Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest
In November, 58 percent of voters in Mississippi rejected a so-called “personhood amendment,” which stated that human life begins at the moment of fertilization and gave human embryos all of the legal protections of a person. Destroying an embryo by any means would be considered murder.
The amendment would have outlawed abortion even in cases of rape and incest, as well as embryonic stem-cell research. According to personhood backers, it would also affect birth-control methods such as the morning-after pill, the IUD and even the standard birth-control pill, which works by preventing the fertilized embryo from attaching itself to the uterus. As a practical matter, its adoption would also halt in vitro fertilization to help childless couples.
Nonetheless, four of the top five candidates for the Republican nomination — Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry — last night publicly committed themselves to the cause of personhood and to the candidate pledge promoted by Personhood USA.
Mitt Romney has ducked the issue, arguing that human life begins at conception but concluding that such decisions should be made at the state rather than federal level. Jon Huntsman has said the personhood movement “goes too far.”
– Jay Bookman
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TGT
December 28th, 2011
7:06 pm
“Murder” is a legal definition.
Abortion is not an illegal procedure.
So when slavery was legal it was morally okay?
Debbie, when someone makes the claim,”If it can’t “live” outside of the womb, then it is not a viable LIVING human being,” it is logically valid to conclude that if it can live outside the womb, it is a viable human being. I was then making the leap that you would not be for killing “viable” humans, but perhaps I was wrong.
Paul, the pro-life defn. I subscribe to says that, “a new human life is created at the moment of fertilization and is, thus, entitled to the same legal protection as any other human being.”
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
7:06 pm
And yet another silly drive-by…you’re more predictable than I am and that’s saying a lot!
Another case of a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
F. Sinkwich
December 28th, 2011
7:07 pm
“So you are okay if a vet gets a job in your state, he has, say, 20 years of service, works in your state government for five years and retires with your state paying him a pension for 25 years service?”
So that’s the case with Gov. Perry?
Paul is a liar.
A dad
December 28th, 2011
7:08 pm
Understood Debbie, all genetic codes are unique, but like my examples, animals are not humans.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
7:09 pm
So when slavery was legal it was morally okay?
Moving the goal post alert!
ragnar danneskjold
December 28th, 2011
7:09 pm
Democrats unanimously favor killing babies in the womb, with no preconditions.
josef
December 28th, 2011
7:10 pm
PAUL
Mississippi ain’t too bright…first place to repeal English law of couverture, first to grant women college degrees equal to men, and first to open a state supported institution for their education…and look at what that led to…if they hadn’t done all that these uppity women wouldn’t be making such a big issue, they’d still be subservient to and property of men the way G-d intended…
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
7:10 pm
Another Webstatar’s Republican Dictionary Word For The Day:
Adultery: (noun and sometimes a verb) Something that Dems are prone to do but a Repub never EVER does (or admits to doing).
Sentence: New Gingrich said that Bill Clinton was complicit in adultery.
Welcome to the Occupation
December 28th, 2011
7:10 pm
Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest
In other words, real mad hatters are they.
I mean really barking mad, these Republicans.
Paul
December 28th, 2011
7:11 pm
TGT
Well, thank you and I retract my prior remarks.
So…. no exceptions for whether or not the life of the mother is threatened?
Yours is essentially the Catholic position, yes?
Adam
December 28th, 2011
7:12 pm
TGT: “a new human life is created at the moment of fertilization and is, thus, entitled to the same legal protection as any other human being.”
So you advocate the other standard positions pro-life supporters generally support, such as no food stamps for human beings, no welfare for human beings, must have an ID to vote and pay for any documentation to do so, must pull yourself up by your bootstraps and be helped by NO ONE to get there… etc?
So let’s make sure that when a woman gets pregnant that if she doesn’t have a job, or an education, she has to go get a job, and PAY FOR an education (nothing public, public is bad), and also pay for anything else needed to get there and must not be helped by any doctors unless she can pay full cost or for health insurance, assuming she doesn’t have a pre-existing condition and if she picks a health insurance company that drops her well that’s her own fault and she can always just go to another company!
josef
December 28th, 2011
7:13 pm
ADAM
Picayune? Est-ce qu’ils parlent francais? Adam, but, m’lad, that’s what you did. Parsing it later is fine and good and even acceptable…but…
TaxPayer
December 28th, 2011
7:13 pm
Republican women must abstain from their birth control pills. It’s just the right thing to do.
