Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest
In November, 58 percent of voters in Mississippi rejected a so-called “personhood amendment,” which stated that human life begins at the moment of fertilization and gave human embryos all of the legal protections of a person. Destroying an embryo by any means would be considered murder.
The amendment would have outlawed abortion even in cases of rape and incest, as well as embryonic stem-cell research. According to personhood backers, it would also affect birth-control methods such as the morning-after pill, the IUD and even the standard birth-control pill, which works by preventing the fertilized embryo from attaching itself to the uterus. As a practical matter, its adoption would also halt in vitro fertilization to help childless couples.
Nonetheless, four of the top five candidates for the Republican nomination — Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry — last night publicly committed themselves to the cause of personhood and to the candidate pledge promoted by Personhood USA.
Mitt Romney has ducked the issue, arguing that human life begins at conception but concluding that such decisions should be made at the state rather than federal level. Jon Huntsman has said the personhood movement “goes too far.”
– Jay Bookman
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USinUK
December 29th, 2011
5:29 am
“Mitt Romney has ducked the issue, arguing that human life begins at conception but concluding that such decisions should be made at the state rather than federal level”
oy.
such decisions should be made BY THE WOMAN not the state. so much for “getting government out of our personal lives”
philosopher
December 29th, 2011
5:42 am
Men have no business making laws about abortion. Men shouldn’t be doing anything more than talking about it, discussing it, and ASKING WOMEN ABOUT IT. The laws governing reproduction, (if any at all!) should be written by women. Until one man carries a baby to full term and breast feeds it, he’s got absolutely no business exerting any legal opinion about it. It’s all bullcrap control and power over women and any woman sitting back letting it happen is pitiable. I suggest all women remain celibate until men accept the fact that the only role they should have in the matter is providing healthcare and support for women and children. Reproductive decisions belong to the women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
5:44 am
meanwhile … OUCH … that’s gotta sting:
Kent Sorenson, Bachmann’s Iowa chair, defects to Paul
Talk about fairweather friends. Iowa state Sen. Kent Sorenson (R), who was Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann’s state campaign chairman, endorsed Texas Rep. Ron Paul Wednesday night.
At a rally in Des Moines, Sorenson told the crowd, “We’re going to take Ron Paul all the way to the White House.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/kent-sorenson-bachmanns-iowa-chair-defects-to-paul/2011/12/28/gIQALSDPNP_blog.html?hpid=z2
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
6:27 am
and in other news …
evidently the CIA gave the leaders of South America cancer …
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/8981643/Cristina-Kirchner-cancer-Hugo-Chavez-ponders-if-US-gave-Latin-American-leaders-cancer.html
(which is why I laughed last week when certain people on this here blog were touting Chugo Chavez’s comments about Obama … the man clearly has issues)
Normal
December 29th, 2011
6:35 am
http://history.icanhascheezburger.com/2011/12/28/funny-pictures-history-technology/
Normal
December 29th, 2011
6:36 am
USinUK…
“We’re going to take Ron Paul all the way to the White House.”
I think that means they are taking him on the paid tour…
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
6:38 am
Normal – 6:36 – I hope they remembered to give them his SSN first – otherwise, he won’t be admitted …
so, do you and Mrs. Normal have the house to yourselves, now??? has the quiet descended???
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
6:50 am
if anyone ever wants to know why I’m agains the death penalty, I’m going to show them this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/opinion/justice-and-prosecutorial-misconduct.html?_r=1&hp
Michael Morton was exonerated by DNA evidence this month after being wrongfully convicted of murdering his wife and serving nearly 25 years in prison in Texas. In seeking to prove Mr. Morton’s innocence, his lawyers found in recently unsealed court records evidence that the prosecutor in the original trial, Ken Anderson, had withheld critical evidence that may have helped Mr. Morton.
oh, and the prosecutor? he’s now a judge.
The Innocence Project report found that Mr. Anderson willfully failed to disclose police notes that another man committed the murder, concealed from the trial judge that he did not provide the full police report and advised his successor as prosecutor “to oppose all of Mr. Morton’s postconviction motions for DNA testing.”
the term “prosecutorial misconduct” seems so inadequate …
Normal
December 29th, 2011
6:50 am
The last of the Normal Brood leave today, going back to Texas. A family of fine Democrats to help stir the pot…The Missus and I will take a short break around New Year’s Day to Florida… I’m looking for property…
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
6:59 am
Normal – 6:50 – my dad has a place down in Stuart and la-la-LOVES it!
