On state DNR board, no future for a ‘green conservative’
Warren Budd, the vice chairman of the state Board of Natural Resources, calls himself a “green conservative” and claims there are a lot of people like him.
A lifelong active Republican, the insurance agent from Newnan is also an avid outdoorsman. “I care about conservation, and I care about this state,” he said in an interview last week. “I represent the average guy who likes to fish and hunt. This is a beautiful state, and I like to think that there will be something of it left for our grandchildren to enjoy.”
However, even though he was in line to become chair of the 18-member DNR board next year, Budd has been informed that he will not be reappointed when his seven-year term ends on Jan. 1. According to Budd, a “green conservative” point of view is no longer welcome by Gov. Nathan Deal, who wants no dissent from a pro-development agenda that favors special interests.
“”They are very into message-control,” Budd said. “They don’t want board members to act like a board.”
Budd acknowledges that as a DNR board member, he pushed the state Environmental Protection Division to move more aggressively in dealing with a major fishkill on the Ogeechee River in May. Tens of thousands of fish were killed along an 80-mile stretch of river, and an investigation traced the cause back to King America Finishing, a textile plant that had been dumping flame-retardant chemicals into the river for as long as five years, undetected and without a permit.
In the end, the company agreed to spend $1 million on environmental projects in the Ogeechee watershed, a small price to pay considering the nature of its violation and the fact it could have been fined more than $90 million. The settlement was strongly criticized by environmentalists, outdoorsmen and civic leaders in the Ogeechee watershed as too lenient.
“We talk about protecting business, but I talked to one bait-shop owner whose business was down 70 percent because of that fishkill,” Budd said. “He’s a businessman too, and he wasn’t alone. A lot of people who make their living off that river were hurt.”
According to Budd, the DNR board has been told it can no longer elect its own officers, and instead those officers will be named by the governor. Deal’s top spokesman, Brian Robinson, says that the board remains free to elect its own officers, but that “several board members have asked the governor for his opinion.” According to Robinson, the governor wants to appoint board members “who are excited team players ready to carry out his agenda for our state.”
“Some are reappointments, some fill openings and some are replacements,” Robinson said. “It’s part of the process. It allows new blood, new ideas and new people a chance to serve the state on a volunteer basis. If anyone on any board considers himself indispensable, this is what educators call a ‘teachable moment.’ It takes an eyebrow-raising amount of self-regard for someone to suggest publicly that, out of 10 million Georgians, only he or she brings a diverse viewpoint to a board.”
While Budd is complimentary to his fellow DNR board members, the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.
For example, Aaron McWhorter, appointed to the board by Deal in May, sells “mitigation credits” that allow wetlands to be destroyed for construction projects, housing developments and, just by happenstance, major reservoir projects. Budd, on the other hand, has expressed doubts about the governor’s plan to build major new reservoirs in north Georgia, noting that such projects destroy miles of streams and rivers. And he believes that the decision not to reappoint him means that such sentiments will no longer be tolerated.
“Governor [Zell] Miller, [Roy] Barnes and [Sonny] Perdue all had diverse boards,” Budd said. “Moving toward a monolithic board is not healthy in a state of 10 million people with all of these competing interests.”
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USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:15 am
Bruno – “No, USinUK, my goal is more meager–to simply get one liberal here to admit that the media in our country is heavily biased toward Democrat candidates. A fool’s errand, I understand…”
again – saying that there are more articles doesn’t say what kind of coverage it is.
for instance: if Obama had 50 articles about his ties to Rev Wright, would you say that was positive media bias???
and, again, considering most election-year articles are horserace articles about how people are doing in the polls, reporting that someone is “ahead” isn’t a matter of bias, it’s a matter of facts.
so, no, I’m not going to “admit” that there is bias – particularly when the “evidence” you site is so weak.
DBCOOPER
December 28th, 2011
10:15 am
Obama Administration + Green = CORRUPT
josef
December 28th, 2011
10:15 am
US and Brosephus…
This prissy f*ggot don’t swim there neither unless I know who’s toilet it is, and generally thass enough to keep me out…
St Simon’s
Pretty much my take on it too…
Speaking of the elders and what they knew…are you familiar with the prophecy and the finding of Sequoyah’s grave and what’s going on there?
