean up our air and water?”

someone obviously didn’t read the column in question …

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:55 am

yes, these “godly people” think that it was all put here for them to use/abuse as they wish

“God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’”

—Annthrax, Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
7:58 am

Jay nice story. Its not limited to the DNR. There are a few other “boards” that do not “regulate” but rather are there for the big interests. To hell with the small businesses.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
7:58 am

Over-regulation is what killed those fish. If they had not been required to swim there…

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
7:59 am

USinUK, some of them pay empty lip service to the next generation.

These are very little men of no long term vision. And this topic, as much as any other, demonstrates it.

It would not surprise me at all if one day some Republican lackey proposes building a manufacturing facility right smack in the middle of Yellowstone. Or Yosemite. Or…

No place is special to them and no place is worthy of protecting.

It makes me wonder if these belching smokestacks of human beings can even consider what kind of planet will be left to those seven generations from now. Hell, they can’t see past next quarter’s P&L statement.

As for keeping Georgia’s awesome rivers clean and unspoiled? Puhleeze. These pro-pollution Republicans could give a flying ____…

Lord Help Us

December 28th, 2011
8:02 am

Take away the oversight and regulation and I am sure that King America Finishing would have policed themselves MUCH better. Also, I am sure the free enterprise system punished them for their transgression, thus the self policing nature of free economics shines yet again.

Yes, we definitely need less regulation.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:05 am

Ok, it’s off topic and soap opera-y, but seriously–am I the only one who heard about Anonymous’ smackdown of StratFor and chortled loudly when recalling our “@@’s” unconditional love for that particular organization?

GT

December 28th, 2011
8:05 am

We are one of the poorest states in the union. Warren Budd finds himself in a place many educated ex Republicans from Georgia find themselves, a man without a party. This crowd very much like the Dixiecrats behind them think poverty and ignorance is a badge of honor. Lets make Georgia the dumping ground of this nation, lets move into this trash dump, wrap a blanket around ourselves and feel like we are the king of all we see. The only force that has ever moved these mentally handicapped people was the Baptist Church, which they have narrowed into a filter of what the masses can learn and do. The only traits of Jesus they seem to exhibit are the ones that relate to poverty. Just being poor won’t get you into heaven, and ignorance is no protection from His law.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:06 am

Jay, you might also note that Mr. McWhorter is also member of the Residential and General Contractors Board….. the one that licenses general and residential contractors.

Chronos

December 28th, 2011
8:06 am

Jay, you and the AJC have little future either.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:06 am

Ok, it’s off topic and soap opera-y, but seriously–am I the only one who heard about Anonymous’ yuletide smackdown of StratFor and chortled loudly when recalling our “at-at’s” unconditional love for that particular organization?

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:07 am

Jay, you and the AJC have little future either.

Chronos, welcome to the blog.

So which domestic terror organization do you happen to belong to? The Chamber of Commerce, perchance?

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:10 am

Most animals have enough sense to not take a dump in their own drinking water. Then again, just think of the opportunities. All the water testing to make sure it’s safe for human consumption and all the filters to make it sort of safe for human consumption, depending on what’s in it, and all the doctor visits to figure out what, if anything was or was not fit for human consumption and all the lawyers and court visits to determine why the person or persons did not know better than to drink the water in the first place and to determine how much the person should be forced to pay the limited liability corporation for their pain and suffering from any potential loss of sales. Don’t you guys care about jobs!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:10 am

stands, that new blogger is probably a member of the governor’s staff…. you know the ones that exclude news reporters who don’t report things the way the governor likes.

retired early

December 28th, 2011
8:12 am

If you want more examples of Republican conservative ECO values, look no further than their Presidential front runner….Ron Paul. What a joke…and he leads pack.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:12 am

Most animals have enough sense to not take a dump in their own drinking water.

Most, but not all…

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
8:13 am

stands

boy do i remember that…

and yes it was worth a chuckle.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:14 am

Who cares about the environment when you have money, amirite cons?

ProgressivePeach

December 28th, 2011
8:15 am

A Republican is shocked, shocked to discover his party is bought and paid for by big business? How naive can this guy be?

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:16 am

GG, if at-at’s account got compromised, and, say, Planned Parenthood wound up with, say, a $10K cash transfer from her account…

boy howdy, that’d be so wrong.

Right?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:17 am

The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago

This argument is like saying “whites only” signs are ok now because we haven’t seen them for a few years, and the free market will stamp out anyone who uses them. YEAH RIGHT.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
8:18 am

stands….

i take the fifth.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:19 am

stands, Granny: :D

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:19 am

that new blogger is probably a member of the governor’s staff….

But surely a member of some domestic terror organization as well. Perhaps ALEC?

Small business owner

December 28th, 2011
8:21 am

Tell ya what, give it all back to the Democrats. I am in the process of fixing accounting for the taxes we pay to go up to 48%. Attn people, there will be no hiring here in 2012 and I dont forsee keeping all that I have.

Go vote some more democrates into office. Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:22 am

Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

not intended to be a factual statement.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:23 am

Adam, I dont think Billy will ever make the connection that it was regulations and laws that cleaned up the rivers and waters, not the “free market”. “So why do we need more regulators throwing out draconian fines on perfectly good businesses” — he cannot fathom that that perfectly good business violated law for 5 years and polluted those waters and harmed other “perfectly good businesses” in doing so as well as people (but who cares about people, corporations are people now!)

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
8:23 am

“Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.”

Well, Obama will!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:25 am

Go vote some more democrates into office. Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

Seems like there’d be some Demcrates (rhymes with Socrates???) and Obama with jobs, so you’re assurance is very questionable there.

Just sayin’

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:25 am

Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

I am again reminded of a bumper sticker everyone here should buy and paste on their car:

http://www.zazzle.com/gop_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_to_put_one_bumper_sticker-128944374900409113

Darwin

December 28th, 2011
8:26 am

It has been my personal experience that most, if not all, Republicans could care less about the environment. Not because of jobs. They simply don’t care about the environment. I mean, they don’t care about anything that doesn’t affect them directly (e.g. gas prices, taxes, guns).. It’s sad because most of these people have kids. It’s like they don’t care about the kind of world they’re leaving for their kids. Very strange place we live in.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:26 am

I am in the process of fixing accounting for the taxes we pay to go up to 48%.

Are you by any chance related to Samuel Wurzelbacher?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:27 am

Demcrates (rhymes with Socrates???)

Dem-crah-tease…. I like it!

with jobs? Heck everyone knows those aren’t REAL jobs….

DawgInaTruck

December 28th, 2011
8:28 am

As I read stories like this I realize more and more I am a voter without a party. I am a conservative who loves the outdoors and grew up hunting and fishing as much as anything. We were always taught to do both responsibly; the harvesting of wildlife for food not only helps feed your family, and as long as you don’t ‘over-hunt’ or ‘over-fish’ you do nothing to negatively impact that wildlife.

Allowing any company to dump any kind of chemical into our waterways with little or no punishment is shameful at best and appointing a development-heavy board to oversee our natural resources is nothing more than putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.

With great reluctance I voted for Governor Deal in the last election. I didn’t see much of a choice but come on; if you can’t manage your own finances how can be you be entrusted with the state’s finances? I won’t make the same mistake twice.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:29 am

Stands, that one is probably Bill Looman’s brother. :D

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:30 am

Gas prices are currently staying at about the same price or lower for the past few weeks. So how come I don’t hear the resounding “It’s Obama’s fault!” When that happens, but we are SURE to hear it when Iran cuts off the oil pipeline thanks to a bill that passed with over 400 votes from Congress?

Oh let me guess, it’ll be because we haven’t built our OWN pipeline yet, and also it’s all Obama’s fault that Congress practically unanimously voted diplomacy out and sanctions in.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:30 am

GT

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

These boys in this Republican Party of 2011 counter every argument with the Bogeyman is going to get you. Then one day we wake up and find they are the Bogeyman they warn us about. We have entrusted our lives and future to the very group of self interested individuals that have no conscience in the path of what they desire.

I remember the Tea Party leader in Ohio who tried to bully our president into explaining his comments to a public forum on why he called the Tea Party terrorist. He followed Obama around as he shook hands like a thug in a parking lot practically spiting on him, while egging him into a fight. He demanded to know why the president had identified him and his party as terrorist.

When all this clears, history will show a few men caused this, like a few men caused segregation and a few men caused the death of six million Jews. History lies, this stuff is caused by mass support, like a lynch mob, stupidity raises up in all of us. Leaders should not be part of common stupidity more less lead it and us. The results are historic.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

dB – 8:16 – (chuckling)

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

Small business owner, isn’t there some Georgia river you should be dumping poisons into?

You maybe small (and semi-literate!) but you can do your part!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

I didn’t see much of a choice but come on; if you can’t manage your own finances how can be you be entrusted with the state’s finances?

Ummm, I think you did see a choice, but you decided to override your gut instinct. I’d advise to always go with the gut.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

Go vote some more democrates into office. Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

Apparently that line of “thought” works on those self-proclaimed “conservatives” of the Republican faith.

Finn McCool (Run Newt, run! You da man!)

December 28th, 2011
8:33 am

I don’t need a state or federal government to tell me how I should act in the great outdoors.

Yeah, we don’t need a state or federal government to tell businesses how they should act in the great outdoors – they can decide for themselves where to dump their waste matter!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:34 am

Adam

You got the pronunciation wrong. It’s de-mah-cruh-tees. :)

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
8:34 am

as far as the “nobody will have a job EVAH” post …

dude, seriously??? from the 48% to the “I assure you” – proof positive that you need more fiber, cuz, my friendly, you are SERIOUSLY full of something …

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:35 am

that one is probably Bill Looman’s brother

now, now.

Looman *might* not be flat-out lying about how he’s na gone hire nobody long as that uppity ni*CLANG* is in office.

“[not]Joe the [not] Plumber” did, in fact, flat-out lie about being in a position to buy a business that would bring him a projected $250K of annual personal income, in order to get his fifteen minutes of fame.

Therein would lie the difference.

Not So Casual Observer

December 28th, 2011
8:35 am

Only a group of liberals could find humor in the theft of personal information by criminals. But why not? Liberals by definition are criminals – the entire group loves stealing the money of those who achieve.

Buyer's Remorse

December 28th, 2011
8:36 am

DawgInaTruck RE: I won’t make the same mistake twice.

After 2008 I believe you have a great bumper sticker for 2012 !!!

DawgInaTruck

December 28th, 2011
8:36 am

Brosephus, unfortunately you are right. I remember telling my wife it was like choosing the lesser of two evils. No one to blame for this one but me.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:36 am

USinUK: proof positive that you need more fiber, cuz, my friendly, you are SERIOUSLY full of something …

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Pass the screen cleaner….

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:37 am

Hey where’s kayaker? 47% approval to 45% disapproval for Obama. OHNOES!

ragnar danneskjold

December 28th, 2011
8:38 am

The King American Finishing spill settlement, condemned within the essay, reveals the deficiency in leftist governance theory. Impoverishing a business, even a rogue business, is a brainless model – it allows the powerful to merely buy their way into law violation. The fine should not have been even $1,, and the state board ought not have the power to levy a fine. Rather the culpable – in this case, the plant manager – should be serving jail time, if the allegations of discharge were provable at trial.

Rather than whine about various overlords losing their privileged positions, the more appropriate approach is to highlight the frequent deficiencies in state performance (did not the essay suggest that this vital DNR agency failed to detect discharge for as long as five years?) One comes to expect incompetence in government, and those overlords in charge for that period ought to lose their jobs. A more effective cure would be to abolish the “permit” system, and allow local DAs to prosecute spills.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:38 am

dude, seriously??? from the 48% to the “I assure you” – proof positive that you need more fiber, cuz, my friendly, you are SERIOUSLY full of something …

I try to tell people when they come here not to drink the water but do they listen!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:39 am

Dawg

Not to blame you personally, but that’s what happens when you have a nonchalant voting public. Most voters are utterly clueless until it’s time to go into the booth. Then they are utterly clueless and a decision maker. If people demanded more and held their elected officials more accountable, then there’s a chance to break that lesser of two evils cycle. As long as people sit on their hands and allow business as usual, nothing’s gonna change.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:39 am

Only a group of liberals could find humor in the theft of personal information by criminals.

No, not in theft of personal information. Specific harm to a whiny, drama queen douche-bagette who went by a screen handle she’d picked so it couldn’t be Googled?

Who couldn’t respond to anyone’s post without making at least one attack on that person’s character?

Yeah, we think it’d be funny.

And you can bite me if you don’t like it.

DawgInaTruck

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

Remorse, how’s this?

“I got a Raw Deal the first time. I won’t make the same mistake twice.”

willydoit?

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

I hear the president of King America Finishing is a democrat

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

“Rather the culpable – in this case, the plant manager – should be serving jail time, if the allegations of discharge were provable at trial”

Sure, because putting someone in jail is going to go SUCH a LONG WAY towards paying for the clean-up, right?

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

Let’s play finish the sentence!

“One comes to expect incompetence in government……”

When one elects anti government republicans.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

Not so casual,

I know where you can get some free fish although I would not recommend wading out there without some serious skin protection.

carlosgvv

December 28th, 2011
8:41 am

Big Business doesn’t just own House and Senate Republicans. They also own Republicans at the state level as well. It’s clear Deal is bought and paid for by Corporations. It’s also clear that Georgia has a majority of dirt road dumb voters who will gladly re-elect him and all his cronies in the State Legislature. Georgia is usually at the bottom in most areas, but in The Dumbing Down of America, we are champs.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:42 am

Impoverishing a business, even a rogue business, is a brainless model – it allows the powerful to merely buy their way into law violation. The fine should not have been even $1,, and the state board ought not have the power to levy a fine. Rather the culpable – in this case, the plant manager – should be serving jail time, if the allegations of discharge were provable at trial.

Unsportsmanlike bullsh*t!!!!
Just as I’d expect some republogist to come here and post it, you never fail to amuse me. You’d rather businesses turn your drinking water into something that incinerates your body as soon as you consume it, and then blame the person for drinking tainted water instead of making sure the people responsible for it pay for what they’ve done. Reading your posts helps me understand why this country is in such a sh*thole nowadays.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
8:42 am

“Yeah, we think it’d be funny. ”

I second that emotion

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:43 am

republogist

heh.

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
8:44 am

…and allow local DAs to prosecute spills.

Bwahahahaha!

Like the Randians and their fellow pro-poison, environmental-criminal coddlers would be all over that, huh?

Can you imagine the outrage from rags the very first time there was a $100,000,000 fine levied against one of Georgia’s ecoterrorist organizations like King America Finishing???

They would have a cow and blame the cops instead of the criminals. (It’s the Republican way, doncha know?)

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:45 am

dB

I thought I’d shorten republican appologist. too many darned letters.

Repeat

December 28th, 2011
8:46 am

Brosephus — “Most voters are utterly clueless…” Truer words were never written —

From 1811/0311 –

“Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead, are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.”

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:48 am

a system of government where the least capable to lead, are elected by the least capable of producing

yeah, I think I heard this before…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

ragnar danneskjold

December 28th, 2011
8:49 am

Good morning Brosephus, minor correction, I am a conservpologist, not a republogist – I highlight the absence of intellectual-clothing among those bureaucrats you admire so.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:50 am

Repeat

Scout would be one of the last posters I’d quote. Seems like, according to his definition/your quote, GA’s ineptocracy is due to the republicans incapable of producing here. Accordingly, they’re being rewarded with goods and services that have been confiscated from producers, such as me, who have to bust their ass working hard 5 days a week, every week, just to stay afloat.

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
8:50 am

AmVet – At least if we had a cow, we could eat. ;)

Seriously though, it isn’t the amount of the fines that bother me (although, $1 million in this case seems to be more in the realm of what I would expect to pay, not what I would expect a corporation to pay), it is how they’re spent. If the funds were diverted directly to enforcement costs and rehab costs (in this case, it seems they funneled the $1 million into direct conservation/clean-up efforts which is good) then I would be all for it. If the money simply goes into the general fund to be played with by the politicians then I’m completely against it. I have an inherent distrust for politicians when it comes to them having anyone’s money. And while I don’t agree with Deal on this matter, I guess if it is allowed under law, it is his prerogative to do this, doesn’t make it right, but it only makes it wrong emotionally. Sadly, I voted for the guy, but for me it wasn’t so much about voting for him as it was for voting against Roy (who I have personal reasons for disliking).

ragnar danneskjold

December 28th, 2011
8:51 am

Dear AmVet @ 8:44, I should have known better than to look at one of your posts, which seemingly missed the heart of my argument on the futility of fines. Happy New Year, see that nothing has changed in the quality of your work.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:52 am

Impoverishing a business, even a rogue business, is a brainless model

Very clever of you to work Sarah Palin into that sentence as you did.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:53 am

I highlight the absence of intellectual-clothing among those bureaucrats you admire so.

You’ve obviously got me confused with somebody else. I don’t admire any bureaucrats. I’m more amused by your attempt to separate your lips from the gluteus maximus of those Republicans which you hold in such high esteem. Trying to re-brand yourself as a conservative is pure BS and can easily be proven by your non-appreciation of the current Reagan Democrat in office in DC. Any conservative worth a damn would appreciate the fact that the current POTUS is more of a conservative than GWB.

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
8:57 am

Bro – We might, but we have a hard time getting past our intense dislike for the man. I can appreciate some things he has done, but find myself appreciating him more when he is on vacation not doing anything. I also can’t appreciate other things he has done because they have affected me directly in a negative way. But that is just me.

jconservative

December 28th, 2011
8:58 am

“The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago –”

True. And that is due to the efforts of “the enviro-whackos”, in particular, the federal “enviro-whackos”.

Folks if you see the State enviro guys shutting their eyes to a blatant violation, pick up the phone and call the federal enviro guys. They will bring some sense of right/wrong to the situation.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
8:59 am

Bill Orvis White. You don’t sound a bit Christian in your thinking or actions.

You sound like a typical Republican who thinks money is more important then nature.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:00 am

jcons – 8:58 – well said.

Clueless

December 28th, 2011
9:00 am

I realize I’m a little naive, but was Bill Orvis White serious??? 80 miles of river polluted and only 1 million fine? I am a registered Independent, so that means I have no say-so about who gets on the ballot, but don’t the republicans realize that if the planet goes to waste their money wont save them

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
9:01 am

jcon — well of course that is until there is no EPA….. The state guys also have a harder time with jurisdictional issues when certain acts happen across state lines but we all KNOW that air, water, rain, wind will follow state borders and jurisdictional limits.

Interesting that Rangar there says don’t punish the corporations, punish the factory worker (not even the CEO). Again, corporations are part of the privileged class of “people”

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
9:04 am

Adam–Yesterday you asked me to provide a link to support my statement that “90%” of the media votes Democrat. Don’t have much time this AM, but here’s the first link that popped up:

http://www.mediaresearch.org/SpecialReports/2004/report063004_p1.asp

And here’s a link to show how this affected meda coverage of the last election:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/mccainobama_media_bias.html

What bothers me about the whole thing is that no liberal, especially liberal journalists, will admit this simple truth.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:04 am

Clueless: I realize I’m a little naive, but was Bill Orvis White serious???

No he is not serious. He is a very cleverly disguised satirical commenter and blogger.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:05 am

“punish the factory worker (not even the CEO)”

it’s no surprise, really … the factory worker isn’t a “job creator”, therefore is cannon fodder …

GT

December 28th, 2011
9:05 am

the entire group loves stealing the money of those who achieve.

Not So Casual, I wonder who has “stolen” more money. Even with inaccurate accounting, because most crimes on Wall Street go undetected while I hesitate to call a mother trying to feed her children a crime, but lets play by your rules the way they do on Wall Street. We have the usual suspects of Madoff, Enron and MCI. Then we add in the mortgage back security scandal, Countrywide comes to mind, the junk bond scandal, that probably encouraged the more immoral types to enter Wall Street, kick backs to pension funds, inside trading, and first offerings to a select group of customers like undetected kick backs. Then we have the undeserving bonuses, Goldman loss money in the first three quarters of this year, Goldman still allocated $10 billion in the first three quarters of 2011. And while you are burning up your calculator, remember our war on drugs, where we worry about a few billion that fall into the hands of terrorist so much that we spend trillions trying to control that while no one can explain where any of this Wall Street money ends up, but we want that ocean unregulated.

