On state DNR board, no future for a ‘green conservative’

Warren Budd, the vice chairman of the state Board of Natural Resources, calls himself a “green conservative” and claims there are a lot of people like him.

A lifelong active Republican, the insurance agent from Newnan is also an avid outdoorsman. “I care about conservation, and I care about this state,” he said in an interview last week. “I represent the average guy who likes to fish and hunt. This is a beautiful state, and I like to think that there will be something of it left for our grandchildren to enjoy.”

However, even though he was in line to become chair of the 18-member DNR board next year, Budd has been informed that he will not be reappointed when his seven-year term ends on Jan. 1. According to Budd, a “green conservative” point of view is no longer welcome by Gov. Nathan Deal, who wants no dissent from a pro-development agenda that favors special interests.

“”They are very into message-control,” Budd said. “They don’t want board members to act like a board.”

Budd acknowledges that as a DNR board member, he pushed the state Environmental Protection Division to move more aggressively in dealing with a major fishkill on the Ogeechee River in May. Tens of thousands of fish were killed along an 80-mile stretch of river, and an investigation traced the cause back to King America Finishing, a textile plant that had been dumping flame-retardant chemicals into the river for as long as five years, undetected and without a permit.

In the end, the company agreed to spend $1 million on environmental projects in the Ogeechee watershed, a small price to pay considering the nature of its violation and the fact it could have been fined more than $90 million. The settlement was strongly criticized by environmentalists, outdoorsmen and civic leaders in the Ogeechee watershed as too lenient.

“We talk about protecting business, but I talked to one bait-shop owner whose business was down 70 percent because of that fishkill,” Budd said. “He’s a businessman too, and he wasn’t alone. A lot of people who make their living off that river were hurt.”

According to Budd, the DNR board has been told it can no longer elect its own officers, and instead those officers will be named by the governor. Deal’s top spokesman, Brian Robinson, says that the board remains free to elect its own officers, but that “several board members have asked the governor for his opinion.” According to Robinson, the governor wants to appoint board members “who are excited team players ready to carry out his agenda for our state.”

“Some are reappointments, some fill openings and some are replacements,” Robinson said. “It’s part of the process. It allows new blood, new ideas and new people a chance to serve the state on a volunteer basis. If anyone on any board considers himself indispensable, this is what educators call a ‘teachable moment.’ It takes an eyebrow-raising amount of self-regard for someone to suggest publicly that, out of 10 million Georgians, only he or she brings a diverse viewpoint to a board.”

While Budd is complimentary to his fellow DNR board members, the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.

For example, Aaron McWhorter, appointed to the board by Deal in May, sells “mitigation credits” that allow wetlands to be destroyed for construction projects, housing developments and, just by happenstance, major reservoir projects. Budd, on the other hand, has expressed doubts about the governor’s plan to build major new reservoirs in north Georgia, noting that such projects destroy miles of streams and rivers. And he believes that the decision not to reappoint him means that such sentiments will no longer be tolerated.

“Governor [Zell] Miller, [Roy] Barnes and [Sonny] Perdue all had diverse boards,” Budd said. “Moving toward a monolithic board is not healthy in a state of 10 million people with all of these competing interests.”

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USinUK

December 28th, 2011
6:40 am

welp, I’d love to say I’m surprised by how anti-environmental the Deal administration is, but I’m really not.

I was shocked, however, at how lenient the punishment was for the paint company that dumped toxic waste into the river – $1M??? talk about chump change. but, of course, that still won’t dissuade the “corporations can police themselves” brigade …

Normal

December 28th, 2011
6:50 am

A grand morning to you USinUK!

From below…had a wonderful family time…the last will be leaving tomorrow. Ladders? Don’ need no stinkin’ ladders…I got Grand Kids…up until this year, a wasted resource. :D

As to the grenade thing…it was a dud…as quickily as Jay changed the topic, one would think he’s against freedom to worship what you want when you want. :)

anyway…oops!