Paul
December 28th, 2011
7:14 pm
F. Sinkwich
Diverson!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOLOL!!!!
You know perfectly well from my prior post Gov Perry did not retire from the AF.
As I stated, his years of federal service are credited for state retirement.
Liar? You know very well what the issue is here.
Then again, I’m open to the possibility you just don’t have a minimum level of understanding.
josef
December 28th, 2011
7:14 pm
K’chak
No sport? You’re slipping…
Adam
December 28th, 2011
7:16 pm
josef: Sadly I chose Spanish in high school. Even more sadly, I remember very little. I am a typical American that really only knows one spoken language
Sorry you’re offended but it’s pretty clear that if a mostly conservative state (despite their somewhat distant past on other issues) does not pass Personhood, it is a good test for just how viable it is for the general public.
Adam
December 28th, 2011
7:17 pm
TaxPayer: Republican women must abstain from their birth control pills. It’s just the right thing to do.
Are you INSANE?!? That will just raise more Republicans!
Well, then again, they may rebel…. hmmm….
Paul
December 28th, 2011
7:17 pm
Adam
It goes beyond that.
I think TGT’s position would lead to food stamps for the fertilized egg, parents getting to claim another exemption if mom’s pregnant, mom getting charged two tickets for going to the cinema, the parents getting charged another dependent premium for health insurance….
man, these cons are gonna run up costs for everyone!
bman
December 28th, 2011
7:17 pm
I don’t think anyone likes abortions. I also think, that under no circumstances, should tax dollars be used for anyone to have an abortion. I don’t think it should be illegal, but I wonder if it’s just the woman’s choice. I believe the father should have some say in the matter. But, that will never, ever happen.
josef
December 28th, 2011
7:18 pm
Okay, time to be fair and balanced. It came as no surprise to me that the voters in Mississippi rejected the amendment, given what I was hearing from the folks back home. But EVEN I was a bit taken aback by the margin…
TaxPayer
December 28th, 2011
7:18 pm
Republicans should pass a law requiring all women to have ever taken a birth control pill to report to prison immediately.
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
7:18 pm
No sport? You’re slipping…
Is that a complaint?
First you complain about me being too predictable.
And now this.
You’re just being contrary, even if you are a Mississippian.
TGT
December 28th, 2011
7:19 pm
Not exactly the Catholic position Paul.
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
7:20 pm
Debbie, when someone makes the claim,”If it can’t “live” outside of the womb, then it is not a viable LIVING human being,” it is logically valid to conclude that if it can live outside the womb, it is a viable human being.
You forgot to add the part where i said THREE WEEK OLD FETUS — hmmmm I wonder why?
I was then making the leap that you would not be for killing “viable” humans, but perhaps I was wrong.
so if you are PRO life, that by its very definition means FOR LIFE, are you against the death penalty and war because you believe in the sanctity of ALL life? I’m making the leap that you would be for ALL life not just the life that is politically expedient to you, but pehaps I am wrong about your motivation(s) and the lives you care about are only the ones that are connected to the ones you wish to control.
My bad.
Adam
December 28th, 2011
7:21 pm
josef: I too was not surprised that it did not pass when I talked to people and when I looked at polls. But the margin definitely pleased me.
Paul
December 28th, 2011
7:21 pm
TGT
How is your position different, theological underpinnings aside?
As I understand it, abortion is not permitted, as no person has the moral right to end another’s life. This includes picking between two (unborn child or mother’s) in event of an illness or injury.
AmVet
December 28th, 2011
7:21 pm
Debbie, loving the dictionary cites.
josef, you don’t want me to tell you about my ten months of hell in Biloxi. LOL.
My Falcons are hanging tough in a shootout in the nation’s capital.