Normal
December 29th, 2011
7:09 am
USinUK,
Yes, Stuart is cool but I’m looking on the Pan Handle….closer to family, and all, plus I want a property that I can put a small coffee/doughnut/bagel/sandwich/media shop in and be able to live on the top floor. All near or on the beach, of course…
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
7:22 am
Normal – I bake! I’ll make your cakes and cookies for you, you job creator, you!!
Paul
December 29th, 2011
7:22 am
Mornin’ USinUK, mornin’, Normal!
Something struck me last night (while I was watching the University of Texas football team do what Gov Perry can’t: win). That whole argument of the ‘life begins at conception and give’em personhood status’ thing. It’s another case where what we are dealing with is opinion. Not science. Opinion. Yet those who advocate the position do not acknowledge it’s their opinion, they speak as if when life begins is an absolute fact.
Just another example of the Right’s hostility towards science and their desire to make law based upon their feelings. (”Feelings” – what they used to accuse the Left of being all about. Looks like that was misplaced, too).
Paul
December 29th, 2011
7:24 am
Normal
Where in FL? Was there a few months ago – lots and lots and lots of property. House I sold 12 years ago doubled in value, then crashed so now it’s on the property tax records as worth less than what I sold it for.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
7:27 am
Make that “It’s another case where what we are dealing with is opinion. Not fact.”.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
7:31 am
Paul – 7:22 – exactly – and their “opinions” and “feelings” outweigh anyone who feels differently – and, more to the point, they outweigh the ramifications.
FACT is – when you outlaw abortion, they become MORE frequent, not less.
FACT is – when you outlaw contraception, pregnancies happen MORE frequently – and, thus, abortions happen more frequently – not less.
there was an interesting story in the Telegraph today about the increase in selective abortion because of IVF – last year, there were 101 women who went through the procedure to reduce the number of fetuses they were carrying because the risk of birth defects / complications caused by multiples.
the FACT is that many women who have abortions don’t do it because they don’t want to have children – they do it because they want to give the children they DO have the best chance in life.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
7:37 am
USinUK
Not trying to bait anyone (okay, maybe just a little) but this whole line of thought of “I know best and I’m going to exert control over everything to make sure things go the ‘right’ way” is very characteristic of (bet you think I’m going to say ‘extreme Muslims,” eh) of those with certain types of behavioral addictions. The labor under the false belief that there is a ‘right’ way and if they can’t make it happen they’re shameful and guilty so they double down as control freaks and stay that way until some personal crisis happens and they get help.
Hey, do you think there’s a 12-step program for farRight cons?
md
December 29th, 2011
7:39 am
“Men have no business making laws about abortion.”
Utter BS………all this talk about choice, yet the woman has made many prior to getting pregnant.
If they don’t want the man involved in the decision about “junior”, then they shouldn’t have made the choice to let daddy in the house in the first place.
After the fact doesn’t cut it……mommy is no longer the sole parent.
md
December 29th, 2011
7:41 am
Paul….must be referring to Bill Maher.
Interesting how even atheists can get caught up in having to be right about their “beliefs”.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
7:42 am
“Hey, do you think there’s a 12-step program for farRight cons?”
the first step is admitting they have a problem …
could be a stumbling block …
sheepdawg
December 29th, 2011
7:42 am
What I really want to do is push granny’s wheelchair off the cliff after I cancel her Medicare and her Social Security payments. I want her to stand in line with her food stamps to buy dog food. If Granny can’t pull herself up by her bootstraps, she doesn’t deserve to be called an American. I want all Muslims deported from this country after all of those despicable Mexicans and other Latinos have been sent home. Then I want to reduce the income tax rate for all of my rich friends to 5% and let those “losers” who don’t pay any federal income tax pay more than Warren Buffet’s secretary. I want gun ports cut into the walls of my house so that when the Black invasion comes to my neighborhood, I will be prepared. Maybe if we could just get all of the white people in the neighborhood together, especially all of those with fully automatic AK-47s, before it happens, we will have an advantage. If all of this doesn’t work, then I think we should establish our own country where we don’t have to deal with all of those people who don’t work, have baby factories in their own welfare provided homes and refuse to follow Michelle’s edicts on losing weight. Guess that about does it for my Republican platform. Think I’ll do well in Iowa?