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2011/12/28/pagan-students-and-public-schools/

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
6:55 am

Normal – :lol: – never underestimate the power of family labor!! :-) it’s cheap and can usually be had for baked goods …

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
6:57 am

Normal – this was our house on Boxing Day …

http://icanhascheezburger.com/2011/12/27/funny-pictures-welcome-to-the-boneless/

(not so much cats, but 1 dog + 2 very tired hoooomans)

DeborahinAthens

December 28th, 2011
7:02 am

I said it before and will say it again, Deal is a crook and a liar. It will be interesting (terrifying) to see what this bad businessman, snatched from the jaws of bankruptcy, will do to repay his donors. How much money did King America Finishing give to Republicans in general and Deal in particular? Since the previous crook in charge already built a Fish Museum in the middle of nowhere, one wonders what wonders Deal will pull out of his b#**. Like our good friend Saxby Chambliss, as long as you keep giving back to your corporate owners, you most likely will get re-elected, no matter what your morals might be. The bad thing about living in a democratic republic is that you get exactly the representation you deserve. We don’t need no stinking clean air and water!

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:05 am

USinUK,
Your 0655…Absolutely! We had a combined baking day and decorating day, all ending in laughter and a good meal.

Boxing Day, is that before or after Christmas Day?

…and as to your “boneless” pic, wait until tomorrow, then that will be the wife and me too!

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:06 am

DeborahinAthens

December 28th, 2011
7:02 am

You are correct, but a majority of Georgians DID elect him…go figure.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:10 am

Normal – Boxing Day is the day after Christmas – (traditionally, the day that people gave their servants off) …

and, speaking of servants … the Downton Abbey Christmas special was FAB!!! (I understnad that Season 2 of DA will begin airing in a couple of weeks – I hope they end your series with this episode)

Bill Orvis White

December 28th, 2011
7:13 am

I have found some of the best deer hunting in North Georgia where my aunt lives – so I believe that I protect nature BY KEEPING THE DEER NUMBERS DOWN. Let WE THE PEOPLE, small businesses and corporations live free in the environment. I don’t need a state or federal government to tell me how I should act in the great outdoors. So, this Budd fella doesn’t feel welcome in Mr. Deal’s administration. Big deal-this guy sounds like a good Southerner and conservative, but he is yesterday’s news. The honorable Gov. Deal needs to appoint someone who is looking into the future with a pro-business/pro-growth agenda who can stare down the enviro-whackos and say “NO!” to them. The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago – so why do we need more regulators throwing out draconian fines on perfectly good businesses? We need common sense regulation reform where big gov’t isn’t choking off business and job$. It sounds like the Robinson fella who speaks for the Georgia governor is a man of integrity, fine character and a person who is standing up for an honest governor and the regular people in the state.
Amen,
Bill

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:14 am

Emphasis mine…

According to Budd, a “green conservative” point of view is no longer welcome by Gov. Nathan Deal, who wants no dissent from a pro-development agenda that favors special interests.

[...]

the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded.

For example, Aaron McWhorter, appointed to the board by Deal in May, sells “mitigation credits” that allow wetlands to be destroyed for construction projects, housing developments and, just by happenstance, major reservoir projects.

Anyone here still want to defend this criminal skank you elected governor?

Hey, at least he wasn’t one a’ them godless librul baybee-killin’ DEMONCRAPZ, right?

But tell the truth–Did you have any other earthly reason whatsoever to vote for Deal? Any at all?

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
7:15 am

” the truth is that the 18-member panel charged with protecting the state’s environment has long been dominated by developers, real estate interests and business people, with conservationists and environmentalists all but excluded. ”

So as far as for what’s left of Georgia’s beautiful environment

DNR stands for

DO NOT RESUSCITATE.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:15 am

Anyone besides the cartoon conservative Orvis, that is?

Anyone?

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:16 am

USinUK,
I DO believe that Josef is right about Bill Orvis. Grand satire at it’s best. He is the master…

Good one today Bill!

