Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest

In November, 58 percent of voters in Mississippi rejected a so-called “personhood amendment,” which stated that human life begins at the moment of fertilization and gave human embryos all of the legal protections of a person. Destroying an embryo by any means would be considered murder.

The amendment would have outlawed abortion even in cases of rape and incest, as well as embryonic stem-cell research. According to personhood backers, it would also affect birth-control methods such as the morning-after pill, the IUD and even the standard birth-control pill, which works by preventing the fertilized embryo from attaching itself to the uterus. As a practical matter, its adoption would also halt in vitro fertilization to help childless couples.

Nonetheless, four of the top five candidates for the Republican nomination — Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry — last night publicly committed themselves to the cause of personhood and to the candidate pledge promoted by Personhood USA.

Mitt Romney has ducked the issue, arguing that human life begins at conception but concluding that such decisions should be made at the state rather than federal level. Jon Huntsman has said the personhood movement “goes too far.”

– Jay Bookman

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TGT

December 29th, 2011
10:09 am

If abortion is not murder because the fetus is not a person then why make it “safe, legal, and rare”?

In 1961, there were 210,000 abortions performed in America. Within seven years of Roe v. Wade, there were 1.2 million abortions in America. Have we succeeded in making abortions safe, legal and, rare?

hryder

December 29th, 2011
10:10 am

Only females are normally capable of birthing another human at the current time. Only the involved female with the possiblity of giving birth(pregnant) should have the individual right to determine what does or does not occur. Others can offer advice and opinion but only the personally involved pregnant female has the right to determine the course of her physical condition.

Peter

December 29th, 2011
10:20 am

Ron Burgundy . I do agree with what you mentioned in your writing, but I disagree that the President has not done some good stuff.

We all want the economy to be better, but the GOP got us here to start with. Also allot of folks are getting denied Health insurance, and allot of sick folks are getting reamed by the Health industry, all while the CEOs of these same companies are really getting Rich.

If the GOP paid attention to the needs of the citizens the way they do corporations, and a balance is met, then life in America would be much better for all.

md

December 29th, 2011
10:26 am

Gee Paul…….do I have to do it for you? I never took you for one that couldn’t read……smart ass at times, yes……unable to read, no.

9:02

deegee

December 29th, 2011
10:27 am

“Four top GOP candidates would ban abortion in rape, incest.”

No they wouldn’t. It’s just so many words wafting on the winds that carry the campaign from state to state. The words will twist in the winds many times on the way to NH, SC, FL, and so on.

Adam

December 29th, 2011
10:48 am

No one wants high crime, high taxes and war

Well, I wouldn’t say NO one, but it’s definitely a majority that do not want those things.

Trolls Bane

December 29th, 2011
10:55 am

Hmm … a cynical attempt at an issue tailor made to drive the conseratives into a frenzy and into the polls …

EV

December 29th, 2011
11:17 am

The fetus/child/bundle of cells/whatever you want to call it has its own DNA. You cannot claim that it is part of the female’s body. One’s arm has the same DNA has one’s leg, meaning that it is part of one body. The only instance where a human can have two strains of DNA is a chimera. Basically a twin that never formed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics)#Human_chimeras

While I’m against abortion, it should be decided at the state level as abortion is nowhere in the Constitution. A law along the lines of “in order to get an abortion, you must be a resident for a year.”

I could get into more depth, but I think this will do.

GT/MIT

December 29th, 2011
11:37 am

EV
December 29th, 2011
11:17 am

While I’m against abortion, it should be decided at the state level as abortion is nowhere in the Constitution. A law along the lines of “in order to get an abortion, you must be a resident for a year.”
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I agree with everything you wrote in your original post with the exception, “it should be decided at the state level”. Abortion issues as well as any other personal/medical decisions, should not be made by politicians at any level.

Paul

December 29th, 2011
11:51 am

md

You’re hanging your hat on not avoiding defining when childhood begins by referring me to an entry where you talk about ‘life forms’ and never mention child?

That’s weak, even for you.

Now that that’s still incomplete, care to refer me to your post where you clearly stated your position on whether or not any abortion should be legal?

Joseph

December 29th, 2011
11:56 am

Paul:

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that much of the US population is dumb. Hence they can be deceived into thinking Obama thinks and acts just like one of them. Do a little research and you certainly would know that’s simply not the case…. By the way. Obama only garnered 52% of the vote even though the so called main stream media was his leading cheerleader…..

Joseph

December 29th, 2011
12:01 pm

Paul:

Obama has amassed more debt and spending in three years than Bush did in 8. Sure his budgets have been close to Bush’s last one but that was because of the $800 billion dollar TARP package. Of course that’s almost all been paid back so those numbers are subtracted… Do some research! I’m tired of having to teach you lefty’s basic math….

GT/MIT

December 29th, 2011
12:08 pm

Peter
December 29th, 2011
9:26 am

Perhaps a GOP follower will answer this question I posed earlier……

If the GOP says no abortion to a 14 year old girl for getting raped walking home from school, who is protecting her ?
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I’m not a follower, as you put it, of the GOP, however I do find myself more inclined toward their ideology than that of the Democrats on many levels. I cannot give you a definitive answer to your question simply because not all Republicans are “right to lifers”. If you are attentive to the political climate today then you must know that the GOP is a rather diverse group.

