Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest

Can you say “dog whistle”…. Jay, you forgot to mention Perrry changed his mind after watching a movie….think of what could be done if he had to watch some Michael Moore documentaries.

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Well, at least John Huntsman has a functioning brain.

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TaxPayer: Well, at least John Huntsman has a functioning brain.

Which is exactly why he won’t be nominated.

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Talk about your Republican invasion of the bedroom.

“You had sex last night and we got it all on tape,” said the Republican bedroom monitor. “If you fail to produce a child, you will be charged with murder and sentenced to death.”

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“Which is exactly why he won’t be nominated”

Unless it becomes a case of “last man standing”

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We’ve seen this movie before. It’s called Dumb and Dumber.

“Hey, you wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world?…”

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if they’re hitting this button this early, they know they have a problem

atta boy, mittens, what a principled stand, that mushy squishy terd.

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Oh and again I say….

Abortion is legal in this country because conservative women want that right too.

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They are idiots and I disagree with all four of them. But I would probably still vote for them over the Chosen One 7 days a week.

Sortta like all the liberals that voted for Obama although he opposed same sex marriage.

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Oops – misspoke – it was “Kill the BABY and justify it by calling it self defense.”

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Granny – 4:16

I wish I could agree with that. Unfortunately the large number of women in the crazed Tea Party indicate otherwise.

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godless

“But I would probably still vote for them over the Chosen One 7 days a week. ”

Then you’ve separated yourself from Newt. He flipped and flopped again, said in debates how any of the candidates would be better than Obama, yet yesterday/day before said that wasn’t true of Ron Paul.

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Paul

Betty was great wasn’t she.

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Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry- Come one, we know these three don’t stand a chance.

Also, I thought the birth control pill prevented ovulation. Not “preventing the fertilized embryo from attaching itself to the uterus.” If one doesn’t ovulate, there is nothing to fertilize.

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Criminalizing the “opinions of candidates”? Oh what nonsense.

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Heathen: All us Republicans are just wealthy, polutting baby haters.

Well identifying your problem is Step 1….. 11 more steps to go.

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“…zeal to have a lighter shade of pale in the White House…”

Best comment today carlosgvv!

The SCOTUS says there is a Constitutional right to an abortion. It is being trimmed around the edges but is still intact.

But the Big Government Liberals have mounted a campaign to substitute the judgment of Government in place of the judgment of the Individual. There has been and will be a continual “war” to try to trim the rights of the Individual as guaranteed by the Constitution.

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Paul,

I’m glad to hear that Hawaii is paying for Secret Service and AirForce One and crew and all those little niceties like the early visit by Michelle and kiddies. We should thank Hawaii for thier kindness. Maybe the profits from hotel charges will offset their losses.

OH, I’m sure Perry is just making inspection and encouragement talks around the country like President Obama is doing (when he’s on the mainland). I guess it is all a matter of how your accountant wants to call it. Or to which political party the reporters come from when they are “reporting”.

Politics are crazy, especially in the world of so called journalism.

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JAY

From downstairs…got back from some errands and found that belated Christmas present from you, of all people! No, I had never seen it and have only given it a first read. I’ll definitely be coming back to it. There’s hope for you yet on broadening your orthodox, conservative Sharia view! And you can rest assured I will be back with you SE on this.

Seriously, Mate, this is one of the best things anybody ever referred me to, And, bottom line for here and now, I can pretty much see it turning out that way.

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What I really want to do is push granny’s wheelchair off the cliff after I cancel her Medicare and her Social Security payments. I want her to stand in line with her food stamps to buy dog food. If Granny can’t pull herself up by her bootstraps, she doesn’t deserve to be called an American. I want all Muslims deported from this country after all of those despicable Mexicans and other Latinos have been sent home. Then I want to reduce the income tax rate for all of my rich friends to 5% and let those “losers” who don’t pay any federal income tax pay more than Warren Buffet’s secretary. I want gun ports cut into the walls of my house so that when the Black invasion comes to my neighborhood, I will be prepared. Maybe if we could just get all of the white people in the neighborhood together, especially all of those with fully automatic AK-47s, before it happens, we will have an advantage. If all of this doesn’t work, then I think we should establish our own country where we don’t have to deal with all of those people who don’t work, have baby factories in their own welfare provided homes and refuse to follow Michelle’s edicts on losing weight. Guess that about does it for my Republican platform. Think I’ll do well in Iowa?

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ADAM

“Even in MISSISSIPPI they wouldn’t pass this thing!”

ESADI you ignorant twit! What do you know of the people of Mississippi? Obviously not very much to come in with that particular little piece of narrow-minded bigotry. And Granny’s Mississippi manners training prevent me from saying what I really thin.

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Dusty

“’Im glad to hear that Hawaii is paying for Secret Service and AirForce …We should thank Hawaii”

Don’t forget to thank all the other states!

And…. no kidding here…. Gov Perry justified having the Texas taxpayers pay for his detail by saying “I’m going around telling the Texas story. It’ll be good for business.”

Something good may come out of this. Perhaps, just perhaps, Texas voters will be too embarrassed to reelect him.

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I see kayaker doesn’t want to change a thing.

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Amazing,

I am a Republican and I have never seen or been to a T Party rally or even read their information. They are obviously a group with strong resolutions but they do not make them for me or anybody that I know.

To say that T-Party makes the “rules” for Republicans is like saying “rules” for Democrats are made by protestors. Neither one is true and to keep on saying it won’t make it true either.

Can’t you people think for yourself instead of following the straight propaganda such as Bookman writes? He is paid to be a liberal columnist and that is what he writes and it better be liberal.

But you are not paid. Think for yourself. Mob personality is pitiful.

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Everyone knows that it is Grover Norquist that makes the Tea Partying Republican’s rules regarding taxation.

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JAY

I disagree entirely on that one. I think he would have. Like Johnson (Lyndon that is) he knew his people, he knew the wrong of the situation and he had the courage (of Johnson) and the respect (not Johnson) to pull it off. Also, he would have had the backing of a wide range of leaders who had been calling for emancipation for various reasons, such as Judah P., Patrick Cleburn, Gayarre, and, yes, Nathan Bedford Forest. Given that any such Southern Republic would have been heavily under the sway of the military elite, the generals would have had strong influence and have held the slavocracy in check…and remember, they were not very well liked by the population at large and were only 20% of the population…

But, again, we’ll discuss this elsewhere…right now I’m off on another crusade courtesy of YOU!
Yes, and thank you for the presentation of the Mississippi vote as if it had taken place in any of the other 49. That was noted and appreciated.

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Debbie Darling,

U still stuck on Bush I see. (Did you know he choked on a pretzel once? ). Secret Service protected the Bushes on their vacations in Crawford, Texas in their home there. We are talking about VACATION expenses, hon. Keep your eye on the ball, not the past president.

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“so we could perform RETROACTIVE abortions ”

What?! And deprive ourselves of some much-needed comic relief?

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Debbie,

Who can forget ObamaCARE as much as we try? It was still passed in Congress with much arm twisting and promises. Let us move on to what is done by the constitution, not what you would like to change in election time.

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If a woman were raped and got pregnant, which one would you kill a) The baby, b) the rapist, or c) both?

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JOSEF

Are you hitting the booze again?

Mississippi was the state mentioned in the blog statement. That is how it came up. If it had been South Carolina, my reply would have been no different. It is the fact that it was something that was NOT even passed in one part of the country while this piece would make you think it is an earth moving event. It was not. Just more propaganda here. No other word for it.

