Newt stumbles, Obama surges and Ron Paul exposed
8:59 am December 27, 2011, by Jay
A handful of political developments to get us started in the last week of 2011:
Newt Gingrich — at this point a longtime resident of Virginia, not Georgia — has failed to qualify for the Republican ballot in his home state, which holds its primary on March 6. That’s important in purely practical terms, because Virginia is a big state with a lot of delegates, and because Gingrich was expected to do well there. Instead, only Mitt Romney and Ron Paul will appear on the ballot there, because they were the only ones to collect enough valid signatures.
The failure is also important as a symbol of the former speaker’s lack of discipline and competent leadership. He likes to talks a big game — he and his advisers have likened the ballot failure to the attack on Pearl Harbor — but grand rhetoric is no substitute for execution.
Gallup has confirmed what earlier polls have reported as well — President Obama is having a good holiday season. His job-approval rating of 47 percent is now higher than his disapproval rating of 45 percent. The test will come in trying to sustain that kind of support. Congress, in contrast, will end the year with an approval rating of 11 percent, which is really mind-boggling if you think about it. And what’s truly dismaying about that number is that it is so well-deserved.
With the Iowa caucuses exactly one week away, Ron Paul continues to do well in the polls. But with success comes greater scrutiny, and in Paul’s case it has focused on the contents of an “investment newsletter” that Paul produced and profited from back in the ’80s and ’90s. The publication — titled the “Ron Paul Investment Newsletter” or the “Ron Paul Survival Newsletter” — contains a series of racially biased attacks, whacked-out conspiracy theories and anti-gay rhetoric.
The newsletters were long been known, but have become more relevant as Paul attempts to break out of his cult-figure niche into the mainstream. Paul himself claims that he didn’t write the pieces published under his name, which a., I find difficult to believe and b., doesn’t matter even if it’s true. If you allow such pieces to be published under your name, for your own personal profit, they become your responsibility.
– Jay Bookman
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Welcome to the Occupation
December 27th, 2011
3:12 pm
What’s up, bloggers. Merry Christmas.
Smash — plutocratic — rule.
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
3:13 pm
silver platter?
what a hoot.
A dad
December 27th, 2011
3:17 pm
Thulsa – and let’s not forget my earlier example of (not so) Great (any more) Britain. And I think that Russia is in that group as well. My biggest fear,however, is that by continuing to borrow and borrow and borrow, Obama is going to cause the U.S. dollar to no longer be held the int’l reserve currency. The U.S. Dollar ain’t what it used to be, evidenced in no small part by it no longer being accepted in some foreigh countries. Heck, there’s a bank in Mexico, Mexico of all places, that no longer accepts deposits in U.S. dinero. Pretty soon my monopoly money will be worth more than the U.S. dollar, and all the dollar will be good for is, well, let’s just say the makers of Charmin might see their stocks drop….
stands for decibels
December 27th, 2011
3:17 pm
Erwin’s @ 3.11–As things stand, monthly employment numbers that have included encouraging trends for private employees, have been battered by state cutbacks throwing thousands out of work.
If we were to make an across the board 1% cut to federal spending–and yes, this dirty effing hippie peacenik is including Defense in this–yeah. I think that would render us pretty much FUBAR, economically.
Of course I can’t prove that it would happen, any more than the guys who continually assert that government “just has to get out of the way” would make a thousand flowers bloom.
stands for decibels
December 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
Obama is going to cause the U.S. dollar to no longer be held the int’l reserve currency.
snort. yeah, all by his lonesome! Backwards, in high heels!
A dad
December 27th, 2011
3:18 pm
Granny, in not being willing to do any independent research for yourself, well, hoot isn’t the word I’d choose.
stands for decibels
December 27th, 2011
3:19 pm
A little reality check for the ZOMG WE R IN A DEBT CRISIS! crowd.
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us/
A dad
December 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
SFD – his adminsitration’s policy is just to keep printing more money. And borrowing it. So while he inherited issues, his course of action is making this all the worse. Didn’t get your insult. My retort is never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it.
Kamchak
December 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
Granny, in not being willing to do any independent research for yourself…
Translation: I couldn’t back up what I posted earlier so I’ll play the “independent research” card.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 27th, 2011
3:21 pm
Obama is borrowing to pay for Bush’s $1.3 trillion annual deficit x 3 years (now)
I know – quit blaming Bush! But its not like its irrelevant.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 27th, 2011
3:22 pm
Actually, no one is “printing money” in the Obama administration.
