On state DNR board, no future for a ‘green conservative’
Warren Budd, the vice chairman of the state Board of Natural Resources, calls himself a “green conservative” and claims there are a lot of people like him.
A lifelong active Republican, the insurance agent from Newnan is also an avid outdoorsman. “I care about conservation, and I care about this state,” he said in an interview last week. “I represent the average guy who likes to fish and hunt. This is a beautiful state, and I like to think that there will be something of it left for our grandchildren to enjoy.”
However, even though he was in line to become chair of the 18-member DNR board next year, Budd has been informed that he will not be reappointed when his seven-year term ends on Jan. 1. According to Budd, a “green conservative” point of view is no longer welcome by Gov. Nathan Deal, who wants no dissent from a pro-development agenda that favors special interests.
“”They are very into message-control,” Budd said. “They don’t want board members to act like a board.”
Budd acknowledges that as a DNR board member, he pushed the state Environmental Protection Division to move more aggressively in dealing with a major fishkill on the Ogeechee River in May. Tens of thousands of fish were killed along an 80-mile stretch of river, and an investigation traced the cause back to King America Finishing, a textile plant that had been dumping flame-retardant chemicals into the river for as long as five years, undetected and without a permit.
In the end, the company agreed to spend $1 million on environmental projects in the Ogeechee watershed, a small price to pay considering the nature of its violation and the fact it could have been fined more than $90 million. The settlement was strongly criticized by environmentalists, outdoorsmen and civic leaders in the Ogeechee watershed as too lenient.
“We talk about protecting business, but I talked to one bait-shop owner whose business was down 70 percent because of that fishkill,” Budd said. “He’s a businessman too, and he wasn’t alone. A lot of people who make their living off that river were hurt.”
According to Budd, the DNR board has been told it can no longer elect its own officers, and instead those officers will be named by the governor. Deal’s top spokesman, Brian Robinson, says that the board remains free to elect its own officers, but that “several board members have asked the governor for his opinion.” According to Robinson, the governor wants to appoint board members “who are excited team players ready to carry out his agenda for our state.”
“Some are reappointments, some fill openings and some are replacements,” Robinson said. “It’s part of the process. It allows new blood, new ideas and new people a chance to serve the state on a volunteer basis. If anyone on any board considers himself indispensable, this is what educators call a ‘teachable moment.’ It takes an eyebrow-raising amount of self-regard for someone to suggest publicly that, out of 10 million Georgians, only he or she brings a diverse viewpoint to a board.”
While Budd is complimentary to his fellow DNR board members, the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.
For example, Aaron McWhorter, appointed to the board by Deal in May, sells “mitigation credits” that allow wetlands to be destroyed for construction projects, housing developments and, just by happenstance, major reservoir projects. Budd, on the other hand, has expressed doubts about the governor’s plan to build major new reservoirs in north Georgia, noting that such projects destroy miles of streams and rivers. And he believes that the decision not to reappoint him means that such sentiments will no longer be tolerated.
“Governor [Zell] Miller, [Roy] Barnes and [Sonny] Perdue all had diverse boards,” Budd said. “Moving toward a monolithic board is not healthy in a state of 10 million people with all of these competing interests.”
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GT
December 28th, 2011
12:34 pm
Thulsa Doom there has never been in the history of this country so much unused capital. Interest rates of savings is almost zero. The protection of principle is more important in these times than a return. Rockefeller sits with one billion inflated dollars in his safe instead of 200 million in real value, but what does it matter if he is not spending it. There is an oasis in the 1% with too much and the world around them is a desert. If this oasis was filled with Steve Jobs types the oasis would grow, but in reality it is filled with Wall Street types that are dug in and content. We have rewarded superficiality in our system which has taken this money and hoarded it. Find that happening in the 20s? Yes, and in the 30s there was a depression. This time the government artificially stop the depression and these non producers are rewarded. The cards are not reshuffled the system is shot. Tax the undeserving winners and you start to recycle the money to productive hands.