Off we go into the wild blue yonder,
Climbing high into the sun;
Here they come zooming to meet our thunder,
At ‘em boys, Give ‘er the gun! (Give ‘er the gun!)
Down we dive, spouting our flame from under,
Off with one helluva roar!
We live in fame or go down in flame. Hey!
Nothing’ll stop the U.S. Air Force!
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 28th, 2011
7:22 pm
I just learned something from a Jacksonville associate, and it really
makes all this discussion, well, really not necessary.
Looking at the map, there is NO scenario in which a Republican
can win a federal election without Flo-rida,
The democrats’ best friend Ricky Scott is busy being
the worst Fla governor evahhhh, and is at 25%
and dropping, particularly after turning down $millions$ in
healthcare funding, out of spite, even though Fla is the 3rd least
insured state and (obviously) has the most on meddycare.
He said “people are lining up everywhere now to register to vote the
tea potty scum out, and that Fla will be democratic for a generation.
So, we’re planning for ‘game over’, deal with Democrats at both
the federal & state level for a loooong time.”
I bought his lunch, and began looking at houses on Amelia Island.
Midori
December 28th, 2011
7:22 pm
Democrats unanimously favor killing babies in the womb, with no preconditions.
well this Democrat does.
ESPECIALLY in YOUR case.
Adam
December 28th, 2011
7:23 pm
DDR: I’m making the leap that you would be for ALL life not just the life that is politically expedient to you
Given the standard argument conservatives have that practically the only reason for abortion is because of convenience, I am VERY interested to see a response to this charge.
TaxPayer
December 28th, 2011
7:25 pm
Democrats unanimously favor killing babies in the womb, with no preconditions.
Well, if it’s good enough for God…
bman
December 28th, 2011
7:26 pm
Midori .. .. see? that was just mean.
Midori
December 28th, 2011
7:26 pm
good one, Taxie
Midori
December 28th, 2011
7:27 pm
no more meaner that the original post…….
josef
December 28th, 2011
7:28 pm
ADAM
Still, though, you could’ve picked up French in Picayune…il y a beaucoup de gens là qui le parlent comme la langue quotidienne. Tout ce que tu dois faire c’est les connaître!
getalife
December 28th, 2011
7:29 pm
AmVet,
Is it the military industrial complex bowl?
josef
December 28th, 2011
7:32 pm
K’chak
Your point!
ADAM
On key with you here…I would have been surprised (and pleased) by such a margin in just about any place in the country…
Paul
December 28th, 2011
7:32 pm
getalife
If AF gets down more than one touchdown and calls in an airstrike, you’ll have your answer.
Scrape'em All
December 28th, 2011
7:36 pm
even though Fla is the 3rd least
insured state and (obviously) has the most on meddycare
The 3rd least insured state (thanks to illegals) with the most on meddycare? You’ll be the next California if that’s true. Somebody’s gotta pay for all of that. I don’t think I’d be shopping for houses there unless I was in the 1%.
TGT
December 28th, 2011
7:39 pm
Paul (and Debbie), I reject the notion that “no person has the moral right to end another’s life.” I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life.
And Debbie, the statement I quoted does not rely upon the “three week old fetus” declaration.
AmVet
December 28th, 2011
7:41 pm
getalife, good one. (Brought to you by your friends at Northrup Grumman.)
USAFA did win the Commander in Chief trophy this year.
Air Force (18)
1982 1983
1985 1987
1989 1990
1991 1992
1994 1995
1997 1998
1999 2000
2001 2002
2010 2011 Navy (12)
1973 1975
1978 1979
1981 2003
2004 2005
2006 2007
2008 2009 Army (6)
1972 1977
1984 1986
1988 1996
Paul
December 28th, 2011
7:41 pm
TGT
That statement about moral authority was limited to the abortion discussion, not other situations like wars.
TaxPayer
December 28th, 2011
7:43 pm
I sure hope that those Republican doctors such as Paul Broun never wrote a prescription for birth control pills. That would be so wrong.