We borrow money.
Thulsa Doom
December 27th, 2011
3:25 pm
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 27th, 2011
3:10 pm
Austrian theory failed in the Long Depression in the United States.
didn’t know about the Long Depression?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Depression
Boortz redneck,
Something tells me that you don’t understand what you are posting. Much of that wiki article confirms Friedman and others. And if you will go back and re-read the article you will understand that after the panic of 1873 hit it was govt monetarist policies which worsened things, along with govt protectionist policies, etc. Once again govt made things worse. And also please understand the difference between monetarists and the Milton Freedman school of economics.
Thank you for making my point for me although something tells me it was clearly not your intention.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 27th, 2011
3:27 pm
Jeez….. we are still on the “I made a point without providing actual evidence and you are too lazy and want it all on a platter if you don’t research my point”?
It does seem as if the righties are doomed to constantly repeating this kind of silliness……….. just doomed or then they go to “just kidding, it was a joke” silliness
Lord Help Us
December 27th, 2011
3:27 pm
‘his adminsitration’s policy is just to keep printing more money. And borrowing it.’
a dad…well, I am looking for the viable GOP candidate that will not print money or borrow. Can’t find him/her. Guess you are sol for at least another 4 years…
Thulsa Doom
December 27th, 2011
3:28 pm
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 27th, 2011
3:22 pm
Actually, no one is “printing money” in the Obama administration.
We borrow money.
Wrong again. Doomy out. Be back later to splain to you yet again the errors of your ways.
stands for decibels
December 27th, 2011
3:29 pm
SFD – his adminsitration’s policy is just to keep printing more money.
Well, it’s kind of hard to read past something that is so blatantly false on its face.
If this all-powerful Administration were really only to “just keep printing more money,” that’d mean we wouldn’t be taxing anyone at all.
Obviously, we are taking in revenue. Just as obviously, the moment we began printing currency, there were people saying it was worthless, as some do today.
If it’s so worthless, why does the world continue to invest in ten year t bills that return a measly 2 percent?
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
3:30 pm
A dad
and I should be surprised by your unhappiness in having me deny doing your bidding?
still a hoot -
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
3:31 pm
Keeps
They never cease to amaze me.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 27th, 2011
3:31 pm
Thulsa
Your reading comprehension is lacking.
“In 1874, a year after the 1873 crash, the United States Congress passed legislation called the Inflation Bill of 1874 designed to confront the issue of falling prices by injecting fresh greenbacks into the money supply.[36] Under pressure from business interests, President Grant vetoed the measure”
Grant went all Austrian and the Depression cranked on for six more years.
Nowhere does the article vindicate Austrians. In fact, Rothbard ties himself into knots in the article trying to save the little fairy dust of Austriansism.
stands for decibels
December 27th, 2011
3:32 pm
We borrow money.
…for next to nothing. Because, you see, we are the wealthiest, most powerful nation ever on earth, still, by a decent margin. And yet some seem to think we should curl up into a fetal position and give up on this whole “more perfect union” business.
anyway, I’m done floggin’ this dead horse. If ain’t nobody buyin’, I’m movin’ on until Jay’s got something new for us.
Erwin's cat
December 27th, 2011
3:34 pm
stands for dB,
what if the 1% cuts have no impact on employment…up or down, would you go for it then?
BigD
December 27th, 2011
3:37 pm
Obama’s numbers go up exponentially with the relative amount of morons created.
This is just sad,sad brain washing of the easily swayed.
bill arp
December 27th, 2011
3:38 pm
I’m starting to see a pattern on this blog, and in the media in general. As soon as any of the GOP candidates start to make a name for him/herself, the attacks come out of left field. Wonder why this never happened with B Obama? Oh, that’s right, he’s perfect. Forgot about that!
Kamchak
December 27th, 2011
3:39 pm
This is just sad,sad brain washing of the easily swayed.
“Easily swayed”?
Kind of like, “the smoking gun is the mushroom cloud”?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 27th, 2011
3:39 pm
This is just sad,sad brain washing of the easily swayed.
And yet the “easily swayed” Obama supporters are not at all “swayed” by the genius of the Republican contenders….collectively, individually or served with a side of spam.
TaxPayer
December 27th, 2011
3:40 pm
If it’s so worthless, why does the world continue to invest in ten year t bills that return a measly 2 percent?
Because it is the least most worthless and gold is the most bubbly.