RB from Gwinnett
December 28th, 2011
12:34 pm
TD “your time would be better spent focusing on the recent Muslim bombings against Christian churches on Christmas day in Nigeria. Or the extermination of coptic Christians in Egypt perhaps or Christians in Iraq”
That would require liberals to admit that Islam isn’t the peaceful religion they all want us to believe they are and there is no way in hell they’re ever going to do that.
I’ll bet being in the prayer mat business in this country in 30 years will be quite profitable. Just like it is all over Europe where their idiot liberals have coddled the Muslims as being welcome members of a peaceful religion. They’re really “tolerant” of others and their chosen religions too, aren’t they libs?
I guess the muslims in Iraq are bombing now because of Obama’s bad foreign policies, eh?
TaxPayer
December 28th, 2011
12:36 pm
And where do those heavy metals in the fish come from, you ask. Well, de regulations. Where else. That is one thing that can be removed from those coal-fired plant’s smoke stacks but it does cost money and every penny spent on caring for this planet and our health is a penny out of the pocket of a job creator.
getalife
December 28th, 2011
12:36 pm
josef,
If they are against the Israeli State, where do they want to live?
Scooter,
We talk to the fisherman and they said eat crawfish.
I trust them over a corrupt government.
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
12:37 pm
Ding dong, the witch is here.
The latest “Bushism” to bubble from the liberal pot.
“George Bush used it (religion) to attack Iraq.”
Thank you, Peter, for your loony liberosity.
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
12:38 pm
Peter,
I hadn’t heard that W used religion to invade Iraq. I thought it was all about the oil! Just messin with ya. I’m largely in agreement with you on the religious stuff. And it is a shame for them to get into a fight in the middle of the church. Quite a shame.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
12:38 pm
josef .Religion IS the TOOL of Bill Orvis White.. that is what his blog is all about….. not saying I buy a word he writes, but Religion IS the main theme to get his agenda across with.
Amen. HA HA HA !
getalife
December 28th, 2011
12:39 pm
Dusty,
You know God told w to occupy Iraq.
A dad
December 28th, 2011
12:40 pm
Adam – and we were playing so nicely together. Actually, I am employed full-time and make a very nice salary with a nice bonus. One of the expected perks of having graduate degrees. It;s just rightnow, wrapping up the year’s work, it’s crazy insane and then some. Now, behave. And notice I am adhering to my campaign pledge (as of last night) to not insult the opposition. So there. Pbfftt!
And with that, if you haven’t noticed, I break away frequently to blog, i.e., the mental pause that refreshes.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
12:40 pm
Ding dong, the witch is here.
The latest “Bushism” to bubble from the liberal pot.
“George Bush used it (religion) to attack Iraq.”
Thank you, Peter, for your loony liberosity.
It’s true.
In the winter of 2003, when George Bush and Tony Blair were frantically gathering support for their planned invasion, Professor Thomas Römer, an Old Testament expert at the university of Lausanne, was rung up by the Protestant Federation of France. They asked him to supply them with a summary of the legends surrounding Gog and Magog and as the conversation progressed, he realised that this had originally come, from the highest reaches of the French government.
President Jacques Chirac wanted to know what the hell President Bush had been on about in their last conversation. Bush had then said that when he looked at the Middle East, he saw “Gog and Magog at work” and the biblical prophecies unfolding. But who the hell were Gog and Magog? Neither Chirac nor his office had any idea. But they knew Bush was an evangelical Christian, so they asked the French Federation of Protestants, who in turn asked Professor Römer.
He explained that Gog and Magog were, to use theological jargon, crazy talk. They appear twice in the Old Testament, once as a name, and once in a truly strange prophecy in the book of Ezekiel
josef
December 28th, 2011
12:41 pm
getalife
Their reasons for being there are sectarian and their motives are to create a fundamentalist regime in the territory…
RB
Don’t forget though that the Kurdish citizens did march in and close down the offices and destroy the presses of the political party preaching that doctrine you cite…they took a stand, now give them credit…(and in the days coming, support, they’re going to need it if they are to prevail)
Peter
December 28th, 2011
12:42 pm
Thulsa Doom.. I come from a Christian back ground, and to see the in fighting in the Church, the awful behavior of the priests, the allowing of the cover ups, also way religion has been used for certain “agendas”.. is really sad.