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
10:16 am
BILL ORVIS,
Right on man! The balance between the sheep, pigs and dogs has not been balanced in my lifetime…the playing field is too heavily weighted for the pigs who get wealthy with our money who have a love/hate relationship with the dogs. One minute the pigs need the dogs cash, next minute they abuse the dogs via much (not all) needless increased cost of business. Meanwhile, us sheep are completely manipulated and carry the short straw…
Glad you called out this group of mostly self-congratulatory, mutual admiring predicable pundits. I’m wondering why they think businesses are stockpiling a record amount of cash.
Solid play..
GT
December 28th, 2011
10:16 am
Donovan you think the occupancy of a public park by humans equals the damage of polluting a river and killing 80,000 fish. I tell you what, I bet if you stopped polluting the rivers, the air, and warming up the polar caps we could talk those guys into staying at home down in central park. Now if the guys with the tents went away that would have little effect of your torturing our planet, but you my man have the power to really make a difference. You Donovan by changing your soul from that of a pig to that of a caring human being that cares about not only others but the future of this world would be considered a good person. Probably in your case for the first time in your life. Maybe even your own mother might start claiming you. Make a difference in a good way Donovan, repent.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:17 am
“He got back in the boat PRONTO!”
“never get outta the boat”
Obama is a LIAR
December 28th, 2011
10:17 am
All of you Democrats are stupid. Jay Bookman is a paid liar for the liberal democrat party. Obama is dishonest and had a homosexual relationship with a man named Larry Sinclair.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:18 am
“Obama Administration + Green”
Deal is part of the Obama administration???
who knew!
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
10:20 am
Obama is dishonest and had a homosexual relationship with a man named Larry Sinclair.
There’s your sign.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:20 am
josef – “are you familiar with the prophecy and the finding of Sequoyah’s grave and what’s going on there?”
DO TELL!!!
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:20 am
Kam – 10:20 – you think it’s a “sign” comment? I thought it was more of a SQUIRREL! comment, myself …
Adam
December 28th, 2011
10:21 am
USinUK: My goal is also simple. To get conservatives to admit that media bias is actually heavily slanted CONSERVATIVE nowadays, and they should appreciate it and STFU about almost non-existent liberal media bias.
josef
December 28th, 2011
10:22 am
Obama/Liar
“Obama is dishonest and had a homosexual relationship with a man named Larry Sinclair.”
Well, if that IS true and you believe it, then you oughta know you better keep your mouth shut if you wanna keep drawing air…
JOSEPH
I wouldn’t say there’s no place for liberals in Georgia…I’m doing just fine, thankee…
Obama is a LIAR
December 28th, 2011
10:23 am
Larry Sinclair: Obama’s “Drug and Sex party limosine”
GavinVox68
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The ajc is a mouthpiece for the DNC. Jay is bought and paid for by the Obama re-election campaign. David Axlerod is a slumlord owner in Chicago. And he is owned by George Soros just like Obama.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 28th, 2011
10:25 am
I heard Obama’s mother had a heterosexual relationship with a man…….. whatever is this world coming too….. Why next we’ll hear rumors Nixon was gay.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
10:26 am
Kam – 10:20 – you think it’s a “sign” comment?
Abso-freakin’-lutely!
40′ tall pink neon sign with a feather boa.
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2011
10:26 am
Here’s Obama’s “gay lover” — Larry Sinclair. Yup, I can see the attraction there. Poor ol’ Obama didn’t stand a chance.
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2011
10:26 am
Nathan Deal won the governor’s job in an election by the people of Georgia. You liberals are always stating that Bozo won the presidency by a 52/46 margin, therefore, “the people have spoken”. Well, it looks like the people of Georgia “have spoken” as well. Nothing like a little “good old Democracy”. ne-ces-pas?