As I look across the landscape of America I see waste lands because of this activity we call Wall Street. Not exactly the productive poster child we advertise. Now when you get though figuring the stolen money in that can of worms, compare it to what we spend to fed some of the poor this has caused, then tell me where you think the danger lies in this country. We are all listening.

BW

December 28th, 2011
9:07 am

Well what do you expect from big government conservatives? Just abolish all the regulatory boards and be done with the farce. Ragnar…absolutely hilarious that you think the plant manager alone is responsible for the dumping as if his superiors did not condone the actions. We have to start thinking about what is most important and how it will be enforced. To think that some sort of body, elected or appointed, is not going to have control is an immature thought. Time to grow up, accept it and act responsibly.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
9:07 am

wow, I’ve seen some sh-tty citations to back up arguments on this comments section in the past, but Bruno’s @ 9.04 might be the most laughably awful to date.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:08 am

Bruno – from your first link: “42 percent – tell pollsters that news coverage of the presidential election has favored Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee for the White House. Among Republicans, reports Andy Kohut, president of the Pew Research Center, 71 percent say press coverage has been biased toward Obama”

that’s almost laughable … first of all, define “bias”

is reporting that Obama is leading in the polls showing “bias” or is it reporting the facts?
is reporting that a presidential candidate is turning out crowds in the hundreds of thousands in Europe showing “bias” or is it reporting the facts?

so, please – since that article didn’t even bother to define the “bias” it is so desperately trying to prove, don’t assume that we’re going to take it as gospel.

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 28th, 2011
9:10 am

“ready to carry out his agenda for our state”

In respect to King ‘Amerka’ Finishing, i see the ga Republicans agenda is
-pollute Ga’s water supply down here w/deadly chemicals
-fine them less than a weeks profit
-work illegal messicans (not Georgians) to make up the shortfall
-don’t check on it, e-verify or otherwise

heckuva job Ga Republicans, I’d look at this & shake my head & laugh
but its not funny any more and some kids fishing might be poisoned.
We’ll know in a few years if they get cancer – HAHAHAHAHA
you f-ing cons are riot, lemme tell you

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
9:12 am

ok, the Petition Project might be the single dumbest citation ever mentioned here, but Bruno’s is close. Very close.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:13 am

dB – 9:12 – :lol: ohsweetjeebus, I forgot about that …

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
9:13 am

so, please – since that article didn’t even bother to define the “bias” it is so desperately trying to prove, don’t assume that we’re going to take it as gospel.

USinUK–If you’ll read a little further along, you’ll come to the meat of the article:

“”As has been the case throughout the general election campaign, coverage of Obama outweighed that of Republican John McCain last week by a significant margin,” Kohut notes: 81 percent of the campaign stories analyzed by the Project for Excellence in Journalism prominently featured the Illinois senator, while 53 percent featured McCain. The media’s sustained focus on the Obama campaign has raised questions about press bias”.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:15 am

Bruno: Not finding a 90% figure in either link, and I also am taking the first link with a grain of salt, just fyi.

While media exposure in 2008 was one metric, 2010 and coverage of the GOP primary are HEAVILY tilted toward the conservative viewpoint as positive in most media outlets, with GOP candidates getting 4 times more positive coverage than Obama, and Obama being the most negatively covered of everyone. This all, of course, comes from a more reputable source than you have presented: Pew Research. Also, my examples are more recent.

2010 midterms: http://www.journalism.org/numbers_report/midterms%E2%80%99_media_mainstays
GOP vs Obama 2011: http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/cr?src=prc-headline

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
9:16 am

(ir)Rational

It’s all because of personal biases that people choose not to see Obama for the conservative that he truly is. It’s far easier to label him as something seriously liberal when you have a gullible public that doesn’t read and research for themselves.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:16 am

Bruno – 9:13 – hrmmmm …

sounds to me like someone is advocating for the Fairness Doctrine …

and, again, unless you look at the CONTENT of the articles, simply looking at the NUMBER tells you nothing.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
9:17 am

I forgot about that …

you know what I like mostest about that site? the way that the Pee Aitch Dee guy had to write the word “PHYSICS” in a second-grader’s scrawl, in all caps, on the home page’s sample petition.

Donovan

December 28th, 2011
9:18 am

Well, Jay, I see you stirred up all the lefties once again with something that is dear to their little eco hearts.

Although that offending company should have been fined more than a million dollars for screwing up the river, maybe all those Occupy hippies can find work cleaning up the future messes created by all those mean GOP polluters.

Meanwhile, isn’t it refreshing to see that something is being done by cleaning up career board memberships of socialist greeny organizations?

Boy, talk about the reaction of taking away a bone from these eco dogs.

zeke

December 28th, 2011
9:18 am

Diversity- THE MOST OVER USED IRRELEVANT WORD IN THE LANGUAGE! IT MEANS NOTHING! IT DOES NOTHING BUT REDISTRIBUTE! IT DOES NOT HELP OUR ECONOMY OR OUR SOCIETY!

cosby

December 28th, 2011
9:18 am

Yawn, politics again show that common snese does not exist in the USA. How much control should the DNR or any government have, that should be the focus. The DNR will overstep it bounds, always has and always will. While some in the DNR try to do the correct thing, the DNR in itself is an oversealous government organization. Put a uneducated fool in an uniform and watchthem becoming a great authority…DNR, TSA are perfec examples. Deal is a politician bought and paid for, but who did the Dems run against him…another bought and paid for politician…..time for “None of the Above” to appear on the ballot and if none of the above wins, the office stays empty.

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 28th, 2011
9:19 am

7 troll droppings

6 bu..bu..Obamaaaaa’s

on a Ga state DNR thread….how do they feed themselves & remember
to breathe?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:20 am

Save the Old Atlanta Prison Farm

December 28th, 2011
9:21 am

Atlanta’s next great park. Larger than Piedmont Park or Grant Park. Already partially developed with two lakes and trails. Owned (and neglegted) by City of Atlanta. In Unicorporated Dekalb County, Inside I-285. http://www.facebook.com/ATLPrisonFarm

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:21 am

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:22 am

Bro – But in the end, we’re all going to vote based off personal bias. So, to my mind anyway, that is what matters. I’m personally biased against him, I recognize that fact, and try to look past it when I evaluate different policies and stuff. I’ve liked some of what I’ve seen and disliked some.

At the same time, I haven’t been able to find a candidate running that I actually agree with on much of anything. I did one of those survey quizzes to try and help me figure it out, and I didn’t agree with more than 3 issues for any candidate. Kinda begs the question, for me anyway, where’s my candidate?

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:22 am

“7 troll droppings

6 bu..bu..Obamaaaaa’s”

Fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive Gooooooooooooooooooooolden Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings …

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
9:22 am

Aquaponics. For those who want to know what’s in their food.

carlosgvv

December 28th, 2011
9:23 am

The news this morning is that all the candidates in Iowa are trying to persuade the voters that they are more conservative than the others. Why aren’t there any candidates telling the voters they are centerist? Why aren’t there any saying they are liberal? When did centerist and liberal become bad things to be? And just exactly what is it that conservatives are trying to conserve?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:23 am

Bruno: As a side note, Obama would have gotten 3 to 5 MORE percentage points in the popular vote than he did were it not for racism, a supposedly dead thing in America:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/12/01/study-racial-bias-cost-obama-3-to-5-points-in-2008-election/

(Yes, I know, it’s an opinion article, but it links to the study that you can read for yourself).

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:23 am

USinUK – Do you know four “birds” that could call?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:23 am

USinUK @ 9:22a: Oh you are on FIRE today! :D

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:24 am

USinUK – Also, being on that side of the pond, you probably have a better chance of knowing three French hens too.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:25 am

(ir) – well, with the new Sprint plan, those birds can call their friends and family for free on weekends and weeknights after a certain time …

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:26 am

(ir) – 9:24 – all the French hens have flown back to the continent in protest against David Cameron …

A dad

December 28th, 2011
9:26 am

Man o man, I can’t believe how you libruls don’t see what was happening. By polluting, America King was trying to kill off the downstream oyster industry that makes us have to share Lake Lanier’s water. If there’s no oysters and such in the Gulf, then Hotlanta can have Lanier all to itself. And also, by killing all those fish, King was just making it easier to catch them. Do any of you fish? Don’t you know how hard it can be to get one of them suckers to bite? But if they’re dead and floating belly up, why all you have to do is scoop em up and viola! instant fish fry. Course since them fish are not flame retardant, might have to cook a bit extra long and all.

Yeah, Deal sux. But look at the other choice. Kinda reminds me of upcoming November.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
9:27 am

Free peanut butter for all card-carrying members of the Georgia GOP because the owner knows you won’t hold a grudge and blame him for your own shortcomings. I mean, if you get sick and die from eating something tainted, it’s you own damn fault. :roll:

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:27 am

carlosgvv: But surely they are espousing liberal values somewhere, since the media is all liberal and there’s nothing but liberal bias…

EXCEPT for all the examples I just gave about how CONSERVATIVE media bias is MORE prevalent than liberal media bias now, and I submit it has been that way for some time because of networks just trying to stay away from the charge of “liberal media bias” so they could appeal to conservatives more and more and more and more…..

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:28 am

USinUK – So you’re saying England is cleaner and smells better? ;)

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:28 am

But if they’re dead and floating belly up, why all you have to do is scoop em up and viola! instant fish fry.

I loves me some contaminated chemical-laden fish fry!

Facts

December 28th, 2011
9:28 am

trz

December 28th, 2011
9:30 am

I knew that Nathan Deal — and all like him — would be bad for Georgia as soon as I heard that he was running for governor. He and his friends will destroy this state.

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:30 am

Adam – Dems de best kind! Why Three Ears Johnny, his momma cooks up the best flame-retardant fish!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
9:32 am

(ir)Rational

I used to be that way, but I remind myself that my personal biases don’t mean jack in the grand scheme of the functioning of this country. I’m only one person, and what I might particularly want may not be good for the country as a whole. I try to look long term and big picture when making those choices, even if it goes against my personal biases.

I loves me some contaminated chemical-laden fish fry!

It’s not contaminated chemical-laden fish, they are simply self-cooking fish. :)

A dad

December 28th, 2011
9:32 am

Aw shucks now. Y’all stop joshin me and such. I knows you libruls only wants organiks fishes. But you gotta admin, them mercury-flavored tuna steaks back in the 70’s and 80’s was mighty tasty. And heck, after eatin enough of them, why you didn’t even have to use a thermometer to take your temperature if your felt warm.

josef

December 28th, 2011
9:33 am

And hello day crew…

On topic…what I can’t seem to get a handle on is how anyone can call self a conservative and not be a near fanatic on environmental protection. If ever there were an issue that is conservative to the core, that would be it.

BROTHER BILL

Cuzzin JC says to keep on doing his work the way you’re doing it…separates the wheat from the chaff! :-)

A dad

December 28th, 2011
9:34 am

Bro – self cooking fish? remember, they were flame retardant. I think it was more along the line of preserving them for future consumption.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
9:34 am

Brosephus: I’m in favor of superpower inducing radioactive fish.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:35 am

“Obama’s admin stacked with crooked corrupt pos”

that’s all well and good … with the exception that the article you link to didn’t include a connection to Obama …

um.

flail.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:35 am

“I’m in favor of superpower inducing radioactive fish.”

do we REALLY want a catfish version of godzilla???

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:36 am

Bro – I try, but I haven’t had an election since I started voting that I didn’t have to hold my nose when I hit the button. I just haven’t liked anyone all that much. Not past the primaries anyway. Well, I’ll take that back, in 2004, I still liked Bush enough to feel proud about voting for him, so I guess I felt like I had a choice in my first election.

Self-cooking fish – hmmm, think we could market that and sell it to the military? Maybe self-preserving, self-cooking fish. Allowing the soldiers a “fishy” option with their MREs.

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:38 am

Bro – Also, I realize that as a conservative and a 20-something, what I want is WAY more important than what might be best for the country.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
9:38 am

Washington Times stacked with crazed moonies.

josef

December 28th, 2011
9:38 am

USinUK

“do we REALLY want a catfish version of godzilla???”

Of course we do….where is Granny G?

ST SIMONS
Been meaning to ask you, what was your take on “Creek Mary’s Blood?”

Mr_B

December 28th, 2011
9:38 am

You reckon that PhD physicist might be this guy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller

A dad

December 28th, 2011
9:39 am

Morning josef. As a conservative, I am in favor of environmental protection. Back in my USN days, I was statione on a tiny island in the Aleutians called Adak. I went for a walk one bright sunny day (we usually got one per year so why waste it) through pristine tundra. It was so unspoiled that it would have been easy to imagine no other human had ever walked there. I got over a hill, and on the other side was a goup of barrels that had been dumped around WWII. The barrels were leaking this bright orange, liquid plastic sunstance that was oozing downhill and slowly disappearing as it was absorbed by the tundra. It’s one of the most wrong things I’ve ever seen.
But the problem is there is no balance between what’s necessary, and going overboard and over-regulating everything. Very little common sense in dealing with the EPA.
Now, back to them fishes….

josef

December 28th, 2011
9:39 am

There she is!

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
9:41 am

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:35 am
“I’m in favor of superpower inducing radioactive fish.”

do we REALLY want a catfish version of godzilla???

Pardon Me!!!

So you have met Uncle Mr. Limpet. He’s incredible.

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:41 am

USinUK – Haven’t you ever been to the Tennessee Aquarium? We already have Godzilla versions of catfish.

Mr_B

December 28th, 2011
9:41 am

Top of the mornin’ to ya, josef.

Real Scootter

December 28th, 2011
9:42 am

It’s not contaminated chemical-laden fish, they are simply self-cooking fish.

They don’t even have to be self-cooking Bro! They are already pickled.Just fillet and enjoy!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:43 am

(ir) – I went not long after it opened … I don’t remember the Godzilla-Catfish! :-(

I do, however, remember stopping at Rock City on the way home … oh, yeah, babbee!!!

josef

December 28th, 2011
9:44 am

A DAD
I might agree with you except I have been lucky enough to have known one of the highest ranking bureacrats in the EPA and learned a lot from her (an arch conservative BTW) about the innerworkings and trying to maintain that balance. She d*mned her own more frequently than the tree huggers.

josef

December 28th, 2011
9:48 am

Mr-B

And a fine shalom to you…enjoying your sorry-low-down-good-for-nothing time off courtesy the poor beleagured taxpayers of the State of Georgia?

IR and US

That Tennessee Aquariaum is worth the visit…amazing!

******
Them fishes? Mass produced gefilte fish, imo…bleeeech….

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:49 am

USinUK – They have some mammoth catfish in there. Big enough to dissuade divers from playing in the Tennessee River. Something about a catfish that was around 130 pounds bumping into you underwater didn’t sit well with them. I can’t understand why, I think they’re all just a bunch of chickens.

Rock City was just up the road from home. Went there quite a bit as a child. Fun times. :)

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
9:50 am

Rock City is just a bunch of rocks…. surely we can develop that into a useful Walmart or something. Thing of the jobs created!

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:53 am

Keep Up – Who wants to drive up that road to get to a Walmart? Seriously? My wife just about had a panic attack going back into Chattanooga. :roll:

Mr_B

December 28th, 2011
9:54 am

josef: except for the 80 or so research projects I have to get graded, the (revised) scope and sequence plan for the second semester, the 1st semester final to write, the lesson plans for week 1 of the semester, the bench mark test for the 3rd quarter; yeah, just layin’ back and suckin’ offn’ the guvmint teat.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
9:54 am

do we REALLY want a catfish version of godzilla???

Imagine how many people you could feed with a few of those. :)

(ir)Rational

Those fish are the new heating elements for MRE’s.

Real Scooter

:lol: :lol: They also double as night lights for campers.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
9:54 am

irRational…. we can replace that incline railway with a large escalator! Why this bill has now been drafted and passed by the House….why won’t the Senate pass this jobs bill? :lol:

josef

December 28th, 2011
9:55 am

Irrational

Speaking of them giant catfish…I had a bud back many moons ago over in Jackson who was an inspector for the state’s dams. The way they initiated newcomers was to send them down without telling them what they were in for…the catfish would find a crevice in the dam and just sit there with mouths open eating the bounty washing down there….huge and monstrous mo-fos. The old timers would act like they had never seen such and tell the newbies they were seeing things and might need to be referred for drug testing!

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:55 am

Keep Up – My obvious point is that houses are needed there. We need more houses, obviously we don’t have enough.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:55 am

“Imagine how many people you could feed with a few of those.”

so THAT was Jesus’s secret!!!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
9:56 am

josef – your 9:55 just gave me a major case of the heebiejeebies.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
9:56 am

do we REALLY want a catfish version of godzilla???

Are we already pushing the limits with a granny version of godzilla? :P

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:57 am

josef – I’ve heard similar stories when it comes to inspecting the bridges and dams around Chattanooga. Always made me laugh as a child. The aquarium ruined that, because then all the newcomers knew what they were getting into.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
9:57 am

josef

the zillettes and I saw one of those monster cats out at the old Ross Barnett Reservoir…..it filled the whole damn boat.

so big it was creepy.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
9:58 am

irRational — you build houses you have to have a Walmart. Okay, compromise…..we just tear down the entire mountain, put is all in that river and then we have plenty of room :D

Bill Orvis White

December 28th, 2011
9:58 am

@USinUK
The $1M fine is draconian enough on a vulnerable business like this paint company. Why should the paint company have to $pend outrageous sums to clean up what is an honest accident and then have to pay an exhorbitant fine to big gov’t? Why should they go under thus putting hard-working folk out on the streets? You lefties scream out that taxpaying businesses on all levels should allow the gov’t to confiscate our hard-earned dollar$ and redistribute them to lazy deadbeats who NEVER EARNED THOSE DOLLAR$ IN THE FIRST PLACE.

@Keep Up The Good Fight!
Bill Looman III is a friend of mine….We are fellow businessmen who will not hire anyone until this foreign-born anti-colonialist is rightfully out of the Oval Office.

For anyone who is not a business owner on this lefty blog: High taxe$ and high, high regulation stifles job creation, pure and simple. The enviro-whacko movements goal is to make sure that legal and illegal people in this country are on the public dole and view Socialist-Democrat politicians as their personal saviors.

Amen,
Bill

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
9:58 am

USinUK – You may be on to something there. That is the most rational explanation I’ve heard concerning that.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
9:58 am

hey hey….I’m sitting right here.

Welcome to the Occupation

December 28th, 2011
10:00 am

So much for the big tent eh?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
10:00 am

BOW: Bill Looman III is a friend of mine

No surprises there… BTW, after Obama is done in 2016 and we put in the next Dem President….. you still not growing your business?

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
10:01 am

USinner

You can’t tell everybody his secret though. Re josef’s 9:55, that’s why this brother don’t swim anywhere that he can’t see a concrete bottom. :)

josef

December 28th, 2011
10:01 am

Mr B

I hear ya! We got thrown a new program for math just before break, gotta be ready to implement it the day the kids get back. I may be a linguist, but that thing is written in a language I’ve never studied! Illiterate don’t even begin to describe it! OREP wouldn’t survive the first three pages of some 300. But what the hey, cuddin’ Bubba’s company made a bundle….Oh, yeah, and the workshop for implementation? Scheduled three weeks after its date of implementation…second quarter grades due when we get back. And of course all those scope and sequence lesson plans…the good part is, most of it I can do and sit here and blabber, too…

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
10:02 am

Granny, you’re right….. I forgot to add “with all due respect”, now its okay. :D :P

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 28th, 2011
10:02 am

josef – Dee Allen Brown novel or Nightwish song?