But yet it was created to control the masses of folks out there in the dark ages.
Remember if your priest said it it must be true… Kind of like Bin Laden and Saddam were working together.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
12:43 pm
Dusty.. History girl will tell you more folks have died in the name of religion, then for any other reason.
Yes that is Loony !
josef
December 28th, 2011
12:44 pm
Peter
He’s satire…and as with any good satirist, he knows the language and themes of his targets of ridicule…and, as I said, he just keeps rolling you in…AND the opposition. It’s just as much fun to watch those on “the other side” chiming in their agreement…
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
12:45 pm
Doom
I’ve seen Atlantic salmon with notices about the food pellets now.
A dad
December 28th, 2011
12:46 pm
Adam – also, I’d probably make and sell crack (ala Breaking Bad) than take a penny from Soros. Either that or sell “green” technology.
Peter @ 12:42. Spot on! Can’t believe the conduct of some “Christians”. Obviously they’ve never read the part in the NT about “judge not lest ye be judged.”
Peter
December 28th, 2011
12:47 pm
josef .. call it what you want there…… but Religion IS the TOOL !
getalife
December 28th, 2011
12:47 pm
Peter,
Dusty think w did nothing wrong.
The pile of crap he handed our President was the liberals fault in her closed mind.
She was very patriotic with w but not with President Obama.
Part time patriot.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
12:48 pm
A dad …… sure we can all not judge.. what in the Old Testament makes sense ?
The Thin Guy
December 28th, 2011
12:49 pm
Well the late Christopher Hitchens was an atheist and he was all for the war in Iraq. It’s due to you environmental extremists that it’s illegal to kill a snake in Georgia and the insecticides used to kill termites are ineffective at best. Meanwhile, all is right with the world as the Indonesian Imbecile plays golf
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2011/12/26/obama-golfs-90th-time-president/
If you ever spot me with a golf club, I’m using it to kill a snake.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
12:50 pm
The Thin Guy… Nice to see you have no regard for life in general….. Would you be Christian ?
getalife
December 28th, 2011
12:52 pm
a dad,
Breaking bad is making meth not crack.
You fit in nicely with the rest of our cons.
Wrong about everything but will never admit it.
josef
December 28th, 2011
12:52 pm
A Dad
Go to
http://billwhitesavesamerica.blogspot.com/
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
12:53 pm
Thulsa Doom there has never been in the history of this country so much unused capital- GT
GT is that an opinion or something that you read somewhwere- in other words a proveable point.
“Rockefeller sits with one billion inflated dollars in his safe instead of 200 million in real value, but what does it matter if he is not spending it”. -GT
GT Rockefellers didn’t get to be billionaires by hiding money in a safe or under a mattress. Their money is somewhere. Its sitting in banks, CDs, Tbills, but its sitting somewhere earning interest even if its a paltry 1%. I doubt 200 million in cash is sitting in a vault although I suppose anything is possible.
“This time the government artificially stop the depression and these non producers are rewarded”- GT
That is your opinion and that of many a Keynesian. It is my opinion of the Friedman school that the govt made things worse and prolonged recession. And if you think stimulus works then you need to review Japan’s stimulus efforts. They tried it 10 times and it failed- every time. Hence Japan’s lost decade.
“Tax the undeserving winners and you start to recycle the money to productive hands.”- GT
The undeserving winners? And who determines who is “undeserving”? You and others in an arbitrary and capricious manner? Do the “fairness police” determine who undeserving winners are? And when you say recycle money to productive hands who determines who are productive hands? The govt? Just like they determined that Solyndra was “productive hands”. You’re post seems long on hyperbole,rhetoric, and class warfare but woefully short on real world solutions.
RB from Gwinnett
December 28th, 2011
12:54 pm
Josef “…(and in the days coming, support, they’re going to need it if they are to prevail)”
I think most of their “support” was just packed up and moved out of country.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
12:55 pm
Brosephus eating farm raised fish is no different then anything commercially farm raised. Fillers, chemicals, and stuff that is bad for you in general.
Of course here in Georgia eating fresh fish from the streams and rivers could kill you as well…..Nice to see we are being “protected”.