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Well, I’m all for turning these women that have abortions into criminals. Just don’t use my taxes to support all those ba**ard kids. These women had all the fun, let them support them.

Have a good night everybody, especially all the people in Mississippi. No use in getting josef mad at me even more. Little touchy, ain’t he?

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TAXPAYER…sigh..

Presdient Bush “took out” Saddam. Did you ever show YOUR appreciation? Or did you join the liberal protestors at Crawford and shout for “joy”?

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DUSTY

Nope. It’s that little word “even.” It speaks volumes. Even if I am from there and d*mned uppity about it, I would have said (and have said) the same thing when somebody says “even in South Carolina.” Like I said, choke on it. Propaganda, you say, well you’re falling for it hook, line and sinker on that “even” cr*p…

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Nope. It’s that little word “even.”

Would you prefer, “especially”?

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So Doggone, what is the difference between a foetus and a baby?

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RIP
Cheetah…age 80, loved fingerpainting and football…a great American…

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Presdient Bush “took out” Saddam. Did you ever show YOUR appreciation? Or did you join the liberal protestors at Crawford and shout for “joy”?

Dusty,

I show as much appreciation for GW as you do for our President Obama.

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TGT

If there’s no difference, then why the need for the Personhood Pledge?

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AmVet

Oh… sorry… didn’t realize that was a serious question.

But I gotta say, when it comes to mental development, there apparently isn’t much difference for some between a fetus and a baby.

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So Doggone, what is the difference between a foetus and a baby?

Google is still your friend.

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JOSEF,

Have read your little quibble over “even”. Now hear this:

Do not, as some ungracious pastors do,
Show me the steep and thorny way to heaven;
While like a puff’d and reckless libertine,
Himself the primrose path of dalliance treads,
And recks not his own read.

I really like Willy Shakespeare.

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“You know the answer as well as I do.” I don’t know what you know, and,contrapositively, you don’t know what I know. Why are you avoiding the question?

“If there’s no difference, then why the need for the Personhood Pledge?”

Because Roe v. Wade allows for recognition of a difference.

Abortion advocates frequently focus on the size of the fetus. Why is that relevant?

Do tall people have more rights than short people?

Do men have superior rights relative to women given that men are, on average, larger than women?

Is fetal lack of self-awareness a justification for abortion?

Is murder permissible when the victim is sleeping and hence unaware of the surrounding environment?

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“you don’t know what I know. Why are you avoiding the question?”

My apologies if I’ve credited you with being better educated than you are. Might I refer you to the dictionary to add to your knowledge?

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Cheetah…age 80, loved fingerpainting and football…a great American…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mGTz6EC1Ew

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TGT

You appear to be arguing for argument’s sake.

Do you have a point or a position?

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Abortion advocates frequently focus on the size of the fetus. Why is that relevant?

Thats a false claim. I haven’t read anywhere where they “focus on the size of the fetus”. I have read where the focus is on the viability of the fetus living outside the womb. If it can’t “live” outside of the womb, then it is not a viable LIVING human being.

The first instance of a 3 week old fetus living outside of the womb will, of course, make the above point moot — until then…….

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DUSTY

CRIME….

“Who steals my purse steals trash; ’tis something, nothing;
‘Twas mine, ’tis his, and has been slave to thousands;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him,
And makes me poor indeed.”

…AND PUNISHMENT

“Hanging is the word, sir. If you be ready for that, you are well
cook’d.”

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AmVet

Where’s Bosch? Another great business opportunity. He could print up a bunch of copies of “Republican Dictionary.” It’d list about a dozen meanings for each word – none of them correct.

He’d make millions.

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DDR

And he smoked and drank!

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josef at 5:51 – check out the big brains on teach!!

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Yep, paul, it is pathetic.

That semi-literate bloggers are guilty is only indicative of a MUCH larger problem.

Listen to these supposedly educated buffoons like Newt, Herman, et al, ad nauseum.

They have no respect whatsoever for the meaning or significance of a word, phrase, idiom, etc.

None. War is peace. Cowardice is valor. Lies are truth.

It’s all just neo-con…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDXa4FkAw-4

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Taxpayer,

But “hate” has not been involved as it obviously was with you and Bush. Viva la difference!!

Dusty,

My appreciation for GW extends no farther than your appreciation for our President Obama. As for your claim of my hatred, that is clearly your shortcoming, not mine.

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So Debbie, you are for banning abortion after the fetus becomes “viable?” If so, then we are making progress.

Imagine that a woman is headed to the hospital to have an abortion. Her car is hit by a man who ran a stop light in his car. Her offspring is killed. In most states, he can be charged with homicide (whether just a few weeks pregnant or many weeks pregnant) . Does that make sense to you?

In the previous example, I forgot to add that the man who hit the woman headed to the hospital just happened to be her doctor – the one scheduled to perform the abortion. In most states, he can still be charged with homicide. Does that still make sense?

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AmVet

December 28th, 2011
5:49 pm
Paul, the reason I often cite the dictionary is to demonstrate that for many (most?) Republicans, the actual meanings of words are irrelevant.

They have their own dictionary of made up definitions…
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AmVet, it seems that repubs aren’t the only ones that will discard definitions that don’t fit their view…
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Adam

December 28th, 2011
2:43 pm
GT: My favorite attempted usurping of a phrase? “Class warfare.” As though the rich have something to worry about from the poor, and the rich are utterly defenseless against the poor taking their money.

Oh, and the best part? It doesn’t work! Everyone KNOWS that class warfare is when the rich attack the poor, regardless of whatever dictionary definitions they would like to throw up to try to say otherwise (when you’re explaining, you’re losing).

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So Debbie, you are for banning abortion after the fetus becomes “viable?” If so, then we are making progress.

where did i state that?

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To my liberal friends and/or family members:

“Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit, my best
wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible,
low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter
solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of
the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of
your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion
and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice
religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally
successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated
recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year
2012, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of
other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make
America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than
any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere.
Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color,
age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
wish.”

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dusty: Did you really make it through law school? Proof please.

wanna come over and watch my graduation footage? i’ll pop some popcorn!

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Sounds like you libs aren’t as clear on those definitions as you claim. So who gets to define “normal care and feeding?”

she wasn’t giving a definition — she was including a statement. Big diference.

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DUSTY

“Viva la difference!! (ersatz!)”

Five bonus points for that one!

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well thats too bad dusty. i guess that’s the difference between you and me — you have diplomas and i have degrees. I guess the twain shall never meet……..

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JOSEF,

Cheetah was Christian? Why did he wear that little black “beenie” all the time? Bald spot or something?

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DUSTY

Didn’t you read his obituary? The beanie…must’ve been Coptic…

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No Debbie,

My diplomas are written degrees, nothing you have to prove on tape.. The writin’ is PURTY.

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Abort the death penalty and war…

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TGT: Ok then. So even if it is a “viable living human being” as you put it, you’re still okay with killing the child as long as it is still in the womb? If so, how is this not murder?

I think there is a disconnect here. First let’s go back to the beginning, as you’ll see I was just commenting on an erroneous post that you had made.
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TGT: Abortion advocates frequently focus on the size of the fetus. Why is that relevant?

Debbie: Thats a false claim. I haven’t read anywhere where they “focus on the size of the fetus”. I have read where the focus is on the viability of the fetus living outside the womb. If it can’t “live” outside of the womb, then it is not a viable LIVING human being.

The first instance of a 3 week old fetus living outside of the womb will, of course, make the above point moot — until then…….

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OK so how did we get from there ^^^ to here:

Ok then. So even if it is a “viable living human being” as you put it, you’re still okay with killing the child as long as it is still in the womb? If so, how is this not murder?

