Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest

In November, 58 percent of voters in Mississippi rejected a so-called “personhood amendment,” which stated that human life begins at the moment of fertilization and gave human embryos all of the legal protections of a person. Destroying an embryo by any means would be considered murder.

The amendment would have outlawed abortion even in cases of rape and incest, as well as embryonic stem-cell research. According to personhood backers, it would also affect birth-control methods such as the morning-after pill, the IUD and even the standard birth-control pill, which works by preventing the fertilized embryo from attaching itself to the uterus. As a practical matter, its adoption would also halt in vitro fertilization to help childless couples.

Nonetheless, four of the top five candidates for the Republican nomination — Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry — last night publicly committed themselves to the cause of personhood and to the candidate pledge promoted by Personhood USA.

Mitt Romney has ducked the issue, arguing that human life begins at conception but concluding that such decisions should be made at the state rather than federal level. Jon Huntsman has said the personhood movement “goes too far.”

– Jay Bookman

527 comments Add your comment

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
4:03 pm

Does foetal “personhood” mean a pregnant woman gets to vote twice? Once for herself, and once as proxy for her foetus?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
4:04 pm

Can you say “dog whistle”…. Jay, you forgot to mention Perrry changed his mind after watching a movie….think of what could be done if he had to watch some Michael Moore documentaries. :lol:

Adam

December 28th, 2011
4:05 pm

Doggone, DDR: See what i mean?

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
4:05 pm

Well, at least John Huntsman has a functioning brain.

Adam

December 28th, 2011
4:06 pm

The Personhood thing is particularly interesting, and shows just how out of touch these people are with a majority of ALL Americans. Even in MISSISSIPPI they wouldn’t pass this thing!

Adam

December 28th, 2011
4:07 pm

TaxPayer: Well, at least John Huntsman has a functioning brain.

Which is exactly why he won’t be nominated.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
4:08 pm

…..four of the top five candidates for the Republican nomination — Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry —

We’ve seen this movie before. It’s called Dumb and Dumber. Although they are making a sequel called “Dumb & Dumber Dates Gidget” subtitled “How the GOP Got They’re Groove Back To The 16th Century”

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
4:09 pm

Talk about your Republican invasion of the bedroom.

“You had sex last night and we got it all on tape,” said the Republican bedroom monitor. “If you fail to produce a child, you will be charged with murder and sentenced to death.”

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
4:11 pm

Doggone, DDR: See what i mean?

Yep – left you a post on the other thread. Will repeat it here:

God Adam! I’ve never even THOUGHT about that! (Even though I should have). Their (repubs) strategy, I guesss, is like water wearing down a rock. You don’t notice it, but slowly and effectively that once big strong rock is now just a little pebble.

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
4:11 pm

“Which is exactly why he won’t be nominated”

Unless it becomes a case of “last man standing”

carlosgvv

December 28th, 2011
4:11 pm

If there are still any doubts that the crazed Christian Tea Party has taken over the Republican Party, this “candidate pledge” should dispell them. How many of you conservatives here honestly want your Government to outlaw the morning-after pill, the IUD, birth-control pills and in vitro fertilization? Just how far does your zeal to have a lighter shade of pale in the White House go?

Adam

December 28th, 2011
4:11 pm

We’ve seen this movie before. It’s called Dumb and Dumber.

“Hey, you wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?…”

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
4:14 pm

Adam: The Personhood thing is particularly interesting, and shows just how out of touch these people are with a majority of ALL Americans. Even in MISSISSIPPI they wouldn’t pass this thing!

They HAVE to follow lock step with what their masters (T-Party) wants. If not, then they’ll have to turn back in all their bribes and drive a beat up old Ford instead of a brand new made in Japan Toyota.

St Simons - we're on Island time

December 28th, 2011
4:14 pm

if they’re hitting this button this early, they know they have a problem

atta boy, mittens, what a principled stand, that mushy squishy terd.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
4:15 pm

That’s one of the reasons none of the top four will be winning the White House.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
4:16 pm

Oh and again I say….

Abortion is legal in this country because conservative women want that right too.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
4:24 pm

Granny: Abortion is legal in this country because conservative women want that right too.

Word. And both cons and dems want access to birth control. No one wants an unwanted pregnancy and the best way to stop it is by birth control.

godless heathen

December 28th, 2011
4:25 pm

They are idiots and I disagree with all four of them. But I would probably still vote for them over the Chosen One 7 days a week.