Nightwish – Yanni meets Celtic Woman meets my family..haha
the novel? dude, i’m raisin 5 kids & an accting practice, no time

but as to the bigger theme, I disagree with the premise of
“mournful end of an era”. No, it is the beginning of a new great era.
In December 2012. The calendar says so. People like
me & your two-spirit friend poke fun at them (the Older Ones), but
they knew something we don’t. You just watch. It’ll be here soon enough

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
10:03 am

Why should the paint company have to $pend outrageous sums to clean up what is an honest accident

We have a new leading republogist here. A 5 year honest accident??? Really??? You’re really gonna push that meme??? Honestly???

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:05 am

“The $1M fine is draconian enough on a vulnerable business like this paint company.”

given that it is still in business, it is obviously not that vulnerable after paying the fine.

“Why should the paint company have to $pend outrageous sums to clean up what is an honest accident and then have to pay an exhorbitant fine to big gov’t?”

TWO WORDS: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

“Why should they go under thus putting hard-working folk out on the streets?”

As they haven’t “gone under”, you might want to peddle your crocodile tears elsewhere.

“You lefties scream out that taxpaying businesses on all levels should allow the gov’t to confiscate our hard-earned dollar$ and redistribute them to lazy deadbeats who NEVER EARNED THOSE DOLLAR$ IN THE FIRST PLACE.”

gosh … the military is a bunch of lazy deadbeats??? as are the oil companies, farmers and others that have no problem suckling at the teat of government welfare???

good to know.

godless heathen

December 28th, 2011
10:06 am

Incidents like the American Finishing incident don’t usually happen due to who is sitting on the Board of the DNR. They happen because the regulatory community is focused like a laser beam on trivial things that make no difference. In this case, you have blatant violations occurring over a period of years, undetected by regulators who are pouring over reams and reams of analytical data submitted by the permitees as required by the voluminous permit requirements.

The regulations need to simplified, they need to be refocused on real hazards, not fractions of parts per trillion of obscure compounds, and applied with a healthy dose of common sense.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:06 am

Brocephus – and josef’s brother isn’t the only one … I don’t swim where I can’t see what I’m swimmin with!!!

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
10:10 am

Adam–It might serve you better to actually read some of your links before posting.

2010 midterms

The first link you provided showed that Obama received far, far more coverage than anyone else.

GOP vs Obama 2011:

Your second link claimed that Obama was receiving a disproportionate share of negative coverage compared to the Repub candidates, claiming that Rick Perry has received the most favorable coverage of all. That doesn’t match my experience at all.

(Yes, I know, it’s an opinion article, but it links to the study that you can read for yourself).

In your third link, the “researcher” analyzed Google searches and draw some fantastical conclusion about how racism affected the outcome of last election.. But thank you once again for supporting my earlier point that playing the race card is a staple of the Left.

sounds to me like someone is advocating for the Fairness Doctrine …

No, USinUK, my goal is more meager–to simply get one liberal here to admit that the media in our country is heavily biased toward Democrat candidates. A fool’s errand, I understand……

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
10:10 am

“I don’t swim where I can’t see what I’m swimmin with!!!”

When I was in high school the brother of a friend of mine got his scuba certification and couldn’t wait to go diving, so he got a buddy to take him out on the Ocmulgee River in Macon. Said he wasn’t down there more than a few minutes when a mouth wider than his shoulders loomed up out of the gloom (they call the Ocmulgee the Old Muddy, just so you’ll understand!) He got back in the boat PRONTO!

Adam

December 28th, 2011
10:13 am

Bruno: The first link you provided showed that Obama received far, far more coverage than anyone else.

So? Obama wasn’t running in the midterms. The only relevant parts of that study are everyone who was running.

Your second link claimed that Obama was receiving a disproportionate share of negative coverage compared to the Repub candidates, claiming that Rick Perry has received the most favorable coverage of all. That doesn’t match my experience at all.

Do I really have to tell you why “My personal experience trumps statistics” isn’t valid, AGAIN?

But thank you once again for supporting my earlier point that playing the race card is a staple of the Left.

Do I really have to point out that discussing racism is not the same as pulling the race card, AGAIN?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
10:14 am

Joseph

December 28th, 2011
10:15 am

Republicans run the great state of Georgia Jay. Get over it!!! The far left have no place here……

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:15 am

Bruno – “No, USinUK, my goal is more meager–to simply get one liberal here to admit that the media in our country is heavily biased toward Democrat candidates. A fool’s errand, I understand…”

again – saying that there are more articles doesn’t say what kind of coverage it is.

for instance: if Obama had 50 articles about his ties to Rev Wright, would you say that was positive media bias???

and, again, considering most election-year articles are horserace articles about how people are doing in the polls, reporting that someone is “ahead” isn’t a matter of bias, it’s a matter of facts.

so, no, I’m not going to “admit” that there is bias – particularly when the “evidence” you site is so weak.

DBCOOPER

December 28th, 2011
10:15 am

Obama Administration + Green = CORRUPT

josef

December 28th, 2011
10:15 am

US and Brosephus…
This prissy f*ggot don’t swim there neither unless I know who’s toilet it is, and generally thass enough to keep me out…

St Simon’s

Pretty much my take on it too…

Speaking of the elders and what they knew…are you familiar with the prophecy and the finding of Sequoyah’s grave and what’s going on there?

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
10:16 am

BILL ORVIS,

Right on man! The balance between the sheep, pigs and dogs has not been balanced in my lifetime…the playing field is too heavily weighted for the pigs who get wealthy with our money who have a love/hate relationship with the dogs. One minute the pigs need the dogs cash, next minute they abuse the dogs via much (not all) needless increased cost of business. Meanwhile, us sheep are completely manipulated and carry the short straw…

Glad you called out this group of mostly self-congratulatory, mutual admiring predicable pundits. I’m wondering why they think businesses are stockpiling a record amount of cash.

Solid play..

GT

December 28th, 2011
10:16 am

Donovan you think the occupancy of a public park by humans equals the damage of polluting a river and killing 80,000 fish. I tell you what, I bet if you stopped polluting the rivers, the air, and warming up the polar caps we could talk those guys into staying at home down in central park. Now if the guys with the tents went away that would have little effect of your torturing our planet, but you my man have the power to really make a difference. You Donovan by changing your soul from that of a pig to that of a caring human being that cares about not only others but the future of this world would be considered a good person. Probably in your case for the first time in your life. Maybe even your own mother might start claiming you. Make a difference in a good way Donovan, repent.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:17 am

“He got back in the boat PRONTO!”

:lol:

“never get outta the boat”

Obama is a LIAR

December 28th, 2011
10:17 am

All of you Democrats are stupid. Jay Bookman is a paid liar for the liberal democrat party. Obama is dishonest and had a homosexual relationship with a man named Larry Sinclair.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:18 am

“Obama Administration + Green”

Deal is part of the Obama administration???

who knew!

Kamchak

December 28th, 2011
10:20 am

Obama is dishonest and had a homosexual relationship with a man named Larry Sinclair.

There’s your sign.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:20 am

josef – “are you familiar with the prophecy and the finding of Sequoyah’s grave and what’s going on there?”

DO TELL!!!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:20 am

Kam – 10:20 – you think it’s a “sign” comment? I thought it was more of a SQUIRREL! comment, myself …

Adam

December 28th, 2011
10:21 am

USinUK: My goal is also simple. To get conservatives to admit that media bias is actually heavily slanted CONSERVATIVE nowadays, and they should appreciate it and STFU about almost non-existent liberal media bias.

josef

December 28th, 2011
10:22 am

Obama/Liar

“Obama is dishonest and had a homosexual relationship with a man named Larry Sinclair.”

Well, if that IS true and you believe it, then you oughta know you better keep your mouth shut if you wanna keep drawing air… :-)

JOSEPH

I wouldn’t say there’s no place for liberals in Georgia…I’m doing just fine, thankee…

Obama is a LIAR

December 28th, 2011
10:23 am

Larry Sinclair: Obama’s “Drug and Sex party limosine”

GavinVox68
Subscribe

The ajc is a mouthpiece for the DNC. Jay is bought and paid for by the Obama re-election campaign. David Axlerod is a slumlord owner in Chicago. And he is owned by George Soros just like Obama.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
10:25 am

I heard Obama’s mother had a heterosexual relationship with a man…….. whatever is this world coming too….. Why next we’ll hear rumors Nixon was gay.

Kamchak

December 28th, 2011
10:26 am

Kam – 10:20 – you think it’s a “sign” comment?

Abso-freakin’-lutely!

40′ tall pink neon sign with a feather boa.

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
10:26 am

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
10:26 am

Nathan Deal won the governor’s job in an election by the people of Georgia. You liberals are always stating that Bozo won the presidency by a 52/46 margin, therefore, “the people have spoken”. Well, it looks like the people of Georgia “have spoken” as well. Nothing like a little “good old Democracy”. ne-ces-pas?

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
10:26 am

Doggone

I would have advised him of doing such a thing, but I’m not really trying to get scuba certification for myself either. No need for scuba equipment when you’re in a swimming pool. :)

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
10:28 am

You liberals are always stating that Bozo won the presidency by a 52/46 margin, therefore, “the people have spoken”.

That hasn’t seemed to reach conservative ears though as many still think he’s not the POTUS 3 yrs into his term.

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
10:30 am

DBCOOPER,

BRAVO! Please be advised that you will now get the obligatory request for links supporting your position….I got plenty if needed…

Don’t forget Telecom, Goldman Sachs and other financial service companies…

Tony

December 28th, 2011
10:30 am

It amazes me that the terms “conservation” and “conservative” come from the same root word but so many of you see these concepts as mutually exclusive.

There will be no future development in this state if we kill everything in the name of supporting a business friendly agenda.

josef

December 28th, 2011
10:30 am

USinUk

Sequoyah died on his way to take the syllabry to the Mexican Cherokee and his tomb was unknown. According to the Mexican tradition his tomb would be found by a boy and would be identified by his Congressional medal which he always wore as a sign of the better nature of the white world, and he would be surrounded with his talking leaves. This would be a sign of the ingathering of the Cherokee people and an ushering in of a new age. According to the Mexican Cherokee the tomb was recently discovered by a young boy who is now being groomed for his role. Only when he says so, will the tomb be identified….

Needless to say, the less traditional Cherokee are a bit skepticle and would like to send a team of professional archaelogists to investigate…no small few also want a team of psychologists! :-)

Adam

December 28th, 2011
10:30 am

47% approval. Ohnoes kayaker.

Obama is a LIAR

December 28th, 2011
10:31 am

josef, In Chicago a man named Young was found dead in his apartment. This Mr.Young had a long term homesexual relationship with Barack Obama.The man was shot five times and he was the musical director for Obama’s church Trinity United Chirst of Christ. The corrupt Chicago play to pay police department closed the case because it would hurt Obama’s election because they were paid by Axlerod is what people say in Chicago. Also Rev.Wright is a homosexual.

GT

December 28th, 2011
10:31 am

Bill Orvis White, hold true to your oath my man. You will be among the unemployed ,whose number are weakening, just in time for you to help them out. Like the farmer in south Georgia who lets his crop rot in the field because he refuses to hire illegals or is force by your type to not hire. The competition doesn’t ride that high horse call Hatred, they grow the crops we refuse and that employment of a farmer heads to greener pastures so to speak. Keep leading your type to the fire others are escaping, take some marshmellows with ya.

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
10:31 am

Brocephus, 10:28

It appears that many in the liberal camp feel the same way about Deal.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:32 am

kayaker – 10:26 – you might want to look up the word “democracy” as I don’t think it means what you seem to think it means

“According to Budd, the DNR board has been told it can no longer elect its own officers, and instead those officers will be named by the governor.”

Gator Joe

December 28th, 2011
10:32 am

Jay:
The wealthy, corporate Right Wing aren’t concerned about the environment here in GA except to the extent that it can support their industries with water and other natural resources. The outdoors they enjoy probably aren’t here in GA, but rather in more distant, pristine places most of us cannot afford to visit or enjoy. These people will continue to degrade our environment for their selfish aims, while the mindless, ignorant masses here in GA will continue to support them and vote for their bought and paid-for Republican representatives.

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
10:32 am

“No need for scuba equipment when you’re in a swimming pool”

Amen to that! But at least we don’t have Mekong catfish here…those suckers get up over 600 lbs!

F. Sinkwich

December 28th, 2011
10:33 am

All you tree-hugging Eco-weenies here are watermelons — green on the outside and red on the inside.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
10:34 am

I heard that the poster that calls himself “Obama is a liar”
wears spiderman underpants.

Kamchak

December 28th, 2011
10:34 am

Lib ilk alert!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:34 am

“This would be a sign of the ingathering of the Cherokee people and an ushering in of a new age.”

that sounds promising! (and it definitely beats a casino!)

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
10:34 am

USinUK, 10:32,

A bit of satire, fair lady…. nothing more.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
10:35 am

Amazing how many of those Dem presidents are just knocking off people right and left…..why look at them Clintons, Obama….. JFK and Bobby tried but someone got them first. And you know that Carter had to be up to something…. Its only the Republicans who are above all this conspiracy. :lol:

Obama is a LIAR

December 28th, 2011
10:35 am

People don’t be fooled again by this frauld Obama. Most of the same bloggers that blog here are stupid liberal democrats or prideful black obama racists.

josef

December 28th, 2011
10:35 am

K’chak
DDR’s still got that boa! I want it back…it’s a relic, now! :-)

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
10:36 am

Obama is a LIAR

Geez….I find your comments a stunning testiment to what appears to fall on the anger side of my feeling wheel. OK, let’s amuse you for a second and assume BO has partaken in less than heterosexual activities…Why would that matter and what impact could that possibly have on anything?

Of course he is a liar…last time I checked he was a politician…..C’mon man, dig deeper into your vast bag of knowledge and amuse us further..

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:36 am

“All you tree-hugging Eco-weenies here are watermelons — green on the outside and red on the inside.”

:lol:

ohmy … commies???

what year is it again???

WOLVERINES!!!

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
10:36 am

Well, Siclair is really no better looking than Bebe Rebozo and
according to recent news he and Dick Nixon played some slap and tickle….

Kamchak

December 28th, 2011
10:37 am

People don’t be fooled again by this frauld Obama.

Where’s frauld?

I thought he was kenyan.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:38 am

“Most of the same bloggers that blog here are stupid liberal democrats or prideful black obama racists.”

(pssssst … it looks like someone’s been hitting the ‘nog pretty heavily this morning)

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
10:38 am

Obama is a LIAR

Seems like you and few others are concerned with Obama’s sexual identification. Who Cares about who he’s doing???

kayaker

I’ve seen that. I have no problem with Deal being governor. I just question the moral compass of those who voted for him. Dude has a cloud of ethics surrounding him that would make pig pen jealous, but that’s just my view.

Doggone

Saw those on River Monsters. No way in hell you’re getting me anywhere near that river. I don’t think I’d do it in a boat.

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
10:39 am

“Granny craps her pants and smells them.”

And 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

lynnie gal

December 28th, 2011
10:39 am

This state is dominated by Republicans who convince the Orvis’s of the world that they don’t need clean air, water, trees to live. Check your grade school biology books–they tried to educate children that indeed they do need clean air, water and trees to survive. Oh, that’s right–Republicans don’t believe in science. So, let’s challenge them to hold their breath and do without drinking water for a few days to prove that humans don’t need those things. I encourage every Republican to take that challenge. Pleez?

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
10:40 am

Obama is a LIAR, 10:36,

A bit over the top, wouldn’t you say? I don’t agree with her a lot of time either but even this band of thieves has some standards.

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
10:40 am

OBAMA IS A LIAR,

“All democrats are stupid”…so you think they have a corner on the stupid market? Let’s see, Dan Quayle, George Bush, Ralph Reed…this is no small, distinguished list.

Guess it depends on what your definition of “stupid is” is…

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
10:40 am

Obama is a Liar

Yep, but i poop rose petals…..

josef

December 28th, 2011
10:40 am

USinUK

Casinos? Oh, I don’t know…I’m like Unmentionable…just call it guilt gelt and come on in! The buffalo’s back!

RB from Gwinnett

December 28th, 2011
10:42 am

I thought for sure Jay’s post today would be about Pelosi’s educational vacation experience getting to know the 1%. You gotta wonder how welcome the other guests make her feel when her parties entire platform revolves around shafting them as much as possible.

Do you think she took up a collection from the ones who agreed they aren’t paying their fair share?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
10:42 am

The interaction between Obama is a liar and Granny means it’s time for a new thread, :lol:

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
10:43 am

GT

December 28th, 2011
10:43 am

kayaker 71 I gladly give you Deal as the majority of this state in his thinking. He is the poster boy of the bottom in jobs, education and government corruption. The majority voted this dude into office, and I imagine a lot of them favor his immoral and failed policies. To keep company with this snake and publicly admit it may be the only honest thing you do this year Kayater 71 which is a step in a long journey but a step in the right direction.

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
10:44 am

Brochephus, 10:38,

“I just question the moral compass of those who voted for him”. Wow, you hit the nail on the proverbial head. I have also wondered the same thing but applied to our President.

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 28th, 2011
10:44 am

josef-sequoyah- whoa, you’ll have to update me on that one.
I heard there was a legend, but that’s all…

obama is bi? man that adds new horsepower to the pahtayy
on the WH lawn dis November. First, Snoop dogg, now thiiiis.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
10:45 am

“just call it guilt gelt and come on in! ”

:lol:

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
10:46 am

LYNNIEGAL,

Wow, quite dramatic wouldn’t you agree? You may be surprised that many NEOCONS or otherwise GOP wingnuts are concerned about the environment but draw the line at believing an immature science called climatescience beyond a shadow of a doubt….wanting more solid connection to what’s man-made.

Now I will run put on my wetsuit so to accomodate the blathering shout downs I will enjoy from those who think the science is infallable and no limits should be placed on the amount of other peoples money, increased cost of goods sold et al to attempt to rectify a problem that may not truly exist…

Such global statements are not much fun…

Matti's Grasp of Reality

December 28th, 2011
10:51 am

….the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.

Nothing new here. This is how it works when corruption is applauded as a virtue by the so-called “values voters.” What a joke. If you can’t value this lovely, bountiful corner of the earth God made for us, and protect it like a good steward should, and protect God’s creatures who RELY on clean air and water, (opting instead to favor lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and their donors), then I want nothing to do with your “values.” YUCK!

Bill Orvis White

December 28th, 2011
10:52 am

@Stevie Ray
James Trafficant, Algore, Bubba Clinton, Keith Olbermann, Nanny Pelosi, Hairy Reid, John-John Edwards, Bawney Frank, Sheila Jackson Lee, Ed Shultz,Cynthia McKinney, Jimmah Carter, Dick Gephardt, Max Cleland, Denny Kucinich, Rachel Maddow, Billary Clinton, Al Franken, John Lewis. What do they have in common? All dumb naive secular-communistic September 10th McFly Socialist-Democrat party members.

@Granny
Judging from these posts, you most likely defecate rose petals in jail cells after you’ve been arrested for protesting a rightfully-placed nuclear power plant.

Amen,
Bill

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
10:52 am

Queen Nancy….. our revered House minority leader. That evil 1%. How can she tolerate them? With a net worth of over 58M and climbing…. one of the biggest hypocrites in the political game. I have stayed in the hotel she is occupying in Hawaii. Nice digs. Not something that the “average liberal voter” could quite afford, but what the hell. Even has run up a 34K bill for local protection, paid for by Hawaii taxpayers, while on the Big Island, just to tour the sites and say hello to the little people. Just warms your old heart, don’t it.

carlosgvv

December 28th, 2011
10:53 am

Adam – 9:27

Are you saying the media has sold out it’s principles for money? Gasp!! Say it ain’t so Joe!!!!!