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JOSEF,

You are fudging’. Cheetah was neither Coptic nor Egyptian. Tarzan said he was from Mississippi..

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BEST POST (AND MOST ACCURATE) ON THIS SUBJECT THUS FAR:

The reason being that the most zealous of the anti-abortionists are very pro-death.

The actual motivation is what it has always been about for them – the control to force people, especially women, to live the way they want them to live. And further to control what others can do with their own bodies and their own lives…

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Oh good, another abortion blog.

Perhaps Jay could explain what exactly any POTUS could do about abortion one way or another.

Not much if anything.

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Lets let the women choose and call it freedom.

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Paul:

Maybe you remember Ethel Waters who lused to sing at all of the Billy Graham Crusades. What a wonderfully blessed woman used by God to minister to millions !

“Ethel Waters was born in Chester, Pennsylvania on October 31, 1896, as a result of her mother’s rape at age 13″.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Jmu0zG9rE&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethel_Waters

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“Texas added far more jobs than any other state in the country in the past five years. The Lone Star State had 10,629,300 non-farm jobs as of November, a gain of 451,100 jobs since the same month in 2006, an analysis of U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data by The Business Journals’ On Numbers shows.”

Good job, Gov. Perry!

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“Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest”–JAY BOOKMAN

JAY BOOKMAN and President Obama promote KILLING unborn babies!

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josef: I know plenty about MS, seeing as I used to live there and my very conservative parents still do.

So I can say what I want, then, right? Since I have some sort of claim? I think that’s ridiculous. Having claim or not having claim makes no difference.

MS is a very conservative state. The fact that they did not pass Personhood is very good, and shows that it was DEFINITELY a bridge too far if even a deep red state won’t pass it.

If you’re really offended, then too bad. It wasn’t my goal to offend you or to say that all or even most of MS are idiots. In fact, I was saying the contrary. So calm down.

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Oh good an abortoin issue. Maybe tomorrow we can debate evolution.

Nothing here to see- move on.

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I stand corrected. On closer inspection it would appear that Cheetah was not Coptic…

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if i have a one week fling with someone and they become prego because of it, am I be held legally responsible for the child? In other words, would I have to pay child support, other $ etc?

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The actual motivation is what it has always been about for them – the control to force people, especially women, to live the way they want them to live. And further to control what others can do with their own bodies and their own lives…

Ah, so I take it that you oppose Obamacare beacuse of the individual mandate?

BTW, you are aware that the unborn child has its own completely unique DNA, and by three weeks the childs heart begins to pump its own blood?

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USMC:

Give them a break. The Germans believed Jews were subhumans also.

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As everyone knows, abortion is a very touchy topic. If it were restricted to cases such as rape and incest, it might be different for some, but definitely not all. I wonder how many have seen that video of the french physician who used to be a staunch proponent of abortion, but he was preforming a procedure and a tiny hand reached out and grabbed his finger. It completely changed his mind, his views, and his life.
As for me, the world is in a sorry enough state as it is. But I can help bu wonder how many Mandela’s, Mother Teresa’s, MLK’s, Mozarts, Ghandi’s, etc. have been aborted in the name of convenience or control of a women’s body. One thing for certain, after an egg is fertilized, there is a unique genetic code/DNA that’s never been seen in the world before, and never will be again. I’m sure I’ll be reviled, especially by our female bloggers, but since the pill, condoms, and other methods of birth control are so readily available, I have to say it irks me that someone could be so lazy about such an important act, i.e., sex, and if things go to the next level, well, it’s just a quick visit to Planned PArenthood, etc. away. The example that sticks in my mind is I once worked with a woman who told me she didn’t want children even though she’d been married for several years, because she was selfish and enjoyed her life as it was. Initially, I thought something was wrong with her, but as time passed I came to admire her decision and she opened my eyes to a differing point of view. Best of all, she and her husband wer responsible enought to take precautions, i.e, the pill and condoms. Shame something that could be so simple, isn’t. So, let me have it folks.

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ADAM

Just because you “lived there” and your parents still do does not give you laissez passer to throw in that “even” and then shout out MISSISSIPPI. Save it. You could just as easily have said, “Mississippi, a generally conservative state, etc. etc.” But no, you had to do what you did and that speaks volumes about what you know about Mississippi…the state can also come up with some of the most liberal of things as well…

BTW Where in the Magnolia State?

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Please roll out your old white protest flag and remember the past. You seem to have a selective memory.

I don’t blame you for trying to forget but you really impressed us for eight years.

Dusty,

I don’t blame you for trying to forget GW and his non-stop failings. After all, GW was by far the worst occupant of the White House evah. And I do take great pleasure in the mere thought of the suffering that you must endure by just thinking about our President Obama and his two terms in the White House.

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PAUL

Post evaporate? I’m getting some schitzie stuff here, too…

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Those Republican candidates continue to prove that there is no low as far as they are concerned. They’re shovel ready.

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“perry hired security for his campaign and charged it to the Texas taxpayers filky.”

If that’s true and it’s illegal, call the cops, getalife.

It’s your civic duty.

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AmVet
February 8th, 2011
8:38 pm

I fundamentally oppose abortion.

I’ve written this many times.

Especially when used as a means of birth control.

But to me, the cure – making it once again illegal – is worse than the disease. And almost certainly won’t solve the problem, any way.

My 2 cents worth…

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PAUL

The topic…hmmm…maybe the blog G-ds are wondering why EVEN I haven’t said anything on it…

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CNN:

“Newt Gingrich said Tuesday he wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul if the Texas congressman won the 2012 GOP nomination.”

Big deal, neither would I.

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Just because you “lived there” and your parents still do does not give you laissez passer to throw in that “even” and then shout out MISSISSIPPI.

I believe our host is the one to set the rules here.

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Another Webstatar’s Republican Dictionary Word For The Day:

Pro-life: noun. Someone who is for fetuses’ rights but against children’s rights and the rights of women.

Sentence: I was once at a Pro-life seminar before I picketed the “Help For Needy Mother’s & Babies” legislation passage.

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2 men charged in Craigslist robbery, carjacking (AJC)

As the couple was looking at the car, a second man emerged with a black handgun and ordered the couple to hand over the $2,800 and their car keys, police said.

Friends, if you’re selling a car or anything for a lot of cash, it’s always best to meet at your bank.

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josef

the G-ds giving thanks to the non-G-ds?

You do have an interesting mind –

F. Sinkwich

Yet just a couple weeks ago Newt said Ron Paul would be better than Obama.

Flip.

Flop.

Flip.

Flop.

Newt’s a sore loser.

Or just a loser.

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Debbie – please tell me you are not seriously placing animals on the same level of human beings.

Dad it was an EXAMPLE of two like things that have the same basic foundations.

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A Dad

And you don’t noodle ‘em either…just ask St Simon’s

PAUL
I have no mind…just a po ole ignert boy from Mississippi…

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Adad … … oh ok. I agree with that. I catch them, but always turn them loose.

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Republicans want smaller government, except for women who want to make their own decisions about birth control and abortion. That decision they want made by the government. Oh, and also who you can marry. Oh, and also, whether you get to breathe clean air and drink clean water should be a decision made by corporations, and on and on. The government is “we the people” when we vote. And when votes are counted fairly, not by Diebold voting machines with no paper trail. But I digress…

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Another Webstatar’s Republican Dictionary Word For The Day:

Teacher: (verb and sometimes a noun) A person or thing intent on using its seniority to decimate the american public trust and destroy our children’s education by demanding money in which to live by and/or at least pay their rent.