Sortta like all the liberals that voted for Obama although he opposed same sex marriage.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:25 pm

Perry said he had a ‘transformational moment.” I do not believe he said “I thought about it” which would have gained him even more headlines.

Jay

“Mitt Romney has ducked the issue, arguing that human life begins at conception but concluding that such decisions should be made at the state rather than federal level.”

Why is that a duck? He stated his view and he said states should decide what their standards are. If he’s been pushing Federalism than it’s consistent.

And where is Scout when we need him? I wanted to needle him about having four Republican contenders being more conservative than he is. Then again, I don’t think any of them can top “Kill the mother and justify it by calling it self defense” either. Now THAT would have made for some great followups at the next debate!

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:26 pm

Oops – misspoke – it was “Kill the BABY and justify it by calling it self defense.”

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:28 pm

Granny

Saw a Sunday morning show that related how Betty Ford was so pleased with Roe V Wade for bringing abortion out of the back alleys and into the hospitals where it’s safe. Then again, according to today’s Republicans, the Fords weren’t real Republicans, anyway.

carlosgvv

December 28th, 2011
4:28 pm

Granny – 4:16

I wish I could agree with that. Unfortunately the large number of women in the crazed Tea Party indicate otherwise.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
4:28 pm

And once again we are confronted with Republicans who proclaim the value of life “at any age” but are only committed to protecting and providing for the survivability and quality of that life until the time of birth….. after that, you are on your own, subject to Republican contempt and indifference.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:30 pm

godless

“But I would probably still vote for them over the Chosen One 7 days a week. ”

Then you’ve separated yourself from Newt. He flipped and flopped again, said in debates how any of the candidates would be better than Obama, yet yesterday/day before said that wasn’t true of Ron Paul.

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
4:30 pm

Good grief, people. Have you lost your minds completely?

This amendment would not even pass in Mississippi and you act like it covers the country.

Presidents do NOT make amendents. Congress makes them and the people vote on them. You STILL live in a free country and I wish you would stop acting like you don’t.

Presidental candidates voice their opinions. If you don’t like them, don’t vote for them. But trying to criminalize them makes you the criminal.

The biased hogwash here is deplorable no matter where you were taught it or what ticked you off. You fell for Bookman’s red meat like a pack of wolves. I thought you had a little more sense than that. You don’t.

Granny Godzilla

December 28th, 2011
4:32 pm

Paul

Betty was great wasn’t she.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:32 pm

Hi Dusty

From downstairs: Pres Obama is Pres of the USofA, which includes Hawaii, so his security costs are citizen-provided.

Perry’s governor of Texas, campaigning to leave Texas. BIG difference. We cut teacher pay here yet he runs up hundreds of thousands paid for by taxpayers for his security detail and won’t pay for it with campaign funds.

Libertarian

December 28th, 2011
4:32 pm

Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry- Come one, we know these three don’t stand a chance.

Also, I thought the birth control pill prevented ovulation. Not “preventing the fertilized embryo from attaching itself to the uterus.” If one doesn’t ovulate, there is nothing to fertilize.

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
4:33 pm

Speaking of losers who have zero chance of winning the White House in 2012, is Herman’s campaign still “suspended”?

LOL…

Jay

December 28th, 2011
4:33 pm

Paul, Romney is ducking the issue because he will not say whether he agrees or disagrees with the personhood approach. He is also not consistent on the federalist approach. For example, on gay marriage he wants a constitutional amendment defining it as between a man and a woman.

godless heathen

December 28th, 2011
4:34 pm

That’s right Keep. We do all we can to make the babies suffer. I like to take them out and dunk them in the polluted river behind my plant in my spare time. All us Republicans are just wealthy, polutting baby haters.

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
4:34 pm

Criminalizing the “opinions of candidates”? Oh what nonsense.

Midori

December 28th, 2011
4:35 pm

They are idiots and I disagree with all four of them. But I would probably still vote for them over the Chosen One 7 days a week.

are you calling Obama the “chosen one” because sane people have the capability of choice?

Keep Up the Good Fight!

December 28th, 2011
4:36 pm

Heathen: All us Republicans are just wealthy, polutting baby haters.

Well identifying your problem is Step 1….. 11 more steps to go. :D

Midori

December 28th, 2011
4:39 pm

Jay

December 28th, 2011
4:40 pm

The Pill does attempt to prevent ovulation, LIbertarian. Should it fail to do so, it then inhibits attachment of a fertilized egg to the uterus as a fallback.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:41 pm

Jay

Thank you for the information. Seems like a no-brainer position to just say, when asked “are you nuts?!!?”