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:21 am

“The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago”

pay no attention to that pesky Ogeechee fish kill …

or this one http://www.gpb.org/news/2011/10/18/new-fish-kill-in-east-georgia

or this one http://www.gofishn.com/ned/reports/14904-fish-dying-mysteriously-are-puzzling-georgia-officials

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:22 am

Normal – 7:16 – he’s no redneck.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
7:23 am

What a Real Deal! Free fish that you don’t even need a fishing pole to catch.

Scott

December 28th, 2011
7:25 am

“Who are excited team players ready to carry out his agenda for our state”…great…more people who can’t think for themselves, and would rather just lock-step follow our governor’s orders. I’m just getting more and more proud of the political process. Argh.

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:26 am

USinUK,
Have you seen Matilda, The Musical yet?

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:29 am

Normal – 7:26 – screw Matilda – I’m trying to get a few folks together to see War Horse in the theater before we see it in the movies.

http://warhorselondon.nationaltheatre.org.uk/

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
7:38 am

“The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago”

Because of the toxic scum in the GOP???

NO, sir. Quite the opposite.

It is almost solely because of the Sierra Club and the Georgia Conservancy in conjunction with the Environmental Protection Agency, the US Fish & Wildlife Service and the United States National Park Service, among others.

Liberal organizations that actually care about stewardship, education regarding and protecting our natural resources FROM Republican scum.

And these neo-con frauds and enemies of the environment have the balls to call themselves conservative??

They conserve nothing. They preserve nothing. They’ve never met an ecosystem they wouldn’t gladly destroy with toxins and poisons; and they treat our land, air and water like nothing more than a giant dumping ground.

The only green thing they care about is made of paper and has pictures of dead men on it.

And only in Republispeak is the word environmentalism considered a slur.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:46 am

“They conserve nothing. They preserve nothing. ”

yes, these “godly people” think that it was all put here for them to use/abuse as they wish, with no thought to leaving it to their children’s children’s children …

Normal

December 28th, 2011
7:46 am

WOW! “War Horse” on stage. That would be worth seeing for a number of reasons… :)

Denny

December 28th, 2011
7:47 am

Just who do you think enforced the Democrat passed rules to clean up our air and water?

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
7:49 am

“Just who do you think enforced the Democrat passed rules to clean up our air and water?”

No, but if you can tell us who didn’t in the case of the fish kill we’d be all ears.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:49 am

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:51 am

And only in Republispeak is the word environmentalism considered a slur.

True dat.

Really, until that party gets its head out of its butt and recognizes that our environment is OUR here-and-now PERSONULL ‘SPONSIBILITY, there will be no reason to take any of its members seriously, on any level.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
7:51 am

Is Denny REALLY going to attempt to defend the Republicans for their stewardship of the environment! Don’t even.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
7:54 am

“Just who do you think enforced the Democrat passed rules to clean up our air and water?”

someone obviously didn’t read the column in question …

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
7:55 am

yes, these “godly people” think that it was all put here for them to use/abuse as they wish

“God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, ‘Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.’”

—Annthrax, Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
7:58 am

Jay nice story. Its not limited to the DNR. There are a few other “boards” that do not “regulate” but rather are there for the big interests. To hell with the small businesses.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
7:58 am

Over-regulation is what killed those fish. If they had not been required to swim there…

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
7:59 am

USinUK, some of them pay empty lip service to the next generation.

These are very little men of no long term vision. And this topic, as much as any other, demonstrates it.

It would not surprise me at all if one day some Republican lackey proposes building a manufacturing facility right smack in the middle of Yellowstone. Or Yosemite. Or…

No place is special to them and no place is worthy of protecting.

It makes me wonder if these belching smokestacks of human beings can even consider what kind of planet will be left to those seven generations from now. Hell, they can’t see past next quarter’s P&L statement.

As for keeping Georgia’s awesome rivers clean and unspoiled? Puhleeze. These pro-pollution Republicans could give a flying ____…

Lord Help Us

December 28th, 2011
8:02 am

Take away the oversight and regulation and I am sure that King America Finishing would have policed themselves MUCH better. Also, I am sure the free enterprise system punished them for their transgression, thus the self policing nature of free economics shines yet again.