This is funny until your realize this IS the GOP platform. Then its scary. If our state passes the personhood crap, we will have officically taken over the bottom of the scum bucket for ignorance. The fact we have elected officials who endores this BS is an embarrassment already.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
7:43 am
“After the fact doesn’t cut it……mommy is no longer the sole parent.”
yay!!!! let’s hear it for second-class citizens … people whose decision-making over THEIR body takes second place to the person who won’t have to carry the little nipper around for nearly 10 months …
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
7:44 am
“Interesting how even atheists can get caught up in having to be right about their “beliefs”.”
um
it’s called the first amendment.
they do have a right to exercise their beliefs.
md
December 29th, 2011
7:49 am
“yay!!!! let’s hear it for second-class citizens … people whose decision-making over THEIR body takes second place to the person who won’t have to carry the little nipper around for nearly 10 months …”
And THEY made the choice to share that body THEY have control over resulting in an equation that now has THREE variables.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
7:50 am
md
Maher’s the extremist at the other end of the spectrum.
There must be balance in the Force.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
7:51 am
md
So what does your riff on personal responsibility have to do with granting fertilized eggs personhood status?
md
December 29th, 2011
7:51 am
“it’s called the first amendment.
they do have a right to exercise their beliefs.”
Umm…..there is a difference between having a right and having to BE right. Bill is actually no different than Tim…….yet must not know that.
A belief is just that…..a BELIEF…..regardless what the belief is, it can not be proven.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
7:54 am
“And THEY made the choice to share that body THEY have control over resulting in an equation that now has THREE variables.”
ah. no. really, only 1: the woman who has to carry the pregnancy. the woman who could die due to complications and/or childbirth.
as far as the “choice” she made – I hate to be the one to break it to you, but birth control fails every single day.
regarding Bill M and having to BE right, I’m sure you have JUST as much aggro about the people on the right who are the same way. as Paul says, it’s just a balance in the universe.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
7:55 am
USinUK
Another thing: you know how Newt and Perry are so big on voter ID laws to protect the country against fraudulent individuals who want ot influence the system by not playing by the rules and subvert our electoral process?
See what happens when these guys can’t follow the election rules and are so disorganized and not serious that they couldn’t qualify to get on the ballot in Virginia? What do they do? Say “the electoral system is sacred. We have checks in place to protect the integrity of our voting system and to make sure only those who are qualified to participate can participate”?
Nope. They don’t say that.
They sue.
md
December 29th, 2011
7:55 am
“So what does your riff on personal responsibility have to do with granting fertilized eggs personhood status?”
Merely about definitions………an arbitrary line established by US.
We choose to engage in the making of junior (personal responsibility), then we need to also be big enough to handle the consequences of having junior. Junior didn’t ask or choose to enter the equation…………..
TaxPayer
December 29th, 2011
7:55 am
Will Republicans require that all women report immediately upon completion of intercourse to a monitoring site, at their own expense, to insure that they do nothing that might reduce the chances at a successful term. I mean, someone has to make sure that the woman eats only approved foods and drinks only approved drinks and avoids any physical situation that may tend to increase the odds of aborting. Perhaps md should pick up the tab for said monitoring in exchange for having his say. Please note that I am using you, md, in the generic sense here, kthks.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
7:59 am
“We choose to engage in the making of junior (personal responsibility), then we need to also be big enough to handle the consequences of having junior. ”
ah, yes … the “sex only for procreation” argument …
it’s never worked for thousands of years … but, you’re right, let’s try it now, I’m SURE it will take.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:00 am
“ah. no. really, only 1: the woman who has to carry the pregnancy. the woman who could die due to complications and/or childbirth. ”
Hmmm…….wasn’t she aware of those possibilities prior to getting into that state? Now, there is also a “Dad”, and he does/should have rights as well. (and we’ll leave junior out of it for now)
“regarding Bill M and having to BE right, I’m sure you have JUST as much aggro about the people on the right who are the same way. as Paul says, it’s just a balance in the universe.”
I call it like I see it……a belief knows no aspect on the line of the political spectrum.
Normal
December 29th, 2011
8:00 am
Paul @ 0722, USinUK @ 0731,
Well said and hopefully will open the minds of the “narrow”…
But, it is the arrogance of the religious right that amazes me. They obviously believe that they know better than God and would take the God given right to choose the Biblical right or wrong by legislation. Arrogance run amok.