I’d be interested to hear reporters ask candidates who support an amendment defining marriage as between a man and a woman if they’d also support as part of the constitutional amendment defining same-sex unions as civil unions with all the rights and responsibilities of marriage. Seems like an obvious question.

jconservative

December 28th, 2011
4:41 pm

“…zeal to have a lighter shade of pale in the White House…”

Best comment today carlosgvv!

The SCOTUS says there is a Constitutional right to an abortion. It is being trimmed around the edges but is still intact.

But the Big Government Liberals have mounted a campaign to substitute the judgment of Government in place of the judgment of the Individual. There has been and will be a continual “war” to try to trim the rights of the Individual as guaranteed by the Constitution.

dw

December 28th, 2011
4:43 pm

+1 jconservative

Carlos hit the nail on the head

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
4:44 pm

Paul,

I’m glad to hear that Hawaii is paying for Secret Service and AirForce One and crew and all those little niceties like the early visit by Michelle and kiddies. We should thank Hawaii for thier kindness. Maybe the profits from hotel charges will offset their losses.

OH, I’m sure Perry is just making inspection and encouragement talks around the country like President Obama is doing (when he’s on the mainland). I guess it is all a matter of how your accountant wants to call it. Or to which political party the reporters come from when they are “reporting”.

Politics are crazy, especially in the world of so called journalism.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
4:46 pm

Midori @ 4:39 Good one!! :lol: :lol:

josef

December 28th, 2011
4:46 pm

JAY

From downstairs…got back from some errands and found that belated Christmas present from you, of all people! No, I had never seen it and have only given it a first read. I’ll definitely be coming back to it. There’s hope for you yet on broadening your orthodox, conservative Sharia view! And you can rest assured I will be back with you SE on this.

Seriously, Mate, this is one of the best things anybody ever referred me to, And, bottom line for here and now, I can pretty much see it turning out that way.

Jay

December 28th, 2011
4:49 pm

Josef, I know you could see it happening. I can’t.

Anything predicated on the claim that a victorious Robert E. Lee would proclaim the end of slavery is more fantastic than any Star Wars movie. But I did think you’d enjoy it…. :>)

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
4:50 pm

What I really want to do is push granny’s wheelchair off the cliff after I cancel her Medicare and her Social Security payments. I want her to stand in line with her food stamps to buy dog food. If Granny can’t pull herself up by her bootstraps, she doesn’t deserve to be called an American. I want all Muslims deported from this country after all of those despicable Mexicans and other Latinos have been sent home. Then I want to reduce the income tax rate for all of my rich friends to 5% and let those “losers” who don’t pay any federal income tax pay more than Warren Buffet’s secretary. I want gun ports cut into the walls of my house so that when the Black invasion comes to my neighborhood, I will be prepared. Maybe if we could just get all of the white people in the neighborhood together, especially all of those with fully automatic AK-47s, before it happens, we will have an advantage. If all of this doesn’t work, then I think we should establish our own country where we don’t have to deal with all of those people who don’t work, have baby factories in their own welfare provided homes and refuse to follow Michelle’s edicts on losing weight. Guess that about does it for my Republican platform. Think I’ll do well in Iowa?

jconservative

December 28th, 2011
4:52 pm

From the Pledge:

“I believe that in order to properly protect the right to life of the vulnerable among us, every human being at every stage of development must be recognized as a person possessing the right to life in federal and state laws without exception and without compromise.”

Doesn’t this mean that every person in the US is entitled to whatever is necessary to maintain and protect his life? Like, for example, Obamacare? Or maybe better yet, a national single payer system? No matter if they are citizens or illegal aliens.

If I have the “right to life” and get sick and have no insurance the government will take care of me. Correct? It is stated in plain language, “without exception and without compromise.”

Socialism!

josef

December 28th, 2011
4:53 pm

ADAM

“Even in MISSISSIPPI they wouldn’t pass this thing!”

ESADI you ignorant twit! What do you know of the people of Mississippi? Obviously not very much to come in with that particular little piece of narrow-minded bigotry. And Granny’s Mississippi manners training prevent me from saying what I really thin.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
4:54 pm

I’m glad to hear that Hawaii is paying for Secret Service and AirForce One and crew and all those little niceties like the early visit by Michelle and kiddies. We should thank Hawaii for thier kindness. Maybe the profits from hotel charges will offset their losses.