Sentence: That dang man acts just like a f####ng teacher!!! (verb)

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“Newt Gingrich said Tuesday he wouldn’t vote for Ron Paul if the Texas congressman won the 2012 GOP nomination.”

Big deal, neither would I.

What Frank conveniently omits is this foot in mouth disease symptom…

“I think Ron Paul’s views are totally outside the mainstream of virtually every decent American,” Gingrich said on CNN’s “The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.”

So says the GOP’s serial adulterer/arbiter of decency.

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And yet another silly drive-by…you’re more predictable than I am and that’s saying a lot!

Another case of a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.

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Understood Debbie, all genetic codes are unique, but like my examples, animals are not humans.

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Democrats unanimously favor killing babies in the womb, with no preconditions.

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Another Webstatar’s Republican Dictionary Word For The Day:

Adultery: (noun and sometimes a verb) Something that Dems are prone to do but a Repub never EVER does (or admits to doing).

Sentence: New Gingrich said that Bill Clinton was complicit in adultery.

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TGT

Well, thank you and I retract my prior remarks.

So…. no exceptions for whether or not the life of the mother is threatened?

Yours is essentially the Catholic position, yes?

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ADAM
Picayune? Est-ce qu’ils parlent francais? Adam, but, m’lad, that’s what you did. Parsing it later is fine and good and even acceptable…but…

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F. Sinkwich

Diverson!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOL!!!!

You know perfectly well from my prior post Gov Perry did not retire from the AF.

As I stated, his years of federal service are credited for state retirement.

Liar? You know very well what the issue is here.

Then again, I’m open to the possibility you just don’t have a minimum level of understanding.

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josef: Sadly I chose Spanish in high school. Even more sadly, I remember very little. I am a typical American that really only knows one spoken language

Sorry you’re offended but it’s pretty clear that if a mostly conservative state (despite their somewhat distant past on other issues) does not pass Personhood, it is a good test for just how viable it is for the general public.

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Adam

It goes beyond that.

I think TGT’s position would lead to food stamps for the fertilized egg, parents getting to claim another exemption if mom’s pregnant, mom getting charged two tickets for going to the cinema, the parents getting charged another dependent premium for health insurance….

man, these cons are gonna run up costs for everyone!

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Okay, time to be fair and balanced. It came as no surprise to me that the voters in Mississippi rejected the amendment, given what I was hearing from the folks back home. But EVEN I was a bit taken aback by the margin…

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No sport? You’re slipping…

Is that a complaint?

First you complain about me being too predictable.

And now this.

You’re just being contrary, even if you are a Mississippian.

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Debbie, when someone makes the claim,”If it can’t “live” outside of the womb, then it is not a viable LIVING human being,” it is logically valid to conclude that if it can live outside the womb, it is a viable human being.

You forgot to add the part where i said THREE WEEK OLD FETUS — hmmmm I wonder why?

I was then making the leap that you would not be for killing “viable” humans, but perhaps I was wrong.

so if you are PRO life, that by its very definition means FOR LIFE, are you against the death penalty and war because you believe in the sanctity of ALL life? I’m making the leap that you would be for ALL life not just the life that is politically expedient to you, but pehaps I am wrong about your motivation(s) and the lives you care about are only the ones that are connected to the ones you wish to control.

My bad.

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TGT

How is your position different, theological underpinnings aside?

As I understand it, abortion is not permitted, as no person has the moral right to end another’s life. This includes picking between two (unborn child or mother’s) in event of an illness or injury.

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I just learned something from a Jacksonville associate, and it really
makes all this discussion, well, really not necessary.
Looking at the map, there is NO scenario in which a Republican
can win a federal election without Flo-rida,

The democrats’ best friend Ricky Scott is busy being
the worst Fla governor evahhhh, and is at 25%
and dropping, particularly after turning down $millions$ in
healthcare funding, out of spite, even though Fla is the 3rd least
insured state and (obviously) has the most on meddycare.

He said “people are lining up everywhere now to register to vote the
tea potty scum out, and that Fla will be democratic for a generation.
So, we’re planning for ‘game over’, deal with Democrats at both
the federal & state level for a loooong time.”
I bought his lunch, and began looking at houses on Amelia Island.

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DDR: I’m making the leap that you would be for ALL life not just the life that is politically expedient to you

Given the standard argument conservatives have that practically the only reason for abortion is because of convenience, I am VERY interested to see a response to this charge.

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Midori .. .. see? that was just mean.

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no more meaner that the original post…….

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AmVet,

Is it the military industrial complex bowl?

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getalife

If AF gets down more than one touchdown and calls in an airstrike, you’ll have your answer.

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Paul (and Debbie), I reject the notion that “no person has the moral right to end another’s life.” I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life.

And Debbie, the statement I quoted does not rely upon the “three week old fetus” declaration.

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TGT

That statement about moral authority was limited to the abortion discussion, not other situations like wars.

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Can the father ever be guilty of murder in the case of an abortion.

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Well, I think it’s neat the conservative wing in our country is all for bringing more babies into our country and is willing to spend all that money for schools and health care and nutrition support and social services and all the myriad other costs that kids can bring on society. That’s really putting their money where their mouth is and I commend them for that. Protect kids from the womb to adulthood. That’s great.

But gotta go see if AF is winning or if they’ve called in that airstrike, then I have to tune in to watching Texas redeem themselves. The football team can restore the state’s honor, ’cause our governor sure hasn’t.

Pleasant evening, all -

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Paul .. .. go support the 1% – just don’t complain about them later…

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I reject the notion that “no person has the moral right to end another’s life.” I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life.

then you sir/madam are NOT pro-life; you are pro-rhetoric, and pro-politics.

If, as you say, you believe that “I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life” then by using your own litmus test, you must also be PRO ABORTION.

how did i come by that assumption? by your own words you called a fetus a “person” so if you feel that sometimes it is justifiable to end a “person’s” life, you must believe in abortion.

If this doesn’t make sense, then blame yourself. Your ideaology, your rules.

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bman

You mean those members of the 1% who pay no income taxes?

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Paul .. .. yes, I mean that 1% and no I do not support banning abortion. Toss that net a little wider next time.

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bman

Implication being, it’s the 1% who’s going to pay to support all those kids.

Which is fallacious.

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If, as you say, you believe that “I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life” then by using your own litmus test, you must also be PRO ABORTION.

That is an asinine and ignorant statement. The “instances” where a murderer/rapist can be executed are VASTLY different from taking the life of a child in the womb. If you can’t see the difference, well then I guess that’s one reason why you’re a liberal.

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That is an asinine and ignorant statement.

It’s a hell of a lot less asinine and ignorant than equating abortion to murder.

Just sayin’.

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It’s a hell of a lot less asinine and ignorant than equating abortion to murder.

This from the person that concludes that because something is legal it must be moral.

So how would you answer my 6:02 Kamchak?

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This from the person that concludes that because something is legal it must be moral.

He never said that. I think I understand now what’s going on. Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem……….

That would explain a lot…………………

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I didn’t make up any rules, and you are not following anything (that makes sense).

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I worked very hard to get this much-needed personhood amendment passed with my local Right To Life chapter here in Hattiesburg. To say how much my heart sank when this common sense amendment was defeated, would be a complete understatement. I’m praying that we will bring this amendment to the table in all 50 states.

Now, God-willing, one of these highly-gifted, highly qualified candidates will be in the Oval Office come January 2013. I’m confident that any one of these honorable public servants WILL protect the innocent and put this once-free nation on a path to a respect for life and economic prosperity!