Lord Help Us
December 27th, 2011
3:41 pm
BigDB, well, in Jan/Feb 2009 Obama was around 60-65% job approval. By your definition there must be fewer morons now than 3 years ago…
BigD
December 27th, 2011
3:41 pm
You past the litmus test….yep MORONS.
Kamchak
December 27th, 2011
3:42 pm
I’m starting to see a pattern on this blog, and in the media in general.
I’m starting to see a pattern also.
Someone “new” comes along and immediately blames the media
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
3:44 pm
Do sock puppets need voter ID?
Bruno
December 27th, 2011
3:44 pm
I’m starting to see a pattern on this blog, and in the media in general. As soon as any of the GOP candidates start to make a name for him/herself, the attacks come out of left field.
bill–Just ignore the fact that 90% of the press votes Democrat. It couldn’t possible influence their reporting in the least. Just ask them, and they’ll tell you so.
BigD
December 27th, 2011
3:46 pm
It’s the fact that he has ANYone to support him after this abysmal performance of laziness.
Take off the rose colored blinders and you will see a perfect example of “peter principle”.
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
3:48 pm
or Bill
you might consider that the 90% of the press that old what’s his name
claims vote democratic are just wiser than the two of you.
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck
December 27th, 2011
3:49 pm
Republicans live in a fact-free vacuum.
Its why Creationism is such a conservative rallying theme. They have to push their myths to keep the past alive.
Its also why the best capitalists are liberal. Reading a balance sheet is fact based.
carlosgvv
December 27th, 2011
3:53 pm
With all of these charges and counter-charges flying here for and against Obama, a fundamental fact about politics needs to be remembered – No Government is popular in economic hard times. Obama does not like these economic tough times any more than any of you but, obviously, there’s no quick and easy way out. And, I hope those here don’t honestly think Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Bachmann or Perry could do any better in restoring us to 4 or 5% unemployment.
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 27th, 2011
3:54 pm
Granny, here is the photo ID for the sockpuppets
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
3:56 pm
Keep
OMG…Voter ID Fraud! Shari’s dead!
stands for decibels
December 27th, 2011
3:59 pm
just have time for a drive-by, and since Erwin’s posed a reasonable question–
what if the 1% cuts have no impact on employment…up or down, would you go for it then?
You mean if I magically knew that 1% cuts would have *no* impact on employment? where “no impact” would mean that we’d merely add enough jobs per month to maintain the current percentages of unemployed?
hmm. Since I don’t consider the current state of affairs to be acceptable I guess the answer is no. I don’t think a 1% cut in spending would be worth maintaining an unacceptable level of unemployment.
But I think maybe I’m missing the spirit of your question. Obviously, if cutting back on spending were to have *positive* results for our economy I would embrace such measures. I do not believe that would be the result of 1% cuts each year.
Please understand–I don’t especially enjoy having the federal government being as powerful as it is; I don’t especially hate it, either. I’m pretty much neutral, and tend to look at how the rest of the world operates and what it provides to its citizenry through public and privately funded initiatives, and adjust my expectations accordingly—keeping in mind that (to repeat myself) we are the richest, most powerful nation ever on earth.
later, kids.
stands for decibels
December 27th, 2011
4:04 pm
oh, and Erwin, if we were at “full” employment, meaning 3-4% unemployment? then yeah, I’d think cutting back 1% per year would be fine, if it meant no overall job losses. repeating myself, I don’t see how that happens, it think it will trigger a spike in joblessness, but at “full” employment, we could pretty easily absorb those jobless folks, and not trigger a recession.
really gone now.
Adam
December 27th, 2011
4:07 pm
Just ignore the fact that 90% of the press votes Democrat. It couldn’t possible influence their reporting in the least.
Proof, please
A dad
December 27th, 2011
4:10 pm
granny and kamchak – your juvenile efforts are laughable. Like I said earlier, if I gave y’all the evidence you’d accuse me of picking and choosing, selective quotation, fudging facts and statements, etc., ergo, verifying the facts for yourself so you can’t accuse me of bias. Thulsa gave y’all a good example about Japan, which is similar. Wouldn’t take a lot of effort to verify, but as I can see, y’all are afraid you might find something which would contradict your espoused positions, which of course would be intolerable for you. I pity you. granny, if nothing else, you could do the research and maybe find something to contradict my assertions, but you can’t even go along that tack but instead take theinfantile “Can’t make me do this neiner neiner neiner.” You madame, are a true Southerner in all aspects of the word. Kamchak, whatever. Gee, having read Bookie’s blog for sometime and seeing how everyone attacks one another, I played by those rules and look what happened. Typical double standard.