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
10:26 am
Doggone
I would have advised him of doing such a thing, but I’m not really trying to get scuba certification for myself either. No need for scuba equipment when you’re in a swimming pool.
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
10:28 am
You liberals are always stating that Bozo won the presidency by a 52/46 margin, therefore, “the people have spoken”.
That hasn’t seemed to reach conservative ears though as many still think he’s not the POTUS 3 yrs into his term.
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
10:30 am
DBCOOPER,
BRAVO! Please be advised that you will now get the obligatory request for links supporting your position….I got plenty if needed…
Don’t forget Telecom, Goldman Sachs and other financial service companies…
Tony
December 28th, 2011
10:30 am
It amazes me that the terms “conservation” and “conservative” come from the same root word but so many of you see these concepts as mutually exclusive.
There will be no future development in this state if we kill everything in the name of supporting a business friendly agenda.
josef
December 28th, 2011
10:30 am
USinUk
Sequoyah died on his way to take the syllabry to the Mexican Cherokee and his tomb was unknown. According to the Mexican tradition his tomb would be found by a boy and would be identified by his Congressional medal which he always wore as a sign of the better nature of the white world, and he would be surrounded with his talking leaves. This would be a sign of the ingathering of the Cherokee people and an ushering in of a new age. According to the Mexican Cherokee the tomb was recently discovered by a young boy who is now being groomed for his role. Only when he says so, will the tomb be identified….
Needless to say, the less traditional Cherokee are a bit skepticle and would like to send a team of professional archaelogists to investigate…no small few also want a team of psychologists!
Adam
December 28th, 2011
10:30 am
47% approval. Ohnoes kayaker.
Obama is a LIAR
December 28th, 2011
10:31 am
josef, In Chicago a man named Young was found dead in his apartment. This Mr.Young had a long term homesexual relationship with Barack Obama.The man was shot five times and he was the musical director for Obama’s church Trinity United Chirst of Christ. The corrupt Chicago play to pay police department closed the case because it would hurt Obama’s election because they were paid by Axlerod is what people say in Chicago. Also Rev.Wright is a homosexual.
GT
December 28th, 2011
10:31 am
Bill Orvis White, hold true to your oath my man. You will be among the unemployed ,whose number are weakening, just in time for you to help them out. Like the farmer in south Georgia who lets his crop rot in the field because he refuses to hire illegals or is force by your type to not hire. The competition doesn’t ride that high horse call Hatred, they grow the crops we refuse and that employment of a farmer heads to greener pastures so to speak. Keep leading your type to the fire others are escaping, take some marshmellows with ya.
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2011
10:31 am
Brocephus, 10:28
It appears that many in the liberal camp feel the same way about Deal.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:32 am
kayaker – 10:26 – you might want to look up the word “democracy” as I don’t think it means what you seem to think it means
“According to Budd, the DNR board has been told it can no longer elect its own officers, and instead those officers will be named by the governor.”
Gator Joe
December 28th, 2011
10:32 am
Jay:
The wealthy, corporate Right Wing aren’t concerned about the environment here in GA except to the extent that it can support their industries with water and other natural resources. The outdoors they enjoy probably aren’t here in GA, but rather in more distant, pristine places most of us cannot afford to visit or enjoy. These people will continue to degrade our environment for their selfish aims, while the mindless, ignorant masses here in GA will continue to support them and vote for their bought and paid-for Republican representatives.
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2011
10:32 am
“No need for scuba equipment when you’re in a swimming pool”
Amen to that! But at least we don’t have Mekong catfish here…those suckers get up over 600 lbs!
F. Sinkwich
December 28th, 2011
10:33 am
All you tree-hugging Eco-weenies here are watermelons — green on the outside and red on the inside.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2011
10:34 am
I heard that the poster that calls himself “Obama is a liar”
wears spiderman underpants.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
10:34 am
Lib ilk alert!
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:34 am
“This would be a sign of the ingathering of the Cherokee people and an ushering in of a new age.”
that sounds promising! (and it definitely beats a casino!)