Amen,
Bill

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You don’t want to play because you know that my point is valid. If the current (or a future) supreme court overturns Roe, and many states then make abortion as we know it today illegal, you’re okay with that?

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Just because a word has a legal definition does not mean that it cannot be used outside of a legal context. The word “murder,” or its equivalent, was used long before U.S. law ever existed. Most modern biblical translations correctly state the 6th Commandment as “You shall not commit murder.”

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At least I’m not tossing around a made-up snarl word like “homophobe” (or celebrating a made-up holiday like Kwanzaa).

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Lets focus on what really matters in America…unemplyment, running up debt, entitlemrntand tort reform. Abortion IMO is wrong if there is a heartbeat. If its still a bunch of cells forming then I say abort.

If you have been raped and are dumb enough to not get a pregnancy test inthe coming weeks then you need to call an adoption agency.

Here’s a thought….lets go upstream to stop this problem…if you are convicted of rape you get put down like ol yeller. Oh wait…thr same lintards wanting to kill heartbeats wants to protect criminals and terrorist.

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A fetus with a heartbeat is a living human. Abortion at that stage is murder.

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Ron: The baby’s heart begins beating within four weeks of conception (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112), and the heart actually forms within three weeks of conception. This is several weeks before most women even realize that they are pregnant.

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Okay so at what point would you suggest a cutoff TGT?

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Arf ! Arf !

Headline ABC News: “Korean Dictator’s Final Ride Was In a Vintage Lincoln Continental”

http://news.yahoo.com/korean-dictators-final-ride-vintage-lincoln-continental-191101625.html

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Amvet 8:11. I remember that game – great call at the end.

Sorry they didn’t get that one.

Huskers have always had a great program.

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Well, gentlemen,

It is after nine o’clock and I hope all of you have decided what women should do about the lil’ ol’ preg problem. Please post results when your final decision is made.

IN the meatime, the ladies may decide the best way to end the preg problem is to fix MEN. I understand that it is a very simple procedure and very effective and your voice will not change into charming treble tones.

So line up first thing in the morning all you gents between 18 and 55 (or older if you are a dreamer) . Journalists may be allowed first in line as they deserve the honor.

THEN, let us next consider how to abort the 15 trillion dollar USA debt! THAT is a problem.

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Dusty – how about a cleaver?

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IN the meatime, the ladies may decide the best way to end the preg problem is to fix MEN. I understand that it is a very simple procedure and very effective and your voice will not change into charming treble tones.

Well, I might of knowed. Let’s stay on topic. I get the shivers every time I think of Sister Dusty with a knife in her hand. Let’s just let women do what we tell them to do and we won’t be having all this fussing. Ever since this Women’s Lib stuff we’ve had nothing but trouble. And I guess you know now what I decided not to give the missus a new knife set for Christmas.

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“Stories of people conceived by rape:”

I think you mean incest, not rape. And not all societies consider the marriage of cousins to be incest.

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Well let’s see: four of the top five committed themselves “to the cause of personhood” and the other apparently hinted at it.

On the flip-side, you have a candidate who is more interested in the sanctity of a tree rather than that of a nondescript mistake of protoplasm [don't worry - it's not human material] growing within a woman’s uterus.

I’m sorry but this vote is really a toss up.

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If a drunk driver runs a red light and kills an unborn child he or she is charged with feticide a felony that will result in prison time if found guility. If a woman kills her own baby she just gets a doctor bill. Why the difference?

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Wow! I am reminded of a line from Leonard Cohen’s song, “The Future,” from the soundtrack of Natural Born Killers . . . “Kill another fetus now, we don’t like children any how . . . I’ve seen the future, and it’s murder.” Personally, I do think that aborition is a personal decision to be made by a woman AND the father – very gauche of me and more than a tad old fashioned, but that’s what I think. And the state (federal or local) should not interfere in it. But I also believe that it should a rare and painful decision based upon difficult and extreme circumstances, and a thoughtful process, much like executing the death penalty – which I also support. The Old Testament (written thousands of years ago) talks about how God knows who we are while in our mother’s womb, i.e. we are alive. The New Testament speaks of forgiveness, seven times seven. Admittedly, Caesar (the US government – and the governments established by men – who we are instructed to obey, as they have God given authority over us) cannot abide by either of these Judaeo-Christian tenets and maintain our civilization and law and order. So we tolerate the death penalty and we tolerate abortion. So please stop the hypocrisy. Both are the taking of human life. And the biggest hypocrisy is the out cry from the Left and the Dem/Libs – and their pitiful crying and weeping and moaning about “injustice” every time a vicious, murderous killer, after years of costly incarceration and legal appeals, finally gets his or her due – but who in the name of “reproductive rights” remain completely silent in the face of a holocaust of millions and millions of innocent destroyed babies/fetuses – many of whom who are murdered because they could survive outside the womb, but who get nary a whimper and no attention at all.

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Men have no business making laws about abortion. Men shouldn’t be doing anything more than talking about it, discussing it, and ASKING WOMEN ABOUT IT. The laws governing reproduction, (if any at all!) should be written by women. Until one man carries a baby to full term and breast feeds it, he’s got absolutely no business exerting any legal opinion about it. It’s all bullcrap control and power over women and any woman sitting back letting it happen is pitiable. I suggest all women remain celibate until men accept the fact that the only role they should have in the matter is providing healthcare and support for women and children. Reproductive decisions belong to the women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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and in other news …

evidently the CIA gave the leaders of South America cancer …

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/8981643/Cristina-Kirchner-cancer-Hugo-Chavez-ponders-if-US-gave-Latin-American-leaders-cancer.html

(which is why I laughed last week when certain people on this here blog were touting Chugo Chavez’s comments about Obama … the man clearly has issues)

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USinUK…

“We’re going to take Ron Paul all the way to the White House.”

I think that means they are taking him on the paid tour…

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if anyone ever wants to know why I’m agains the death penalty, I’m going to show them this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/opinion/justice-and-prosecutorial-misconduct.html?_r=1&hp

Michael Morton was exonerated by DNA evidence this month after being wrongfully convicted of murdering his wife and serving nearly 25 years in prison in Texas. In seeking to prove Mr. Morton’s innocence, his lawyers found in recently unsealed court records evidence that the prosecutor in the original trial, Ken Anderson, had withheld critical evidence that may have helped Mr. Morton.

oh, and the prosecutor? he’s now a judge.

The Innocence Project report found that Mr. Anderson willfully failed to disclose police notes that another man committed the murder, concealed from the trial judge that he did not provide the full police report and advised his successor as prosecutor “to oppose all of Mr. Morton’s postconviction motions for DNA testing.”

the term “prosecutorial misconduct” seems so inadequate …

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Normal – 6:50 – my dad has a place down in Stuart and la-la-LOVES it!

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Normal – I bake! I’ll make your cakes and cookies for you, you job creator, you!!

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Normal

Where in FL? Was there a few months ago – lots and lots and lots of property. House I sold 12 years ago doubled in value, then crashed so now it’s on the property tax records as worth less than what I sold it for.

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Paul – 7:22 – exactly – and their “opinions” and “feelings” outweigh anyone who feels differently – and, more to the point, they outweigh the ramifications.

FACT is – when you outlaw abortion, they become MORE frequent, not less.

FACT is – when you outlaw contraception, pregnancies happen MORE frequently – and, thus, abortions happen more frequently – not less.

there was an interesting story in the Telegraph today about the increase in selective abortion because of IVF – last year, there were 101 women who went through the procedure to reduce the number of fetuses they were carrying because the risk of birth defects / complications caused by multiples.

the FACT is that many women who have abortions don’t do it because they don’t want to have children – they do it because they want to give the children they DO have the best chance in life.