This particular piece of legislation that Bookman is ranting about is a product of the Mississippi Legislature and is a dead issue even there. Another given in politics is that candidates of all parties, will back almost anything in which they see a vote. So I suppose that the real answer to your question is another question, who protects this 14 year old now?

Paul

December 29th, 2011
12:08 pm

Joseph

I return to one of my basic questions: return to January 2010. There are only a few basic economic principles Parties use in times of crisis.

What, specifically, would McCain/Republicans have done if they’d won to halt the deficits and bring unemployment to acceptable levels in two years?

So far, haven’t heard anyone tackle that. Just more ‘but…. Obama…”

Plenty of people bring complaints. Few bring solutions.

Michael Ejercito

December 29th, 2011
12:10 pm

The right to life is the right to not be killed, not the entitlement to obtain food, water, and shelter from someone else.

GT/MIT

December 29th, 2011
12:53 pm

Paul
December 29th, 2011
12:08 pm

I return to one of my basic questions: return to January 2010. There are only a few basic economic principles Parties use in times of crisis.

What, specifically, would McCain/Republicans have done if they’d won to halt the deficits and bring unemployment to acceptable levels in two years?

So far, haven’t heard anyone tackle that. Just more ‘but…. Obama…”

Plenty of people bring complaints. Few bring solutions.
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I believe the reason you’re not getting any answers is that you’re framing your question wrong. It is not what McCain/Republicans would have done, rather what wouldn’t they have done? That would be of course, they would not have raised the nation debt by just over five trillion dollars in just three years.

If George Bush was a fiscal failure, and he was, a five trillion dollar increase in eight years, then
Obama is a fiscal travesty, and he is. Since you are a man who seems to think that there are solutions lurking on this blog, it brings into question your understanding of the complexity of the problem.

Adam

December 29th, 2011
12:56 pm

The right to life is the right to not be killed, not the entitlement to obtain food, water, and shelter from someone else.

No government help for expecting mothers!

Adam

December 29th, 2011
1:14 pm

Either there should be no child tax credit, or the child tax credit should apply from the moment of conception. Am I right cons?

GT/MIT

December 29th, 2011
1:19 pm

Adam
December 29th, 2011
12:56 pm

No government help for expecting mothers!
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With the exception of pregnancy as a result of rape, just what do you see as the role of taxpayers in helping expectant Mothers? We as taxpayers are screwed by the government on a daily basis but fortunately it doesn’t usually result in pregnancy. Here again, you want everyone to be responsible for the actions of two people. I believe there are already free contraceptives available.

Liann

December 29th, 2011
1:47 pm

So, if a black pizzaman rapes a white job applicant, say slipping a date rape drug in her drink, then Republinuts think the white woman is obligated to carry her raper’s baby?

Where are the cheering section who said “let him die” if he doesn’t have healthcare insurance? Is that inconsistent to Terry Schiavo wanting to not be plugged into a machine in pseudolife for a decade?

The only thing that is CERTAIN, is Republinuts will ALWAYS pick whatever public policy causes the most pain and grief. They have no mercy. They have no kindness. They have no love, which means they have no Christianity.

GT/MIT

December 29th, 2011
1:47 pm

Adam
December 29th, 2011
1:14 pm

Either there should be no child tax credit, or the child tax credit should apply from the moment of conception. Am I right cons?
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Right on count 1, wrong on count 2. Once again my young friend, why should anyone be given credit for willingly participating in a sex act that produces a child? If you can’t afford the child, keep your britches on.

scrappy

December 29th, 2011
2:06 pm

“3: So if my kidneys, liver or heart is failing then I should be able to take these parts from another human because I have the undeniable right to make my correct decisions for my body?”

NO – your rights end where your body ends. This is a ridiculous statement made in a futile attempt to prove your point.

As I pointed out in the first post – I will make decisions for my body and you make decisions for yours – but do NOT attempt to make any for me or my body.

scrappy

December 29th, 2011
2:11 pm

““1 – refering to it as a “child” is wrong, when the pregnancy is first determined it is not a child, it is a fetus, or cells clinging together with no hope ability to survive on its own”

We disagree here and referring to it as a fetus is just a way for one to justify that it is not human and can be destroyed.

2: So again because a 14 year old has been ashamed and there individual right has been taken that is justification to give them a special right to kill another human being? If you want to give them a special right to kill then why not give them the right to take the life of the person that took their rights?”

This is not something that is just, oh well, I guess we agree to disagree. This is science and fact. Can a combination of cells live outside a uterus? NO. Should we start calling these cells people and giving them individual protections as afforded to other human beings? NO. They are not people or person, they have no rights, they do not exist.

Retired Vet

December 29th, 2011
7:14 pm

Gee, I didn’t know that Bernie Madoff lived in a pig stye prior to going to prison.

Retired Vet

December 29th, 2011
7:18 pm

Excue me while I generalize about the GOP. They generalize blacks. They generalize gays. They generalize Muslims. They generalize the poor. The generalize urban dwellers. It is safe to say that generalizing is their strongest suit.

Michael Ejercito

December 30th, 2011
4:48 pm

The right to speech is not an entitlement to have a government-funded printer.

The right to keep and bear arms is not an entitlement to have a government-funded rifle.

babytink

January 1st, 2012
2:16 am

That is so messed up. i wouldnt think they would pass that as a law. why cant a women get a abortion if they were raped and most special from incest. who wants to have a child to remind you of that or possible deformed from incest. these people need to think. thats why this country is going to hell and back