A dad

December 28th, 2011
10:54 am

josef: re your 9:55, got a cite for that (aka Granny Gomer – the “hootie hoot” reminded me of Gomer Pyle, ergo the name change). And re the dam inspections, reminds me of “noodling” for catfish. Can any true Southerner enlighten me as to how that practice came to be? Must’ve involved a whole lotta shine and then some….

Adam

December 28th, 2011
10:54 am

Stevie Ray: The problem definitely exists. Here is the progression:

Step 1) Introduce a study that attempts to determine the causes of a warming overall climate and greenhouse effects. Get shot down when the result is that CO2 causes said effects.

Step 2) Finally get agreement that CO2 causes these effects, then get shot down when it is suggested man has anything AT ALL to do with it.

Step 3) Finally get agreement that man has SOMETHING to do with it, but get shot down when it is suggested that the man-made cause is much more than negligible. Get shot down with stupid arguments like “it’s not really ‘man made’” or “There’s nothing we can do about it!”

Step 4) Finally get agreement that man is a major cause, get shot down when anything at all is suggested to fix it.

Step 5) Finally get agreement that we should fix it, quibble over the details while the earth burns.

You seem to be at Step 3. Try to keep up.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
10:55 am

kayaker: That evil 1%

Proof, once again, that only conservatives label the 1% or rich people as “evil.”

josef

December 28th, 2011
10:57 am

St Simon’s

There’s a lot here, so scroll around…

http://www.cherokeediscovery.com/

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
10:58 am

BOW

I think the only rightly placed nuke plants are right next to state capital buildings with an office wing for our government officials.

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:00 am

A Dad

Noodlin’ is an inheritance from our Indian past…

Bill
Still reelin’ ‘em in for Jesus, ‘ere ye? :-)

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:01 am

First and foremost I think the guy who owned and authorized the paint company dumping chemicals into the watershed needs a healthy asswhupping. We need to just start throwing people that do crap like that in jail. A 1 million dollar fine seems ridiculously light also.

One thing that’s always bothered me is why we don’t start throwing white collar criminals in jail. If you steal a candy bar at Walmark you go to jail. If you can’t account for 1.2 billion missing dollars or if you ruin a watershed you don’t go to jail. Doesn’t seem right. And ruining that watershed is a form of grand theft. You’re stealing from the plants and animals that we are entrusted to be good stewards of- particularly the dead fish and you’re stealing from people who enjoy using the rivers and streams for recreation.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
11:02 am

Thulsa Doom @ 11:01

Bravo!

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
11:02 am

Bill Orvis White

I’m not a supporter of any of those you mentioned but I’m certainly not going to confuse the label of “stupid” or “dumb” on any soley due to them not agreeing with my politics.

ADAM,

I don’t disagree but I don’t think its prudent to rush to judgement on this issue until we can rule out, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that these are not natural cycles. Good news is that it looks like credible scientists from both sides are starting to play nice in the sandbox so perhaps some of these doubts may get sorted out…you can’t argue that Climate Science as a science is relatively new and has predicted very little of consequence in it’s current infancy…

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:03 am

sweetjeebus, Thulsa … we agree on something …

glad I was sitting down …

GT

December 28th, 2011
11:04 am

Stevie Ray the problem with the GOP debating science is they don’t believe in it, as if it were some kind of Mormon religion where the choice is theirs. When they take the time, they are usually like most are doing now, looking for an excuse for their conclusion, instead of having an open mind. This is how FOX News was developed. No reality will change the conclusion. Soap operas and wrestling depend on the same formula. So do politicians like Newt.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:04 am

USinUK @ 1103a: That’s pretty much what I was thinking too…

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:04 am

Proof, once again, that only conservatives label the 1% or rich people as “evil.”- Adam

Adam,

I don’t know how but somehow you did manage to miss all those OWS protestors making speeches about the “evil” 1% and how that evil 1% meeded to be eaten, thrown in jail, stripped of their wealth, etc. Missed that did ya?

bluecoat

December 28th, 2011
11:05 am

ORIFICE I think Nanny pelosi was your surrogate mother and fed you naturally.(bf)Also your are pissed because you are forced to reclaim your waste product.You bitch about leaving our children debt,but want to leave them a polluted world.You want our country to become more red,the world to become more red,like the red planet.Sometimes I think you may be an alien,but not hispanic,outer space.Maybe just outer.Never see a R you don’t love.Talk to woodrow,listen to him,you need help.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:06 am

kayaker – did you hear the point as it went whistling by you???

as one of the wealthier members of the house, at least she’s willing to tax HERSELF … as opposed to the GOP who want the “little people” to carry the burden …

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:06 am

Yes, Thulsa, I missed the massive amount of speeches and mentions of the word “evil” in those speeches. Don’t suppose you have a link? The fake anti-Semites don’t count.

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
11:07 am

ADAM,

I’m trying to keep up and not put my political leanings in front of conclusions that are not supported by credible, accurate as opposed to conjectured, input. Why don’t you do the scientific thing which is suspiciously missing on the left side…that is to do everything in your power to disprove your own conclusions…if you can’t, then you got something. That’s how science works…take your feelings and predictable political leanings out of the equation…read conclusions of the opposite opinion of yours….

Sinoman

December 28th, 2011
11:07 am

Don’t punish the workers by levying a fine. Prosecute the head honcho(s). Put them in prison.

Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers – and a voice calling her Mummy.

But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.
Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet.

Desperate measures: Toni Vernelli was steralised at age 27 to reduce her carbon footprint

Incredibly, so determined was she that the terrible “mistake” of pregnancy should never happen again, that she begged the doctor who performed the abortion to sterilise her at the same time.

WHACKOS!

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:10 am

Stevie Ray: that is to do everything in your power to disprove your own conclusions…if you can’t, then you got something. That’s how science works…take your feelings and predictable political leanings out of the equation…read conclusions of the opposite opinion of yours….

Contrary to what you may think, I do read opposing opinion. But reading opposing opinion is a far cry from being scientific. I leave the rigorous scientific testing and attempts at disproving to the people who do it for a living. What is surprisingly missing from the Climate Change denier side is any real science at all. I only see opinion and half-baked “disproofs” that don’t stand up to peer review at all.

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
11:10 am

GT,

Yes the right wing-nuts of religious (superhero) persuation scare the heck out of me and I don’t trust anyone who pushes that Christian thingy into politics. However your statement is too general as most of the population who takes time to think about each issue (small number admittedly) are actually like me and are in the middle….Not all folks leaning right on some issues can be painted by your roller brush..

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:10 am

Obama/Liar

So, the Bruin is in the pay of Soros? Does that make him a member of the International Zionist Nazi Jew Bankers? :-)

Matti's Grasp of Reality

December 28th, 2011
11:11 am

Granny: I think the only rightly placed nuke plants are right next to state capital buildings with an office wing for our government officials.

Great idea!! Bonus: make THEM drive to East Bumfrig to the office everyday, and ease traffic somewhat for people who actually work for a living.

Thulsa @ 11:01,

I agree. So why do think the people of Georgia keep voting for corrupt money-grubbers who protect polluters instead of those who would prosecute them to a more effective extent? Why do they keep vilifying environmentalists and conservationists?

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
11:13 am

ADAM,

Read deeper…I’m sure we will fight many other days on this topic but I gotta take off…

Last query, are you 100% certain that man is the culprit for your current alleged crisis? Folks who want more solid connection between man and the alledged crisis are not lesser in intellect, just cynical to a reasonable doubt…most of us anyhow.

Anyhow, good to spar with you and catch you next time around..

GT

December 28th, 2011
11:13 am

Stevie Ray since the right does not believe in science they become the other side of a scientific equation. The left inspired by no political motivation sees the result of the world warming and points it out. The right inspired by no scientific knowledge declares the left wrong solely because of political motivation.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:13 am

Sinoman … :lol:

quoting the Daily Mail???

oh, yeah … THAT’S a credible source …

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
11:15 am

One thing that’s always bothered me is why we don’t start throwing white collar criminals in jail. If you steal a candy bar at Walmark you go to jail. If you can’t account for 1.2 billion missing dollars or if you ruin a watershed you don’t go to jail. Doesn’t seem right.

When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase. ;)

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:16 am

Stevei Ray: Last query, are you 100% certain that man is the culprit for your current alleged crisis?

A culprit, yes. A major one. But not the only cause. However, it is the only cause we can control, and the effect is way more than negligible.

I do find it difficult to understand how, with the data of how much CO2 there is in the air, and the agreement that this is, in fact, a greenhouse gas, and that man is adding lots of it to the atmosphere, that one does not understand that a reduction of our CO2 output is a GOOD thing. The only reason I can see NOT to do something about that is special interests and money.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:16 am

Granny and USinUK,

I’m not that far left on green issues. I just think that on issues such as Deal’s panel we need to have some more diversity of opinion. Believe it or not I don’t trust a band of developers and real estate interests making decisions without the input of everyday, fair minded citizens. I don’t trust professional environmentalists either who don’t have a regular day job. The developers want to develop everything and anything with reckless disregard and the professional greens want to stop any and all development for no other reason than to stop it. I think we just have to have a happy median here with the input of everyday people who like to hunt, fish, camp, backpack, and hike is taken into account. Clearly on Deal’s panel this is not the case. As for the paint company owner I’m sure I’m not the only con who would probably like to smack the owner around a bit. At least I hope I’m not.

Paulo977

December 28th, 2011
11:17 am

the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.
____________________________

Do we care?

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
11:18 am

USinUK,

“Willing to tax herself”…… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH That’s almost as funny as Bookman’s thread today. With our tax code, these people of money have in inside track to what is shoved into their jeans, just like all the rest of the 1% in this country. Most of her income is probably from long term capital gains, just like Warren Buffet, and taxed at 15% rather than 35%. I am surprised that you would defend the old War Horse. And BTW, her suite at the Four Seasons is only costing 10K/night. All in all, with plane fare and all, plus her entourage, it should cost about as much as Bozo’s digs in Kailua….. a cool 4M. Ah, but these overworked, over stressed politicos need their rest, now don’t they?

Peter

December 28th, 2011
11:18 am

Bill Orvis White… The Devil is your friend, and any folks who care more about money then folks in general. Government is here to stop folks like you, who would prey off the less fortunate.

Real Scootter

December 28th, 2011
11:19 am

When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase.

Sad,but true.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
11:20 am

Thulsa

I’m with you on the developers….

Passed another pasture yesterday that’s being subdivided into single family lots and wonder who the hell is going to buy those houses?

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:20 am

“When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase.”

Brocephus,

Well Bro I think that about sums it all up. True dat.

getalife

December 28th, 2011
11:20 am

Jay,

Since you are flush with Soros cash, I think bloggers should be compensated like celebrities with twitter.

Let’s say a grand per post?

A dad

December 28th, 2011
11:21 am

Stevie Ray – won’t work (re trying to disprove one’s own side). I tried to get people to research things for themselves yesterday and got reviled and scorned. Funny thing though. Some of my best college and grad school proofs never answered our questions with anything other than a question. They made us go out and find our own answers. It was learning at it’s best.
BTW. all you serial repeat bloggers, don’t you have jobs?
Josef, Thulsa, td, Adam, Bro, US, GGomer, been fun. Gotta run.

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:22 am

Brosephus

“When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase.”

And the dollar just don’t buy as much as it used to…

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 28th, 2011
11:23 am

you got it, noodlin’ is injun for “too hungry to waste time
building a fishing pole”, although noodlin for sharks caused us
to rethink that position

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:23 am

kayaker – “And BTW, her suite at the Four Seasons is only costing 10K/night. All in all, with plane fare and all, plus her entourage, it should cost about as much as Bozo’s digs in Kailua….. a cool 4M. Ah, but these overworked, over stressed politicos need their rest, now don’t they?”

considering she’s paying for it and it supports the local economy (as well as the national economy), good for her! Me, all I can afford is the occasional high tea or cocktail at the Four Seasons.

as far as her wealth, she and her hub own property as well as stocks –

again, she is willing to stump up and pay .. which is more than can be said for the GOP

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:24 am

getalife

“Let’s say a grand per post?”

Let’s go for 10 cents a word… some of us could use the cash…

getalife

December 28th, 2011
11:26 am

“Let’s go for 10 cents a word… some of us could use the cash…”

Nah, doomy is already long in the tooth.

How about a hundred a post because a dad is wondering where are the jobs?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:27 am

A dad: BTW. all you serial repeat bloggers, don’t you have jobs?

Yes. I’m doing it now. There’s this thing called “multi-tasking” and the concept that I am allowed to do this at the same time as other work so long as it doesn’t affect my performance.

Not that you REALLY needed to know any of that, but since you are a step away from signing up with the “lives in mom’s basement collecting Soros checks and welfare and food stamps” crowd, I figured I would say this, AGAIN.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:28 am

“So why do think the people of Georgia keep voting for corrupt money-grubbers who protect polluters instead of those who would prosecute them to a more effective extent?”- Matti

Matti,

Heck we really don’t have much of a choice. Look at last election. Both Deal and Barnes are crooks. Deal looks like he’s owned by various business interests and Barnes is owned by trial lawyers. And both parties are owned by various business interests.

“Why do they keep vilifying environmentalists and conservationists”?- Matti

In this case I think Deal is obviously wrong to not include a single person to counter the developer and real estate interests. But I would be wary also of people who are professional environmentalists who don’t have a regular day job. As a college student I worked with one environmentalist group in fundraising. Biggest bunch of crooks I ever saw. I prefer the opinions of everyday citizens who live and use the local streams and rivers over professional agitators. This guy obviously would have been a great panelist and from what I’ve seen the people who give a damn the most are typically hunters,fisherman, kayakers, hikers, people that actually have a stake in things.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
11:28 am

Serial blogging IS a job. :)

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
11:29 am

I see Art Laffer is endorsing Newt.

Excuse my giggle.

GT

December 28th, 2011
11:29 am

Stevie Ray one last thought, the middle like the sides are mixed with left and right. I believe the right has a tenancy to be more predictable in their answers, more locked stepped if you will. I am in the middle and not a liberal, have voted for both parties. If I paint the right with a board bush it is the nature of the right. There is no question given them that most of us do not know their answer before the question is asked. They pride themselves in this and it may cost Mitt an election because he thinks instead of is a robot. Out of the many candidates he is the only one with a different view.

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
11:29 am

USinUK,

If Queen Nancy just spent her money and kept her mouth shut…. but no, she has to rail on and on about those evil monied folks who are not “paying their fair share”….. throwing her support to those OWS protestors who probably never competed in a sports even where someone kept score….. your chief advocate for the little people. If you don’t see the hypocrisy in all of this, you just are not listening.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
11:30 am

St Simons @ 11:23

:lol: :lol: :lol:

josef

That’s where the insider stock tips come into play.

getalife

December 28th, 2011
11:30 am

Soros has billions and he pays Jay so we want our cut Jay.

It would make a dad feel better about us having jobs.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:31 am

Still waiting on that link or some other proof aside from assertion that OWS called the rich “evil” multiple times in multiple speeches.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:33 am

“If Queen Nancy just spent her money and kept her mouth shut”

like all wimmen should … :roll:

as far as supporting Occupy Wall Street, here is her quote: “”I support the message to the establishment, whether it’s Wall Street or the political establishment and the rest, that change has to happen,” said Pelosi in an exclusive interview with ABC News “This Week” anchor Christiane Amanpour. “We cannot continue in a way this is not relevant to their lives.” ”

now, unless you can use your super-powers of nuttiness to see where she called rich people “evil”, no, I don’t see any hypocrisy here.

as far as never competing in sports events where someone kept score … dude … really??? that’s all you got???

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:34 am

Serial repeat blogger…I like that one!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:35 am

“BTW. all you serial repeat bloggers, don’t you have jobs?”

let’s see … today I’ve submitted 2 POs, written one proposal, edited one document and am working on another right now …

I’m getting paid for it …

sounds an awful lot like a job to me …

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:37 am

USinUK: You mean you’re not a mindless robot that cuts yourself off from the entire world to cocoon in a cubicle for exactly the amount of hours per day your company wants you to work? You don’t surrender your phone and any other devices at the door? OH THE HUMANITY.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:37 am

“I missed the massive amount of speeches and mentions of the word “evil” in those speeches. Don’t suppose you have a link? The fake anti-Semites don’t count”- Adam

Adam,

You’re right. I’m certain the protesters were calling the 1% the righteous 1%. “Fake anti-semites?”. Oh. Otay. So now you are the arbiter of the difference between legitimate, real anti-semitic speech and the “fake anti-semites”. So glad to know we have an expert like you to make the fine distinction between real and fake anti-semitic rantings. Sometimes I think you can singlehandedly redefine crazy all by yourself.

Real Scootter

December 28th, 2011
11:38 am

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:31 am

WARNING! You may not want to hold your breath on that one.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:39 am

“BTW. all you serial repeat bloggers, don’t you have jobs?”

I admit it. I’m taking off until the new year and gonna be a serial repeat blogger- not to mention the bane of the existence of some of the liberals.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
11:39 am

You start with a Liar in Deal….. Not fully reporting his finances before the election, and we get a thief of Georgia in the end.

Please remember this guy was Broke before becoming Governor, his goal will be to use the office to get his finances back on track, and increase his wealth like Sonny Perdue did.

The dumbing down of the education system in Georgia, has its rewards.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:39 am

“You don’t surrender your phone and any other devices at the door? OH THE HUMANITY.”

right now I would just to swap them for a space heater … it’s frickin COLD in the office today!!!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:41 am

“I’m taking off until the new year”

I thought about doing that, but the mister is in the middle of a big project and has to work, so I thought I might as well, too …

plus, when it’s this cold and yucky out, it’s not like I’m going to spend the day faffing around in the garden – I might as well be in the office …

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
11:43 am

I admit it. I’m taking off until the new year and gonna be a serial repeat blogger- not to mention the bane of the existence of some of the liberals.

You lollygagger!!!!!!!!

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:44 am

A Dad…

Don’t we have jobs? Sounds like bum envy to me!

But, yes, I do have a job…several in fact…it’s just that all but one of them lock me into the screen of the brave new world and, being a schizophrenic gemini, I’m a good multi tasker!

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
11:45 am

OK, done with this. Time to go make the heart sweat. US in UK…. if the evil Koch brothers were at the Four Seasons spending money like Queen Nancy, they would be reviled and demonized as examples of the maniacal rich by most people like you. And BTW, Queen Nancy and her husband have enjoyed a whopping 62% rise in their net worth since Bozo took office. Not something usually done in the “greatest economical downturn since the Great Depression”. Looks like they have little to complain about.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:45 am

“You lollygagger!!!!!!!!”

could be worse …

he could be a damned OTTER SCRUBBER!

Adam

December 28th, 2011
11:47 am

kayaker: if the evil Koch brothers

Somewhere in the world, a Freud follower gets his wings….

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
11:48 am

USinUK: what is the temperature there. And, is it raining?

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:48 am

Peter,

“The dumbing down of the education system in Georgia, has its rewards”

Whoah, there, Bubba, we can only work with the product we’re sent, and you must have one of those Georgia dumbed down educations…BOW keeps playing you like a marionette…silly boy…

Jack

December 28th, 2011
11:48 am

We need resevoirs. We’ll never get them if it’s left up to the tree huggers.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
11:49 am

he could be a damned OTTER SCRUBBER!

Yeah, but then he’d have to join the union, and I think Doom’s one of the anti-union dudes.

Titleist101

December 28th, 2011
11:49 am

Going green has never worked, will never work and is a complete waste of time. Capital flows follow rates of return in a capitalist society. Doesn’t matter whether you are liberal or conservative, if it makes economic sense, it will be embraced. If environmental concerns dominate, we will end up like Europe……..nuff said.