SFD, we used to be the most powerful nation. That’s one of the problems. We’re not anymore but you refuse to realize/accept that. Anyway, everyone have a great election. I’m moving my assets offshore, and when the current administration crashes the economy, I’ll think of you (NOT!) while I’m whiling away the hours in leisure on a beach somewhere while you’re standing in a gov’t bread line.
TaxPayer
December 27th, 2011
4:12 pm
oh, and Erwin, if we were at “full” employment, meaning 3-4% unemployment?
Oh Noes! That can’t be so. We gots to get to 2.8% in order to make Paul Ryan’s yellowbrick roadmap work. Just ask the folks over at the Heritage Club.
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:15 pm
a dad
our juvenile attempts?
you couldn’t back up a car let alone an argument.
mr. silly pants
(Oh and this true southerner was born and raised in walking distance to
the friendly confines….)
you are just hootier and hootier.
suggestion. flip names again and start over.
too funny
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:16 pm
he’s gonna move his assets
i quiver
TaxPayer
December 27th, 2011
4:16 pm
You past the litmus test….yep MORONS.
Some folks need to be careful with that there finger pointing thingie. They might put their eye out.
Kamchak
December 27th, 2011
4:17 pm
granny and kamchak – your juvenile efforts are laughable.
That’s not the way it works here, sport.
You make a claim, you back it up.
Otherwise you’re subject to scorn and derisive laughter
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
St Simons - we're on Island time
December 27th, 2011
4:19 pm
Not a NBR -”Its also why the best capitalists are liberal.
Reading a balance sheet is fact based.”
and why US co. balance sheets perform better in Democratic admins.
(except for co’s that profit off the misery of others, now that’s the con
wheelhouse, right there)
josef
December 27th, 2011
4:20 pm
The lowest national unemployment rate on record in the United States is 2.5%, posted in May and June of 1953.
So, even in the best of times there’s that many either between jobs, goldbricking, or what have you. Shouldn’t that be taken into consideration when evaluating the “real” number of unemployed?
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:21 pm
I saw the chippendales move their assets about 10 years ago….
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:22 pm
Keep
Is it time for a group scoff?
A dad
December 27th, 2011
4:22 pm
Ohh Kamchak…. you’re such a bad@sssss. I’m so afraid. Noob.
Granny, you’re just nor worth it.
Kamchak
December 27th, 2011
4:23 pm
I saw the chippendales move their assets about 10 years ago….
Male strippers going Galt.
GT
December 27th, 2011
4:23 pm
I think it has been this way for a long time. There is some lag time in polling and reality. I cannot remember a stretch in American politics that has produced this kind of results. I think the speaker of the house have been thugs for a while, but none dared run for the presidential office because their character was such as Newt’s. There is no shame anymore, reality shows or whatever make all this possible. You can have absolutely no talent and be famous and make a lot of money.
td
December 27th, 2011
4:24 pm
Adam
December 27th, 2011
3:10 pm
Not a Neal Boortz Redneck: Well my view is that corporations should not be allowed to make unlimited donations if individuals are not allowed to do the same
They are not allowed too make unlimited donations to an individual candidate. They are treated the same as an individual or a union or an organization when it come to donating to PACS and can make unlimited donations.
A dad
December 27th, 2011
4:25 pm
But you know what’s really pathetic? I’ve been egging y’all on repeatedly and neither of you had the slightest clue. Just geting you both to respond like I was to you. I’ve been LMAO for several hours at how obtuse y’all are
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:28 pm
a dad
i imagine what you consider worthwhile would give me a chuckle.
you remain a hoot.
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:30 pm
he can spell obtuse!
josef
December 27th, 2011
4:30 pm
A dad
“You madame, are a true Southerner in all aspects of the word.”
Would that mean she’s polite, courteous, well-mannered, respectful of family and tradition, consistently writes the most impressive books in the English language, generates the widest range of music, cooks a range of world recognized cuisines, enjoys relaxing and passing the time with friends and neighbors…among other things…oh, yeah, and knows what a Sweet Potato Queen is!!
Kamchak
December 27th, 2011
4:31 pm
But you know what’s really pathetic?
Don’t care.
Your emotions are not my responsibility.