If they really want to stop abortion, then legislate less regulation (sound familiar?) on birth control.
They also need to step into the 21st century and realize that sex is also recreational. Open some eyes there, people.
TimeForRealChange
December 29th, 2011
8:02 am
So what? There’s absolutely no chance of Roe v Wade being overturned. I’m a lot more worried about Obama getting reelected and going all out on gun control.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:03 am
“Now, there is also a “Dad”, and he does/should have rights as well”
should my husband or boyfriend have more rights over my body than I do.
that would be a great big HELL TO THE NO.
but thanks for playing.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:03 am
Time – “So what? There’s absolutely no chance of Roe v Wade being overturned”
don’t read much, do you?
it’s being chipped away at every day – particularly with “personhood” statutes like this.
TaxPayer
December 29th, 2011
8:04 am
md,
What about the guy that believes as you that he should have a say in this matter and says he does want the woman to have an abortion. I mean it’s all about the choice made after said sexual encounter too. Then, there is the choice to use birth control pills. Does the woman have the right to use them even though they are known to cause abortions. Does the man have a right to deny the woman access to birth control pills. Just askin’.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:08 am
“ah, yes … the “sex only for procreation” argument … ”
Who made that argument…you?
Merely stating what I see as the facts……how one deals with that is up to them.
Eating pizza is also wonderful……yet do it every day and one stands a good chance of having a heart attack. Same with cigarettes, drugs, etc. And some of those choices actually are regulated by our benevolent gov’t.
We choose everything we do, so don’t choose to have a man involved and then act like that choice was never made…..I don’t see it working that way.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:11 am
“Who made that argument…you?
Merely stating what I see as the facts”
yes – the sex only for procreation argument – as illustrated by “so don’t choose to have a man involved ”
sorry, bubba – like I said – these are your OPINIONS
the FACTS say that, in countries where abortion was outlawed, the number of abortions actually INCREASED, not decreased. so if you want to be the CAUSE of more abortions, keep up with your argument …
md
December 29th, 2011
8:12 am
“should my husband or boyfriend have more rights over my body than I do.”
If you choose to allow that in step one……then to me, a man has equal right at that point. A man can get just as uppity when a woman feels she has the sole right to terminate HIS child……body or no body. In the natural order of life, he must use the female……if the female doesn’t like it, don’t let him in.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:14 am
“sorry, bubba – like I said – these are your OPINIONS”
Of course they are……….but somebodies opinions govern how we live every single day.
TaxPayer
December 29th, 2011
8:14 am
md,
I sure hope you asked your potential mate all those most pertinent questions and received satisfactory answers before your clubbed her and dragged her off to your mancave.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:15 am
And my engrish teacher would shoot me for that use of “somebody’s”.
TimeForRealChange
December 29th, 2011
8:17 am
Obama signed the NDAA. Seems like you lefties would be upset about that, but you aren’t. Shouldn’t surprise me, civil rights seem to fall by the wayside when the left wants to get their guy elected.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 29th, 2011
8:17 am
Well lets see….. if men have rights over whether a woman can have an abortion because it involves a life, then certainly it is not hard for the next leap…. I can demand a kidney from you to save my life. After all, we are saving lives and that is the “absolute” right?
md
December 29th, 2011
8:18 am
“I sure hope you asked your potential mate all those most pertinent questions and received satisfactory answers before your clubbed her and dragged her off to your mancave.”
Actually, we did discuss it prior to getting married…..as all folks should. Might be why we are still together.
Very simple questions in the search for compatibility. It’s not like we don’t have a clue where those little buggers come from…….we have known for quite some time how the process works.
Normal
December 29th, 2011
8:19 am
md,
Your argument is not valid. The woman’s body is her’s to do with as she feels is right. As I remember it Roe V. Wade was just such a case. The woman did not want the child while the man did. The woman won, and it was the correct decision by the court.
Still the best prevention of abortion is contraceptives….get them out there and make sure there are plenty of them.
TimeForRealChange
December 29th, 2011
8:19 am
USinUK: Roe v Wade has no chance of being overturned. Absolutely none. I read quite a bit, thank you.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:20 am
“I can demand a kidney from you to save my life. After all, we are saving lives and that is the “absolute” right?”
Is that kidney contain 50% of “his” dna?