Yes, we definitely need less regulation.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:05 am

Ok, it’s off topic and soap opera-y, but seriously–am I the only one who heard about Anonymous’ smackdown of StratFor and chortled loudly when recalling our “@@’s” unconditional love for that particular organization?

GT

December 28th, 2011
8:05 am

We are one of the poorest states in the union. Warren Budd finds himself in a place many educated ex Republicans from Georgia find themselves, a man without a party. This crowd very much like the Dixiecrats behind them think poverty and ignorance is a badge of honor. Lets make Georgia the dumping ground of this nation, lets move into this trash dump, wrap a blanket around ourselves and feel like we are the king of all we see. The only force that has ever moved these mentally handicapped people was the Baptist Church, which they have narrowed into a filter of what the masses can learn and do. The only traits of Jesus they seem to exhibit are the ones that relate to poverty. Just being poor won’t get you into heaven, and ignorance is no protection from His law.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:06 am

Jay, you might also note that Mr. McWhorter is also member of the Residential and General Contractors Board….. the one that licenses general and residential contractors.

Chronos

December 28th, 2011
8:06 am

Jay, you and the AJC have little future either.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:06 am

Ok, it’s off topic and soap opera-y, but seriously–am I the only one who heard about Anonymous’ yuletide smackdown of StratFor and chortled loudly when recalling our “at-at’s” unconditional love for that particular organization?

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:07 am

Jay, you and the AJC have little future either.

Chronos, welcome to the blog.

So which domestic terror organization do you happen to belong to? The Chamber of Commerce, perchance?

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:10 am

Most animals have enough sense to not take a dump in their own drinking water. Then again, just think of the opportunities. All the water testing to make sure it’s safe for human consumption and all the filters to make it sort of safe for human consumption, depending on what’s in it, and all the doctor visits to figure out what, if anything was or was not fit for human consumption and all the lawyers and court visits to determine why the person or persons did not know better than to drink the water in the first place and to determine how much the person should be forced to pay the limited liability corporation for their pain and suffering from any potential loss of sales. Don’t you guys care about jobs!!!

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:10 am

stands, that new blogger is probably a member of the governor’s staff…. you know the ones that exclude news reporters who don’t report things the way the governor likes.

retired early

December 28th, 2011
8:12 am

If you want more examples of Republican conservative ECO values, look no further than their Presidential front runner….Ron Paul. What a joke…and he leads pack.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:12 am

Most animals have enough sense to not take a dump in their own drinking water.

Most, but not all…

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
8:13 am

stands

boy do i remember that…

and yes it was worth a chuckle.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:14 am

Who cares about the environment when you have money, amirite cons?

ProgressivePeach

December 28th, 2011
8:15 am

A Republican is shocked, shocked to discover his party is bought and paid for by big business? How naive can this guy be?

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:16 am

GG, if at-at’s account got compromised, and, say, Planned Parenthood wound up with, say, a $10K cash transfer from her account…

boy howdy, that’d be so wrong.

Right?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:17 am

The fact is that our air and water are cleaner than they were 40 years ago

This argument is like saying “whites only” signs are ok now because we haven’t seen them for a few years, and the free market will stamp out anyone who uses them. YEAH RIGHT.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
8:18 am

stands….

i take the fifth.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:19 am

stands, Granny: :D

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:19 am

that new blogger is probably a member of the governor’s staff….

But surely a member of some domestic terror organization as well. Perhaps ALEC?

Small business owner

December 28th, 2011
8:21 am

Tell ya what, give it all back to the Democrats. I am in the process of fixing accounting for the taxes we pay to go up to 48%. Attn people, there will be no hiring here in 2012 and I dont forsee keeping all that I have.

Go vote some more democrates into office. Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:22 am

Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

not intended to be a factual statement.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:23 am

Adam, I dont think Billy will ever make the connection that it was regulations and laws that cleaned up the rivers and waters, not the “free market”. “So why do we need more regulators throwing out draconian fines on perfectly good businesses” — he cannot fathom that that perfectly good business violated law for 5 years and polluted those waters and harmed other “perfectly good businesses” in doing so as well as people (but who cares about people, corporations are people now!)