A dad
December 28th, 2011
12:56 pm
Peter – if referring to such OT stuff the rules in Leviticus (red thread, etc.) and other seemingly nonsensical diatribes, I have been taught, and by my own readings confirmed (at least to my point of view), that with the coming of Christ the old rules no longer matter. It’s accepting a savior that counts. And while there is still some good logic in the original 10, I much prefer Jesus’s teachings and how he admonished people. Pretty good example of living even if he wasn’t the Son. I think we’d be better off if everyone followed his examples, don’t you.
Bill Orvis White
December 28th, 2011
12:57 pm
@Peter
Wrong. I support ideas that give the less fortunate opportunity. Secular-progressive folk like you need to learn that word: it starts with an o and ends in a y.
You and friends like Liberal Jay, Hussein Obama, Nanny Pelosi and Bawney Frank engage in class warfare. Right-thinking, rational, God-fearing Americans ARE THE MAJORITY in this once-free nation! WE NEED REGIME CHANGE NOW! Anything, but Barry Hussein Obama, the most incompetent “president” in this once-free nation’s history. C’mon, look at how this idiot dealt with Brazil, the Chinese, Fast and Furious and his failed economy. Cut taxes, cut regulation and strengthen energy is the key to prosperity – even for the less fortunte!
Amen,
Bill
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
12:58 pm
But yet it was created to control the masses of folks out there in the dark ages- Peter
Peter,
No doubt. Millions have been killed, enslaved, beaten down, controlled through religion. Organized religion is a man made institution after all. I personally have nothing against religion or deeply religious people who I greatly admire. Monolithic, organized religion I do not trust. Heck I don’t even trust 20,000 member megachurches- especially when the pastors are driving Bentleys and flying Leer jets when people are living in homeless shelters all around them. But that’s just Doomy.
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
12:59 pm
Brocephus,
What was that about pellets and atlantic salmon. I didn’t quite understand you.
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
1:00 pm
Peter
Not when you’re running your own pond, and you know what you’re feeding them. Country folk do things just a wee bit different than city folk.
RB from Gwinnett
December 28th, 2011
1:00 pm
TD “You’re post seems long on hyperbole,rhetoric, and class warfare but woefully short on real world solutions”
Were you really expecting more from this group of liberals? They never really get any deeper than that.
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
1:01 pm
Peter,
I disagree with you about farm raised sea life. My mother will not eat farmed raised Alaskan salmon. The farm raised stocks develop a fungus from being contained unlike live stocks. Additionally if the fungus gets into the wild ocean salmon stocks it could potentially wipe out wild stocks. Gimme my wild fish all day long.
A dad
December 28th, 2011
1:01 pm
getalife – was I talking to you?
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
1:02 pm
Doom
Atlantic salmon is illegal to catch, so any salmon that’s labeled as Atlantic salmon is farm raised. They’re fed pellets that contain pink dye to ensure they have the flesh color that people associate with salmon.
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:03 pm
Scout
In reference to the second link. I’m on the front lines in that one. You have to tred very, very lightly there. I have some real objections to what I see in the “mandated curriculum.” You don’t go countering home teachings willy-nilly, but at the same time you have to be there to answer their questions and to teach them tolerance (I didn’t say “accepatance,” I said “tolerance.”) And that is a two way street.
I try to teach the little ones that they will, ultimately, have to come to their own terms with all this and that they need to listen first and foremost to what their own adults are saying and to think about it.
It’s coming time at school now for the two males on the staff to bring our older boys in for the hygiene lessson…never an easy one!
And as for the bigger questions…well, I’m a Jew. I listen to what they want to know, If it’s biology, I answer from that standpoint. If it’s sociology, I ask them, “well, what do you think?” If they want to know what I think, I tell them, “first ask you parents if I can tell you as a man what I think. If they say yes, then I’ll tell you.” But what’s important is that they feel comfortable talking to me. It gives them the chance to be heard and to put into their words…that’s mostly what they want and need…to be heard and listened to…
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:04 pm
Brosephus… I would grow my own fish if I had the space…….your idea is fantastic, and being self sufficient today is the ONLY way to be !