Ron Burgundy
December 29th, 2011
8:21 am
I think every man who commits a felony should be sterilized. They can have it reversed when they show they have changed for the better. I also think people who are one govt care should have their checks held if they continue to conceive kids.
Quagmire
December 29th, 2011
8:22 am
I prefer the “Pull Out Method”
Finn McCool
December 29th, 2011
8:22 am
The problem isn’t with the candidates; the problem is with the base.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:22 am
“Is (sic) that kidney contain 50% of “his” dna?
wow. so, he can demand a kidney from his child …
interesting.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:23 am
“Your argument is not valid. The woman’s body is her’s to do with as she feels is right. As I remember it Roe V. Wade was just such a case. The woman did not want the child while the man did. The woman won, and it was the correct decision by the court.”
Actually Normal, my argument is valid……but does not hold up under current “definitions”. But as we all know, we make the definitions……….
And I agree with your statement on contraceptives….education is always the key to making good choices.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:23 am
change – obviously you don’t read since you aren’t following what’s going on at the state level and since you seem blissfully ignorant of the Roberts court.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:25 am
md
Nice segue. I’m sure timeforrealchange will appreciate this.
Paper, front page the other day, multiple homicide results from 2011 in our area. Was really a shame. Most occurred while people were at home and someone appeared with a gun and killed the victims. Mothers and children. Wives, sisters, brothers. It was a shame there wasn’t a man in the house with a gun to protect them.
Except, in all those multiple homicide cases, there was a man in the house. With a gun. Who just shot and killed his wife, girlfriend and children.
Oh well…. Obama wants your guns so send more money to the NRA so LaPierre can get a boost to his million-dollar salary.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:25 am
“Actually Normal, my argument is valid……but does not hold up under current “definitions”. But as we all know, we make the definitions……….”
and, once you decide that someone’s sovereignty over their own body is the priority, Katie Bar the Door … and let’s bring back slavery and instigate organ farms.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:25 am
dammit … once you decid that someone’s sovereignty over their own body is NOT the priority …
need lunch.
TaxPayer
December 29th, 2011
8:26 am
Actually, we did discuss it prior to getting married…..as all folks should. Might be why we are still together.
Very simple questions in the search for compatibility. It’s not like we don’t have a clue where those little buggers come from…….we have known for quite some time how the process works.
And what of those couples that decide they are okay with abortion. And the pair that get together for casual sex with no discussion of abortion rights over dinner or drinks first. What then. Are they required to fall back on your default scenario.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:27 am
I’ll make it easy for you folks that don’t seem to get where I’m coming from. Just as usuk and other “women” will fight to the death for control over “their” body, I would fight to the death for the life of “my” child……………..
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:28 am
“I would fight to the death for the life of “my” child……………..”
then, I suggest you offer to carry it, first.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:28 am
TImeFor
Okay, I’ll bite.
Why isn’t the Right and talk radio and such singing Pres Obama’s praises for signing the NDAA?
Or…. do you oppose it?
if so
why hasn’t the Right and talk radio condemned Pres Obama for signing the NDAA?
Finn McCool
December 29th, 2011
8:29 am
Robert Reich:
My political prediction for 2012 (based on absolutely no inside information): Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden swap places. Biden becomes Secretary of State — a position he’s apparently coveted for years. And Hillary Clinton, Vice President.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:30 am
“dammit … once you decid that someone’s sovereignty over their own body is NOT the priority … ”
Yet, she has sovereign rights over the body of another…….hmm………of course definitions allow her to discount that body at the moment.
Doggone/GA
December 29th, 2011
8:30 am
“then, I suggest you offer to carry it, first”
And that is the whole crux of the matter. It is not man, nor is it man’s laws, that gives a woman sole control over her body and her pregnancy…it is NATURE who did that.
Doggone/GA
December 29th, 2011
8:31 am
“Yet, she has sovereign rights over the body of another”
That’s exactly right. Because it is HER body that is the sole means of support for her pregnancy.
Mary Elizabeth
December 29th, 2011
8:31 am
I distrust the thinking of those who perceive in absolutist terms, such as signing a pledge never to raise taxes, or declaring an embryo a person at the moment of conception.
That type of purist thinking often renders harm to others, especially when it is mandated. A lack of empathetic imagination toward others usually bears destructive fruit. Whether or not to undergo abortion should be an individual choice. As a society, we can educate how best to avoid that unfortunate choice, but we should not mandate an absence of choice to those whose circumstances might be very different from our own.