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
8:23 am

“Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.”

Well, Obama will!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:25 am

Go vote some more democrates into office. Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

Seems like there’d be some Demcrates (rhymes with Socrates???) and Obama with jobs, so you’re assurance is very questionable there.

Just sayin’

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:25 am

Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

I am again reminded of a bumper sticker everyone here should buy and paste on their car:

http://www.zazzle.com/gop_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_to_put_one_bumper_sticker-128944374900409113

Darwin

December 28th, 2011
8:26 am

It has been my personal experience that most, if not all, Republicans could care less about the environment. Not because of jobs. They simply don’t care about the environment. I mean, they don’t care about anything that doesn’t affect them directly (e.g. gas prices, taxes, guns).. It’s sad because most of these people have kids. It’s like they don’t care about the kind of world they’re leaving for their kids. Very strange place we live in.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:26 am

I am in the process of fixing accounting for the taxes we pay to go up to 48%.

Are you by any chance related to Samuel Wurzelbacher?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:27 am

Demcrates (rhymes with Socrates???)

Dem-crah-tease…. I like it!

with jobs? Heck everyone knows those aren’t REAL jobs….

DawgInaTruck

December 28th, 2011
8:28 am

As I read stories like this I realize more and more I am a voter without a party. I am a conservative who loves the outdoors and grew up hunting and fishing as much as anything. We were always taught to do both responsibly; the harvesting of wildlife for food not only helps feed your family, and as long as you don’t ‘over-hunt’ or ‘over-fish’ you do nothing to negatively impact that wildlife.

Allowing any company to dump any kind of chemical into our waterways with little or no punishment is shameful at best and appointing a development-heavy board to oversee our natural resources is nothing more than putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.

With great reluctance I voted for Governor Deal in the last election. I didn’t see much of a choice but come on; if you can’t manage your own finances how can be you be entrusted with the state’s finances? I won’t make the same mistake twice.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
8:29 am

Stands, that one is probably Bill Looman’s brother. :D

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:30 am

Gas prices are currently staying at about the same price or lower for the past few weeks. So how come I don’t hear the resounding “It’s Obama’s fault!” When that happens, but we are SURE to hear it when Iran cuts off the oil pipeline thanks to a bill that passed with over 400 votes from Congress?

Oh let me guess, it’ll be because we haven’t built our OWN pipeline yet, and also it’s all Obama’s fault that Congress practically unanimously voted diplomacy out and sanctions in.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:30 am

GT

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

These boys in this Republican Party of 2011 counter every argument with the Bogeyman is going to get you. Then one day we wake up and find they are the Bogeyman they warn us about. We have entrusted our lives and future to the very group of self interested individuals that have no conscience in the path of what they desire.

I remember the Tea Party leader in Ohio who tried to bully our president into explaining his comments to a public forum on why he called the Tea Party terrorist. He followed Obama around as he shook hands like a thug in a parking lot practically spiting on him, while egging him into a fight. He demanded to know why the president had identified him and his party as terrorist.

When all this clears, history will show a few men caused this, like a few men caused segregation and a few men caused the death of six million Jews. History lies, this stuff is caused by mass support, like a lynch mob, stupidity raises up in all of us. Leaders should not be part of common stupidity more less lead it and us. The results are historic.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

dB – 8:16 – (chuckling)

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

Small business owner, isn’t there some Georgia river you should be dumping poisons into?

You maybe small (and semi-literate!) but you can do your part!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

I didn’t see much of a choice but come on; if you can’t manage your own finances how can be you be entrusted with the state’s finances?

Ummm, I think you did see a choice, but you decided to override your gut instinct. I’d advise to always go with the gut.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:31 am

Go vote some more democrates into office. Rehire Obama. Nobody will have a job, I can assure you.

Apparently that line of “thought” works on those self-proclaimed “conservatives” of the Republican faith.

Finn McCool (Run Newt, run! You da man!)

December 28th, 2011
8:33 am

I don’t need a state or federal government to tell me how I should act in the great outdoors.