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2011
10:34 am
USinUK, 10:32,
A bit of satire, fair lady…. nothing more.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 28th, 2011
10:35 am
Amazing how many of those Dem presidents are just knocking off people right and left…..why look at them Clintons, Obama….. JFK and Bobby tried but someone got them first. And you know that Carter had to be up to something…. Its only the Republicans who are above all this conspiracy.
Obama is a LIAR
December 28th, 2011
10:35 am
People don’t be fooled again by this frauld Obama. Most of the same bloggers that blog here are stupid liberal democrats or prideful black obama racists.
josef
December 28th, 2011
10:35 am
K’chak
DDR’s still got that boa! I want it back…it’s a relic, now!
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
10:36 am
Obama is a LIAR
Geez….I find your comments a stunning testiment to what appears to fall on the anger side of my feeling wheel. OK, let’s amuse you for a second and assume BO has partaken in less than heterosexual activities…Why would that matter and what impact could that possibly have on anything?
Of course he is a liar…last time I checked he was a politician…..C’mon man, dig deeper into your vast bag of knowledge and amuse us further..
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:36 am
“All you tree-hugging Eco-weenies here are watermelons — green on the outside and red on the inside.”
ohmy … commies???
what year is it again???
WOLVERINES!!!
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2011
10:36 am
Well, Siclair is really no better looking than Bebe Rebozo and
according to recent news he and Dick Nixon played some slap and tickle….
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
10:37 am
People don’t be fooled again by this frauld Obama.
Where’s frauld?
I thought he was kenyan.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:38 am
“Most of the same bloggers that blog here are stupid liberal democrats or prideful black obama racists.”
(pssssst … it looks like someone’s been hitting the ‘nog pretty heavily this morning)
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
10:38 am
Obama is a LIAR
Seems like you and few others are concerned with Obama’s sexual identification. Who Cares about who he’s doing???
kayaker
I’ve seen that. I have no problem with Deal being governor. I just question the moral compass of those who voted for him. Dude has a cloud of ethics surrounding him that would make pig pen jealous, but that’s just my view.
Doggone
Saw those on River Monsters. No way in hell you’re getting me anywhere near that river. I don’t think I’d do it in a boat.
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2011
10:39 am
“Granny craps her pants and smells them.”
And 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
lynnie gal
December 28th, 2011
10:39 am
This state is dominated by Republicans who convince the Orvis’s of the world that they don’t need clean air, water, trees to live. Check your grade school biology books–they tried to educate children that indeed they do need clean air, water and trees to survive. Oh, that’s right–Republicans don’t believe in science. So, let’s challenge them to hold their breath and do without drinking water for a few days to prove that humans don’t need those things. I encourage every Republican to take that challenge. Pleez?
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2011
10:40 am
Obama is a LIAR, 10:36,
A bit over the top, wouldn’t you say? I don’t agree with her a lot of time either but even this band of thieves has some standards.
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
10:40 am
OBAMA IS A LIAR,
“All democrats are stupid”…so you think they have a corner on the stupid market? Let’s see, Dan Quayle, George Bush, Ralph Reed…this is no small, distinguished list.
Guess it depends on what your definition of “stupid is” is…
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2011
10:40 am
Obama is a Liar
Yep, but i poop rose petals…..
josef
December 28th, 2011
10:40 am
USinUK
Casinos? Oh, I don’t know…I’m like Unmentionable…just call it guilt gelt and come on in! The buffalo’s back!
RB from Gwinnett
December 28th, 2011
10:42 am
I thought for sure Jay’s post today would be about Pelosi’s educational vacation experience getting to know the 1%. You gotta wonder how welcome the other guests make her feel when her parties entire platform revolves around shafting them as much as possible.
Do you think she took up a collection from the ones who agreed they aren’t paying their fair share?
Adam
December 28th, 2011
10:42 am
The interaction between Obama is a liar and Granny means it’s time for a new thread,
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2011
10:43 am
“Si[n]clair is really no better looking than Bebe Rebozo”
I couldn’t help but notice those refined facial features. That delicate nose. That piercing gaze. That intelligent look. It’s not any wonder, then, that he won Obama’s heart. How could he not?