TaxPayer
December 28th, 2011
7:46 pm
Can the father ever be guilty of murder in the case of an abortion.
bman
December 28th, 2011
7:49 pm
Obama approval 44% Gallup. Don’t know if that matters….it seemed to matter a couple of days ago when it was surging at 47% in the same poll : )
Paul
December 28th, 2011
7:52 pm
Well, I think it’s neat the conservative wing in our country is all for bringing more babies into our country and is willing to spend all that money for schools and health care and nutrition support and social services and all the myriad other costs that kids can bring on society. That’s really putting their money where their mouth is and I commend them for that. Protect kids from the womb to adulthood. That’s great.
But gotta go see if AF is winning or if they’ve called in that airstrike, then I have to tune in to watching Texas redeem themselves. The football team can restore the state’s honor, ’cause our governor sure hasn’t.
Pleasant evening, all -
bman
December 28th, 2011
7:53 pm
“Can the father ever be guilty of murder in the case of an abortion.”
Probably. We’re guilty of everything else.
bman
December 28th, 2011
7:54 pm
Paul .. .. go support the 1% – just don’t complain about them later…
Curious Observer
December 28th, 2011
7:55 pm
“Just like Perry getting to count his years of active duty Air Force time towards his state pension.”
So the state of Texas honors a veteran’s service to our country this way. But lib ilk Paul hates that.
BTW, the federal government allows veterans of active military duty to count years of active service toward retirement under the civil service plan. And I’m OK with that. While non-veterans were climbing the ladder and getting a head start in the civilian work force, the veteran was enduring low pay and sometimes hazardous duty. It’s the least we can do. However, counting those active duty years is far from free. The employee must secure pay records for the years of active duty and pay the normal retirement plan contribution for the years of pay. If it’s not done quickly upon attainment of federal employment, the contribution becomes prohibitively expensive, since interest on the contribution due compounds.
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
7:56 pm
I reject the notion that “no person has the moral right to end another’s life.” I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life.
then you sir/madam are NOT pro-life; you are pro-rhetoric, and pro-politics.
If, as you say, you believe that “I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life” then by using your own litmus test, you must also be PRO ABORTION.
how did i come by that assumption? by your own words you called a fetus a “person” so if you feel that sometimes it is justifiable to end a “person’s” life, you must believe in abortion.
If this doesn’t make sense, then blame yourself. Your ideaology, your rules.
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
7:58 pm
sure hope that those Republican doctors such as Paul Broun never wrote a prescription for birth control pills. That would be so wrong.
Paul
December 28th, 2011
8:02 pm
bman
You mean those members of the 1% who pay no income taxes?
Paul
December 28th, 2011
8:03 pm
bman
Or are you one of those who wants to outlaw abortion, make way for more kids but then shirk your societal responsibilities? Like providing for schools?
bman
December 28th, 2011
8:06 pm
Paul .. .. yes, I mean that 1% and no I do not support banning abortion. Toss that net a little wider next time.
Paul
December 28th, 2011
8:08 pm
bman
Toss the net wider? When you lead off with “go support the 1% – just don’t complain about them later…” ?
Paul
December 28th, 2011
8:09 pm
bman
Implication being, it’s the 1% who’s going to pay to support all those kids.
Which is fallacious.
bman
December 28th, 2011
8:09 pm
Paul .. .. Ya. Watching all those football games and so-called “big events” on your cable network is pretty much supporting many of the 1%ers
TGT
December 28th, 2011
8:10 pm
If, as you say, you believe that “I certainly believe that there are instances when it is morally justifiable to end another person’s life” then by using your own litmus test, you must also be PRO ABORTION.
That is an asinine and ignorant statement. The “instances” where a murderer/rapist can be executed are VASTLY different from taking the life of a child in the womb. If you can’t see the difference, well then I guess that’s one reason why you’re a liberal.
AmVet
December 28th, 2011
8:11 pm
Awesome game. Air Force went for two and lost. Certainly not the same stage but it reminded me of Tom Osborne in the 1984 Orange Bowl.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkZqYVdcXx8
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
8:18 pm
That is an asinine and ignorant statement.