Butch Cassidy

December 28th, 2011
11:50 am

What’s up with kayaker 71 and the “wealth envy”? Shouldn’t he be busy pulling himself up by his bootstraps and taking responsibility for his “poor choices” while he works on starting a business? :)

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:51 am

“And BTW, Queen Nancy and her husband have enjoyed a whopping 62% rise in their net worth since Bozo took office. Not something usually done in the “greatest economical downturn since the Great Depression”. Looks like they have little to complain about.”

it’s called the stock market. And Boehner did mighty well, too (something around 50%, if I remember correctly)

if you HAVEN’T made money in the market (prior to the Euro nuttiness) then, you really need to get another financial advisor

(even WITH the Euro nuttiness, the dow is still up 2000 pts since the beginning of 2010)

http://yhoo.it/vSICWd

as far as the koh brothers, I really don’t care HOW or WHERE they spend their money – as long as it isn’t involved in influencing government. they went to blow it all on red at their local casino or buy $5K jeraboams of champagne, have a ball. I draw the line at buying governors, though.

call me a purist for democracy …

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:53 am

Sooth – well, we saw a little sun today, but it’s supposed to start raining on Friday right through the weekend … now, it’s just damp and a chilly 45

josef

December 28th, 2011
11:54 am

St Simon’s

Noodlin…Unmentionable says too much work, what you think that Big Fish is there for…thank you, u-ne-ga, for the Atlanta Fish Market…beats the hell outta beads and blankets…

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:54 am

Butch – 11:50 – it’s not WEALTH envy – it’s called misogyny …

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
11:54 am

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
11:55 am

Brocephus,

I was just thinking of the jackass in charge of the painting company poisoning the stream. Instead of the asswhupping I recommended that he get I think a more apt punishment would be to capture a black bear that drinks from the stream he poisoned and put the CEO in a cage match with the bear. That or a pack of rabid coyotes. Or honey badget. We know honey badger don’t give a shiite.

getalife

December 28th, 2011
11:56 am

Yes, I want this blog to be corrupt too.

Bribe us with that evil Soros money Jay.

F. Sinkwich

December 28th, 2011
11:57 am

“If environmental concerns dominate, we will end up like Europe…….”

That is the eco-weenie objective. They use “environmental concerns” as a smokescreen hiding their anti-capitalist intentions.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:57 am

“Or honey badget. We know honey badger don’t give a shiite.”

dammit, Thulsa, that made me snort.

Sinoman

December 28th, 2011
11:57 am

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
11:57 am

Peter

December 28th, 2011
11:58 am

josef. Sorry I got a wonderful education in an area of the country that believes education is important.

George Bush must be your hero.he started two unfunded wars, and let wall street walk all over Americans, and did zero for the American Infrastructure….. You go Republican’s show us how to create BIG GOVERNMENT !

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
11:58 am

Did someone suggest that a new blog subject was needed here?

Absolutely! Ever since the robots’ rote revelry first resounded routinely..

But possible new sheets approaching: NEWT STEALS peppermints! CIA INVESTIGATES theft from restaurant bowl! AJC suggests major LARCENY!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
11:58 am

Sinoman – so what?

seriously – so flipping what? no one MADE her make that decision – it’s just as much her choice as it is the Duggars to over populate.

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
11:59 am

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:00 pm

Yes, lets continue filling our oceans with oil spills, our rivers with chemicals and our land with pollution.

It’s only our home planet and they find another one for the wealthy to live on.

Suicidal maniacs.

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:02 pm

That post alone is worth a hundred of Soros money.

Give it up Jay.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:02 pm

BETHLEHEM, West Bank (AP) — The annual cleaning of one of Christianity’s holiest churches deteriorated into a brawl between rival clergy Wednesday, as dozens of monks feuding over sacred space at the Church of the Nativity battled each other with brooms until police intervened.

Must be Right wing crazies ! Really this is what Religion is all about isn’t it…. Just another tool, because even the holiest don’t have a clue, and apparently have learned nothing by the man made holy book.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:02 pm

Peter

And which section would that be?

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
12:04 pm

On Dec. 4, a pollution monitor operated by the U.S. embassy in Beijing measured “beyond index” (which maxes at 500 PM2.5).

What you are seeing in this photo is NOT FOG. It is air pollution from coal-fired generating plants.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:04 pm

Sooth,

China and Asia in general are a couple of generations behind us not just in scrubber technology for cleaning emissions but also just in giving a damn about environmental damage.

BTW that reminds me of a little health tip I saw in the local news one evening. Many of the farm raised sea life that comes from Asia-China, Vietnam, Indonesia, etc. is heavily tainted with known carcinogens long banned in the U.S. The Asian farmers lace the stock with these chemicals to produce about a 20% higher yield in farm raised catfish, shrimp, and various other farm raised sea products. Only 1% of these stocks are inspected here in the U.S. and turned away so it makes business sense for them to do the spraying and get the extra yield if only 1% of their product is turned away by the FDA. Now I think that is in Georgia and many other states but if I remember correctly I think Alabama inspects every shipment that comes in. I still wouldn’t take a chance on it though. Its wild fish for me or none at all. And no sea products from Asia.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:05 pm

Peter

FYI that particular brawl has been going on for nearly 2000 years. Didn’t they teach you nuthin’ in that superior education you got… :-)

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
12:05 pm

Doom

That one made me laugh out loud!!!! There’s nothing worse than lauging out loud when you’re supposed to be all serious and stuff. That said, I like the bear idea the most. I’d pay good money to see that!!

Adam

December 28th, 2011
12:06 pm

They use “environmental concerns” as a smokescreen hiding their anti-capitalist intentions.

THE JIG IS UP!

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:07 pm

josef,

Those protesst against those spitting on the American girl.

Are they the Jewish cons?

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
12:07 pm

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:08 pm

getalife

Not following you, fill me in…

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
12:08 pm

Have we covered catfish or is education on the hook?

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:09 pm

“Must be Right wing crazies ! Really this is what Religion is all about isn’t it….”- Peter

Peter,

They are probably just on edge over much more serious concerns such as bombing campaigns against Christian churches in Nigeria, Iraq, coptic Christians in Egypt. In case you haven’t noticed the servants of that peaceful and tolerant religion of Islam are literally trying to exterminate Christianity in the middle East. But go on writing about broomfights between Christians if it makes ya feel better.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
12:10 pm

Doom

This one came out last month, and it backs your statement quite a bit. I have a friend with connections with GA shrimping, and I avoid imported seafood AND Atlantic seafood.

http://health.yahoo.net/experts/eatthis/5-fish-you-should-throw-back

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:11 pm

josef,

I think they are called ultra orthodox or something like that.

Anyhoo, they have been cursing and spitting on a American girl going to school and they had a protest against them.

I don’t follow their politics and don’t know much about it.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:11 pm

DUSTY

Don’t know…I think we may have a White Yankee Supremicist amongst us, though! :-)

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
12:12 pm

Josef,

Don’t follow getalife. They keep the doors locked in that place.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
12:12 pm

Have we covered catfish or is education on the hook?

If it’s domestic, farm-raised catfish, then I think it’s ok for the most part. If it comes from a river or Asia, I wouldn’t eat it unless I wanted to become a member of X-Men.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:12 pm

Sooth,

Air quality in the U.S. in the 40s through the 60s used to look really bad although probably never as bad as China. Go back and look at some pics of the skylines of cities such as ATL, Birmingham, and Pittsburgh from the 60s and you will see huge black clouds of pollution over many industrial cities. The new EPA regulations of the 70s and beyond have made our water and air quality the cleanest its been in decades despite increased economic production.

GT

December 28th, 2011
12:12 pm

kayaker 71 where you miss the boat is thinking the 99 are after the 1% that have money. What is bluntly clear is a good percentage of that 1% have done nothing to deserve that money. They have rigged the game. Crimes go uncontested. A poor minority can go to jail easier for stealing a banana than those in the 1% for stealing millions or just not producing what they are paid to produce kind of the same thing. I was reading the other day a argument on why the economy is not in inflation with the printing of so much money. The answer from the right was that circulation of this new money is so slow it does not allow the laws of economics to take effect. And why is the circulation so slow? Because the rich have taken it out of play like a private central bank. Laws of economics do not work when new components are introduced into the theories. Up to a decade or so ago this private reservoir of money didn’t exist.

If Steve Jobs were still alive you would find he as a creative and talented person would be by nature pouring his money back into the economy with fresh and productive ideas. You will find the Madoffs of the world who have no productivity have a tenancy to sit on their money which humorously makes laundering it much more efficient. The world Madoff served were widows and retired people of little productivity demanding a return ,and as evidence showed, had little knowledge of where their money went. This is where unearned bonuses come from, not far from the structure of Madoff. Eventually if the economy is working right someone is punished for none productivity. In this case it is the 99%. The 1% hoard it cash because it is afraid of the schemers, the overvalued stocks, and since they have no ability on their own to create. They keep it from the real economic machine of this country the middle class, we all suffer. Taxing the rich at least puts some of this money back into circulation. The way it is now a rich family is better off putting the money in a cave and never coming out of that cave in a lifetime. These are relative new conditions and certainly are not designed for the conservative antiqued thinking of the populist movement.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:13 pm

Thulsa Doom. gee I guess if there was any respect shown to the birthplace of Jesus, I would believe religion had real meaning.

But religion does have meaning, of course it depends on what you use it for.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:13 pm

getalife

Gotcha! Jewish fruitcakes, they! They have mobilized the Isreli masses, though…would that Christians and Muslims would join them and the Kurds in saying “you’re giving us a bad name!”

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:15 pm

Dusty,

Kyle Wingnut’s blog still on lock down?

Give us some more of that good ole Dusty patriotism.

I am just trying to get some of that Soros bribe money.

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:16 pm

“Jewish fruitcakes, they!”

So they are their cons.

Thanks.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:19 pm

getalife

Oh, no, that lot makes the cons look sane…! Even the Orthodox have come out swinging on this one…

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:19 pm

FYI, we still don’t eat the seafood from the Gulf.

Just sayin.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:19 pm

“Because the rich have taken it out of play like a private central bank”

No. That’s not why inflation has not reared its ugly head. The rich have constantly taken money and parked it on the sidelines whether in munis, CDs, or just parking it in money market funds. It may have been taken out of M1 money supply but generally stays in M2 or M3 money supply. The laws of economics still apply. And the rich have taken money out of M1 circulation plenty of times in history. We can go all the way back to the 1920s to see this.

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
12:19 pm

A White Yankee Supremicist amongst us??? Call the Health Department! Contagion possible!!! Get out the yellow ribbons and isolate that sicko!

0311/1811

December 28th, 2011
12:19 pm

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:22 pm

josef,

More radical than our cons?

Do they think they are the “real Israelis” and want to “get their country back”?

0311/1811

December 28th, 2011
12:23 pm

“THE YEAR OF THE RECALL”

“150+ Recall Elections… 17 States… 84 Officials Ousted”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

People are fed up ……………. just wait til November.

Soothsayer

December 28th, 2011
12:23 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:23 pm

Peter,

Out of the various wars and blood that has been shed in the history of mankind over religion you choose to focus on a broomfight between some Christians and use it to put in a political rant about right wing crazies? I’m just saying if you want to rant about religious zealots and craziness your time would be better spent focusing on the recent Muslim bombings against Christian churches on Christmas day in Nigeria. Or the extermination of coptic Christians in Egypt perhaps or Christians in Iraq.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
12:23 pm

Thulsa – “No. That’s not why inflation has not reared its ugly head”

my god … this is thing #2 we agree on …

Brocephus, hold me … I’m afraid!

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

Good boy getalife,

Kyle is still on vacation.

Glad you reminded me: ” God bless America, land that I love. Stand beside me and.”.

Sing it, getalife!…..

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

Brocephus, hold me … I’m afraid!

:twisted:

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

If Nathan Deal had to eat the stuff in Lake Lanier or in the Ogeechee River, I can guarantee you those waters would be the cleanest around. However, I have it on good authority that his fresh food is of the highest quality. It’s a luxury that the 1 percenters can well afford (even if it’s the 99 percenters picking up the tab). As for what your kids get fed in school, well, some things are better left untold.

0311/1811

December 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

“Iran threatens to close Hormuz strait”

Fine …………. we’ll just “close Iran”.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:24 pm

getalife,

You’re fine eating seafood from the gulf. Have at it.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:26 pm

USinUK,

Our agreements probably won’t last for long. But in the meantime just make sure you’re sitting down and don’t have a gulp of soda or coffee in your mouth when you read a Doomy post.

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:27 pm

doomy,

What is wrong with you?

You are not talking in con speak or con talking points if you will.

Are you chasing that Soros money too?

Lets demand this blog be corrupt too.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:27 pm

Scout

In relation to the first link (the second one? Not sure what you meant there), I’ve been following this one. Theirs is an Orthodox response and 1) is at odds with the Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist interpretations, and 2) is in reaction to recent moves by the Orthodox themselves to reevaluation the stance. Theirs is a minority viewpoint within the religious Jewish community and, while I disagree with them, is nonetheless within their purview as interpreters of the more conservative elements.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:27 pm

Thulsa Doom . I agree Religion is all about a using it for your special purpose, and since there are so many religions, each group uses it for their own gain.

Example…… George Bush used it to attack Iraq.

Folks like Bill Orvis White, use it to put down the less fortunate, and to push a right wing agenda.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
12:28 pm

Thulsa – 12:26 – heehee … I’ll enjoy the detente for the time being :-)

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
12:29 pm

Did someone say FRUITCAKE? Now I’m desperate. Would someone please call Claxton and tell them to start shipping ! Someone came in the night and ate all of mine.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:29 pm

getalife

“Do they think they are the “real Israelis” and want to “get their country back”?”

No. They are opposed to the concept of the Israeli state. They, do, though, think they are the “real” Jews and it is their perogative and theirs alone to define what that is. They are our Taliban…

Real Scootter

December 28th, 2011
12:29 pm

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:19 pm

Nothing wrong with Gulf food and I’ve had plenty of it with no ill effects. You sir need to help the economy down ther and eat the food dude.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:32 pm

Brocephus,

thanks for the link. I hope everyone reads it. I had been eating the albacore tuna anyway but I had forgotten about the high level of mercury in tuna and besides that I thought it was more in Pacific tuna than Atlantic tuna. Tuna is being dangerously overharvested. I’ll read the rest of that link shortly but in addition to tuna I think there are a few other fish- swordfish I know is one, that have high levels of mercury in their fatty tissues.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:32 pm

PETER

“Folks like Bill Orvis White, use it to put down the less fortunate, and to push a right wing agenda”

And there’s that superior education of yours….you’ve been had, big time. He just keeps rollin’ you in…and, yeah, I’ll admit, he had me, too until I went and read his blog…He’s good at his shtick, no doubt about it…

Willy Shakespeare

December 28th, 2011
12:33 pm

And should this really surprise anyone in our great state of corruption and prostration to the developer, land speculator, and cronies?

0311/1811

December 28th, 2011
12:33 pm

josef:

Thank you.

As to the second one ………… that Pediatrician organization is calling on schools to stay out of the orientation of their students as this can be a confusing time in their lives requiring “expert” help and not that of a teacher or counselor who may be biased.

GT

December 28th, 2011
12:34 pm

Thulsa Doom there has never been in the history of this country so much unused capital. Interest rates of savings is almost zero. The protection of principle is more important in these times than a return. Rockefeller sits with one billion inflated dollars in his safe instead of 200 million in real value, but what does it matter if he is not spending it. There is an oasis in the 1% with too much and the world around them is a desert. If this oasis was filled with Steve Jobs types the oasis would grow, but in reality it is filled with Wall Street types that are dug in and content. We have rewarded superficiality in our system which has taken this money and hoarded it. Find that happening in the 20s? Yes, and in the 30s there was a depression. This time the government artificially stop the depression and these non producers are rewarded. The cards are not reshuffled the system is shot. Tax the undeserving winners and you start to recycle the money to productive hands.

RB from Gwinnett

December 28th, 2011
12:34 pm

TD “your time would be better spent focusing on the recent Muslim bombings against Christian churches on Christmas day in Nigeria. Or the extermination of coptic Christians in Egypt perhaps or Christians in Iraq”

That would require liberals to admit that Islam isn’t the peaceful religion they all want us to believe they are and there is no way in hell they’re ever going to do that.

I’ll bet being in the prayer mat business in this country in 30 years will be quite profitable. Just like it is all over Europe where their idiot liberals have coddled the Muslims as being welcome members of a peaceful religion. They’re really “tolerant” of others and their chosen religions too, aren’t they libs?

I guess the muslims in Iraq are bombing now because of Obama’s bad foreign policies, eh?

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
12:36 pm

And where do those heavy metals in the fish come from, you ask. Well, de regulations. Where else. That is one thing that can be removed from those coal-fired plant’s smoke stacks but it does cost money and every penny spent on caring for this planet and our health is a penny out of the pocket of a job creator.

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:36 pm

josef,

If they are against the Israeli State, where do they want to live?

Scooter,

We talk to the fisherman and they said eat crawfish.

I trust them over a corrupt government.

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
12:37 pm

Ding dong, the witch is here.

The latest “Bushism” to bubble from the liberal pot.

“George Bush used it (religion) to attack Iraq.”

Thank you, Peter, for your loony liberosity.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:38 pm

Peter,

I hadn’t heard that W used religion to invade Iraq. I thought it was all about the oil! Just messin with ya. I’m largely in agreement with you on the religious stuff. And it is a shame for them to get into a fight in the middle of the church. Quite a shame.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:38 pm

josef .Religion IS the TOOL of Bill Orvis White.. that is what his blog is all about….. not saying I buy a word he writes, but Religion IS the main theme to get his agenda across with.

Amen. HA HA HA !

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:39 pm

Dusty,

You know God told w to occupy Iraq.

A dad

December 28th, 2011
12:40 pm

Adam – and we were playing so nicely together. Actually, I am employed full-time and make a very nice salary with a nice bonus. One of the expected perks of having graduate degrees. It;s just rightnow, wrapping up the year’s work, it’s crazy insane and then some. Now, behave. And notice I am adhering to my campaign pledge (as of last night) to not insult the opposition. So there. Pbfftt!
And with that, if you haven’t noticed, I break away frequently to blog, i.e., the mental pause that refreshes.

Kamchak

December 28th, 2011
12:40 pm

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:41 pm

getalife

Their reasons for being there are sectarian and their motives are to create a fundamentalist regime in the territory…

RB

Don’t forget though that the Kurdish citizens did march in and close down the offices and destroy the presses of the political party preaching that doctrine you cite…they took a stand, now give them credit…(and in the days coming, support, they’re going to need it if they are to prevail)

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:42 pm

Thulsa Doom.. I come from a Christian back ground, and to see the in fighting in the Church, the awful behavior of the priests, the allowing of the cover ups, also way religion has been used for certain “agendas”.. is really sad.

But yet it was created to control the masses of folks out there in the dark ages.

Remember if your priest said it it must be true… Kind of like Bin Laden and Saddam were working together.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:43 pm

Dusty.. History girl will tell you more folks have died in the name of religion, then for any other reason.

Yes that is Loony !

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:44 pm

Peter
He’s satire…and as with any good satirist, he knows the language and themes of his targets of ridicule…and, as I said, he just keeps rolling you in…AND the opposition. It’s just as much fun to watch those on “the other side” chiming in their agreement…

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
12:45 pm

Doom

I’ve seen Atlantic salmon with notices about the food pellets now.

A dad

December 28th, 2011
12:46 pm

Adam – also, I’d probably make and sell crack (ala Breaking Bad) than take a penny from Soros. Either that or sell “green” technology.

Peter @ 12:42. Spot on! Can’t believe the conduct of some “Christians”. Obviously they’ve never read the part in the NT about “judge not lest ye be judged.”

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:47 pm

josef .. call it what you want there…… but Religion IS the TOOL !

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:47 pm

Peter,

Dusty think w did nothing wrong.

The pile of crap he handed our President was the liberals fault in her closed mind.

She was very patriotic with w but not with President Obama.

Part time patriot.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:48 pm

A dad …… sure we can all not judge.. what in the Old Testament makes sense ?