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
1:05 pm
Kamchak,
You went to all that trouble just to “prove” what a French professor thought Bush said.
Gog and magog is a somewhat common expression picked from the old testament and used to indicate possible serious conflicts Bush indicated that he saw possible conflicts and he was right Conflicts are almost synonymous with the Middle East.
If Bush had used “raising Cain in the Middle East” would you call that religious too?
Bush was indicating how dangerous he thought conditions were in the Middle East. Putting a label on it was not saying it was a religious cause. It was a fairly common descriptive term.
A dad
December 28th, 2011
1:06 pm
Re growing one’s own fish, anyone familiar with hydroponics? Grow fish in a series of tanks in which vrios edible plants are used to filter the water and the fish wastes fertilize the plants. Too bad it’s small scale now, but still you’ve got the issue of what to feed them.
RB from Gwinnett
December 28th, 2011
1:07 pm
BOW – “Cut taxes, cut regulation and strengthen energy is the key to prosperity – even for the less fortunte!”
I disagree. Our less fortunate will continue to be less fortunate for as long as their work ethic continues to earn them less fortunes. The dems you mention are doing absolutely nothing for them to get out of poverty and continuing to lie to them isn’t helping them one bit. They’re addicted to government aid and until they’re willing to admit they have an addiction and do something about it, they’ll never free themselves from that bond.
A dad
December 28th, 2011
1:07 pm
josef – will check your link later. Will I be entertained or simply LMAO?
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:08 pm
Thulsa Doom.. You may have misinterpreted my thoughts……I am only for wild fish as well.
Heck the box of Oysters I shared at Christmas was from Apalachicola. They were fantastic…..
I never eat farm raised fish, unless I get it when out at a restaurant.
Salmon have a natural enemy called a leach….. unfortunately in the areas where Salmon farming occurs, the leaches are in full force, and they are so plentiful, they attach themselves to the smaller wild Salmon, and this is one of the ways the wild Salmon are being killed.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 28th, 2011
1:09 pm
Well, it’s about time somebody started putting the screws to these environmentalists. You can’t even dump a gallon of used motor oil in the sewer anymore without getting the cops after you.
As for the fish that got killed when that paint co. dumped a few hundred gallons of stuff in the river. you don’t go fishing to catch fish anyway. I mean, fishing is for drinking beer and jawing with people. If a fish happens to bite your bait it’s just a rude way of breaking up a good talk. Show me a guy that goes fishing to catch fish and I’ll how you a guy without a life.
Have a good p.m. everybody.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:12 pm
Please Bill Orvis White.. at least talk on one side of your mouth, and without the forked tongue.
You are the guy saying Bill Clinton was horrible, for messing around on his wife, and at the same time saying Herman Cain is different, and a Christian.
Bill Clinton may have been a jerk to his family, and totally self centered, but is no different then Herman Cain..only mush smarter.
Your agenda is for the Rich Right wingers…. you could care about the environment, unless you could make a buck with it.
Religion is YOUR TOOL……..Amen.
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:13 pm
A Dad
“Will I be entertained or simply LMAO?”
Both. Be sure to read him on DADT! Oh, yeah, and the SCOTUS!
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
1:13 pm
Peter
Land is cheap now.
Look into getting you a few acres in the country.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:15 pm
A dad . wouldn’t hydroponics be a wonderfully fulfilling business to own ? Perhaps the waste of another type can be used to feed the fish in a natural way ?
I thought about how to create that venture…..maybe someday someone with deep pockets can try it large scale here in Georgia.
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
1:15 pm
getalife,
Get over it. Some people can tolerate a different opinion. You can’t.
My sympathy to you on your solidified state of mind.
Midori
December 28th, 2011
1:15 pm
Josef -
my boyfriend and I got into an argument last night — you’ll never guess about what
They BOTH suck
December 28th, 2011
1:16 pm
Dusty
“It was a fairly common descriptive term.”
Please provide links and names of those who used these same terms when they spoke of the war in Iraq………….
Can’t wait to see who these people are….