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“Men have no business making laws about abortion.”

Utter BS………all this talk about choice, yet the woman has made many prior to getting pregnant.

If they don’t want the man involved in the decision about “junior”, then they shouldn’t have made the choice to let daddy in the house in the first place.

After the fact doesn’t cut it……mommy is no longer the sole parent.

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“Hey, do you think there’s a 12-step program for farRight cons?”

the first step is admitting they have a problem …

could be a stumbling block …

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“After the fact doesn’t cut it……mommy is no longer the sole parent.”

yay!!!! let’s hear it for second-class citizens … people whose decision-making over THEIR body takes second place to the person who won’t have to carry the little nipper around for nearly 10 months …

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“yay!!!! let’s hear it for second-class citizens … people whose decision-making over THEIR body takes second place to the person who won’t have to carry the little nipper around for nearly 10 months …”

And THEY made the choice to share that body THEY have control over resulting in an equation that now has THREE variables.

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md

So what does your riff on personal responsibility have to do with granting fertilized eggs personhood status?

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“And THEY made the choice to share that body THEY have control over resulting in an equation that now has THREE variables.”

ah. no. really, only 1: the woman who has to carry the pregnancy. the woman who could die due to complications and/or childbirth.

as far as the “choice” she made – I hate to be the one to break it to you, but birth control fails every single day.

regarding Bill M and having to BE right, I’m sure you have JUST as much aggro about the people on the right who are the same way. as Paul says, it’s just a balance in the universe.

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“So what does your riff on personal responsibility have to do with granting fertilized eggs personhood status?”

Merely about definitions………an arbitrary line established by US.

We choose to engage in the making of junior (personal responsibility), then we need to also be big enough to handle the consequences of having junior. Junior didn’t ask or choose to enter the equation…………..

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“We choose to engage in the making of junior (personal responsibility), then we need to also be big enough to handle the consequences of having junior. ”

ah, yes … the “sex only for procreation” argument …

it’s never worked for thousands of years … but, you’re right, let’s try it now, I’m SURE it will take.

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Paul @ 0722, USinUK @ 0731,
Well said and hopefully will open the minds of the “narrow”…

But, it is the arrogance of the religious right that amazes me. They obviously believe that they know better than God and would take the God given right to choose the Biblical right or wrong by legislation. Arrogance run amok.

If they really want to stop abortion, then legislate less regulation (sound familiar?) on birth control.
They also need to step into the 21st century and realize that sex is also recreational. Open some eyes there, people.

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“Now, there is also a “Dad”, and he does/should have rights as well”

should my husband or boyfriend have more rights over my body than I do.

that would be a great big HELL TO THE NO.

but thanks for playing.

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md,

What about the guy that believes as you that he should have a say in this matter and says he does want the woman to have an abortion. I mean it’s all about the choice made after said sexual encounter too. Then, there is the choice to use birth control pills. Does the woman have the right to use them even though they are known to cause abortions. Does the man have a right to deny the woman access to birth control pills. Just askin’.

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“Who made that argument…you?

Merely stating what I see as the facts”

yes – the sex only for procreation argument – as illustrated by “so don’t choose to have a man involved ”

sorry, bubba – like I said – these are your OPINIONS

the FACTS say that, in countries where abortion was outlawed, the number of abortions actually INCREASED, not decreased. so if you want to be the CAUSE of more abortions, keep up with your argument …

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“sorry, bubba – like I said – these are your OPINIONS”

Of course they are……….but somebodies opinions govern how we live every single day.

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And my engrish teacher would shoot me for that use of “somebody’s”.

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Well lets see….. if men have rights over whether a woman can have an abortion because it involves a life, then certainly it is not hard for the next leap…. I can demand a kidney from you to save my life. After all, we are saving lives and that is the “absolute” right?

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md,
Your argument is not valid. The woman’s body is her’s to do with as she feels is right. As I remember it Roe V. Wade was just such a case. The woman did not want the child while the man did. The woman won, and it was the correct decision by the court.

Still the best prevention of abortion is contraceptives….get them out there and make sure there are plenty of them.

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“I can demand a kidney from you to save my life. After all, we are saving lives and that is the “absolute” right?”

Is that kidney contain 50% of “his” dna?

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I prefer the “Pull Out Method”

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“Is (sic) that kidney contain 50% of “his” dna?

wow. so, he can demand a kidney from his child …

interesting.

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change – obviously you don’t read since you aren’t following what’s going on at the state level and since you seem blissfully ignorant of the Roberts court.

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“Actually Normal, my argument is valid……but does not hold up under current “definitions”. But as we all know, we make the definitions……….”

and, once you decide that someone’s sovereignty over their own body is the priority, Katie Bar the Door … and let’s bring back slavery and instigate organ farms.

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Actually, we did discuss it prior to getting married…..as all folks should. Might be why we are still together.

Very simple questions in the search for compatibility. It’s not like we don’t have a clue where those little buggers come from…….we have known for quite some time how the process works.

And what of those couples that decide they are okay with abortion. And the pair that get together for casual sex with no discussion of abortion rights over dinner or drinks first. What then. Are they required to fall back on your default scenario.

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“I would fight to the death for the life of “my” child……………..”

then, I suggest you offer to carry it, first.

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Robert Reich:
My political prediction for 2012 (based on absolutely no inside information): Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden swap places. Biden becomes Secretary of State — a position he’s apparently coveted for years. And Hillary Clinton, Vice President.

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“then, I suggest you offer to carry it, first”

And that is the whole crux of the matter. It is not man, nor is it man’s laws, that gives a woman sole control over her body and her pregnancy…it is NATURE who did that.

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I distrust the thinking of those who perceive in absolutist terms, such as signing a pledge never to raise taxes, or declaring an embryo a person at the moment of conception.

That type of purist thinking often renders harm to others, especially when it is mandated. A lack of empathetic imagination toward others usually bears destructive fruit. Whether or not to undergo abortion should be an individual choice. As a society, we can educate how best to avoid that unfortunate choice, but we should not mandate an absence of choice to those whose circumstances might be very different from our own.

I believe abortion should not be allowed after a certain time within the pregnancy, and certainly not within the last trimester, except for extremely unusual circumstances.

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TaxPayer

December 29th, 2011
8:14 am
md,

I sure hope you asked your potential mate all those most pertinent questions and received satisfactory answers before your clubbed her and dragged her off to your mancave.

Perfectly said!
I just want to tell md to SHUT the heck up! But since that would not be appropriate, let me just tell you to stuff your chauvanistic, shallow opinions back into the 16th century and leave them! Again, until you can put your life at risk via pregnancy, breast feed and nurture a newborn… and do both while working full time, enjoy your baby-making apparatus quietly, please.

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“Yet, she has sovereign rights over the body of another…….hmm………of course definitions allow her to discount that body at the moment.”

yes – as long as the non-sentient fetus is reliant on her for everything from oxygen to nutrients to a uterus, she has dominion over it.

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This whole rape problem would be minimized if we could start torturing the violent criminals. They get to live in a prison thats probably better conditions then the pig stye they came from. They get meals whatever else they want. I say you make prison a place that deters crime.

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Good Morning, Mary Elizabeth

A moderate position?

See where that got Huntsman with the Republican kingmakers? (Okay, Bachman’s in the mix, so I should have written “and queenmakers” but that would have gotten the Right all stirred up, looking for hidden meanings and such).