The Thin Guy

December 28th, 2011
12:49 pm

Well the late Christopher Hitchens was an atheist and he was all for the war in Iraq. It’s due to you environmental extremists that it’s illegal to kill a snake in Georgia and the insecticides used to kill termites are ineffective at best. Meanwhile, all is right with the world as the Indonesian Imbecile plays golf

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/12/26/obama-golfs-90th-time-president/

If you ever spot me with a golf club, I’m using it to kill a snake.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:50 pm

The Thin Guy… Nice to see you have no regard for life in general….. Would you be Christian ?

getalife

December 28th, 2011
12:52 pm

a dad,

Breaking bad is making meth not crack.

You fit in nicely with the rest of our cons.

Wrong about everything but will never admit it.

josef

December 28th, 2011
12:52 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:53 pm

Thulsa Doom there has never been in the history of this country so much unused capital- GT

GT is that an opinion or something that you read somewhwere- in other words a proveable point.

“Rockefeller sits with one billion inflated dollars in his safe instead of 200 million in real value, but what does it matter if he is not spending it”. -GT

GT Rockefellers didn’t get to be billionaires by hiding money in a safe or under a mattress. Their money is somewhere. Its sitting in banks, CDs, Tbills, but its sitting somewhere earning interest even if its a paltry 1%. I doubt 200 million in cash is sitting in a vault although I suppose anything is possible.

“This time the government artificially stop the depression and these non producers are rewarded”- GT

That is your opinion and that of many a Keynesian. It is my opinion of the Friedman school that the govt made things worse and prolonged recession. And if you think stimulus works then you need to review Japan’s stimulus efforts. They tried it 10 times and it failed- every time. Hence Japan’s lost decade.

“Tax the undeserving winners and you start to recycle the money to productive hands.”- GT

The undeserving winners? And who determines who is “undeserving”? You and others in an arbitrary and capricious manner? Do the “fairness police” determine who undeserving winners are? And when you say recycle money to productive hands who determines who are productive hands? The govt? Just like they determined that Solyndra was “productive hands”. You’re post seems long on hyperbole,rhetoric, and class warfare but woefully short on real world solutions.

RB from Gwinnett

December 28th, 2011
12:54 pm

Josef “…(and in the days coming, support, they’re going to need it if they are to prevail)”

I think most of their “support” was just packed up and moved out of country.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
12:55 pm

Brosephus eating farm raised fish is no different then anything commercially farm raised. Fillers, chemicals, and stuff that is bad for you in general.

Of course here in Georgia eating fresh fish from the streams and rivers could kill you as well…..Nice to see we are being “protected”.

A dad

December 28th, 2011
12:56 pm

Peter – if referring to such OT stuff the rules in Leviticus (red thread, etc.) and other seemingly nonsensical diatribes, I have been taught, and by my own readings confirmed (at least to my point of view), that with the coming of Christ the old rules no longer matter. It’s accepting a savior that counts. And while there is still some good logic in the original 10, I much prefer Jesus’s teachings and how he admonished people. Pretty good example of living even if he wasn’t the Son. I think we’d be better off if everyone followed his examples, don’t you.

Bill Orvis White

December 28th, 2011
12:57 pm

@Peter
Wrong. I support ideas that give the less fortunate opportunity. Secular-progressive folk like you need to learn that word: it starts with an o and ends in a y.
You and friends like Liberal Jay, Hussein Obama, Nanny Pelosi and Bawney Frank engage in class warfare. Right-thinking, rational, God-fearing Americans ARE THE MAJORITY in this once-free nation! WE NEED REGIME CHANGE NOW! Anything, but Barry Hussein Obama, the most incompetent “president” in this once-free nation’s history. C’mon, look at how this idiot dealt with Brazil, the Chinese, Fast and Furious and his failed economy. Cut taxes, cut regulation and strengthen energy is the key to prosperity – even for the less fortunte!
Amen,
Bill

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:58 pm

But yet it was created to control the masses of folks out there in the dark ages- Peter

Peter,

No doubt. Millions have been killed, enslaved, beaten down, controlled through religion. Organized religion is a man made institution after all. I personally have nothing against religion or deeply religious people who I greatly admire. Monolithic, organized religion I do not trust. Heck I don’t even trust 20,000 member megachurches- especially when the pastors are driving Bentleys and flying Leer jets when people are living in homeless shelters all around them. But that’s just Doomy.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
12:59 pm

Brocephus,

What was that about pellets and atlantic salmon. I didn’t quite understand you.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
1:00 pm

Peter

Not when you’re running your own pond, and you know what you’re feeding them. Country folk do things just a wee bit different than city folk.

RB from Gwinnett

December 28th, 2011
1:00 pm

TD “You’re post seems long on hyperbole,rhetoric, and class warfare but woefully short on real world solutions”

Were you really expecting more from this group of liberals? They never really get any deeper than that.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
1:01 pm

Peter,

I disagree with you about farm raised sea life. My mother will not eat farmed raised Alaskan salmon. The farm raised stocks develop a fungus from being contained unlike live stocks. Additionally if the fungus gets into the wild ocean salmon stocks it could potentially wipe out wild stocks. Gimme my wild fish all day long.

A dad

December 28th, 2011
1:01 pm

getalife – was I talking to you?

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
1:02 pm

Doom

Atlantic salmon is illegal to catch, so any salmon that’s labeled as Atlantic salmon is farm raised. They’re fed pellets that contain pink dye to ensure they have the flesh color that people associate with salmon.

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:03 pm

Scout

In reference to the second link. I’m on the front lines in that one. You have to tred very, very lightly there. I have some real objections to what I see in the “mandated curriculum.” You don’t go countering home teachings willy-nilly, but at the same time you have to be there to answer their questions and to teach them tolerance (I didn’t say “accepatance,” I said “tolerance.”) And that is a two way street.

I try to teach the little ones that they will, ultimately, have to come to their own terms with all this and that they need to listen first and foremost to what their own adults are saying and to think about it.

It’s coming time at school now for the two males on the staff to bring our older boys in for the hygiene lessson…never an easy one!

And as for the bigger questions…well, I’m a Jew. I listen to what they want to know, If it’s biology, I answer from that standpoint. If it’s sociology, I ask them, “well, what do you think?” If they want to know what I think, I tell them, “first ask you parents if I can tell you as a man what I think. If they say yes, then I’ll tell you.” But what’s important is that they feel comfortable talking to me. It gives them the chance to be heard and to put into their words…that’s mostly what they want and need…to be heard and listened to…

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:04 pm

Brosephus… I would grow my own fish if I had the space…….your idea is fantastic, and being self sufficient today is the ONLY way to be !

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
1:05 pm

Kamchak,

You went to all that trouble just to “prove” what a French professor thought Bush said.

Gog and magog is a somewhat common expression picked from the old testament and used to indicate possible serious conflicts Bush indicated that he saw possible conflicts and he was right Conflicts are almost synonymous with the Middle East.

If Bush had used “raising Cain in the Middle East” would you call that religious too?

Bush was indicating how dangerous he thought conditions were in the Middle East. Putting a label on it was not saying it was a religious cause. It was a fairly common descriptive term.

A dad

December 28th, 2011
1:06 pm

Re growing one’s own fish, anyone familiar with hydroponics? Grow fish in a series of tanks in which vrios edible plants are used to filter the water and the fish wastes fertilize the plants. Too bad it’s small scale now, but still you’ve got the issue of what to feed them.

RB from Gwinnett

December 28th, 2011
1:07 pm

BOW – “Cut taxes, cut regulation and strengthen energy is the key to prosperity – even for the less fortunte!”

I disagree. Our less fortunate will continue to be less fortunate for as long as their work ethic continues to earn them less fortunes. The dems you mention are doing absolutely nothing for them to get out of poverty and continuing to lie to them isn’t helping them one bit. They’re addicted to government aid and until they’re willing to admit they have an addiction and do something about it, they’ll never free themselves from that bond.

A dad

December 28th, 2011
1:07 pm

josef – will check your link later. Will I be entertained or simply LMAO?

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:08 pm

Thulsa Doom.. You may have misinterpreted my thoughts……I am only for wild fish as well.

Heck the box of Oysters I shared at Christmas was from Apalachicola. They were fantastic…..

I never eat farm raised fish, unless I get it when out at a restaurant.

Salmon have a natural enemy called a leach….. unfortunately in the areas where Salmon farming occurs, the leaches are in full force, and they are so plentiful, they attach themselves to the smaller wild Salmon, and this is one of the ways the wild Salmon are being killed.

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 28th, 2011
1:09 pm

Well, it’s about time somebody started putting the screws to these environmentalists. You can’t even dump a gallon of used motor oil in the sewer anymore without getting the cops after you.

As for the fish that got killed when that paint co. dumped a few hundred gallons of stuff in the river. you don’t go fishing to catch fish anyway. I mean, fishing is for drinking beer and jawing with people. If a fish happens to bite your bait it’s just a rude way of breaking up a good talk. Show me a guy that goes fishing to catch fish and I’ll how you a guy without a life.

Have a good p.m. everybody.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:12 pm

Please Bill Orvis White.. at least talk on one side of your mouth, and without the forked tongue.

You are the guy saying Bill Clinton was horrible, for messing around on his wife, and at the same time saying Herman Cain is different, and a Christian.

Bill Clinton may have been a jerk to his family, and totally self centered, but is no different then Herman Cain..only mush smarter.

Your agenda is for the Rich Right wingers…. you could care about the environment, unless you could make a buck with it.

Religion is YOUR TOOL……..Amen.

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:13 pm

A Dad

“Will I be entertained or simply LMAO?”

Both. Be sure to read him on DADT! Oh, yeah, and the SCOTUS!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
1:13 pm

Peter

Land is cheap now. :)
Look into getting you a few acres in the country.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:15 pm

A dad . wouldn’t hydroponics be a wonderfully fulfilling business to own ? Perhaps the waste of another type can be used to feed the fish in a natural way ?

I thought about how to create that venture…..maybe someday someone with deep pockets can try it large scale here in Georgia.

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
1:15 pm

getalife,

Get over it. Some people can tolerate a different opinion. You can’t.

My sympathy to you on your solidified state of mind.

Midori

December 28th, 2011
1:15 pm

Josef -

my boyfriend and I got into an argument last night — you’ll never guess about what :)

They BOTH suck

December 28th, 2011
1:16 pm

Dusty

“It was a fairly common descriptive term.”

Please provide links and names of those who used these same terms when they spoke of the war in Iraq………….

Can’t wait to see who these people are….

Thanks

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:16 pm

Brosephus…. Great thought, I have a house project I am currently finishing….. That is a great thought, especially if you have the ability to use a stream, or deep well for the water.

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:17 pm

RB

“I think most of their “support” was just packed up and moved out of country.”

I’m afraid you may be right there. However, they’re no dummies. They’ve had the good sense to keep the goodwill of the Israeli’s…and they’ve proven themselves loyal on more than one occasion…

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:19 pm

midori

I have an idea…but tell me! :-)

A dad

December 28th, 2011
1:19 pm

Peter – I’m kind of nervous. RNC might try his hydroponics with used motor oil as fish food. Actually, I had a small scale hydroponic farm decades ago. Grew fish such as smallmouth bass and some south american species known up here as peacock bass and used various herbs (no, not that kind) as the filtering. Sold the herbs to restaurants (this was back at the beginning of Alice Waters fresh from farm to table movement at Chez Panisse). Unfortunately, outside influences and events beyond my control tanked me (pun semi-intended). Was never able to get beyond small scale to make it profitable. But maybe one day….

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
1:19 pm

my boyfriend and I got into an argument last night — you’ll never guess about what

Football bats???

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:20 pm

RB from Gwinnett.. We used to have after school programs for the less fortunate, help them learn, watch the kids so parents, mostly single parents could have their child watched in a positive way.

The Bush administration cut most of that out, along with the funding to the Boys and Girls Clubs of America….heck we needed more OIL and Wars.

Now the parents in a similar situation don’t have that….kids are roaming the streets at an earlier age, learning other TRADES.

Midori

December 28th, 2011
1:20 pm

using the Lord’s name in vain.

Looks like I have to train him some more :lol:

A dad

December 28th, 2011
1:20 pm

Dusty – you came to my rescue. Thank you. Guess now I’ll really have to start working on being a gentleman. And growing some roses. ;-)

Midori

December 28th, 2011
1:21 pm

Bro — wtf?

what’s this about football bats?

LOL :lol:

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:22 pm

A dad…. Sounds like you need to start a web page to help others who want to do that with the information you gleaned from the experience…..perhaps you could parlay that success into the bigger dream ?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
1:22 pm

A dad: I wasn’t saying YOU lived in your mom’s basement etc etc, I was saying you were one step away from laying that charge against ME. So I told you a little about my work situation. I didn’t need to really know yours nor did I think you were without work :p

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:23 pm

Peter

“RB from Gwinnett.. We used to have after school programs for the less fortunate, help them learn, watch the kids so parents, mostly single parents could have their child watched in a positive way.”

We still do…check with your local school and volunteer…we need all the help we can get…

midori

heh, heh! And I assume he was of the orthodox persuasion? :-)

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
1:23 pm

Midori

I was just taking a guess about what y’all got to arguing about. Seems like football bats would cause an argument in almost any conversation. :)

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:25 pm

A Dad…
Be careful with Miz Dusty…she’ll turn on you in a minute! :-)

Adam

December 28th, 2011
1:26 pm

RB: That would require liberals to admit that Islam isn’t the peaceful religion they all want us to believe they are and there is no way in hell they’re ever going to do that.

That’s because the religion itself is peaceful, and radicals are the problem. Much like people who bomb abortion clinics or shoot abortion doctors in the name of Jesus. I’m sure that makes Christianity, as a whole, “not a peaceful religion,” right?

Our less fortunate will continue to be less fortunate for as long as their work ethic continues to earn them less fortunes.

Or for as long as business owners have this attitude instead of finding out that the common reason for why their employees keep leaving or not showing up for work is something THEY are doing…. And then taking steps to change it once they figure out what the thing is they are doing to drive people away.

Midori

December 28th, 2011
1:27 pm

you guys are a mess!!

off for my walk.

and you guessed correctly Josef :)

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:30 pm

midori

Tell him I’ve got his back!

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:30 pm

Miz Dusty isn’t that bad.. Yes she has her belief system, no different then anyone here !

Plus she may call you loony or something like that…… but never with anger !

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
1:33 pm

They Both Suck,

I don’t keep track of whom said what about the Iraq War etc. on terms of Gog & Magog, Cain, My Lord, Lawdy, Good God…alll of which are religious types of description and exclamation.

Perhaps you are only interested in concocting blame for Bush & Iraq, on a religious basis. Why is that? .Do you think Obama is keeping US troops in Afghanistan for religious reasons? Was that why he permitted the Libya incidents?

I believe our leaders take all the info given them and then make decisions. Too bad some of you have to indict the president you dislike and support blindly the one you like.

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:35 pm

Peter

“…but never with anger !”

Ha! And with malice aforethought! The aforethought being the key lexical entry…

But, hey, I respect and admire anybody who can quote Shakespeare from memory, knows Milton back and forth, and has read and can quote the Bible and not just for her own ends, but for the sheer poetry…she’s got one of them inferior Southern educations… :-)

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
1:36 pm

Shut yo” mouth, JOSEF! I aint never turned on anybody with good sense!!

They BOTH suck

December 28th, 2011
1:36 pm

Dusty

I asked you to provide evidence to a statement you made.

No need to smoke screen and side step what you posted

You do have evidence to back it up…. right?

Thought so….

Good day

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:36 pm

josef…. ha ha ha you really are pushing the point ?

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:38 pm

DUSTY

And, no, i’m not out to pick a fracas with YOU today! It requires aforethought and I’m on vacation!
:-)

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
1:38 pm

LSU – 35

Bama – 9

SoCoBro- Sobbing hysterically. Again.

GT

December 28th, 2011
1:39 pm

Rockefeller is a euphemism for rich not the real Rock, he made his money in the oil business. He made a product.

Never mentioned the word stimulus, just going back to defining this system for winners and losers. We are rewarding losers. The only ones the right sees are the losers at the bottom of the food chain. The problem is not there, they are too easy to define and make easy targets for politicians like Newt, the real trouble is the top, the bus is loaded with pretenders that don’t belong there. The old system would have clean those pretenders out we gave them a pardon undeservingly so.

“U.S. companies are holding more cash in the bank than at any point on record, underscoring persistent worries about financial markets and about the sustainability of the economic recovery.” WSJ Jun 10, 2010, .. you think it has changed?

Nature determines the undeserving. Lehman Brothers was an act of nature. Who determines who survives? Great question that I am sure Lehman is asking. Not that it would have saved them, nor should it had, its seems the ones with political connections were spared, Goldman Sachs alumni making the decisions of who will live and who will die. All the power in the world cannot hold back nature, it will just come out some other place, but the nature of economics is not something to play with. What it has left America is a lot of losers living like winners. Those are the ones in the 1% that will bring us all down, unless we get them first.

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:39 pm

PETER

Yep. Among other things I’m a teacher…I gets real bent out of shape on that one… I take it personally :-)

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
1:45 pm

A DAD

You are beginng to smell like roses.

As Willie Shakespeare said:”He needs no cunning that for truth doth fight!” YES!

Adam

December 28th, 2011
1:47 pm

Haha! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/nikki-haley-south-carolina-phone-greeting_n_1172931.html

Enforced optimism is ALWAYS going to piss off the pessimists, doncha know!

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
1:51 pm

Dusty: Do you think Obama is keeping US troops in Afghanistan for religious reasons? Was that why he permitted the Libya incidents?
I believe our leaders take all the info given them and then make decisions. Too bad some of you have to indict the president you dislike and support blindly the one you like.

My that sounds familiar………….. if only I could remember the person, on this blog, who said if we didn’t support our president we were being unpatriotic. Now of COURSE this was said when Dubya was prez, does that person still feel the same now that Dubya is NOT prez? Hmmmmm not so much.

If only i could rememer who it was that said that………who was it?

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:53 pm

A DAD

Watch her, I’m tellin’ ya….

“And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol’n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil.”

Peter

December 28th, 2011
1:53 pm

josef………What are you taking personally here ? Are you in your own Private Idaho ?

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:55 pm

DDR

Hey, Girl…folks been askin’ ’bout that boa… it’s a relic now… :-)

josef

December 28th, 2011
1:56 pm

Peter

Education….isn’t that the one you intimated I wouldn’t let go? If not, then what I said would make no sense whatsoever, but, then, this is the blog…

josef

December 28th, 2011
2:01 pm

BTW day crew…

Are we to assume that Bosch’s bidness is going well?

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
2:01 pm

Dear Debbie Do Little

ON your lunch break? Perhaps you skipped a line in my post. I repeat: I believe all our leaders take info given them and make decisions..

You think THAT might include Prez Obama? It did. It also included Prez Bush whom you dumped disgust on repeatedly.

Tht is not to say that I agree with all that presidents do. They do make bad decisions sometimes just like everybody. But I still stand by my statement that they draw conclusions from info they receive. Get it?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
2:02 pm

Thulsa: Come up with a clip or an article or ANYTHING that proves OWS calls the rich evil?

Peter

December 28th, 2011
2:03 pm

josef.. OK yes I was……..but hey you were fighting with Dusty as well….. I really thought you should let both go !

I have a buddy who graduated with a Masters in Teaching from Rutgers… he went into the Army and became a Major….after his 20 year stint, he became an Atlanta School teacher. he told me about the “Horrors” of his teaching experience 13 years worth is all he could take.

Well he is retired from both, and lives a nice retirement because of both.

I am sure you are working in a different school situation then he did on the West End.

Darvoset spending

December 28th, 2011
2:03 pm

Deal.. or Nathan Deal?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
2:04 pm

DDR: If only i could rememer who it was that said that………who was it?

You’re implying there was only one?