Thanks
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:16 pm
Brosephus…. Great thought, I have a house project I am currently finishing….. That is a great thought, especially if you have the ability to use a stream, or deep well for the water.
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:17 pm
RB
“I think most of their “support” was just packed up and moved out of country.”
I’m afraid you may be right there. However, they’re no dummies. They’ve had the good sense to keep the goodwill of the Israeli’s…and they’ve proven themselves loyal on more than one occasion…
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:19 pm
midori
I have an idea…but tell me!
A dad
December 28th, 2011
1:19 pm
Peter – I’m kind of nervous. RNC might try his hydroponics with used motor oil as fish food. Actually, I had a small scale hydroponic farm decades ago. Grew fish such as smallmouth bass and some south american species known up here as peacock bass and used various herbs (no, not that kind) as the filtering. Sold the herbs to restaurants (this was back at the beginning of Alice Waters fresh from farm to table movement at Chez Panisse). Unfortunately, outside influences and events beyond my control tanked me (pun semi-intended). Was never able to get beyond small scale to make it profitable. But maybe one day….
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
1:19 pm
my boyfriend and I got into an argument last night — you’ll never guess about what
Football bats???
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:20 pm
RB from Gwinnett.. We used to have after school programs for the less fortunate, help them learn, watch the kids so parents, mostly single parents could have their child watched in a positive way.
The Bush administration cut most of that out, along with the funding to the Boys and Girls Clubs of America….heck we needed more OIL and Wars.
Now the parents in a similar situation don’t have that….kids are roaming the streets at an earlier age, learning other TRADES.
Midori
December 28th, 2011
1:20 pm
using the Lord’s name in vain.
Looks like I have to train him some more
A dad
December 28th, 2011
1:20 pm
Dusty – you came to my rescue. Thank you. Guess now I’ll really have to start working on being a gentleman. And growing some roses.
Midori
December 28th, 2011
1:21 pm
Bro — wtf?
what’s this about football bats?
LOL
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:22 pm
A dad…. Sounds like you need to start a web page to help others who want to do that with the information you gleaned from the experience…..perhaps you could parlay that success into the bigger dream ?
Adam
December 28th, 2011
1:22 pm
A dad: I wasn’t saying YOU lived in your mom’s basement etc etc, I was saying you were one step away from laying that charge against ME. So I told you a little about my work situation. I didn’t need to really know yours nor did I think you were without work :p
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:23 pm
Peter
“RB from Gwinnett.. We used to have after school programs for the less fortunate, help them learn, watch the kids so parents, mostly single parents could have their child watched in a positive way.”
We still do…check with your local school and volunteer…we need all the help we can get…
midori
heh, heh! And I assume he was of the orthodox persuasion?
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
1:23 pm
Midori
I was just taking a guess about what y’all got to arguing about. Seems like football bats would cause an argument in almost any conversation.
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:25 pm
A Dad…
Be careful with Miz Dusty…she’ll turn on you in a minute!
Adam
December 28th, 2011
1:26 pm
RB: That would require liberals to admit that Islam isn’t the peaceful religion they all want us to believe they are and there is no way in hell they’re ever going to do that.
That’s because the religion itself is peaceful, and radicals are the problem. Much like people who bomb abortion clinics or shoot abortion doctors in the name of Jesus. I’m sure that makes Christianity, as a whole, “not a peaceful religion,” right?
Our less fortunate will continue to be less fortunate for as long as their work ethic continues to earn them less fortunes.
Or for as long as business owners have this attitude instead of finding out that the common reason for why their employees keep leaving or not showing up for work is something THEY are doing…. And then taking steps to change it once they figure out what the thing is they are doing to drive people away.
Midori
December 28th, 2011
1:27 pm
you guys are a mess!!
off for my walk.
and you guessed correctly Josef
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:30 pm
midori
Tell him I’ve got his back!
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:30 pm
Miz Dusty isn’t that bad.. Yes she has her belief system, no different then anyone here !
Plus she may call you loony or something like that…… but never with anger !
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
1:33 pm
They Both Suck,
I don’t keep track of whom said what about the Iraq War etc. on terms of Gog & Magog, Cain, My Lord, Lawdy, Good God…alll of which are religious types of description and exclamation.