You know I’m trying to remember, but I just dont believe that I read a disparaging word against Dubya by Dusty when he was out campaigning and/or vacationing….has anyone else?

i also do believe I didn’t hear word one when the secret service had to be split in half to accomodate the twins going to two separate colleges, taking two separate vacations for spring break and/or coming home to visit the old folks at two separate times!!

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:55 pm

Dusty

“’Im glad to hear that Hawaii is paying for Secret Service and AirForce …We should thank Hawaii”

Don’t forget to thank all the other states!

And…. no kidding here…. Gov Perry justified having the Texas taxpayers pay for his detail by saying “I’m going around telling the Texas story. It’ll be good for business.”

Something good may come out of this. Perhaps, just perhaps, Texas voters will be too embarrassed to reelect him.

josef

December 28th, 2011
4:55 pm

DSUTY

Take your “even in Mississippi” and choke on it, too!

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
4:57 pm

I see kayaker doesn’t want to change a thing.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
4:58 pm

josef!

“ESADI you ignorant twit!”

I just knew I’d seen you before!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80nW6AOhTs

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
4:59 pm

Amazing,

I am a Republican and I have never seen or been to a T Party rally or even read their information. They are obviously a group with strong resolutions but they do not make them for me or anybody that I know.

To say that T-Party makes the “rules” for Republicans is like saying “rules” for Democrats are made by protestors. Neither one is true and to keep on saying it won’t make it true either.

Can’t you people think for yourself instead of following the straight propaganda such as Bookman writes? He is paid to be a liberal columnist and that is what he writes and it better be liberal.

But you are not paid. Think for yourself. Mob personality is pitiful.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:00 pm

k71: Guess that about does it for my Republican platform. Think I’ll do well in Iowa?

you’d become their eternal hero…………

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
5:02 pm

Everyone knows that it is Grover Norquist that makes the Tea Partying Republican’s rules regarding taxation.

Beverly Fraud

December 28th, 2011
5:04 pm

How much better would the world be if only Marty McFly had convinced Doc to add a mobile clinic to his DeLorean so we could perform RETROACTIVE abortions on Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry.

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:07 pm

JAY

I disagree entirely on that one. I think he would have. Like Johnson (Lyndon that is) he knew his people, he knew the wrong of the situation and he had the courage (of Johnson) and the respect (not Johnson) to pull it off. Also, he would have had the backing of a wide range of leaders who had been calling for emancipation for various reasons, such as Judah P., Patrick Cleburn, Gayarre, and, yes, Nathan Bedford Forest. Given that any such Southern Republic would have been heavily under the sway of the military elite, the generals would have had strong influence and have held the slavocracy in check…and remember, they were not very well liked by the population at large and were only 20% of the population…

But, again, we’ll discuss this elsewhere…right now I’m off on another crusade courtesy of YOU! :-)
Yes, and thank you for the presentation of the Mississippi vote as if it had taken place in any of the other 49. That was noted and appreciated.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:07 pm

Dusty: This amendment would not even pass in Mississippi and you act like it covers the country.

Dusty you seemed surprised that some of us are amazed that 4 of the top 6 repubs running support this ammendment. Why? As you know, a president may not enact ammendments but he can shape ammendments to coincide with his policies. For instance, OBAMACARE. Remember that?

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
5:07 pm

Debbie Darling,

U still stuck on Bush I see. (Did you know he choked on a pretzel once? ). Secret Service protected the Bushes on their vacations in Crawford, Texas in their home there. We are talking about VACATION expenses, hon. Keep your eye on the ball, not the past president.

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
5:07 pm

Debbie, 5:00

If you really believe that, you are much less intelligent than I think you are.

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
5:08 pm

“so we could perform RETROACTIVE abortions ”

What?! And deprive ourselves of some much-needed comic relief?

JohnnyReb

December 28th, 2011
5:09 pm

The time for “choice” is prior to the sex act. However, like most things in life there are exceptions. BTW, that’s why some humans excel past others – the ability to reason.

I must agree the personhood movement goes too far. I can’t help but believe that if a daughter or daughter in-law of one of the candidates were to become pregnant due to rape they would be backpeddling.

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
5:09 pm

Debbie,

Who can forget ObamaCARE as much as we try? It was still passed in Congress with much arm twisting and promises. Let us move on to what is done by the constitution, not what you would like to change in election time.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
5:11 pm

Our President Obama has certainly earned his vacations with his family after his hard work training the house Republicans and taking out bin Laden, etc. Republicans should be honored to help pay for his vacations, wherever they may be.