It’s a hell of a lot less asinine and ignorant than equating abortion to murder.
Just sayin’.
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
8:19 pm
That is an asinine and ignorant statement. The “instances” where a murderer/rapist can be executed are VASTLY different from taking the life of a child in the womb. If you can’t see the difference, well then I guess that’s one reason why you’re a liberal.
what i see is your dancing, tapping, and tripping around a standardization / test that YOU made up. You made up these rules,i just followed them. You made up the rules that:
a) If you don’t agree with me 100% you must be FOR ______ (fill in the blank)
b) If i say that 1+1+1=8 and that is the equation that i use to justify an argument than YOUR using that same equation should lead to the same result (but in your case it doesnt).
c) The only absolutes are the ones that i make — so all my absolutes must be correct.
I just used YOUR formula to use in the context of my argument. OF COURSE it doesn’t make sense……..BECAUSE your argument doesn’t make sense!!!! Comprende?
my pointing out an error in your equation did not equate to my being for or against ANYTHING. You are the one who made that assumption.
TGT
December 28th, 2011
8:22 pm
It’s a hell of a lot less asinine and ignorant than equating abortion to murder.
This from the person that concludes that because something is legal it must be moral.
So how would you answer my 6:02 Kamchak?
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
8:22 pm
that should have been your equation didn’t make sense.
At any rate, I’m out. I have a husband home for the holidays and it’s time we made merry.
Have a good evening ya’ll.
DebbieDoRight
December 28th, 2011
8:24 pm
This from the person that concludes that because something is legal it must be moral.
He never said that. I think I understand now what’s going on. Perhaps you have a reading comprehension problem……….
That would explain a lot…………………
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
8:26 pm
This from the person that concludes that because something is legal it must be moral.
Your conclusion sport, not mine.
I have said nothing about morality, only what is legal. I’m not gonna play “move the goalposts” with you
TGT
December 28th, 2011
8:26 pm
I didn’t make up any rules, and you are not following anything (that makes sense).
rooster
December 28th, 2011
8:28 pm
Really, Jay, only one of these candidates – Gingrich – is a “top” candidate, and he will be first runner-up at best. Romney will be the nominee, and will, I trust, choose as his running mate someone who is not currently a candidate.
Bill Orvis White
December 28th, 2011
8:30 pm
I worked very hard to get this much-needed personhood amendment passed with my local Right To Life chapter here in Hattiesburg. To say how much my heart sank when this common sense amendment was defeated, would be a complete understatement. I’m praying that we will bring this amendment to the table in all 50 states.
Now, God-willing, one of these highly-gifted, highly qualified candidates will be in the Oval Office come January 2013. I’m confident that any one of these honorable public servants WILL protect the innocent and put this once-free nation on a path to a respect for life and economic prosperity!
Amen,
Bill
Paul
December 28th, 2011
8:32 pm
AmVet
I admire the ‘going for broke’ gutsiness of AF.
Live in fame or go down in flame.
Yeah.
Now it’s on to the Texas – Iowa game.
Later -
TGT
December 28th, 2011
8:34 pm
You don’t want to play because you know that my point is valid. If the current (or a future) supreme court overturns Roe, and many states then make abortion as we know it today illegal, you’re okay with that?
Kamchak
December 28th, 2011
8:39 pm
You don’t want to play because you know that my point is valid.
You don’t have a point.
It is painfully obvious that you are trying to equate an emotionally charged word like “murder” to abortion.
Words have specific meanings, and “murder” is one of those that have specific legal meanings. Since abortion is a legal procedure, it cannot by definition, be murder.
TGT
December 28th, 2011
8:48 pm
Just because a word has a legal definition does not mean that it cannot be used outside of a legal context. The word “murder,” or its equivalent, was used long before U.S. law ever existed. Most modern biblical translations correctly state the 6th Commandment as “You shall not commit murder.”
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 28th, 2011
8:54 pm
Most modern biblical translations correctly state the 6th Commandment as “You shall not commit murder.”
What do the ones that “incorrectly” state it say and how exactly do you determine which is “correct”?