Perhaps you are only interested in concocting blame for Bush & Iraq, on a religious basis. Why is that? .Do you think Obama is keeping US troops in Afghanistan for religious reasons? Was that why he permitted the Libya incidents?
I believe our leaders take all the info given them and then make decisions. Too bad some of you have to indict the president you dislike and support blindly the one you like.
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:35 pm
Peter
“…but never with anger !”
Ha! And with malice aforethought! The aforethought being the key lexical entry…
But, hey, I respect and admire anybody who can quote Shakespeare from memory, knows Milton back and forth, and has read and can quote the Bible and not just for her own ends, but for the sheer poetry…she’s got one of them inferior Southern educations…
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
1:36 pm
Shut yo” mouth, JOSEF! I aint never turned on anybody with good sense!!
They BOTH suck
December 28th, 2011
1:36 pm
Dusty
I asked you to provide evidence to a statement you made.
No need to smoke screen and side step what you posted
You do have evidence to back it up…. right?
Thought so….
Good day
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:36 pm
josef…. ha ha ha you really are pushing the point ?
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:38 pm
DUSTY
And, no, i’m not out to pick a fracas with YOU today! It requires aforethought and I’m on vacation!
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
1:38 pm
LSU – 35
Bama – 9
SoCoBro- Sobbing hysterically. Again.
GT
December 28th, 2011
1:39 pm
Rockefeller is a euphemism for rich not the real Rock, he made his money in the oil business. He made a product.
Never mentioned the word stimulus, just going back to defining this system for winners and losers. We are rewarding losers. The only ones the right sees are the losers at the bottom of the food chain. The problem is not there, they are too easy to define and make easy targets for politicians like Newt, the real trouble is the top, the bus is loaded with pretenders that don’t belong there. The old system would have clean those pretenders out we gave them a pardon undeservingly so.
“U.S. companies are holding more cash in the bank than at any point on record, underscoring persistent worries about financial markets and about the sustainability of the economic recovery.” WSJ Jun 10, 2010, .. you think it has changed?
Nature determines the undeserving. Lehman Brothers was an act of nature. Who determines who survives? Great question that I am sure Lehman is asking. Not that it would have saved them, nor should it had, its seems the ones with political connections were spared, Goldman Sachs alumni making the decisions of who will live and who will die. All the power in the world cannot hold back nature, it will just come out some other place, but the nature of economics is not something to play with. What it has left America is a lot of losers living like winners. Those are the ones in the 1% that will bring us all down, unless we get them first.
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:39 pm
PETER
Yep. Among other things I’m a teacher…I gets real bent out of shape on that one… I take it personally
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
1:45 pm
A DAD
You are beginng to smell like roses.
As Willie Shakespeare said:”He needs no cunning that for truth doth fight!” YES!
Adam
December 28th, 2011
1:47 pm
Haha! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/nikki-haley-south-carolina-phone-greeting_n_1172931.html
Enforced optimism is ALWAYS going to piss off the pessimists, doncha know!
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
1:51 pm
Dusty: Do you think Obama is keeping US troops in Afghanistan for religious reasons? Was that why he permitted the Libya incidents?
I believe our leaders take all the info given them and then make decisions. Too bad some of you have to indict the president you dislike and support blindly the one you like.
My that sounds familiar………….. if only I could remember the person, on this blog, who said if we didn’t support our president we were being unpatriotic. Now of COURSE this was said when Dubya was prez, does that person still feel the same now that Dubya is NOT prez? Hmmmmm not so much.
If only i could rememer who it was that said that………who was it?
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:53 pm
A DAD
Watch her, I’m tellin’ ya….
“And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol’n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil.”
Peter
December 28th, 2011
1:53 pm
josef………What are you taking personally here ? Are you in your own Private Idaho ?
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:55 pm
DDR
Hey, Girl…folks been askin’ ’bout that boa… it’s a relic now…
josef
December 28th, 2011
1:56 pm
Peter
Education….isn’t that the one you intimated I wouldn’t let go? If not, then what I said would make no sense whatsoever, but, then, this is the blog…
josef
December 28th, 2011
2:01 pm
BTW day crew…
Are we to assume that Bosch’s bidness is going well?