GT
December 28th, 2011
10:43 am
kayaker 71 I gladly give you Deal as the majority of this state in his thinking. He is the poster boy of the bottom in jobs, education and government corruption. The majority voted this dude into office, and I imagine a lot of them favor his immoral and failed policies. To keep company with this snake and publicly admit it may be the only honest thing you do this year Kayater 71 which is a step in a long journey but a step in the right direction.
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2011
10:44 am
Brochephus, 10:38,
“I just question the moral compass of those who voted for him”. Wow, you hit the nail on the proverbial head. I have also wondered the same thing but applied to our President.
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 28th, 2011
10:44 am
josef-sequoyah- whoa, you’ll have to update me on that one.
I heard there was a legend, but that’s all…
obama is bi? man that adds new horsepower to the pahtayy
on the WH lawn dis November. First, Snoop dogg, now thiiiis.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
10:45 am
“just call it guilt gelt and come on in! ”
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
10:46 am
LYNNIEGAL,
Wow, quite dramatic wouldn’t you agree? You may be surprised that many NEOCONS or otherwise GOP wingnuts are concerned about the environment but draw the line at believing an immature science called climatescience beyond a shadow of a doubt….wanting more solid connection to what’s man-made.
Now I will run put on my wetsuit so to accomodate the blathering shout downs I will enjoy from those who think the science is infallable and no limits should be placed on the amount of other peoples money, increased cost of goods sold et al to attempt to rectify a problem that may not truly exist…
Such global statements are not much fun…
Matti's Grasp of Reality
December 28th, 2011
10:51 am
….the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.
Nothing new here. This is how it works when corruption is applauded as a virtue by the so-called “values voters.” What a joke. If you can’t value this lovely, bountiful corner of the earth God made for us, and protect it like a good steward should, and protect God’s creatures who RELY on clean air and water, (opting instead to favor lining the pockets of corrupt politicians and their donors), then I want nothing to do with your “values.” YUCK!
Bill Orvis White
December 28th, 2011
10:52 am
@Stevie Ray
James Trafficant, Algore, Bubba Clinton, Keith Olbermann, Nanny Pelosi, Hairy Reid, John-John Edwards, Bawney Frank, Sheila Jackson Lee, Ed Shultz,Cynthia McKinney, Jimmah Carter, Dick Gephardt, Max Cleland, Denny Kucinich, Rachel Maddow, Billary Clinton, Al Franken, John Lewis. What do they have in common? All dumb naive secular-communistic September 10th McFly Socialist-Democrat party members.
@Granny
Judging from these posts, you most likely defecate rose petals in jail cells after you’ve been arrested for protesting a rightfully-placed nuclear power plant.
Amen,
Bill
kayaker 71
December 28th, 2011
10:52 am
Queen Nancy….. our revered House minority leader. That evil 1%. How can she tolerate them? With a net worth of over 58M and climbing…. one of the biggest hypocrites in the political game. I have stayed in the hotel she is occupying in Hawaii. Nice digs. Not something that the “average liberal voter” could quite afford, but what the hell. Even has run up a 34K bill for local protection, paid for by Hawaii taxpayers, while on the Big Island, just to tour the sites and say hello to the little people. Just warms your old heart, don’t it.
carlosgvv
December 28th, 2011
10:53 am
Adam – 9:27
Are you saying the media has sold out it’s principles for money? Gasp!! Say it ain’t so Joe!!!!!
A dad
December 28th, 2011
10:54 am
josef: re your 9:55, got a cite for that (aka Granny Gomer – the “hootie hoot” reminded me of Gomer Pyle, ergo the name change). And re the dam inspections, reminds me of “noodling” for catfish. Can any true Southerner enlighten me as to how that practice came to be? Must’ve involved a whole lotta shine and then some….
Adam
December 28th, 2011
10:54 am
Stevie Ray: The problem definitely exists. Here is the progression:
Step 1) Introduce a study that attempts to determine the causes of a warming overall climate and greenhouse effects. Get shot down when the result is that CO2 causes said effects.