TGT
December 28th, 2011
9:02 pm
At least I’m not tossing around a made-up snarl word like “homophobe” (or celebrating a made-up holiday like Kwanzaa).
Soothsayer
December 28th, 2011
9:03 pm
Climate-change deniers and interested others might want to tune in to Channel 8.
Ron Burgundy
December 28th, 2011
9:07 pm
Lets focus on what really matters in America…unemplyment, running up debt, entitlemrntand tort reform. Abortion IMO is wrong if there is a heartbeat. If its still a bunch of cells forming then I say abort.
If you have been raped and are dumb enough to not get a pregnancy test inthe coming weeks then you need to call an adoption agency.
Here’s a thought….lets go upstream to stop this problem…if you are convicted of rape you get put down like ol yeller. Oh wait…thr same lintards wanting to kill heartbeats wants to protect criminals and terrorist.
Ron Burgundy
December 28th, 2011
9:10 pm
I amnot a climate change denier…just a climate change because I drive a Yuko denier.I mean ifthere wasnt climate change myhouse would be under a glacier.
Anyways…has no one ever wondered why Prius drivers are not outraged at China…if anyone was adding toxins to the air itsthrem. Heck thew pee i a river so much it turns yellow.
Ron Burgundy
December 28th, 2011
9:11 pm
A fetus with a heartbeat is a living human. Abortion at that stage is murder.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 28th, 2011
9:17 pm
When will the “life no matter what” people realize that the minute that they say that it is okay to kill some people under some conditions (death penalty, war or failure to provide a pregnant woman an abortion if her life is in immediate danger), then their high and mighty absolute demand for life is clearly evident to be “conditional”. If it is conditional, then its just a matter of where on the scale the line is but its not “absolute”.
TGT
December 28th, 2011
9:18 pm
Ron: The baby’s heart begins beating within four weeks of conception (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112), and the heart actually forms within three weeks of conception. This is several weeks before most women even realize that they are pregnant.
TGT
December 28th, 2011
9:19 pm
Here’s the link again: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-care/PR00112
Ron Burgundy
December 28th, 2011
9:21 pm
Okay so at what point would you suggest a cutoff TGT?
Ron Burgundy
December 28th, 2011
9:23 pm
If there is rape or immediate danger I say abort,but if your prochoice be pro choice early. As far as this topic its really minor in my mind compared to the damage being done recently by govt and yes that includes Bush the last 3 years, but it REALLY inludes thr current clown.
0311/1811
December 28th, 2011
9:30 pm
Arf ! Arf !
Headline ABC News: “Korean Dictator’s Final Ride Was In a Vintage Lincoln Continental”
http://news.yahoo.com/korean-dictators-final-ride-vintage-lincoln-continental-191101625.html
TGT
December 28th, 2011
9:42 pm
Conception Ron.
moonbat betty
December 28th, 2011
9:44 pm
Amvet 8:11. I remember that game – great call at the end.
Sorry they didn’t get that one.
Huskers have always had a great program.
moonbat betty
December 28th, 2011
9:46 pm
Jong’s son looks scary and like a little pampered little dough boy.
And he’s going to control their military/nuclear?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03TgkCVDlrA
Dusty
December 28th, 2011
9:46 pm
Well, gentlemen,
It is after nine o’clock and I hope all of you have decided what women should do about the lil’ ol’ preg problem. Please post results when your final decision is made.
IN the meatime, the ladies may decide the best way to end the preg problem is to fix MEN. I understand that it is a very simple procedure and very effective and your voice will not change into charming treble tones.
So line up first thing in the morning all you gents between 18 and 55 (or older if you are a dreamer) . Journalists may be allowed first in line as they deserve the honor.
THEN, let us next consider how to abort the 15 trillion dollar USA debt! THAT is a problem.
moonbat betty
December 28th, 2011
9:48 pm
No one is going to be “forced” to have a baby by rape or incest…
Ya’ll just plain crazy!!!
moonbat betty
December 28th, 2011
9:50 pm
Dusty – how about a cleaver?