Peter

December 28th, 2011
2:10 pm

DebbieDoRight .. Not sure you have a clear understanding of the title game.

If Bama could only kick field goals………LSU wouldn’t even be there.

Bama clearly out played LSU, but got unlucky.

I don’t have a side in the issue, but it is really hard to beat the same team twice in a season, and they seem to be very evenly matched.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm

Brocephus,

I got ya now on the fish pellets fed to atlantic salmon. I kinda wondered why we never ate wild atlantic salmon. I may just go ahead and eat atlantic farmed salmon if its just a dye they feed them and if its raised by American fish farmers. But ya just gotta know the wild salmon has got to be better for you unless of course they have a higher mercury content which I would be curious to know.

Peter,

Thanks for the clarification on the parasite that plagues farmed pacific salmon and then attaches to the wild population.

Debbiedoright,

35-9 LSWho? Surely you jest. Tide rolls in a rematch. Interestingly Bama is favored by 1 in Vegas.

Darvoset spending

December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm

Peter

December 28th, 2011
2:10 pm

Bama clearly out played LSU

If that was true, Alabama would have won.

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm

Darvoset spending,

The better team does not always win the game.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
2:14 pm

DDR: If only i could rememer who it was that said that………who was it?

Is this where the Church Lady says “Satan!”?

Old Timer

December 28th, 2011
2:15 pm

You’re implying there was only one?

Well, there was one on here who upbraided us repeatedly as being unpatriotic if we criticized Bush and kept saying he was the leader of the country and thus deserving of our support. I haven’t heard that argument from her since—oh, about January 20, 2009. Coincidence? I think not.

GT

December 28th, 2011
2:16 pm

Adam is right, the cons keep trying to rephase our arguments. Rich is great as long as the other side of that equation is it was earned.

Darvoset spending

December 28th, 2011
2:16 pm

Thulsa Doom

December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm

Darvoset spending,

The better team does not always win the game.

Yes they do, obviously if Alabama was the better team they would have thrashed LSU.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
2:17 pm

Darvoset spending. did you watch the game ?

It was a spectacular battle, and there should be another as exciting…..The kicking game lost it for Bama.

Again..if Bama hits one of the 4 or 5 missed field goals.they win and LSU is never in the title game.

josef

December 28th, 2011
2:18 pm

Peter
Why should I let anything go? It would be contrary to my ornery, bone gnawing, reactionary nature!

I’ve worked in all kinds of teaching environments…kinder to university, ghetto-trailer trash to high white…each with its own challenges and each with its own rewards…

Right now? In heaven on earth…great site, great parents, great staff and great administration…of course the APS is out to destroy it with the redistricting…

getalife

December 28th, 2011
2:18 pm

LSU – 35

Bama – 9

SoCoBro- Sobbing hysterically. Again. :)

There will be no doubt.

LSU National Champs.

Again.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
2:19 pm

Old Timer.. Well you do have a point sir….. WE all were very Unpatriotic, being Pissed at Bush about the War in Iraq….. and spend very little at home.

Of course he bankrupted America at the same time, so I wonder why we were upset ?

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
2:20 pm

josef: Hey, Girl…folks been askin’ ’bout that boa… it’s a relic now…

Don’t let them have it, it’s mine!!! Tell them to get their own! Oh and Happy Hannukkah!! (Hope I spelled it right). Hope you and yours were a little happier, wealthier and wiser!

Dusty: Perhaps you skipped a line in my post. I repeat: I believe all our leaders take info given them and make decisions..

Nope — it was in there…

Dusty: You think THAT might include Prez Obama? It did. It also included Prez Bush whom you dumped disgust on repeatedly.

Yeah but he earned his. PS: Just in case you missed any of those posts from me….. I’m also disgusted with Obama’s bending over and giving the repubs everything their evil little hearts desire too.

Dusty: Tht is not to say that I agree with all that presidents do. They do make bad decisions sometimes just like everybody. But I still stand by my statement that they draw conclusions from info they receive. Get it?

Oh sure Dusty…can’t imagine why you’d mention……oh wait!!! Now i remember, YOU were the one who said it was unpatriotic to disagree with the President (Bush)!!! I KNEW it’d come back to me!! :wink:

Adam: You’re implying there was only one?

Debbie – :lol: :lol:

getalife

December 28th, 2011
2:22 pm

Oh I have seen Dusty angry.

Toil toil…….:)

Matti's Grasp of Reality

December 28th, 2011
2:23 pm

I’m also disgusted with Obama’s bending over and giving the repubs everything their evil little hearts desire too.

Yup. It would appear they’re all on the same side: THEIR OWN.

Who’s on our side?

Darvoset spending

December 28th, 2011
2:26 pm

Peter

December 28th, 2011
2:17 pm

Darvoset spending. did you watch the game ?

It was a spectacular battle, and there should be another as exciting…..The kicking game lost it for Bama.

Again..if Bama hits one of the 4 or 5 missed field goals.they win and LSU is never in the title game.

Exactly. If Alabama was truly the better team, they would have had a kicker who didn’t miss.

This isn’t that hard, y’all.

Thomas

December 28th, 2011
2:26 pm

Tax the undeserving winners and you start to recycle the money to productive hands.

which is in fact a timing difference as it tends to revert back. go watch a poker game for proof.

josef

December 28th, 2011
2:27 pm

DDR

A lot happier, less wealthy and no wiser! The one out of three in this case ain’t all bad…hope you and yours are having the best of the Season…

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
2:28 pm

josef: Are we to assume that Bosch’s bidness is going well?

I hope so!! He deserves good things happening in his life.

Peter: DebbieDoRight .. Not sure you have a clear understanding of the title game. If Bama could only kick field goals………LSU wouldn’t even be there.

I didn’t understand that part. LSU beat THREE ranked teams this season, how many did Bama beat? One? And that one was Penn (Child molesting) State. They , PSU, probably had bigger things on their minds when they played “Bama”. They were probably wondering what time the local elementary schools let out…..

Peter: Bama clearly out played LSU, but got unlucky.

They didn’t get unlucky they LOST. Big difference…

Peter: I don’t have a side in the issue, but it is really hard to beat the same team twice in a season, and they seem to be very evenly matched.

We’ll see. BTW by rights of Marriage (hubby is an Auburn Grad), I have to hate Bama (sorry) so GEAUX Tigers!!! Beat those no-good BAMERS!!!

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
2:29 pm

Oh I have seen Dusty angry.

Her other car is a broom?

williebkind

December 28th, 2011
2:29 pm

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:14 am
Yep it was Deal or a progressive liberal!

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
2:31 pm

Doom: 35-9 LSWho? Surely you jest. Tide rolls in a rematch. Interestingly Bama is favored by 1 in Vegas.

Not even cracking a smile Doom! Tide gets ROLLED like a drunken prom date. REMINDER: There’s a lot of drinking and drugs in Vegas. I wouldn’t trust those odd makers. Just saying :wink:

getalife

December 28th, 2011
2:31 pm

“Her other car is a broom?”

You remember too :)

Darvoset spending

December 28th, 2011
2:31 pm

The collective denial of Bama fans harkens back to Tennessee’s glory days a decade or so ago… if anything didn’t go the Vols’ way, it was someone’s fault–but certainly not their own!

Darvoset spending

December 28th, 2011
2:33 pm

Nathan Deal makes me pine for Sonny Perdue

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
2:35 pm

You remember too

I kid Dusty because I love, of course.

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
2:36 pm

PETER,

While Bush certainly contributed to annual deficit, we’ve been bankrupted as a nation for years…the only thing covering up that fact is that the FEDs, unlike private entities per GAAP, don’t have to account for unfunded future obligations…currently 60+ TRILLION as result from failed Medicare and SS ponzi schemes…additionally, it is deteriorating geometrically with each administration as the boomer age…

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-06-us-owes-62-trillion-in-debt_n.htm

Why don’t we ever want to discuss this 300 pound gorilla instead of trying to assign blame to annual deficits?

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
2:38 pm

Keep: Is this where the Church Lady says “Satan!”?

:lol: Ha!

Peter: It was a spectacular battle, and there should be another as exciting…..The kicking game lost it for Bama. Again..if Bama hits one of the 4 or 5 missed field goals.they win and LSU is never in the title game.

AHHHHH [Buzzer sounding in background]

Wrong answer sir!! The Bama TEAM lost the game, not the “kicker”. If the TEAM was so dang great they would’ve won by those “4 or 5″ TDs — but they didn’t.

I say this time around, Miles pulls out his voodoo doll and puts some serious mojo on that “Bama” elephant. We’ll all be a-eatin’ Elephant gumbo in a coupla days. I got my bowl and spoon ready!!!

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
2:39 pm

MATTI,

That’s the question at the root of all political follies…none of them are on our side. Of course, they play to up to the minute polls to get our votes but after elected, game over…makes much of this “I’m right and you are not right” that so compromises this and other blogs meaningless and of no value toward us taking our government back..

getalife

December 28th, 2011
2:39 pm

“I kid Dusty because I love, of course.”

One of my favorite cons :)

Darvoset spending

December 28th, 2011
2:39 pm

I liked a line in that article you posted, Stevie Ray:

The false claim that Social Security and Medicare are about to bankrupt the United States has been repeated for decades by conservatives and libertarians who pretend that their ideological opposition to these successful and cost-effective programs is based on worries about the deficit”…

getalife

December 28th, 2011
2:42 pm

Bama players should man up like the Falcons players and say they did not make the plays after their second defeat.

Mad hatter 2.

Satan 0.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
2:43 pm

GT: My favorite attempted usurping of a phrase? “Class warfare.” As though the rich have something to worry about from the poor, and the rich are utterly defenseless against the poor taking their money.

Oh, and the best part? It doesn’t work! Everyone KNOWS that class warfare is when the rich attack the poor, regardless of whatever dictionary definitions they would like to throw up to try to say otherwise (when you’re explaining, you’re losing).

A dad

December 28th, 2011
2:44 pm

Adam – my apologies then. And I would never accuse you, seriously, of living in your folk’s basement. Like I said earlier. despite all the name calling and insulting, etc. (unless it’s clearly done in jest like Dusty and josef) that goes on in this blog, I’m going to refrain from doing so myself. Will do my best to hit back with something even dirtier … facts and logic.

Peter – my hydroponic farm consisted of a bunch of 55-gal aquariums, drilled so flow tubes could connect them. Basic stuff at first, but am sure that someone with cash could link some ponds or something simlar to make it economically viable. But still, some of the herbs were mighty tasty. Or at least I remember them being that way. Sort of. Well, maybe….

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
2:44 pm

DARVOSET,

Yes, unlike most here, I find it useful to present both sides and make up my own mind. The idea that in one ear the spending liberals cry “what about our kids” they say 61 trillion of unfunded debt with actuarially sound data indicating this number will grow geometrically in the next 15 years, possibly eclipsing 100 Trillion in short order is ridiculous. Not surprising that neither party is interested in addressing this as one wants spending as usual, damn the torpedoes, while the other really is clueless as to how to address the issue and keep voters in tow..

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
2:44 pm

Matti: Who’s on our side?

God Matti! i hope that was a rhetorical question because I dont have an answer! The only one answer that’ll come close is Ralph Nader. And with the way this system is set up (Dems & Reps); there’s no way Nader could get in on any ballot on any state without massive litigation and billions of dollars.

Peter

December 28th, 2011
2:46 pm

Well the sides are being drawn and wow I am ready for another spectacular football game between the two.

I do think whom ever wins should indeed be the champs..of course if you are from Oklahoma State, then you are pouting !

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
2:52 pm

DARVOCET,

Are you suggesting that programs that have costed us 61 trillion more that we can afford are cost effective and successful? Surely you must agree that is an absurd postion, impossible to defend…

Where do you suppose this money will come from? Punting the ball down the field? Fact is our outflows have exceeded our inflows for decades and will continue to do so, getting worse than better in the near term…

Jay

December 28th, 2011
2:52 pm

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
2:55 pm

Why is Stevie Ray arguing against his own linkee. :roll:

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
2:56 pm

josef: A lot happier, less wealthy and no wiser! The one out of three in this case ain’t all bad…hope you and yours are having the best of the Season…

Me and mine are doing well. My steps are here and I hadn’t seen them since last year and they’re getting BIG!! The oldest starts college next year, he’s thinking about becoming a Techie (His aunt’s happy, his dad and grandad might catch the vapors though), or go to USC — i’m hoping he goes to USC; he’ll have a great time and can get FAR AWAY from his family (mom). He needs to be able to man up — with his mother around that’ll never happen.

Dudley bought me a new car for christmas!!! It’s a minivan. I was like “WTF?” — but i pretended to like it. It wasn’t until my mother-n-law bought the CAR SEAT that it finally dawned on me that these people have lost their ever-lovin-mind!! The steps laughed until they were blue in the face and I had to slap them on their backs to restart their breathing. I guess for my birthday they’ll drop me another “subtle” hint and give me a crib.

I have a new nephew this year!! He’s beyyoooottteeefffullll!! and I’m really, really happy that there’s another baby around for me to spoil. I got my neice an iPad — so that she can learn to read, and I’m going to redo her room so that its no longer a baby room but a “big girl” room.

This year I’ve decided to do more for my family and friends, as well as spend more time with them. Since grand died, it has shown me how fragile and quickly life really is.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
3:04 pm

’bout the only thing I have to say on topic is, sounds like Texas.

Which segues into our gov’s soaking the taxpayers of Texas hundreds of thousands of dollars for his security detail while off campaigning for a position that he doesn’t have a chance of winning. But he’s a fiscal conservative, so it’s okay.

Hi DDR!!

Went to see Breaking Dawn yesterday. Great themes! Sacrifice. Service. Rising above one’s nature to serve a greater good. Loyalty, morality, the importance of family. You really should see it!

:-)

Paul

December 28th, 2011
3:06 pm

Oh, and DDR, I figured the minivan was to make it easier for you to take the niece and nephew and take them about to do DDR stuff. Leastwise, that’s how I’d portray my understanding to the in-laws and The Dudley.

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
3:06 pm

TAXPAYER,

Not in the least…the article presents two views, the first about the poor decisions that are being made due to the lack of accounting of unfunded liabilities until the check is stroked…the latter from a liberal thinktank suggesting no problem…..ridiculous position but I presume most of left (and right) leaners suffer from severe information based bias…

http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html

Check out the %GDP numbers for each program and tell me these are cost efficient programs…funded prudently over the years…complete ponzi funding..

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
3:08 pm

josef…. I thought Jay was sending you this important Gettysburg link: http://www.nbc.com/the-office/video/the-battle-of-schrute-farms/1369016

Stevie Ray

December 28th, 2011
3:10 pm

JAY,

I read that Gettysburg piece before (a couple of times)…it’s amazing the so much of history has been decided by vagaries and poor communication (ie flanking error by LEE)….another great one is around 1775 during siege of NYC, had the winds been blowing a different direction we may still be under the monarch..

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
3:13 pm

The only one answer that’ll come close is Ralph Nader.

Debbie, have I told you recently, that I love you?!

Sadly, it appears Ralph will not be a candidate in 2012; and his powerful message, which outlines exactly how this nation has benefited from progressive action, including championing (is that a real word?) consumer, shareholder and taxpayer rights, will be forgotten…

Peter

December 28th, 2011
3:14 pm

Stevie Ray Yup out flows have been getting worse and they have been doing it for decades.

So why do the right wingers want to save the world, even though it will cost us dearly ?

dawgfan

December 28th, 2011
3:15 pm

I know this is very late to this discussion, but just to clarify something. A “mitigation credit” doesn’t come out of thin air. It comes from a process certified by the Corps of Engineers whereby former wetlands mostly used for agricultural purposes are returned to wetlands. (creeks rerouted, native plants replanted) and permanently set aside. This results in no net loss of wetlands and the credits can only be used in watershed they originate in. This allows important projects like reservoirs to be built without having an overall negative effect on the wetlands of a watershed. It’s a straight one for one trade. For every unit of wetland destroyed one is preserved. I just thought I add that little bit of info.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
3:15 pm

Paul:Hi DDR!! Went to see Breaking Dawn yesterday. Great themes! Sacrifice. Service. Rising above one’s nature to serve a greater good. Loyalty, morality, the importance of family. You really should see it!

Hi Paul!! I will see “Breaking Dawn” when hell freezes over OR when Dusty repudiates Dubya. Which means NEVER!!!! :)

Paul: Oh, and DDR, I figured the minivan was to make it easier for you to take the niece and nephew and take them about to do DDR stuff. Leastwise, that’s how I’d portray my understanding to the in-laws and The Dudley.

ha!! I smiled and said thank you……’cause I’m going to trade that bad boy in for a Cadillac! I was going to use my bonus for something else, more investment property, but since they did that I figure all bets are off!! Besides, Dudley’s oldest will be in COLLEGE next year!! WTF is he thinking about?!?! I think he has some sort of trauma to his brain — that’s the story i’m going with anway. As for the in-laws, ……………… no comment.

PS: Dudley has me so freaked out that everytime he wants to get “close” I feign a headache! That’ll have to do me until I can get to the doctor in January…….i just hope I can hold out that long. :wink:

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
3:20 pm

I just noticed that I have plans to draw maybe $60,000 per year during retirement but I do not have the money today. I’m no better than the government with my unfunded liabilities. :roll:

Check out the %GDP numbers for each program and tell me these are cost efficient programs…funded prudently over the years…complete ponzi funding..

No, Stevie Ray. If you wish to make such a claim, then you provide the basis.

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
3:21 pm

Bruno: Not finding a 90% figure in either link, and I also am taking the first link with a grain of salt, just fyi.

Adam–If you’ll look a little further into the article, you’ll see that Bill Clinton received approximately 90% of the media’s votes in 1992, the last year for which data is provided. I think it is reasonable to believe a similar percentage voted for Obama. In return, the links you provided which you claimed proved that conservative bias now dominates the media were all bunk, as I demonstrated earlier.

My point is pretty simple: Despite glaring, incontrovertible evidence that the media in this country leans left, you and the other Libs here persist in believing it’s not true. Which, in the end, strikes deeply at your credibility.

Finn McCool

December 28th, 2011
3:21 pm

hehehehe:

Latinos Support Obama, Despite Deportation Policies

The Pew poll is the first to put numbers on the growing discontent among Latinos with Mr. Obama’s immigration policies, which have led to nearly 400,000 deportations in each of the last three years. According to the poll, 59 percent of Latinos disapprove of the deportations; only 27 percent approve.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/latinos-support-obama-despite-deportation-policies/?partner=rss&emc=rss

What do Republicans have to do to get a non-white vote? hehehehe

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
3:23 pm

AmVet: Sadly, it appears Ralph will not be a candidate in 2012; and his powerful message, which outlines exactly how this nation has benefited from progressive action, including championing (is that a real word?) consumer, shareholder and taxpayer rights, will be forgotten…

Hi AmVet!! Even if Nader were to run this year, the system is set up so that in order for him to be in the ballot of all 50 states,(even as a write-in); he’d have to go through tons of litigation. The Dems and the Repubs learned a lot from the Whig party (remember them) and made sure that we (the people) will never again be able to control our own destiny.

In order for Nader’s message to be heard forever, is if there is someone strong enough, wealthy enough, AND know where all the political bones are buried (enough), can stand up to the established parties and fight for EVERYONE — not just the ones with money.

carlosgvv

December 28th, 2011
3:24 pm

RB – 12:34

What makes you think all liberals believe Islam is a peaceful religion? Anyone, liberal or conservative, who looks at Islam honestly can see that Islam AT THIS TIME is anything but a peaceful religion. It very well may be that, in the years to come, Islam will constitute a greater threat to the West than anything else. If Islam can manage to come into the 21st Century like other major world religions, we’ll be OK. Unfortunately, the odds of this happening seem to get smaller and smaller every day.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
3:25 pm

Well, DDR, Edward held out for a hundred years, so a few days is no problem. See? Another Twilight life lesson.!