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Ron Burgundy

As was true last night, this blog is not hosting auditions to replace Redneck Convert.

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“This whole rape problem would be minimized if we could start torturing the violent criminals”

And do you REALLY want to live in a society where people who are willing to torture others are allowed to live among us freely?

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md

If you read back thru your posts, do you see how “this is what I believe” can very easily be read as “this is what I think should be”?

But thank you for the clarification. We now understand everything you posted is just your belief, not held out as fact, applies only to yourself and your wife, and you have absolutely no interest in seeing that view adopted by others, let alone pushing it to be incorporated into our system of laws.

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Good morning to you, too, Paul. Here’s to a good day ahead, and to a blessed new year for you and yours.

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Paul – the only flaw with your post is that he hasn’t stated it as opinions … he’s stated them as facts:

“Merely stating what I see as the facts……how one deals with that is up to them.”

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Thank you, Mary Elizabeth

And the same blessings for you and yours.

(Hey, can the ungodly socialistliberalunchristiannotrightwing elements in our society use a word like ‘blessed”?)

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“what if the couple splits up and the man and woman both want the fetus? shall they go to court for it?”

Don’t they do that already??

As viability increases, it makes sense that the definition of “child” will also change. Custody cases are a daily occurrence.

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Abortion is legal. End of story. No one, no group, no party will ever change that. Learn to deal.

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Well no problem invading another country for Oil, and of course a bunch of KILLING during the process…but hey some poor girl gets raped, and she is made to carry an unwanted baby !

GOP wrong consistently…. Killing is Killing no matter what the age.

But that goes back to Religion…..the GOP will pray to God before WAR, but tell you it is a sin to have an abortion, all while they ignore the rest of the 10 commandments.

Religion the GREAT TOOL of the GOP !

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mornin.

What is most troubling in the way this discussion is being framed, in the context of Presidential politics, is that a guy like Romney who merely leaves the door open for allowing exceptions to terminate a pregnancy, who lies about Planned Parenthood being “primarily about abortion” — he gets seen by the corporate media as the more reasonable Republican.

As always, the question “reasonable compared to WHAT?” doesn’t get asked.

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Eli – is your real name Rip Van Winkle?

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“Paul – the only flaw with your post is that he hasn’t stated it as opinions … he’s stated them as facts:”

And if you read them, they include:

The women made the choice to share her baby making machine….fact.
The equation went from one (the woman) to 3…….fact.
Nature requires the man to use the woman to reproduce….fact.
After conception, BOTH are now parents (another definition that can be argued)…..fact.
As far as the man is concerned, he now has a child……fact.

Granted, I’m using my definitions……but as I said, definitions change. And most of this is based on personal observation and science.

So, in your opinion, what is not “fact”?

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Eli’s link charges $19 to send a fax to Congress. What a racket.

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md: How are ANY of your definitions based in science, aside from the arguable “both are parents” if you define parents to mean DNA donors?

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I’ll vote for the candidate that legalizes prostitution nationwide. That will cut into the number of rape occurrences.

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“It’s really sad for you if “your” baby was aborted.. Next time make one with someone interested in providing you with a child.”

At least I said I was assuming…..you may want to try it too. Never said I had one aborted.

And for the sake of argument, it should also be noted that the primary party in Roe v Wade no longer believes in abortion…..just thought I’d throw that out there. That “perspective” thingy.

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So conservatives want freedom – less government, fewer regulations, etc. But they want to regulate the people on when they can do a perfectly legal act. They want to take away a freedom.

conservatives are like dogs chasing their tales.

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Ann Coulter

“Running against an incumbent president in a make-or-break election, Republicans need a candidate with a track record of winning elections with voters similar to the entire American electorate. ”

She just acknowledges the Republican primary voters and power brokers are not similar to the entire American electorate.

But we knew that, Ann.

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-12-28.html

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Just like you and your ilk do every single day Jay… Lie, manipulate and take out of context every idea that comes from the pro-life Conservative movement…. Your folks actually aired commercials saying that birth control would be banned by this law along with the morning after pill…. That’s simply not true… Read the bill instead of making things up about as you far lefties do on many occasions. You should be more honest and forthcoming to your few readers Jay…. Tell it like it is… Democrats don’t mind killing a baby… They do mind killing a mass murderer though… Go figure….

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And for the sake of argument, it should also be noted that the primary party in Roe v Wade no longer believes in abortion…..just thought I’d throw that out there. That “perspective” thingy.

And for the sake of non-argument, the judges took into consideration the fact that some people believe in abortion and some do not. That perspective thingie. It just dangles there, don’t it.

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Doggone: “Nature requires the man to use the woman to reproduce….fact.”

Yes, that’s a fact

No, that’s not a fact unless you are saying that “using” the woman really means “must negotiate so the woman AGREES to let her body reproduce.”

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Joseph –
first of all, it’s not a BILL, it’s a pledge.

and I suggest that YOU might want to read it – you’ll find it enlightening:

“I oppose assisted suicide, euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, and procedures that intentionally destroy developing human beings.

I pledge to the American people that I will defend all innocent human life. Abortion and the intentional killing of an innocent human being are always wrong and should be prohibited.”

in other words, it will outlaw the morning-after pill and certain forms of contraception.

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“And Obama the most far left President in our nations history hold the majority of the electorates values”

considering how many of Bush’s edicts he’s upheld, does that mean that W was a leftist, as well???

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md: but that life form only grows (or dies) into a human.

This is also not true. First, there could be abnormal growth. Second, something must first be “alive” to “die,” and I am not convinced anything is alive until it is born or outside the womb with a heartbeat and breathing.

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USinUK .. Really was Bush a conservative ?

He hoodwinked a nation and the party for sure….”Deficits don’t matter “…. Kind of like going bankrupt is OK.

Bigger government, not smaller…… the only really GOP thing he did was allow the markets to be free wheeling, and crush the American Home owner.

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“Really? She can put that part to the side and reattach it after having sex? I didn’t know that.”

not surprising.

but, yes, the woman can do everything she can to prevent pregnancy (the pill, IUD, etc) and yet STILL get pregnant.

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the primary party in Roe v Wade no longer believes in abortion…..just thought I’d throw that out there. That “perspective” thingy.

Well if you are going for accurate “perspective”, there were several named plaintiffs in 2 class actions which were combined into one case. The caption of the case is Jane Roe, et. al., appellants. There were also the Does, a childless married couple.

And I believe that Ms. Roe’s claim differs from “no longer believes in abortion”. Of course those who quickly say that Mr. Cain’s accusers are in it for the “money” and attention would never see the possibility that the “change of heart” could be motivated by the same drivers (not saying they are, just saying it be possible).

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Peter – good point – FISCAL conservative, he was not.

however, that doesn’t seem to matter these days … all that matters to the GOP (God’s Own Party) is that he toed the party line in regards to wimmen and their uteruses …

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Joseph: Read the bill instead of making things up about as you far lefties do on many occasions.

I read the bill. And I know exactly what it does. I also know once passed, the enforcement is no longer up to the electorate. It’s up to however the executive branch wishes to enforce it, usually to the letter of the law. Meaning: No IVF, no abortions ever for any reason, etc.

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“Second, something must first be “alive” to “die,” and I am not convinced anything is alive until it is born or outside the womb with a heartbeat and breathing.”

Talking about being obtuse……so, when C-sections are scheduled, the “baby” only exists on the day it is scheduled to be taken out?

So if they decide to move the c-section up a week, what exactly are they taking out?

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“No, that’s not a fact unless you are saying that “using” the woman really means “must negotiate so the woman AGREES to let her body reproduce.”