I believe abortion should not be allowed after a certain time within the pregnancy, and certainly not within the last trimester, except for extremely unusual circumstances.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:32 am
md
“I’ll make it easy for you folks that don’t seem to get where I’m coming from. Just as usuk and other “women” will fight to the death for control over “their” body, I would fight to the death for the life of “my” child………”
I am really happy you finally said what your point is.
So…. if you would fight to the death for the life of your child, why are you so concerned about what women not in your family do? Which leads to the clarifying question: when, in your opinion, does ‘childhood’ begin?
philosopher
December 29th, 2011
8:32 am
TaxPayer
December 29th, 2011
8:14 am
md,
I sure hope you asked your potential mate all those most pertinent questions and received satisfactory answers before your clubbed her and dragged her off to your mancave.
Perfectly said!
I just want to tell md to SHUT the heck up! But since that would not be appropriate, let me just tell you to stuff your chauvanistic, shallow opinions back into the 16th century and leave them! Again, until you can put your life at risk via pregnancy, breast feed and nurture a newborn… and do both while working full time, enjoy your baby-making apparatus quietly, please.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:32 am
“then, I suggest you offer to carry it, first.”
Seeing as “nature” didn’t design it that way, I’ll have to stick with the process that is there…..and with technology improving daily in that arena, it may not be too long before that is a viable alternative.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:32 am
“Yet, she has sovereign rights over the body of another…….hmm………of course definitions allow her to discount that body at the moment.”
yes – as long as the non-sentient fetus is reliant on her for everything from oxygen to nutrients to a uterus, she has dominion over it.
TaxPayer
December 29th, 2011
8:33 am
I’ll make it easy for you folks that don’t seem to get where I’m coming from. Just as usuk and other “women” will fight to the death for control over “their” body, I would fight to the death for the life of “my” child……………..
Who’s death. Still, the choices you make are not the only choices that can be made and this thread is about allowing for more choices than simply the ones you approve of,md.
Ron Burgundy
December 29th, 2011
8:34 am
This whole rape problem would be minimized if we could start torturing the violent criminals. They get to live in a prison thats probably better conditions then the pig stye they came from. They get meals whatever else they want. I say you make prison a place that deters crime.
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:35 am
“and with technology improving daily in that arena, it may not be too long before that is a viable alternative.”
and when it does, shall we MANDATE (pun intended) that women turn over the fetuses to the men who want them?
what if the couple splits up and the man and woman both want the fetus? shall they go to court for it?
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:35 am
Good Morning, Mary Elizabeth
A moderate position?
See where that got Huntsman with the Republican kingmakers? (Okay, Bachman’s in the mix, so I should have written “and queenmakers” but that would have gotten the Right all stirred up, looking for hidden meanings and such).
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:36 am
“They get to live in a prison thats probably better conditions then the pig stye they came from. They get meals whatever else they want. I say you make prison a place that deters crime.”
hahahahaha …
tell you what.
you go spend a night in prison and tell me how cushy it is.
you probably also think that people live plush lives on unemployment.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:36 am
Ron Burgundy
As was true last night, this blog is not hosting auditions to replace Redneck Convert.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:38 am
“So…. if you would fight to the death for the life of your child, why are you so concerned about what women not in your family do? Which leads to the clarifying question: when, in your opinion, does ‘childhood’ begin?”
Interesting……..never said I’m so concerned about others and what they do…..merely posting what I believe. I think assumptions run amuk on these here boards when folks post comments.
But, why shouldn’t what I believe be considered? We have current laws based on somebody’s beliefs………and some science. When we get to the point where we can reproduce without the female, then all bets are off…….as the definitions will likely change anyhow.
Doggone/GA
December 29th, 2011
8:38 am
“This whole rape problem would be minimized if we could start torturing the violent criminals”
And do you REALLY want to live in a society where people who are willing to torture others are allowed to live among us freely?
TaxPayer
December 29th, 2011
8:40 am
If the male fails to make certain prior to intercourse that he will approve of all possible outcomes that may follow, then he should forgo final say afterward until such time that medical advances will allow for other viable options that still include the woman’s right to dictate the terms over her own body, just as the man currently does.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:41 am
md
If you read back thru your posts, do you see how “this is what I believe” can very easily be read as “this is what I think should be”?