Step 2) Finally get agreement that CO2 causes these effects, then get shot down when it is suggested man has anything AT ALL to do with it.
Step 3) Finally get agreement that man has SOMETHING to do with it, but get shot down when it is suggested that the man-made cause is much more than negligible. Get shot down with stupid arguments like “it’s not really ‘man made’” or “There’s nothing we can do about it!”
Step 4) Finally get agreement that man is a major cause, get shot down when anything at all is suggested to fix it.
Step 5) Finally get agreement that we should fix it, quibble over the details while the earth burns.
You seem to be at Step 3. Try to keep up.
Adam
December 28th, 2011
10:55 am
kayaker: That evil 1%
Proof, once again, that only conservatives label the 1% or rich people as “evil.”
josef
December 28th, 2011
10:57 am
St Simon’s
There’s a lot here, so scroll around…
http://www.cherokeediscovery.com/
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2011
10:58 am
BOW
I think the only rightly placed nuke plants are right next to state capital buildings with an office wing for our government officials.
josef
December 28th, 2011
11:00 am
A Dad
Noodlin’ is an inheritance from our Indian past…
Bill
Still reelin’ ‘em in for Jesus, ‘ere ye?
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
11:01 am
First and foremost I think the guy who owned and authorized the paint company dumping chemicals into the watershed needs a healthy asswhupping. We need to just start throwing people that do crap like that in jail. A 1 million dollar fine seems ridiculously light also.
One thing that’s always bothered me is why we don’t start throwing white collar criminals in jail. If you steal a candy bar at Walmark you go to jail. If you can’t account for 1.2 billion missing dollars or if you ruin a watershed you don’t go to jail. Doesn’t seem right. And ruining that watershed is a form of grand theft. You’re stealing from the plants and animals that we are entrusted to be good stewards of- particularly the dead fish and you’re stealing from people who enjoy using the rivers and streams for recreation.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2011
11:02 am
Thulsa Doom @ 11:01
Bravo!
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
11:02 am
Bill Orvis White
I’m not a supporter of any of those you mentioned but I’m certainly not going to confuse the label of “stupid” or “dumb” on any soley due to them not agreeing with my politics.
ADAM,
I don’t disagree but I don’t think its prudent to rush to judgement on this issue until we can rule out, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that these are not natural cycles. Good news is that it looks like credible scientists from both sides are starting to play nice in the sandbox so perhaps some of these doubts may get sorted out…you can’t argue that Climate Science as a science is relatively new and has predicted very little of consequence in it’s current infancy…
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
11:03 am
sweetjeebus, Thulsa … we agree on something …
glad I was sitting down …
GT
December 28th, 2011
11:04 am
Stevie Ray the problem with the GOP debating science is they don’t believe in it, as if it were some kind of Mormon religion where the choice is theirs. When they take the time, they are usually like most are doing now, looking for an excuse for their conclusion, instead of having an open mind. This is how FOX News was developed. No reality will change the conclusion. Soap operas and wrestling depend on the same formula. So do politicians like Newt.
Adam
December 28th, 2011
11:04 am
USinUK @ 1103a: That’s pretty much what I was thinking too…
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
11:04 am
Proof, once again, that only conservatives label the 1% or rich people as “evil.”- Adam
Adam,
I don’t know how but somehow you did manage to miss all those OWS protestors making speeches about the “evil” 1% and how that evil 1% meeded to be eaten, thrown in jail, stripped of their wealth, etc. Missed that did ya?
bluecoat
December 28th, 2011
11:05 am
ORIFICE I think Nanny pelosi was your surrogate mother and fed you naturally.(bf)Also your are pissed because you are forced to reclaim your waste product.You bitch about leaving our children debt,but want to leave them a polluted world.You want our country to become more red,the world to become more red,like the red planet.Sometimes I think you may be an alien,but not hispanic,outer space.Maybe just outer.Never see a R you don’t love.Talk to woodrow,listen to him,you need help.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
11:06 am
kayaker – did you hear the point as it went whistling by you???
as one of the wealthier members of the house, at least she’s willing to tax HERSELF … as opposed to the GOP who want the “little people” to carry the burden …
Adam
December 28th, 2011
11:06 am
Yes, Thulsa, I missed the massive amount of speeches and mentions of the word “evil” in those speeches. Don’t suppose you have a link? The fake anti-Semites don’t count.