Yeah, we don’t need a state or federal government to tell businesses how they should act in the great outdoors – they can decide for themselves where to dump their waste matter!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:34 am

Adam

You got the pronunciation wrong. It’s de-mah-cruh-tees. :)

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
8:34 am

as far as the “nobody will have a job EVAH” post …

dude, seriously??? from the 48% to the “I assure you” – proof positive that you need more fiber, cuz, my friendly, you are SERIOUSLY full of something …

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:35 am

that one is probably Bill Looman’s brother

now, now.

Looman *might* not be flat-out lying about how he’s na gone hire nobody long as that uppity ni*CLANG* is in office.

“[not]Joe the [not] Plumber” did, in fact, flat-out lie about being in a position to buy a business that would bring him a projected $250K of annual personal income, in order to get his fifteen minutes of fame.

Therein would lie the difference.

Not So Casual Observer

December 28th, 2011
8:35 am

Only a group of liberals could find humor in the theft of personal information by criminals. But why not? Liberals by definition are criminals – the entire group loves stealing the money of those who achieve.

Buyer's Remorse

December 28th, 2011
8:36 am

DawgInaTruck RE: I won’t make the same mistake twice.

After 2008 I believe you have a great bumper sticker for 2012 !!!

DawgInaTruck

December 28th, 2011
8:36 am

Brosephus, unfortunately you are right. I remember telling my wife it was like choosing the lesser of two evils. No one to blame for this one but me.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:36 am

USinUK: proof positive that you need more fiber, cuz, my friendly, you are SERIOUSLY full of something …

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Pass the screen cleaner….

Adam

December 28th, 2011
8:37 am

Hey where’s kayaker? 47% approval to 45% disapproval for Obama. OHNOES!

ragnar danneskjold

December 28th, 2011
8:38 am

The King American Finishing spill settlement, condemned within the essay, reveals the deficiency in leftist governance theory. Impoverishing a business, even a rogue business, is a brainless model – it allows the powerful to merely buy their way into law violation. The fine should not have been even $1,, and the state board ought not have the power to levy a fine. Rather the culpable – in this case, the plant manager – should be serving jail time, if the allegations of discharge were provable at trial.

Rather than whine about various overlords losing their privileged positions, the more appropriate approach is to highlight the frequent deficiencies in state performance (did not the essay suggest that this vital DNR agency failed to detect discharge for as long as five years?) One comes to expect incompetence in government, and those overlords in charge for that period ought to lose their jobs. A more effective cure would be to abolish the “permit” system, and allow local DAs to prosecute spills.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:38 am

dude, seriously??? from the 48% to the “I assure you” – proof positive that you need more fiber, cuz, my friendly, you are SERIOUSLY full of something …

I try to tell people when they come here not to drink the water but do they listen!

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:39 am

Dawg

Not to blame you personally, but that’s what happens when you have a nonchalant voting public. Most voters are utterly clueless until it’s time to go into the booth. Then they are utterly clueless and a decision maker. If people demanded more and held their elected officials more accountable, then there’s a chance to break that lesser of two evils cycle. As long as people sit on their hands and allow business as usual, nothing’s gonna change.

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:39 am

Only a group of liberals could find humor in the theft of personal information by criminals.

No, not in theft of personal information. Specific harm to a whiny, drama queen douche-bagette who went by a screen handle she’d picked so it couldn’t be Googled?

Who couldn’t respond to anyone’s post without making at least one attack on that person’s character?

Yeah, we think it’d be funny.

And you can bite me if you don’t like it.

DawgInaTruck

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

Remorse, how’s this?

“I got a Raw Deal the first time. I won’t make the same mistake twice.”

willydoit?

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

I hear the president of King America Finishing is a democrat

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

“Rather the culpable – in this case, the plant manager – should be serving jail time, if the allegations of discharge were provable at trial”

Sure, because putting someone in jail is going to go SUCH a LONG WAY towards paying for the clean-up, right?

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

Let’s play finish the sentence!