(And I figured it was only guys who endured the movie in resolute grimness, enduring a couple hours of emotional transparency for the sake of peace with their wives and girlfriends. Think of the service you’d provide by going, letting them know that ‘ha! you guys blew it! You coulda had me and then neither one of us would be here!).

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
3:27 pm

Now, on the other hand, in spite of no factual evidence to support your claim, you and the other Libs here like to perpetuate the myth that most racists are conservatives, which means that as a group, conservatives are more racist than liberals. Sorry, but the bogus “Google search” study that you linked proves nothing. In the end, all you have is anecdotal evidence and your “gut feeling”. Which, in my opinion, isn’t strong enough evidence to make an across-the-board, hateful charge like that.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
3:32 pm

Bruno: See, from my point of view, you are the one who has questionable credibility because you have not at all demonstrated that my links are bunk, especially your very weak “that hasn’t been my personal experience” argument, and you simply insist that there is liberal media bias when the overall effect of the “liberal media bias” charge is that nearly all outlets lean right instead in order to try to stave off the charge that will never go away no matter how much they try to cater to what they believe their audience is – mostly conservatives.

They are probably wrong about their audience, and committing the same flaw as many retailers – those who complain the loudest get the most attention, and are thus encouraged to complain even more. As one banker said (paraphrased) “I don’t believe Obama is a socialist or that he is hurting the banking industry. We only say that stuff because the more we do, the more he gives us what we want.” Bottom line: You’ve either a) been suckered into believing the liberal media bias lie, or b) you know full well I am right and are just arguing the point because you want to remain on top politically.

The fact is, right now, the media is conservative leaning. I could care less whether or not you believe that, especially after I have presented you evidence, but you refusing to acknowledge it and “fighting back” with flimsy reasoning isn’t helping your case.

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
3:33 pm

Rock on DDR.

I believe Nader’s legacy will embolden future vanguards, who will continue to speak truth to power. And who will try to dismantle the stranglehold that the dual incumbency protection rackets have over us all…

The liberal media?

Other than FOX News (Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, John Gibson, Neil Cavuto, Steve Doocy, E.D. Hill, Brian Kilmeade, Brit Hume), Clear Channel, Laura Ingraham, Dr. Laura, Rush Limbaugh, Hugh Hewitt, Ann Coulter, Newsmax, G. Gordon Liddy, Michael Reagan, Michael Savage, The New York Post, Sinclair Broadcast Group (WLOS13, Fox 45, WTTO21, WB49, KGAN, WICD, WICS, WCHS, WVAH, WTAT, WSTR, WSYX, WTTE, WKEF, WRGT, KDSM, WSMH, WXLV, WURN, KVWB, KFBT, WDKY, WMSN, WVTV, WEAR, WZTV, KOTH, WYZZ, WPGH, WGME, WLFL, WRLH, WUHF, KABB, WGGB, WSYT, WTTA), David Horowitz, Rupert Murdoch, PAX, and MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, you may be right, B!

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
3:33 pm

From earlier:

On topic…what I can’t seem to get a handle on is how anyone can call self a conservative and not be a near fanatic on environmental protection. If ever there were an issue that is conservative to the core, that would be it.

Can’t speak for the other conservatives here, josef, but I’ve donated a small fortune to environmental causes through the years, from the Sierra Club to the Wilderness Society to the World Wildlife Fund to the Nature Conservancy and so on. My particular favorite is the Nature Conservancy, whose philosophy and MO most closely match my own. Rather than tying things up in court for years on end ala the Sierra Club, the Nature Conservancy directly purchases the endangered lands.

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
3:35 pm

Back in a minute, Adam, to show how your links do NOT support the claims you made.

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
3:36 pm

“Anyone, liberal or conservative, who looks at Islam honestly can see that Islam AT THIS TIME is anything but a peaceful religion”

Nope. Anyone, with any sense, can see that there are radicals within that religion who corrupt it’s message for their own vicious ends.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
3:36 pm

A dad

December 28th, 2011
3:38 pm

adam – stop, yer killin me bud. The media is conservative leaning right now? Oh man, how do you come up with them. Jeff Foxworthy got nothing on you son….
Funny, I haven’t heard any stories about some of the shanty towns that have popped up in cities such as LA. Folks who lost their homes, have been unemployed too long so their beneifts expired (thereby dropping off the unemployed statistics), living in shacks and tents. And no, I’m talking about the OWS crowd.

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
3:40 pm

“Beit Shemesh’s growing ultra-Orthodox population has erected street signs calling for the separation of sexes on the sidewalks, dispatched “modesty patrols” to enforce a chaste female appearance”

Kind of sad, really, to see men who are so afraid of women. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
3:40 pm

Bruno: Sorry, but the bogus “Google search” study that you linked proves nothing. In the end, all you have is anecdotal evidence and your “gut feeling”.

Personally, I thought the 2008 election was string evidence AGAINST racism. And THEN I saw what happened to the loud conservatives after he was elected. There is no way to explain away some of the bogus and obviously false charges against the President with “I just disagree with his policies.” You can’t tell me that the reason people thought he was not born in this country had anything to do with whether or not they agreed with his policies.

I know there is a tendency here to get butthurt and think I am calling YOU racists when I talk about how some conservatives ARE racist, and show it. But if you’re not racist then you have nothing to worry about anyway. It’s not like I was going to hunt down racists or anything.

Anyway what you seem to be doing here is saying your studies are valid, and all of mine are anecdotal, and that it’s ok for you to use “personal experience” as a reason the Pew Research study must be wrong, but when you presume I might be doing the same thing (which I am not, btw), it’s not ok. Basically: you think all your evidence is right and all of mine is suspect.

For the 2010 midterm study, I will say again: It matters not that Obama got more than everyone else. He wasn’t running in 2010. What matters is the coverage of the candidates, and whether or not that coverage was positive. For the GOP primary, the evidence is pretty clear, but you dismiss it because “that hasn’t been [your] personal experience.” Personal experience does not trump facts, data, statistics, and the like.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
3:42 pm

Bill Clinton received approximately 90% of the media’s votes in 1992, the last year for which data is provided

So based on an election in which there were 3 main candidates and individuals could vote for whoever they chose, the claim that 90% of the media voters determined that Clinton deserved their vote means that those voters are now liberal and also biased. They cannot be independent, they cannot be conservative. They MUST be liberal (well except for that nasty little analysis by social group) One must obviously follow the other. It could not be at all that the economy was the main issue and the Bush campaign was emphasizing foreign policy. :roll: :roll: That is some weak indirect “evidence” to then expand into evidence of media bias.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
3:42 pm

Bruno: I hope you hurry, I only have about half an hour left before my drive home :)

Adam

December 28th, 2011
3:44 pm

And btw saying the people in the media voted 90% for Clinton as evidence of liberal media bias is weak, because that was in 1992, and it presupposes people have absolutely no ability or desire to report on things that do not follow their personal political ideology.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
3:45 pm

Paul: Well, DDR, Edward held out for a hundred years, so a few days is no problem. See? Another Twilight life lesson.!

Paul – Edward is a fictional character!!! The only men (fictional or otherwise) who can hold out for hundreds of years are the ones who are eunuchs!

Paul: (And I figured it was only guys who endured the movie in resolute grimness, enduring a couple hours of emotional transparency for the sake of peace with their wives and girlfriends.

Ha!! Dudley only likes slasher movies (thank god!!) and the only thing i actually try to “bribe” him to go to are events that are community events (like a Feed the homeless dinner); and then, only if I am a part of it, (which I usually am).

Paul: Think of the service you’d provide by going, letting them know that ‘ha! you guys blew it! You coulda had me and then neither one of us would be here!

They have to learn to suffer Paul — how else will we train them to become great husbands? :)

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
3:47 pm

WHAT? No new blog subject to work on here? Just ’cause Bookman is on vacation is no reason to goof off.

Well. let’s see. DDR wants me to repudiate Bush. What for? He was a good president. Wish he were around to scare off Iran. But what do we get? Pineapples! and Biden! Whoopee!

Paul is here not lovin’ Texas. He’s mad at Perry for having a security expense. Didya hear about the guy that went to Hawaii and cost the taxpayers millions? Nawwww….

Anyway, Bruno is here so we may have a modicom of good sense exhibited. At least some math problems with hot dogs but no chili.

Soooo, after a lovely turkey sandwich (will it ever end) I feel GOOD! I shall go hunting in the back yard to see if I can find the COYOTE. If I don’t return, you will know I found him. But I think he only likes turkey, not sweet things like me!! Fare thee well…

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
3:48 pm

“And btw saying the people in the media voted 90% for Clinton as evidence of liberal media bias is weak”

And if that’s the study I think it is, it didn’t indicate anything at all about how they voted. I know there’s a study that indicated that a large percentage of REPORTERS self-identified as “liberals”, and that study keeps cropping up as some kind of “proof” of the liberal media.

But no one has ever been able to provide any proof that the reportING had a “liberal slant” Not one. I know at one point we asked one poster after another, over and over and over, to provide proof of a liberal slant to the NEWS reporting and all we ever got back was either crickets…or opinion pieces.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
3:50 pm

Doggone: Kind of sad, really, to see men who are so afraid of women. Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?

Yep. One of my instructors at Spelman told me that’s the first sign of systemic oppression. First they come after the women. Then they come after a certain “group” or faction. Then they come after / question your faithfullness or your patriotism. Then they come after your rights. By that time, they got you.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
3:51 pm

Doggone: Looks like you’ll get your chance. Bruno seems intent on unscientifically proving to us all that the liberal media exists EVERYWHERE

Adam

December 28th, 2011
3:52 pm

DDR: First they come after the women. Then they come after a certain “group” or faction. Then they come after / question your faithfullness or your patriotism. Then they come after your rights. By that time, they got you.

Tell me that does not sound like EXACTLY what the Republican party has done for the past 3 or so decades!

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
3:53 pm

AmVet: …..will try to dismantle the stranglehold that the dual incumbency protection rackets have over us all…

Dual Incumbency Protection Rackets! oooh I like that!! Mind if i use it sometime?

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
3:54 pm

“Doggone: Looks like you’ll get your chance”

Shoot, all we have to do is ask him to provide a comprehensive listing of NEWS reporting that is slanted to the liberal side. He’ll never be able to do it.

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
3:55 pm

“Tell me that does not sound like EXACTLY what the Republican party has done for the past 3 or so decades!”

I would have said it sounds like what they’ve SAID. They haven’t really DONE much of anything.

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 28th, 2011
3:59 pm

“then they come after your rights. By that time, they got you.”

but some of us have infiltrated the system.
proletariats waiting for the signal…
grrrr

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
3:59 pm

I heard that someone on Fox “news” said the word, “Democrat” the other day. They’re no longer “fair and balanced”. They’ve gone liberal!

Jay

December 28th, 2011
4:01 pm

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
4:03 pm

Adam: Tell me that does not sound like EXACTLY what the Republican party has done for the past 3 or so decades!

God Adam! I’ve never even THOUGHT about that! (Even though I should have). Their (repubs) strategy, I guesss, is like water wearing down a rock. You don’t notice it, but slowly and effectively that once big strong rock is now just a little pebble.

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
4:04 pm

But no one has ever been able to provide any proof that the reportING had a “liberal slant” Not one. I know at one point we asked one poster after another, over and over and over, to provide proof of a liberal slant to the NEWS reporting and all we ever got back was either crickets…or opinion pieces.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/mccainobama_media_bias.html

godless heathen

December 28th, 2011
4:06 pm

“On topic…what I can’t seem to get a handle on is how anyone can call self a conservative and not be a near fanatic on environmental protection. If ever there were an issue that is conservative to the core, that would be it.”

I’m a conservative and I am strongly in favor of environmental protection. Who isn’t? On the other hand, I understand that without the intelligent use of natural resources civilization cannot continue to improve generation by generation. The industrial revolution, so vilified by the environmentalists, did much to improve the lives of mankind as a whole. Did we wipe out a few species and pollute waterways? Sure, but the benefits have far outweighed the negative effects. Now that we have matured technologically we can do a better job of protecting the environment and managing our resources, but to think we can ever go back to self-sufficient farming and energy use is naive and ludicrous, unless you want to see millions of people starve to death, that is. But that seems to be what some greens seem to want. Would like to see about 1/2 the earths population starve to death so we’d be more in touch with nature?

My problem with the environmentalist movement is that the extremists have mated with the nanny state, trying to sell the belief that we can live in a 100% safe world, no matter what the cost is. And they particularly have no regard for freedom.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
4:10 pm

Don’t think just because I have to go soon that you can sneak in after I leave, post a bogus argument to “show how [my] links do NOT support the claims [I] made,” and I won’t be back to notice that the argument is bogus and call you on it.

Just so you know. Simply having the last word doesn’t mean you win, btw.

Iconoclast

December 28th, 2011
4:17 pm

Immanentize the eschaton!

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
4:22 pm

“http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/08/mccainobama_media_bias.html”

Sorry, that is not a COMPREHENSIVE survey of NEWS REPORTING that proves any sort of liberal bias.

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
4:22 pm

Anyway what you seem to be doing here is saying your studies are valid, and all of mine are anecdotal, and that it’s ok for you to use “personal experience” as a reason the Pew Research study must be wrong, but when you presume I might be doing the same thing (which I am not, btw), it’s not ok. Basically: you think all your evidence is right and all of mine is suspect.

In case you didn’t notice, Adam, the Journalism.org piece you cited CLAIMED that Perry got a lot of “positive” news coverage, while stating that Obama received “negative” news coverage in the same time period. No where in the article did it define “positive’ or “negative” in any scientific way, but instead referred to undefined “computer algorithms”.. Without any such standard delineated, it comes across as an opinion to me. The conclusion of the article stated that Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman have received very “flattering” media coverage overall. That doesn’t match my experience at all, which draws into question the methodology used to determine “positive’ or “negative”.

Your first article was presented to “prove” that media coverage during the midterm elections “heavily favor the Republicans”…In fact, the article showed that Obama got more than twice the press coverage of any other politician mentioned. In comparing the other politicians mentioned, the number of articles ranged from 49-160 stories for each candidate, with no clear advantage to either political party.

Put up some higher quality studies, then we can talk. In the meantime, your cred is 0.

Ron Burgundy

December 28th, 2011
4:27 pm

I think Green people should move to China. They are the real problem. They teeteed in the river so much it turned yellow.

ken

December 28th, 2011
5:37 pm

Go blow your windmills and charge your batteries with fossil fuel.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
6:27 pm

Bruno: My credibility is just fine, but thanks for your opinion. If you wanted more information about how the study was conducted, all you would have had to do was read past the article. The fact that Obama got more coverage during the 2010 midterms says nothing about whether it was positive or negative. And.as I have said before, the fact that Obama got coverage is immaterial because he was not running. And as I have also said before, your personal experience does not trump statistical analysis. The fact that I have to keep repeating myself shows you really don’t understand this, and you are not approaching this subject seriously.

Attack my credibility all you want. From my point of view, your own credibility was in question before you even started with your flimsy rebuttals. You presented your initial links and drew a conclusion from them that can be found nowhere in either link. Further, you then took the evidence I gave you and accused me of the exact same thing you’re doing. In essence, once I challenged you on these things you projected both your lack of credibility and your lack of proper evidence for your conclusion onto me. And that lets me know all I need to know about this entire argument. You know you are wrong, and your only defense is projection. You’re welcome to try again when you’re willing to take the subject more seriously than that, but for now you have not made your case at all.

Paulo977

December 28th, 2011
8:48 pm

And…what of this?????

….http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/christa-dias-fired-artificial-insemination-catholic_n_1173139.htm

[...] Warren Budd, the vice chairman of the state Board of Natural Resources, calls himself a “green conservative” and claims there are a lot of people like him. A lifelong active Republican, the insurance agent from Newnan is also an avid outdoorsman. “I care about conservation, and I care about this… Read more of On state DNR board, no future for a ‘green conservative’ [...]

Bruno

December 28th, 2011
9:58 pm

And as I have also said before, your personal experience does not trump statistical analysis.

Put some legitimate statistical analysis up, and we can talk. The “study” in which articles are judged to be positive or negative doesn’t count because the standards by which the judgment is made aren’t included. Their conclusion that Perry and Bachman in particular have received the most positive coverage doesn’t pass the smell test. Nor does your “Google” study prove anything about how many people didn’t vote for Obama based on race. Total crap, but it did give you the chance to pull the race card out of your butt.

My challenge was for even one Lib to admit the obvious. If the situation were reversed, and you could show me that 80-90% of the media voted Republican year after year, and that media coverage was disproportionately allocated to the Republican candidates, I would have no problem in agreeing with you that the press tilted right. Any reason why you can’t admit the obvious??

The fact that I have to keep repeating myself shows you really don’t understand this, and you are not approaching this subject seriously.

Adam

December 29th, 2011
8:51 am

Bruno: The “study” in which articles are judged to be positive or negative doesn’t count because the standards by which the judgment is made aren’t included.

This is not true. I’ll let you try again to find the parts of the study that show you exactly that, not that it will do much good. You will, predictably, attack the basis once you find what the basis is, regardless of whether or not it’s actually a reasonable basis. But, as I said, if you want that info all you have to do is read a little deeper than just the article that overviews the study.

Their conclusion that Perry and Bachman in particular have received the most positive coverage doesn’t pass the smell test.

It doesn’t matter whether or not you personally think your own experience is different, as I keep trying to tell you. The study is based on overall data, not how many media stories you PERSONALLY saw.

If the situation were reversed, and you could show me that 80-90% of the media voted Republican year after year

Your problem, of course, is that you still have not showed this for the “liberal media.” It’s questionable at best that you’ve even shown it for one year, let alone “year after year.” Also, this is the very first time I’ve seen you make this particular “roles reversed” claim, so you’re hardly repeating yourself here. Instead, you’ve decided to present a new logical fallacy, thinking that it will somehow help your original argument. You’re still not approaching the subject seriously, but you are always welcome to try again.

David Montane'

January 2nd, 2012
2:38 pm

‘retired early’ wrote, “If you want more examples of Republican conservative ECO values, look no further than their Presidential front runner….Ron Paul. What a joke…and he leads pack.”

‘retired early’ — obviously a pro-regulation, big-government Democrat — misunderstands the difference between neo-conservative, big-business Republicans such as Nathan Deal, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, classical conservatives such as my friend Warren Budd, and libertarians such as the great statesman Ron Paul, who now resonates with Americans of all stripes and colors. The crux of this misunderstanding seems to be the meaning of “free market”. What many Americans think of as the free market is actually big government using the facade of regulation to protect big businesses at the expense of small businesses and individuals. We have so few examples of a truly “free market” we think justice is incompatible with it.

In a libertarian, free-market economy, private property rights are recognized to the point where there is no public property. However, your rights end where my property begins. If America had a truly free market, King America Finishing would pay 5 years of damages to all of those downstream who were affected by the pollution, plus all costs of attorneys, the court and enforcement. A judge, a jury, an arbitrator or a mitigator would decide how much money or other mitigation would be required of the defendant. It would not be an arbitrary amount set by a government regulator who would then use the money for another purpose. (For instance, I doubt if the bait-shop owner will see any of that $1 million fine.) Also, no one would be put in jail, which does little to promote justice but is a great expense to all.

The big problem with the socialist view, to which most Democrats subscribe, whether knowingly or not, is that private property rights are not even recognized. The river and the fish in it belong to “everyone”, and “everyone” has elected to transfer responsibility to the state. In the end, no one is responsible.

Obama has been exposed as a neo-conservative, just like Romney and Gingrich. If Ron Paul is not elected, everything will continue as before.

sheepdawg

January 2nd, 2012
8:31 pm

Warren Budd is a gentleman and outstanding citizen who speaks an unsurprising truth. deal was a certified crook when he fled congress, we knew that yet our state’s ignorant electorate put him in charge anyway. Georgia will suffer mightely in many way, including our environment, during his reign.