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:33 pm
josef
the veritable iron hand in velvet glove…..and a cubs sweatshirt.
Dusty
December 27th, 2011
4:34 pm
OK, everybody who has already posted 25 times in the last hour, PLEASE take a break. I have an important announcement. YES!
While writing at my desk this afternoon, I looked out into the back yard and there was a……COYOTE!! Yes, it was. Plumy tail, sharp nose and all. And I live within 285, not the wild wild west but here he was scouting out the back yard! Unfortunately I had neither slingshot nor shotgun to defend the premises. So he wandered off! Ahhhh safe at last! (But not the feral cats who stop by some times. I fear for them.)
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 27th, 2011
4:36 pm
oooooo a group scoff! So much better than a group hug especially with those Cain people….it just feels sooooo wrong.
TaxPayer
December 27th, 2011
4:37 pm
the veritable iron hand in velvet glove
For those times when a rolling pin simply will not do!
josef
December 27th, 2011
4:38 pm
DUSTY
So, they’re here! We’ve had them back home for a while…they’re not bad neighbors.
GG
He must be one of those people up in Madison County…bless his heart!
Logical Dude
December 27th, 2011
4:39 pm
Dusty:
(But not the feral cats who stop by some times.)
Yes, the coyote knows where to find some food. usually just one coyote isn’t as effective as a pack, but still, it’s right to worry.
A dad
December 27th, 2011
4:40 pm
Josef – deep fried and smothered is a range of world recognized cuisine? You need to get out more mate.
Kamchak – go back to watching the chippendales. I’m sure that’s where you’d rather be.
Granny glad I gave you a hoot or four. That’s what I’m here for.
Folks, it’s been entertaining, but has gotten really old. More fun if people know when they’re being made fun of in jest. Have at it another day.
Dusty
December 27th, 2011
4:40 pm
Ohhh JOSEF, didn’t know we had met. I love your definition of a true Southern lady. Could we meet for tea? My white gloves are clean and ready to go. You may call me Talulla if you wish.
Honey, you are the sweetest thing!!
Granny Godzilla
December 27th, 2011
4:41 pm
a dad
we know that’s what you are here for.
it’s obvious.
Jackie Goldberg
December 27th, 2011
4:42 pm
This former (D)emocrat is bailing on the fraud known as Obama. What a ride he took us on. What fools does he think we are.
I’m voting for the Peace candidate, Ron Paul. And I’m converting fellow Democrats daily.
Ron Paul=Real Change
Kamchak
December 27th, 2011
4:42 pm
Ah yes, the “declare victory while backing out the door” ploy.
Sounds familiar.
sjosephm
December 27th, 2011
4:47 pm
Granny Godzilla,
You realize all you’re doing is parroting the media when you accuse Paul of “running” from an interview and “printing” the newsletters? You clearly haven’t done any research of your own or would know that CNN editied that video of Paul to make it appear like he left the interview in a huff. Everyone except the ignorant, completely gullible, and those that are looking for something negative about Paul to believe in, know that Paul has never espoused any of these remarks in the 6 sentences of the thousands of newsletters. It’s sad, but not surprising at all, to see this laughable smear campaign working on people.
josef
December 27th, 2011
4:47 pm
A dad
Say what? Obviously you’ve never been to N’awlins, Charleston, Savannah, San Antonio…
Strange…everytime I’m abroad and they hear my accent, they want me to cook for them…an after dinner conversation about Welty, Williams, Faulkner, Wright and Grisham, some blues, jazz, gospel, R&B, country and western on the squawk box, and when I was younger, well that slow, Southern style…
josef
December 27th, 2011
4:50 pm
DUSTY
Why, ma’am, it’d be my honor and pleasure. Perhaps later we could stroll down by the levee and count the stars in your eyes under the moonlight?
Logical Dude
December 27th, 2011
4:50 pm
A dad: More fun if people know when they’re being made fun of in jest.
So, you actually are a troll?
JAY BOOKMAN
December 27th, 2011
4:51 pm
I am Jay Bookman, and I thinks blacks and jews are disgusting vile leeches. Both Granny Godzilla and I believe that homos should be shot.
I am making these statements in my name and therefore this must mean I have written them, and any attempt to disavow them by me in the future is meaningless because as long as they are written in my name, these statements will tarnish me forever just like Ron Paul. I don’t need any facts.
I’d also like to say that I hate arabs and think we should bomb them all and keep them detained. Praise Obama for continuing my glorious liberal crusade!!