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2011
10:10 pm
“No one is going to be “forced” to have a baby by rape or incest”
Absolutely correct…they would just be sentenced to jail for having an abortion.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 28th, 2011
10:15 pm
IN the meatime, the ladies may decide the best way to end the preg problem is to fix MEN. I understand that it is a very simple procedure and very effective and your voice will not change into charming treble tones.
Well, I might of knowed. Let’s stay on topic. I get the shivers every time I think of Sister Dusty with a knife in her hand. Let’s just let women do what we tell them to do and we won’t be having all this fussing. Ever since this Women’s Lib stuff we’ve had nothing but trouble. And I guess you know now what I decided not to give the missus a new knife set for Christmas.
0311/1811
December 28th, 2011
10:18 pm
Stories of people conceived by rape:
http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html
Albert Einstein’s parents were cousins:
“Albert Einstein was born in Ulm, in the Kingdom of Württemberg in the German Empire on 14 March 1879.[9] His father was Hermann Einstein, a salesman and engineer. His mother was Pauline Einstein (née Koch).”
He also married his cousin.
“Albert Einstein married Elsa Löwenthal (née Einstein) on 2 June 1919, after having had a relationship with her since 1912. She was his first cousin maternally and his second cousin paternally. In 1933, they emigrated permanently to the United States.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2011
10:25 pm
“Stories of people conceived by rape:”
I think you mean incest, not rape. And not all societies consider the marriage of cousins to be incest.
Doggone/GA
December 28th, 2011
10:33 pm
Oh, and by the way, Einstein’s second marriage is not proof of someone conceived from incest. He and his second wife had no children.
Tommy Maddox
December 28th, 2011
10:37 pm
Well let’s see: four of the top five committed themselves “to the cause of personhood” and the other apparently hinted at it.
On the flip-side, you have a candidate who is more interested in the sanctity of a tree rather than that of a nondescript mistake of protoplasm [don't worry - it's not human material] growing within a woman’s uterus.
I’m sorry but this vote is really a toss up.
md
December 28th, 2011
11:09 pm
As technology changes, so should definitions……..says the tiny little voice from within.
Viability is the key, as the “life form” is there regardless what folks want to call it. Still has yet to be any that end as as anything other than human.
Biff Clinton
December 28th, 2011
11:22 pm
If a drunk driver runs a red light and kills an unborn child he or she is charged with feticide a felony that will result in prison time if found guility. If a woman kills her own baby she just gets a doctor bill. Why the difference?
moonbat betty
December 28th, 2011
11:31 pm
Biff, because there was a choice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5a_4fBH_7dk
captguitarman
December 29th, 2011
2:27 am
Wow! I am reminded of a line from Leonard Cohen’s song, “The Future,” from the soundtrack of Natural Born Killers . . . “Kill another fetus now, we don’t like children any how . . . I’ve seen the future, and it’s murder.” Personally, I do think that aborition is a personal decision to be made by a woman AND the father – very gauche of me and more than a tad old fashioned, but that’s what I think. And the state (federal or local) should not interfere in it. But I also believe that it should a rare and painful decision based upon difficult and extreme circumstances, and a thoughtful process, much like executing the death penalty – which I also support. The Old Testament (written thousands of years ago) talks about how God knows who we are while in our mother’s womb, i.e. we are alive. The New Testament speaks of forgiveness, seven times seven. Admittedly, Caesar (the US government – and the governments established by men – who we are instructed to obey, as they have God given authority over us) cannot abide by either of these Judaeo-Christian tenets and maintain our civilization and law and order. So we tolerate the death penalty and we tolerate abortion. So please stop the hypocrisy. Both are the taking of human life. And the biggest hypocrisy is the out cry from the Left and the Dem/Libs – and their pitiful crying and weeping and moaning about “injustice” every time a vicious, murderous killer, after years of costly incarceration and legal appeals, finally gets his or her due – but who in the name of “reproductive rights” remain completely silent in the face of a holocaust of millions and millions of innocent destroyed babies/fetuses – many of whom who are murdered because they could survive outside the womb, but who get nary a whimper and no attention at all.