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
2:01 pm
Dear Debbie Do Little
ON your lunch break? Perhaps you skipped a line in my post. I repeat: I believe all our leaders take info given them and make decisions..
You think THAT might include Prez Obama? It did. It also included Prez Bush whom you dumped disgust on repeatedly.
Tht is not to say that I agree with all that presidents do. They do make bad decisions sometimes just like everybody. But I still stand by my statement that they draw conclusions from info they receive. Get it?
Adam
December 28th, 2011
2:02 pm
Thulsa: Come up with a clip or an article or ANYTHING that proves OWS calls the rich evil?
Peter
December 28th, 2011
2:03 pm
josef.. OK yes I was……..but hey you were fighting with Dusty as well….. I really thought you should let both go !
I have a buddy who graduated with a Masters in Teaching from Rutgers… he went into the Army and became a Major….after his 20 year stint, he became an Atlanta School teacher. he told me about the “Horrors” of his teaching experience 13 years worth is all he could take.
Well he is retired from both, and lives a nice retirement because of both.
I am sure you are working in a different school situation then he did on the West End.
Darvoset spending
December 28th, 2011
2:03 pm
Deal.. or Nathan Deal?
Adam
December 28th, 2011
2:04 pm
DDR: If only i could rememer who it was that said that………who was it?
You’re implying there was only one?
Peter
December 28th, 2011
2:10 pm
DebbieDoRight .. Not sure you have a clear understanding of the title game.
If Bama could only kick field goals………LSU wouldn’t even be there.
Bama clearly out played LSU, but got unlucky.
I don’t have a side in the issue, but it is really hard to beat the same team twice in a season, and they seem to be very evenly matched.
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm
Brocephus,
I got ya now on the fish pellets fed to atlantic salmon. I kinda wondered why we never ate wild atlantic salmon. I may just go ahead and eat atlantic farmed salmon if its just a dye they feed them and if its raised by American fish farmers. But ya just gotta know the wild salmon has got to be better for you unless of course they have a higher mercury content which I would be curious to know.
Peter,
Thanks for the clarification on the parasite that plagues farmed pacific salmon and then attaches to the wild population.
Debbiedoright,
35-9 LSWho? Surely you jest. Tide rolls in a rematch. Interestingly Bama is favored by 1 in Vegas.
Darvoset spending
December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm
Peter
December 28th, 2011
2:10 pm
Bama clearly out played LSU
If that was true, Alabama would have won.
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm
Darvoset spending,
The better team does not always win the game.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 28th, 2011
2:14 pm
DDR: If only i could rememer who it was that said that………who was it?
Is this where the Church Lady says “Satan!”?
Old Timer
December 28th, 2011
2:15 pm
You’re implying there was only one?
Well, there was one on here who upbraided us repeatedly as being unpatriotic if we criticized Bush and kept saying he was the leader of the country and thus deserving of our support. I haven’t heard that argument from her since—oh, about January 20, 2009. Coincidence? I think not.
GT
December 28th, 2011
2:16 pm
Adam is right, the cons keep trying to rephase our arguments. Rich is great as long as the other side of that equation is it was earned.
Darvoset spending
December 28th, 2011
2:16 pm
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
2:13 pm
Darvoset spending,
The better team does not always win the game.
Yes they do, obviously if Alabama was the better team they would have thrashed LSU.
Peter
December 28th, 2011
2:17 pm
Darvoset spending. did you watch the game ?
It was a spectacular battle, and there should be another as exciting…..The kicking game lost it for Bama.
Again..if Bama hits one of the 4 or 5 missed field goals.they win and LSU is never in the title game.
josef
December 28th, 2011
2:18 pm
Peter
Why should I let anything go? It would be contrary to my ornery, bone gnawing, reactionary nature!
I’ve worked in all kinds of teaching environments…kinder to university, ghetto-trailer trash to high white…each with its own challenges and each with its own rewards…
Right now? In heaven on earth…great site, great parents, great staff and great administration…of course the APS is out to destroy it with the redistricting…