“One comes to expect incompetence in government……”

When one elects anti government republicans.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:40 am

Not so casual,

I know where you can get some free fish although I would not recommend wading out there without some serious skin protection.

carlosgvv

December 28th, 2011
8:41 am

Big Business doesn’t just own House and Senate Republicans. They also own Republicans at the state level as well. It’s clear Deal is bought and paid for by Corporations. It’s also clear that Georgia has a majority of dirt road dumb voters who will gladly re-elect him and all his cronies in the State Legislature. Georgia is usually at the bottom in most areas, but in The Dumbing Down of America, we are champs.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:42 am

Impoverishing a business, even a rogue business, is a brainless model – it allows the powerful to merely buy their way into law violation. The fine should not have been even $1,, and the state board ought not have the power to levy a fine. Rather the culpable – in this case, the plant manager – should be serving jail time, if the allegations of discharge were provable at trial.

Unsportsmanlike bullsh*t!!!!
Just as I’d expect some republogist to come here and post it, you never fail to amuse me. You’d rather businesses turn your drinking water into something that incinerates your body as soon as you consume it, and then blame the person for drinking tainted water instead of making sure the people responsible for it pay for what they’ve done. Reading your posts helps me understand why this country is in such a sh*thole nowadays.

USinUK

December 28th, 2011
8:42 am

“Yeah, we think it’d be funny. ”

I second that emotion

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:43 am

republogist

heh.

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
8:44 am

…and allow local DAs to prosecute spills.

Bwahahahaha!

Like the Randians and their fellow pro-poison, environmental-criminal coddlers would be all over that, huh?

Can you imagine the outrage from rags the very first time there was a $100,000,000 fine levied against one of Georgia’s ecoterrorist organizations like King America Finishing???

They would have a cow and blame the cops instead of the criminals. (It’s the Republican way, doncha know?)

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:45 am

dB

I thought I’d shorten republican appologist. too many darned letters.

Repeat

December 28th, 2011
8:46 am

Brosephus — “Most voters are utterly clueless…” Truer words were never written —

From 1811/0311 –

“Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to lead, are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.”

stands for decibels

December 28th, 2011
8:48 am

a system of government where the least capable to lead, are elected by the least capable of producing

yeah, I think I heard this before…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GBAsFwPglw

ragnar danneskjold

December 28th, 2011
8:49 am

Good morning Brosephus, minor correction, I am a conservpologist, not a republogist – I highlight the absence of intellectual-clothing among those bureaucrats you admire so.

Brosephus

December 28th, 2011
8:50 am

Repeat

Scout would be one of the last posters I’d quote. Seems like, according to his definition/your quote, GA’s ineptocracy is due to the republicans incapable of producing here. Accordingly, they’re being rewarded with goods and services that have been confiscated from producers, such as me, who have to bust their ass working hard 5 days a week, every week, just to stay afloat.

(ir)Rational

December 28th, 2011
8:50 am

AmVet – At least if we had a cow, we could eat. ;)

Seriously though, it isn’t the amount of the fines that bother me (although, $1 million in this case seems to be more in the realm of what I would expect to pay, not what I would expect a corporation to pay), it is how they’re spent. If the funds were diverted directly to enforcement costs and rehab costs (in this case, it seems they funneled the $1 million into direct conservation/clean-up efforts which is good) then I would be all for it. If the money simply goes into the general fund to be played with by the politicians then I’m completely against it. I have an inherent distrust for politicians when it comes to them having anyone’s money. And while I don’t agree with Deal on this matter, I guess if it is allowed under law, it is his prerogative to do this, doesn’t make it right, but it only makes it wrong emotionally. Sadly, I voted for the guy, but for me it wasn’t so much about voting for him as it was for voting against Roy (who I have personal reasons for disliking).

ragnar danneskjold

December 28th, 2011
8:51 am

Dear AmVet @ 8:44, I should have known better than to look at one of your posts, which seemingly missed the heart of my argument on the futility of fines. Happy New Year, see that nothing has changed in the quality of your work.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
8:52 am

Impoverishing a business, even a rogue business, is a brainless model

Very clever of you to work Sarah Palin into that sentence as you did.