Nature is not concerned with agreement. Nature requires both the man and the woman to create a fertilied egg. Once that is accomplished the man has no further use to nature and everything else is up to the woman and her body. Whether the woman consents or not is not germain to nature’s requirements.

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“He had complete control for two solid years and changed and implemented so many regulations that have kept the economy from recovering more rapidly.”

YAY!!!! finally, we might be able to get an answer to this perplexing question:

WHICH / WHAT regulation has stymied economic recovery???

please. be specific. and show your work.

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How many of those bible thumping right wing tea baggers are willing to adopt unwanted minority children who are born to dysfunctional mothers?

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USinUK. Yes BUSH was not a financial conservative, please tell me anything he ran his entire life that actually made money ?

BUT hey his buddies couldn’t make all that War Money without war, and steal from the Treasury directly, as in what happened to a few Billion of the War funds, no one can account for ?

Back to the Abortion issue…. that ALL points to science, since they changed all the data for Global Warming to allow the environment to get ripped apart….. Oh that was for Jobs….. HA HA HA……what a joke….. Science is what they are using for the abortion issue.

Talk about a flip flop !

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“And she knows that when??”

excellent!!!

so, basically, being responsible with birth control isn’t enough … we’re back to the Sex Only for Procreation position (so to speak) that you’re supposedly not advocating

I hope you’re taking dramamine, md … you must be getting motion sickness from all the spinning

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Joseph

“Are you kidding….. What except for the Patriot Act and use of drones has he kept as for as Bush policies go… ”

You could learn a lot if you’d spend more time her.

Answer: spending.

It’s been extremely close to Pres Bush’s final budget.

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Paul…..I believe in education……that is the only answer to the situation. I’m not naive enough to believe abortions can ever be regulated to match what I believe. Folks are going to do what folks are going to do.

Much like regulating anything else……guns, drugs, speed limit…..pick one.

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Doggone/GA

December 29th, 2011
8:58 am

If I am reading your statements correctly then a woman has total right over the unborn child. She has the right to terminate the child, to have the child or to have the child and give it up for adoption and the man has no say so in the decision what so ever. (please correct me if I am misinterpreting your thoughts).

If the woman chooses to have said child then the man is then, at least, financially responsible to taking care of the child no matter if he wanted the child or not.

Can you please tell me why we have a law that gives one gender special rights over another gender? Is not the courts breaking the equal protection clause of the Constitution by enforcing the child support laws in this country?

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md

You are posting a lot, flitting from one thing to another, yet really not saying much.

Do you think any abortions should be legal?

And to clarify an earlier post of yours, when does childhood begin?

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Yup…… that 14 year old girl walking home from school in Marietta was sharing !

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“Yes being Raped is sharing….. a GOP Mantra !”

I think you missed the word “choose”…………..

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sheets

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md.. not sure I understand your point..If the GOP says no abortion to a 14 year old girl for getting raped walking home from school, who is protecting her ?

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Perhaps a GOP follower will answer this question I posed earlier……

If the GOP says no abortion to a 14 year old girl for getting raped walking home from school, who is protecting her ?

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md

“your questions have been answered……slow down and go read them.”

So this is where I ask “where” and you say “go back and do your own reading”?

I have.

You haven’t.

Diiiiiiiiiiiiiivert and Duuuuuuuuuuuuck!

Peter

He already answered that. You’ll just have to go back, read, and when you can’t find it, do it again!

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md. Are the GOP saying no abortion to those who get raped.YES or NO ?

Please answer.. Thank you !

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GT/MIT… Fantastic statement !

I believe that individuals should be in charge of their own social actions. I also believe that each individual should be responsible for those actions.

Thus they should have their own choice, kind of like how Republican’s want the “Market” to dictate the out come.

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td… Ok so you say she MUST have the child correct ?

You and the GOP playing God then correct ?

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td …….did the innocent Iraq citizens that got killed in US bombing, receive a automatic death sentence because of the actions of another person?

Try dealing with those questions.

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Peter

December 29th, 2011
9:33 am
td …….did the innocent Iraq citizens that got killed in US bombing, receive a automatic death sentence because of the actions of another person?

Who is to say they were innocent?

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Peter

How’s life in the vortex?

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Peter

December 29th, 2011
9:33 am

Also go look at my post from 9:18. Why is this nation giving special rights and powers to one gender over the other? Is this fair?

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Peter

December 29th, 2011
9:42 am
td. Please you think every Iraq Citizen was trying to take over America or the world ?

I do not know do you? If you go and look at what the Koran states then the answer is yes but who is to say if they really all believe in their own religious teachings.

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td: Why is this nation giving special rights and powers to one gender over the other? Is this fair?

No, it’s not. You’re right. Male privilege has to end.

And if you thought women are getting all the benefits while men are being persecuted, well, congratulations! You are a perfect example of the male privilege line of thinking!

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thank you td..

If you go and look at what the Koran states then the answer is yes but who is to say if they really all believe in their own religious teachings.

Back to my original point about Religion’s of all types are a TOOL for those who use it !

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“To answer your question then I am thinking right now that it seems the 14 year old “being forced” to have the child is more humane then to kill the innocent child. What are your and others thoughts?”

1 – refering to it as a “child” is wrong, when the pregnancy is first determined it is not a child, it is a fetus, or cells clinging together with no hope ability to survive on its own
2 – you have obviously never been a 14 yr old girl- do you know how damaging pregnancy is on a woman, much less a girl who was just raped – the most horrible of all crimes – and now she has to walk around showing that shame and embarassment for the next 9 months – while not even being mature enough to deal with either two life altering situations….
3 – you stay away from my body decisions and I will stay away form yours – end of argument – case closed.

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Paul. What thread are you referring too ?

Thank you.

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Peter

December 29th, 2011
9:45 am
I guess really td you don’t believe in individual rights….. I am talking about a rape victim, someone who has already had her rights taken away from her, by a sick person

So you are saying that we as a nation have to give a rape victim the special right to take another human life because their individual right was taken from them in the first place?

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Peter

If you scroll up to the top right, you’ll see a heading of “Recent Posts” and under that is the list of threads from newest descending to oldest. The most current is “Poor Newt Gingrich Hoisted By His Own Petard in Iowa.”

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I think whether you are right or left you probably share a lot of the same values. No one wants high crime, high taxes and war. I think we all want the same things yet we bicker on how to acheive them.

I think the problem these days is that when chosing a President we chose what we deem is the lesser of two evils. I personally am not happy with gingrich or Romney but I think they are better then what we have…or even had with Bush. I think the current President has done little or nothing to solve issues we care baout today yet he has spent like no one before him.

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USinUK:

This is exactly what it says. I realize sometimes facts get in the way for you far leftys but this is the reality of what the amendment says….

Be it Enacted by the People of the State of Mississippi: SECTION 1. Article III of the constitution of the state of Mississippi is hereby amended BY THE ADDITION OF A NEW SECTION TO READ: Section 33. Person defined. As used in this Article III of the state constitution, “The term ‘person’ or ‘persons’ shall include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.” This initiative shall not require any additional revenue for implementation.

This is exactly how it was worded on the ballot… I understand that most liberals get their information from irrelevant dishonest news sources who blantantly lie and distort so that their point of view seems real but most informed people know better….

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Only females are normally capable of birthing another human at the current time. Only the involved female with the possiblity of giving birth(pregnant) should have the individual right to determine what does or does not occur. Others can offer advice and opinion but only the personally involved pregnant female has the right to determine the course of her physical condition.

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