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 27th, 2011
4:52 pm
umm… sjosephm…. I am sure that given your “in the know” status and that you represent “everyone except the ignorantc, completely gullible and those looking for something negative” that you can address intelligently with supporting links the prior statements of Ron Paul regarding his racist newsletters and address the inconsistencies…..right?
Here you go…… we’ll expect a cogent response. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/12/27/395391/fact-check-ron-paul-personally-defended-racist-newsletters
Dusty
December 27th, 2011
4:54 pm
Well, good gracious, I don’t even know what “a dad” is here for. OH, the mysteries of life! And Madame La Rosa de Teacup is not available. What to do?
Keep Up the Good Fight!
December 27th, 2011
4:54 pm
Fake Jay…. when you get the AJC to publish your “statements” as one of Jay’s articles, come back and tell us. You do understand the distinction right?
Jackie Goldberg
December 27th, 2011
4:57 pm
Here is the UnCut Cnn interview with Gloria Borger (who’s husband works as a lobbyist for the MIC) and Ron Paul.
Why didn’t they show the whole thing?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLonnC_ZWQ0
Logical Dude
December 27th, 2011
5:00 pm
Jackie: Why didn’t they show the whole thing?
Well, you know they must have had to edit it for time. Yeah, edit for time! That’s the ticket!
Dusty
December 27th, 2011
5:03 pm
Oh Josef, my heart is aflutter (but let’s skip the levee as I don’t swim). I have almost crushed my fan in pure delight! Grandma Sophie is delighted too. She always accompanies me when meeting a gentleman. As soon as she gets her teeth in, we will be along.
A dad
December 27th, 2011
5:03 pm
Josef – will respond to you since you’re responding in kind. Yes, I’ve been to Naw’lens, Savannah and San Antonio (although I characterize the latter as Western, not Southern, as would the folks I knew in San Antonio). I’ve also lived in Seattle, NYC, SF, Miami and Pittsburgh as well as England, Iceland, Germany, Japan, and a very brief sojurn in Taiwan, so I’d like to think I have a fairly wide background of experience on which to base my comments and baits.
My “dig” was just another attempt to bait certain folks who, as I see after that post, can’t hep themselves but to keep on posting and posting, I guess to try and get the last word. Not my proudest day, but having read this blog for a while, it’s what I’ve come (sadly) to expect from folks on this and Wingfield’s blog so I decided for the first time to engage in same and see where it led. Needless to say I wasn’t (but really was) disappointed. Lots of bs and nonsense back and forth. Simply stated, just tired of seeing a lot of regurgitating news stories, etc., and was hoping to get people to start looking around for themselves. The fact that didn’t happen proves my point (at least in my mind), i.e., we are hosed as a country.
Logical, have seen you on this blog before, so don’t tell me you haven’t seen the sort of idiotic back and forth I was dictating. No, am not a troll. More like an uruk-hai….
Tomorrow’s another day. Maybe Obama will gain another percentage point of approval (for now) so Bookie can write how November will be a landslide. Now play nice everyone….
Dusty
December 27th, 2011
5:06 pm
What? We have a fake Jay Bookman here? Isn’t one more than enough? Mercy, please!
Logical Dude
December 27th, 2011
5:06 pm
A dad: Logical, have seen you on this blog before, so don’t tell me you haven’t seen the sort of idiotic back and forth I was dictating.
Oh, I have seen plenty of it. It was more of a comment on someone coming on the blog and trying to stir things up rather than actually engage in useful discussion.
Uruk-hai may be a better fit for you, yes.
josef
December 27th, 2011
5:09 pm
Tallula aka Dusty
Why, of course Miz Sophie should accompany us. I wouldn’t think of our first meeting going unchaperoned. Will she be making her etoufee? Ask her which wine I should bring.
Dusty
December 27th, 2011
5:13 pm
Hey, I got some Sunset HAIKU perfume for Christmas. Is that the same as Uruk-hai?
I like mine and it is one sweet smell!.
Redneck Convert (R--and proud of it)
December 27th, 2011
5:13 pm
Well, another day, another dollar. I’ll just jump in here and say us Republicans can’t see a way out of this mess without making about 40% of the people in this country dirt-poor. That’s the way us Middle Class people and the 1% can stay that way. Let these leeches get out on the street & beg for a living. I say we put the old geezers back to work and put Those People and the Welfare Moms in poor houses. I know we borrowed and spent the geezers SS money, but it’s gone now and we can’t get it back. So we need to Welch on our debt and cut the heck out of the budget. The commies got the bomb so they need to be paid. All the geezers got is maybe a wheelchair and a cane. We can take those away from them soon enough.