TGT

December 28th, 2011
5:12 pm

If a woman were raped and got pregnant, which one would you kill a) The baby, b) the rapist, or c) both?

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:12 pm

DDR

Caught your Christmas story downstairs! :-) Just hang the boa from the rearview and tell them I said go and adopt a few laying by the wayside… you’ll take them for a ride in the minivan and teach them style and panache as a good Auntie should… :-)

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
5:14 pm

JOSEF

Are you hitting the booze again?

Mississippi was the state mentioned in the blog statement. That is how it came up. If it had been South Carolina, my reply would have been no different. It is the fact that it was something that was NOT even passed in one part of the country while this piece would make you think it is an earth moving event. It was not. Just more propaganda here. No other word for it.

JohnnyReb

December 28th, 2011
5:14 pm

I see Grover has been brought up. I heard his explanation of why Republicans don’t want to compromise. I am paraphrasing (is that spelled right?), but basically it goes please tell me how to compromise when both parties are in Dallas; one wants to go to LA and the other ATL?

Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)

December 28th, 2011
5:15 pm

Well, I’m all for turning these women that have abortions into criminals. Just don’t use my taxes to support all those ba**ard kids. These women had all the fun, let them support them.

Have a good night everybody, especially all the people in Mississippi. No use in getting josef mad at me even more. Little touchy, ain’t he?

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
5:15 pm

“If a woman were raped and got pregnant, which one would you kill a) The baby, b) the rapist, or c) both?”

If you kill a baby, that’s murder. A foetus is not a baby.

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
5:19 pm

TAXPAYER…sigh..

Presdient Bush “took out” Saddam. Did you ever show YOUR appreciation? Or did you join the liberal protestors at Crawford and shout for “joy”?

kayaker 71

December 28th, 2011
5:19 pm

Bozo and Queen Nancy can go to Hawaii and spend all the money they want. Bozo spending the taxpayer dollar and Queen Nancy spending some of that 58M of net worth that she has accumulated since becoming a House member. All I ask is that they don’t make fools of themselves criticizing all of those evil 1% who also spend 10K/day on THEIR vacation digs. Hypocrisy at its best/worst. Their mono-syllabic voter base might just catch on….. now if they just knew who our Vice President was.

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:21 pm

DUSTY

Nope. It’s that little word “even.” It speaks volumes. Even if I am from there and d*mned uppity about it, I would have said (and have said) the same thing when somebody says “even in South Carolina.” Like I said, choke on it. Propaganda, you say, well you’re falling for it hook, line and sinker on that “even” cr*p…

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:24 pm

Dusty: debbie Darling,U still stuck on Bush I see. (Did you know he choked on a pretzel once? ). Secret Service protected the Bushes on their vacations in Crawford, Texas in their home there. We are talking about VACATION expenses, hon. Keep your eye on the ball, not the past president.

Which vacation expenses are you harping about Dusty? What did the Obama’s do? Charge their hotel cable bill to the people or did they charge all the tips?

Kamchak

December 28th, 2011
5:24 pm

Nope. It’s that little word “even.”

Would you prefer, “especially”?

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:24 pm

Duk-sha-nee

A little touchy, hell, I’m a lot touchy!

TGT

December 28th, 2011
5:25 pm

So Doggone, what is the difference between a foetus and a baby?

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:25 pm

K’chak

I’d prefer “in Mississippi.” Just like if it were “in Massachusetts” or “in Minnesota.”

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:27 pm

RIP
Cheetah…age 80, loved fingerpainting and football…a great American…

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
5:28 pm

“So Doggone, what is the difference between a foetus and a baby?”

You know the answer as well as I do.

TaxPayer

December 28th, 2011
5:28 pm

Presdient Bush “took out” Saddam. Did you ever show YOUR appreciation? Or did you join the liberal protestors at Crawford and shout for “joy”?

Dusty,

I show as much appreciation for GW as you do for our President Obama.

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
5:29 pm

fetus – noun
The embryo of a mammal in the later stages of development, when it shows all the main recognizable features of the mature animal, esp a human embryo from the end of the second month of pregnancy until birth

baby -noun
an infant or very young child.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
5:29 pm

TGT

If there’s no difference, then why the need for the Personhood Pledge?