But thank you for the clarification. We now understand everything you posted is just your belief, not held out as fact, applies only to yourself and your wife, and you have absolutely no interest in seeing that view adopted by others, let alone pushing it to be incorporated into our system of laws.
md
December 29th, 2011
8:42 am
“I just want to tell md to SHUT the heck up! But since that would not be appropriate, let me just tell you to stuff your chauvanistic, shallow opinions back into the 16th century and leave them! Again, until you can put your life at risk via pregnancy, breast feed and nurture a newborn… and do both while working full time, enjoy your baby-making apparatus quietly, please.”
I’m assuming here, but there are plenty that think otherwise……I’m guessing you have never had your child aborted without your consent…….tends to lead to a bit different perspective.
Mary Elizabeth
December 29th, 2011
8:42 am
Good morning to you, too, Paul. Here’s to a good day ahead, and to a blessed new year for you and yours.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:43 am
“Huntsman tells CBS’s “The Early Show” the formula, so far as he is concerned, is quite elementary. Says Huntsman: “They pick corn in Iowa. They pick presidents in New Hampshire.”"
LOL! Huntsman’s going to go out rubbing their noses in it!
USinUK
December 29th, 2011
8:43 am
Paul – the only flaw with your post is that he hasn’t stated it as opinions … he’s stated them as facts:
“Merely stating what I see as the facts……how one deals with that is up to them.”
md
December 29th, 2011
8:44 am
“But thank you for the clarification. We now understand everything you posted is just your belief, not held out as fact, applies only to yourself and your wife, and you have absolutely no interest in seeing that view adopted by others, let alone pushing it to be incorporated into our system of laws.”
Actually Paul, since I believe that way, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings to see laws/education bent in that direction…….no different than the laws of others currently on the books that I have to follow.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:45 am
Thank you, Mary Elizabeth
And the same blessings for you and yours.
(Hey, can the ungodly socialistliberalunchristiannotrightwing elements in our society use a word like ‘blessed”?)
Finn McCool
December 29th, 2011
8:46 am
Didn’t we settle all this with Roe/Wade?
md
December 29th, 2011
8:46 am
“what if the couple splits up and the man and woman both want the fetus? shall they go to court for it?”
Don’t they do that already??
As viability increases, it makes sense that the definition of “child” will also change. Custody cases are a daily occurrence.
Paul
December 29th, 2011
8:46 am
USinUK
I was trying a gentler way – hence the “if you read back thru your posts do you see how….”
md
Okay, so if you’d like to see society go that way, back to my earlier question based upon what you’ve written: when does childhood begin?
Finn McCool
December 29th, 2011
8:47 am
Abortion is legal. End of story. No one, no group, no party will ever change that. Learn to deal.
philosopher
December 29th, 2011
8:48 am
“I’m assuming here, but there are plenty that think otherwise……I’m guessing you have never had your child aborted without your consent…….tends to lead to a bit different perspective”
It’s really sad for you if “your” baby was aborted.. Next time make one with someone interested in providing you with a child.
Peter
December 29th, 2011
8:48 am
Well no problem invading another country for Oil, and of course a bunch of KILLING during the process…but hey some poor girl gets raped, and she is made to carry an unwanted baby !
GOP wrong consistently…. Killing is Killing no matter what the age.
But that goes back to Religion…..the GOP will pray to God before WAR, but tell you it is a sin to have an abortion, all while they ignore the rest of the 10 commandments.
Religion the GREAT TOOL of the GOP !
Finn McCool
December 29th, 2011
8:48 am
Santorum is surging in Iowa.
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December 29th, 2011
8:49 am
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Finn McCool
December 29th, 2011
8:50 am
GOP wrong consistently…
word
stands for decibels
December 29th, 2011
8:50 am
mornin.
What is most troubling in the way this discussion is being framed, in the context of Presidential politics, is that a guy like Romney who merely leaves the door open for allowing exceptions to terminate a pregnancy, who lies about Planned Parenthood being “primarily about abortion” — he gets seen by the corporate media as the more reasonable Republican.
As always, the question “reasonable compared to WHAT?” doesn’t get asked.
Finn McCool
December 29th, 2011
8:51 am
Eli Jones, gets the FND award!
First Nutcase of the Day
Doggone/GA
December 29th, 2011
8:52 am
Eli – is your real name Rip Van Winkle?