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
11:07 am
ADAM,
I’m trying to keep up and not put my political leanings in front of conclusions that are not supported by credible, accurate as opposed to conjectured, input. Why don’t you do the scientific thing which is suspiciously missing on the left side…that is to do everything in your power to disprove your own conclusions…if you can’t, then you got something. That’s how science works…take your feelings and predictable political leanings out of the equation…read conclusions of the opposite opinion of yours….
Sinoman
December 28th, 2011
11:07 am
Don’t punish the workers by levying a fine. Prosecute the head honcho(s). Put them in prison.
Had Toni Vernelli gone ahead with her pregnancy ten years ago, she would know at first hand what it is like to cradle her own baby, to have a pair of innocent eyes gazing up at her with unconditional love, to feel a little hand slipping into hers – and a voice calling her Mummy.
But the very thought makes her shudder with horror.
Because when Toni terminated her pregnancy, she did so in the firm belief she was helping to save the planet.
Desperate measures: Toni Vernelli was steralised at age 27 to reduce her carbon footprint
Incredibly, so determined was she that the terrible “mistake” of pregnancy should never happen again, that she begged the doctor who performed the abortion to sterilise her at the same time.
WHACKOS!
Adam
December 28th, 2011
11:10 am
Stevie Ray: that is to do everything in your power to disprove your own conclusions…if you can’t, then you got something. That’s how science works…take your feelings and predictable political leanings out of the equation…read conclusions of the opposite opinion of yours….
Contrary to what you may think, I do read opposing opinion. But reading opposing opinion is a far cry from being scientific. I leave the rigorous scientific testing and attempts at disproving to the people who do it for a living. What is surprisingly missing from the Climate Change denier side is any real science at all. I only see opinion and half-baked “disproofs” that don’t stand up to peer review at all.
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
11:10 am
GT,
Yes the right wing-nuts of religious (superhero) persuation scare the heck out of me and I don’t trust anyone who pushes that Christian thingy into politics. However your statement is too general as most of the population who takes time to think about each issue (small number admittedly) are actually like me and are in the middle….Not all folks leaning right on some issues can be painted by your roller brush..
josef
December 28th, 2011
11:10 am
Obama/Liar
So, the Bruin is in the pay of Soros? Does that make him a member of the International Zionist Nazi Jew Bankers?
Matti's Grasp of Reality
December 28th, 2011
11:11 am
Granny: I think the only rightly placed nuke plants are right next to state capital buildings with an office wing for our government officials.
Great idea!! Bonus: make THEM drive to East Bumfrig to the office everyday, and ease traffic somewhat for people who actually work for a living.
Thulsa @ 11:01,
I agree. So why do think the people of Georgia keep voting for corrupt money-grubbers who protect polluters instead of those who would prosecute them to a more effective extent? Why do they keep vilifying environmentalists and conservationists?
Stevie Ray
December 28th, 2011
11:13 am
ADAM,
Read deeper…I’m sure we will fight many other days on this topic but I gotta take off…
Last query, are you 100% certain that man is the culprit for your current alleged crisis? Folks who want more solid connection between man and the alledged crisis are not lesser in intellect, just cynical to a reasonable doubt…most of us anyhow.
Anyhow, good to spar with you and catch you next time around..
GT
December 28th, 2011
11:13 am
Stevie Ray since the right does not believe in science they become the other side of a scientific equation. The left inspired by no political motivation sees the result of the world warming and points it out. The right inspired by no scientific knowledge declares the left wrong solely because of political motivation.