Have a good night everybody.
josef
December 27th, 2011
5:16 pm
a dad
My San Antonio folks would disagree…strongly! Though they will tell you they are Texians first. I will avoid my own curriculum vitae of places been and things I’ve done…modesty being a Southern virtue (heh, heh, even I wouldn’t go that far!). But I’ve been to and spent time in all those places you mention save Taiwan and Japan, plus a few others. Which is to say, you don’t want to go uppity with me!
AmVet
December 27th, 2011
5:16 pm
I don’t think Ron Paul is particularly bigoted or racist.
Gawd knows he doesn’t hold a candle to the current governor of Georgia…
A dad
December 27th, 2011
5:17 pm
Logical – my efforts were my attempt to demonstrate how ludicrous discussion has gotten. A lot of what is on these blogs is nothing more than stirring things up. I for one began reading these blogs, naively perhaps, in the hope of being expoused to deffernt point of view, pointed to articles and links, etc. dealing with honest facts and not just regurgitated hype, but have for the most part been disappointed. The good hthing is, from now on, I won’t stoop anymore. I’ll do my best to include citations, back up statements etc. with real facts, and try to encourage what I began reading blogs for. Honest discourse is best. It’s how we learn, grow, survive. Perhaps I have raised myself above uruk-hai. Later LD..
Logical Dude
December 27th, 2011
5:21 pm
A dad, yep, it’s good to get a feel for the blog. Most of us who are middle of the road find it amusing how each side can be so blinded by their side that they can’t see the middle, or see the middle as “not as extreme, but still out there” compared to whichever side they are on.
josef
December 27th, 2011
5:21 pm
ZamVet
Oy! We’ve now reached the point of who’s the “less” racist and bigoted…
Dusty
December 27th, 2011
5:23 pm
Ah Josef, kind gentleman,
Miz Sophie sends her sincerest apology but she has no etoufee at the moment. Only hog jowl which would hardly suffice the taste of a culinary genius such as yourself..
We do hope you will not be offended in any way at our inability to please. Would you mind bringing that vino of the Gods, Manischevitz (the big bottle)?. That too makes my heart aflutter!
AmVet
December 27th, 2011
5:24 pm
Of course, josef.
Unless you really do contend that none of us are.
Or is it only Abraham Lincoln who matters? (grin)
Common Sense isn't very Common
December 27th, 2011
5:25 pm
The rest that are running make Paul and Romney almost normal
Steve - USA
December 27th, 2011
5:25 pm
A dad,
You were right the first time. They don’t want discourse, they want to tell their little jokes and then pat themselves on the back. I suspect some of them work for the same man.
I will make this request one more time. Jay – please post a list of posters by name along with their IP address and how many times they have posted in the last 100 days.
josef
December 27th, 2011
5:29 pm
DUSTY
Speaking of hawg jowl…got yours yet for Sunday? Neighborhood Publix has finally caught on. Got a half a bag of black eyed peas left over from Rosh Hoshana. There were some nice looking mustard greens at the store. Gotta get the stuff together to make the crepes…no Mansischewitz! Either a Bikaver or our traditional Chateau Cadillac…a jug of Pissonya for New Year’s Eve….
Jay
December 27th, 2011
5:30 pm
Steve, I will never post IP addresses of posters here.
And with rare exceptions, no regular poster here posts under any name except his or her own. Even the rare exceptions do it only to assume some other persona, as in Redneck Convert. Sorry to disappoint.
Bryan Black
December 27th, 2011
5:30 pm
Ron Paul is not coming to Mainstream. Americans are running to Ron Paul! He is the only candidate with principle and a sound economic plan. The Federal Government is now ‘To Big to Fail’ and Americans need to take it down. Return the power back to the states. Get the power away from the crony capitalist in Washington. Support our troops. Bring them home! Vote Ron Paul!
granny godzilla
December 27th, 2011
5:31 pm
a dad
oh you weren’t completely unable to back up your data…you was just funnin’ me?
well, now we know you can’t back up your diatribes or successfully deliver a punch line.
it’s never too late for vo-tech.
all snarc aside, i’ll pay special attention to your efforts to provide data.