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:30 pm

josef: Caught your Christmas story downstairs! Just hang the boa from the rearview and tell them I said go and adopt a few laying by the wayside… you’ll take them for a ride in the minivan and teach them style and panache as a good Auntie should…

HA!! good advice! The thing that gets me though is that we AGREED before we got married on no children. He already had 2 and I wasn’t interested in having any of my own. NOW all of a sudden, (every since he’s been hanging out with me and my neice and everyone thinks she’s our daughter), he’s been tripping!

I have 5 brothers and I’ve never heard ONE of them say that they ever wanted more than one child. I sometimes think Dudley is a mutant from planet What The Hell Is He Thinking.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
5:30 pm

AmVet

Oh… sorry… didn’t realize that was a serious question.

But I gotta say, when it comes to mental development, there apparently isn’t much difference for some between a fetus and a baby.

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:33 pm

DDR

Tell him what a girlfriend of mine told her husband, “the baby factory has been outsourced. Go get one from China.”

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:35 pm

So Doggone, what is the difference between a foetus and a baby?

Google is still your friend.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:36 pm

Tell him what a girlfriend of mine told her husband, “the baby factory has been outsourced. Go get one from China.”

HA!! And then we’d REALLY be like the sitcom “Modern Family!”

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
5:38 pm

JOSEF,

Have read your little quibble over “even”. Now hear this:

Do not, as some ungracious pastors do,
Show me the steep and thorny way to heaven;
While like a puff’d and reckless libertine,
Himself the primrose path of dalliance treads,
And recks not his own read.

I really like Willy Shakespeare.

Scrape'em All

December 28th, 2011
5:41 pm

We have this statistic on the number of babies due to rapes.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061114200923AAy5zMs
The rest are caused by allergies, one or the other party allergic to latex and lamb’s skin…

TGT

December 28th, 2011
5:41 pm

“You know the answer as well as I do.” I don’t know what you know, and,contrapositively, you don’t know what I know. Why are you avoiding the question?

“If there’s no difference, then why the need for the Personhood Pledge?”

Because Roe v. Wade allows for recognition of a difference.

Abortion advocates frequently focus on the size of the fetus. Why is that relevant?

Do tall people have more rights than short people?

Do men have superior rights relative to women given that men are, on average, larger than women?

Is fetal lack of self-awareness a justification for abortion?

Is murder permissible when the victim is sleeping and hence unaware of the surrounding environment?

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:42 pm

“…the jungle swinger seemed to be tuned into human feelings was soothed by nondenominational Christian music….’When he didn’t like somebody or something that was going on, he would pick up some poop and throw it at them. He could get you at 30ft with bars in between.’”

Doggone/GA

December 28th, 2011
5:44 pm

“you don’t know what I know. Why are you avoiding the question?”

My apologies if I’ve credited you with being better educated than you are. Might I refer you to the dictionary to add to your knowledge?

Kamchak

December 28th, 2011
5:44 pm

Is murder permissible…

False comparison.

“Murder” is a legal term.

Abortion is a legal procedure.

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:44 pm

Cheetah…age 80, loved fingerpainting and football…a great American…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mGTz6EC1Ew

Jack

December 28th, 2011
5:45 pm

If you don’t want to ban abortions, you’re in luck when your unmarried daughter gets pregnant.

Paul

December 28th, 2011
5:46 pm

TGT

You appear to be arguing for argument’s sake.

Do you have a point or a position?

Dusty

December 28th, 2011
5:47 pm

Taxpayer,

Your “appreciation” for President Bush lasted eight long years before President Obama was elected.. After three years, my appreciation stops at Obama’s spending habits and financial ignorance. (He now wants to raise the debt limit again.)

But “hate” has not been involved as it obviously was with you and Bush. Viva la difference!!

DebbieDoRight

December 28th, 2011
5:49 pm

Abortion advocates frequently focus on the size of the fetus. Why is that relevant?

Thats a false claim. I haven’t read anywhere where they “focus on the size of the fetus”. I have read where the focus is on the viability of the fetus living outside the womb. If it can’t “live” outside of the womb, then it is not a viable LIVING human being.

The first instance of a 3 week old fetus living outside of the womb will, of course, make the above point moot — until then…….

AmVet

December 28th, 2011
5:49 pm

Paul, the reason I often cite the dictionary is to demonstrate that for many (most?) Republicans, the actual meanings of words are irrelevant.

They have their own dictionary of made up definitions…

josef

December 28th, 2011
5:51 pm

DUSTY

CRIME….

“Who steals my purse steals trash; ’tis something, nothing;
‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.”

…AND PUNISHMENT

“Hanging is the word, sir. If you be ready for that, you are well
cook’d.”