USinUK
December 28th, 2011
11:13 am
Sinoman …
quoting the Daily Mail???
oh, yeah … THAT’S a credible source …
Brosephus
December 28th, 2011
11:15 am
One thing that’s always bothered me is why we don’t start throwing white collar criminals in jail. If you steal a candy bar at Walmark you go to jail. If you can’t account for 1.2 billion missing dollars or if you ruin a watershed you don’t go to jail. Doesn’t seem right.
When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase.
Adam
December 28th, 2011
11:16 am
Stevei Ray: Last query, are you 100% certain that man is the culprit for your current alleged crisis?
A culprit, yes. A major one. But not the only cause. However, it is the only cause we can control, and the effect is way more than negligible.
I do find it difficult to understand how, with the data of how much CO2 there is in the air, and the agreement that this is, in fact, a greenhouse gas, and that man is adding lots of it to the atmosphere, that one does not understand that a reduction of our CO2 output is a GOOD thing. The only reason I can see NOT to do something about that is special interests and money.
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
11:16 am
Granny and USinUK,
I’m not that far left on green issues. I just think that on issues such as Deal’s panel we need to have some more diversity of opinion. Believe it or not I don’t trust a band of developers and real estate interests making decisions without the input of everyday, fair minded citizens. I don’t trust professional environmentalists either who don’t have a regular day job. The developers want to develop everything and anything with reckless disregard and the professional greens want to stop any and all development for no other reason than to stop it. I think we just have to have a happy median here with the input of everyday people who like to hunt, fish, camp, backpack, and hike is taken into account. Clearly on Deal’s panel this is not the case. As for the paint company owner I’m sure I’m not the only con who would probably like to smack the owner around a bit. At least I hope I’m not.
Paulo977
December 28th, 2011
11:17 am
the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.
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kayaker 71
December 28th, 2011
11:18 am
USinUK,
“Willing to tax herself”…… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH That’s almost as funny as Bookman’s thread today. With our tax code, these people of money have in inside track to what is shoved into their jeans, just like all the rest of the 1% in this country. Most of her income is probably from long term capital gains, just like Warren Buffet, and taxed at 15% rather than 35%. I am surprised that you would defend the old War Horse. And BTW, her suite at the Four Seasons is only costing 10K/night. All in all, with plane fare and all, plus her entourage, it should cost about as much as Bozo’s digs in Kailua….. a cool 4M. Ah, but these overworked, over stressed politicos need their rest, now don’t they?
Peter
December 28th, 2011
11:18 am
Bill Orvis White… The Devil is your friend, and any folks who care more about money then folks in general. Government is here to stop folks like you, who would prey off the less fortunate.
Real Scootter
December 28th, 2011
11:19 am
When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase.
Sad,but true.
Granny Godzilla
December 28th, 2011
11:20 am
Thulsa
I’m with you on the developers….
Passed another pasture yesterday that’s being subdivided into single family lots and wonder who the hell is going to buy those houses?
Thulsa Doom
December 28th, 2011
11:20 am
“When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase.”
Brocephus,
Well Bro I think that about sums it all up. True dat.
getalife
December 28th, 2011
11:20 am
Jay,
Since you are flush with Soros cash, I think bloggers should be compensated like celebrities with twitter.
Let’s say a grand per post?
A dad
December 28th, 2011
11:21 am
Stevie Ray – won’t work (re trying to disprove one’s own side). I tried to get people to research things for themselves yesterday and got reviled and scorned. Funny thing though. Some of my best college and grad school proofs never answered our questions with anything other than a question. They made us go out and find our own answers. It was learning at it’s best.
BTW. all you serial repeat bloggers, don’t you have jobs?
Josef, Thulsa, td, Adam, Bro, US, GGomer, been fun. Gotta run.
josef
December 28th, 2011
11:22 am
Brosephus
“When you’ve bought the best politicians your money can afford, you reap the benefits of your purchase.”
And the dollar just don’t buy as much as it used to…
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 28th, 2011
11:23 am
you got it, noodlin’ is injun for “too hungry to waste time
building a fishing pole”, although noodlin for sharks caused us
to rethink that position